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Is it worth having a "future non-conference opponents" section in the football articles? We have users who add to them, but no one ever goes and updates the boxes. I just edited one that still had 2017 in it, and I have found others (just a few) that still had 2016 and before on them. The other problem is that these sections also violate WP:OVERLINK... there are some that overkill on linking the same article. Thoughts? Corky 02:26, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
I have nominated Category:Loyola Marymount Lions football and two subcategories for renaming. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 21:21, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Hey, I've tried adding a rankings table to 2000 Oklahoma Sooners football team and whenever I try to cut off the end of the rankings table it still has some sort of error message. How can this be remedied. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:21, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
poll1firstweek
and poll2firstweek
to zero instead of having them blank, seemed to fix it.
This is User:Cbl62. I have opened this alt account for temporary use due to log in problems. For more than a decade, I used the same simple password for my account. However, earlier this year, I received notices regarding attempts to hack my account, leading me to create a far more complex password. Unfortunately, that password was sufficiently complex that I am now unable to recall what it was. I am seeking input on how to reset my password. Any assistance in this regard would be appreciated. Also, if anyone here is familiar with the processes at Articles for Creation, assistance would be appreciated in moving the following out of Draft space: Draft:1935 Saint Mary's Gaels football team, Draft:1937 Saint Mary's Gaels football team, Draft:1940 Saint Mary's Gaels football team, Draft:1941 Saint Mary's Gaels football team, Draft:1942 Saint Mary's Gaels football team, Draft:1943 Saint Mary's Gaels football team. SonofCbl ( talk) 10:57, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Arkansas–Texas Tech football rivalry was recently created by User:CalebHughes. Is this a legit rivalry? I'm thinking no. Seems more like just two teams that played in the same conference for about 35 years. Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Hello all,
I have nominated Houston-Texas football rivalry for deletion. I am open to reconsidering the nomination if legitimate, significant coverage that satisfies WP:GNG, however, I have been unable to find anything. Please share your thoughts on the matter on the deletion page or add sources that satisfy GNG. Thanks! CalebHughes ( talk) 19:54, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
We have standings templates for independent football teams going back to the inception of college football in 1869; see Category:NCAA Division I FBS independents football records templates. Many of these templates were created by User:UW Dawgs. The problem is that before 1956 the NCAA had no divisions, so the pool of independent teams playing in the one, singular level of college football was very large. Most of the templates prior to 1956 are very incomplete, but Template:1893 college football independents records already has 91 teams listed and is clearly missing many, many independent teams. Is there any practical way of subdividing these independent teams, perhaps by region, to make these templates more manageable? Or should we simply delete them? Jweiss11 ( talk) 04:30, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Hello, I can somebody please tell me how to find a source with Chuck Fairbanks' date of birth Since an article which I linked to the coach's article from The Oklahoman that lists' his Date of birth as June 10 keeps being reverted on the June 10 page. I am being accused of edit warring when I am actually producing sources with two editors claiming that I didn't. @ Cbl62: you're great at digging up sources. Thoughts please?- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 17:20, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Jweiss11: Sorry you got tangeled into this mess. I noticed that Fairbank's article didn't have a source for DOB, so I added it. I subsequently added Fairbanks (not the coach and source) to June 10. Then Todd reverted my edit on Fairbanks' page here saying it wasn't verified. Reading the article his DOB was in the article, and I thought June 10, was grouped with that. So, I was under the impression that if Fairbanks' article had a properly sourced DOB (it now does) that it should be okay to add it in June 10. If he just would have told me directly, "Hey let me look at that source, okay there it is, if you would also cite the source ON June 10 page as well (which by the way only Kate Upton is sourced)," instead of some slapped on non-discussion inducing warning like I'm some random IP making stuff up. (And I wasn't) I would have gone along with it. That is what I appreciate about our discussions on WT:CFB, we discuss and try to inform people as to why we edit the way we do, not that it doesn't get heated sometimes, but at least we know where the other persons stands and more importantly Why! I was under the impression they were throwing out both without verifying.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:52, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
I have nominated Category:Foster Farms Bowl for renaming to Category:San Francisco Bowl. The discussion can be found here. Thanks, PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 12:27, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
After reading the page, he does not seem to be notable enough to merit an article. It appears he played at Georgetown for and then graduated, no awards or subsequent professional or coaching career. Not entirely sure how to propose an article for deletion so looking for help/advice. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 21:22, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
So I just had my first experience dealing with the unnamed parameters version of the CFB Schedule template, and... wow. That cannot be considered acceptable. The maze of pipes that results from not using named parameters is completely un-intuitive and difficult to work with. In order to add the rank column, I had to literally count out the number of pipes until I got to where the rank column is located, add the rank, and then add another pipe to every single other row in the table, and finally add the |rank=y parameter to the top. If you do anything wrong, you are greeted with no table at all and an error message that elucidates nothing at all about where the problem is. This template was clearly not built with anyone in mind but the select couple of users that designed it.
I do like the new template when it is used with Template:CFB schedule entry and named parameters, because of the ease of adding and removing columns. But when used with unnamed parameters, that benefit is erased and usability-breaking problems are introduced. In my opinion, this mess needs to be deprecated and replaced with the Template:CFB schedule entry in all cases. Ostealthy ( talk) 17:29, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
the positioning of the parenthetical can be detected by the module and could be autocorrected by the module, otherwise we wouldn't be able to generate Category:Pages using CFB schedule with rivalry after opponent and Category:Pages using CFB schedule with gamename after location automatically. the use of unnamed parameters does not prevent these parenthetical links from being moved automatically by the module. I can implement anything that there is consensus to implement, but I have not seen consensus yet concerning where these parenthetical links should be placed. Frietjes ( talk) 16:18, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Frietjes, I indeed missed your response regarding the conversation process ("I may be able to find some time to fix problems with the table conversion module over the next several days, but I may be busy with other things."). Sorry about that. We need to address this sooner than later, as it is holding up the long-overdue conversion and deprecation of the old templates. If you can't get to this soon, is there another qualified editor you can recommend who might be able to look into that?
"uses of the old template system had the rivalry link after the opponent in may cases". Really? I've never seen this and I've edited thousands of these tables. Can you show me an example?
"WYSIWYG" doesn't seem to be a very good justification here. If "lack of astonishment" was the intent, well it's not working, because it's produced astonishing inconsistency. All of my questions and efforts here are intended to focus of what we can do now and in the future. I'm trying to understand exactly what was done and why to this point and so that we can rectify the problems we have right now.
"The module could automatically move them to a particular location". Can you execute this and move the links to the site field? If not, is there another qualified editor you can recommend who might be able to look into that?
Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 18:05, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
an editor 73.197.56.240 changed many pages from Elapsed time to point spread......any help reverting would be appreciated..... Pvmoutside ( talk) 14:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
A new AfD raises the question as to whether (i) a college football player must satisfy WP:NCOLLATH or WP:NGRIDIRON; or (ii) it is sufficient that the player pass WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple, reliable sources. If you have views on this, one way or the other, please feel free to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diocemy Saint Juste. Cbl62 ( talk) 19:39, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
We don't typically have categories for regular season games right?- see Category:Patriot Bowl champion seasons.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 18:16, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
There is a merge discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 September 17#Template:United Football League (2009) team that editors may be interested in discussing. FYI it regards merging Template:Infobox NFL team and others into Template:Infobox American football team. At the rate its going, "I think we need to identify the ultimate 'parent' template and see if there are any other templates that fit with this merge." it could impact Template:Infobox NCAA football school down the line. Thoughts are appreciated.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:38, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
This idea probably flies in the face of Wikipolicy, but I'll throw it out there... There was some silly partisan IP vandalism on the Florida–Tennessee football rivalry article last week, so I requested semi-protection, and an admin semi-locked it down from Friday until Monday. Rivalry games usually bring out a flurry of IP vandals putting in crazy scores and who "owns" who - you've all seen it. But because of the protection, there was none of that on the UF-UT article. A couple of regular editors (including myself) updated the record and scores, etc., with no repeated reverting necessary. Perhaps it might be a good idea to semi-protect rivalry articles during the weekend of the game as a matter of course? IP users would be free to contribute at other times, but the overwhelming majority of anonymous edits on game weeks are straight up vandalism. Just a thought. Zeng8r ( talk) 14:40, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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I noticed that there are pages for both of Equanimeous St. Brown's brothers, Osiris and Amon-Ra St. Brown both of whom are currently freshman at their respective universities. While both may very well have successful college careers, these articles may be a case of WP:TOOSOON given they have no serious college honors nor a professional career yet. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 15:48, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
User:UW Dawgs and I have a disagreement at Template:USC Trojans football navbox which potentially affect many others navboxes of the kind. User:Corkythehornetfan has become involved in the dispute as as well. UW Dawgs made a recent edit to the USC navbox in which he bolded every USC season mentioned at College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS, which includes seasons like 2007 USC Trojans football team, where USC won a obscure national title from the Dunkel System. I'm quite confident that we reached a consensus here some years ago to only recognize "major" national titles in these team navboxes. The NCAA record books recognize four "major" selectors for national titles since 1950: the AP Poll, the Coaches Poll, the Football Writers Association of America (FWAA), and the National Football Foundation (NFF). I believe our consensuses was also to recognize only national titles that the school in question claims for years prior to 1950. It's probably a good time to reaffirm or modify this consensus and, perhaps, expand its scope to formalize how we recognize national titles in other standardized structures like infoboxes and record tables. Thoughts? Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:54, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
MOS discussion: On the related subject of bolding navbox links in general (not CFB specific), I've started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting#Bolding_navbox_links.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:48, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Currently in an edit war with an IP user on the Utah State Aggies football page over rivalries. They are stating 2 named rivalries with Boise State and Air Force that don't exist and can't provide proof. And every time I remove the info and ask for a source they just keep saying the "name is pending" and that I'm vandalizing. I don't want to get blocked from an edit war. Can anyone back me up on the Talk:Utah State Aggies football page? Bsuorangecrush ( talk) 00:27, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Mountain States Conference#Renaming "MSC" football standings templates and football season categories and weigh in with any thoughts you may have. Cbl62 ( talk) 15:38, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
I originally proposed the article for Zach Vraa, a former wide receiver for North Dakota State, for deletion on the grounds that he doesn't meet the standards of WP:CFBNOTE but someone removed the tag. As you can see from his page he garnered no individual collegiate awards nor ever signed with a professional team after graduation and therefore certainly doesn't meet WP:CFBNOTE and there is no notable national coverage about Vraa as an individual. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 18:13, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Best, GPL93 ( talk) 23:34, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Template talk:Infobox college coach#Use of the “sport” field Rikster2 ( talk) 21:47, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Ben LeCompte was a punter for North Dakota State who had a short stint with the Chicago Bears on their practice squad after graduation and has not appeared on a roster since. I don't believe his achievements meet standards of WP:CFBNOTE or WP:NGRIDIRON and I don't think he has gained significant enough non-local coverage to pass WP:GNG. The article was previously nominated in 2016, when he was still with the Bears practice squad. GPL93 ( talk) 14:58, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
What are the chances that a third-team All-American tackle from the 1920s, who doesn't appeared to have played pro, will ever be anything more than a stub? Is he notable enough for an article? Per guideline
WP:WHYN: If only a few sentences could be written and supported by sources about the subject, that subject does not qualify for a separate page, but should instead be merged into an article about a larger topic or relevant list.
The main reason I ask is that
Jim Taylor (American football) should be moved to
Jim Taylor (running back) per
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople) if the tackle is going to stay.—
Bagumba (
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11:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
The 2018 Nebraska Cornhuskers football team page has links in the score of the schedule tables that link to the ESPN box score. To my knowledge it is the only one that I've seen with this. Is this something that should be copied on all 130 FBS and 100+ FCS pages, or eliminated?- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 03:05, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
"Source" is not included in the documentation for them and I get an error when I try to add that parameter to transcluded templates. @ Frietjes: could you please add a source parameter to {{ CFB Schedule Start}} and {{ CFB Schedule Entry}}, similar to what was done with {{ CFB schedule}}? (Or if it's already there, can you explain what I'm doing wrong?) Hoof Hearted ( talk) 17:23, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
If the college football independents standings templates are going to be kept, they should at least be fixed to remove the "Conf" record column. See, e.g., Template:1898 college football independents records. This column is empty in each case because we are showing the records of "independents". It serve no useful purpose and simply renders a template that is wider than it needs to be, in many cases forcing schedule templates to shift downward, leaving empty space. Can someone with the requisite technical skill remove the "Conf" record column? Cbl62 ( talk) 19:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
What is our policy on ranking order within conference templates? I've changed the Big Ten standings table a couple of times to match the order shown at BigTen.org (as it pertains to conference record ties). Yet, I must admit that ESPN and Fox Sports show different orders. I consider the conference website to trump all others, but is that right? Hoof Hearted ( talk) 13:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Template:Milton Wildcats football coach navbox has been nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 17:09, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
I was looking at some CFB season lists and noticed some use the {{ CFB Yearly Record Start}} templates and others use coded tables. Are we trying to unify on one layout? Which one? Unfortunately, the project guideline describes using the coded table, but also says (at the top) lists should look like List of Texas Tech Red Raiders football seasons, which currently uses templates.
Templates ( Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan)
Coded tables ( Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State)
It looks like @ Comedian1018 changed serveral coded tables to templates in October 2013. Is that the way we want to go? Hoof Hearted ( talk) 17:35, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
It may be worth pointing out that the {{ CFB Yearly Record Start}} template family still has a fair amount of customization built in, including suppression of conference columns for independent schools, the optional use of sub-headings and sub-totals, and optional wikilinking for school, conference, and college football season articles. In fact, there's enough variation in the way these templates are used I wonder if we could give better guidance to help standardize their appearance. By no means is this a complete list, but I categorized 15 powerhouse football programs below that use the templates.
Team | Subheadings for | Name parameter | School season link piped under |
CFB season link piped under |
Conference season link piped under |
Subtotals |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Colorado | Conference (linked) | Coach (first one linked) | Year | none | none | none |
Florida | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | Conference record | none |
Florida State | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | none | none |
Georgia | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Team | Team (name parameter) | Year | none | Coach: overall and conference record |
Miami | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | none | none |
Michigan | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | Conference record | none |
Michigan State | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | Conference record | Coach: overall record (%) and conference record (%) |
Notre Dame | none | Coach (first one linked) | Year | none | none (Independent) | none |
Oregon | Conference (linked) | Coach (first one linked) | Overall record | Year | none | none |
Stanford | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Year | none | none | Coach: overall and conference record |
TCU | Conference (unlinked) | Coach (first one linked) | Overall record | none | none | none |
Texas | Conference (linked) | Coach (first one linked) | Overall record | none | Year | none |
Texas A&M | Conference (linked) | Coach (first one linked) | Overall record | none | none | none |
USC | Conference (linked) | Coach (first one linked) | Year, switches to overall record in 2010 | none | Year beginning in 2010 | none |
Wisconsin | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | Conference record | none |
MOST COMMON | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | none | none |
Hoof Hearted ( talk) 20:35, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Anyone out there know why the Ole Miss and Tulane rivalries are not showing up in the appropriate places? They are listed on the edit page... Pvmoutside ( talk) 16:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
) for the stadium.
Hoof Hearted (
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17:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
) worked...thanks....
Pvmoutside (
talk)
18:31, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
is no longer required.
Hoof Hearted (
talk)
19:54, 31 October 2018 (UTC)We recently fixed some of the confusion over the naming/usage of Skyline Conference (1938-1962), and I'd now like to do the same for the Rocky Mountain Conference. There is considerable variation in how this conference is referenced in articles, templates, and categories -- sometimes as the Rocky Mountain Conference, other times as the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference, and other times still as the Rocky Mountain Faculty Athletic Conference. My research, based on hits at Newspapers.com, shows overwhelmingly that the common usage from at least 1914 to 1963 (I didn't go beyond 1963, as the conference became less notable in later years) was "Rocky Mountain Conference". In a post on October 16, I proposed renaming articles and templates in accordance with this common usage, but have received no feedback. If you have an opinion, please post at: Talk:Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference#Renaming RMAC/RMFAC ---> RMC. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:50, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Previously discussed here - Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football/Archive_19#Michigan_State–Ohio_State_football_rivalry - and kind of inconclusive. Some recent editing at Ohio State Buckeyes football caused me to revisit the page and I'm still skeptical that this qualifies. I intend to PROD it unless someone here has some other thoughts. JohnInDC ( talk) 15:40, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Having resolved a couple other conference naming anomalies, there's one more to tackle. Please see Talk:Border Intercollegiate Athletic Association. Cbl62 ( talk) 01:39, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Aaron Hernandez#Update. A permalink for it is here. The discussion concerns Hernandez's sexuality and how much detail to include on it, and WP:In-text attribution. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 03:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. -- Izno Repeat ( talk) 21:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I submitted a bot request 10 days ago to do the conversions to the new schedule templates; see Wikipedia:Bot requests#College football schedule conversions. No one there has yet responded. Perhaps if others here would chime in over there, it would draw some attention. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 02:58, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
So, I just ran across this article today. It appears to have had edit-warring issues going on in the past, and it looks like some POV issues still remain. I'd say the entire article is in need of an overhaul/rewrite. Just putting it out there to try to get some eyeballs on the article. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 22:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
I cannot find the appropriate delsort, so notifying the project of an AfD of possible interest that I've listed: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marquis Wright. I'm not watching this page, so please ping me if you reply. StarM 03:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Lucien Abraham, a newly created article for a college football head coach had been nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucien Abraham. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 18:17, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Just a heads up. One SPA is trying to change the record of the Big Game (American football) series. Yes I know that Stanford "disputes" the result of the game but I think we need eyes on it. As just more rivalry vandalism. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 15:59, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
There are two templates for merging that some editors may be interested in:
The first is Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_November_25#Template:Infobox_IAAUS_football_season which primarily uses a template for college football seasons from 1905-9. The second is Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_November_25#Template:Infobox_college_swim_team where one editor stated "Not really redundant, so a merger will need to be done; and the swim team template really does not seem a good merge target. There's the whole "Titles" section of the college swim team infobox that needs merger + the whole colors thing which is specific to US college teams. Merging all the NCAA sport templates seems a far better idea." (emphasis mine) I think it would be a good idea if we have a few editors comment in these discussions.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 23:25, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Dave Long (American football, born 1944) was stable at Dave Long (American football) for over 10 years. While trying to figure out how to address the creation of David Long Jr. and David Long (American football), I moved the page. In less than an hour, I tried to move it back. I may have been unclear at WP:AN. I now have a new request in at Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests#Uncontroversial_technical_requests. Feel free to weigh in as is appropriate.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:28, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Coaching trees: encyclopedic or trivial? Please join the discussion at Talk:Ryan Day (American football)#Coaching tree. Hoof Hearted ( talk) 18:47, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Anybody want to create 2018 College Football All-America Team.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:20, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Should we include the annual All-conference teams on the annual templates. I.e., should {{
2017 NCAA Division I FBS football season navbox}}
and/or {{
2017 NCAA Division I FBS College Football Consensus All-Americans}}
have links for
2017 All-ACC football team,
2017 All-SEC football team,
2017 All-Big Ten Conference football team,
2017 All-Big 12 Conference football team, and
2017 All-Pac-12 Conference football team.--
TonyTheTiger (
T /
C /
WP:FOUR /
WP:CHICAGO /
WP:WAWARD)
04:25, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
templates with a large number of links are not forbidden, but can appear overly busy and be hard to read and use.The average reader would be interested in a specific conference, and can navigate from an NCAA season article to the related conference article, and then to the all-conference team.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:34, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
William D. McHenry has been nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William D. McHenry. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 04:56, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
On Curt Cignetti's page, User:GoPhoenix1 continues to change the record in the "current record" field to what his "overall record" is. Current record should only be the record obtained at his current position. Cignetti has only been at Elon for the 2017 and 2018 seasons, compiling a record of 14–9. That is the record that should be in the "current record" field. His overall head coaching record, which includes his 2 seasons at Elon and 6 seasons at IUP make up his "overall record" which is 67–26. GoPhoenix1 has had this explained to him/her several times now and continues to ignore it and keeps reverting my edits. I have left messages on Talk:Curt Cignetti and User talk:GoPhoenix1 but the edits continue. I don't want to start and edit war but also don't know how to stop it GoPhoenix1 from changing the page to incorrect information. Can anyone help? Bsuorangecrush ( talk) 19:40, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
And he just reverted the edits again. Thought he was starting to talk about it first but I guess not. Even removed the warning from his talk page. Bsuorangecrush ( talk) 20:17, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Looking for thoughts on ranking tables now that the season is nearing the end. If a team received votes in the AP or Coaches poll but never actually made it to the Top 25 should a ranking table be included on the season article? I have always operated under the thought that just receiving votes is not worthy of warranting an entire table just filled with RV's and NR's. I figure it's a ranking table and if they were never actually ranked then there is no reason for a table so I have removed them from pages if a team was never ranked. Is just receiving votes, sometimes for only one week, worth keeping an entire table? Bsuorangecrush ( talk) 02:45, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
Thoughts? JohnInDC ( talk) 03:11, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Someone had placed a giant map on the NCAA Division II Football Championship page that no matter where I place it always seems to shift information elsewhere on the page, and makes it very unsightly. Do we really need this map? See precedent here that was removed here. The overall discussion can be found here.-- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 17:39, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
There is no way that any of these navboxes are necessary. 198.199.134.100 ( talk) 17:56, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
With the unprecedented cancellation of the 2018 First Responder Bowl, it's probably worthwhile for the project to consider how we want to handle this on all associated article tables ( First Responder Bowl, 2018 Boston College Eagles football team, 2018 Boise State Broncos football team, Steve Addazio, Bryan Harsin, etc.). Ejgreen77 ( talk) 12:03, 27 December 2018 (UTC) Here are my thoughts:
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alabama–Clemson football rivalry. Corky 21:49, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
There are only two remaining Power Five teams that lack articles for every season: NC State (44 pre-1950 seasons lacking articles) and Louisville (roughly 70 seasons through 1995 lacking articles). Anyone care to fill in some of the gaps? Cbl62 ( talk) 11:42, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
If you have time, please consider adding content to the bowl season articles (list in second column here). In the last few weeks, User:Mooreux and I have started pages for seasons 1981–82 to 2000–01 and added more content to articles up to the present. It would be great if we could get articles started on every season, with at least a schedule of games for each, and then adding some more prose. I would also like to see some more consistency between articles, if possible. Thanks, Ostealthy ( talk) 00:38, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
I was wondering if there's any way that we could add support for FCS within Template:Infobox NCAA football yearly game? Admittedly the template is used for vastly more FBS games than FCS, but it seems out of place when used for an FCS game (ex. 2017 Celebration Bowl, 2018 Celebration Bowl, 2007 NCAA Division I FCS Football Championship, among others). There's a couple of components of the template that are exclusive to FBS teams, listed below.
|Football Season=2018
links to
2018 NCAA Division I FBS football season)Is there any way to use the template for FCS games with appropriate links, or is there a similar template for FCS games? PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 19:07, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I am not familiar with this program, but it is a Division I FCS program. Feel free to offer opinions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2009 Sacred Heart Pioneers football team. Cbl62 ( talk) 06:45, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
(I first posted this at Talk:Ohio State Buckeyes football but it cuts across a few articles so I decided to move it here.) Ryan Day is OSU's head coach beginning in the 2019 season, so I guess - now. He led the team to 3 wins during Urban Meyer's administrative leave at the beginning of the 2018 season. A couple of editors have updated Day's record at Ohio State Buckeyes football to 3-0 to reflect those wins. I've reverted them, on the ground that Day wasn't "Head Coach" at the time, and figuring too that if you credit the wins to Day you need to take them away from Meyer, which seemed - well, implausible to me. But now I see the statement at Urban Meyer that Day is credited with those wins. (Found a ref for this here.) Does anyone know anything different? I don't care which way it goes, other than I don't think the same wins should appear in the lifetime records of two different coaches. Thanks for any input. JohnInDC ( talk) 22:02, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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I know this template is probably meant to be used on a user talk page, but I'm going to put it here just to bring it to everyone's attention. Our WikiProject is one that is constantly creating and improving articles, and so I thought we could be of great help to WikiProject United States in their 50,000 challenge. Of course, this is completely optional, but if you would like to help out, simply add any article you create or greatly improve (as long as it relates to the United States and has proper sourcing, which almost all of our articles do) to the list at the bottom of this page. I think it'd be awesome to see more college football show up. Thanks! PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 06:50, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
This list and Creighton Bluejays football series records are two of the remaining of their kind that we discussed here We had a consensus after deletion discussions here, here, and here, that were successful. As well as a previous discussion here that was determined as No Consensus. What does anybody think about these articles, either 1) delete them entirely (as was previous consensus) or 2) use this as a template.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:44, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi all, just wanted to bring to everyone's attention that I have nominated the above linked redirect for deletion; it was a redirect that I unknowingly created after moving the navbox itself from article namespace to template namespace. Nomination page here: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 11#2019 NCAA Division I FBS football season navbox. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 16:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Not directly related to this project, per se, but of tangential interest to some members here as an NCAA Division I athletic director. Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael P. Waddell. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 04:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
I have been working on building out the Wyoming season articles and came across Hawaii–Wyoming football rivalry. Wyoming has two long and historic rivalries with Colorado State (110 games dating to 1899) and Utah State (69 games dating to 1903). In contrast, there have been only 24 games with Hawaii dating to 1978. Yes, a group of Wyoming alumni living in Hawaii created a trophy, but it seems to lack any of the other expected earmarks of a notable rivalry (e.g., no geographic proximity, only a brief period with regularity of play (1979-1997 followed by a 16-year gap), no fan intensity, no marquee matchups, etc.). Is Hawaii–Wyoming really a notable rivalry? Thoughts appreciated. Cbl62 ( talk) 20:49, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello everybody Notre Dame Fighting Irish football series records is up for deletion here if anybody is interested in participating.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 23:20, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Jim_Taylor_(American_football)#Requested_move_17_January_2019, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, — Bagumba ( talk) 06:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
The position has been advanced in the above AfD that: (i) national coverage is required for college football players to have articles; and (ii) feature coverage in three major metropolitan areas (Kansas City, St. Louis, Little Rock) is "routine local" coverage that should not count toward notability. If you have views one way or the other, feel free to participate in the discussion. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:58, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed that we have a level of inconsistenies at the overall NCAA level for instance we have Template:NCAA Division II navbox which has recently been repurposed into a championships navbox. This is redundant to the list of championships found in Template:National Collegiate Athletic Association, keep in mind that we don't have any corresponding navboxes as such Template:NCAA Division I navbox, and Template:NCAA Division III navboxes. Much of the information that was found in the D-II navbox can now be found in Template:NCAA Division II conferences which makes sense since we have three separate navboxes for Division I conferences, and at least two of them are redundant. I feel this needs to be addressed.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 15:00, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
I've been creating some 2019 team articles lately and I've run across a problem. If a team has a non-Saturday game as their season opener, the use of the tooltip template seems to not work with the CFB schedule template. Here's an example using Clemson's schedule without the tooltip template:
Date | Opponent | Site | TV | Result |
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August 29 | Georgia Tech | ACCN | ||
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...and with:
Date | Opponent | Site | TV | Result |
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August 29 | Georgia Tech | ACCN | ||
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with the template, something messes up with the columns and it won't fix unless the tooltip is removed. Can anyone help? PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 02:40, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
I noticed that an account name "PrimeBOT" change a large number of schedule template a few days ago. A large part of template became less attractive or even could not be displayed. I really don't know why it did that, and I undid many of its edits. 七战功成 9:05, 2 February, 2019
Hello, Antonio Penn has been nominated for deletion. Interested editors are encouraged to participate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonio Penn.-- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:51, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
So, somehow this AfD slipped through the cracks. The guy is a sitting AD at a P5 institution, and before that he was AD at another P5 school. Very likely notable. What can we do to prevent stuff like this from happening in the future? Ejgreen77 ( talk) 22:47, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Another former AD There's a relisted AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael P. Waddell.— Bagumba ( talk) 02:34, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Lost in shuffle AD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael P. Waddell still needs input too.— Bagumba ( talk) 14:03, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
I just came across this merge proposal submitted by UW Dawgs back in September. If interested, have a look and express yourself so that this issue can be resolved one way or the other. See Talk:List of Harvard–Yale football games#Merge to Harvard–Yale football rivalry. Cbl62 ( talk) 23:51, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
What should be do about state titles, and also do any others know about state titles outside of the Southeast (other than Nebraska)? I started lists for Florida, Kentucky, and South Carolina. My goal is not to have e. g. "2018 Florida state champions" crop up as something to note with 12 banners on an article, but these were quite relevant in the days before any team had joined a conference, or before one had claimed a conference title. In short, before any school in the state had entered big-time football and played games outside the state, state titles were very relevant. It's also why you'll see things like "it was the school's first title of any kind" - that usually means "They had not even won a state title before this conference title", such as 1914 Tennessee. There are some states where they may not have any due to entering big-time football quickly or immediately. There are also some like South Carolina where they are still being claimed while teams are winning conference titles, but seem to die out in importance eventually. Cake ( talk) 22:14, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
{{ College athlete recruit entry }} and {{ College athlete recruit end }} are long overdue for an overhaul since Scout was acquired by 247 a couple years ago and no longer do their own recruiting. Currently, if you leave the scout stars attribute blank for a recruit entry, it leaves "Scout: N/A". At the very least, Scout should only print if there is a value there. I propose simply replacing the scout parameters with new ones for the 247Sports Composite, which is not reflected in the templates right now but is arguably of more use to readers than anything else. I feel like there are a myriad of other ways these templates could be improved, from incorporating conference rankings, to overall and positional recruit ranks, to adding sorting based on name or ranks. Do others have thoughts? Will someone with template editing experience help implement changes? Ostealthy ( talk) 22:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
The pre-1956 NCAA football independents standings templates have been the subject of multiple past discussions. Efforts to delete them (supported by me for one) were unsuccessful. Their extreme length continues to be a problem. Last fall, Jweiss suggested regionalizing them (See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Archive 22#Independents football records templates prior to 1956), and I concur with his proposal. I prepared a mockup of Template:1947 NCAA independents football records (> 50 entries) with four regions (northeast, midwest, south and west) which can be viewed at: User:Cbl62/1947 independents. (Proposals for refining the regions are welcome as well.) Cbl62 ( talk) 18:18, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
The regional breakdown here is reasonable to me. I would suggest that we explicitly define the regions by state before rolling this out. Probably makes sense to go with something like the four regions defined by the US Census Bureau: Western United States, Midwestern United States, Northeastern United States, and Southern United States. Some of the southern Mid-Atlantic States (MD, DE, VA, WV) seem to be ambiguously defined between Northeast and South, so we need to figure out where those belong. Jweiss11 ( talk) 19:43, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
One problem I foresee is that football was heavily centered in the Northeast for a long time. So it won't do us much good if a Northeast independents template in 1905 has 70 teams in it while a Western template has 5 teams. We don't really know that until we decide which teams exactly need to be included in the templates, so UW Dawgs has a point there. On the question of NCAA/non-NCAA I think that it makes more sense to avoid the confusion and just go with "college football".
But I do think that the extent to which these templates are needed at all is extremely limited, and I would sooner we just get rid of the damn things. It makes no sense why there should be a "standings table" for teams that are not standing in relation to each other in any meaningful way. Including a "Midwest independents standings table" on any of Notre Dame's season articles would be a confusing distraction. The only setting in which these standings are helpful at all are in a section like 1921 college football season#Conference standings, but even then, is it really? Not every team needs to be listed in a conference standings section, because not every team is in a conference. Ostealthy ( talk) 01:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Now that User:Dmoore5556 is creating I-AA, FCS championship game pages (which I support by the way.) I think it is time to revisit the issue of the omnibus NCAA Championship Games navbox. We already have pages for BCS title games, Template:BCS National Championship Game navbox, and the Template:College Football Playoff navbox. But in other sports such as college basketball we have different navboxes for the divisions such as Template:NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament navbox for D-I, Template:NCAA Division II Men's Basketball Tournament navbox for D-II and Template:NCAA Division III Men's Basketball Tournament navbox D-III. Furthermore the CFP Championship is after all not officially sanctioned by the NCAA. So I believe some discussion is in order before we act. Should we keep it as it, and merge the BCS, and CFP into it, should we split it into a separate FCS, D-II and D-III (assuming one day D2 and D3 get enough pages to warrant their own navbox,) or something else?--- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 17:59, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
But also as of this moment we have a grand total of 3 NCAA Division II Championship Games, and a whopping Zero D-III.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 22:04, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 15#Category:Virginia Tech Sports Hall of Fame Inductees. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 00:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Hey y'all. What do you think of these Template:Quarterbacks coaches of the Big 12 Conference, Template:Big Ten Conference defensive coordinator navbox, and Template:Big Ten Conference offensive coordinator navbox. Also note Erik Chinander is currently under PROD.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:26, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Jweiss11: @ Cbl62: @ Bagumba: I have nominated the Big XII navbox for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 February 15#Template:Quarterbacks coaches of the Big 12 Conference- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:06, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
I am all for national championship navboxes and all, but we have navboxes for teams that don't even claim that national title?.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 00:05, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
The move request at Talk:Pat White (gridiron football) may be of interest to some members of this project. Lepricavark ( talk) 04:00, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Per the above discussion to regionalize the pre-1956 NCAA football independents template, I started to restructure of the college football seasons from the founding of the NCAA in 1906 until 1955, the year before the NCAA's University and College Divisions were formed. As I argued above, merely joining the NCAA between 1906 and 1955 seems have had no functional or structural effect on a team's play, and appears to get little, if any, mention in primary or third-party sources. It seems that conferences in that era must have often had a mix of NCAA and non-NCAA teams. Therefore, I've removed "IAAUS/NCAA" from the infobox and lead of the 1906 though 1955 seasons. The articles for those seasons have never had "IAAUS/NCAA" in their titles. I've also opened up a discussion to upmerge to the related NCAA season categories; see here.
I've renamed the 1956 though 1972 seasons article to include "NCAA University Division" in the article titles. These articles have had a mismatch between article title and lead/infobox. I've also restructured Template:NCAA football season navbox to explicitly break out the University and College Division for the 1956–1972 era. We already have an article for 1956 NCAA College Division football season, but we need to create ones for 1957 though 1972. The University Division articles contain info toward the bottom related to College Division play. That content should be migrated to the new College Division articles.
This restructuring is going to requite a fair bit of cleanup. For example, 1956 college football season currently directs to 1956 NCAA University Division football season. The direct links to that 1956 college football season need to be disambiguated so that it can be converted to a disambiguation page. I've already hit a few hundred of the articles for coaches of the era to update links in the head coaching record tables. Help here would be much appreciated!
Also, the leads of the college football season articles, e.g. 1964 NCAA University Division football season, could really use some work. Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:45, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Given the college football season restructuring discussed above, Template:Infobox college football season need some work to facilitate proper navigation between season. We also have five different season infobox templates that I think should be merged into one:
To summarize, the college football seasons we need to support are as follows:
@ Frietjes:, any thoughts here? Can you help? Jweiss11 ( talk) 18:52, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
|type=
parameter which supports all of these in theory. this is how the Division III box was merged into the main box. it should be fairly straightforward to extend the logic in the various switches for other divisions.
Frietjes (
talk)
19:07, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
See List of Oregon Ducks head football coaches, it looks like some of the season lists.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
You may have noticed a bot is in the process of converting the old named parameters templates to the new named parameters template approved a little over a year ago. If anyone spots any glitches in the conversion process, please alert the bot operator here: User talk:Primefac. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:19, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
See Talk:UConn–UMass football rivalry#Requested move 1 March 2019 if you have thoughts on moving UConn–UMass football rivalry to Connecticut–UMass football rivalry to meet naming conventions. Ostealthy ( talk) 16:31, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps the community needs a bit more info here. User:七战功成 and I are involved in a dispute at Alabama–Clemson football rivalry about compact vs. expanded rivalry tables. We have had a previous discussion on the matter, seen here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Archive 21#Rivarly results table settings. I think we should change the table to extended as both teams have been ranked in each of their last five meetings and we decided that the compact vs. expanded dispute can "be decided on a case-by-case basis." I have been reverted three times by 七战功成 trying to change the table to expanded. Thoughts? PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 00:43, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
I am sorry that I forgot to add response before. I still maintain my opinion now. As I said, there are already links there to the articles of their recent meetings, so people can easily find more information through those links. We don't need to add more information to that template. The current one looks more concise, which is good. 七战功成 04:26, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
It's not necessarily unbalanced in this way. As I said, the two teams are only both ranked in a small part of whole meetings, and there are links to the articles that introduce the important games between them over there, you don't have to add more information. 七战功成 11:29, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Standard or no? Template:Texas Tech Red Raiders athletic program navbox.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 22:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
I don't know if the NFL draft has anything to necessarily do with WP:CFB but a mass deletion of NFL draft navboxes are underway where the nominator states that they are unused, see Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Article alerts. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 17:23, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
So while doing some schedules for the NC Tar Heels, I looked at our pages for Wake Forest. The athletics page refers to Wake as the Fighting Baptists (not cited), but the mascot page Demon Deacon refers to them as simply the "Baptists," or "The Old Gold & Black" before 1923. The school's website also confirms the Baptists or The Old Gold & Black names.....In an effort to be accurate, any preference on which name to use prior to 1923? My preference is Baptists... Pvmoutside ( talk) 19:49, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
I've renamed all the Wake seasons up through 1923 to reflect the "Baptists" nickname. Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:06, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1905 Southwest Texas State Bobcats football team. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:57, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
At Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball#Saint Francis vs. St. Francis Brooklyn. Posting here as there probably other sports that would be affected. It involves two schools that used to be identically named but one changed its athletic WP:COMMONNAME a few years ago. Please help reacha consensus, it’s a little complex. Thanks in advance. Rikster2 ( talk) 00:22, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Are school starting Quarterback Navboxes supposed to list every single QB to start for the school or only those that have articles? I know that many of them, such as Vanderbilt's (below), list every QB to start a game in school history but isn't the point of navboxes to help navigate to existing articles? Not sure if this has already been discussed or not just wondering. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 16:22, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated the above page as well as 1944 VPI Gobblers football team for deletion at AfD; the discussion can be seen at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1943 VPI Gobblers football team. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 10:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
See discusssion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 March 4#Unused sports standings.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 22:36, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Hey everyone, there's an AFD right now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1943 VPI Gobblers football team concerning two season that were not played due to WWII for Virginia Tech. An older AFD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1918 Montana Grizzlies football team covers a similar issue. I know it's come up before, but I think it might be time for us to have a discussion about a "preferred" or "standardized" approach for handling missing seasons for those that have season articles.
I've set up a page here: Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Missing seasons-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 15:25, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Template:Central States Football League navbox has been
nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page.
UCO2009bluejay (
talk)
17:23, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Have not seen season articles challenged in this setting before, but please take a look as this MfD may set a precedent: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:1970 Colorado State Rams football team. The eight challenged draft articles are submitted to MfD on grounds of being "patent WP:NSEASON failures". Cbl62 ( talk) 11:20, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello everybody Template:CCNY Beavers football navbox is up for deletion Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_March_25#Template:CCNY_Beavers_football_navbox. It appears that the navbox used to link to several pages [9] but said pages were turned into redirects all by the same user apparently without discussion.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 19:31, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
I think the rivalries list shouldn't be in that order. North Carolina is a much bigger rival than Georgia and NC State, they're hated more. It goes way back. Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 15:12, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Clemson (obvious 1st)
North Carolina (Battle of the Carolinas)
Georgia
NC State
Texas A&M (protected cross division rivalry)
Yes that article, the infobox and rivalries section. I don't agree with North Carolina being over NC State and Georgia as number two Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 16:00, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
So what y'all are saying is it's supposed to be in alphabetical order but it really doesn't matter how the order is listed? Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 01:16, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
There's a bit of a contentious issue at Mike Kelly (gridiron football). The subject of the article appears to have edited the article under several usernames. Kelly was arrested for domestic abuse in 2009. The chargers were later dropped, but the arrest was reported and later referenced by reliable third-party sources and appears to be tied to his firing from the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Kelly has removed cited content detailing this, arguing the legal record of the arrest was "expunged". See edit here. Thoughts? Jweiss11 ( talk) 03:12, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
User:Lsw2472 has created Template:Alabama Crimson Tide head coaches navbox and a few other analogous navboxes for other SEC schools. Do we need these? Seems like unneeded footer clutter. Jweiss11 ( talk) 03:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and nominated these for deletion. Please see there discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 00:47, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
See Talk:Connecticut Huskies#Requested move 29 March 2019 for discussion on whether the naming convention for the Connecticut Huskies should be changed to UConn. Ostealthy ( talk) 13:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
FYI about a discussion I just started over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League#Dick Egan - dab needed
Thanks. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 16:59, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
We have now built a framework of historic season articles for most Division I FBS teams, but many of those articles remain really bare-bones, sub-stubs. Lately, I've been trying, year by year, to build many of them out so that they have a basic modicum of introductory text and schedule charts that include source citations for each game. The year-by-year approach has been efficient, because a single game source fills slots in two different articles. I would welcome anyone who wants to adopt a year to continue this slow, but important process.
For reference, here's what I've done so far in building out the 1947 season: Arizona, Arizona State, Arizona State-Flagstaff, Arkansas, Army, Baylor, Boston College, Boston University, Bowling Green, Brown, Buffalo, Butler, BYU, California, Catawba, Central Michigan, Chattanooga, Cincinnati, Clemson, Colgate, Colorado, Colorado A&M, Columbia, Connecticut, Cornell, Dartmouth, Davidson, Dayton, Delaware, Denver, Detroit, Drake, Duke, Duquesne, East Texas, Florida, Florida State, Fordham, Furman, Georgetown, George Washington, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Hardin-Simmons, Harvard, Hawaii, Holy Cross, Houston, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Kent State, Kentucky, Lafayette, Lehigh, Louisville, Loyola, Maine, Marquette, Maryland, Merchant Marine, Miami (FL), Miami (OH), Michigan, Michigan State, Michigan State Normal, Minnesota, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri, Montana State, Muhlenberg, Navy, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New Mexico A&M, North Carolina, NC State, North Texas, Northwestern, NYU, Ohio, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma A&M, Oregon, Oregon State, Penn, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Princeton, Purdue, Redlands, Rhode Island, Rice, Richmond, Rutgers, Saint Louis, Saint Mary's, San Francisco, Santa Clara, South Carolina, SMU, Springfield, Stanford, Syracuse, Temple, Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, Texas Mines, Texas Tech, Toledo, Tulsa, UCLA, USC, Utah State, Vanderbilt, Vermont, Villanova, Virginia, VMI, VPI, Wake Forest, Washington, Washington & Lee, Washington State, Wayne, West Texas State, West Virginia, Western Michigan, Wichita, William & Mary, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Xavier, Yale. Cbl62 ( talk) 19:08, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
There seem to be two different understandings in how to identify redshirts when using {{ American football roster }}. Compare the rosters of Michigan and Purdue articles from 2018. The former designates a player that has completed a redshirt year by prepending R to their class, while the latter does so by setting the |rs parameter so the redshirt icon appears. To me, it seems clear that the intention of the template is that former method is to be used, and the redshirt icon is for a player who is actively redshirting the year in question. That way both designations are possible and you aren't drowned in a sea of red when looking at the roster. The template already correctly sorts the classes prepended by "R".
I'm not suggesting we go back and try and fix all the rosters that aren't doing it this way, but I've added clarifications in the template documentation to make this clearer. Are others in agreement on my interpretation? Ostealthy ( talk) 21:23, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
I've nominated Category:Holy Trinity Hilltoppers football and its subcategories for renaming. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 14:04, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
I have found opposing information and am hoping someone can help clear this up. According to the main article at Northeastern Huskies football, the program was an Independent from 1933–1992. College Football Data Warehouse doesn't list any conference affiliations (although I think they just haven't fleshed out the entirety of the program's history yet, so I think they might be wrong). And Northeastern's athletics pages for their football team don't demarcate any conference vs. non-conference games in their yearly listings, nor mention specific conference affiliations in their program history section. Yet List of New England Conference football standings has Northeastern in the standings templates between 1933 and 1946 (WWII absentee years notwithstanding).
The only pseudo-evidence I can find that Northeastern played in the New England Conference is a snippet from the Yankee Conference's football history ( page 2): "The Yankee Conference originally developed from the New England College Conference of Intercollegiate Athletics. When Northeastern offered its resignation from that group, the Land Grant institutions appointed a committee to form a new league." So either the parent article is wildly inaccurate, or the New England Conference article and Yankee Conference history website are.
Can anyone with a newspapers.com subscription dive into this to find concrete write-ups of Northeastern's affiliation (or lack thereof) with the New England Conference? If it turns out they were in it, the season articles I've created as well as the parent article will all need to be updated. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 17:34, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Information to be added back: "First Season" Column Information. Explanation of issue: Prior to a recent update, this page included the first season an FBS head coach started coaching a team. The information has recently disappeared. Please add it back and the ability to sort on this column. References supporting change: This is the corresponding page for FCS Coaches: /info/en/?search=List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_coaches MEKWiki ( talk) 21:27, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
In my Loyola football ticket stub collection, my ticket from the November 25, 1951 Loyola vs San Francisco game is a Loyola home game ticket from the game played at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, CA. I believe the game wasn't played at Kezar Stadium in San Francisco.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fountainvalleyloungelizard ( talk • contribs)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omarius Hines again raises the question as to whether extensive regional and local coverage (more than 10 feature stories in multiple sources) is sufficient to pass WP:GNG. If you have an opinion, one way or the other, feel free to express it there. Cbl62 ( talk) 13:41, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
A question has come up at New Page Patrol about 2019 season articles such as 2019 Montana State Bobcats football team. Basically, reviewers feel like it is too soon for those and they violate WP:NSEASONS at this time. Some of them have been moved to draft space and promptly moved back to main space by the creators. I know this issue has come up in years past and about lots of different sports, not just college football. Perhaps someone from this Wikiproject would like to provide some input as to how you think these ought to be handled for the next 3 months? ~ ONUnicorn( Talk| Contribs) problem solving 23:59, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Team season articles should consist mainly of well-sourced prose, not just statistics and lists of players.Clarification may be needed whether this is regarding the page's current state or not.— Bagumba ( talk) 15:23, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Is there excessive bolding of words/links on 2019 NCAA Division I FBS football season?- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 22:35, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed on several Idaho Vandals pages that the table lists the division of an opponent. I know this is standard procedure if a team is ranked such as what we do on 2016 Alabama Crimson Tide football team, 2016 Chattanooga Mocs football team. But we don't for instance, if a team is unranked such as the listing for Mercer on the 2017 Alabama Crimson Tide football team page? Would I be correct if I removed the indicators as I did here?- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 16:35, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
This week is especially active for football AfDs. Have a look and chime in on those where you have an opinion. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/American football. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:19, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello, the page for the 1938 Big Ten All Conference [1] team shows my grandfather, George A. Nash on the team as well as mention that he was on the AP-2 team I think. Does this mean Associated Press All American 2nd team? Is there a way I can see the listing for that? It was not in the sources. We think he was also on a different team as All American team as well (named after a writer or member of the press), but can't find that information. Any help would be great! He played end for Minnesota. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ToInfiniti ( talk • contribs) 00:22, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
ToInfiniti ( talk) 12:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
There is an ongoing AfD regarding
2019 Southern Utah Thunderbirds football team; everyone's opinions would be appreciated!
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2019 Southern Utah Thunderbirds football team
PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 04:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
WikiProject Women in Red is devoting the next two months (July and August) to a virtual editathon on Women in Sports. Please take this opportunity to write more articles about women footballers who lag far behind men on Wikipedia.-- Ipigott ( talk) 06:59, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
An issue regarding the Steve Kazor article may be of interest to folks here. Please see: Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons#Steve Kazor DOB. Jweiss11 ( talk) 22:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
How necessary is this category? I am just wondering how pertainent it is to the overall project especially when we (through the season articles campaign) have greatly expanded information on conferences that don't exist anymore. As such there is an extreme opportunity for expansion of this category such as Category:Former Michigan Collegiate Conference teams, Category:Former Maryland Intercollegiate Football Association teams, Category:Former Heartland Conference teams since that conference is soon to be defunct etc. But at some point it just seems like they will become unwieldly and will have several gaps and discrepencies. This inconsistency can pose an issue. I doubt that this really is that pertainent to schools that are no longer in the conference and in some cases hasn't been for almost a century.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:53, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
A. D. Kenamond, a head coach in the early 1900s, has been nominated for deletion. Can this one be expanded and saved? Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:57, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Ryan Day#Requested move 9 July 2019 if you have thoughts on the matter. Thanks. Ostealthy ( talk) 22:31, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion on the use of "American football" at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#Football_vs._"American_football".— Bagumba ( talk) 08:26, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
There is an IP adding unsourced material (and some of it unfactual like adding an unbeatened streak that actually belongs to Washington) on the Oklahoma Sooners football page. Can a few people keep an eye on it in the next couple of days?- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:52, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Rybkovich:
Era sections in FBS team articles are generally no more than 4 paragraphs, in practice if not policy. California Golden Bears football#Jeff Tedford era (2002–2012) is currently 15 paragraphs. It is the largest "era" section I am aware of in a FBS article.
As such, it was tagged with Template:very long section [10] which encourages cleanup including via subject matter experts. This type of tagging is regularly done and without controversy as it is a solicitation to improve the article. At the margin, this issue relates to Category:History of college football by team where more extensive coverage is appropriate, articles in this category have extensive/additional era content, and we currently lack a History of Cal Bears football article.
Note, the Tedford era section is about 24kB of the Cal article's 124kB. [11] while the Jeff Tedford#California section is only about 11kB, FWIW.
WP:TOOBIG says
User Rybkovich has removed the maintenance tag [12] along the lines that specific changes needs to be proposed and consensus reach via the Talk page. That is reasonable enough re content changes (I made none), but unrelated to the removal of the maintenance tag re size. Both the section and article are demonstrably large. Based on the above, I believe the maintenance tag is appropriate. UW Dawgs ( talk) 01:44, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
In cases where the individual season notability is insufficient for an article, multiple seasons may be grouped together in a single article. This grouping might be based on head coaches, ...— Bagumba ( talk) 08:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
... would likely benefit from subdivisionPerhaps, but I still recommend to first move out most game- and some season-specific details to their respective season article, and then re-evalutate. Furthermore, a high-level history article can sometimes benefit by grouping a string of uneventful years together, and not give WP:UNDUE weight and cover them the same as more eventful seasons.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
This is something that I think is a problem on more that just Cal. I actually think this would be as great a time as any to make a more uniform pattern for what should be listed in a history section. (Granted some programs should have more info) but the Cal page is IMO Fancruft. Let me add alot of these program articles are very much violators of WP:Recentism Oklahoma is a good example of that.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 15:16, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Rybkovich: I think that you're making some headway but may I recommend that you create a History of California Golden Bears football first. I am not against a Jeff Tedford era article but the program does have a rich early history that I think can be explored, and then Tedford can later be a WP:FORK of that. I wonder what other editors might have to say about these suggestions.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:57, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Per recent discussions about removing "NCAA" from groupings prior to 1956, I've nominated a bunch of categories containing yearly standings templates for renaming. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 July 10#Yearly college football standings templates. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 18:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
I have seen quite the discrepancy between lower divisions and how they list playoff appearances and games on their program pages. Some teams like Appalachian State, use the "List of bowls" method like many FBS teams have, whereas Delaware uses the same format that basketball uses for NCAA Tournament appearances, Central Oklahoma (one that I've created [copied from somewhere]) uses it's own format, as does Texas A&M–Commerce. But yet I think some formats are better than others because there are a variety of small college bowls that have/do exist, ex Nebraska Omaha, and Missouri S&T have links to these, and in UNO's case should have both. Yes I know that I have been the one to add a few of those (and in different formats) but that is why I am asking the following:
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Is it worth having a "future non-conference opponents" section in the football articles? We have users who add to them, but no one ever goes and updates the boxes. I just edited one that still had 2017 in it, and I have found others (just a few) that still had 2016 and before on them. The other problem is that these sections also violate WP:OVERLINK... there are some that overkill on linking the same article. Thoughts? Corky 02:26, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
I have nominated Category:Loyola Marymount Lions football and two subcategories for renaming. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 21:21, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Hey, I've tried adding a rankings table to 2000 Oklahoma Sooners football team and whenever I try to cut off the end of the rankings table it still has some sort of error message. How can this be remedied. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:21, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
poll1firstweek
and poll2firstweek
to zero instead of having them blank, seemed to fix it.
This is User:Cbl62. I have opened this alt account for temporary use due to log in problems. For more than a decade, I used the same simple password for my account. However, earlier this year, I received notices regarding attempts to hack my account, leading me to create a far more complex password. Unfortunately, that password was sufficiently complex that I am now unable to recall what it was. I am seeking input on how to reset my password. Any assistance in this regard would be appreciated. Also, if anyone here is familiar with the processes at Articles for Creation, assistance would be appreciated in moving the following out of Draft space: Draft:1935 Saint Mary's Gaels football team, Draft:1937 Saint Mary's Gaels football team, Draft:1940 Saint Mary's Gaels football team, Draft:1941 Saint Mary's Gaels football team, Draft:1942 Saint Mary's Gaels football team, Draft:1943 Saint Mary's Gaels football team. SonofCbl ( talk) 10:57, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Arkansas–Texas Tech football rivalry was recently created by User:CalebHughes. Is this a legit rivalry? I'm thinking no. Seems more like just two teams that played in the same conference for about 35 years. Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Hello all,
I have nominated Houston-Texas football rivalry for deletion. I am open to reconsidering the nomination if legitimate, significant coverage that satisfies WP:GNG, however, I have been unable to find anything. Please share your thoughts on the matter on the deletion page or add sources that satisfy GNG. Thanks! CalebHughes ( talk) 19:54, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
We have standings templates for independent football teams going back to the inception of college football in 1869; see Category:NCAA Division I FBS independents football records templates. Many of these templates were created by User:UW Dawgs. The problem is that before 1956 the NCAA had no divisions, so the pool of independent teams playing in the one, singular level of college football was very large. Most of the templates prior to 1956 are very incomplete, but Template:1893 college football independents records already has 91 teams listed and is clearly missing many, many independent teams. Is there any practical way of subdividing these independent teams, perhaps by region, to make these templates more manageable? Or should we simply delete them? Jweiss11 ( talk) 04:30, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Hello, I can somebody please tell me how to find a source with Chuck Fairbanks' date of birth Since an article which I linked to the coach's article from The Oklahoman that lists' his Date of birth as June 10 keeps being reverted on the June 10 page. I am being accused of edit warring when I am actually producing sources with two editors claiming that I didn't. @ Cbl62: you're great at digging up sources. Thoughts please?- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 17:20, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Jweiss11: Sorry you got tangeled into this mess. I noticed that Fairbank's article didn't have a source for DOB, so I added it. I subsequently added Fairbanks (not the coach and source) to June 10. Then Todd reverted my edit on Fairbanks' page here saying it wasn't verified. Reading the article his DOB was in the article, and I thought June 10, was grouped with that. So, I was under the impression that if Fairbanks' article had a properly sourced DOB (it now does) that it should be okay to add it in June 10. If he just would have told me directly, "Hey let me look at that source, okay there it is, if you would also cite the source ON June 10 page as well (which by the way only Kate Upton is sourced)," instead of some slapped on non-discussion inducing warning like I'm some random IP making stuff up. (And I wasn't) I would have gone along with it. That is what I appreciate about our discussions on WT:CFB, we discuss and try to inform people as to why we edit the way we do, not that it doesn't get heated sometimes, but at least we know where the other persons stands and more importantly Why! I was under the impression they were throwing out both without verifying.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:52, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
I have nominated Category:Foster Farms Bowl for renaming to Category:San Francisco Bowl. The discussion can be found here. Thanks, PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 12:27, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
After reading the page, he does not seem to be notable enough to merit an article. It appears he played at Georgetown for and then graduated, no awards or subsequent professional or coaching career. Not entirely sure how to propose an article for deletion so looking for help/advice. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 21:22, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
So I just had my first experience dealing with the unnamed parameters version of the CFB Schedule template, and... wow. That cannot be considered acceptable. The maze of pipes that results from not using named parameters is completely un-intuitive and difficult to work with. In order to add the rank column, I had to literally count out the number of pipes until I got to where the rank column is located, add the rank, and then add another pipe to every single other row in the table, and finally add the |rank=y parameter to the top. If you do anything wrong, you are greeted with no table at all and an error message that elucidates nothing at all about where the problem is. This template was clearly not built with anyone in mind but the select couple of users that designed it.
I do like the new template when it is used with Template:CFB schedule entry and named parameters, because of the ease of adding and removing columns. But when used with unnamed parameters, that benefit is erased and usability-breaking problems are introduced. In my opinion, this mess needs to be deprecated and replaced with the Template:CFB schedule entry in all cases. Ostealthy ( talk) 17:29, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
the positioning of the parenthetical can be detected by the module and could be autocorrected by the module, otherwise we wouldn't be able to generate Category:Pages using CFB schedule with rivalry after opponent and Category:Pages using CFB schedule with gamename after location automatically. the use of unnamed parameters does not prevent these parenthetical links from being moved automatically by the module. I can implement anything that there is consensus to implement, but I have not seen consensus yet concerning where these parenthetical links should be placed. Frietjes ( talk) 16:18, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Frietjes, I indeed missed your response regarding the conversation process ("I may be able to find some time to fix problems with the table conversion module over the next several days, but I may be busy with other things."). Sorry about that. We need to address this sooner than later, as it is holding up the long-overdue conversion and deprecation of the old templates. If you can't get to this soon, is there another qualified editor you can recommend who might be able to look into that?
"uses of the old template system had the rivalry link after the opponent in may cases". Really? I've never seen this and I've edited thousands of these tables. Can you show me an example?
"WYSIWYG" doesn't seem to be a very good justification here. If "lack of astonishment" was the intent, well it's not working, because it's produced astonishing inconsistency. All of my questions and efforts here are intended to focus of what we can do now and in the future. I'm trying to understand exactly what was done and why to this point and so that we can rectify the problems we have right now.
"The module could automatically move them to a particular location". Can you execute this and move the links to the site field? If not, is there another qualified editor you can recommend who might be able to look into that?
Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 18:05, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
an editor 73.197.56.240 changed many pages from Elapsed time to point spread......any help reverting would be appreciated..... Pvmoutside ( talk) 14:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
A new AfD raises the question as to whether (i) a college football player must satisfy WP:NCOLLATH or WP:NGRIDIRON; or (ii) it is sufficient that the player pass WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple, reliable sources. If you have views on this, one way or the other, please feel free to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diocemy Saint Juste. Cbl62 ( talk) 19:39, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
We don't typically have categories for regular season games right?- see Category:Patriot Bowl champion seasons.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 18:16, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
There is a merge discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 September 17#Template:United Football League (2009) team that editors may be interested in discussing. FYI it regards merging Template:Infobox NFL team and others into Template:Infobox American football team. At the rate its going, "I think we need to identify the ultimate 'parent' template and see if there are any other templates that fit with this merge." it could impact Template:Infobox NCAA football school down the line. Thoughts are appreciated.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:38, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
This idea probably flies in the face of Wikipolicy, but I'll throw it out there... There was some silly partisan IP vandalism on the Florida–Tennessee football rivalry article last week, so I requested semi-protection, and an admin semi-locked it down from Friday until Monday. Rivalry games usually bring out a flurry of IP vandals putting in crazy scores and who "owns" who - you've all seen it. But because of the protection, there was none of that on the UF-UT article. A couple of regular editors (including myself) updated the record and scores, etc., with no repeated reverting necessary. Perhaps it might be a good idea to semi-protect rivalry articles during the weekend of the game as a matter of course? IP users would be free to contribute at other times, but the overwhelming majority of anonymous edits on game weeks are straight up vandalism. Just a thought. Zeng8r ( talk) 14:40, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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I noticed that there are pages for both of Equanimeous St. Brown's brothers, Osiris and Amon-Ra St. Brown both of whom are currently freshman at their respective universities. While both may very well have successful college careers, these articles may be a case of WP:TOOSOON given they have no serious college honors nor a professional career yet. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 15:48, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
User:UW Dawgs and I have a disagreement at Template:USC Trojans football navbox which potentially affect many others navboxes of the kind. User:Corkythehornetfan has become involved in the dispute as as well. UW Dawgs made a recent edit to the USC navbox in which he bolded every USC season mentioned at College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS, which includes seasons like 2007 USC Trojans football team, where USC won a obscure national title from the Dunkel System. I'm quite confident that we reached a consensus here some years ago to only recognize "major" national titles in these team navboxes. The NCAA record books recognize four "major" selectors for national titles since 1950: the AP Poll, the Coaches Poll, the Football Writers Association of America (FWAA), and the National Football Foundation (NFF). I believe our consensuses was also to recognize only national titles that the school in question claims for years prior to 1950. It's probably a good time to reaffirm or modify this consensus and, perhaps, expand its scope to formalize how we recognize national titles in other standardized structures like infoboxes and record tables. Thoughts? Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:54, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
MOS discussion: On the related subject of bolding navbox links in general (not CFB specific), I've started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting#Bolding_navbox_links.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:48, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Currently in an edit war with an IP user on the Utah State Aggies football page over rivalries. They are stating 2 named rivalries with Boise State and Air Force that don't exist and can't provide proof. And every time I remove the info and ask for a source they just keep saying the "name is pending" and that I'm vandalizing. I don't want to get blocked from an edit war. Can anyone back me up on the Talk:Utah State Aggies football page? Bsuorangecrush ( talk) 00:27, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Mountain States Conference#Renaming "MSC" football standings templates and football season categories and weigh in with any thoughts you may have. Cbl62 ( talk) 15:38, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
I originally proposed the article for Zach Vraa, a former wide receiver for North Dakota State, for deletion on the grounds that he doesn't meet the standards of WP:CFBNOTE but someone removed the tag. As you can see from his page he garnered no individual collegiate awards nor ever signed with a professional team after graduation and therefore certainly doesn't meet WP:CFBNOTE and there is no notable national coverage about Vraa as an individual. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 18:13, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Best, GPL93 ( talk) 23:34, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Template talk:Infobox college coach#Use of the “sport” field Rikster2 ( talk) 21:47, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Ben LeCompte was a punter for North Dakota State who had a short stint with the Chicago Bears on their practice squad after graduation and has not appeared on a roster since. I don't believe his achievements meet standards of WP:CFBNOTE or WP:NGRIDIRON and I don't think he has gained significant enough non-local coverage to pass WP:GNG. The article was previously nominated in 2016, when he was still with the Bears practice squad. GPL93 ( talk) 14:58, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
What are the chances that a third-team All-American tackle from the 1920s, who doesn't appeared to have played pro, will ever be anything more than a stub? Is he notable enough for an article? Per guideline
WP:WHYN: If only a few sentences could be written and supported by sources about the subject, that subject does not qualify for a separate page, but should instead be merged into an article about a larger topic or relevant list.
The main reason I ask is that
Jim Taylor (American football) should be moved to
Jim Taylor (running back) per
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople) if the tackle is going to stay.—
Bagumba (
talk)
11:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
The 2018 Nebraska Cornhuskers football team page has links in the score of the schedule tables that link to the ESPN box score. To my knowledge it is the only one that I've seen with this. Is this something that should be copied on all 130 FBS and 100+ FCS pages, or eliminated?- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 03:05, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
"Source" is not included in the documentation for them and I get an error when I try to add that parameter to transcluded templates. @ Frietjes: could you please add a source parameter to {{ CFB Schedule Start}} and {{ CFB Schedule Entry}}, similar to what was done with {{ CFB schedule}}? (Or if it's already there, can you explain what I'm doing wrong?) Hoof Hearted ( talk) 17:23, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
If the college football independents standings templates are going to be kept, they should at least be fixed to remove the "Conf" record column. See, e.g., Template:1898 college football independents records. This column is empty in each case because we are showing the records of "independents". It serve no useful purpose and simply renders a template that is wider than it needs to be, in many cases forcing schedule templates to shift downward, leaving empty space. Can someone with the requisite technical skill remove the "Conf" record column? Cbl62 ( talk) 19:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
What is our policy on ranking order within conference templates? I've changed the Big Ten standings table a couple of times to match the order shown at BigTen.org (as it pertains to conference record ties). Yet, I must admit that ESPN and Fox Sports show different orders. I consider the conference website to trump all others, but is that right? Hoof Hearted ( talk) 13:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Template:Milton Wildcats football coach navbox has been nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 17:09, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
I was looking at some CFB season lists and noticed some use the {{ CFB Yearly Record Start}} templates and others use coded tables. Are we trying to unify on one layout? Which one? Unfortunately, the project guideline describes using the coded table, but also says (at the top) lists should look like List of Texas Tech Red Raiders football seasons, which currently uses templates.
Templates ( Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan)
Coded tables ( Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State)
It looks like @ Comedian1018 changed serveral coded tables to templates in October 2013. Is that the way we want to go? Hoof Hearted ( talk) 17:35, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
It may be worth pointing out that the {{ CFB Yearly Record Start}} template family still has a fair amount of customization built in, including suppression of conference columns for independent schools, the optional use of sub-headings and sub-totals, and optional wikilinking for school, conference, and college football season articles. In fact, there's enough variation in the way these templates are used I wonder if we could give better guidance to help standardize their appearance. By no means is this a complete list, but I categorized 15 powerhouse football programs below that use the templates.
Team | Subheadings for | Name parameter | School season link piped under |
CFB season link piped under |
Conference season link piped under |
Subtotals |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Colorado | Conference (linked) | Coach (first one linked) | Year | none | none | none |
Florida | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | Conference record | none |
Florida State | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | none | none |
Georgia | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Team | Team (name parameter) | Year | none | Coach: overall and conference record |
Miami | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | none | none |
Michigan | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | Conference record | none |
Michigan State | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | Conference record | Coach: overall record (%) and conference record (%) |
Notre Dame | none | Coach (first one linked) | Year | none | none (Independent) | none |
Oregon | Conference (linked) | Coach (first one linked) | Overall record | Year | none | none |
Stanford | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Year | none | none | Coach: overall and conference record |
TCU | Conference (unlinked) | Coach (first one linked) | Overall record | none | none | none |
Texas | Conference (linked) | Coach (first one linked) | Overall record | none | Year | none |
Texas A&M | Conference (linked) | Coach (first one linked) | Overall record | none | none | none |
USC | Conference (linked) | Coach (first one linked) | Year, switches to overall record in 2010 | none | Year beginning in 2010 | none |
Wisconsin | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | Conference record | none |
MOST COMMON | Coach (linked), conference (linked) | Coach | Overall record | Year | none | none |
Hoof Hearted ( talk) 20:35, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Anyone out there know why the Ole Miss and Tulane rivalries are not showing up in the appropriate places? They are listed on the edit page... Pvmoutside ( talk) 16:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
) for the stadium.
Hoof Hearted (
talk)
17:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
) worked...thanks....
Pvmoutside (
talk)
18:31, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
is no longer required.
Hoof Hearted (
talk)
19:54, 31 October 2018 (UTC)We recently fixed some of the confusion over the naming/usage of Skyline Conference (1938-1962), and I'd now like to do the same for the Rocky Mountain Conference. There is considerable variation in how this conference is referenced in articles, templates, and categories -- sometimes as the Rocky Mountain Conference, other times as the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference, and other times still as the Rocky Mountain Faculty Athletic Conference. My research, based on hits at Newspapers.com, shows overwhelmingly that the common usage from at least 1914 to 1963 (I didn't go beyond 1963, as the conference became less notable in later years) was "Rocky Mountain Conference". In a post on October 16, I proposed renaming articles and templates in accordance with this common usage, but have received no feedback. If you have an opinion, please post at: Talk:Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference#Renaming RMAC/RMFAC ---> RMC. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:50, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Previously discussed here - Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football/Archive_19#Michigan_State–Ohio_State_football_rivalry - and kind of inconclusive. Some recent editing at Ohio State Buckeyes football caused me to revisit the page and I'm still skeptical that this qualifies. I intend to PROD it unless someone here has some other thoughts. JohnInDC ( talk) 15:40, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Having resolved a couple other conference naming anomalies, there's one more to tackle. Please see Talk:Border Intercollegiate Athletic Association. Cbl62 ( talk) 01:39, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Aaron Hernandez#Update. A permalink for it is here. The discussion concerns Hernandez's sexuality and how much detail to include on it, and WP:In-text attribution. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 03:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. -- Izno Repeat ( talk) 21:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I submitted a bot request 10 days ago to do the conversions to the new schedule templates; see Wikipedia:Bot requests#College football schedule conversions. No one there has yet responded. Perhaps if others here would chime in over there, it would draw some attention. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 02:58, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
So, I just ran across this article today. It appears to have had edit-warring issues going on in the past, and it looks like some POV issues still remain. I'd say the entire article is in need of an overhaul/rewrite. Just putting it out there to try to get some eyeballs on the article. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 22:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
I cannot find the appropriate delsort, so notifying the project of an AfD of possible interest that I've listed: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marquis Wright. I'm not watching this page, so please ping me if you reply. StarM 03:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Lucien Abraham, a newly created article for a college football head coach had been nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucien Abraham. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 18:17, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Just a heads up. One SPA is trying to change the record of the Big Game (American football) series. Yes I know that Stanford "disputes" the result of the game but I think we need eyes on it. As just more rivalry vandalism. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 15:59, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
There are two templates for merging that some editors may be interested in:
The first is Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_November_25#Template:Infobox_IAAUS_football_season which primarily uses a template for college football seasons from 1905-9. The second is Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_November_25#Template:Infobox_college_swim_team where one editor stated "Not really redundant, so a merger will need to be done; and the swim team template really does not seem a good merge target. There's the whole "Titles" section of the college swim team infobox that needs merger + the whole colors thing which is specific to US college teams. Merging all the NCAA sport templates seems a far better idea." (emphasis mine) I think it would be a good idea if we have a few editors comment in these discussions.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 23:25, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Dave Long (American football, born 1944) was stable at Dave Long (American football) for over 10 years. While trying to figure out how to address the creation of David Long Jr. and David Long (American football), I moved the page. In less than an hour, I tried to move it back. I may have been unclear at WP:AN. I now have a new request in at Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests#Uncontroversial_technical_requests. Feel free to weigh in as is appropriate.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:28, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Coaching trees: encyclopedic or trivial? Please join the discussion at Talk:Ryan Day (American football)#Coaching tree. Hoof Hearted ( talk) 18:47, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Anybody want to create 2018 College Football All-America Team.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:20, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Should we include the annual All-conference teams on the annual templates. I.e., should {{
2017 NCAA Division I FBS football season navbox}}
and/or {{
2017 NCAA Division I FBS College Football Consensus All-Americans}}
have links for
2017 All-ACC football team,
2017 All-SEC football team,
2017 All-Big Ten Conference football team,
2017 All-Big 12 Conference football team, and
2017 All-Pac-12 Conference football team.--
TonyTheTiger (
T /
C /
WP:FOUR /
WP:CHICAGO /
WP:WAWARD)
04:25, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
templates with a large number of links are not forbidden, but can appear overly busy and be hard to read and use.The average reader would be interested in a specific conference, and can navigate from an NCAA season article to the related conference article, and then to the all-conference team.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:34, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
William D. McHenry has been nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William D. McHenry. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 04:56, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
On Curt Cignetti's page, User:GoPhoenix1 continues to change the record in the "current record" field to what his "overall record" is. Current record should only be the record obtained at his current position. Cignetti has only been at Elon for the 2017 and 2018 seasons, compiling a record of 14–9. That is the record that should be in the "current record" field. His overall head coaching record, which includes his 2 seasons at Elon and 6 seasons at IUP make up his "overall record" which is 67–26. GoPhoenix1 has had this explained to him/her several times now and continues to ignore it and keeps reverting my edits. I have left messages on Talk:Curt Cignetti and User talk:GoPhoenix1 but the edits continue. I don't want to start and edit war but also don't know how to stop it GoPhoenix1 from changing the page to incorrect information. Can anyone help? Bsuorangecrush ( talk) 19:40, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
And he just reverted the edits again. Thought he was starting to talk about it first but I guess not. Even removed the warning from his talk page. Bsuorangecrush ( talk) 20:17, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Looking for thoughts on ranking tables now that the season is nearing the end. If a team received votes in the AP or Coaches poll but never actually made it to the Top 25 should a ranking table be included on the season article? I have always operated under the thought that just receiving votes is not worthy of warranting an entire table just filled with RV's and NR's. I figure it's a ranking table and if they were never actually ranked then there is no reason for a table so I have removed them from pages if a team was never ranked. Is just receiving votes, sometimes for only one week, worth keeping an entire table? Bsuorangecrush ( talk) 02:45, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
Thoughts? JohnInDC ( talk) 03:11, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Someone had placed a giant map on the NCAA Division II Football Championship page that no matter where I place it always seems to shift information elsewhere on the page, and makes it very unsightly. Do we really need this map? See precedent here that was removed here. The overall discussion can be found here.-- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 17:39, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
There is no way that any of these navboxes are necessary. 198.199.134.100 ( talk) 17:56, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
With the unprecedented cancellation of the 2018 First Responder Bowl, it's probably worthwhile for the project to consider how we want to handle this on all associated article tables ( First Responder Bowl, 2018 Boston College Eagles football team, 2018 Boise State Broncos football team, Steve Addazio, Bryan Harsin, etc.). Ejgreen77 ( talk) 12:03, 27 December 2018 (UTC) Here are my thoughts:
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alabama–Clemson football rivalry. Corky 21:49, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
There are only two remaining Power Five teams that lack articles for every season: NC State (44 pre-1950 seasons lacking articles) and Louisville (roughly 70 seasons through 1995 lacking articles). Anyone care to fill in some of the gaps? Cbl62 ( talk) 11:42, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
If you have time, please consider adding content to the bowl season articles (list in second column here). In the last few weeks, User:Mooreux and I have started pages for seasons 1981–82 to 2000–01 and added more content to articles up to the present. It would be great if we could get articles started on every season, with at least a schedule of games for each, and then adding some more prose. I would also like to see some more consistency between articles, if possible. Thanks, Ostealthy ( talk) 00:38, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
I was wondering if there's any way that we could add support for FCS within Template:Infobox NCAA football yearly game? Admittedly the template is used for vastly more FBS games than FCS, but it seems out of place when used for an FCS game (ex. 2017 Celebration Bowl, 2018 Celebration Bowl, 2007 NCAA Division I FCS Football Championship, among others). There's a couple of components of the template that are exclusive to FBS teams, listed below.
|Football Season=2018
links to
2018 NCAA Division I FBS football season)Is there any way to use the template for FCS games with appropriate links, or is there a similar template for FCS games? PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 19:07, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I am not familiar with this program, but it is a Division I FCS program. Feel free to offer opinions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2009 Sacred Heart Pioneers football team. Cbl62 ( talk) 06:45, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
(I first posted this at Talk:Ohio State Buckeyes football but it cuts across a few articles so I decided to move it here.) Ryan Day is OSU's head coach beginning in the 2019 season, so I guess - now. He led the team to 3 wins during Urban Meyer's administrative leave at the beginning of the 2018 season. A couple of editors have updated Day's record at Ohio State Buckeyes football to 3-0 to reflect those wins. I've reverted them, on the ground that Day wasn't "Head Coach" at the time, and figuring too that if you credit the wins to Day you need to take them away from Meyer, which seemed - well, implausible to me. But now I see the statement at Urban Meyer that Day is credited with those wins. (Found a ref for this here.) Does anyone know anything different? I don't care which way it goes, other than I don't think the same wins should appear in the lifetime records of two different coaches. Thanks for any input. JohnInDC ( talk) 22:02, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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I know this template is probably meant to be used on a user talk page, but I'm going to put it here just to bring it to everyone's attention. Our WikiProject is one that is constantly creating and improving articles, and so I thought we could be of great help to WikiProject United States in their 50,000 challenge. Of course, this is completely optional, but if you would like to help out, simply add any article you create or greatly improve (as long as it relates to the United States and has proper sourcing, which almost all of our articles do) to the list at the bottom of this page. I think it'd be awesome to see more college football show up. Thanks! PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 06:50, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
This list and Creighton Bluejays football series records are two of the remaining of their kind that we discussed here We had a consensus after deletion discussions here, here, and here, that were successful. As well as a previous discussion here that was determined as No Consensus. What does anybody think about these articles, either 1) delete them entirely (as was previous consensus) or 2) use this as a template.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:44, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi all, just wanted to bring to everyone's attention that I have nominated the above linked redirect for deletion; it was a redirect that I unknowingly created after moving the navbox itself from article namespace to template namespace. Nomination page here: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 11#2019 NCAA Division I FBS football season navbox. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 16:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Not directly related to this project, per se, but of tangential interest to some members here as an NCAA Division I athletic director. Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael P. Waddell. Thanks, Ejgreen77 ( talk) 04:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
I have been working on building out the Wyoming season articles and came across Hawaii–Wyoming football rivalry. Wyoming has two long and historic rivalries with Colorado State (110 games dating to 1899) and Utah State (69 games dating to 1903). In contrast, there have been only 24 games with Hawaii dating to 1978. Yes, a group of Wyoming alumni living in Hawaii created a trophy, but it seems to lack any of the other expected earmarks of a notable rivalry (e.g., no geographic proximity, only a brief period with regularity of play (1979-1997 followed by a 16-year gap), no fan intensity, no marquee matchups, etc.). Is Hawaii–Wyoming really a notable rivalry? Thoughts appreciated. Cbl62 ( talk) 20:49, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello everybody Notre Dame Fighting Irish football series records is up for deletion here if anybody is interested in participating.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 23:20, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Jim_Taylor_(American_football)#Requested_move_17_January_2019, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, — Bagumba ( talk) 06:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
The position has been advanced in the above AfD that: (i) national coverage is required for college football players to have articles; and (ii) feature coverage in three major metropolitan areas (Kansas City, St. Louis, Little Rock) is "routine local" coverage that should not count toward notability. If you have views one way or the other, feel free to participate in the discussion. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:58, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed that we have a level of inconsistenies at the overall NCAA level for instance we have Template:NCAA Division II navbox which has recently been repurposed into a championships navbox. This is redundant to the list of championships found in Template:National Collegiate Athletic Association, keep in mind that we don't have any corresponding navboxes as such Template:NCAA Division I navbox, and Template:NCAA Division III navboxes. Much of the information that was found in the D-II navbox can now be found in Template:NCAA Division II conferences which makes sense since we have three separate navboxes for Division I conferences, and at least two of them are redundant. I feel this needs to be addressed.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 15:00, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
I've been creating some 2019 team articles lately and I've run across a problem. If a team has a non-Saturday game as their season opener, the use of the tooltip template seems to not work with the CFB schedule template. Here's an example using Clemson's schedule without the tooltip template:
Date | Opponent | Site | TV | Result |
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August 29 | Georgia Tech | ACCN | ||
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...and with:
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August 29 | Georgia Tech | ACCN | ||
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with the template, something messes up with the columns and it won't fix unless the tooltip is removed. Can anyone help? PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 02:40, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
I noticed that an account name "PrimeBOT" change a large number of schedule template a few days ago. A large part of template became less attractive or even could not be displayed. I really don't know why it did that, and I undid many of its edits. 七战功成 9:05, 2 February, 2019
Hello, Antonio Penn has been nominated for deletion. Interested editors are encouraged to participate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonio Penn.-- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:51, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
So, somehow this AfD slipped through the cracks. The guy is a sitting AD at a P5 institution, and before that he was AD at another P5 school. Very likely notable. What can we do to prevent stuff like this from happening in the future? Ejgreen77 ( talk) 22:47, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Another former AD There's a relisted AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael P. Waddell.— Bagumba ( talk) 02:34, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Lost in shuffle AD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael P. Waddell still needs input too.— Bagumba ( talk) 14:03, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
I just came across this merge proposal submitted by UW Dawgs back in September. If interested, have a look and express yourself so that this issue can be resolved one way or the other. See Talk:List of Harvard–Yale football games#Merge to Harvard–Yale football rivalry. Cbl62 ( talk) 23:51, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
What should be do about state titles, and also do any others know about state titles outside of the Southeast (other than Nebraska)? I started lists for Florida, Kentucky, and South Carolina. My goal is not to have e. g. "2018 Florida state champions" crop up as something to note with 12 banners on an article, but these were quite relevant in the days before any team had joined a conference, or before one had claimed a conference title. In short, before any school in the state had entered big-time football and played games outside the state, state titles were very relevant. It's also why you'll see things like "it was the school's first title of any kind" - that usually means "They had not even won a state title before this conference title", such as 1914 Tennessee. There are some states where they may not have any due to entering big-time football quickly or immediately. There are also some like South Carolina where they are still being claimed while teams are winning conference titles, but seem to die out in importance eventually. Cake ( talk) 22:14, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
{{ College athlete recruit entry }} and {{ College athlete recruit end }} are long overdue for an overhaul since Scout was acquired by 247 a couple years ago and no longer do their own recruiting. Currently, if you leave the scout stars attribute blank for a recruit entry, it leaves "Scout: N/A". At the very least, Scout should only print if there is a value there. I propose simply replacing the scout parameters with new ones for the 247Sports Composite, which is not reflected in the templates right now but is arguably of more use to readers than anything else. I feel like there are a myriad of other ways these templates could be improved, from incorporating conference rankings, to overall and positional recruit ranks, to adding sorting based on name or ranks. Do others have thoughts? Will someone with template editing experience help implement changes? Ostealthy ( talk) 22:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
The pre-1956 NCAA football independents standings templates have been the subject of multiple past discussions. Efforts to delete them (supported by me for one) were unsuccessful. Their extreme length continues to be a problem. Last fall, Jweiss suggested regionalizing them (See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Archive 22#Independents football records templates prior to 1956), and I concur with his proposal. I prepared a mockup of Template:1947 NCAA independents football records (> 50 entries) with four regions (northeast, midwest, south and west) which can be viewed at: User:Cbl62/1947 independents. (Proposals for refining the regions are welcome as well.) Cbl62 ( talk) 18:18, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
The regional breakdown here is reasonable to me. I would suggest that we explicitly define the regions by state before rolling this out. Probably makes sense to go with something like the four regions defined by the US Census Bureau: Western United States, Midwestern United States, Northeastern United States, and Southern United States. Some of the southern Mid-Atlantic States (MD, DE, VA, WV) seem to be ambiguously defined between Northeast and South, so we need to figure out where those belong. Jweiss11 ( talk) 19:43, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
One problem I foresee is that football was heavily centered in the Northeast for a long time. So it won't do us much good if a Northeast independents template in 1905 has 70 teams in it while a Western template has 5 teams. We don't really know that until we decide which teams exactly need to be included in the templates, so UW Dawgs has a point there. On the question of NCAA/non-NCAA I think that it makes more sense to avoid the confusion and just go with "college football".
But I do think that the extent to which these templates are needed at all is extremely limited, and I would sooner we just get rid of the damn things. It makes no sense why there should be a "standings table" for teams that are not standing in relation to each other in any meaningful way. Including a "Midwest independents standings table" on any of Notre Dame's season articles would be a confusing distraction. The only setting in which these standings are helpful at all are in a section like 1921 college football season#Conference standings, but even then, is it really? Not every team needs to be listed in a conference standings section, because not every team is in a conference. Ostealthy ( talk) 01:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Now that User:Dmoore5556 is creating I-AA, FCS championship game pages (which I support by the way.) I think it is time to revisit the issue of the omnibus NCAA Championship Games navbox. We already have pages for BCS title games, Template:BCS National Championship Game navbox, and the Template:College Football Playoff navbox. But in other sports such as college basketball we have different navboxes for the divisions such as Template:NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament navbox for D-I, Template:NCAA Division II Men's Basketball Tournament navbox for D-II and Template:NCAA Division III Men's Basketball Tournament navbox D-III. Furthermore the CFP Championship is after all not officially sanctioned by the NCAA. So I believe some discussion is in order before we act. Should we keep it as it, and merge the BCS, and CFP into it, should we split it into a separate FCS, D-II and D-III (assuming one day D2 and D3 get enough pages to warrant their own navbox,) or something else?--- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 17:59, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
But also as of this moment we have a grand total of 3 NCAA Division II Championship Games, and a whopping Zero D-III.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 22:04, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 15#Category:Virginia Tech Sports Hall of Fame Inductees. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 00:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Hey y'all. What do you think of these Template:Quarterbacks coaches of the Big 12 Conference, Template:Big Ten Conference defensive coordinator navbox, and Template:Big Ten Conference offensive coordinator navbox. Also note Erik Chinander is currently under PROD.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:26, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Jweiss11: @ Cbl62: @ Bagumba: I have nominated the Big XII navbox for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 February 15#Template:Quarterbacks coaches of the Big 12 Conference- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:06, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
I am all for national championship navboxes and all, but we have navboxes for teams that don't even claim that national title?.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 00:05, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
The move request at Talk:Pat White (gridiron football) may be of interest to some members of this project. Lepricavark ( talk) 04:00, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Per the above discussion to regionalize the pre-1956 NCAA football independents template, I started to restructure of the college football seasons from the founding of the NCAA in 1906 until 1955, the year before the NCAA's University and College Divisions were formed. As I argued above, merely joining the NCAA between 1906 and 1955 seems have had no functional or structural effect on a team's play, and appears to get little, if any, mention in primary or third-party sources. It seems that conferences in that era must have often had a mix of NCAA and non-NCAA teams. Therefore, I've removed "IAAUS/NCAA" from the infobox and lead of the 1906 though 1955 seasons. The articles for those seasons have never had "IAAUS/NCAA" in their titles. I've also opened up a discussion to upmerge to the related NCAA season categories; see here.
I've renamed the 1956 though 1972 seasons article to include "NCAA University Division" in the article titles. These articles have had a mismatch between article title and lead/infobox. I've also restructured Template:NCAA football season navbox to explicitly break out the University and College Division for the 1956–1972 era. We already have an article for 1956 NCAA College Division football season, but we need to create ones for 1957 though 1972. The University Division articles contain info toward the bottom related to College Division play. That content should be migrated to the new College Division articles.
This restructuring is going to requite a fair bit of cleanup. For example, 1956 college football season currently directs to 1956 NCAA University Division football season. The direct links to that 1956 college football season need to be disambiguated so that it can be converted to a disambiguation page. I've already hit a few hundred of the articles for coaches of the era to update links in the head coaching record tables. Help here would be much appreciated!
Also, the leads of the college football season articles, e.g. 1964 NCAA University Division football season, could really use some work. Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:45, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Given the college football season restructuring discussed above, Template:Infobox college football season need some work to facilitate proper navigation between season. We also have five different season infobox templates that I think should be merged into one:
To summarize, the college football seasons we need to support are as follows:
@ Frietjes:, any thoughts here? Can you help? Jweiss11 ( talk) 18:52, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
|type=
parameter which supports all of these in theory. this is how the Division III box was merged into the main box. it should be fairly straightforward to extend the logic in the various switches for other divisions.
Frietjes (
talk)
19:07, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
See List of Oregon Ducks head football coaches, it looks like some of the season lists.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
You may have noticed a bot is in the process of converting the old named parameters templates to the new named parameters template approved a little over a year ago. If anyone spots any glitches in the conversion process, please alert the bot operator here: User talk:Primefac. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:19, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
See Talk:UConn–UMass football rivalry#Requested move 1 March 2019 if you have thoughts on moving UConn–UMass football rivalry to Connecticut–UMass football rivalry to meet naming conventions. Ostealthy ( talk) 16:31, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps the community needs a bit more info here. User:七战功成 and I are involved in a dispute at Alabama–Clemson football rivalry about compact vs. expanded rivalry tables. We have had a previous discussion on the matter, seen here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Archive 21#Rivarly results table settings. I think we should change the table to extended as both teams have been ranked in each of their last five meetings and we decided that the compact vs. expanded dispute can "be decided on a case-by-case basis." I have been reverted three times by 七战功成 trying to change the table to expanded. Thoughts? PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 00:43, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
I am sorry that I forgot to add response before. I still maintain my opinion now. As I said, there are already links there to the articles of their recent meetings, so people can easily find more information through those links. We don't need to add more information to that template. The current one looks more concise, which is good. 七战功成 04:26, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
It's not necessarily unbalanced in this way. As I said, the two teams are only both ranked in a small part of whole meetings, and there are links to the articles that introduce the important games between them over there, you don't have to add more information. 七战功成 11:29, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Standard or no? Template:Texas Tech Red Raiders athletic program navbox.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 22:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
I don't know if the NFL draft has anything to necessarily do with WP:CFB but a mass deletion of NFL draft navboxes are underway where the nominator states that they are unused, see Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Article alerts. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 17:23, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
So while doing some schedules for the NC Tar Heels, I looked at our pages for Wake Forest. The athletics page refers to Wake as the Fighting Baptists (not cited), but the mascot page Demon Deacon refers to them as simply the "Baptists," or "The Old Gold & Black" before 1923. The school's website also confirms the Baptists or The Old Gold & Black names.....In an effort to be accurate, any preference on which name to use prior to 1923? My preference is Baptists... Pvmoutside ( talk) 19:49, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
I've renamed all the Wake seasons up through 1923 to reflect the "Baptists" nickname. Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:06, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1905 Southwest Texas State Bobcats football team. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:57, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
At Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball#Saint Francis vs. St. Francis Brooklyn. Posting here as there probably other sports that would be affected. It involves two schools that used to be identically named but one changed its athletic WP:COMMONNAME a few years ago. Please help reacha consensus, it’s a little complex. Thanks in advance. Rikster2 ( talk) 00:22, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Are school starting Quarterback Navboxes supposed to list every single QB to start for the school or only those that have articles? I know that many of them, such as Vanderbilt's (below), list every QB to start a game in school history but isn't the point of navboxes to help navigate to existing articles? Not sure if this has already been discussed or not just wondering. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 16:22, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated the above page as well as 1944 VPI Gobblers football team for deletion at AfD; the discussion can be seen at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1943 VPI Gobblers football team. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 10:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
See discusssion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 March 4#Unused sports standings.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 22:36, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Hey everyone, there's an AFD right now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1943 VPI Gobblers football team concerning two season that were not played due to WWII for Virginia Tech. An older AFD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1918 Montana Grizzlies football team covers a similar issue. I know it's come up before, but I think it might be time for us to have a discussion about a "preferred" or "standardized" approach for handling missing seasons for those that have season articles.
I've set up a page here: Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Missing seasons-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 15:25, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Template:Central States Football League navbox has been
nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page.
UCO2009bluejay (
talk)
17:23, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Have not seen season articles challenged in this setting before, but please take a look as this MfD may set a precedent: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:1970 Colorado State Rams football team. The eight challenged draft articles are submitted to MfD on grounds of being "patent WP:NSEASON failures". Cbl62 ( talk) 11:20, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello everybody Template:CCNY Beavers football navbox is up for deletion Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_March_25#Template:CCNY_Beavers_football_navbox. It appears that the navbox used to link to several pages [9] but said pages were turned into redirects all by the same user apparently without discussion.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 19:31, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
I think the rivalries list shouldn't be in that order. North Carolina is a much bigger rival than Georgia and NC State, they're hated more. It goes way back. Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 15:12, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Clemson (obvious 1st)
North Carolina (Battle of the Carolinas)
Georgia
NC State
Texas A&M (protected cross division rivalry)
Yes that article, the infobox and rivalries section. I don't agree with North Carolina being over NC State and Georgia as number two Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 16:00, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
So what y'all are saying is it's supposed to be in alphabetical order but it really doesn't matter how the order is listed? Sports Fan 1997 ( talk) 01:16, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
There's a bit of a contentious issue at Mike Kelly (gridiron football). The subject of the article appears to have edited the article under several usernames. Kelly was arrested for domestic abuse in 2009. The chargers were later dropped, but the arrest was reported and later referenced by reliable third-party sources and appears to be tied to his firing from the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Kelly has removed cited content detailing this, arguing the legal record of the arrest was "expunged". See edit here. Thoughts? Jweiss11 ( talk) 03:12, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
User:Lsw2472 has created Template:Alabama Crimson Tide head coaches navbox and a few other analogous navboxes for other SEC schools. Do we need these? Seems like unneeded footer clutter. Jweiss11 ( talk) 03:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and nominated these for deletion. Please see there discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 00:47, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
See Talk:Connecticut Huskies#Requested move 29 March 2019 for discussion on whether the naming convention for the Connecticut Huskies should be changed to UConn. Ostealthy ( talk) 13:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
FYI about a discussion I just started over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League#Dick Egan - dab needed
Thanks. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 16:59, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
We have now built a framework of historic season articles for most Division I FBS teams, but many of those articles remain really bare-bones, sub-stubs. Lately, I've been trying, year by year, to build many of them out so that they have a basic modicum of introductory text and schedule charts that include source citations for each game. The year-by-year approach has been efficient, because a single game source fills slots in two different articles. I would welcome anyone who wants to adopt a year to continue this slow, but important process.
For reference, here's what I've done so far in building out the 1947 season: Arizona, Arizona State, Arizona State-Flagstaff, Arkansas, Army, Baylor, Boston College, Boston University, Bowling Green, Brown, Buffalo, Butler, BYU, California, Catawba, Central Michigan, Chattanooga, Cincinnati, Clemson, Colgate, Colorado, Colorado A&M, Columbia, Connecticut, Cornell, Dartmouth, Davidson, Dayton, Delaware, Denver, Detroit, Drake, Duke, Duquesne, East Texas, Florida, Florida State, Fordham, Furman, Georgetown, George Washington, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Hardin-Simmons, Harvard, Hawaii, Holy Cross, Houston, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Kent State, Kentucky, Lafayette, Lehigh, Louisville, Loyola, Maine, Marquette, Maryland, Merchant Marine, Miami (FL), Miami (OH), Michigan, Michigan State, Michigan State Normal, Minnesota, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri, Montana State, Muhlenberg, Navy, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New Mexico A&M, North Carolina, NC State, North Texas, Northwestern, NYU, Ohio, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma A&M, Oregon, Oregon State, Penn, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Princeton, Purdue, Redlands, Rhode Island, Rice, Richmond, Rutgers, Saint Louis, Saint Mary's, San Francisco, Santa Clara, South Carolina, SMU, Springfield, Stanford, Syracuse, Temple, Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, Texas Mines, Texas Tech, Toledo, Tulsa, UCLA, USC, Utah State, Vanderbilt, Vermont, Villanova, Virginia, VMI, VPI, Wake Forest, Washington, Washington & Lee, Washington State, Wayne, West Texas State, West Virginia, Western Michigan, Wichita, William & Mary, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Xavier, Yale. Cbl62 ( talk) 19:08, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
There seem to be two different understandings in how to identify redshirts when using {{ American football roster }}. Compare the rosters of Michigan and Purdue articles from 2018. The former designates a player that has completed a redshirt year by prepending R to their class, while the latter does so by setting the |rs parameter so the redshirt icon appears. To me, it seems clear that the intention of the template is that former method is to be used, and the redshirt icon is for a player who is actively redshirting the year in question. That way both designations are possible and you aren't drowned in a sea of red when looking at the roster. The template already correctly sorts the classes prepended by "R".
I'm not suggesting we go back and try and fix all the rosters that aren't doing it this way, but I've added clarifications in the template documentation to make this clearer. Are others in agreement on my interpretation? Ostealthy ( talk) 21:23, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
I've nominated Category:Holy Trinity Hilltoppers football and its subcategories for renaming. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 14:04, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
I have found opposing information and am hoping someone can help clear this up. According to the main article at Northeastern Huskies football, the program was an Independent from 1933–1992. College Football Data Warehouse doesn't list any conference affiliations (although I think they just haven't fleshed out the entirety of the program's history yet, so I think they might be wrong). And Northeastern's athletics pages for their football team don't demarcate any conference vs. non-conference games in their yearly listings, nor mention specific conference affiliations in their program history section. Yet List of New England Conference football standings has Northeastern in the standings templates between 1933 and 1946 (WWII absentee years notwithstanding).
The only pseudo-evidence I can find that Northeastern played in the New England Conference is a snippet from the Yankee Conference's football history ( page 2): "The Yankee Conference originally developed from the New England College Conference of Intercollegiate Athletics. When Northeastern offered its resignation from that group, the Land Grant institutions appointed a committee to form a new league." So either the parent article is wildly inaccurate, or the New England Conference article and Yankee Conference history website are.
Can anyone with a newspapers.com subscription dive into this to find concrete write-ups of Northeastern's affiliation (or lack thereof) with the New England Conference? If it turns out they were in it, the season articles I've created as well as the parent article will all need to be updated. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 17:34, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Information to be added back: "First Season" Column Information. Explanation of issue: Prior to a recent update, this page included the first season an FBS head coach started coaching a team. The information has recently disappeared. Please add it back and the ability to sort on this column. References supporting change: This is the corresponding page for FCS Coaches: /info/en/?search=List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_coaches MEKWiki ( talk) 21:27, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
In my Loyola football ticket stub collection, my ticket from the November 25, 1951 Loyola vs San Francisco game is a Loyola home game ticket from the game played at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, CA. I believe the game wasn't played at Kezar Stadium in San Francisco.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fountainvalleyloungelizard ( talk • contribs)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omarius Hines again raises the question as to whether extensive regional and local coverage (more than 10 feature stories in multiple sources) is sufficient to pass WP:GNG. If you have an opinion, one way or the other, feel free to express it there. Cbl62 ( talk) 13:41, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
A question has come up at New Page Patrol about 2019 season articles such as 2019 Montana State Bobcats football team. Basically, reviewers feel like it is too soon for those and they violate WP:NSEASONS at this time. Some of them have been moved to draft space and promptly moved back to main space by the creators. I know this issue has come up in years past and about lots of different sports, not just college football. Perhaps someone from this Wikiproject would like to provide some input as to how you think these ought to be handled for the next 3 months? ~ ONUnicorn( Talk| Contribs) problem solving 23:59, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Team season articles should consist mainly of well-sourced prose, not just statistics and lists of players.Clarification may be needed whether this is regarding the page's current state or not.— Bagumba ( talk) 15:23, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Is there excessive bolding of words/links on 2019 NCAA Division I FBS football season?- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 22:35, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed on several Idaho Vandals pages that the table lists the division of an opponent. I know this is standard procedure if a team is ranked such as what we do on 2016 Alabama Crimson Tide football team, 2016 Chattanooga Mocs football team. But we don't for instance, if a team is unranked such as the listing for Mercer on the 2017 Alabama Crimson Tide football team page? Would I be correct if I removed the indicators as I did here?- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 16:35, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
This week is especially active for football AfDs. Have a look and chime in on those where you have an opinion. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/American football. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:19, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello, the page for the 1938 Big Ten All Conference [1] team shows my grandfather, George A. Nash on the team as well as mention that he was on the AP-2 team I think. Does this mean Associated Press All American 2nd team? Is there a way I can see the listing for that? It was not in the sources. We think he was also on a different team as All American team as well (named after a writer or member of the press), but can't find that information. Any help would be great! He played end for Minnesota. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ToInfiniti ( talk • contribs) 00:22, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
ToInfiniti ( talk) 12:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
There is an ongoing AfD regarding
2019 Southern Utah Thunderbirds football team; everyone's opinions would be appreciated!
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2019 Southern Utah Thunderbirds football team
PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 04:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
WikiProject Women in Red is devoting the next two months (July and August) to a virtual editathon on Women in Sports. Please take this opportunity to write more articles about women footballers who lag far behind men on Wikipedia.-- Ipigott ( talk) 06:59, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
An issue regarding the Steve Kazor article may be of interest to folks here. Please see: Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons#Steve Kazor DOB. Jweiss11 ( talk) 22:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
How necessary is this category? I am just wondering how pertainent it is to the overall project especially when we (through the season articles campaign) have greatly expanded information on conferences that don't exist anymore. As such there is an extreme opportunity for expansion of this category such as Category:Former Michigan Collegiate Conference teams, Category:Former Maryland Intercollegiate Football Association teams, Category:Former Heartland Conference teams since that conference is soon to be defunct etc. But at some point it just seems like they will become unwieldly and will have several gaps and discrepencies. This inconsistency can pose an issue. I doubt that this really is that pertainent to schools that are no longer in the conference and in some cases hasn't been for almost a century.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:53, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
A. D. Kenamond, a head coach in the early 1900s, has been nominated for deletion. Can this one be expanded and saved? Jweiss11 ( talk) 01:57, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Ryan Day#Requested move 9 July 2019 if you have thoughts on the matter. Thanks. Ostealthy ( talk) 22:31, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion on the use of "American football" at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#Football_vs._"American_football".— Bagumba ( talk) 08:26, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
There is an IP adding unsourced material (and some of it unfactual like adding an unbeatened streak that actually belongs to Washington) on the Oklahoma Sooners football page. Can a few people keep an eye on it in the next couple of days?- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 21:52, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Rybkovich:
Era sections in FBS team articles are generally no more than 4 paragraphs, in practice if not policy. California Golden Bears football#Jeff Tedford era (2002–2012) is currently 15 paragraphs. It is the largest "era" section I am aware of in a FBS article.
As such, it was tagged with Template:very long section [10] which encourages cleanup including via subject matter experts. This type of tagging is regularly done and without controversy as it is a solicitation to improve the article. At the margin, this issue relates to Category:History of college football by team where more extensive coverage is appropriate, articles in this category have extensive/additional era content, and we currently lack a History of Cal Bears football article.
Note, the Tedford era section is about 24kB of the Cal article's 124kB. [11] while the Jeff Tedford#California section is only about 11kB, FWIW.
WP:TOOBIG says
User Rybkovich has removed the maintenance tag [12] along the lines that specific changes needs to be proposed and consensus reach via the Talk page. That is reasonable enough re content changes (I made none), but unrelated to the removal of the maintenance tag re size. Both the section and article are demonstrably large. Based on the above, I believe the maintenance tag is appropriate. UW Dawgs ( talk) 01:44, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
In cases where the individual season notability is insufficient for an article, multiple seasons may be grouped together in a single article. This grouping might be based on head coaches, ...— Bagumba ( talk) 08:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
... would likely benefit from subdivisionPerhaps, but I still recommend to first move out most game- and some season-specific details to their respective season article, and then re-evalutate. Furthermore, a high-level history article can sometimes benefit by grouping a string of uneventful years together, and not give WP:UNDUE weight and cover them the same as more eventful seasons.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
This is something that I think is a problem on more that just Cal. I actually think this would be as great a time as any to make a more uniform pattern for what should be listed in a history section. (Granted some programs should have more info) but the Cal page is IMO Fancruft. Let me add alot of these program articles are very much violators of WP:Recentism Oklahoma is a good example of that.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 15:16, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Rybkovich: I think that you're making some headway but may I recommend that you create a History of California Golden Bears football first. I am not against a Jeff Tedford era article but the program does have a rich early history that I think can be explored, and then Tedford can later be a WP:FORK of that. I wonder what other editors might have to say about these suggestions.- UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 20:57, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Per recent discussions about removing "NCAA" from groupings prior to 1956, I've nominated a bunch of categories containing yearly standings templates for renaming. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 July 10#Yearly college football standings templates. Thanks, Jweiss11 ( talk) 18:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
I have seen quite the discrepancy between lower divisions and how they list playoff appearances and games on their program pages. Some teams like Appalachian State, use the "List of bowls" method like many FBS teams have, whereas Delaware uses the same format that basketball uses for NCAA Tournament appearances, Central Oklahoma (one that I've created [copied from somewhere]) uses it's own format, as does Texas A&M–Commerce. But yet I think some formats are better than others because there are a variety of small college bowls that have/do exist, ex Nebraska Omaha, and Missouri S&T have links to these, and in UNO's case should have both. Yes I know that I have been the one to add a few of those (and in different formats) but that is why I am asking the following: