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I have nominated Gyeongju for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey ( cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 14:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC) I have nominated Suburbs_of_Johannesburg for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey ( cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 14:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I am somewhat perplexed by the conversation above. As we have hundreds of totally unreferenced articles about villages allegedly existing in India, Malaysia, and elsewhere, where is the outrage? the consternation? the worry? the effort? the drama? Once again, wikipedians are debating over trifles - i.e., when and whether an existing sourced article about a place is notable or not - when there are totally unreferenced articles about similar topics that may not even ever have existed. Ah, the power of no structure! Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 01:14, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Having read through the above discussions it seems to me the main issue is what exactly the GNIS term "populated place" means. A quick bit of research, including the GNIS FAQs and other sources describing how the GNIS database was built make it clear: The populated place category means only that the place was shown on a printed topographic map, probably from the 1970s or before. No demographic data involved, despite the poorly chosen term "populated". The place may have been long abandoned by the time the printed map was made. In short, a GNIS populated place may have no residents and may be little more than ruins. Thus GNIS is not a reliable source for current settlements. It is, however, a reliable source for settlements with the caveat that they may be ghost towns or ruins today. Former settlements can be quite notable, of course. Even places that were little more than mining camps or railroad sidings can have rich histories. My point is that a GNIS populated place entry may not be a settlement today, but may still be highly notable. Additional sources would be important--but may not always be easy to find, especially for long-abandoned short-lived places. Searching the web and finding nothing does not mean sources do not exist. Still, a GNIS populated place reference by itself says very little. It does not even indicate a present-day population. Pfly ( talk) 09:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I thought members of this WikiProject might be interested in the discussion beginning here on the Village Pump. It is regarding incorporating information from the 2010 Census into all of the corresponding city and CDP articles on Wikipedia. Killiondude ( talk) 04:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
For alumni of schools there are specific citation requirements. It must be properly cited that the alumni attended that school and if no wikipedia article exists for that person there must also be a citation proving notability (can potentially be the same reference).
Is there a similar citation requirement for Notable Residents within city articles? I thought there was but I can't find it. If there is currently no requirement, shouldn't there be a written policy that requires Notable Residents to be properly cited that they A) did reside there and B) that they meet minimum notability requirements (if no Wikipedia article exists that already proves notability)?
-- Fife Club ( talk) 16:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I visited the "fort" yesterday. It is actually a building that was once surrounded by a stockade. According to the guide, the building had been moved a short distance, probably in the 19th century. In any case, it is no longer being used as a residence, which the Fort Ashby article erroneously states. Jafriers ( talk) 12:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Louisville, Kentucky for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey ( cricket photo poll!) paid editing=POV 01:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Currently, this wikiproject has two primary templates that are used to guide editors into building good articles about cities -- WP:USCITY covers cities in the United States and WP:UKCITIES covers cities in the United Kingdom. Unfortunately, there are cities all over the world in the other 150+ or so nations on Earth, so two templates doesn't exactly cut it. While the US guideline can help with articles in Canada & Mexico to a degree, and the UK guideline can help articles in other European nations, there's not a whole lot out there to help guide editors working on cities in Africa, South America, or Asia (I suppose the UK guideline could help somewhat with Australian cities).
Perhaps we should consider ways to either consolidate the two primary guidelines into one world city guideline, or develop some newer, regional-based guides for cities in other nations. For example, the WP:USCITY guide would become a North American guide, the WP:UKCITIES guide would become a European city guide, and then develop guides for Asia, Africa, South America, etc. What do editors think about this? Dr. Cash ( talk) 20:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
If the template is to be altered, how about adding an entry for local media that cover the area of the seettlement. This would provide a reader with links to websites with info that may be useful. As regards the discussion over national usages, other templates offer multiple lines from which an editor can select the appropriate entry for the subject or the version of English. Folks at 137 ( talk) 21:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I would like to bring everyone's attention to these edits. The user is just slapping an OR tag on (seemingly) every notable residents section s/he comes across. To me, this seems a tad disruptive. I myself have placed cleanup tags on articles before, but never close to this amount of articles. Killiondude ( talk) 20:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
There's actually a current discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Guideline#Natives and residents to try and figure out if and/or how to adjust the guideline. Folks might be interested in checking that out. Dr. Cash ( talk) 20:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Alamogordo, New Mexico is undergoing peer review. I have polished the article, with special attention to the guidelines at WP:USCITY, and would appreciate any comments regarding this or any other aspect of the article. You can comment at Wikipedia:Peer review/Alamogordo, New Mexico/archive1. Thanks. -- Uncia ( talk) 23:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
This article was recently created by an editor who means well and has done a lot to the Akron, Ohio article. My concern here is excessive amounts of trivia. One section, for instance, lists virtually every instance where Akron has been mentioned or featured in television and film. I would appreciate any help from other experienced editors at the Talk:Culture of Akron, Ohio page or in the article itself. Thanks -- JonRidinger ( talk) 21:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the article which you can see at Talk:Northeast Philadelphia/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. You are being notified as the talk page has a banner for this project. Thanks, GaryColemanFan ( talk) 06:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
We seem to be having some trouble choosing which photo to use for the lead image for the Berlin article. See the discussion here. Basically one group feels that a photo from 2006 is more artistically pleasing. The other group feels that since the 2006 photo shows the Palace of the Republic, it is out of date and should be replaced with a photo from 2009. Please provide further input. Thanks! imars ( talk) 19:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I am looking for advice regarding Wikipedia:WikiProject District of Columbia - Several users there said that they do not wish to have the project's scope cover DC suburbs (using any definition), and one user suggested starting a parallel DC area WikiProject. I argued that having the DC project extend to NOVA and the Maryland burbs would make the project stronger; other US city projects cover suburbs (the exception I can think of is NYC, which covers a city of 8 million). Anyway, would the Cities project recommend having parallel DC only and DC area WikiProjects? Why or why not? WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
In the guidelines to writing about cities and countries we tend to provide suggestions that information about the origin of the name / the etymology is given in the history section, and - if there is enough material - that a sub-section can be created. In usage some editors prefer that the etymology details be placed in their own section - which is fine if there is enough data to justify it, and the information may be found reasonably interesting or useful to the average reader. But the question now arises as where to place a stand alone Etymology section. I often find them placed as the first section - ahead of the History section - and there is a part of me which can see the logic of that. However, there is a greater logic in having the history section first, as that is the first section that readers would expect - it is generally what encyclopedias do, and the history always comes before the name (I suppose there may be settlements and countries which were named before they existed, but these must be very rare!). Where etymologies are usually placed in dictionaries and references books is at the end of the entry - and that may be where someone interested in the etymology may be expecting to look. There may be other options as to where to place the etymology, and it would be useful to get some opinions and revisit the guidelines to make things clearer. As a starting point, here are four suggestions:
I will copy this to other related WikiProjects. SilkTork * YES! 10:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
As I've looked around, I've noticed some weird ways of showing where a city or town is located. The cities in Massachusetts that I deal with such as Melrose, Massachusetts have a map that makes it very easy to identify where the city is with respect to Massachusetts as a whole. Since most people know the shapes of the states and how they relate to the country as a whole, this is a very good way of depicting the location. There seems to be a ton of articles such as West Hempstead, New York, that show a census map. For someone who does not live in the area (or any of the surrounding communities) that map is useless. There is no landmarks to use to gauge the position. If there isn't already a convention for these maps, I urge this project to draft one. The map like that of Melrose is imo the best type. Grk1011/Stephen ( talk) 03:10, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Using this word automatically to mean population should stop IMO. "Largest" could also mean area. The word should be modified unless it is clear in context. "Largest area" or "biggest population." Student7 ( talk) 16:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I want to make one for Hall, New York. Every other little town and city has one. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 00:53, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Springfield, Illinois has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 19:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Which is the better one to use, "Sister City" or "Twin City"? Both are used and to me it doesn't look good (See London, New York City and Odessa for three different). Is there any consensus on which one to use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.227.58.24 ( talk) 08:58, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Would this WikiProject be interested in take up the use of this template? It is a "request box created in 2006 by an editor who was working to add climate sections to articles about geographical regions", and is currently nominated for deletion due to non-use, but the nominator stated he would withdraw the nomination if someone is willing to take up use of the template. Ks0stm ( T• C• G) 21:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Can someone from this project take a look at Template_talk:GR#Too_vague. and Template_talk:GR#Page_needed? This involves adding {{ page needed}} tags to a template that is transcluded on tens of thousands of city articles. Kaldari ( talk) 20:32, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I was tidying up the Morodvis article, but I cannot get the pushpin map to work.
I looked at the Ohrid and the Skopje articles, which also use Template:Location map Republic of Macedonia, and the markup appears to be correct, but no map is showing up!
Any help would be much appreciated. -- PhantomSteve/ talk| contribs\ 17:45, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
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Worldenc ( talk · contribs) has created thousands of charts to display some information on thousands (not exaggerating) of articles. They have met some opposition on their talk page, but have also met some people who are in favor of (at least some form) of the charts. Yesterday I had logged on with Worldenc flooding my watchlist when they had added images to many of the pages that I keep watchlisted. Today I log on, and see that Hu12 ( talk · contribs) has rolled backk all of these edits (keep in mind, the edit amount is greater than 2,000 articles) with no apparent discussion. At least none that I could find. According to WP:ROLLBACK#Mass rollbacks (and common courtesy) it is normally standard procedure to discuss in situations like that before doing a massive rollback attempt. In any case, I would like it if we could get some sort of consensus for this, because Worldenc has put so much effort into trying to improve articles, only to have all of his effort removed in one (automated) swoop. I personally like the idea of what Worldenc is trying to accomplish, but there might be a better way to accomplish it. Killiondude ( talk) 20:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC) I'm also going to leave notes on WP:VPM and several users' talk pages who I saw were involved/discussed this topic.
Geneseo, New York is currently a merged article for a town and a village in Livingston County, New York. This is at variance with every other municipality article in New York and the rest of the country: we always have separate articles for separate municipalities, even if they overlap; see Category:Towns in New York, Category:Villages in New York, and similar categories for Vermont (towns and villages) and Wisconsin (cities, towns, and villages) for very similar examples. The merger — enforced by a single editor over the objections of multiple other editors, including me — is that this mailing list discussion trumps our universal practice of separate articles for separate municipalities. If you're not familiar with New York municipality articles, you can read Administrative divisions of New York — essentially, villages are within towns, but there are wide areas in towns that aren't in villages, so this situation doesn't at all resemble a small-scale consolidated city–county. In this specific situation, the village includes less than 7% of the area of the town. Is there any objection to restoring this set of municipalities to the way that every other similar set of municipalities is done? Nyttend ( talk) 05:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
There was a change to Importance ratings proposed on this page ("Slight tweak to Top-priority") that has slipped through, nem con. Did anyone see and think "fair enough"? Or should a proper consensus be formed? I have some issues to the change which the proposer has, in good faith, applied to the affected articles. BTW, other proposals have been made on that page. Folks at 137 ( talk) 15:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that discussion on this topic be consolidated in one place? Either here or at the assessment talk page, but it's hard to follow going back and forth. Sher eth 20:46, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
If we can't fix it to be inclusive, we might as well toss it, I guess Purplebackpack89 ( talk) 21:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Someone just dropped the WP:Featured Article importance of New York City from top to high, on the basis that the WP:Featured article criteria require a top-importance city to be a national capital. There was a discussion of this question a while back (although I can't remember if it was here, at Wikipedia talk:Featured article criteria or Talk:New York City) and I thought the consensus was that this isn't a workable rule, although I don't know if that consensus crystallized into a definite change or redefinition. I think the rule's absurd, because many political capitals, including Washington, D.C., Ottawa, Canberra, Islamabad, Pretoria and Brasilia, were deliberately chosen either to avoid concentration of political power in a city that is already dominant culturally and economically (i.e. the country's most important city), or to appease the rivalry of two such dominant cities. As I understand the reasoning behind the rule, the project members were afraid that without some such rule, half the "top-importance" cities would end up being in the U.S., so there can be no more than one top-importance city per country. But if you had to pick one single, solitary city in the United States to be top-importance, no matter how much you might resent New Yorkers' perceived arrogance, you'd have to pick New York City rather than Washington or Los Angeles; if you had to pick one in Australia, it would have to be Sydney or Melbourne (both of which have hosted Olympic Games) rather than Canberra; and if you had to pick one top-importance city in Canada, it would have to be either Toronto or Montreal and not Ottawa. —— Shakescene ( talk) 22:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
¶ I found the discussion I was thinking of here. There are half a dozen places where this could be (and has been) discussed, so it's no wonder it's so fragmented and confused. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Assessment#Priority Ranking. —— Shakescene ( talk) 23:38, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Interestingly, when you think of it, you could make an argument for New York City as Top-Importance as the headquarters of the United Nations. One could also make a similar argument for The Hague as the headquarters of the International Court of Justice, and possibly Geneva. Dr. Cash ( talk) 17:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
There are many reasons to get rid of the project’s importance rating and few that I can think of to keep it. Does the “importance” have any direct impact on the article? I doubt it. A prime example of the flaw with “importance” ratings is that it generates more heat than light. How with the above sections lead to the improvement of any article? The purpose of importance ratings was to prioritise which articles need attention, but I don’t think it can be argued that they work. The criteria is arbitrary (not something I have a problem with, but something many seem to) and there will always be people asking for it to be widened just a little more. New York’s important, but what about Ravenna? It was the capital of the Western Roman Empire and obviously a very important city, although less so today. The city of Babylon was very important yet isn’t even tagged by this project. The project doesn’t need importance ratings to function, just look at WP:MILHIST. They have avoided this kind of time sink by ditching the whole thing and sticking with simple ratings of article ' 'quality ' ' that assess the article and point out how it needs to be improved.
So let’s admit that the importance rating doesn’t work, generates more heat than light, and should be binned. Discuss. Nev1 ( talk) 23:50, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
One of the bees in my bonnet is the general lack of focus or categorisation in wpcities. If the addition of a capitals=yes parameter is feasible then maybe we can consider further sub-divisions, much as the milhist and biography projects do. Geographical region might be one. Aministrative subdivisions of conurbations might be another. Don't forget that importance isn't purely a matter of population - international repute or profile is another, eg, Oxford or Cambridge or Versailles or Bhopal. If we are changing things a little then perhaps there are other fixes that are feasible. Oh, and please be cautious with the use of the word "cities" since in some countries this has a specific, sometimes legal, meaning and I have to repeatedly advise editors that "cities" = settlements. Thanks. Folks at 137 ( talk) 20:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
And if there are nominations, I nominate the meta non-capitals (NYC and LA in North America; Rio and Sao Paolo in South America; Cape Town and Lagos in Africa; Saint Petersburg and Istanbul in Europe; Sydney in Oceania; and Delhi, Calcutta, Mumbai, Mecca, Hong Kong and Shanghai in Asia). My thoughts Purplebackpack89 ( talk) 22:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
We need sub-categories in a variety of areas. Here are some that have come up
Purplebackpack89 ( talk) 00:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I think what we should do is to create two additional parameters for the WP:CITIES banner: (1) capital and (2) region.
The, capital parameter would be set to either:
The region parameter would be set to either:
If categories don't already exist for each of these, then they should be created (e.g. Category:National Capitals). Dr. Cash ( talk) 16:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
San Juan, Puerto Rico has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 02:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Anyone who could help at Akron, Ohio would be greatly appreciated. The article is in pretty bad shape and desperately needs more experienced and steady editors who know Wikipedia policies and the general guidelines of this Wiki Project. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 02:04, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Near South Side, Chicago has a Good Article Reassessment here. GamerPro64 ( talk) 22:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi! User:UsagiM started a discussion about whether to mention a marina in Kemah, Texas in its article. Please see User_talk:UsagiM#Boardwalk and User_talk:WhisperToMe#Kemah.2C_Texas. WhisperToMe ( talk) 20:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello, members of WikiProject Cities and others. Nightscream proposed starting this thread due to a dispute he's had with another editor at the Union City, New Jersey article. The dispute is over the inclusion of a section detailing notable portrayals of Union City in media. Nightscream contends that these examples merit inclusion because they are sourced and of greater importance, while Djflem argues that these examples are trivia and belong in other sections, if anywhere. Because this applies to city articles in general and not just the Union City page, and because I was unable to find a previous discussion about this in the WT:CITIES and WT:NJ archives, I'm starting this thread. It's worth noting that there was some discussion about this back in 2006 at FAC.
Discuss away. A Stop at Willoughby ( talk) 16:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
FYI:Here is the link to the current edit: Union City, New Jersey#Media, which I believe sufficiently covers the fact that some movies were shot in town. Djflem ( talk) 21:24, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there a reason many of the US cities' articles ( Houston, Atlanta etc) don't actually show where they are in the US? I presume this has already been discussed, but I can't find any guidelines/reasons for it. This doesn't seem to be the case for Australia, China or anywhere else. It seems a bit strange to force people to combine two different maps (the one for Houston and the one for Texas for example) on two different pages in their heads. yandman 00:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
See here, if you have any opinion on the matter. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Not sure what the protocol is for asking for comment, but I made a proposal on the Village Pump on which some Cities contributors could likely give profitable feedback. In brief, I found the series of articles listing the most populous cities in a country, such as Largest cities in Indonesia, List of United States cities by population, and their associated categories, to be something of a mess. - Regards, PhilipR ( talk) 07:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
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I have nominated Gyeongju for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey ( cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 14:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC) I have nominated Suburbs_of_Johannesburg for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey ( cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 14:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I am somewhat perplexed by the conversation above. As we have hundreds of totally unreferenced articles about villages allegedly existing in India, Malaysia, and elsewhere, where is the outrage? the consternation? the worry? the effort? the drama? Once again, wikipedians are debating over trifles - i.e., when and whether an existing sourced article about a place is notable or not - when there are totally unreferenced articles about similar topics that may not even ever have existed. Ah, the power of no structure! Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 01:14, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Having read through the above discussions it seems to me the main issue is what exactly the GNIS term "populated place" means. A quick bit of research, including the GNIS FAQs and other sources describing how the GNIS database was built make it clear: The populated place category means only that the place was shown on a printed topographic map, probably from the 1970s or before. No demographic data involved, despite the poorly chosen term "populated". The place may have been long abandoned by the time the printed map was made. In short, a GNIS populated place may have no residents and may be little more than ruins. Thus GNIS is not a reliable source for current settlements. It is, however, a reliable source for settlements with the caveat that they may be ghost towns or ruins today. Former settlements can be quite notable, of course. Even places that were little more than mining camps or railroad sidings can have rich histories. My point is that a GNIS populated place entry may not be a settlement today, but may still be highly notable. Additional sources would be important--but may not always be easy to find, especially for long-abandoned short-lived places. Searching the web and finding nothing does not mean sources do not exist. Still, a GNIS populated place reference by itself says very little. It does not even indicate a present-day population. Pfly ( talk) 09:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I thought members of this WikiProject might be interested in the discussion beginning here on the Village Pump. It is regarding incorporating information from the 2010 Census into all of the corresponding city and CDP articles on Wikipedia. Killiondude ( talk) 04:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
For alumni of schools there are specific citation requirements. It must be properly cited that the alumni attended that school and if no wikipedia article exists for that person there must also be a citation proving notability (can potentially be the same reference).
Is there a similar citation requirement for Notable Residents within city articles? I thought there was but I can't find it. If there is currently no requirement, shouldn't there be a written policy that requires Notable Residents to be properly cited that they A) did reside there and B) that they meet minimum notability requirements (if no Wikipedia article exists that already proves notability)?
-- Fife Club ( talk) 16:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I visited the "fort" yesterday. It is actually a building that was once surrounded by a stockade. According to the guide, the building had been moved a short distance, probably in the 19th century. In any case, it is no longer being used as a residence, which the Fort Ashby article erroneously states. Jafriers ( talk) 12:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Louisville, Kentucky for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey ( cricket photo poll!) paid editing=POV 01:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Currently, this wikiproject has two primary templates that are used to guide editors into building good articles about cities -- WP:USCITY covers cities in the United States and WP:UKCITIES covers cities in the United Kingdom. Unfortunately, there are cities all over the world in the other 150+ or so nations on Earth, so two templates doesn't exactly cut it. While the US guideline can help with articles in Canada & Mexico to a degree, and the UK guideline can help articles in other European nations, there's not a whole lot out there to help guide editors working on cities in Africa, South America, or Asia (I suppose the UK guideline could help somewhat with Australian cities).
Perhaps we should consider ways to either consolidate the two primary guidelines into one world city guideline, or develop some newer, regional-based guides for cities in other nations. For example, the WP:USCITY guide would become a North American guide, the WP:UKCITIES guide would become a European city guide, and then develop guides for Asia, Africa, South America, etc. What do editors think about this? Dr. Cash ( talk) 20:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
If the template is to be altered, how about adding an entry for local media that cover the area of the seettlement. This would provide a reader with links to websites with info that may be useful. As regards the discussion over national usages, other templates offer multiple lines from which an editor can select the appropriate entry for the subject or the version of English. Folks at 137 ( talk) 21:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I would like to bring everyone's attention to these edits. The user is just slapping an OR tag on (seemingly) every notable residents section s/he comes across. To me, this seems a tad disruptive. I myself have placed cleanup tags on articles before, but never close to this amount of articles. Killiondude ( talk) 20:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
There's actually a current discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Guideline#Natives and residents to try and figure out if and/or how to adjust the guideline. Folks might be interested in checking that out. Dr. Cash ( talk) 20:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Alamogordo, New Mexico is undergoing peer review. I have polished the article, with special attention to the guidelines at WP:USCITY, and would appreciate any comments regarding this or any other aspect of the article. You can comment at Wikipedia:Peer review/Alamogordo, New Mexico/archive1. Thanks. -- Uncia ( talk) 23:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
This article was recently created by an editor who means well and has done a lot to the Akron, Ohio article. My concern here is excessive amounts of trivia. One section, for instance, lists virtually every instance where Akron has been mentioned or featured in television and film. I would appreciate any help from other experienced editors at the Talk:Culture of Akron, Ohio page or in the article itself. Thanks -- JonRidinger ( talk) 21:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the article which you can see at Talk:Northeast Philadelphia/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. You are being notified as the talk page has a banner for this project. Thanks, GaryColemanFan ( talk) 06:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
We seem to be having some trouble choosing which photo to use for the lead image for the Berlin article. See the discussion here. Basically one group feels that a photo from 2006 is more artistically pleasing. The other group feels that since the 2006 photo shows the Palace of the Republic, it is out of date and should be replaced with a photo from 2009. Please provide further input. Thanks! imars ( talk) 19:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I am looking for advice regarding Wikipedia:WikiProject District of Columbia - Several users there said that they do not wish to have the project's scope cover DC suburbs (using any definition), and one user suggested starting a parallel DC area WikiProject. I argued that having the DC project extend to NOVA and the Maryland burbs would make the project stronger; other US city projects cover suburbs (the exception I can think of is NYC, which covers a city of 8 million). Anyway, would the Cities project recommend having parallel DC only and DC area WikiProjects? Why or why not? WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
In the guidelines to writing about cities and countries we tend to provide suggestions that information about the origin of the name / the etymology is given in the history section, and - if there is enough material - that a sub-section can be created. In usage some editors prefer that the etymology details be placed in their own section - which is fine if there is enough data to justify it, and the information may be found reasonably interesting or useful to the average reader. But the question now arises as where to place a stand alone Etymology section. I often find them placed as the first section - ahead of the History section - and there is a part of me which can see the logic of that. However, there is a greater logic in having the history section first, as that is the first section that readers would expect - it is generally what encyclopedias do, and the history always comes before the name (I suppose there may be settlements and countries which were named before they existed, but these must be very rare!). Where etymologies are usually placed in dictionaries and references books is at the end of the entry - and that may be where someone interested in the etymology may be expecting to look. There may be other options as to where to place the etymology, and it would be useful to get some opinions and revisit the guidelines to make things clearer. As a starting point, here are four suggestions:
I will copy this to other related WikiProjects. SilkTork * YES! 10:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
As I've looked around, I've noticed some weird ways of showing where a city or town is located. The cities in Massachusetts that I deal with such as Melrose, Massachusetts have a map that makes it very easy to identify where the city is with respect to Massachusetts as a whole. Since most people know the shapes of the states and how they relate to the country as a whole, this is a very good way of depicting the location. There seems to be a ton of articles such as West Hempstead, New York, that show a census map. For someone who does not live in the area (or any of the surrounding communities) that map is useless. There is no landmarks to use to gauge the position. If there isn't already a convention for these maps, I urge this project to draft one. The map like that of Melrose is imo the best type. Grk1011/Stephen ( talk) 03:10, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Using this word automatically to mean population should stop IMO. "Largest" could also mean area. The word should be modified unless it is clear in context. "Largest area" or "biggest population." Student7 ( talk) 16:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I want to make one for Hall, New York. Every other little town and city has one. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 00:53, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Springfield, Illinois has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 19:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Which is the better one to use, "Sister City" or "Twin City"? Both are used and to me it doesn't look good (See London, New York City and Odessa for three different). Is there any consensus on which one to use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.227.58.24 ( talk) 08:58, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Would this WikiProject be interested in take up the use of this template? It is a "request box created in 2006 by an editor who was working to add climate sections to articles about geographical regions", and is currently nominated for deletion due to non-use, but the nominator stated he would withdraw the nomination if someone is willing to take up use of the template. Ks0stm ( T• C• G) 21:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Can someone from this project take a look at Template_talk:GR#Too_vague. and Template_talk:GR#Page_needed? This involves adding {{ page needed}} tags to a template that is transcluded on tens of thousands of city articles. Kaldari ( talk) 20:32, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I was tidying up the Morodvis article, but I cannot get the pushpin map to work.
I looked at the Ohrid and the Skopje articles, which also use Template:Location map Republic of Macedonia, and the markup appears to be correct, but no map is showing up!
Any help would be much appreciated. -- PhantomSteve/ talk| contribs\ 17:45, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
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Worldenc ( talk · contribs) has created thousands of charts to display some information on thousands (not exaggerating) of articles. They have met some opposition on their talk page, but have also met some people who are in favor of (at least some form) of the charts. Yesterday I had logged on with Worldenc flooding my watchlist when they had added images to many of the pages that I keep watchlisted. Today I log on, and see that Hu12 ( talk · contribs) has rolled backk all of these edits (keep in mind, the edit amount is greater than 2,000 articles) with no apparent discussion. At least none that I could find. According to WP:ROLLBACK#Mass rollbacks (and common courtesy) it is normally standard procedure to discuss in situations like that before doing a massive rollback attempt. In any case, I would like it if we could get some sort of consensus for this, because Worldenc has put so much effort into trying to improve articles, only to have all of his effort removed in one (automated) swoop. I personally like the idea of what Worldenc is trying to accomplish, but there might be a better way to accomplish it. Killiondude ( talk) 20:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC) I'm also going to leave notes on WP:VPM and several users' talk pages who I saw were involved/discussed this topic.
Geneseo, New York is currently a merged article for a town and a village in Livingston County, New York. This is at variance with every other municipality article in New York and the rest of the country: we always have separate articles for separate municipalities, even if they overlap; see Category:Towns in New York, Category:Villages in New York, and similar categories for Vermont (towns and villages) and Wisconsin (cities, towns, and villages) for very similar examples. The merger — enforced by a single editor over the objections of multiple other editors, including me — is that this mailing list discussion trumps our universal practice of separate articles for separate municipalities. If you're not familiar with New York municipality articles, you can read Administrative divisions of New York — essentially, villages are within towns, but there are wide areas in towns that aren't in villages, so this situation doesn't at all resemble a small-scale consolidated city–county. In this specific situation, the village includes less than 7% of the area of the town. Is there any objection to restoring this set of municipalities to the way that every other similar set of municipalities is done? Nyttend ( talk) 05:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
There was a change to Importance ratings proposed on this page ("Slight tweak to Top-priority") that has slipped through, nem con. Did anyone see and think "fair enough"? Or should a proper consensus be formed? I have some issues to the change which the proposer has, in good faith, applied to the affected articles. BTW, other proposals have been made on that page. Folks at 137 ( talk) 15:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that discussion on this topic be consolidated in one place? Either here or at the assessment talk page, but it's hard to follow going back and forth. Sher eth 20:46, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
If we can't fix it to be inclusive, we might as well toss it, I guess Purplebackpack89 ( talk) 21:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Someone just dropped the WP:Featured Article importance of New York City from top to high, on the basis that the WP:Featured article criteria require a top-importance city to be a national capital. There was a discussion of this question a while back (although I can't remember if it was here, at Wikipedia talk:Featured article criteria or Talk:New York City) and I thought the consensus was that this isn't a workable rule, although I don't know if that consensus crystallized into a definite change or redefinition. I think the rule's absurd, because many political capitals, including Washington, D.C., Ottawa, Canberra, Islamabad, Pretoria and Brasilia, were deliberately chosen either to avoid concentration of political power in a city that is already dominant culturally and economically (i.e. the country's most important city), or to appease the rivalry of two such dominant cities. As I understand the reasoning behind the rule, the project members were afraid that without some such rule, half the "top-importance" cities would end up being in the U.S., so there can be no more than one top-importance city per country. But if you had to pick one single, solitary city in the United States to be top-importance, no matter how much you might resent New Yorkers' perceived arrogance, you'd have to pick New York City rather than Washington or Los Angeles; if you had to pick one in Australia, it would have to be Sydney or Melbourne (both of which have hosted Olympic Games) rather than Canberra; and if you had to pick one top-importance city in Canada, it would have to be either Toronto or Montreal and not Ottawa. —— Shakescene ( talk) 22:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
¶ I found the discussion I was thinking of here. There are half a dozen places where this could be (and has been) discussed, so it's no wonder it's so fragmented and confused. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Assessment#Priority Ranking. —— Shakescene ( talk) 23:38, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Interestingly, when you think of it, you could make an argument for New York City as Top-Importance as the headquarters of the United Nations. One could also make a similar argument for The Hague as the headquarters of the International Court of Justice, and possibly Geneva. Dr. Cash ( talk) 17:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
There are many reasons to get rid of the project’s importance rating and few that I can think of to keep it. Does the “importance” have any direct impact on the article? I doubt it. A prime example of the flaw with “importance” ratings is that it generates more heat than light. How with the above sections lead to the improvement of any article? The purpose of importance ratings was to prioritise which articles need attention, but I don’t think it can be argued that they work. The criteria is arbitrary (not something I have a problem with, but something many seem to) and there will always be people asking for it to be widened just a little more. New York’s important, but what about Ravenna? It was the capital of the Western Roman Empire and obviously a very important city, although less so today. The city of Babylon was very important yet isn’t even tagged by this project. The project doesn’t need importance ratings to function, just look at WP:MILHIST. They have avoided this kind of time sink by ditching the whole thing and sticking with simple ratings of article ' 'quality ' ' that assess the article and point out how it needs to be improved.
So let’s admit that the importance rating doesn’t work, generates more heat than light, and should be binned. Discuss. Nev1 ( talk) 23:50, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
One of the bees in my bonnet is the general lack of focus or categorisation in wpcities. If the addition of a capitals=yes parameter is feasible then maybe we can consider further sub-divisions, much as the milhist and biography projects do. Geographical region might be one. Aministrative subdivisions of conurbations might be another. Don't forget that importance isn't purely a matter of population - international repute or profile is another, eg, Oxford or Cambridge or Versailles or Bhopal. If we are changing things a little then perhaps there are other fixes that are feasible. Oh, and please be cautious with the use of the word "cities" since in some countries this has a specific, sometimes legal, meaning and I have to repeatedly advise editors that "cities" = settlements. Thanks. Folks at 137 ( talk) 20:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
And if there are nominations, I nominate the meta non-capitals (NYC and LA in North America; Rio and Sao Paolo in South America; Cape Town and Lagos in Africa; Saint Petersburg and Istanbul in Europe; Sydney in Oceania; and Delhi, Calcutta, Mumbai, Mecca, Hong Kong and Shanghai in Asia). My thoughts Purplebackpack89 ( talk) 22:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
We need sub-categories in a variety of areas. Here are some that have come up
Purplebackpack89 ( talk) 00:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I think what we should do is to create two additional parameters for the WP:CITIES banner: (1) capital and (2) region.
The, capital parameter would be set to either:
The region parameter would be set to either:
If categories don't already exist for each of these, then they should be created (e.g. Category:National Capitals). Dr. Cash ( talk) 16:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
San Juan, Puerto Rico has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 02:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Anyone who could help at Akron, Ohio would be greatly appreciated. The article is in pretty bad shape and desperately needs more experienced and steady editors who know Wikipedia policies and the general guidelines of this Wiki Project. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 02:04, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Near South Side, Chicago has a Good Article Reassessment here. GamerPro64 ( talk) 22:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi! User:UsagiM started a discussion about whether to mention a marina in Kemah, Texas in its article. Please see User_talk:UsagiM#Boardwalk and User_talk:WhisperToMe#Kemah.2C_Texas. WhisperToMe ( talk) 20:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello, members of WikiProject Cities and others. Nightscream proposed starting this thread due to a dispute he's had with another editor at the Union City, New Jersey article. The dispute is over the inclusion of a section detailing notable portrayals of Union City in media. Nightscream contends that these examples merit inclusion because they are sourced and of greater importance, while Djflem argues that these examples are trivia and belong in other sections, if anywhere. Because this applies to city articles in general and not just the Union City page, and because I was unable to find a previous discussion about this in the WT:CITIES and WT:NJ archives, I'm starting this thread. It's worth noting that there was some discussion about this back in 2006 at FAC.
Discuss away. A Stop at Willoughby ( talk) 16:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
FYI:Here is the link to the current edit: Union City, New Jersey#Media, which I believe sufficiently covers the fact that some movies were shot in town. Djflem ( talk) 21:24, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there a reason many of the US cities' articles ( Houston, Atlanta etc) don't actually show where they are in the US? I presume this has already been discussed, but I can't find any guidelines/reasons for it. This doesn't seem to be the case for Australia, China or anywhere else. It seems a bit strange to force people to combine two different maps (the one for Houston and the one for Texas for example) on two different pages in their heads. yandman 00:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
See here, if you have any opinion on the matter. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Not sure what the protocol is for asking for comment, but I made a proposal on the Village Pump on which some Cities contributors could likely give profitable feedback. In brief, I found the series of articles listing the most populous cities in a country, such as Largest cities in Indonesia, List of United States cities by population, and their associated categories, to be something of a mess. - Regards, PhilipR ( talk) 07:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)