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Though much of this relatively lengthy thread is well-intentioned, there doesn't seem a reason to keep it open when (a) it's still unclear as to why it's a matter that needs addressing here rather than Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style, and (b) it's been plagued by off-topic arguments about editor behavior and personal affronts -- and shows no signs of moving back into productive territory. No objections if someone wants to unhat to continue discussion, but at this point it might even be more effective to start a new section. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Chess books have traditionally used the masculine pronoun when referring to an indeterminate player, e.g. an article on an opening variation might say "White will have trouble maintaining his pawn centre". This no longer seems appropriate. A few alternatives to consider:
I must admit I don't like assuming anyone's gender; I don't do it in everyday life and I don't do it here. I also don't see a valid alternative to your final example, which avoids a lot of clumsiness. There are times it won't read right first time, but you can usually tweak it to make it sound reasonable. Fortunately, I mostly write about specific players and so it's rarely an issue for me. Brittle heaven ( talk) 11:51, 22 January 2014 (UTC) Generally speaking, Max is right. What the majority of sources say is not relevant when what's at stake is not the meaning of the sentence but the stylistic choices involved in its presentation. We update language all the time when it doesn't significantly affect meaning simply because as an encyclopedia it should reflect our understanding of time-indifferent subjects in the language used today. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Gender-neutral language: "Use gender-neutral language where this can be done with clarity and precision. This does not apply to direct quotations or the titles of works [...] or to wording about one-gender contexts." Even if chess was far and away a male-dominated game (even more so than it is now), the latter is not applicable as it's not a strictly single-gender context. If quoting, use what the source says, otherwise if gender-neutral language is possible use it. Whether or not those who wrote the MOS play chess is not relevant as we're not talking about anything technical. All of the examples provided thus far might as well be talking about chemistry, tigers, beer, or painting. It's often challenging to do in certain sentences regarding all subjects. --— Rhododendrites talk | 06:48, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Some real-life examples
Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 19:28, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Stating above as you did that "It is illegal for a player to make a move that would put or leave own king in check." is better than the original "It is illegal for a player to make a move that would put or leave his own king in check." informs me that your English is subpar.
Ihardlythinkso (
talk) 00:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC) p.s.
Some thoughts on the points raised:
MaxBrowne ( talk) 02:23, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
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Available here: http://www.theweekinchess.com/html/
Can use this to fix any broken TWIC links; archiving is recommended as the URL for TWIC has changed several times already. MaxBrowne ( talk) 06:56, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
I've begun the above, but I'm not familiar with the sources you would use to find info on his chess career - can anyone here help? -- S.G.(GH) ping! 19:07, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
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FIDE now spells her name Lagno. Which spelling does she use herself, and which spelling do chess publications like TWIC, chessbase, NIC, chessvibes etc use? Have any of them changed their editorial policy? The "g" spelling is more consistent with the Ukrainian, however the pronunciation is like a voiced version of the German "ch". A move may be appropriate if we can establish that the "g" spelling is now the most widely accepted. MaxBrowne ( talk) 08:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
One editor has just added a table of "Blitz results" to the ZCC article, and included blitz FIDE ratings in it. However, that editor also added classical rankings to that table. This should be fixed, I believe. Toccata quarta ( talk) 13:51, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
As a result of several discussions here ond on WP:VPT, i created "the full monty" demo page on test wikipedia here: [1].
The thing requires non-negligible real estate plot on the the page, so I do not believe it can be viewed as "chess diagram on steroids": the whole thing includes the board, some controls below the board, the algebraic game notation to the right, and the game details on the left.
The flip side of this coin is that the same lot on the page can be used to package many games, so a whole competition, or a whole round in a multi-player competition can be displayed by a single "pgn viewer".
The idea is to use it as a better ""Games" section, like, e.g., Pirc Defence#Sample games.
This demo took into account comments of several users - in round#1 I modified the controls and what they can do (for instance, I never thought that a "one step back" button is required - the functionality can be realized by clicking on the previous move in the algebraic notation display. I still do not think it's needed, but based on some users' comments, I added it anyway).
In round #2, I added better support for the editor to control what to display for users without Javascript enabled.
The technical details are discussed in the demo page linked above. I also imported some chess-related stuff to test wiki, like {{ Chess diagram}}, so people who want to experiment with the template.
The ultimate goal of all this, of course, is to decide if we want this in enwiki.
peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) ( talk) 23:20, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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Do we really need them? MaxBrowne ( talk) 13:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't think any Wikipedian is really in a position to call people taking on the tedious duty of updating chess histories "fanboys" in a marginalizing kind of way, though. :) If someone wants to check Nakamura's FIDE records each month to update this information that doesn't strike me as such a bad thing. It's not all inclusive, of course, but perhaps reliable sources would be required for anything not reported by FIDE. Hard to call these games indiscriminate when each one of the matches and high-profile tournaments (those that would concern top players) is the subject of significant third party coverage. --— Rhododendrites talk | 14:37, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
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I've just come across the article 2014 European Individual Chess Championship. It contains almost no information and zero references. Help in improving the article is welcome. Toccata quarta ( talk) 12:43, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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Revised FIDE Laws of Chess effective 1 July 2014. Changes highlighted in yellow in this pdf. Regards, Sun Creator( talk) 13:46, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't know much about this topic, but one editor is claiming that the evidence that Grace Alekhine was Jewish is inconclusive. That statement, if nothing else, contradicts the article Alexander Alekhine. Toccata quarta ( talk) 07:44, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Currently the World Championship articles, e.g. World Chess Championship 1951 describe the entire cycle, rather than just the world championship match itself. In my opinion the qualification processes (i.e. zonals, interzonals, candidates tournaments/matches) should have separate articles. I'm going to start by writing an article on the 1948 Saltsjöbaden interzonal, including details of the rather chaotic selection process. The German wikipedia article looks like a good start. MaxBrowne ( talk) 00:15, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
They're rubbish. MaxBrowne ( talk) 02:42, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
I've been doing a little work to atomic chess and decided to add a couple diagrams. So far so good.
Given the radically different capturing mechanics it also seemed like a good idea to demonstrate via animation. So I made Image:Atomic capture.gif and added it to the page. Unfortunately, the off-wiki diagram creator I used looks different from those generated by Template:Chess diagram, raising stylistic red flags.
Question 1: Is there a chess diagram manual of style?
Question 2: Are there standard tools people use to create diagrams other than Template:Chess diagram? Thinking specifically of animations.
Question 3: What precedent is there for use of animated gifs? In general I know they have been used but most people urge displaying them sparingly (since it's distracting and can get messy).
I'm seeing bits of discussion on both of these taking place on several talk pages, so though I'd just come here to find out what's definitive. Apologies if answers are somewhere obvious and I just didn't see. --— Rhododendrites talk | 01:55, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone have access to an actual paper ECO 5 volume set? It's more or less obsolete in the database era and the last edition was poorly received (just recycled informants) so not many people have it anymore but anyway... I'm wondering if it mentions the Diemer-Duhm Gambit, which can arise out of either the French Defence (1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e4) or less commonly out of the Queen's Gambit (1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.e4). It could be classified under French Defence, ECO code C00 or Queen's Gambit Declined, ECO code D30. Does it have an "official" ECO classification or should we just say in the article that it could be classified under either code? There's also a similar Gambit in the Caro-Kann with 3.e4. MaxBrowne ( talk) 02:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
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Would he qualify as notable enough for an English wikipedia article? He's an IM, did well at the 1977, 1978 and 1979 world junior championships, played in several Danish Championships (best result 2nd in 1982), played for Denmark in a few olympiads. He just came to my attention after his recent upset win over Jan Timman in the Politiken cup (as I write he shares the lead with 4/4). Peak rating is about 2450 which is average IM, but he may qualify as notable for being one of the strongest Danish players during the 70s-90s. Polish wikipedia has an article, curiously Danish wikipedia doesn't. https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Ove_Fries-Nielsen MaxBrowne ( talk) 11:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Talk:Kasparov versus the World MaxBrowne ( talk) 03:28, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Should citing Ishi Press reissues be treated as spam? For example the Paul Keres article includes several references to Ishi Press reissues of Keres' books. Ishi Press has reissued dozens of old chess books, but the connection to all round dodgy guy Sam Sloan is troubling. MaxBrowne ( talk) 05:39, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Does this infobox have any use, anymore? It is up for deletion. —PC -XT + 08:48, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Use of frac template about whether we should use 4½/6 or 41⁄2/6 for scoring. Stepho talk 04:12, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I attach the games of the World Chess Championship 2012. In the English wikipedia you had to write the games down, add diagrams and so on, on the Hebrew wikipedia there is a fantastic tool that was developped two years ago - have a look at the demo: HE:משתמש:Yoavd/chessdemo.
The tool was offered to you by the developper, a very dedicated wikipedian, but maybe you did not look at all the options.
I am interested in your view. You can scroll down all the games, then the fast games.
-- Yoavd ( talk) 12:04, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Anyone want to take a stab at this? I'm no chess expert. Cannolis ( talk) 12:59, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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Dear chess experts: This old AfC submission will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable player, and should the page be kept and improved instead? — Anne Delong ( talk) 00:04, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Most of our older articles on tournaments have them, but they are problematic, particularly in tournaments involving citizens of a certain country between 1933 and 1945. The choice of flag in these cases is inconsistent, sometimes just plain wrong, and has the potential to give offence.
Sonja Graf was clearly not a Nazi, but she was a citizen of Nazi Germany. In the Buenos Aires 1939 chess tournament article she is given the flag of the Weimar Republic, which wasn't in use at the time.
This crosstable puts the dreaded swastika next to the name of Efim Bogolyubov, who may or may not have had Nazi sympathies.
This crosstable uses the flag of the German Empire for Lasker and Bogolyubov, which is just plain wrong any way you look at it.
Simplest solution - just stop using flags in tournament crosstables. For Germany between 1933-45, just write "Germany" (rather than "Nazi Germany" as in this crosstable) for the country. MaxBrowne ( talk) 12:02, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
I am well aware that not every German citizen during that period was a Nazi or a Nazi supporter. However, the correct flag to represent thoser people is the German flag from that time - and I would even support putting it on names of any Righteous Among the Nations who happened to represent Germany during that time. I would make an exception for BLPs who make an explicit request otherwise, but that isn't the case with Nazi Germany. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 18:31, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
It will be clear to regular editors that the George Salmon page is often edited by unregistered users (probably the same person actually) as a joke. It was funny the first time but this is happening a lot and its a pain to undo each time. Would somebody please semi-protect this page to nip this in the bud. Jkmaskell ( talk) 09:13, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm curious as to how everyone feels about what is known as "proseline", with articles that are neither prose nor timeline. Many articles have each year as a section with prose detailing each tournament within them. The most prominent example of this is Magnus Carlsen where this was brought up on it's talk page to no firm conclusion. Of course there is no Wikipedia Policy on this, but it would be good to know what the general feeling is about developing articles in this respect. For myself, clearly I'm not keen on it, as it just seems to be a little lazy. Jkmaskell ( talk) 13:49, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
As I noted on my talk page discussion with User:Clemwang, there are many people on this list who probably would not be happy about being described as "Russian". That got me thinking, why do we even need this article? We already have Category:Russian chess players. Maybe the best solution is just to delete this article, and let people argue whether or not Category:Russian chess players is appropriate for individual players? MaxBrowne ( talk) 02:01, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
This draft is awaiting review at WP:AfC and I am not familiar with your inclusion guidelines. My gut instinct is that it should be failed as a not notable person, or on a lack of sources, the history looks like a list of youth achievements with few as an adult. If anyone wants to leave some notes on the draft's talk page or take control that would be good. Rankersbo ( talk) 07:48, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
I think he qualifies for an article, not so much as a player (he was strong but not exceptional) but as a writer. He has an article on the Russian wikipedia. I'm just wondering whether he should be named as "Iakov Damsky" or "Yakov Damsky". "Yakov" would be the normal transliteration (Russian letter "Я") but for some reason "Iakov" has been used more frequently in English ( here, for example). In the Mikhail Tal article both spellings are used, so we should probably decide on one or the other and stick with it. MaxBrowne ( talk) 10:38, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
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Though much of this relatively lengthy thread is well-intentioned, there doesn't seem a reason to keep it open when (a) it's still unclear as to why it's a matter that needs addressing here rather than Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style, and (b) it's been plagued by off-topic arguments about editor behavior and personal affronts -- and shows no signs of moving back into productive territory. No objections if someone wants to unhat to continue discussion, but at this point it might even be more effective to start a new section. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Chess books have traditionally used the masculine pronoun when referring to an indeterminate player, e.g. an article on an opening variation might say "White will have trouble maintaining his pawn centre". This no longer seems appropriate. A few alternatives to consider:
I must admit I don't like assuming anyone's gender; I don't do it in everyday life and I don't do it here. I also don't see a valid alternative to your final example, which avoids a lot of clumsiness. There are times it won't read right first time, but you can usually tweak it to make it sound reasonable. Fortunately, I mostly write about specific players and so it's rarely an issue for me. Brittle heaven ( talk) 11:51, 22 January 2014 (UTC) Generally speaking, Max is right. What the majority of sources say is not relevant when what's at stake is not the meaning of the sentence but the stylistic choices involved in its presentation. We update language all the time when it doesn't significantly affect meaning simply because as an encyclopedia it should reflect our understanding of time-indifferent subjects in the language used today. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Gender-neutral language: "Use gender-neutral language where this can be done with clarity and precision. This does not apply to direct quotations or the titles of works [...] or to wording about one-gender contexts." Even if chess was far and away a male-dominated game (even more so than it is now), the latter is not applicable as it's not a strictly single-gender context. If quoting, use what the source says, otherwise if gender-neutral language is possible use it. Whether or not those who wrote the MOS play chess is not relevant as we're not talking about anything technical. All of the examples provided thus far might as well be talking about chemistry, tigers, beer, or painting. It's often challenging to do in certain sentences regarding all subjects. --— Rhododendrites talk | 06:48, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Some real-life examples
Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 19:28, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Stating above as you did that "It is illegal for a player to make a move that would put or leave own king in check." is better than the original "It is illegal for a player to make a move that would put or leave his own king in check." informs me that your English is subpar.
Ihardlythinkso (
talk) 00:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC) p.s.
Some thoughts on the points raised:
MaxBrowne ( talk) 02:23, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
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Available here: http://www.theweekinchess.com/html/
Can use this to fix any broken TWIC links; archiving is recommended as the URL for TWIC has changed several times already. MaxBrowne ( talk) 06:56, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
I've begun the above, but I'm not familiar with the sources you would use to find info on his chess career - can anyone here help? -- S.G.(GH) ping! 19:07, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
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FIDE now spells her name Lagno. Which spelling does she use herself, and which spelling do chess publications like TWIC, chessbase, NIC, chessvibes etc use? Have any of them changed their editorial policy? The "g" spelling is more consistent with the Ukrainian, however the pronunciation is like a voiced version of the German "ch". A move may be appropriate if we can establish that the "g" spelling is now the most widely accepted. MaxBrowne ( talk) 08:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
One editor has just added a table of "Blitz results" to the ZCC article, and included blitz FIDE ratings in it. However, that editor also added classical rankings to that table. This should be fixed, I believe. Toccata quarta ( talk) 13:51, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
As a result of several discussions here ond on WP:VPT, i created "the full monty" demo page on test wikipedia here: [1].
The thing requires non-negligible real estate plot on the the page, so I do not believe it can be viewed as "chess diagram on steroids": the whole thing includes the board, some controls below the board, the algebraic game notation to the right, and the game details on the left.
The flip side of this coin is that the same lot on the page can be used to package many games, so a whole competition, or a whole round in a multi-player competition can be displayed by a single "pgn viewer".
The idea is to use it as a better ""Games" section, like, e.g., Pirc Defence#Sample games.
This demo took into account comments of several users - in round#1 I modified the controls and what they can do (for instance, I never thought that a "one step back" button is required - the functionality can be realized by clicking on the previous move in the algebraic notation display. I still do not think it's needed, but based on some users' comments, I added it anyway).
In round #2, I added better support for the editor to control what to display for users without Javascript enabled.
The technical details are discussed in the demo page linked above. I also imported some chess-related stuff to test wiki, like {{ Chess diagram}}, so people who want to experiment with the template.
The ultimate goal of all this, of course, is to decide if we want this in enwiki.
peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) ( talk) 23:20, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
FYI a wikiproject for shogi has been proposed. See the proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Shogi -- 70.24.244.161 ( talk) 05:36, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Do we really need them? MaxBrowne ( talk) 13:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't think any Wikipedian is really in a position to call people taking on the tedious duty of updating chess histories "fanboys" in a marginalizing kind of way, though. :) If someone wants to check Nakamura's FIDE records each month to update this information that doesn't strike me as such a bad thing. It's not all inclusive, of course, but perhaps reliable sources would be required for anything not reported by FIDE. Hard to call these games indiscriminate when each one of the matches and high-profile tournaments (those that would concern top players) is the subject of significant third party coverage. --— Rhododendrites talk | 14:37, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
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I've just come across the article 2014 European Individual Chess Championship. It contains almost no information and zero references. Help in improving the article is welcome. Toccata quarta ( talk) 12:43, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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Revised FIDE Laws of Chess effective 1 July 2014. Changes highlighted in yellow in this pdf. Regards, Sun Creator( talk) 13:46, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't know much about this topic, but one editor is claiming that the evidence that Grace Alekhine was Jewish is inconclusive. That statement, if nothing else, contradicts the article Alexander Alekhine. Toccata quarta ( talk) 07:44, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Currently the World Championship articles, e.g. World Chess Championship 1951 describe the entire cycle, rather than just the world championship match itself. In my opinion the qualification processes (i.e. zonals, interzonals, candidates tournaments/matches) should have separate articles. I'm going to start by writing an article on the 1948 Saltsjöbaden interzonal, including details of the rather chaotic selection process. The German wikipedia article looks like a good start. MaxBrowne ( talk) 00:15, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
They're rubbish. MaxBrowne ( talk) 02:42, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
I've been doing a little work to atomic chess and decided to add a couple diagrams. So far so good.
Given the radically different capturing mechanics it also seemed like a good idea to demonstrate via animation. So I made Image:Atomic capture.gif and added it to the page. Unfortunately, the off-wiki diagram creator I used looks different from those generated by Template:Chess diagram, raising stylistic red flags.
Question 1: Is there a chess diagram manual of style?
Question 2: Are there standard tools people use to create diagrams other than Template:Chess diagram? Thinking specifically of animations.
Question 3: What precedent is there for use of animated gifs? In general I know they have been used but most people urge displaying them sparingly (since it's distracting and can get messy).
I'm seeing bits of discussion on both of these taking place on several talk pages, so though I'd just come here to find out what's definitive. Apologies if answers are somewhere obvious and I just didn't see. --— Rhododendrites talk | 01:55, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone have access to an actual paper ECO 5 volume set? It's more or less obsolete in the database era and the last edition was poorly received (just recycled informants) so not many people have it anymore but anyway... I'm wondering if it mentions the Diemer-Duhm Gambit, which can arise out of either the French Defence (1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e4) or less commonly out of the Queen's Gambit (1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.e4). It could be classified under French Defence, ECO code C00 or Queen's Gambit Declined, ECO code D30. Does it have an "official" ECO classification or should we just say in the article that it could be classified under either code? There's also a similar Gambit in the Caro-Kann with 3.e4. MaxBrowne ( talk) 02:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
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Would he qualify as notable enough for an English wikipedia article? He's an IM, did well at the 1977, 1978 and 1979 world junior championships, played in several Danish Championships (best result 2nd in 1982), played for Denmark in a few olympiads. He just came to my attention after his recent upset win over Jan Timman in the Politiken cup (as I write he shares the lead with 4/4). Peak rating is about 2450 which is average IM, but he may qualify as notable for being one of the strongest Danish players during the 70s-90s. Polish wikipedia has an article, curiously Danish wikipedia doesn't. https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Ove_Fries-Nielsen MaxBrowne ( talk) 11:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Talk:Kasparov versus the World MaxBrowne ( talk) 03:28, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Should citing Ishi Press reissues be treated as spam? For example the Paul Keres article includes several references to Ishi Press reissues of Keres' books. Ishi Press has reissued dozens of old chess books, but the connection to all round dodgy guy Sam Sloan is troubling. MaxBrowne ( talk) 05:39, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Does this infobox have any use, anymore? It is up for deletion. —PC -XT + 08:48, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Use of frac template about whether we should use 4½/6 or 41⁄2/6 for scoring. Stepho talk 04:12, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I attach the games of the World Chess Championship 2012. In the English wikipedia you had to write the games down, add diagrams and so on, on the Hebrew wikipedia there is a fantastic tool that was developped two years ago - have a look at the demo: HE:משתמש:Yoavd/chessdemo.
The tool was offered to you by the developper, a very dedicated wikipedian, but maybe you did not look at all the options.
I am interested in your view. You can scroll down all the games, then the fast games.
-- Yoavd ( talk) 12:04, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Anyone want to take a stab at this? I'm no chess expert. Cannolis ( talk) 12:59, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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Dear chess experts: This old AfC submission will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable player, and should the page be kept and improved instead? — Anne Delong ( talk) 00:04, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Most of our older articles on tournaments have them, but they are problematic, particularly in tournaments involving citizens of a certain country between 1933 and 1945. The choice of flag in these cases is inconsistent, sometimes just plain wrong, and has the potential to give offence.
Sonja Graf was clearly not a Nazi, but she was a citizen of Nazi Germany. In the Buenos Aires 1939 chess tournament article she is given the flag of the Weimar Republic, which wasn't in use at the time.
This crosstable puts the dreaded swastika next to the name of Efim Bogolyubov, who may or may not have had Nazi sympathies.
This crosstable uses the flag of the German Empire for Lasker and Bogolyubov, which is just plain wrong any way you look at it.
Simplest solution - just stop using flags in tournament crosstables. For Germany between 1933-45, just write "Germany" (rather than "Nazi Germany" as in this crosstable) for the country. MaxBrowne ( talk) 12:02, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
I am well aware that not every German citizen during that period was a Nazi or a Nazi supporter. However, the correct flag to represent thoser people is the German flag from that time - and I would even support putting it on names of any Righteous Among the Nations who happened to represent Germany during that time. I would make an exception for BLPs who make an explicit request otherwise, but that isn't the case with Nazi Germany. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 18:31, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
It will be clear to regular editors that the George Salmon page is often edited by unregistered users (probably the same person actually) as a joke. It was funny the first time but this is happening a lot and its a pain to undo each time. Would somebody please semi-protect this page to nip this in the bud. Jkmaskell ( talk) 09:13, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm curious as to how everyone feels about what is known as "proseline", with articles that are neither prose nor timeline. Many articles have each year as a section with prose detailing each tournament within them. The most prominent example of this is Magnus Carlsen where this was brought up on it's talk page to no firm conclusion. Of course there is no Wikipedia Policy on this, but it would be good to know what the general feeling is about developing articles in this respect. For myself, clearly I'm not keen on it, as it just seems to be a little lazy. Jkmaskell ( talk) 13:49, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
As I noted on my talk page discussion with User:Clemwang, there are many people on this list who probably would not be happy about being described as "Russian". That got me thinking, why do we even need this article? We already have Category:Russian chess players. Maybe the best solution is just to delete this article, and let people argue whether or not Category:Russian chess players is appropriate for individual players? MaxBrowne ( talk) 02:01, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
This draft is awaiting review at WP:AfC and I am not familiar with your inclusion guidelines. My gut instinct is that it should be failed as a not notable person, or on a lack of sources, the history looks like a list of youth achievements with few as an adult. If anyone wants to leave some notes on the draft's talk page or take control that would be good. Rankersbo ( talk) 07:48, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
I think he qualifies for an article, not so much as a player (he was strong but not exceptional) but as a writer. He has an article on the Russian wikipedia. I'm just wondering whether he should be named as "Iakov Damsky" or "Yakov Damsky". "Yakov" would be the normal transliteration (Russian letter "Я") but for some reason "Iakov" has been used more frequently in English ( here, for example). In the Mikhail Tal article both spellings are used, so we should probably decide on one or the other and stick with it. MaxBrowne ( talk) 10:38, 13 November 2014 (UTC)