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Shouldn't we be using the actual FIDE acronym (Fédération Internationale des Échecs) rather than (International Chess Federation)?
Are there any plans/interest to bring this article back to FA? It seems on first glance to have a solid enough foundation, and has interested editors working on it. Might be near GA level already Horsesizedduck ( talk) 18:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Recent changes have restored citations of Leibs and of Estes and Robinson to the discussion of the origins of chess, in Chess, History of Chess, and Chaturanga. These two books are not reliable secondary sources on questions about the origins of chess. We evaluated them in January 2021, as well as some other sources, and here is the assessment (copied from Talk:Chess/Archive 10#"Years active" in the infobox):
Bruce leverett ( talk) 03:57, 9 June 2023 (UTC)He is generally taken to have written the work in the second quarter of the seventh century.[1] However, scholar Maan Singh has stated that he was a courtier of the Gupta emperors Kumaragupta I (414-455) and Skandagupta (455-467), dating him between 385 and 465 AD.[2]
I will be reverting the recent changes to those three articles that re-introduced the citations of Leibs and of Estes and Robinson. Bruce leverett ( talk) 04:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Why is it named fivefold and all the links send you to threefold? Am I missing something or should it be changed to threefold? MiniFlux ( talk) 21:42, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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“Always” is not true at all. There are absolutely people who refer to it as red/white when the set is red and white. I have heard it myself from other people when playing with these boards. None of you have managed to provide a genuine justification for why “always” is correct. This is because it isn’t correct. While I accept that 99% of the time they’ll say red/black, the fact that any outliers exist proves it should say mostly or usually rather than every single time. I’m fed up of you reverting the edit and saying “yes it is always actually because so there” when there are obvious exceptions. Need an example? Alice in Wonderland (2010) red and white board, referred to as red/white. Based on Lewis Carroll’s Alice through the looking glass, same matter. While there are more examples, they aren’t relevant, since ANY example of an outlier disproves the “always” case. Don’t be silly now please. CitrusSoEpic ( talk) 18:23, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
User:MaxBrowne2 has improved the text while neatly circumventing the above arguments. But this is reminding me of two related issues. First is that with actual chess sets, color is not always crucial, e.g. crusaders vs. Saracens. Second is that we perhaps should make it clearer that any discussion of chess set appearance and/or aesthetics is not, by definition, a discussion of chess. Bruce leverett ( talk) 18:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
A few image issues in this article. The MOS asks to avoid image sandwiching— WP:SANDWICH—and at the moment the Setup section (yes one is not an image, but it creates the same issue of squeezed text) includes such an issue, as does the "Post-World War II era" section.
Re this reversion, the Public chess tables in Paris currently appears rather irrelevantly in the Rules section. How it properly supports the line "chess is one of the world's most popular games, played by millions of people worldwide" (claimed in the reversion's edit summary) I have no idea, as said line appears four paragraphs earlier, i.e. no where near it. I suggest removing it.
Additionally, there are numerous section which would benefit from media of some kind, i.e. much of Theory and the later history section. Aza24 (talk) 18:40, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
I reverted this edit by Amshpee that had no WP:RS. However, I do agree that there are tournaments that are faster than 10 minutes. I have played in them! I have never heard of a bullet chess (1 min.) tournament in person. Of course, there are such tournaments like that online all the time. We need better WP:RS in the article if we are going to correct the info. box. We might need to distinguish in-person tournaments from online tournaments in the description in the info box. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 20:59, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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Change:"The rules of chess as they are known today emerged in Europe at the end of the 15th century, with standardization and universal acceptance by the end of the 19th century. Today, chess is one of the world's most popular games, and is played by millions of people worldwide."
To:"The rules of chess as they are known today emerged in Europe at the end of the 15th century, with standardization and universal acceptance by the end of the 19th century. Today, chess is one of the world's most popular games, and is played by hundreds of millions of people worldwide." JosiahAntonini ( talk) 02:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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I'm changing, this image (in the right) presents a chessboard with a refined clarity that surpasses its predecessor. By eliminating background distractions, the photograph emphasizes the authenticity of the chess pieces, particularly the knights, which are positioned as though captured from an actual match. The standard colors of the pieces are vivid yet tasteful, enhancing the overall aesthetic without detracting from the seriousness of the game. The quality of the image itself is superior, offering a crisp, detailed view that allows for a thoughtful analysis of the game's potential complexities.
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I agree with Bruce leverett about the photo. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Replace "White moves first, followed by Black." with "The lighter colour moves, followed by the darker one.". It is more accurate. You could also add to this saying "This is because, during the ancient times that chess was invented, the darker colours were believed to have more power and luck than the lighter colours, hence they were given the first move to create a more balanced game." Candwh4 ( talk) 08:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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Shouldn't we be using the actual FIDE acronym (Fédération Internationale des Échecs) rather than (International Chess Federation)?
Are there any plans/interest to bring this article back to FA? It seems on first glance to have a solid enough foundation, and has interested editors working on it. Might be near GA level already Horsesizedduck ( talk) 18:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Recent changes have restored citations of Leibs and of Estes and Robinson to the discussion of the origins of chess, in Chess, History of Chess, and Chaturanga. These two books are not reliable secondary sources on questions about the origins of chess. We evaluated them in January 2021, as well as some other sources, and here is the assessment (copied from Talk:Chess/Archive 10#"Years active" in the infobox):
Bruce leverett ( talk) 03:57, 9 June 2023 (UTC)He is generally taken to have written the work in the second quarter of the seventh century.[1] However, scholar Maan Singh has stated that he was a courtier of the Gupta emperors Kumaragupta I (414-455) and Skandagupta (455-467), dating him between 385 and 465 AD.[2]
I will be reverting the recent changes to those three articles that re-introduced the citations of Leibs and of Estes and Robinson. Bruce leverett ( talk) 04:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Why is it named fivefold and all the links send you to threefold? Am I missing something or should it be changed to threefold? MiniFlux ( talk) 21:42, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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please, let me edit. I promise i will behave
“Always” is not true at all. There are absolutely people who refer to it as red/white when the set is red and white. I have heard it myself from other people when playing with these boards. None of you have managed to provide a genuine justification for why “always” is correct. This is because it isn’t correct. While I accept that 99% of the time they’ll say red/black, the fact that any outliers exist proves it should say mostly or usually rather than every single time. I’m fed up of you reverting the edit and saying “yes it is always actually because so there” when there are obvious exceptions. Need an example? Alice in Wonderland (2010) red and white board, referred to as red/white. Based on Lewis Carroll’s Alice through the looking glass, same matter. While there are more examples, they aren’t relevant, since ANY example of an outlier disproves the “always” case. Don’t be silly now please. CitrusSoEpic ( talk) 18:23, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
User:MaxBrowne2 has improved the text while neatly circumventing the above arguments. But this is reminding me of two related issues. First is that with actual chess sets, color is not always crucial, e.g. crusaders vs. Saracens. Second is that we perhaps should make it clearer that any discussion of chess set appearance and/or aesthetics is not, by definition, a discussion of chess. Bruce leverett ( talk) 18:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
A few image issues in this article. The MOS asks to avoid image sandwiching— WP:SANDWICH—and at the moment the Setup section (yes one is not an image, but it creates the same issue of squeezed text) includes such an issue, as does the "Post-World War II era" section.
Re this reversion, the Public chess tables in Paris currently appears rather irrelevantly in the Rules section. How it properly supports the line "chess is one of the world's most popular games, played by millions of people worldwide" (claimed in the reversion's edit summary) I have no idea, as said line appears four paragraphs earlier, i.e. no where near it. I suggest removing it.
Additionally, there are numerous section which would benefit from media of some kind, i.e. much of Theory and the later history section. Aza24 (talk) 18:40, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
I reverted this edit by Amshpee that had no WP:RS. However, I do agree that there are tournaments that are faster than 10 minutes. I have played in them! I have never heard of a bullet chess (1 min.) tournament in person. Of course, there are such tournaments like that online all the time. We need better WP:RS in the article if we are going to correct the info. box. We might need to distinguish in-person tournaments from online tournaments in the description in the info box. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 20:59, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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Change:"The rules of chess as they are known today emerged in Europe at the end of the 15th century, with standardization and universal acceptance by the end of the 19th century. Today, chess is one of the world's most popular games, and is played by millions of people worldwide."
To:"The rules of chess as they are known today emerged in Europe at the end of the 15th century, with standardization and universal acceptance by the end of the 19th century. Today, chess is one of the world's most popular games, and is played by hundreds of millions of people worldwide." JosiahAntonini ( talk) 02:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a
consensus for this alteration
before using the {{
Edit semi-protected}}
template.
PianoDan (
talk) 17:42, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I'm changing, this image (in the right) presents a chessboard with a refined clarity that surpasses its predecessor. By eliminating background distractions, the photograph emphasizes the authenticity of the chess pieces, particularly the knights, which are positioned as though captured from an actual match. The standard colors of the pieces are vivid yet tasteful, enhancing the overall aesthetic without detracting from the seriousness of the game. The quality of the image itself is superior, offering a crisp, detailed view that allows for a thoughtful analysis of the game's potential complexities.
Wilfredor (
talk) 00:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
I agree with Bruce leverett about the photo. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Replace "White moves first, followed by Black." with "The lighter colour moves, followed by the darker one.". It is more accurate. You could also add to this saying "This is because, during the ancient times that chess was invented, the darker colours were believed to have more power and luck than the lighter colours, hence they were given the first move to create a more balanced game." Candwh4 ( talk) 08:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)