![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 |
4TheWynne and I have an unresolved dispute regarding whether to use the fullname parameter of the AFL biography infobox if the subject's full name is identical to their common name (listed on top of the box, same as article title without disambiguation). (For an example of a subject with the identical full name listed, see Nina Morrison) There are a few good reasons to avoid this:
This is affirmed by the template documentation, which includes a comment suggesting only to use the parameter when the full name is different. I am not aware of any good reasons to include this parameter, but have brought the issue here as an opportunity to discuss and create a convention going forward. – Tera tix ₵ 00:12, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead. Citations stand alone in their usage, so there is no problem with repeating the same link in many citations within an article. I would also say that infoboxes stand alone in their usage. -- SuperJew ( talk) 07:58, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Slightly changing the subject, I've often thought it would be a good idea to better record the outcomes of these discussions by expanding and updating the style guide to cover other matters such as football-related notability guidelines. Allied45 has created a helpful table on their userpage which could be used as a starting point. – Tera tix ₵ 01:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
AFL Rising Star has been nominated for featured list status by Allied45. – Tera tix ₵ 12:58, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
My curiosity toward the exhibition match of Australian football that took place at the 1956 Summer Olympics led me to investigate the details behind its inclusion and the match itself. The current Wikipedia page is spotty, glosses over details, lacks templates and is generally just poorly laid out. I have since completed an entire rewrite of the page, increasing its size from ~12,000 bytes to ~37,000 bytes, as well as upping the number of references from 13 to 43. I'm requesting any number of editors to have a read over the article and make any edits they feel necessary, be it for clarity, brevity or otherwise. There are a small number of images available on Trove relating to the event, although I'm not entirely sure on the copyright process for these given the murky mid-50s dating of it. I have a feeling we could apply for an OTRS ticket. Any experts in this field, do speak up. The rewrite is available here at my sandbox. Feel free to make any edits and if any of you think it is in good enough shape to copy over to the live Wiki, I will do so, otherwise it is likely I will proceed anyway within the next week or so. Just wanting to give the heads up. Cheers, Gibbsy spin 01:26, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
WikiProject Women in Red is devoting the next two months (July and August) to a virtual editathon on Women in Sports. Please take this opportunity to write more articles about women footballers who lag far behind men on Wikipedia.-- Ipigott ( talk) 07:14, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
A few users have started adding a column with playing positions to List of Brownlow Medal winners. Before I start cleaning up the list (Brett Kirk is an association football right back?), and completing the list back for the first 60 years, does everyone agree that positions should be in the list at all? Whilst it used to be more regular and "fixed", Australian football has never had truly allocated positions like some other sports, so it's a bit of WP:OR, especially in recent years. The-Pope ( talk) 05:09, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I've nuked it. Very easy to do with the visual editor compared to the old wikitext editor, which I still prefer for most edits. The-Pope ( talk) 13:37, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Hey everyone – just thought I'd bring something to your attention that I thought might be worthy of discussion. I've seen numerous editors add back the background colour denoting a premiership win (see example below) in the statistics sections of players in the last couple of years, most notably – and recently – Johnny Stormer (a clear-cut case of WP:ICANTHEARYOU).
2019† |
Before I get into what I wanted to propose, I was under the impression that there was a consensus disallowing this, that the awards are mentioned enough elsewhere in the article – could someone please confirm whether or not this is the case? Thanks. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 01:06, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
I'll get into it anyway, as I was going to propose this regardless unless people were vehemently against it. I was actually looking to propose that both premierships and Brownlow Medal/AFL Women's best and fairest wins be represented on the statistics table, as I thought including two of the three highest accolades in Australian rules football (the other being the Norm Smith Medal/AFLW-equivalent) would actually be a cool touch, particularly now that we're including votes in the table, and it would make these tables on Wikipedia even more helpful than on other websites which just display statistics. I decided against including ineligibility for the best and fairest awards, as it would be too difficult to research every season that every player was ineligible through suspension, whereas just the two new colours would be easy to add, and would be the most I would add to the current group of colours – one applies to the season column, and the other applies to the votes column.
Below is the amended table with all colours included (this example is for VFL/AFL, whereas the last row of the AFLW table would read "Won that season's AFL Women's best and fairest award" instead and then be changed again once the award's given an official name). The pre-existing colours have been altered slightly for visibility/brightness, and the wording of some of the rows has also been changed so that they're less ambiguous, something that another user proposed on my talk page when inquiring specifically about the wording (e.g. specifying home-and-away season).
Led the league for the home-and-away season only | |
Led the league after finals only | |
Led the league for the home-and-away season and after finals | |
Played in that season's premiership team | |
Won that season's Brownlow Medal |
With this in mind, rather than have the actual text for the table in articles, we could create templates for each individual combination, listed below (even if some of them are rarely or never used). This way, rather than having to try and find the colour elsewhere when one needs to be added, another letter can just be added to the template, and it will change to a different template which has that extra row of the table.
Below is an example of a player's statistics table with all of the colours in use (I've used Dane Swan who, to my knowledge, is the only player whose statistics table would require all five colours).
Example
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
|
This took a fair while to put together – what does everyone think? I know that there are some who don't really care for having these statistics tables or are against having them altogether, but I'm a massive fan of them, and feel like these proposed changes could benefit the project rather than hinder it – interested to know everyone's thoughts. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 08:34, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Was just on the page of Peter Matera to add the news about him joining the AFL Tribunal and saw that the page doesn't have a single reference. I will try to devote some time to this but if there is anyone else who'd like to improve it, please feel free. He deserves a page befitting his greatness! MaskedSinger ( talk) 09:47, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I've come across two editors – @ Internationalfooty: and @ Aussierules: – who, judging by their usernames and contributions, likely have conflicts of interest with Australian Football International and related competitions.
Internationalfooty has about 300 contributions, making substantial contributions to:
Aussierules has about 40 contributions but has not edited since 2007. Other than the articles listed previously, they have also made substantial contributions to:
I'm aware this is not the appropriate forum for discussing user conduct; my question is, what should be done with the articles? Which should be deleted, which should be merged/redirected, and which (if any) should be kept? – Tera tix ₵ 10:34, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Opening a discussion owing to recent edit warring involving User:Davefelmer, User:Jjamesryan, User:RossRSmith, User:SuperJew, me and possibly others about what titles and honors should be captured alongside senior premierships on Australian rules football club pages. Let's discuss here and arrive at a WP:CONSENSUS that can be carried forward throughout the project. Aspirex ( talk) 21:27, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Aspirex ( talk) 20:56, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Okay, compromise solution which should resolve all issues. The club honours/premierships sections are all renamed to call them 'Club honours' instead of 'premierships', where necessary. The table in which they are listed is subdivided to clearly separate official league premierships (full season premierships in all grades) at the top from all other honourable or (for wooden spoon) dishonourable titles, with inclusion norms set as deemed notable by the project. This retains all of the content (which there a clear consensus is notable for inclusion) but has clear delineation of the different of status between premierships and others. Template upon which all can be based would be:
Premierships | |||
Competition | Level | Wins | Years Won |
---|---|---|---|
VFL/AFL | Seniors | 16 | 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1945, 1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987, 1995 |
VFA | Seniors | 2 | 1877, 1887 |
Victorian premiership | Seniors | 4 | 1871, 1873, 1874, 1875 |
VFL/AFL | Reserves | 8 | 1926, 1927, 1928, 1951, 1953, 1986, 1987, 1990 |
VFL/AFL | Under 19s | 6 | 1948, 1949, 1951, 1963, 1978, 1979 |
Other titles and honours | |||
Championship of Australia | Seniors | 2 | 1968, 1970 |
Challenge Cup | Seniors | 1 | 1871 |
Australian Football Championships | Night Premiership | 1 | 1983 |
VFL/AFL | McClelland Trophy | 5 | 1969, 1979, 1985 (tied), 1987, 1995 |
AFL | Preseason premiership | 3 | 1997, 2005, 2007 |
VFL/AFL | Minor premiership | 16 | 1906, 1907, 1908, 1910, 1914, 1916, 1921, 1932, 1938, 1941, 1947, 1972, 1976, 1979, 1981, 1987, 1995 |
VFL/AFL | Wooden Spoons | 5 |
2002, 2005, 2006, 2015, 2018 |
Lower league club pages which lack the full table (using an untabulated listing) can ideally be upgraded to the same format (good opportunity here to create consistency); or alternatively can follow a lesser version which still ensures premierships are listed above other honours. Aspirex ( talk) 10:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Premierships | |||
Competition | Level | Wins | Years Won |
---|---|---|---|
VFL/AFL | Seniors | 16 | 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1945, 1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987, 1995 |
VFA | Seniors | 2 | 1877, 1887 |
Victorian premiership | Seniors | 4 | 1871, 1873, 1874, 1875 |
VFL/AFL | Reserves | 8 | 1926, 1927, 1928, 1951, 1953, 1986, 1987, 1990 |
VFL/AFL | Under 19s | 6 | 1948, 1949, 1951, 1963, 1978, 1979 |
Other titles and honours | |||
Championship of Australia | Seniors | 2 | 1968, 1970 |
Challenge Cup | Seniors | 1 | 1871 |
Australian Football Championships | Night Premiership | 1 | 1983 |
VFL/AFL | McClelland Trophy | 5 | 1969, 1979, 1985 (tied), 1987, 1995 |
AFL | Preseason premiership | 3 | 1997, 2005, 2007 |
Finishing positions | |||
VFL/AFL | Minor premiership | 16 | 1906, 1907, 1908, 1910, 1914, 1916, 1921, 1932, 1938, 1941, 1947, 1972, 1976, 1979, 1981, 1987, 1995 |
VFL/AFL | Runners-up | 13 | 1904, 1909, 1910, 1916, 1921, 1932, 1949, 1962, 1969, 1973, 1986, 1993, 1999 |
VFL/AFL | Wooden Spoons | 5 |
2002, 2005, 2006, 2015, 2018 |
Aspirex ( talk) 11:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Hey everyone (thought I might reach further by discussing here, particularly as this may affect more articles than the specific one mentioned). Thejoebloggsblog has insisted on using a format for the club tables at Australian Football League that is more consistent with professional American sporting competitions – while it condenses the table slightly, it leaves out what I believe to be relevant information in colours, members, premierships, totals, etc. (I also don't see the benefit in sorting by state when alphabetical order is perfectly fine). Personally, I'm a fan of the pre-existing format (which has also been applied at the AFL Women's and VFL Women's articles), but what does everyone else think? For ease of access, I've included both versions below. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 13:34, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Pre-existing table (with column fixes)
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
|
American competition-style table
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
|
(from Talk:Australian Football League) 4TheWynne has been reverting my updates of the team table. I have been using the team table formatting style of the professional sporting competitions of the United States. These tables are simple covering only the relevant details. The old table was starting to get overloaded with information such as previous years membership figures which is excessive and likely contravenes Wikipedia rules. I see no reason why the new table is not preferable to the old table. Other professional sporting competitions do not provide tables for old franchises instead linking to pages for defunct teams of the competition in question. This is more efficient. Thejoebloggsblog ( talk) 13:08, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Also, does anyone think it's necessary to differentiate between VFL and AFL in the ribbon of the relatively new Template:Australian Football League (as per this edit) when there's already a note at the bottom of the template explaining the name change? I personally think it's pointless to have both, and that the note is far more useful. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 11:30, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
References
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Australian rules football is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Australian rules football until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. Certes ( talk) 07:26, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.
We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma ( talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Editors may be interested to comment on 2017 AFL Women's Rising Star, currently at FLC. – Tera tix ₵ 09:43, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
I recently updated and expanded Melbourne University W.F.C.. I believe the article meets the notability guidelines required to justify a separate article. However @ 4TheWynne: has constantly reverted my edits and has engaged in an edit war. He insists on merging the article into Melbourne University Football Club. If anybody here has any contributions to make see Talk:Melbourne University Football Club. Djln Djln ( talk) 12:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
I've floated some ideas in the hope of increasing participation for FAC reviews of sports related articles at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports#FAC reviewing of sports articles if anyone is interested in the idea or has a better one. Kosack ( talk) 09:16, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
AFL Media recently overhauled their websites (AFL.com.au and the club websites), which, of course, has caused many links to the sites to break. Chiefly, the templated external link for player profiles now leads nowhere. If someone who's good with templates has some spare time to fix it, that would be great. – Tera tix ₵ 01:37, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Each of the non-AFL-named but AFL-aligned VFL teams have player list categories, that all players get put into, similar to what we do in the SANFL/WAFL: Chris Judd and Matthew Pavlich are in East Perth and South Freo player cats, despite only playing one game etc. So lots of Hawthorn players (including Hodge, Rioli, Roughead) are also in Box Hill's cat and Carlton has a lot in Northern Knights. But the same name teams (Geelong, Richmond, Collingwood etc) only have a (VFA) players category, from before they joined the VFL/AFL, with (as far as I could see) no modern players. Darcy Fort was created recently and was placed in the Category:Footscray Football Club players cat, as he played for them a few years ago at VFL level before he was drafted by Geelong. That cat doesn't exist, it's a redirect to Category:Western Bulldogs players, which is obviously not applicable. So should there be a Category:Footscray Football Club (VFL) players? Or should we just re-define/name the existing Category:Footscray Football Club (VFA) players cat? Personally, I would rename all of the (VFA) cats to Category:Footscray Football Club (VFA/VFL) players and include both modern and pre-VFL admission players to the same cat. It is the same club, and the same competition, after all. Just a long hiatus in most cases. Omitting it, when his time at Werribee is included, seems dumb. And I'd include both dropped AFL players and non-AFL listed VFL only players in these cats. The-Pope ( talk) 15:21, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Something like 98% of each senior club's players throughout its history would qualify for its reserves category as well - established senior players who were traded to the club and who were never dropped would be pretty much the only players who wouldn't qualify for the reserves category.I don't understand why this is a problem. – Tera tix ₵ 00:55, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
My main issue becomes the historical VFL/AFL reserves players. Such players should be categorized alongside modern VFL players, since the distinguishing feature of the category is playing in the club's reserves team, irrespective of which league that reserves team was playing in. I'm not convinced that the categorisations we're looking at are a good reflection of this. Aspirex ( talk) 13:48, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello all, I have updated the project's article alerts subscription. It previously only caught pages tagged with the project banner, which is not on every relevant page (some are instead tagged with the WikiProject Australia banner, then marked as supported by this WikiProject). It should now pick up all relevant discussions across a wide range of forums, so consider watchlisting the page if you have not already. – Tera tix ₵ 13:07, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
I was thinking that we could change the player lists into 3 segments. We keep the main list for players with 100+ games, then we make another one for players with 25-99 games and then a third for players with 1-24 appearances. Also, if we make the tables sortable, this makes the tables easier to view various stats such as most games, most goals, etc. without having to check through each and every decade. Thoughts? WDM10 ( talk) 19:48, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
There is a page for the season ( 1897 VFL season) and a page for the finals series ( 1897 VFL finals series) which are pretty much the same. Should these just be merged? WDM10 ( talk) 06:30, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Fixed. User Frietjes edit in December (an attempt to do something with a template) seemed to have inadvertantly transcribed the entire 1897 season page into the finals page by mistake. Ive undone that. Aspirex ( talk) 10:55, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Why do WP AFL player biographies show the McClelland trophy as an individual award won by the player? It's always been a (low key) club award. There's no prize or recognition for the player. Strange. 182.239.199.35 ( talk) 05:03, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
No other source I've seen credits a player as winning a McClelland trophy in their list of accomplishments. Perhaps you know of one. Otherwise it just comes across as fancruft. 182.239.218.175 ( talk) 15:40, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Hey all, I hope everyone is safe and healthy. My name is HickoryOughtShirt?4 and I'm a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey. I was wondering if there was any interest in starting a WikiProject Sports channel on Discord? There's quite a few of us who are interested in sports, and I think it would be a good idea to help the WikiProject recruit more members. You guys can join us through here. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 00:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi all
I am completely lost by the need for the "Debut" column at List of Port Adelaide Football Club players (before 1997). The previous column "PA career span (SANFL)" seems to cover the debut year and when it doesn't, it's confusing (eg. according to the PA career span column, Brian Beinke made his debut in 1993 but the "Debut" column states "1996"). And there is the case of Darren Bartsch, who is listed as 1994 for both "PA career span (SANFL)" and "Debut", although Bartsch played for West Adelaide for many years prior to his Port Adelaide debut.
Can we just get rid of the "Debut" column, or at least make it understandable what we're referring to? -- Roisterer ( talk) 05:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
In the {{ Infobox AFL biography}} there is a parameter named "originalteam". What is the meaning of this? Is it the last team the player played for before being drafted to AFL/AFLW or is it the first team the player played for (at what level)? -- SuperJew ( talk) 14:42, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Can Bloods be used for South Melbourne? WDM10 ( talk) 21:49, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Bloods, to me, is on the same level as Dons or Roys: not quite as informal as Pies, but still probably should be avoided in general prose about South Melbourne players or events. Especially after the early 30s when the Swans nickname came into use. Aspirex ( talk) 04:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Hey everyone – just wanted to discuss the club best and fairest articles for the AFL Women's teams. One of them, Melbourne's, is currently a redirect as a result of this discussion nearly two years ago despite having more sources than the other articles and four winners as opposed to two at the time – should we try and find as many sources as we can for each article (not just Melbourne's) and then try to come up with a different result for Melbourne's, or do we redirect most/all of the others for now? I don't know, I just don't feel great about one of them being a redirect while the others (most of which are also four seasons old) remain untouched, that's all, and would much prefer to have the same ruling for all of them – what does everyone think? 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 01:12, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Here are the sources that were most recently at the article:
Perhaps it might be easier to just compile additional sources that we find here and see what we end up with first? 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 01:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello All, I am relatively new to editing in Wikipedia. One of my more recent articles was on the Saturday Football League in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne, notable because it is the only league to play on a saturday. I created individual wikipedia articles on the clubs in that league, but they were all deleted because they were not notable. Are these sort of articles on junior metropolitan clubs allowed, or was it because I had not written enough? Thanks. Doggo375 ( talk) 04:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Re: {{ AFLW player statistics start}}, see MOS:TABLECAPTION. As all data tables need captions, they should be added to all instances of this template, e.g. at https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ebony_Antonio&oldid=961521692#Statistics. Please let me know if you have any questions by using {{ ping}}. Thanks. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 07:18, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Would anyone else like to respond, as we're talking about possible project-wide change here? Pinging The-Pope, SuperJew, Teratix, Aspirex, Allied45, SportingFlyer, WDM10, HiLo48... even if I am the only person who feels the way that I do and it's just a unanimous "Yep, let's do this", at least we'd be having more of a discussion. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 23:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Koavf, so basically you're saying that something like this would be acceptable:
Legend | |||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
G | Goals | B | Behinds | K | Kicks | H | Handballs | D | Disposals | M | Marks | T | Tackles |
If so, it's not that different from what it used to be. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 08:37, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
If most people agree with adding the captions (specifically for the statistics table itself and the key for "exceptional" statistics), we should come up with wordings that we can all agree upon. The other thing to consider is that the same wording doesn't have to apply to every variation of the above templates. For example, for the statistics table, we could do something like VFL/AFL/AFLW playing statistics (depending on the era of the player) and do the same thing for coaching tables (VFL/AFL/AFLW coaching statistics). I don't think we need to have the name of the player in the caption – we can just apply these captions to the templates themselves and make edits to the necessary player and coach articles (as opposed to just making the caption possible at each template and editing every single player and coach article to add the captions and their names). That's just my take – what does everyone else think? 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 00:18, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Allied45, don't worry, I completely understand and agree with where you're coming from there – at least we wouldn't be updating every single article (lots don't have statistics tables anyway, so we'd only be talking about some of the ones that do). This is what I was thinking of doing for players' statistics tables, if we were to include the league name in the caption:
Including the league name in the caption makes the creation of the new templates necessary, but that's only if people agree with the idea. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 08:09, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Assuming we were to make symbols a permanent addition to colours in the significant statistics key (however we choose to format it/combine with other templates – refer to this discussion as well), how would everyone feel about something like this:
† | Led the league for the home-and-away season only |
‡ | Led the league after finals only |
§ | Led the league for the home-and-away season and after finals |
# | Played in that season's premiership team |
± | Won that season's Brownlow Medal |
I don't know if there are any rules as to which ones we can and can't use, but I tried to avoid currencies. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 02:00, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
It seems the templates for player profiles aren't working following a change of structure on the websites. For example putting {{ Adelplayer}} on Sophie Li's page leads to this URL, while her profile is actually at this URL. Any savvy people here who know how to fix this up? -- SuperJew ( talk) 08:43, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, I have made a list of all the debutants in 2020 that do not currently have a page on them. The list is on my user page: /info/en/?search=User:Doggo375#Articles_to_create
Feel free to create any of these, or maybe add this list to the To-Do list. Doggo375 ( talk) 00:19, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, just wondering if adding the full date of birth in the infobox of an AFL debutant I recently created, Ryan Byrnes, is a violation of WP:DOB. Chris.sherlock seems to think it is, wondering if I could have adivce from other more experienced users such as The-Pope and 4TheWynne, and if it is, let me know when and when not to add it. Thanks. Doggo375 ( talk) 02:02, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Do these include rookie years? WDM10 ( talk) 05:18, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Hey guys – although this article is only listed as 'supported' by WP:AFL, it seems like this is the best location for any sort of discussion and improvements given how niche Australian football is on Wikipedia. A bit over a year ago I decided to rewrite the entire article (+30,000 bytes) given how poorly formatted and lacking in useful information it was. I feel like having it recognised as a GA would be great for the WP:AFL community and a solid recognition of this unique event that will almost never be repeated. I'd appreciate if anyone here is willing to either conduct a review (given the subject matter) or at least help support my nomination in some form. Many thanks, Gibbsy spin 03:04, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
I am opening this discussion due to an ongoing discussion on the 2020 AFL Season Talk Page, whereas I believe it would be more applicable here.
The topic of disagreement was in relation to the use of sponsored stadium names as opposed to their unsponsored counterparts on season pages for the AFL. Empoleonmaster23 ( talk) 06:23, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
I have noticed inconsistency among the three rivalry pages where a member of the rivalry has achieved a premiership. On both the Western Derby and the Sydney Derby pages, the premiership years for both Sydney and West Coast are highlighted in the corresponding colour, and link to the accompanying Grand Final of that year. However, the page for the Showdown does not do this for the respective premiership years of Adelaide and Port.
I have noticed that the Showdown page did have this information in 2016, but this was changed on the 9th of November that year, as seen here (the revision in question) and here (its predecessor). As all three pages should be consistent (as should the Q-Clash page, if Brisbane or Gold Coast were to win a premiership), I see two solutions:
1. Re-add the information to the Showdown page as it was in 2016 (that is, link to the Grand Final and colour the year box appropriately)
2. Remove the information from the two Derby pages and simply link to the season pages.
My personal preference would be towards the latter - the information isn't particularly relevant to the page at hand, and as such, should not be displayed on the page. Empoleonmaster23 ( talk) 09:03, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
We currently have the following Richmond recent premiership player navboxes in existence:
My issue with this approach is that, especially for the "dual players" navboxes, they list 16-19 of the 22 players (so it looks big enough to be a whole team), but because 14 of them are triple premiership players, it's only on 7 player pages. It's misleading or confusing.
I proposed to merge it all into a single navbox as per below. User:4TheWynne reverted, so I want to discuss it here. I understand that the recent Hawthorn/Geelong repeated wins have not been merged like this, but I think it gives the reader a very clear view of who played in all three and who played in only 1 or 2, something that the other multiple navboxes don't do. I'm open to merging the 3 dual lines into a single group, or conversely splitting the 3 singles into 3 different groups. If they win a fourth, then it could be easily expanded to cover the quads/triples/dual and singles. Any opinions? The-Pope ( talk) 06:26, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Superjew. They're a pretty poor use for a navbox. I'd get rid of every multiple premiership navbox, and give each club a "List of X Football Club premiership players" list which allows the players to be split into dual prem/triple prem/etc sublists. That retains the content in some list form. From a notability standpoint, it is being a dual premiership player - not being a 2017/19 dual premiership player as distinct from a2019/20 premiership player - which matters. Aspirex ( talk) 07:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Although if we're talking the original two options only, I agree with ThePope's layout vs 4theWynn's. It is a more informative and consistent layout overall. Aspirex ( talk) 07:58, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I also think SuperJew's idea is optimal to be honest. I was slightly confused the first time I saw a template like the one currently being used, and if we put ourselves in the shoes of an average reader then I have no doubt they would be confused to. I am also in agreement with Aspirex that The-Pope's is better as it covers all the premiership players throughout that period. Doggo375 ( talk) 08:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Category:Australian rules football players that played in the NFL has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Place Clichy ( talk) 11:03, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
A request for comment is open regarding the use of parenthetical disambiguation in relation to articles on sports stadia here: Wikipedia talk:Article titles#RfC Naming convention for sports stadia. Input is welcome. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 20:22, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
I have made a proposal for a WikiProject, American Football Minor Leagues. It will improve football minor-league articles. Put your name in the "support" section of the article if you would like to join. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 00:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
So regarding the new "medical sub" rule the AFL
announced today - it says If the 23rd 'medical substitute' player doesn't take the field, they will still have a senior game credited to their career tally.
What do we do with this regarding tallying players' stats in the infobox and stats table? How does this affect stats averages? What if the only game(s) a player "plays" is being a medical sub, is he notable for an article? --
SuperJew (
talk) 08:00, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
There is a discussion on SSN (sport specific guidelines) at RFC on Notability (sports) policy and reliability issues. Feel free to go there and post your comments. Cassiopeia( talk) 00:49, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Hey everyone. I know this might seem like a pretty minute and insignificant thing to discuss – and, for the most part, I suppose it is – but is this really necessary? The small tag is supposed to be for side comments, fine print, etc., whereas it isn't supposed to be used for stylistic changes like these, per MOS:SMALL. The "it's already used _______ and _______" argument is also a pretty thin one, as that doesn't make it right. Below is the table at the article where this issue arose, to give you an idea:
Season | Recipient(s) | Ref. |
---|---|---|
2017 | Nicola Stevens | |
2018 | Chloe Molloy | |
2019 | Jaimee Lambert | |
2020 | Jaimee Lambert (2) | |
2021 | Brianna Davey |
Would appreciate people's thoughts, even if it seems kind of pointless – thanks. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 19:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
SuperJew, I understand where you're coming from – once upon a time, I probably would have liked to use small font more than necessary/just go with whatever was already in place at project level (in some instances) – but even "more emphasis on win number than needed" sounds more like a stylistic opinion. I personally don't think it would take as long to get rid of the small font at the relevant pages as some of the other project-wide changes that have been ticked off – in this case, Aspirex, I just mean the pages where it can be easily changed (including instances where we reduce the size of the whole tables, not just some of the text within, like at the individual Brownlow Medal articles), whereas we could just leave the hard-coded stuff for another time or something. Here are some examples:
(From List of VFL/AFL minor premiers)
|
(From 2020 Brownlow Medal)
* The player was ineligible to win the medal due to suspension by the AFL Tribunal during the year. |
(From
2020 AFL season)
|
What do we reckon? At least it would be a start. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 02:23, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
The relatively new article about Mangoplah Football Club seems to be about a topic of questionable notability. WP:NTEAM points to WP:GNG, but I still question the notability of a local football team. Even if it is notable, it needs a ton of cleanup. The main section is far too long and does not follow WP:MOS. Kstern ( talk) 00:21, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
I just saw Doggo375 created the template {{ 2020 22 Under 22 team}}. Do we have a need for such a template? Is it notable enough? -- SuperJew ( talk) 10:29, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
I am looking for a list of codes to produce designs in the Australian rules football kit codes template. It produces a small graphic that looks like the strip or jumper an Australian football team wears. Does anybody know where I can get all the codes? HIHPISBrian ( talk) 02:54, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Category:Australian rules football articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray ( talk) 06:05, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
I've opened a request to move "Ruckman" to "Ruck" at Talk:Ruckman (Australian rules football)#Requested move 2 June 2021. Please give your input there. -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:51, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia and am not sure if this is the right space to ask, but I've given Justin Clarke's page a bit of an upgrade for a university project, I'd be very appreciative if someone could give it a reassessment. I don't think it's quite in good article territory but I think a C-Class or a B-Class would be suitable. Any other feedback regarding the article's quality would be very helpful as well. JayKayWags ( talk) 00:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
There is a Rename Request over on the WP:Association football/soccer section involving two soccer players with the same name, although it was noted there is a third person who plays Aussie rules football, which has led to some uncertainty about whether that would require a move as well. The discussion is at Talk:James_Rowe_(football_manager)#Requested_move_8_June_2021 with the Aussie player being James Rowe (Australian footballer). If anyone has any insight, would you be able to comment there? Thanks. RedPatch ( talk) 21:00, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi all,
would appear to be about the same person.
While do I have the sysop buttons, can't WP:MERGE them, via "Special:MergeHistory&target=Ben_Jarvis_(Australian_Footballer)"
This may have been tidied up before I clicked "publish changes"
Pete AU aka -- Shirt58 ( talk) 10:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
Given that we can assign all recognized VFL/AFL players an external link to their career statistics via AFL Tables, I feel it is pointless to include their statistics in their Wikipedia article. It takes up space that can be used for discussing their career in prose format. I'd like to hear what other community members think about this.
Cheers Kingjezza ( talk) 06:20, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Is there a website similar to this but for AFLW and WAFL? I have searched on google but couldn't find anything. Steelkamp ( talk) 13:33, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
This article ( The Footballers' Alphabet) has just been completed; and in the process it has been cross-referenced to each of the 34 players and two other individuals mentioned in the special sports poem that was written and published in 1898, the second year of the VFL competition. Lindsay658 ( talk) 10:32, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
Not sure where to ask exactly, but figured users here might have a clue. It seems there are two pages for the same program - Wide World of Sports which airs on Channel 9. The pages are Wide World of Sports (Australian TV program) and Nine's Wide World of Sports. Is there a difference between the pages or should they be merged? -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:39, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
New stub: Cannabis and sports. Any project members care to help expand? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:56, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi all,
Please see: Draft:Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
WP:ADMIN hat on - I note that some of text in " AFL career" would appear to be pretty much identical to the what is here.
<sings> Deep In Our Hearts Everyone Barracks For Footscray</sings>
Pete "Rugby league state of origin? I'm not interested in that any more" AU aka -- Shirt58 ( talk) 10:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
I have nominated Karmichael Hunt for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Bumbubookworm ( talk) 20:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
I feel we've established a very weak article structure for the season finals series articles.
In particular, the prose which accompanies each game is generally of this style: The second qualifying final will see second-placed Port Adelaide face third-placed Geelong. This marks the fifth finals meeting between the two sides, following qualifying finals in the previous season and 2004, a semi-final in 2013, and the 2007 AFL Grand Final, won by Geelong.
When we write like this, we're writing a preview that you'd see in a newspaper or the Football Record, not an encyclopedia. I'd like to see us strip all of these previews out entirely - maybe replace them with prose summaries of the games (although this too may be superfluous as the boxscore might tell enough of the story).
I'd also advocate for removing the venues map-and-picture box. I feel these boxes are best suited to world cup style tournaments where those venues have been part of a fully contained bid package or similar - not to a club championship where it's an extension of a home-and-away system. Aspirex ( talk) 22:42, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi all,
The user Dawnseeker2000 keeps removing information from Taylor Adams, removing the publisher of the sources (as in their most recent edit). I have tried asking why, but the user ignores the request, not explaining themselves and furthermore acknowledges reading what I wrote, but not answering the content issue (see my talk page). I don't want to get to WP:3RR on this, so asking other users to see and try and help sort this out too. -- SuperJew ( talk) 07:22, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey everyone – hope you're all doing well. I just wanted to bring up an issue that has arisen at the Travis Boak article; Thejoebloggsblog is continually adding "AFL" to Boak's games record holder honour and that honour alone, believing there is a need to specify the league as Russell Ebert played more games in the SANFL. While I understand why, my reasoning for disagreeing is that the honour links to an article with "VFL/AFL" in the title, namely VFL/AFL games records, and people will see (if they didn't already know, and didn't already gather from "Travis Boak ... Australian rules footballer playing for the Port Adelaide Football Club in the Australian Football League (AFL)") that it refers to the AFL; I also suggested that if you're going to single out that honour, you might as well put "Port Adelaide AFL captain", "...playing for Port Adelaide's AFL team", "Port Adelaide (AFL)" under playing career/in the statistics table, etc. – basically just about every other mention of Port Adelaide in the article, rather than one honour, which Thejoebloggsblog ignored. Given this user doesn't seem to have grasped WP:BRD or like to discuss at all based on previous edits and I didn't want to be accused of edit warring myself (though probably will be by some corners anyway), I thought I'd open the discussion here and see what you guys think. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 08:23, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, Seems that recent changes to 2021 VFL season have changed something and now the 2021 Collingwood Football Club season in the ladder section of the VFL part, doesn't show the ladder, but rather the lede of the article. Could someone help fix this? (BTW this is a great example of why I think templates are preferable for this). -- SuperJew ( talk) 18:16, 29 August 2021 (UTC) It wasn't the lede actually, but the whole article. So I have commented out the call for now until this is worked out one way or another -- SuperJew ( talk) 18:19, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Lets get 2021 AFL Grand Final to WP:ITN! We haven't had a grand final at ITN since the 2018 Grand Final. The main thing that needs to be done is to expand the match summary. Steelkamp ( talk) 14:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Today User:Johnny_Stormer created and populated a number of "multiple premiership player" categories.
as well as
Looking as to whether these are overcategorisation, I'm torn, because, for most of these players, it is a defining characteristic of their football career. They would be introduced at any football related event or every article about them as an "X-time premiership player". But similar cats for baseball and Superbowl champions have been deleted, but the one for NHL champions has remained. Cats by Olympic/Comm Games medal colour also exist.
The "premiership player by club" cats actually would have been useful for me a few weeks ago when I tried to work out how many Melbourne premiership players were still living. I ended up having to do multiple WP:PETSCAN comparisons using each year's navbox to work it out. These cats would make that a simple, single query task. But others see this as a categorisation by performance, which for actors/singers etc isn't allowed, but the application to sportsmen has been debated.
So are these all OK to keep? Should they go straight to WP:CFD for a decision, or should we agree here? Are the "by club" ones ok, but not the "by # of wins"? Pinging User:BrownHairedGirl, User:Good Olfactory and User:Namiba for some input. The-Pope ( talk) 13:59, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello everyone, the Player significant statistics ( e.g. Australian rules football statistics HS) shading on player's AFL playing statistics sections of articles is in need of some work. @ 4TheWynne has noted ( User talk:4TheWynne#Significant statistics) "unfortunately, with these ones, we just have to be all over it and do it ourselves."
I recently added Clayton Oliver's handball records in 2017 and 2018, through much manual work (by counting back from the last final to the end of the home and away season, comparing him to Mitchell and Neale). This isn't really sustainable, as it is very easy to overlook statistics without clear/obvious winners, , easy to make mistakes, and could potentially pose a data problem with e.g. a player that played exceptionally well for one game then was injured for the rest of the season, but whose statistics are hidden and thus may be missed when doing manual average calculations.
As I recently stumbled across this, I assume there are many more records that are either wrong or incomplete (especially older records).
Does anyone have any suggestions as to what can be done? Is it simply a case of checking every total and average in AFL StatsPro/AFLtables and working backwards? Is anyone keen to help calculate back to 2010/2000 (or further) and "complete" the data? DiamondIIIXX ( talk) 23:07, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Last time I read the AFL Record, it used to carry season stats leaders - if that's still the case, then the Finals Week 1 Record is the reference you need. Aspirex ( talk) 00:22, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
I had assumed you were talking about accumulated stats and not averages. Considering the process of averaging inherently normalizes the benefit a finalist has over a non finalist in the accumulation of statistics, my suggestion is that the 'average' statistics should only show the complete season leader and that no effort should be put into determining the h&a leader - the actual distinction between the two titles is trivial, and the amount of back calculating you're describing would be close to WP:OR (although acceptable with consensus). Aspirex ( talk) 02:29, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Sorry if I'm a little late to the party here, but I'm strongly in favour of continuing to differentiate between the three (home-and-away only, finals only and whole season) for totals and averages. My reasoning is sort of an extension to my argument as to why we should have the statistics table on Wikipedia, and that's that if there's any way we can make player articles more interesting for readers in a way that other sources don't (e.g. AFL Tables, Australian Football, etc. don't include any of what we're talking about here), we should. I think it's interesting to sometimes have a statistic/average that one player might lead for the home-and-away season but then have that overtaken by/fall below someone in the finals; for example, we had an instance in the AFLW this year where Brittany Bonnici led total and average disposals for the home-and-away season (222 @ 24.7), and was overtaken for total disposals by teammate Brianna Davey after finals, but both players' averages were below Alyce Parker and Georgia Patrikios (both 23.9) after finals. My point here is that, while it might take a little while to research for past seasons that don't already have these covered, these statistics aren't overly difficult to stay on top of for the current season and it makes the statistics table more interesting than just having the player who leads a statistic at the end of the season. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 12:25, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I have just closed the discussion and deleted the templates. I suspect the affected articles require some further amendments, but I wasn't sure the best way to execute those changes. I felt it best to defer that decision to the interested editors above. The list of articles can be found here. ✗ plicit 01:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
I see the deletion discussion ended with a delete result and the template has been deleted from player pages ( for example). Problem is that the statistics tables themselves still have the background, but now it is unexplained (see prev example). How do we go around removing the background colours from all pages the templates were used on? -- SuperJew ( talk) 07:46, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
@ 4TheWynne @ SuperJew I've recently done a few edits, updating many legends and tables with the new template, except for just the P (Premiership players).
Further changes that will need to be done include: AFL Womens - I haven't been able to access the statistics for these, so it would be good if someone else can finish this off with the correct templates.
I know this involves updating these players(as I recorded who had what templates before I submitted the TFD):
I also know that there were 110 players with just the "P" template, and so those players will need to have their template updated. (Can someone do this automatically with Auto Wiki Browser? I don't use it.) It would be good if the rucks & non-rucks could all have their template replaced with the new one.
Once those things are done, I will go through each year in AFLTables and update any players we've missed. I know West Coast's Josh Kennedy is one of them. DiamondIIIXX ( talk) 02:13, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
It's been long held that the coastal competition in Western Australia was called the WAFA until 1907 and then the WAFL from 1908 onwards. I've seen this in countless articles both Wikipedia and otherwise, including australianfootball.com]. However, I've found newspaper articles which put that change of name on 27 March 1907, e.g. link, and hence that the 1907 WAFA season was actually under the WAFL name (and indeed 1907 articles widely referred to the 'league'). Before I take this as reason to start changing anything, I thought I'd best ask whether anyone is aware of some more recent historical edict that has declared 1907 a WAFA season in any sort of official way. Aspirex ( talk) 08:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Was wondering if you guys think we should add protection to Jordan De Goey for a couple of months due to the recent story? If we should, are there admins here who could do it? -- SuperJew ( talk) 08:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
I have just completed a new article: 1963 Miracle Match. Wondering if it's a candidate for GA status? Lindsay658 ( talk) 14:11, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
I've never formally done a GA review so this is my opinion only; but I don't think it would meet GA and these are my suggestions.
Aspirex ( talk) 02:37, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
I have just encountered a campaign to delete articles for football clubs. It is questioning the notability of many of our articles. These are what I have found so far:
It appears the following have previously been successfully removed:
Not Australian Football but it appears the following are also being questioned:
Updated 12/11/2021 More nominations for deletion:
What can we do to salvage these?
Screech1616 (
talk) 11:06, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
I have nominated Joel Selwood for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Bumbubookworm ( talk) 01:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Just wondering if there are any other VFL players — that is, apart from Collingwood’s Percy Edward Rowe ("Paddy Ryan") and Essendon’s Alfred Snowden Carter ("Driver") — who played in the VFL under an assumed name? (And, of course, there was also the entirely different (1902) case of Essendon’s Fred Mann who played in two matches as "Goodthur".) Lindsay658 ( talk) 16:47, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
I can't add it because I have no reference, but Mann was only Goodthur once; cross referencing newspapers with AFLTables, Jack McKenzie was Goodthur in the second of the games. Garry Hocking aka Whiskas also comes to mind. Aspirex ( talk) 20:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
WikiProject Australian rules football has 27 Good Articles. 13 of them (almost half) became Good Articles in 2021, making that year an incredibly productive year for this project. Of those 13 articles, there were 7 nominators. Congratulations to all involved, and hopefully we can get some more Featured Articles this year. Steelkamp ( talk) 08:44, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
A new proposal is now pending to add language to NSPORT providing, among other things, that "meeting [NSPORTS or NAFL] would not serve as a valid keep argument in a deletion discussion." If you have views on this proposal, one way or the other, please feel free to add your comments at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Subproposal 1 (NSPORT). Cbl62 ( talk) 17:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Your input, one way or the other, on several pending proposals to alter NSPORTS/NAFL would be welcomed. These proposals are as follows:
What site/sources are considered reliable for hometown, and first football club?
In particular, are the following considered reliable :
country footy scoresm, council web sites, AFL club sites, local historic spcieties and Local league web sites?
(The last club they were transferred may nnot be the club they started at; as may players got through Gippsland or through a bigger clubs such as Oakleigh Charger)s.
Wakelamp d[@-@]b (
talk) 04:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)br
Wakelamp d[@-@]b (
talk) 04:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey guys – hope everyone's doing well. Just letting everyone know that I've nominated Daisy Pearce as a featured article candidate – if anyone felt like having their say and/or contributing to the article (particularly sourcing, etc.), more than welcome. Thanks! 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 05:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
How does this Wikiproject feel about possibly renaming article like 2022 AFL season to 2022 Australian Football League season? That'd be more consistent with the main-topic title, with the WP:BOLDTITLE as it appears on most of these pages, and it'd avoid the slight weirdness where some "<year> AFL season" pages are redirects to the American Football League ones (albeit these are all disjoint in time). 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 00:46, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
My idea was to move " 1960 American Football League season" – " 1969 American Football League season" article titles to 1960 AFL season" – " 1969 AFL season" article titles. To better line up with the " 1920 APFA season" – " 2022 NFL season" article titles. But, that idea's been rejected. It appears the AFL abbreviation, has come down to between the American Football League and the Australian Football League, unfortunately. GoodDay ( talk) 01:51, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
I would be against changing the article titles as well. Even comparing the pageviews of individual season articles for the Australian Football League against the American Football League and Arena Football League, the former always garners more traffic, so that could be a measure of which is more recognisable, at least on this site; with that in mind, I would definitely agree that the status quo favours four of the criteria mentioned earlier. Changing the titles of the Australian Football League season articles would affect so much more than just those articles, too. In regards to wording the opening sentences, I made a few changes to the 2000 AFL season article recently, including the lead section, and came up with this:
Would something like this suffice? 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 03:15, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
I have made the lead section updates as described above. Aspirex ( talk) 05:10, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
The mammoth discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Sports notability has been closed. While the major proposal to abolish NSPORTS entirely failed, a subproposal to abolish participation-based criteria passed. There seems to be some dispute over exactly how and when to implement the closure result, but the upshot for this project is that NAFL is likely to be removed or require significant modification in the near future. The major consequence will be that citing NAFL at AfD will carry no weight as a defence against deletion. Instead, articles will be assessed merely based on GNG. There are three options for this project: 1) do nothing and accept GNG as the sole standard, 2) seek consensus to reinstate NAFL in its current form, 3) seek consensus for a modified form of NAFL.
Personally I have mixed feelings about the change. On the one hand, it will probably reduce the amount of one-line stubs, but on the other hand some footballers which project members might consider notable may have their articles deleted. – Tera tix ₵ 05:46, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Was any guidance given on whether non-notable players should be redirects or deletions? Aspirex ( talk) 21:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)and turns it into something like
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{ cite web}}, {{ cite journal}} and {{ doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 16:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information relating to the recent disappearance of the irreplaceable and magnificent storehouse of Aussie Rules historical data formerly at https://www.boylesfootballphotos.net.au ? Is the AFL, with its squillions and squillions of dollars taking any steps to rescue/exhume this valuable resource? Is there a legal or commercial reason for its disappearance? Lindsay658 ( talk) 22:08, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Hello AFL editors - I happened to see the 1910 VFL Grand Final article today. Some time last year, somebody added a rather detailed description of the Final, but it's unreferenced and it looks like a possible copyvio, based on the language being rather un-encyclopedic and archaic. Those of you more knowledgeable about the history of the VFL than I should have a look and trim it back as you may see fit. Cheers, PK T(alk) 17:04, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
The lengthy and arduous task of compiling the accurate and detailed article on the 28 October 1916 exhibition match of Australian Rules football, contested in London between two teams of AIF soldiers, is now completed. Please see both 1916 Pioneer Exhibition Game and Talk:1916 Pioneer Exhibition Game. Lindsay658 ( talk) 04:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 |
4TheWynne and I have an unresolved dispute regarding whether to use the fullname parameter of the AFL biography infobox if the subject's full name is identical to their common name (listed on top of the box, same as article title without disambiguation). (For an example of a subject with the identical full name listed, see Nina Morrison) There are a few good reasons to avoid this:
This is affirmed by the template documentation, which includes a comment suggesting only to use the parameter when the full name is different. I am not aware of any good reasons to include this parameter, but have brought the issue here as an opportunity to discuss and create a convention going forward. – Tera tix ₵ 00:12, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead. Citations stand alone in their usage, so there is no problem with repeating the same link in many citations within an article. I would also say that infoboxes stand alone in their usage. -- SuperJew ( talk) 07:58, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Slightly changing the subject, I've often thought it would be a good idea to better record the outcomes of these discussions by expanding and updating the style guide to cover other matters such as football-related notability guidelines. Allied45 has created a helpful table on their userpage which could be used as a starting point. – Tera tix ₵ 01:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
AFL Rising Star has been nominated for featured list status by Allied45. – Tera tix ₵ 12:58, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
My curiosity toward the exhibition match of Australian football that took place at the 1956 Summer Olympics led me to investigate the details behind its inclusion and the match itself. The current Wikipedia page is spotty, glosses over details, lacks templates and is generally just poorly laid out. I have since completed an entire rewrite of the page, increasing its size from ~12,000 bytes to ~37,000 bytes, as well as upping the number of references from 13 to 43. I'm requesting any number of editors to have a read over the article and make any edits they feel necessary, be it for clarity, brevity or otherwise. There are a small number of images available on Trove relating to the event, although I'm not entirely sure on the copyright process for these given the murky mid-50s dating of it. I have a feeling we could apply for an OTRS ticket. Any experts in this field, do speak up. The rewrite is available here at my sandbox. Feel free to make any edits and if any of you think it is in good enough shape to copy over to the live Wiki, I will do so, otherwise it is likely I will proceed anyway within the next week or so. Just wanting to give the heads up. Cheers, Gibbsy spin 01:26, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
WikiProject Women in Red is devoting the next two months (July and August) to a virtual editathon on Women in Sports. Please take this opportunity to write more articles about women footballers who lag far behind men on Wikipedia.-- Ipigott ( talk) 07:14, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
A few users have started adding a column with playing positions to List of Brownlow Medal winners. Before I start cleaning up the list (Brett Kirk is an association football right back?), and completing the list back for the first 60 years, does everyone agree that positions should be in the list at all? Whilst it used to be more regular and "fixed", Australian football has never had truly allocated positions like some other sports, so it's a bit of WP:OR, especially in recent years. The-Pope ( talk) 05:09, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I've nuked it. Very easy to do with the visual editor compared to the old wikitext editor, which I still prefer for most edits. The-Pope ( talk) 13:37, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Hey everyone – just thought I'd bring something to your attention that I thought might be worthy of discussion. I've seen numerous editors add back the background colour denoting a premiership win (see example below) in the statistics sections of players in the last couple of years, most notably – and recently – Johnny Stormer (a clear-cut case of WP:ICANTHEARYOU).
2019† |
Before I get into what I wanted to propose, I was under the impression that there was a consensus disallowing this, that the awards are mentioned enough elsewhere in the article – could someone please confirm whether or not this is the case? Thanks. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 01:06, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
I'll get into it anyway, as I was going to propose this regardless unless people were vehemently against it. I was actually looking to propose that both premierships and Brownlow Medal/AFL Women's best and fairest wins be represented on the statistics table, as I thought including two of the three highest accolades in Australian rules football (the other being the Norm Smith Medal/AFLW-equivalent) would actually be a cool touch, particularly now that we're including votes in the table, and it would make these tables on Wikipedia even more helpful than on other websites which just display statistics. I decided against including ineligibility for the best and fairest awards, as it would be too difficult to research every season that every player was ineligible through suspension, whereas just the two new colours would be easy to add, and would be the most I would add to the current group of colours – one applies to the season column, and the other applies to the votes column.
Below is the amended table with all colours included (this example is for VFL/AFL, whereas the last row of the AFLW table would read "Won that season's AFL Women's best and fairest award" instead and then be changed again once the award's given an official name). The pre-existing colours have been altered slightly for visibility/brightness, and the wording of some of the rows has also been changed so that they're less ambiguous, something that another user proposed on my talk page when inquiring specifically about the wording (e.g. specifying home-and-away season).
Led the league for the home-and-away season only | |
Led the league after finals only | |
Led the league for the home-and-away season and after finals | |
Played in that season's premiership team | |
Won that season's Brownlow Medal |
With this in mind, rather than have the actual text for the table in articles, we could create templates for each individual combination, listed below (even if some of them are rarely or never used). This way, rather than having to try and find the colour elsewhere when one needs to be added, another letter can just be added to the template, and it will change to a different template which has that extra row of the table.
Templates
| |||
---|---|---|---|
Key
|
Below is an example of a player's statistics table with all of the colours in use (I've used Dane Swan who, to my knowledge, is the only player whose statistics table would require all five colours).
Example
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
|
This took a fair while to put together – what does everyone think? I know that there are some who don't really care for having these statistics tables or are against having them altogether, but I'm a massive fan of them, and feel like these proposed changes could benefit the project rather than hinder it – interested to know everyone's thoughts. 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 08:34, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Was just on the page of Peter Matera to add the news about him joining the AFL Tribunal and saw that the page doesn't have a single reference. I will try to devote some time to this but if there is anyone else who'd like to improve it, please feel free. He deserves a page befitting his greatness! MaskedSinger ( talk) 09:47, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I've come across two editors – @ Internationalfooty: and @ Aussierules: – who, judging by their usernames and contributions, likely have conflicts of interest with Australian Football International and related competitions.
Internationalfooty has about 300 contributions, making substantial contributions to:
Aussierules has about 40 contributions but has not edited since 2007. Other than the articles listed previously, they have also made substantial contributions to:
I'm aware this is not the appropriate forum for discussing user conduct; my question is, what should be done with the articles? Which should be deleted, which should be merged/redirected, and which (if any) should be kept? – Tera tix ₵ 10:34, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Opening a discussion owing to recent edit warring involving User:Davefelmer, User:Jjamesryan, User:RossRSmith, User:SuperJew, me and possibly others about what titles and honors should be captured alongside senior premierships on Australian rules football club pages. Let's discuss here and arrive at a WP:CONSENSUS that can be carried forward throughout the project. Aspirex ( talk) 21:27, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Aspirex ( talk) 20:56, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Okay, compromise solution which should resolve all issues. The club honours/premierships sections are all renamed to call them 'Club honours' instead of 'premierships', where necessary. The table in which they are listed is subdivided to clearly separate official league premierships (full season premierships in all grades) at the top from all other honourable or (for wooden spoon) dishonourable titles, with inclusion norms set as deemed notable by the project. This retains all of the content (which there a clear consensus is notable for inclusion) but has clear delineation of the different of status between premierships and others. Template upon which all can be based would be:
Premierships | |||
Competition | Level | Wins | Years Won |
---|---|---|---|
VFL/AFL | Seniors | 16 | 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1945, 1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987, 1995 |
VFA | Seniors | 2 | 1877, 1887 |
Victorian premiership | Seniors | 4 | 1871, 1873, 1874, 1875 |
VFL/AFL | Reserves | 8 | 1926, 1927, 1928, 1951, 1953, 1986, 1987, 1990 |
VFL/AFL | Under 19s | 6 | 1948, 1949, 1951, 1963, 1978, 1979 |
Other titles and honours | |||
Championship of Australia | Seniors | 2 | 1968, 1970 |
Challenge Cup | Seniors | 1 | 1871 |
Australian Football Championships | Night Premiership | 1 | 1983 |
VFL/AFL | McClelland Trophy | 5 | 1969, 1979, 1985 (tied), 1987, 1995 |
AFL | Preseason premiership | 3 | 1997, 2005, 2007 |
VFL/AFL | Minor premiership | 16 | 1906, 1907, 1908, 1910, 1914, 1916, 1921, 1932, 1938, 1941, 1947, 1972, 1976, 1979, 1981, 1987, 1995 |
VFL/AFL | Wooden Spoons | 5 |
2002, 2005, 2006, 2015, 2018 |
Lower league club pages which lack the full table (using an untabulated listing) can ideally be upgraded to the same format (good opportunity here to create consistency); or alternatively can follow a lesser version which still ensures premierships are listed above other honours. Aspirex ( talk) 10:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Premierships | |||
Competition | Level | Wins | Years Won |
---|---|---|---|
VFL/AFL | Seniors | 16 | 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1945, 1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987, 1995 |
VFA | Seniors | 2 | 1877, 1887 |
Victorian premiership | Seniors | 4 | 1871, 1873, 1874, 1875 |
VFL/AFL | Reserves | 8 | 1926, 1927, 1928, 1951, 1953, 1986, 1987, 1990 |
VFL/AFL | Under 19s | 6 | 1948, 1949, 1951, 1963, 1978, 1979 |
Other titles and honours | |||
Championship of Australia | Seniors | 2 | 1968, 1970 |
Challenge Cup | Seniors | 1 | 1871 |
Australian Football Championships | Night Premiership | 1 | 1983 |
VFL/AFL | McClelland Trophy | 5 | 1969, 1979, 1985 (tied), 1987, 1995 |
AFL | Preseason premiership | 3 | 1997, 2005, 2007 |
Finishing positions | |||
VFL/AFL | Minor premiership | 16 | 1906, 1907, 1908, 1910, 1914, 1916, 1921, 1932, 1938, 1941, 1947, 1972, 1976, 1979, 1981, 1987, 1995 |
VFL/AFL | Runners-up | 13 | 1904, 1909, 1910, 1916, 1921, 1932, 1949, 1962, 1969, 1973, 1986, 1993, 1999 |
VFL/AFL | Wooden Spoons | 5 |
2002, 2005, 2006, 2015, 2018 |
Aspirex ( talk) 11:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Hey everyone (thought I might reach further by discussing here, particularly as this may affect more articles than the specific one mentioned). Thejoebloggsblog has insisted on using a format for the club tables at Australian Football League that is more consistent with professional American sporting competitions – while it condenses the table slightly, it leaves out what I believe to be relevant information in colours, members, premierships, totals, etc. (I also don't see the benefit in sorting by state when alphabetical order is perfectly fine). Personally, I'm a fan of the pre-existing format (which has also been applied at the AFL Women's and VFL Women's articles), but what does everyone else think? For ease of access, I've included both versions below. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 13:34, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Pre-existing table (with column fixes)
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
|
American competition-style table
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
|
(from Talk:Australian Football League) 4TheWynne has been reverting my updates of the team table. I have been using the team table formatting style of the professional sporting competitions of the United States. These tables are simple covering only the relevant details. The old table was starting to get overloaded with information such as previous years membership figures which is excessive and likely contravenes Wikipedia rules. I see no reason why the new table is not preferable to the old table. Other professional sporting competitions do not provide tables for old franchises instead linking to pages for defunct teams of the competition in question. This is more efficient. Thejoebloggsblog ( talk) 13:08, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Also, does anyone think it's necessary to differentiate between VFL and AFL in the ribbon of the relatively new Template:Australian Football League (as per this edit) when there's already a note at the bottom of the template explaining the name change? I personally think it's pointless to have both, and that the note is far more useful. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 11:30, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
References
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Australian rules football is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Australian rules football until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. Certes ( talk) 07:26, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.
We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma ( talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Editors may be interested to comment on 2017 AFL Women's Rising Star, currently at FLC. – Tera tix ₵ 09:43, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
I recently updated and expanded Melbourne University W.F.C.. I believe the article meets the notability guidelines required to justify a separate article. However @ 4TheWynne: has constantly reverted my edits and has engaged in an edit war. He insists on merging the article into Melbourne University Football Club. If anybody here has any contributions to make see Talk:Melbourne University Football Club. Djln Djln ( talk) 12:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
I've floated some ideas in the hope of increasing participation for FAC reviews of sports related articles at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports#FAC reviewing of sports articles if anyone is interested in the idea or has a better one. Kosack ( talk) 09:16, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
AFL Media recently overhauled their websites (AFL.com.au and the club websites), which, of course, has caused many links to the sites to break. Chiefly, the templated external link for player profiles now leads nowhere. If someone who's good with templates has some spare time to fix it, that would be great. – Tera tix ₵ 01:37, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Each of the non-AFL-named but AFL-aligned VFL teams have player list categories, that all players get put into, similar to what we do in the SANFL/WAFL: Chris Judd and Matthew Pavlich are in East Perth and South Freo player cats, despite only playing one game etc. So lots of Hawthorn players (including Hodge, Rioli, Roughead) are also in Box Hill's cat and Carlton has a lot in Northern Knights. But the same name teams (Geelong, Richmond, Collingwood etc) only have a (VFA) players category, from before they joined the VFL/AFL, with (as far as I could see) no modern players. Darcy Fort was created recently and was placed in the Category:Footscray Football Club players cat, as he played for them a few years ago at VFL level before he was drafted by Geelong. That cat doesn't exist, it's a redirect to Category:Western Bulldogs players, which is obviously not applicable. So should there be a Category:Footscray Football Club (VFL) players? Or should we just re-define/name the existing Category:Footscray Football Club (VFA) players cat? Personally, I would rename all of the (VFA) cats to Category:Footscray Football Club (VFA/VFL) players and include both modern and pre-VFL admission players to the same cat. It is the same club, and the same competition, after all. Just a long hiatus in most cases. Omitting it, when his time at Werribee is included, seems dumb. And I'd include both dropped AFL players and non-AFL listed VFL only players in these cats. The-Pope ( talk) 15:21, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Something like 98% of each senior club's players throughout its history would qualify for its reserves category as well - established senior players who were traded to the club and who were never dropped would be pretty much the only players who wouldn't qualify for the reserves category.I don't understand why this is a problem. – Tera tix ₵ 00:55, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
My main issue becomes the historical VFL/AFL reserves players. Such players should be categorized alongside modern VFL players, since the distinguishing feature of the category is playing in the club's reserves team, irrespective of which league that reserves team was playing in. I'm not convinced that the categorisations we're looking at are a good reflection of this. Aspirex ( talk) 13:48, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello all, I have updated the project's article alerts subscription. It previously only caught pages tagged with the project banner, which is not on every relevant page (some are instead tagged with the WikiProject Australia banner, then marked as supported by this WikiProject). It should now pick up all relevant discussions across a wide range of forums, so consider watchlisting the page if you have not already. – Tera tix ₵ 13:07, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
I was thinking that we could change the player lists into 3 segments. We keep the main list for players with 100+ games, then we make another one for players with 25-99 games and then a third for players with 1-24 appearances. Also, if we make the tables sortable, this makes the tables easier to view various stats such as most games, most goals, etc. without having to check through each and every decade. Thoughts? WDM10 ( talk) 19:48, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
There is a page for the season ( 1897 VFL season) and a page for the finals series ( 1897 VFL finals series) which are pretty much the same. Should these just be merged? WDM10 ( talk) 06:30, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Fixed. User Frietjes edit in December (an attempt to do something with a template) seemed to have inadvertantly transcribed the entire 1897 season page into the finals page by mistake. Ive undone that. Aspirex ( talk) 10:55, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Why do WP AFL player biographies show the McClelland trophy as an individual award won by the player? It's always been a (low key) club award. There's no prize or recognition for the player. Strange. 182.239.199.35 ( talk) 05:03, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
No other source I've seen credits a player as winning a McClelland trophy in their list of accomplishments. Perhaps you know of one. Otherwise it just comes across as fancruft. 182.239.218.175 ( talk) 15:40, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Hey all, I hope everyone is safe and healthy. My name is HickoryOughtShirt?4 and I'm a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey. I was wondering if there was any interest in starting a WikiProject Sports channel on Discord? There's quite a few of us who are interested in sports, and I think it would be a good idea to help the WikiProject recruit more members. You guys can join us through here. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 00:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi all
I am completely lost by the need for the "Debut" column at List of Port Adelaide Football Club players (before 1997). The previous column "PA career span (SANFL)" seems to cover the debut year and when it doesn't, it's confusing (eg. according to the PA career span column, Brian Beinke made his debut in 1993 but the "Debut" column states "1996"). And there is the case of Darren Bartsch, who is listed as 1994 for both "PA career span (SANFL)" and "Debut", although Bartsch played for West Adelaide for many years prior to his Port Adelaide debut.
Can we just get rid of the "Debut" column, or at least make it understandable what we're referring to? -- Roisterer ( talk) 05:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
In the {{ Infobox AFL biography}} there is a parameter named "originalteam". What is the meaning of this? Is it the last team the player played for before being drafted to AFL/AFLW or is it the first team the player played for (at what level)? -- SuperJew ( talk) 14:42, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Can Bloods be used for South Melbourne? WDM10 ( talk) 21:49, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Bloods, to me, is on the same level as Dons or Roys: not quite as informal as Pies, but still probably should be avoided in general prose about South Melbourne players or events. Especially after the early 30s when the Swans nickname came into use. Aspirex ( talk) 04:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Hey everyone – just wanted to discuss the club best and fairest articles for the AFL Women's teams. One of them, Melbourne's, is currently a redirect as a result of this discussion nearly two years ago despite having more sources than the other articles and four winners as opposed to two at the time – should we try and find as many sources as we can for each article (not just Melbourne's) and then try to come up with a different result for Melbourne's, or do we redirect most/all of the others for now? I don't know, I just don't feel great about one of them being a redirect while the others (most of which are also four seasons old) remain untouched, that's all, and would much prefer to have the same ruling for all of them – what does everyone think? 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 01:12, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Here are the sources that were most recently at the article:
Perhaps it might be easier to just compile additional sources that we find here and see what we end up with first? 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 01:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello All, I am relatively new to editing in Wikipedia. One of my more recent articles was on the Saturday Football League in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne, notable because it is the only league to play on a saturday. I created individual wikipedia articles on the clubs in that league, but they were all deleted because they were not notable. Are these sort of articles on junior metropolitan clubs allowed, or was it because I had not written enough? Thanks. Doggo375 ( talk) 04:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Re: {{ AFLW player statistics start}}, see MOS:TABLECAPTION. As all data tables need captions, they should be added to all instances of this template, e.g. at https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ebony_Antonio&oldid=961521692#Statistics. Please let me know if you have any questions by using {{ ping}}. Thanks. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 07:18, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Would anyone else like to respond, as we're talking about possible project-wide change here? Pinging The-Pope, SuperJew, Teratix, Aspirex, Allied45, SportingFlyer, WDM10, HiLo48... even if I am the only person who feels the way that I do and it's just a unanimous "Yep, let's do this", at least we'd be having more of a discussion. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 23:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Koavf, so basically you're saying that something like this would be acceptable:
Legend | |||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
G | Goals | B | Behinds | K | Kicks | H | Handballs | D | Disposals | M | Marks | T | Tackles |
If so, it's not that different from what it used to be. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 08:37, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
If most people agree with adding the captions (specifically for the statistics table itself and the key for "exceptional" statistics), we should come up with wordings that we can all agree upon. The other thing to consider is that the same wording doesn't have to apply to every variation of the above templates. For example, for the statistics table, we could do something like VFL/AFL/AFLW playing statistics (depending on the era of the player) and do the same thing for coaching tables (VFL/AFL/AFLW coaching statistics). I don't think we need to have the name of the player in the caption – we can just apply these captions to the templates themselves and make edits to the necessary player and coach articles (as opposed to just making the caption possible at each template and editing every single player and coach article to add the captions and their names). That's just my take – what does everyone else think? 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 00:18, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Allied45, don't worry, I completely understand and agree with where you're coming from there – at least we wouldn't be updating every single article (lots don't have statistics tables anyway, so we'd only be talking about some of the ones that do). This is what I was thinking of doing for players' statistics tables, if we were to include the league name in the caption:
Including the league name in the caption makes the creation of the new templates necessary, but that's only if people agree with the idea. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 08:09, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Assuming we were to make symbols a permanent addition to colours in the significant statistics key (however we choose to format it/combine with other templates – refer to this discussion as well), how would everyone feel about something like this:
† | Led the league for the home-and-away season only |
‡ | Led the league after finals only |
§ | Led the league for the home-and-away season and after finals |
# | Played in that season's premiership team |
± | Won that season's Brownlow Medal |
I don't know if there are any rules as to which ones we can and can't use, but I tried to avoid currencies. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 02:00, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
It seems the templates for player profiles aren't working following a change of structure on the websites. For example putting {{ Adelplayer}} on Sophie Li's page leads to this URL, while her profile is actually at this URL. Any savvy people here who know how to fix this up? -- SuperJew ( talk) 08:43, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, I have made a list of all the debutants in 2020 that do not currently have a page on them. The list is on my user page: /info/en/?search=User:Doggo375#Articles_to_create
Feel free to create any of these, or maybe add this list to the To-Do list. Doggo375 ( talk) 00:19, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, just wondering if adding the full date of birth in the infobox of an AFL debutant I recently created, Ryan Byrnes, is a violation of WP:DOB. Chris.sherlock seems to think it is, wondering if I could have adivce from other more experienced users such as The-Pope and 4TheWynne, and if it is, let me know when and when not to add it. Thanks. Doggo375 ( talk) 02:02, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Do these include rookie years? WDM10 ( talk) 05:18, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Hey guys – although this article is only listed as 'supported' by WP:AFL, it seems like this is the best location for any sort of discussion and improvements given how niche Australian football is on Wikipedia. A bit over a year ago I decided to rewrite the entire article (+30,000 bytes) given how poorly formatted and lacking in useful information it was. I feel like having it recognised as a GA would be great for the WP:AFL community and a solid recognition of this unique event that will almost never be repeated. I'd appreciate if anyone here is willing to either conduct a review (given the subject matter) or at least help support my nomination in some form. Many thanks, Gibbsy spin 03:04, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
I am opening this discussion due to an ongoing discussion on the 2020 AFL Season Talk Page, whereas I believe it would be more applicable here.
The topic of disagreement was in relation to the use of sponsored stadium names as opposed to their unsponsored counterparts on season pages for the AFL. Empoleonmaster23 ( talk) 06:23, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
I have noticed inconsistency among the three rivalry pages where a member of the rivalry has achieved a premiership. On both the Western Derby and the Sydney Derby pages, the premiership years for both Sydney and West Coast are highlighted in the corresponding colour, and link to the accompanying Grand Final of that year. However, the page for the Showdown does not do this for the respective premiership years of Adelaide and Port.
I have noticed that the Showdown page did have this information in 2016, but this was changed on the 9th of November that year, as seen here (the revision in question) and here (its predecessor). As all three pages should be consistent (as should the Q-Clash page, if Brisbane or Gold Coast were to win a premiership), I see two solutions:
1. Re-add the information to the Showdown page as it was in 2016 (that is, link to the Grand Final and colour the year box appropriately)
2. Remove the information from the two Derby pages and simply link to the season pages.
My personal preference would be towards the latter - the information isn't particularly relevant to the page at hand, and as such, should not be displayed on the page. Empoleonmaster23 ( talk) 09:03, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
We currently have the following Richmond recent premiership player navboxes in existence:
My issue with this approach is that, especially for the "dual players" navboxes, they list 16-19 of the 22 players (so it looks big enough to be a whole team), but because 14 of them are triple premiership players, it's only on 7 player pages. It's misleading or confusing.
I proposed to merge it all into a single navbox as per below. User:4TheWynne reverted, so I want to discuss it here. I understand that the recent Hawthorn/Geelong repeated wins have not been merged like this, but I think it gives the reader a very clear view of who played in all three and who played in only 1 or 2, something that the other multiple navboxes don't do. I'm open to merging the 3 dual lines into a single group, or conversely splitting the 3 singles into 3 different groups. If they win a fourth, then it could be easily expanded to cover the quads/triples/dual and singles. Any opinions? The-Pope ( talk) 06:26, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Superjew. They're a pretty poor use for a navbox. I'd get rid of every multiple premiership navbox, and give each club a "List of X Football Club premiership players" list which allows the players to be split into dual prem/triple prem/etc sublists. That retains the content in some list form. From a notability standpoint, it is being a dual premiership player - not being a 2017/19 dual premiership player as distinct from a2019/20 premiership player - which matters. Aspirex ( talk) 07:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Although if we're talking the original two options only, I agree with ThePope's layout vs 4theWynn's. It is a more informative and consistent layout overall. Aspirex ( talk) 07:58, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I also think SuperJew's idea is optimal to be honest. I was slightly confused the first time I saw a template like the one currently being used, and if we put ourselves in the shoes of an average reader then I have no doubt they would be confused to. I am also in agreement with Aspirex that The-Pope's is better as it covers all the premiership players throughout that period. Doggo375 ( talk) 08:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Category:Australian rules football players that played in the NFL has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Place Clichy ( talk) 11:03, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
A request for comment is open regarding the use of parenthetical disambiguation in relation to articles on sports stadia here: Wikipedia talk:Article titles#RfC Naming convention for sports stadia. Input is welcome. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 20:22, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
I have made a proposal for a WikiProject, American Football Minor Leagues. It will improve football minor-league articles. Put your name in the "support" section of the article if you would like to join. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 00:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
So regarding the new "medical sub" rule the AFL
announced today - it says If the 23rd 'medical substitute' player doesn't take the field, they will still have a senior game credited to their career tally.
What do we do with this regarding tallying players' stats in the infobox and stats table? How does this affect stats averages? What if the only game(s) a player "plays" is being a medical sub, is he notable for an article? --
SuperJew (
talk) 08:00, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
There is a discussion on SSN (sport specific guidelines) at RFC on Notability (sports) policy and reliability issues. Feel free to go there and post your comments. Cassiopeia( talk) 00:49, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Hey everyone. I know this might seem like a pretty minute and insignificant thing to discuss – and, for the most part, I suppose it is – but is this really necessary? The small tag is supposed to be for side comments, fine print, etc., whereas it isn't supposed to be used for stylistic changes like these, per MOS:SMALL. The "it's already used _______ and _______" argument is also a pretty thin one, as that doesn't make it right. Below is the table at the article where this issue arose, to give you an idea:
Season | Recipient(s) | Ref. |
---|---|---|
2017 | Nicola Stevens | |
2018 | Chloe Molloy | |
2019 | Jaimee Lambert | |
2020 | Jaimee Lambert (2) | |
2021 | Brianna Davey |
Would appreciate people's thoughts, even if it seems kind of pointless – thanks. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 19:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
SuperJew, I understand where you're coming from – once upon a time, I probably would have liked to use small font more than necessary/just go with whatever was already in place at project level (in some instances) – but even "more emphasis on win number than needed" sounds more like a stylistic opinion. I personally don't think it would take as long to get rid of the small font at the relevant pages as some of the other project-wide changes that have been ticked off – in this case, Aspirex, I just mean the pages where it can be easily changed (including instances where we reduce the size of the whole tables, not just some of the text within, like at the individual Brownlow Medal articles), whereas we could just leave the hard-coded stuff for another time or something. Here are some examples:
(From List of VFL/AFL minor premiers)
|
(From 2020 Brownlow Medal)
* The player was ineligible to win the medal due to suspension by the AFL Tribunal during the year. |
(From
2020 AFL season)
|
What do we reckon? At least it would be a start. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 02:23, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
The relatively new article about Mangoplah Football Club seems to be about a topic of questionable notability. WP:NTEAM points to WP:GNG, but I still question the notability of a local football team. Even if it is notable, it needs a ton of cleanup. The main section is far too long and does not follow WP:MOS. Kstern ( talk) 00:21, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
I just saw Doggo375 created the template {{ 2020 22 Under 22 team}}. Do we have a need for such a template? Is it notable enough? -- SuperJew ( talk) 10:29, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
I am looking for a list of codes to produce designs in the Australian rules football kit codes template. It produces a small graphic that looks like the strip or jumper an Australian football team wears. Does anybody know where I can get all the codes? HIHPISBrian ( talk) 02:54, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Category:Australian rules football articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray ( talk) 06:05, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
I've opened a request to move "Ruckman" to "Ruck" at Talk:Ruckman (Australian rules football)#Requested move 2 June 2021. Please give your input there. -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:51, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia and am not sure if this is the right space to ask, but I've given Justin Clarke's page a bit of an upgrade for a university project, I'd be very appreciative if someone could give it a reassessment. I don't think it's quite in good article territory but I think a C-Class or a B-Class would be suitable. Any other feedback regarding the article's quality would be very helpful as well. JayKayWags ( talk) 00:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
There is a Rename Request over on the WP:Association football/soccer section involving two soccer players with the same name, although it was noted there is a third person who plays Aussie rules football, which has led to some uncertainty about whether that would require a move as well. The discussion is at Talk:James_Rowe_(football_manager)#Requested_move_8_June_2021 with the Aussie player being James Rowe (Australian footballer). If anyone has any insight, would you be able to comment there? Thanks. RedPatch ( talk) 21:00, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi all,
would appear to be about the same person.
While do I have the sysop buttons, can't WP:MERGE them, via "Special:MergeHistory&target=Ben_Jarvis_(Australian_Footballer)"
This may have been tidied up before I clicked "publish changes"
Pete AU aka -- Shirt58 ( talk) 10:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
Given that we can assign all recognized VFL/AFL players an external link to their career statistics via AFL Tables, I feel it is pointless to include their statistics in their Wikipedia article. It takes up space that can be used for discussing their career in prose format. I'd like to hear what other community members think about this.
Cheers Kingjezza ( talk) 06:20, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Is there a website similar to this but for AFLW and WAFL? I have searched on google but couldn't find anything. Steelkamp ( talk) 13:33, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
This article ( The Footballers' Alphabet) has just been completed; and in the process it has been cross-referenced to each of the 34 players and two other individuals mentioned in the special sports poem that was written and published in 1898, the second year of the VFL competition. Lindsay658 ( talk) 10:32, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
Not sure where to ask exactly, but figured users here might have a clue. It seems there are two pages for the same program - Wide World of Sports which airs on Channel 9. The pages are Wide World of Sports (Australian TV program) and Nine's Wide World of Sports. Is there a difference between the pages or should they be merged? -- SuperJew ( talk) 11:39, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
New stub: Cannabis and sports. Any project members care to help expand? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:56, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi all,
Please see: Draft:Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
WP:ADMIN hat on - I note that some of text in " AFL career" would appear to be pretty much identical to the what is here.
<sings> Deep In Our Hearts Everyone Barracks For Footscray</sings>
Pete "Rugby league state of origin? I'm not interested in that any more" AU aka -- Shirt58 ( talk) 10:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
I have nominated Karmichael Hunt for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Bumbubookworm ( talk) 20:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
I feel we've established a very weak article structure for the season finals series articles.
In particular, the prose which accompanies each game is generally of this style: The second qualifying final will see second-placed Port Adelaide face third-placed Geelong. This marks the fifth finals meeting between the two sides, following qualifying finals in the previous season and 2004, a semi-final in 2013, and the 2007 AFL Grand Final, won by Geelong.
When we write like this, we're writing a preview that you'd see in a newspaper or the Football Record, not an encyclopedia. I'd like to see us strip all of these previews out entirely - maybe replace them with prose summaries of the games (although this too may be superfluous as the boxscore might tell enough of the story).
I'd also advocate for removing the venues map-and-picture box. I feel these boxes are best suited to world cup style tournaments where those venues have been part of a fully contained bid package or similar - not to a club championship where it's an extension of a home-and-away system. Aspirex ( talk) 22:42, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi all,
The user Dawnseeker2000 keeps removing information from Taylor Adams, removing the publisher of the sources (as in their most recent edit). I have tried asking why, but the user ignores the request, not explaining themselves and furthermore acknowledges reading what I wrote, but not answering the content issue (see my talk page). I don't want to get to WP:3RR on this, so asking other users to see and try and help sort this out too. -- SuperJew ( talk) 07:22, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey everyone – hope you're all doing well. I just wanted to bring up an issue that has arisen at the Travis Boak article; Thejoebloggsblog is continually adding "AFL" to Boak's games record holder honour and that honour alone, believing there is a need to specify the league as Russell Ebert played more games in the SANFL. While I understand why, my reasoning for disagreeing is that the honour links to an article with "VFL/AFL" in the title, namely VFL/AFL games records, and people will see (if they didn't already know, and didn't already gather from "Travis Boak ... Australian rules footballer playing for the Port Adelaide Football Club in the Australian Football League (AFL)") that it refers to the AFL; I also suggested that if you're going to single out that honour, you might as well put "Port Adelaide AFL captain", "...playing for Port Adelaide's AFL team", "Port Adelaide (AFL)" under playing career/in the statistics table, etc. – basically just about every other mention of Port Adelaide in the article, rather than one honour, which Thejoebloggsblog ignored. Given this user doesn't seem to have grasped WP:BRD or like to discuss at all based on previous edits and I didn't want to be accused of edit warring myself (though probably will be by some corners anyway), I thought I'd open the discussion here and see what you guys think. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 08:23, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, Seems that recent changes to 2021 VFL season have changed something and now the 2021 Collingwood Football Club season in the ladder section of the VFL part, doesn't show the ladder, but rather the lede of the article. Could someone help fix this? (BTW this is a great example of why I think templates are preferable for this). -- SuperJew ( talk) 18:16, 29 August 2021 (UTC) It wasn't the lede actually, but the whole article. So I have commented out the call for now until this is worked out one way or another -- SuperJew ( talk) 18:19, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Lets get 2021 AFL Grand Final to WP:ITN! We haven't had a grand final at ITN since the 2018 Grand Final. The main thing that needs to be done is to expand the match summary. Steelkamp ( talk) 14:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Today User:Johnny_Stormer created and populated a number of "multiple premiership player" categories.
as well as
Looking as to whether these are overcategorisation, I'm torn, because, for most of these players, it is a defining characteristic of their football career. They would be introduced at any football related event or every article about them as an "X-time premiership player". But similar cats for baseball and Superbowl champions have been deleted, but the one for NHL champions has remained. Cats by Olympic/Comm Games medal colour also exist.
The "premiership player by club" cats actually would have been useful for me a few weeks ago when I tried to work out how many Melbourne premiership players were still living. I ended up having to do multiple WP:PETSCAN comparisons using each year's navbox to work it out. These cats would make that a simple, single query task. But others see this as a categorisation by performance, which for actors/singers etc isn't allowed, but the application to sportsmen has been debated.
So are these all OK to keep? Should they go straight to WP:CFD for a decision, or should we agree here? Are the "by club" ones ok, but not the "by # of wins"? Pinging User:BrownHairedGirl, User:Good Olfactory and User:Namiba for some input. The-Pope ( talk) 13:59, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello everyone, the Player significant statistics ( e.g. Australian rules football statistics HS) shading on player's AFL playing statistics sections of articles is in need of some work. @ 4TheWynne has noted ( User talk:4TheWynne#Significant statistics) "unfortunately, with these ones, we just have to be all over it and do it ourselves."
I recently added Clayton Oliver's handball records in 2017 and 2018, through much manual work (by counting back from the last final to the end of the home and away season, comparing him to Mitchell and Neale). This isn't really sustainable, as it is very easy to overlook statistics without clear/obvious winners, , easy to make mistakes, and could potentially pose a data problem with e.g. a player that played exceptionally well for one game then was injured for the rest of the season, but whose statistics are hidden and thus may be missed when doing manual average calculations.
As I recently stumbled across this, I assume there are many more records that are either wrong or incomplete (especially older records).
Does anyone have any suggestions as to what can be done? Is it simply a case of checking every total and average in AFL StatsPro/AFLtables and working backwards? Is anyone keen to help calculate back to 2010/2000 (or further) and "complete" the data? DiamondIIIXX ( talk) 23:07, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Last time I read the AFL Record, it used to carry season stats leaders - if that's still the case, then the Finals Week 1 Record is the reference you need. Aspirex ( talk) 00:22, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
I had assumed you were talking about accumulated stats and not averages. Considering the process of averaging inherently normalizes the benefit a finalist has over a non finalist in the accumulation of statistics, my suggestion is that the 'average' statistics should only show the complete season leader and that no effort should be put into determining the h&a leader - the actual distinction between the two titles is trivial, and the amount of back calculating you're describing would be close to WP:OR (although acceptable with consensus). Aspirex ( talk) 02:29, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Sorry if I'm a little late to the party here, but I'm strongly in favour of continuing to differentiate between the three (home-and-away only, finals only and whole season) for totals and averages. My reasoning is sort of an extension to my argument as to why we should have the statistics table on Wikipedia, and that's that if there's any way we can make player articles more interesting for readers in a way that other sources don't (e.g. AFL Tables, Australian Football, etc. don't include any of what we're talking about here), we should. I think it's interesting to sometimes have a statistic/average that one player might lead for the home-and-away season but then have that overtaken by/fall below someone in the finals; for example, we had an instance in the AFLW this year where Brittany Bonnici led total and average disposals for the home-and-away season (222 @ 24.7), and was overtaken for total disposals by teammate Brianna Davey after finals, but both players' averages were below Alyce Parker and Georgia Patrikios (both 23.9) after finals. My point here is that, while it might take a little while to research for past seasons that don't already have these covered, these statistics aren't overly difficult to stay on top of for the current season and it makes the statistics table more interesting than just having the player who leads a statistic at the end of the season. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 12:25, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I have just closed the discussion and deleted the templates. I suspect the affected articles require some further amendments, but I wasn't sure the best way to execute those changes. I felt it best to defer that decision to the interested editors above. The list of articles can be found here. ✗ plicit 01:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
I see the deletion discussion ended with a delete result and the template has been deleted from player pages ( for example). Problem is that the statistics tables themselves still have the background, but now it is unexplained (see prev example). How do we go around removing the background colours from all pages the templates were used on? -- SuperJew ( talk) 07:46, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
@ 4TheWynne @ SuperJew I've recently done a few edits, updating many legends and tables with the new template, except for just the P (Premiership players).
Further changes that will need to be done include: AFL Womens - I haven't been able to access the statistics for these, so it would be good if someone else can finish this off with the correct templates.
I know this involves updating these players(as I recorded who had what templates before I submitted the TFD):
I also know that there were 110 players with just the "P" template, and so those players will need to have their template updated. (Can someone do this automatically with Auto Wiki Browser? I don't use it.) It would be good if the rucks & non-rucks could all have their template replaced with the new one.
Once those things are done, I will go through each year in AFLTables and update any players we've missed. I know West Coast's Josh Kennedy is one of them. DiamondIIIXX ( talk) 02:13, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
It's been long held that the coastal competition in Western Australia was called the WAFA until 1907 and then the WAFL from 1908 onwards. I've seen this in countless articles both Wikipedia and otherwise, including australianfootball.com]. However, I've found newspaper articles which put that change of name on 27 March 1907, e.g. link, and hence that the 1907 WAFA season was actually under the WAFL name (and indeed 1907 articles widely referred to the 'league'). Before I take this as reason to start changing anything, I thought I'd best ask whether anyone is aware of some more recent historical edict that has declared 1907 a WAFA season in any sort of official way. Aspirex ( talk) 08:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Was wondering if you guys think we should add protection to Jordan De Goey for a couple of months due to the recent story? If we should, are there admins here who could do it? -- SuperJew ( talk) 08:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
I have just completed a new article: 1963 Miracle Match. Wondering if it's a candidate for GA status? Lindsay658 ( talk) 14:11, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
I've never formally done a GA review so this is my opinion only; but I don't think it would meet GA and these are my suggestions.
Aspirex ( talk) 02:37, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
I have just encountered a campaign to delete articles for football clubs. It is questioning the notability of many of our articles. These are what I have found so far:
It appears the following have previously been successfully removed:
Not Australian Football but it appears the following are also being questioned:
Updated 12/11/2021 More nominations for deletion:
What can we do to salvage these?
Screech1616 (
talk) 11:06, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
I have nominated Joel Selwood for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Bumbubookworm ( talk) 01:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Just wondering if there are any other VFL players — that is, apart from Collingwood’s Percy Edward Rowe ("Paddy Ryan") and Essendon’s Alfred Snowden Carter ("Driver") — who played in the VFL under an assumed name? (And, of course, there was also the entirely different (1902) case of Essendon’s Fred Mann who played in two matches as "Goodthur".) Lindsay658 ( talk) 16:47, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
I can't add it because I have no reference, but Mann was only Goodthur once; cross referencing newspapers with AFLTables, Jack McKenzie was Goodthur in the second of the games. Garry Hocking aka Whiskas also comes to mind. Aspirex ( talk) 20:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
WikiProject Australian rules football has 27 Good Articles. 13 of them (almost half) became Good Articles in 2021, making that year an incredibly productive year for this project. Of those 13 articles, there were 7 nominators. Congratulations to all involved, and hopefully we can get some more Featured Articles this year. Steelkamp ( talk) 08:44, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
A new proposal is now pending to add language to NSPORT providing, among other things, that "meeting [NSPORTS or NAFL] would not serve as a valid keep argument in a deletion discussion." If you have views on this proposal, one way or the other, please feel free to add your comments at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Subproposal 1 (NSPORT). Cbl62 ( talk) 17:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Your input, one way or the other, on several pending proposals to alter NSPORTS/NAFL would be welcomed. These proposals are as follows:
What site/sources are considered reliable for hometown, and first football club?
In particular, are the following considered reliable :
country footy scoresm, council web sites, AFL club sites, local historic spcieties and Local league web sites?
(The last club they were transferred may nnot be the club they started at; as may players got through Gippsland or through a bigger clubs such as Oakleigh Charger)s.
Wakelamp d[@-@]b (
talk) 04:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)br
Wakelamp d[@-@]b (
talk) 04:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey guys – hope everyone's doing well. Just letting everyone know that I've nominated Daisy Pearce as a featured article candidate – if anyone felt like having their say and/or contributing to the article (particularly sourcing, etc.), more than welcome. Thanks! 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 05:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
How does this Wikiproject feel about possibly renaming article like 2022 AFL season to 2022 Australian Football League season? That'd be more consistent with the main-topic title, with the WP:BOLDTITLE as it appears on most of these pages, and it'd avoid the slight weirdness where some "<year> AFL season" pages are redirects to the American Football League ones (albeit these are all disjoint in time). 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 00:46, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
My idea was to move " 1960 American Football League season" – " 1969 American Football League season" article titles to 1960 AFL season" – " 1969 AFL season" article titles. To better line up with the " 1920 APFA season" – " 2022 NFL season" article titles. But, that idea's been rejected. It appears the AFL abbreviation, has come down to between the American Football League and the Australian Football League, unfortunately. GoodDay ( talk) 01:51, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
I would be against changing the article titles as well. Even comparing the pageviews of individual season articles for the Australian Football League against the American Football League and Arena Football League, the former always garners more traffic, so that could be a measure of which is more recognisable, at least on this site; with that in mind, I would definitely agree that the status quo favours four of the criteria mentioned earlier. Changing the titles of the Australian Football League season articles would affect so much more than just those articles, too. In regards to wording the opening sentences, I made a few changes to the 2000 AFL season article recently, including the lead section, and came up with this:
Would something like this suffice? 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 03:15, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
I have made the lead section updates as described above. Aspirex ( talk) 05:10, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
The mammoth discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Sports notability has been closed. While the major proposal to abolish NSPORTS entirely failed, a subproposal to abolish participation-based criteria passed. There seems to be some dispute over exactly how and when to implement the closure result, but the upshot for this project is that NAFL is likely to be removed or require significant modification in the near future. The major consequence will be that citing NAFL at AfD will carry no weight as a defence against deletion. Instead, articles will be assessed merely based on GNG. There are three options for this project: 1) do nothing and accept GNG as the sole standard, 2) seek consensus to reinstate NAFL in its current form, 3) seek consensus for a modified form of NAFL.
Personally I have mixed feelings about the change. On the one hand, it will probably reduce the amount of one-line stubs, but on the other hand some footballers which project members might consider notable may have their articles deleted. – Tera tix ₵ 05:46, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Was any guidance given on whether non-notable players should be redirects or deletions? Aspirex ( talk) 21:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)and turns it into something like
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{ cite web}}, {{ cite journal}} and {{ doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 16:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information relating to the recent disappearance of the irreplaceable and magnificent storehouse of Aussie Rules historical data formerly at https://www.boylesfootballphotos.net.au ? Is the AFL, with its squillions and squillions of dollars taking any steps to rescue/exhume this valuable resource? Is there a legal or commercial reason for its disappearance? Lindsay658 ( talk) 22:08, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Hello AFL editors - I happened to see the 1910 VFL Grand Final article today. Some time last year, somebody added a rather detailed description of the Final, but it's unreferenced and it looks like a possible copyvio, based on the language being rather un-encyclopedic and archaic. Those of you more knowledgeable about the history of the VFL than I should have a look and trim it back as you may see fit. Cheers, PK T(alk) 17:04, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
The lengthy and arduous task of compiling the accurate and detailed article on the 28 October 1916 exhibition match of Australian Rules football, contested in London between two teams of AIF soldiers, is now completed. Please see both 1916 Pioneer Exhibition Game and Talk:1916 Pioneer Exhibition Game. Lindsay658 ( talk) 04:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)