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Due to the increasing emphasis on morals at the end of South Park episodes, would it be a good idea to include the 'moral of the story' in the episode description? Just an idea I had.
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Naylor182
19:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The page has been created. Please help by adding to it, but keep to the format.
Danke,
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Naylor182
15:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I have seen a plethora of South Park articles that have absolutely dire grammar and/or spelling. Some sentences aren't technically even sentences. This is a major issue. The grammar and spelling of an article is pivotal to the presentation.
Can I ask two things:
1) If you are bad at spelling, don't guess. Look up the word.
2) Can people help me with reforming the standard of spelling and grammar in the SP pages?
Cheers,
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Naylor182
14:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I think we need to put a vandal proof on the List of South Park episodes page. Various occurances of vandalism has come to my attention such as a fake post about an episode called "Cartmanacopedia" in which Cartman discovers Wikipedia. It was soon removed though. To keep this article from confusing people we should give it vandal proof. Mr. Garrison 18:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed there are two articles, one called List of South Park songs and another called List of songs featured on South Park. It appears the first one is "original" material (although it seems excessive to me) and the second one is a list of "real" songs that were either played or mentioned in an episode (like, famously, "Come Sail Away"). Seems like these two lists could be merged somehow. -- dakern74 ( talk) 00:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I would say to merge the first into the second, but with a heading that sets it off from the rest. They are two totally different things, sure, but I agree that they can fall into the same article as songs of South Park. ~greenodonata
I have just made a page for Minor Characters in South Park and I think we should merge some articles into it such as Crab People, The Harrisons, God, Scott Tenorman, Ms. Claridge etc. If anyone agrees with me please reply here. Mr. Garrison ( talk · contribs)
Mr. Garrison 22:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Also people are adding many characters all the time, to be a minor character they should have appeared either 2 or 3 times. 1 appearence makes them a ONE-OFF CHARACTER.
See my addition on the talk page of
Minor Characters in South Park. Let me know what you think.
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Naylor182
13:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I've done some cleanup of the to-do list on the project page; many of the characters there have now been listed on the minor character and one-off character lists. Captain Infinity 20:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Way too much trivia, makes the articles look bad. Put important information in the article itself (not in notes, trivia, goofs, culture references, etc), and keep unimportant things off. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan's guide to every little note or mistake. Episode articles seem to be the most common place to find too much trivia, but it happens on other South Park articles as well. Trivia sections don't always need to be removed, but try to keep it small: between 1 and 4 items is acceptable, in my opinion. Remember: important things, not non-notable things. RobJ1981 04:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree, personally what is the point of adding goofs and notes. If we're South Park fans why do we want to bring up mistakes and ruin the appearence on articles with notes and all that. I think 6-8 trivial facts are enough. If there are very important ones put them on the article's talk page. If agreed with it can be added.
I would suggest rebraning Triva as "Episode Notes" or similar. I understand Wikipedia want to lose trivia sections however in the case of individual SP eps I don't think it's too much of an issue, such as useful titbits like "Cartman doing X parodies the time Butters did Y in episode Z". 84.65.12.135 18:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree that having too many trivia sections is too much. I don't think wikipedia is the right place for goofs, 'did you notice' or other pedantic material. However, I think each episode should have a "References" section. It's a credit to the show that they make several references,. The references aren't "trivial" to South Park, but rather a main characteristic of each show. Furthermore, "fitting in" every reference into the plot description usually bogs down the description and makes it difficult to read. The references are best presented in a list format. Is there any way this can be put to a vote or something? Every single episode's discussion page has this same debate. Blakecarlile ( talk) 21:36, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I've railed against this in all the episode discussions and I couldn't agree more that we oughtta put it to a vote. I don't like having multiple sections for this kind of stuff, thats just silly, but a single section for describing cultural references of interest should be the norm for South Park episode entries and we shouldn't have to fight with these glorified librarians who delete everything that doesn't meet their arbitrary criteria for what an encyclopedia 'should' be —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snafu7x7 ( talk • contribs) 02:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Also, the argument I always hear from detractors is that it violates the guidelines of Wikipedia's policy against Trivia sections. Then they invariably reference WP:TRIV as their justification for deleting content. This is hilarious because they've obviously not read this guideline carefully. What the guideline says is to "Avoid creating lists of miscellaneous facts", especially those that are not referenced and verifiable, I fully support that, but where a post is valid, properly referenced and adds to the overall value of the article it should never be deleted. The guideline even says this explicitly, a fact the delete-happy always fail to mention, to quote, it say: "This guideline does not suggest removing trivia sections, or moving them to the talk page. If information is otherwise suitable, it is better that it be poorly presented than not presented at all." Snafu7x7 ( talk) 04:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations to everyone who contributed towards Trapped in the Closet (South Park), which now has good article status. However, the main article about South Park really does need improving, given that it is one of the 50 most visited articles on Wikipedia, and it has been tagged as an article requiring cleanup since last month. Here are a list of suggestions towards improving it towards good and eventually featured article status:
Cite sources when analysing episodes, as Wikipedia is not the place for original research.
Follow the style of other television show articles that have good and featured article status.
Integrate trivia into the article where possible.
Add any more suggestions if possible.
Watch37264 15:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed quite a lot of links to other non-SP articles with random words like "sex" (linking to the sex article) and "hostage" (linking to the article for hostage) in many episode articles. I do not think these are necessary and I suggest them to be cleaned up. Bittersky 21:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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This is getting out of hand. People are freely deleting articles and merging them when they don't need it. Some characters don't even have the character template on their page and all articles need to have the South Park characters template so other articles can be linked. I'm also having a hard time finding out who voices who for:
and many more. If you know could you please say.
I noticed that none of the pages share the same format, so I was thinking there should probably be one. I was thinking it would be something like I did to Ike's page. The personality section would have subsections if they're relevant such as Satan's relationships section could be under it. Then the accomplishments section would replace the mention of every single episode as that seems unencyclopedic. Thoughts? Nemu 19:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
--introduction--
(who is character?)
(voiced by?)
--character traits--
(appearence?)
(behaviour?)
(personality?)
--family/friends--
(links to other relatives with brief description of them)
--career/lifestyle--
(any hobbies?)
(job? has job been relevant in episodes?)
--important points of their life--
(major points in episodes, such as Cartman's Mom is Still a Dirty Slut for Ms. Cartman)
(goals in life?)
--appearences--
(what episodes? brief description)
--trivia--
(important facts)
-- Naylor182 14:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I have started work on a portal for South Park. Feel free to contribute. Watch37264 14:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Here is the South Park portal if you would like to help. Watch37264 16:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
FYI, someone's nominated this portal for a proposed delete (not me!). Thought you might want to know. – Little Miss Might Be Wrong 04:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I have now nominated the portal for deletion. Watch37264 20:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
A ton of articles require cleanup. [List of minor characters on South Park]] has no lead, and is written from an in-universe style. South Park families should be moved to List of families of South Park per WP:MOS-T. Several other articles are written from an informal tone, witch isn't encyclopedic etc. We should address this ASAP. -- Selmo ( talk) 23:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
It is important to assess all articles relating to South Park in terms of their quality. Also, could someone expand the template to include the importance of the article within South Park. I have tried and failed on several occassions. This would be very helpful as we need to identify which articles need improving the most as well as the most important articles. Thanks. Watch37264 16:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I've have to remove 3 examples of these and i've very very minor interesting in south park . User of this project should be keeping a very active eye out for this ( Gnevin 18:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC))
All of the character links proposed for merging with the List of minor characters now redirect to the aforementioned List. Should this task therefore be deleted? Samurai V 13:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
The article Homes in South Park is up for deletion. It's the first time I saw this article, and I probably would have nominated it myself. This whole project seems to be pure fancruft, now that I really think of it. -- Selmo ( talk) 17:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm giving each season it's own article just like the Simpsons. Please do not create articles for seasons that haven't been made, I'm up to season five. Please do not add an article for season 6, season 7, season 8, season 9, season 10 because I have done them on my own specific format.
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 15:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Just a word of warning, keep an eye out for vandalism and misleading information on the episode page about season 11 eps. I found "Return of Darth Chef". Just a reminder, season 11 starts March 7th! *Mr. GaRRiSoN 23:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Someone has been adding "past South Park character" to some characters who haven't appeared for quite a time. I'd like to know, how is a "past character" defined? I mean, calling them "past" is a little bit over the top, but not calling them so is crystallballing, as it predicts they are sure to return. But, then again, we would then have to include "past" to every secondary or reccuring character after each apisode in which they weren't featured, and that is quite irrational.-- Orthologist 17:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
While I took alot of time to cleanup and condense Butters' main article, could some of you help me cite the sources so we can get this article a good rating. Thrawny 17:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
In the process of attempting to limit the amount of Series-specific episode infoboxes, I have now landed at South Park :D. Replacing all usages of this template by hand is just an enormous task. I'm considering replacing the current contents with the template with User:TheDJ/SandboxTemplate3. On article pages you will then end up with this (see box at the bottom). After this a bot can subst: all the transclusions of the template without breaking the box. You will end up with a less then optimal subst: result See this diff, but it doesn't interfere with the functionality of the infobox, and it saves a whole lot of work. Opinions please ? -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 12:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Should most of the characters be merged with the various lists? After looking at most of the articles, the bulk of them are stubs or would be stubs after the removal of trivial information. Only the main characters and the major secondary characters should need pages. Nemu 19:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm just lazy. I'll get the rest eventually. TTN 02:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Whoa-Whoa-Whoa! What are you talking about? Bebe Stevens' article was not a stub! Neither was Clyde Donovan's! Or Wendy Testaburger's! As I said elsewhere, if the character has enough information to fill at least seven paragraphs, (granted, these paragraphs are about ten lines each), give them their own, private article! It's only fair to the character! Geesh! Wilhelmina Will June 24th, 2007.
Well, a consensus must be reached to use specific images on the 4 main characters articles.
Resons: For the Stan image, check here. About the others, all of those images descriptions (on their description pages) say: "released to the public for any wanted use". NOOO, all of those images are copyrighted. If it really were released to the public for any wanted use, anyone would create a program called North Park and use this images for the main characters.
Another thing is that SVG images should be used over PNG and other formats. Check Wikipedia:Use SVG over PNG. Armando.O talk • Ev 02:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I've checked the new images that FictionH has uploaded and I think it's ok. Maybe the best thing we can use, except for the Kyle image. Please upload (replace the actual) a better one. Armando.O talk • Ev 03:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) They are also used to show emphasis to certain points. IF I TYPE LIKE THSI THEN I'M SHOUTING, BUT I WOULD NEVER DO THAT. I just care very much about good quality articles, and making images, that are simply not free and never will be free, be proper content in wikipedia is just a difficult proces that is not fully understood by all people; and with reason, because the law is very annoying in this respect. The law is written for professional book editors, not for casual webeditors, and that causes a lot of confusion within wikipedia. I'm just trying to show what the best way is to include these images, without others having cause to remove them in the future. See also WP:IDP#Fair_use_rationale -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 15:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, the only solution is:
I'm fairly unfamiliar with the Fair Use policies and Copyright laws, so forgive me if I'm completely off base here... Would it be possible to use pictures and screencaps that are posted on www.southparkstudios.com since that is the official site of the studio? They have a vast collection of images there, I don't think we'd have much problem finding decent pictures over there. Tweeks Coffee 21:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
The List of one-off characters on South Park page has been nominated for deletion. The nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination. If you have an opinion on this issue, please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of one-off characters on South Park and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Captain Infinity 00:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that we should redo the list. I don't see why it was even deleted in the first place.-- Cartman005 04:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
This article has been nominated for deletion. Come participating and giving your opinion about this article here. DeansFA 13:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys. The article Dirka dirka is up for deletion. [1]. Could you guys go over there make a convincing argument to save it? It's a popular enough phrase to be included. -- Candy-Panda 09:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
This seems like the best place to raise this issue, which I feel silly to make a big deal about but I feel like it shouldn't be ignored. In both Free Willzyx and The Snuke, there is a brief music cue when the boys are dealing with Russians. Someone is chanting, presumably in Russian, but it's very short and indistinct. The inspiration is obvious - any number of Cold War thrillers and action films include similar, vague music when showing scenes of Russia, the Soviet Union or Eastern Europe. Just of the top of my head, The Hunt for Red October, The Peacemaker are good examples.
The problem, as I see it, is that one user in particular insists that this music is actually from Darkstalkers, specifically related to the character of Jedah Dohma. When he levitates onto the screen, there is similar, indistinct chanting in the background. But there is no way to definitively identify that music with this music used in South Park. It's far too brief. The fact that the music sounds the same is an opinion, not a fact, so it cannot be confirmed simply by ear.
I have tried to remove these points from the articles and voiced my concerns on their respective talk pages, but this user doesn't want to hear me. His "evidence" is a link to videos containing the Darkstalkers music, which is irrelevant. Just because two pieces of music sound alike (which I would not even agree with in this case) I don't think it's encyclopedic to include it. South Park episode articles are already choked with "trivia" and "cultural references" as it is. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub ( contributions) 14:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
the "top-importence" catagory contains bigger longer and uncut, yet the talkpage of bigger longer & uncut says it is midimportence. isnt htat automated in some way?· Lygophile has spoken 22:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
The WikiProject Television episode coverage taskforce have recently been working on a review process for episode articles. There are a rash of articles about individual episodes which fail notability, and are unlikely to ever reach such requirements. Many contributors are unaware of the specific guidelines to assess notability in episode pages: Wikipedia:Television episodes. We have expanded these guidelines to make them more helpful and explanatory, and we invite you to read the guidelines, and make any comments on its talk page. After much discussion, we have created a proposed review process for dealing with problem articles. See: Wikipedia:Television article review process. We invite discussion of this process on its talk page. General comments about this whole process are welcome at the episode coverage taskforce talkpage. Thanks! Gwinva 10:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I've created an article for Matt and Trey's upcoming film, Giant Monsters Attack Japan!. It is in need of expert editing. If you want to help improve the article, you can discuss it on the talk page. Thank you.-- Swellman 18:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I have moved the article for the episode from its previous title "Spookyfish" under the "Spooky Fish". The latest is the title that TV.com refers to. I have also corrected the references in the text and in the episode list for Season 2, as used in the infobox. I understand that this maybe is a change that will affect a lot of things, so I thought that it would be appropriate to notify you. -- Dead3y3 Talk page 08:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
This project DOES seem to be a little inactive. We should start doing some stuff to avoid a mfd. -- Scorpion 0422 07:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
As some of you may or may not have noticed, I have been through each episode of South Park, trying to eliminate a lot of useless Trivia which could be considered Original Research, speculation, or just plain irrelevant. However, one thing that has annoyed the crap out of me is the "goofs" bit. Unlike the Trivia bit, where some of it could be relevant, or be integrated into other things, I move to state that the goofs part is entirely irrelevant, and in no way worthy of an encyclopedia. Can mistakes of and episode be considered encyclopedic in any way? I highly doubt this, and put forward the idea of removing all "goofs" bits - if these is agreed, I will personally do it myself.
Whether or not this will include the inconsistencies with other episodes, I hope to discuss here, what I want to definitely be removed is the nonsense like "Cartman was seeing getting in the left side of the car, but he is later seen on the right", etc. ≈ The Haunted Angel 21:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Imaginationland is going to require quite a bit of watching. Anonymous users keep added a list of every inhabitant that was in Imaginationland, blatantly ignoring WP:NOT#INFO Dlong 16:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
-- PFHLai 03:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I was just checking to see if you all keep tracking of the "Did you know?" statistics on this WikiProject, or not, or if not, if you want to start doing that? Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 05:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC).
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tsst. 96T 21:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
This is a large ongoing debate: should the three episodes be merged together into one single article, or not? The discussion is located HERE. Just thought the WikiProject should know. The Chronic 02:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Can we do something about the inhabitants of Imaginationland list? Perhaps a separate article as I have already tried to do?-- Cartman005 21:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm proposing a new way of numbering all episodes. Instead of using the chronological number or the prod code (which are shown in the infobox anyway), we should list the season number and which season it came from. For examples of articles in which this system is being used, see episode articles of the simpsons or futurama.
The problem with using chronological numbering or prod codes is that they can confuse casual readers, and can also cause arguments as to which one should be used. For examples of south park articles where his is already being used, see Trapped in the Closet (South Park).
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“ | "Trapped in the Closet", the twelfth episode of the ninth season of the Comedy Central series South Park, originally aired on November 16, 2005. | ” |
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So, what do you all think? For or against?-- Swellman 22:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if the Comedy WikiProject is a parent to this WikiProject? Is it so and it should be noted on the WikiProject? ISD 12:17, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of places in South Park 96T 19:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Park credits 96T 21:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Kenny's deaths (2nd nomination) 96T ( talk) 18:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
The South Park Project has to decide on how we want to handle multiple part episodes like Imaginationland. They should either all be seperate or merged. This is a huge debate that has been going on on the Imaginationland page. We also need to decide what to do with the list of imaginary characters in Imaginationland. There is a lot of support to keep the list though it is mostly useless trivia. I made a separate page for the list which was deleted in favor of having separate lists on each of the episodes' pages. They now go back and forth on deleting and reverting these lists.-- Cartman005 15:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
my vote is to have the episodes stand on their own. they each have enough substance to fill a whole page, and we can link them together as a 1,2,3 link. imagine taking the whole series page, and just breaking it apart, and having it read as such. Coffeepusher 18:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi. A discussion on the episodes MoS is here. As an article under the project's scope is used as an example, you are encouraged to contribute. Will ( talk) 15:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Can Eric_Cartman be re-assessed please as a lot of changes have been made, and I need to see if my changes are in the scope of the project. Philbuck222 ( talk) 22:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I'd like to make a new proposal. I know that South Park episodes (as episodes of any TV show) are seperated into seasons, and that's perfectly logical and nice. However, I think that there should be some indication of seperate runs within a season.
The system in which seasons of South Park are structured is basically the same since season 4, that is, there's a run of around 7-9 episodes in the interval of around March-June, and another run around October-December. The episodes within one run are created from week to week, however there is a big gap between two runs. If you notice, Matt and Trey always think about the runs differently (listen to the DVD commentaries for example); the clips shown in the background during the theme are updated with clips from the last run, etc.
I'm not saying that we should break episodes into other subsections. However, I do suggest that there should be a slight indication of the "run-break":
it should say
...because, frankly, the frequency of the episodes is really not even in an interval that big, when there is actually a six month gap between two episodes.
Please post your comments/opinions.
-- Szajd ( talk) 20:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I've loved South Park for years, so is it alright if I become a member? Goldfishsoldier ( talk) 00:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Over the past months, TV episodes have been reverted by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [2]. -- Maniwar ( talk) 00:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
WP:FICT, the notability guideline for elements within a work of fiction (characters, places, elements, etc) has a new proposal/revision that is now live [3] Everyone is encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page. Ned Scott 22:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a proposal to split WP:EPISODE into a more general notability guideline, Wikipedia:Notability (serial works), and make the rest of WP:EPISODE just a MOS guideline. Please join in at WT:EPISODE#Proposed split of EPISODE and/or Wikipedia talk:Notability (serial works). -- Ned Scott 22:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm trying to characterize cartmans relationship with Stan Kyle and Kenny, but, as I said, I have writers block. Can someone help me out? Goldfishsoldier ( talk) 07:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
is it South Park or Southpark? ♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ ( talk) 03:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Both of these characters satisfy the requirements for the minor character list, as stated on the South Park characters page: they have appeared in at least one episode. However, they are not on there, nor are they on the List of One-off characters, which seems to have disappeared. I notice that Lemmiwinks once had his own article, but it got redirected to The Death Camp of Tolerance. Similarly, the giant taco that craps ice cream is a redirect to Cancelled (South Park). I feel that these characters should either appear in a list or in their own articles. Either of them is easily more popular than, say, Bradley, and yet he appears in a list while they do not. Is there a good reason for this? I could add them in, if the reason is simple laziness. Thanks! Cerebellum ( talk) 14:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Two SP articles are currently nominated for deletion:
96T ( talk) 16:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Looks like the ongoing WP:AfD for this article has been withdrawn by nominator - I added some sources and a Reception section, could use a bit more expansion from coverage in other secondary sources, and also some copyediting to the plot section, but wouldn't take much for this to be a WP:GAC-worthy article. Cirt ( talk) 00:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Are there any copyright restrictions necessary for South Park episodes and pictures. I mean, the producers said they have nothing against people copying their work. diego_pmc ( talk) 19:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
A request for comment has been made to determine if the Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) proposal has consensus. Since this project deals with many fictional topics, I am commenting here. Input on the proposal is welcome here. -- Pixelface ( talk) 01:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
My pet project for the last couple of days has been overhauling the Eric Cartman article. It now has a photo montage, 25 references, perfect (or at least close) spelling/grammar etc, and has been reorganized and largely rewritten. I'm considering nominating it for GA status, why don't you guys take a look and see if you think this would be a good idea? L'Aquatique review 04:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
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Could one of you South Park experts have a look at Eric Cartman? There have been many recent edits that may be vandalism, incorrect edits of good faith, or correct edits, but I can't tell the difference. - Richard Cavell ( talk) 02:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
If www.southparkstudios.com the actual official site from the creators of the show, is it ok (from a copyright point of view) to link to the full episodes through it? Alastairward ( talk) 08:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I'd believe so, yes. —Preceding
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13:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I understand that trivia is discouraged in the wikipedia standards but trivia is a big part of this show. Not everyone gets all the references and trivia helps. Is there a way to get trivia about south park back in, in a way that complies with the wiki standards.
I agree, however this issue is adressed above...and I believe that the discussion came to the right conclusion, which is that there is so much trivia that it can fill up the entire site. You understand that we would be opening up the door to trivia on over 150 episodes, the personal lives of Matt and Tray, every suptle joke, "spoting the alien", etc.
That beeing said, I believe that the realy relevent "trivia" can easily be incorperated into the page as relivent information on the show, and we can leave it to the audiance to discover the rest... you can also provide a link to a trivia site as a for more information link. you may also see if you can create pages for the realy hard hitting shows, and incorperate the facts...however I am not shure how successfull that will be. Coffeepusher 07:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
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Worth remembering that "cultural references" are just another form of trivia. Trivia lists themselves are an expansion of small parts of the plot and so should be merged into the main article (if citeable) or removed to keep the articles nice and easy on the eye. Alastairward ( talk) 19:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The Article Hooked on Monkey Phonics is titled wrong. The spelling the show uses is Fonics not Phonics which is how the word is spelled for the actual program Hooked on Phonics. Yami ( talk) 19:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Below are all the character pages. Please help me by filling them in because I really am stuck on some.
unreliable but still: [4] Nergaal ( talk) 07:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey there, would it be a wise idea to use created characters from the "Create your own South Park Character" game at southparkstudios.com to put up some clearer images of characters for their pages? For example, here's Stan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:StanSP.png
Not 100% sure about the copyright requirements and stuff, but if it's okay to do I guess anyone can do the rest. So yeah, thoughts? :) Goroliath
Unfortunately, whether you make the character yourself or use an image or them, they are still copyrighted. It's like plagarism, because you made an image, 100% similar to another work, but pass it off as "self made". However, using Wikipedia's Non-Free Image rational, we CAN use good images of them, because there's not free alternative C. Pineda (クリス) ( talk) 06:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
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I started a discussion at the SP talkpage and would like to get your input. All the info is there. Thanks. -- Armchair info guy ( talk) 06:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I've been looking at articles on South Park episodes. Many of them just consist of the episodes' plot. They would be much improved if they contained information outside of that which you can gain from watching the episodes. For example, ratings figures and any notable controversies. Discussions of the popular culture references used in the episodes would also be useful, as understanding of the satirical/parody aspects of an episode requires a knowledge of the topics in question. Notable in-universe character development, landmarks etc. could also be discussed. Plot sections in general should be shortened, which would be made easier by discussing the above in separate sections, rather than in the plot prose. – OrangeDog ( talk • edits) 01:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that lots of material identifying cultural references has been removed for not having citations. As most can be verified by looking at the relevant episode, and what it's a copy of, I think it can legitimately be re-inserted. – OrangeDog ( talk • edits) 01:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to say thanks for doing this. I've been trying to correct Stan's article(When it came to heritage and veganism, I posted in the discusdsion.)
Just thought I'd explain to everyone that I've split the character lists up to families, townsfolk, school staff, school students, occasional characters and I've kept the minors.
Save the premiere, Mechastreisland and the season finale, very little seems to be of note. Anything that can bump up the notability of season 1 eps before merging them? Alastairward ( talk) 21:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, User: Greg D. Barnes left me these messages on my Talk Page informing me that there was a disagreement over a merge suggestion that had been made on a few episode articles. Specifically, Greg named " An Elephant Makes Love to a Pig", " Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo", " Pinkeye", as the episodes on which User:Alastairward placed merge suggestion tags, and stated that Alastair and User:The Video Game Master were arguing over issues pertaining to WP:OWN regarding this disagreement. Looking over the info in question, here are some preliminary thoughts that immediately come to mind.
Regarding the merges themselves:
I'd say keep the articles. I'd rather have just a plot summary than no article at all.-- Greg D. Barnes ( talk) 22:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
This is not the proper place to discuss a merge. The following talk pages are also not the proper place to discuss a merge:
The proper place to discuss a merge is the article that the episode articles were proposed to merge to, Talk:List of South Park episodes. Thanks. -- Pixelface ( talk) 12:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Now hold on a second, I read throughout this section, and Alastairward's logic is to delete the non-notable episodes of South Park, and THEN take that info in the plot and beef up the episode guides. That doesn't sound like a bad idea at all! Any input?-- Greg D. Barnes ( talk) 22:55, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
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Please see Talk:List_of_South_Park_episodes#Merger_proposal. Cirt ( talk) 05:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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The article
Professor Chaos (character) was created recently, but it's merely a verbatim C&P of a few sentences already included in the main
Butters Stotch article. So, I have nominated it for deletion, and suggested a search on the specific character (not the eponymous episode) be redirected to the Butters article, where Prof. Chaos is fairly well explained (short of fancruft). Anyway, please post thoughts here or at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Professor Chaos (character). Thanks. -
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I've placed a modified version of the character infobox on my sandbox here.
I would definitely like to use this as the template instead, but before changing the old one, I thought it'd be best to discuss it first. I modeled it after the infobox for Simpsons characters ("Simpsons did it! Simpsons did it!"), only because I thought it's a better way to display where a character made their first appearance. If a character appeared in the shorts, you can put which short they appeared in first (Jesus vs. Frosty or Jesus vs. Santa), in addition to which episode in which they first appeared.
Some other I'd like to address as well:
1. Age - All of the main child characters are 8-9, and in their articles it is explained that throughout the series they have been in the third and fourth grade. The ages of most of the adult characters have never been established. Each one has an age listed in their infobox without a source backing it up. Off the top of my head, I only know of a couple of adult characters who've had their exact ages revealed on the show (Mr. Garrison and Grandpa). Combined with the whole "floating timeline" thing, I don't think it's necessary to include ages in the infobox. One can read a certain character's article and determine through common sense that the person is in the late 30s-early 40s region.
2. Religion - Religion has indeed been the major topic of many episodes, with many characters changing their religion to suit the purposes of the plot. However, most of the characters who have had their primary religion established are Roman Catholic. Only Kyle and his family have been established as something else (Jewish), and this distinguishing characteristic is already well-explained in their articles. All of the other main characters have not really had their religion established on the show. In short, I think the Religion info shouldn't be included in the infobox either, as everyone is either Roman Catholic, or hasn't had their religion verified (with the aforementioned exception). Each infobox would essentially be repeating the same info over and over with each different character.
Anyway, let me know if this proposal is okay. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 03:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Good suggestion on the AKA thing, especially considering the frequent name changes (Token, Butters's dad, Clyde also come to mind). Maybe have a nickname entry as well (Chef, Butters)? I forgot to mention this in the OP, but I also think that having a "Past character" infobox isn't necessary. Of all the recurring characters, Ms. Choksondik, Ms. Crabtree, and one of the mayor's aides are the only ones (excluding Chef, and of course, Kenny) who have died and thus had a "final" appearance. Chef is the only one who has his own article (in which his death has its own subsection), and the others really don't need infoboxes clogging up the articles of lists of other recurring characters. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 23:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Just adding this to ask for any opinions on the infoboxes for female characters who've been voiced by four separate actresses. Listing all four in one box kind of makes it look awkward, especially if you have a screen or browser that displays the dates underneath the names. Maybe leave it to say just April Stewart and include a note informing the reader to see the article for more info on who else has voiced a the character in the past? Not a critical issue, it's just a matter of aesthetics. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 10:02, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
This discussion originated on the discussion page for Kyle Broflovski, but seeing as how it concerns four articles all related to South Park I thought it would be best to run it by this page. And, seeing as how all four articles are currently GA nominees, I was hoping a resolution would be reached more quickly if the discussion was here as well.
Recently, on the infoboxes for Stan Marsh, Kyle, Kenny McCormick, and Eric Cartman I replaced:
In making a case for why the replaced images were more suitable, another editor had this to say (again, original discussion can be viewed
here
Overall, I DO AGREE with the fact that the png images are more faded than the svg ones. But, I feel this is a minor sacrifice; the svg images just have too much of a "fan re-drawing" look about them, and each one seems to have proportion issues (Stan's eyes look too large, Kyle's head looks too small under his hat, etc). I really do believe the png images are a more accurate depiction of what the characters really do look like. After all, they are official release images of the characters, available for use (and I can't stress this enough: they all have proper rationale). I also agree with the compression issue, but again, I feel this is a minor sacrifice when considering which set of images is a better representation of the actual characters.
I'm simply looking for some feedback on this issue. I clearly think the png images would be of more suitable use, but the svg ones are acceptable as well. It's just best that this gets resolved either way since the articles are currently GA nominees. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 17:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Hmm. Well, I still think, relative to the png images, that the svg ones are bad representations of what the characters actually look like. But ...if it is sharper colors and SVG Uber Alles, so be it. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 02:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
How about these?
File:StanMarsh1.svg
File:KyleBroflovski1.svg
They are SVGs and they look more like the characters than do the current SVGs. Colors on these can be darkened if the "fade" is still an issue. Feedback por favor! - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 14:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
...and these.
File:EricCartman1.svg
File:KennyMcCormick1.svg
If I may be so bold... I think the Stan, Kyle, and Cartman images would be better than what's in place now. I'll admit, the Kenny image is a better representation of the character but the quality is less than what is currently in use (I had a near-stroke-inducing time trying to trace the outline of his hood properly, and ultimately failed; as I said, I'm not Inkscape-savvy). So I myself vote against using it, but I'm still tossing it out there as a possibility. For a comparison, check out the infobox for Wendy Testaburger, to which I've uploaded an svg of her character. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 07:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I came across this AfD discussion and it got me thinking...
Would it be best to merge List of students at South Park Elementary, List of South Park families, List of staff at South Park Elementary, List of other South Park residents, and List of minor characters on South Park into List of characters in South Park? In essence, "eliminate the middleman" by making the "middleman" the primary article for all of these characters?
Here's what I would suggest:
It's just sloppy with the way it is now. Many characters fall under more than one category, so they have varying descriptions of about the same length on separate pages. Then again, I can see how many might feel that the way it is now is sufficiently practical. Heck, maybe all that is needed is a proper expansion of Category:South Park characters. All of what's above is less of a proposal and more of a suggestion of how to handle a mass merger if anyone might think that a merging of the lists would be reasonable. If so, I'd be more than happy to start all the work; tagging each article for a merger and opening a merger discussion on each article's respective talk page. Either way, I plan on cleaning up all of the articles mentioned above fairly soon. Thoughts? - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 19:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
...for any editor that can bring The Jeffersons (South Park) to Good Article status. See here. Pyrrhus 16 19:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
According to the South Park Studios FAQ here, there's a difference in production and airdate order for episodes 102 and 103; "While "Volcano" was episode #103 and "Weight Gain 4000" was #102, "Volcano" aired before "Weight Gain." Any thoughts on arranging that in the episode guides? Alastairward ( talk) 18:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The episode orders for some seasons on the main Wikipedia South Park page differ from those in the individual episode pages. These sometimes also differ with the episode listing at http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/ . Which episode order is correct? Ouizardus ( talk) 21:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have any of these books [5], so articles can actually contain something other than plot? OrangeDog ( talk • edits) 02:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
The ArticleAlertbot is currently down, so some may be unaware of a lot of the merger proposals for some SP characters pages. See the merge banners on List of South Park families and List of minor characters on South Park for more information. Also, some more feedback on one particular merger discussion on one talk page ( here and here) would be appreciated. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 00:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Wanted to bring this AFD to everyone's attention... — Hunter Kahn ( c) 20:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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I know this was discussed recently, but I'd like to raise the issue again. Converting images to SVG creates noticeable (non-trivial) differences, so they should be considered independent images, not just different file formats. There are two problems with this:
My understanding is the SVG images were created because the PNGs were either a) too undersaturated or dull-looking (which makes it original research, if they look undersaturated on TV then that's how we should portray them) or b) too low-resolution (which is moot because they're fair-use images). Is there any other reason to use the SVGs rather than screenshots? Noisalt ( talk) 20:59, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
(out)Good points. Should probably be PNGs then. OrangeDog ( talk • edits) 18:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't get the "it's fair use so is can't be SVG argument". We have lots of fair use SVG's around. -- Ysangkok ( talk) 21:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
South Park was promoted to GA-status, but some further input regarding the reliability of marinij.com and c21media.net would be appreciated. You can read all about it on the review page (see the comments towards the bottom half, under "References"). - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 19:37, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so I've noticed these days every character is being merged into lists due to "lack of nobility" and such. Why do we even have individual character articles? I think they should all be merged with the basic South Park article now. I mean, South Park has a vast array of characters and we already have 3 lists and arguably any non-core character is "fancruft" and non-notable - Stan, Kyle, Cartman and Butters are the only core characters, and Kenny's still notable if only due to his catchphrase. -- 24.12.214.185 ( talk) 11:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Well what's notable and what isn't is an opinion and by Wikipedia's opinion basically any character outside of the main five would basically be non-notable. Few sources outside of the show talk about Chef or Herbert Garrison. I mean, I love the show and if I had my way, I'd give all the important characters articles, but unfortunately Wikipedia's definition of 'important/notable' is different from mine and besides, it looks to me all the articles will be combined eventually. -- 24.12.214.185 ( talk) 21:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC) (My account is User:JohnVMaster, it keeps logging me out.)
Does anybody else think this template should be nominated for deletion? indopug ( talk) 15:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Some have stated they don't believe the Lollipop King article warrants its existence. It is so common a misheard lyric for a classic and extremely popular long seen movie, the Wizard of Oz, that even in the South Park movie they made the mistake of thinking it a real character, and added in it, as the king of the imaginary people, all notable imaginary characters throughout history there. Does that indicate notability? The massive number of Google hits for it I would think would prove it notable also. Please give your opinions there. Is it just trivia or is this a notable thing to have an article on? The lyrics to the munchkin greeting song are "we represent the Lollipop Guild", not the "Lollipop King". The article originally redirected to a list of South Park characters from the movie. Is it better suited doing that, elsewhere, or not existing at all, or should they leave it alone, it fine where it is? Dream Focus 16:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Wanted to bring Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Park action figures to everyone's attention in the hopes of generating more discussion, as it has failed to reach a consensus after several weeks and has been re-listed twice. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 03:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Just so you all know, I've listed Weight Gain 4000 for an FAC nomination. Any comments, criticism or otherwise feedback is welcome! — Hunter Kahn ( c) 06:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I've always remembered being taught that the title of a work is italicized, and that shorter pieces of work are not italicized, but placed within quotation marks when they are part of a larger body of work. (ex: The episode "Fat Camp" is part of a larger work: the series South Park). A while back, I went through several South Park-related articles (not all) and changed The Spirit of Christmas to "The Spirit of Christmas", as if it were part of the South Park body of work. Now I'm starting to have my doubts, and wish to establish some sort of consensus here. Keep in mind that, to simplify things, The Spirit of Christmas is usually used in articles to refer to both shorts, while "Jesus vs. Frosty/Santa" is used to refer to each one individually. So are these two shorts collectively part of the greater South Park body of work? Or, when paired as a series of two shorts, does it stand on its own? Thoughts, por favor. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 20:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey all. Just in case you ever think your South Park-related work goes unnoticed, I was looking through the page view stats for some of my DYKs, and I realized not only are the SP articles by far the most seen, but that five of the articles ( Fishsticks, The Ring, The Coon, Pinewood Derby and Margaritaville) are among the most viewed non-lead DYKs (meaning DYKs without a picture, as pictured DYKs tend to get the most hits). Not only that, but at around 23,500 page hits, Fishsticks is the single most viewed non-lead DYK, and it actually made the list of the most viewed overall DYKS! People are really reading our South Park stuff, folks! — Hunter Kahn ( c) 03:13, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I've been looking at the episode articles lately and noticed that some (including a few GAs) include the original airdates in both the US and the UK in the leads. This seems problematic to me; why is the airdate in the UK more worthy of an inclusion in the lead than the original airdates in Canada, Australia, etc.? To me, the only way to be fair would be to include the original airdates of every English-speaking country in which the episode original airs (which would make the lead far too long) or simply include the original US/North America airdates in the lead and create a separate section for airdates and reception in other countries (which to me, seems more practical). And this would be necessary only if it would be relevantly applicable (ex: info on UK reaction about Queen Elizabeth episode, Australian reaction to Steve Irwin episode, etc.) Thoughts? - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 08:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Anybody else thinking List of students at South Park Elementary and List of staff at South Park Elementary should be merged into South Park Elementary? Nergaal ( talk) 06:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
A now (seemingly) lost entry in the Southparkstudios FAQ gave the name of the episode above as 2000 because; "As explained in the FAQ section on the official website: "When the year 2000 was coming up, everyone and their brother had '2000' in the titles of their products and TV shows. America was obsessed with 2000, so Trey Parker put '2000' in the titles to make fun of the ubiquity of the phrase."".
I can't find this FAQ reference now and the entry for the episode on the site is given without the 2000. A google search brings up plenty of entries for both, which should be kept? Alastairward ( talk) 22:15, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm linking this discussion here because whatever decision comes out of it would affect the episode articles and not just apply to the show's page. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that most of the episode GAs don't contain season lists in their infobox, while most other episode articles do. Assuming this is the preferred method, do all other episode articles need to have the season list removed from the infobox? Or...do the GAs need to have season lists added to theirs? Either way, each episode article needs to be consistent with the others. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:43, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Where is the discussion in which it was decided not to add season list infoboxes? I find them very helpful when navigating episodes. Now Season 13 is inconsistent with other seasons. I can't find this discussion on any talk pages. laurap414 ( talk) 22:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Several episode articles contain "the episode was rated TV-MA in the United States" in the lead section. MOS:TV doesn't seem to have a guideline on how to present the content ratings of television shows, but a similar guideline ( MOS:FILM) states "Ratings given to individual films by motion picture rating systems will vary by territories in accordance to their cultures and their types of governance. In film articles, avoid indiscriminate identification of ratings and instead focus on ratings for which there is substantial coverage from reliable sources." (see MOS:FILM#Ratings)
Stating the MA rating in the US seems rather redundant to me, and also a little undue weight-ish. Every SP episode in the US is rated TV-MA, and the main article already covers this as well as briefly going into how other countries broadcast the show. Just a minor nitpick that I wanted to bring up. Any thoughts? - SoSaysChappy (talk) 16:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
The episode Best Friends Forever has been moved to Best Friends Forever (South Park Episode) after an article for the internet slang term BFF was created. It's late and I don't have the energy to check all this out right now, but I wondered if BFF was really a more important search term than the South Park episode. Alastairward ( talk) 00:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey all. I wanted to bring your attention to a discussion over at the Cartman Gets an Anal Probe page. There is a question over whether the infobox image should be used, and I wanted to get some other opinions. Thanks! — Hun ter Ka hn 05:11, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I was browsing and I discovered that there's an error in the ordering of the Season 3 infobox.
If you look at South Park (season 3), you'll see that 304 is 'Jackovasaurus' and 305 is 'Tweek vs. Craig'.
Now if you look at any of the episodes from season 3 and look at the infobox, you'll see that 304 and 305 have been mixed up, which is contradictory to their release dates, 16 and 23 of June respectively. Jackovasaurus couldn't possibely have come after Tweek vs. Craig.
I thought I'd bring it to your attention since I don't know how to edit infobox templates. Thank you. -- 138.217.152.62 ( talk) 12:55, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I was looking at Wikipedia:Reward board and saw something South Park related. So I'm just poionting out this to see if anyone wants to take the offer. GamerPro64 ( talk) 06:25, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I've asked the user responsible, but wondered if anyone else had a view on the removal of the lower navigation box from the episode articles? Alastairward ( talk) 21:14, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Why is the bottom of the infobox in Dances with Smurfs better than the one in Are You There God? It's Me, Jesus? Nergaal ( talk) 22:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
There's nothing here about the iPhone game South Park Mega Millionaire. Can we have an article created about it please? -- VitasV ( talk) 03:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Have these been scrubbed recently? The FAQs on the Southparkstudios site now only seem to go back to 2009 now, this could affect quite a few cites in articles. Alastairward ( talk) 00:00, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone actually read that section? Honestly, IGN is not a TV review site in the first place. This section always sounds so incredibly tacky when one reads a South Park article, and frankly its irrelevant and not real information that pertains to the episode. I might understand if every season had reception in place, but who's idea was it to put those horrible reviews as a standard for every South Park episode? I'd say if there was a 1-10 scale for well-written criticism that IGN's reviews wouldn't even break into the 1 level, because they are just that amateur and irrelevant. Let's just pretend they were the most amazing reviewers in the history of the world, is it really required that every single episode have that section? Look at other shows from the past of other series -- is there a reception section? Of course not, because that is so pointless and irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.206.190.113 ( talk) 15:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
I responded with Okay man, I agree with your logic there, except I really think you need to take a step back from black and white thinking and just really use common sense here. Firstly, its IGN. I personally do not care THAT much about this to try and figure out how to disprove the notability of a website on wikipedia, I just always use Wikipedia so much but the fact is, it irked me everytime I read this South Park page. I know enough to know poorly structured criticism when I see it, but for the reviews that are being included on this page? Come ON man. They aren't even content-driven. They are vaguely subjective to a point where they might've just said "I thought it was good." "I thought it was bad." Most of the times they repeat the line "But the episode was still funny." Really? That's like a music review saying "Yeah, but the music is still good." WHAT is that telling us? Far more relevant reception that goes along with your logic would be reception from the PUBLIC in terms of controversies and the such (see "With Apologies To Jesse Jackson"'s reception section). Frankly, leaving the reception in there as it is makes Wikipedia look like a joke site -- I know I'm not alone on this thought because I had a professor use a South Park episode to discuss social commentary and the impact on the public it had, but specifically told us not to use Wikipedia's entries for "Reception" due to how irrelevant they were. I'm not going to change it, but I felt I was at least doing my part by making the problem known. If no one wants to take this further, its not doing anything apart from making the site look bad.
Also: "as long as it comes from notable sources" <-- Once again, calling IGN a notable source for TV criticism is like calling your local newspaper's music review section the most relevant music criticism in the business -- though to be honest even that is being a bit generous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.206.190.113 ( talk) 04:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Fine I give up. I tried at least. I know real fans of the show who actually get what these episodes are about find this section to be absolutely ridiculous. Read up on genuine criticism and maybe then you'll see how ridiculous this is. Also, there aren't many but there a good handful of college professors for Freshman level classes that are younger and past the biases held against Wikipedia. Just because you've never had a professor doesn't mean they don't exist. But anyways, read up on real criticism. I've done my part, I just feel so embarrassed for MS & TP if they ever read any of these South Park articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.206.190.113 ( talk) 18:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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I am trying to make List of characters in South Park a featured list but a reviewer commented that it lacks a reception section a-la this or this. Anybody has some suggestions where could I find a review on the characters of the show in general? Thanks, Nergaal ( talk) 05:39, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Page to create. Note to self / reminder.
Model it after List of awards and nominations received by The Simpsons.
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There were five people in this list when I looked at it, and I've fully sourced all of them except Jonathan Kimmel. For some reason, that was the one I had the most trouble finding sources for, even though he was probably the one I had heard the most about going in. If anybody can help me find additional sources for him, that'd be great... — Hun ter Ka hn 00:31, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Just so you all know, I've nominated South Park (season 13) for GT. — Hun ter Ka hn 04:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys. Would you mind weighing in on the discussion at Talk:Sexual Healing (South Park) regarding the quote box (which has been removed). I've made my points that it should stay in, so has the objector that it should not, and frankly, I've already wasted too much energy on what is ultimately a trivial matter. I'd much rather get a WP:CONSENSUS developed than keep going back and forth with him, so your thoughts would be much appreciated. — Hun ter Ka hn 14:45, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
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With the recent "You Have 0 Friends" episode, you can see Stan and Kyle's birthdates listed on their Facebook pages. Seeing as how using a primary source to establish a birthday is perfectly legitimate, and how the dates have real-world interest for perhaps character development (Stan shares Trey's birthday, Kyle shares Matt's), there really isn't any guideline that discourages the inclusion of this material.
But the character articles are being edited to reflect the birth years as 2001. Considering the nature of the show (the characters don't age), does it make sense to include the year as the "official", since, technically, a primary source validates it? - SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:08, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Just so you all know, South Park (season 13) has been nominated for FA. Cheers! — Hun ter Ka hn 16:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if the ArticleAlertBot would have caught this or not. If anyone is interested: Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion#Who_Cartman.27s_Father_is - SoSaysChappy (talk) 19:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
I opened a detailed discussion and appended it with a proposed plot summary which I later inserted into the article. It was quickly reverted back to the expanded summary under the rationale that the lack of a revert up until the day after I replaced it constituted a consensus in favor of the expanded version. I'm inviting others to discuss it there in an attempt to generate a more thorough consensus. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 06:05, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Just to let you guys know, there is debate on whether or not File:Sp 1406 Sorry.jpg should be considered for commons inclusion at Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2010_April_23#File:Sp_1406_Sorry.jpg. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx ( talk) 11:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
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Due to the increasing emphasis on morals at the end of South Park episodes, would it be a good idea to include the 'moral of the story' in the episode description? Just an idea I had.
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Naylor182
19:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The page has been created. Please help by adding to it, but keep to the format.
Danke,
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Naylor182
15:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I have seen a plethora of South Park articles that have absolutely dire grammar and/or spelling. Some sentences aren't technically even sentences. This is a major issue. The grammar and spelling of an article is pivotal to the presentation.
Can I ask two things:
1) If you are bad at spelling, don't guess. Look up the word.
2) Can people help me with reforming the standard of spelling and grammar in the SP pages?
Cheers,
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Naylor182
14:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I think we need to put a vandal proof on the List of South Park episodes page. Various occurances of vandalism has come to my attention such as a fake post about an episode called "Cartmanacopedia" in which Cartman discovers Wikipedia. It was soon removed though. To keep this article from confusing people we should give it vandal proof. Mr. Garrison 18:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed there are two articles, one called List of South Park songs and another called List of songs featured on South Park. It appears the first one is "original" material (although it seems excessive to me) and the second one is a list of "real" songs that were either played or mentioned in an episode (like, famously, "Come Sail Away"). Seems like these two lists could be merged somehow. -- dakern74 ( talk) 00:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I would say to merge the first into the second, but with a heading that sets it off from the rest. They are two totally different things, sure, but I agree that they can fall into the same article as songs of South Park. ~greenodonata
I have just made a page for Minor Characters in South Park and I think we should merge some articles into it such as Crab People, The Harrisons, God, Scott Tenorman, Ms. Claridge etc. If anyone agrees with me please reply here. Mr. Garrison ( talk · contribs)
Mr. Garrison 22:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Also people are adding many characters all the time, to be a minor character they should have appeared either 2 or 3 times. 1 appearence makes them a ONE-OFF CHARACTER.
See my addition on the talk page of
Minor Characters in South Park. Let me know what you think.
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Naylor182
13:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I've done some cleanup of the to-do list on the project page; many of the characters there have now been listed on the minor character and one-off character lists. Captain Infinity 20:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Way too much trivia, makes the articles look bad. Put important information in the article itself (not in notes, trivia, goofs, culture references, etc), and keep unimportant things off. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan's guide to every little note or mistake. Episode articles seem to be the most common place to find too much trivia, but it happens on other South Park articles as well. Trivia sections don't always need to be removed, but try to keep it small: between 1 and 4 items is acceptable, in my opinion. Remember: important things, not non-notable things. RobJ1981 04:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree, personally what is the point of adding goofs and notes. If we're South Park fans why do we want to bring up mistakes and ruin the appearence on articles with notes and all that. I think 6-8 trivial facts are enough. If there are very important ones put them on the article's talk page. If agreed with it can be added.
I would suggest rebraning Triva as "Episode Notes" or similar. I understand Wikipedia want to lose trivia sections however in the case of individual SP eps I don't think it's too much of an issue, such as useful titbits like "Cartman doing X parodies the time Butters did Y in episode Z". 84.65.12.135 18:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree that having too many trivia sections is too much. I don't think wikipedia is the right place for goofs, 'did you notice' or other pedantic material. However, I think each episode should have a "References" section. It's a credit to the show that they make several references,. The references aren't "trivial" to South Park, but rather a main characteristic of each show. Furthermore, "fitting in" every reference into the plot description usually bogs down the description and makes it difficult to read. The references are best presented in a list format. Is there any way this can be put to a vote or something? Every single episode's discussion page has this same debate. Blakecarlile ( talk) 21:36, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I've railed against this in all the episode discussions and I couldn't agree more that we oughtta put it to a vote. I don't like having multiple sections for this kind of stuff, thats just silly, but a single section for describing cultural references of interest should be the norm for South Park episode entries and we shouldn't have to fight with these glorified librarians who delete everything that doesn't meet their arbitrary criteria for what an encyclopedia 'should' be —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snafu7x7 ( talk • contribs) 02:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Also, the argument I always hear from detractors is that it violates the guidelines of Wikipedia's policy against Trivia sections. Then they invariably reference WP:TRIV as their justification for deleting content. This is hilarious because they've obviously not read this guideline carefully. What the guideline says is to "Avoid creating lists of miscellaneous facts", especially those that are not referenced and verifiable, I fully support that, but where a post is valid, properly referenced and adds to the overall value of the article it should never be deleted. The guideline even says this explicitly, a fact the delete-happy always fail to mention, to quote, it say: "This guideline does not suggest removing trivia sections, or moving them to the talk page. If information is otherwise suitable, it is better that it be poorly presented than not presented at all." Snafu7x7 ( talk) 04:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations to everyone who contributed towards Trapped in the Closet (South Park), which now has good article status. However, the main article about South Park really does need improving, given that it is one of the 50 most visited articles on Wikipedia, and it has been tagged as an article requiring cleanup since last month. Here are a list of suggestions towards improving it towards good and eventually featured article status:
Cite sources when analysing episodes, as Wikipedia is not the place for original research.
Follow the style of other television show articles that have good and featured article status.
Integrate trivia into the article where possible.
Add any more suggestions if possible.
Watch37264 15:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed quite a lot of links to other non-SP articles with random words like "sex" (linking to the sex article) and "hostage" (linking to the article for hostage) in many episode articles. I do not think these are necessary and I suggest them to be cleaned up. Bittersky 21:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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This is getting out of hand. People are freely deleting articles and merging them when they don't need it. Some characters don't even have the character template on their page and all articles need to have the South Park characters template so other articles can be linked. I'm also having a hard time finding out who voices who for:
and many more. If you know could you please say.
I noticed that none of the pages share the same format, so I was thinking there should probably be one. I was thinking it would be something like I did to Ike's page. The personality section would have subsections if they're relevant such as Satan's relationships section could be under it. Then the accomplishments section would replace the mention of every single episode as that seems unencyclopedic. Thoughts? Nemu 19:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
--introduction--
(who is character?)
(voiced by?)
--character traits--
(appearence?)
(behaviour?)
(personality?)
--family/friends--
(links to other relatives with brief description of them)
--career/lifestyle--
(any hobbies?)
(job? has job been relevant in episodes?)
--important points of their life--
(major points in episodes, such as Cartman's Mom is Still a Dirty Slut for Ms. Cartman)
(goals in life?)
--appearences--
(what episodes? brief description)
--trivia--
(important facts)
-- Naylor182 14:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I have started work on a portal for South Park. Feel free to contribute. Watch37264 14:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Here is the South Park portal if you would like to help. Watch37264 16:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
FYI, someone's nominated this portal for a proposed delete (not me!). Thought you might want to know. – Little Miss Might Be Wrong 04:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I have now nominated the portal for deletion. Watch37264 20:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
A ton of articles require cleanup. [List of minor characters on South Park]] has no lead, and is written from an in-universe style. South Park families should be moved to List of families of South Park per WP:MOS-T. Several other articles are written from an informal tone, witch isn't encyclopedic etc. We should address this ASAP. -- Selmo ( talk) 23:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
It is important to assess all articles relating to South Park in terms of their quality. Also, could someone expand the template to include the importance of the article within South Park. I have tried and failed on several occassions. This would be very helpful as we need to identify which articles need improving the most as well as the most important articles. Thanks. Watch37264 16:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I've have to remove 3 examples of these and i've very very minor interesting in south park . User of this project should be keeping a very active eye out for this ( Gnevin 18:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC))
All of the character links proposed for merging with the List of minor characters now redirect to the aforementioned List. Should this task therefore be deleted? Samurai V 13:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
The article Homes in South Park is up for deletion. It's the first time I saw this article, and I probably would have nominated it myself. This whole project seems to be pure fancruft, now that I really think of it. -- Selmo ( talk) 17:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm giving each season it's own article just like the Simpsons. Please do not create articles for seasons that haven't been made, I'm up to season five. Please do not add an article for season 6, season 7, season 8, season 9, season 10 because I have done them on my own specific format.
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 15:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Just a word of warning, keep an eye out for vandalism and misleading information on the episode page about season 11 eps. I found "Return of Darth Chef". Just a reminder, season 11 starts March 7th! *Mr. GaRRiSoN 23:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Someone has been adding "past South Park character" to some characters who haven't appeared for quite a time. I'd like to know, how is a "past character" defined? I mean, calling them "past" is a little bit over the top, but not calling them so is crystallballing, as it predicts they are sure to return. But, then again, we would then have to include "past" to every secondary or reccuring character after each apisode in which they weren't featured, and that is quite irrational.-- Orthologist 17:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
While I took alot of time to cleanup and condense Butters' main article, could some of you help me cite the sources so we can get this article a good rating. Thrawny 17:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
In the process of attempting to limit the amount of Series-specific episode infoboxes, I have now landed at South Park :D. Replacing all usages of this template by hand is just an enormous task. I'm considering replacing the current contents with the template with User:TheDJ/SandboxTemplate3. On article pages you will then end up with this (see box at the bottom). After this a bot can subst: all the transclusions of the template without breaking the box. You will end up with a less then optimal subst: result See this diff, but it doesn't interfere with the functionality of the infobox, and it saves a whole lot of work. Opinions please ? -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 12:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Should most of the characters be merged with the various lists? After looking at most of the articles, the bulk of them are stubs or would be stubs after the removal of trivial information. Only the main characters and the major secondary characters should need pages. Nemu 19:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm just lazy. I'll get the rest eventually. TTN 02:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Whoa-Whoa-Whoa! What are you talking about? Bebe Stevens' article was not a stub! Neither was Clyde Donovan's! Or Wendy Testaburger's! As I said elsewhere, if the character has enough information to fill at least seven paragraphs, (granted, these paragraphs are about ten lines each), give them their own, private article! It's only fair to the character! Geesh! Wilhelmina Will June 24th, 2007.
Well, a consensus must be reached to use specific images on the 4 main characters articles.
Resons: For the Stan image, check here. About the others, all of those images descriptions (on their description pages) say: "released to the public for any wanted use". NOOO, all of those images are copyrighted. If it really were released to the public for any wanted use, anyone would create a program called North Park and use this images for the main characters.
Another thing is that SVG images should be used over PNG and other formats. Check Wikipedia:Use SVG over PNG. Armando.O talk • Ev 02:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I've checked the new images that FictionH has uploaded and I think it's ok. Maybe the best thing we can use, except for the Kyle image. Please upload (replace the actual) a better one. Armando.O talk • Ev 03:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) They are also used to show emphasis to certain points. IF I TYPE LIKE THSI THEN I'M SHOUTING, BUT I WOULD NEVER DO THAT. I just care very much about good quality articles, and making images, that are simply not free and never will be free, be proper content in wikipedia is just a difficult proces that is not fully understood by all people; and with reason, because the law is very annoying in this respect. The law is written for professional book editors, not for casual webeditors, and that causes a lot of confusion within wikipedia. I'm just trying to show what the best way is to include these images, without others having cause to remove them in the future. See also WP:IDP#Fair_use_rationale -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 15:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, the only solution is:
I'm fairly unfamiliar with the Fair Use policies and Copyright laws, so forgive me if I'm completely off base here... Would it be possible to use pictures and screencaps that are posted on www.southparkstudios.com since that is the official site of the studio? They have a vast collection of images there, I don't think we'd have much problem finding decent pictures over there. Tweeks Coffee 21:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
The List of one-off characters on South Park page has been nominated for deletion. The nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination. If you have an opinion on this issue, please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of one-off characters on South Park and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Captain Infinity 00:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that we should redo the list. I don't see why it was even deleted in the first place.-- Cartman005 04:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
This article has been nominated for deletion. Come participating and giving your opinion about this article here. DeansFA 13:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys. The article Dirka dirka is up for deletion. [1]. Could you guys go over there make a convincing argument to save it? It's a popular enough phrase to be included. -- Candy-Panda 09:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
This seems like the best place to raise this issue, which I feel silly to make a big deal about but I feel like it shouldn't be ignored. In both Free Willzyx and The Snuke, there is a brief music cue when the boys are dealing with Russians. Someone is chanting, presumably in Russian, but it's very short and indistinct. The inspiration is obvious - any number of Cold War thrillers and action films include similar, vague music when showing scenes of Russia, the Soviet Union or Eastern Europe. Just of the top of my head, The Hunt for Red October, The Peacemaker are good examples.
The problem, as I see it, is that one user in particular insists that this music is actually from Darkstalkers, specifically related to the character of Jedah Dohma. When he levitates onto the screen, there is similar, indistinct chanting in the background. But there is no way to definitively identify that music with this music used in South Park. It's far too brief. The fact that the music sounds the same is an opinion, not a fact, so it cannot be confirmed simply by ear.
I have tried to remove these points from the articles and voiced my concerns on their respective talk pages, but this user doesn't want to hear me. His "evidence" is a link to videos containing the Darkstalkers music, which is irrelevant. Just because two pieces of music sound alike (which I would not even agree with in this case) I don't think it's encyclopedic to include it. South Park episode articles are already choked with "trivia" and "cultural references" as it is. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub ( contributions) 14:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
the "top-importence" catagory contains bigger longer and uncut, yet the talkpage of bigger longer & uncut says it is midimportence. isnt htat automated in some way?· Lygophile has spoken 22:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
The WikiProject Television episode coverage taskforce have recently been working on a review process for episode articles. There are a rash of articles about individual episodes which fail notability, and are unlikely to ever reach such requirements. Many contributors are unaware of the specific guidelines to assess notability in episode pages: Wikipedia:Television episodes. We have expanded these guidelines to make them more helpful and explanatory, and we invite you to read the guidelines, and make any comments on its talk page. After much discussion, we have created a proposed review process for dealing with problem articles. See: Wikipedia:Television article review process. We invite discussion of this process on its talk page. General comments about this whole process are welcome at the episode coverage taskforce talkpage. Thanks! Gwinva 10:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I've created an article for Matt and Trey's upcoming film, Giant Monsters Attack Japan!. It is in need of expert editing. If you want to help improve the article, you can discuss it on the talk page. Thank you.-- Swellman 18:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I have moved the article for the episode from its previous title "Spookyfish" under the "Spooky Fish". The latest is the title that TV.com refers to. I have also corrected the references in the text and in the episode list for Season 2, as used in the infobox. I understand that this maybe is a change that will affect a lot of things, so I thought that it would be appropriate to notify you. -- Dead3y3 Talk page 08:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
This project DOES seem to be a little inactive. We should start doing some stuff to avoid a mfd. -- Scorpion 0422 07:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
As some of you may or may not have noticed, I have been through each episode of South Park, trying to eliminate a lot of useless Trivia which could be considered Original Research, speculation, or just plain irrelevant. However, one thing that has annoyed the crap out of me is the "goofs" bit. Unlike the Trivia bit, where some of it could be relevant, or be integrated into other things, I move to state that the goofs part is entirely irrelevant, and in no way worthy of an encyclopedia. Can mistakes of and episode be considered encyclopedic in any way? I highly doubt this, and put forward the idea of removing all "goofs" bits - if these is agreed, I will personally do it myself.
Whether or not this will include the inconsistencies with other episodes, I hope to discuss here, what I want to definitely be removed is the nonsense like "Cartman was seeing getting in the left side of the car, but he is later seen on the right", etc. ≈ The Haunted Angel 21:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Imaginationland is going to require quite a bit of watching. Anonymous users keep added a list of every inhabitant that was in Imaginationland, blatantly ignoring WP:NOT#INFO Dlong 16:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
-- PFHLai 03:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I was just checking to see if you all keep tracking of the "Did you know?" statistics on this WikiProject, or not, or if not, if you want to start doing that? Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 05:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC).
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tsst. 96T 21:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
This is a large ongoing debate: should the three episodes be merged together into one single article, or not? The discussion is located HERE. Just thought the WikiProject should know. The Chronic 02:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Can we do something about the inhabitants of Imaginationland list? Perhaps a separate article as I have already tried to do?-- Cartman005 21:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm proposing a new way of numbering all episodes. Instead of using the chronological number or the prod code (which are shown in the infobox anyway), we should list the season number and which season it came from. For examples of articles in which this system is being used, see episode articles of the simpsons or futurama.
The problem with using chronological numbering or prod codes is that they can confuse casual readers, and can also cause arguments as to which one should be used. For examples of south park articles where his is already being used, see Trapped in the Closet (South Park).
“ | "Trapped in the Closet", is the |
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— How lead sections shouldn't start. |
“ | "Trapped in the Closet", is |
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— How lead sections shouldn't start. |
“ | "Trapped in the Closet", the twelfth episode of the ninth season of the Comedy Central series South Park, originally aired on November 16, 2005. | ” |
— How all lead sections should start. |
So, what do you all think? For or against?-- Swellman 22:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if the Comedy WikiProject is a parent to this WikiProject? Is it so and it should be noted on the WikiProject? ISD 12:17, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of places in South Park 96T 19:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Park credits 96T 21:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Kenny's deaths (2nd nomination) 96T ( talk) 18:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
The South Park Project has to decide on how we want to handle multiple part episodes like Imaginationland. They should either all be seperate or merged. This is a huge debate that has been going on on the Imaginationland page. We also need to decide what to do with the list of imaginary characters in Imaginationland. There is a lot of support to keep the list though it is mostly useless trivia. I made a separate page for the list which was deleted in favor of having separate lists on each of the episodes' pages. They now go back and forth on deleting and reverting these lists.-- Cartman005 15:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
my vote is to have the episodes stand on their own. they each have enough substance to fill a whole page, and we can link them together as a 1,2,3 link. imagine taking the whole series page, and just breaking it apart, and having it read as such. Coffeepusher 18:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi. A discussion on the episodes MoS is here. As an article under the project's scope is used as an example, you are encouraged to contribute. Will ( talk) 15:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Can Eric_Cartman be re-assessed please as a lot of changes have been made, and I need to see if my changes are in the scope of the project. Philbuck222 ( talk) 22:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I'd like to make a new proposal. I know that South Park episodes (as episodes of any TV show) are seperated into seasons, and that's perfectly logical and nice. However, I think that there should be some indication of seperate runs within a season.
The system in which seasons of South Park are structured is basically the same since season 4, that is, there's a run of around 7-9 episodes in the interval of around March-June, and another run around October-December. The episodes within one run are created from week to week, however there is a big gap between two runs. If you notice, Matt and Trey always think about the runs differently (listen to the DVD commentaries for example); the clips shown in the background during the theme are updated with clips from the last run, etc.
I'm not saying that we should break episodes into other subsections. However, I do suggest that there should be a slight indication of the "run-break":
it should say
...because, frankly, the frequency of the episodes is really not even in an interval that big, when there is actually a six month gap between two episodes.
Please post your comments/opinions.
-- Szajd ( talk) 20:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I've loved South Park for years, so is it alright if I become a member? Goldfishsoldier ( talk) 00:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Over the past months, TV episodes have been reverted by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [2]. -- Maniwar ( talk) 00:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
WP:FICT, the notability guideline for elements within a work of fiction (characters, places, elements, etc) has a new proposal/revision that is now live [3] Everyone is encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page. Ned Scott 22:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a proposal to split WP:EPISODE into a more general notability guideline, Wikipedia:Notability (serial works), and make the rest of WP:EPISODE just a MOS guideline. Please join in at WT:EPISODE#Proposed split of EPISODE and/or Wikipedia talk:Notability (serial works). -- Ned Scott 22:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm trying to characterize cartmans relationship with Stan Kyle and Kenny, but, as I said, I have writers block. Can someone help me out? Goldfishsoldier ( talk) 07:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
is it South Park or Southpark? ♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ ( talk) 03:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Both of these characters satisfy the requirements for the minor character list, as stated on the South Park characters page: they have appeared in at least one episode. However, they are not on there, nor are they on the List of One-off characters, which seems to have disappeared. I notice that Lemmiwinks once had his own article, but it got redirected to The Death Camp of Tolerance. Similarly, the giant taco that craps ice cream is a redirect to Cancelled (South Park). I feel that these characters should either appear in a list or in their own articles. Either of them is easily more popular than, say, Bradley, and yet he appears in a list while they do not. Is there a good reason for this? I could add them in, if the reason is simple laziness. Thanks! Cerebellum ( talk) 14:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Two SP articles are currently nominated for deletion:
96T ( talk) 16:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Looks like the ongoing WP:AfD for this article has been withdrawn by nominator - I added some sources and a Reception section, could use a bit more expansion from coverage in other secondary sources, and also some copyediting to the plot section, but wouldn't take much for this to be a WP:GAC-worthy article. Cirt ( talk) 00:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Are there any copyright restrictions necessary for South Park episodes and pictures. I mean, the producers said they have nothing against people copying their work. diego_pmc ( talk) 19:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
A request for comment has been made to determine if the Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) proposal has consensus. Since this project deals with many fictional topics, I am commenting here. Input on the proposal is welcome here. -- Pixelface ( talk) 01:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
My pet project for the last couple of days has been overhauling the Eric Cartman article. It now has a photo montage, 25 references, perfect (or at least close) spelling/grammar etc, and has been reorganized and largely rewritten. I'm considering nominating it for GA status, why don't you guys take a look and see if you think this would be a good idea? L'Aquatique review 04:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
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Could one of you South Park experts have a look at Eric Cartman? There have been many recent edits that may be vandalism, incorrect edits of good faith, or correct edits, but I can't tell the difference. - Richard Cavell ( talk) 02:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
If www.southparkstudios.com the actual official site from the creators of the show, is it ok (from a copyright point of view) to link to the full episodes through it? Alastairward ( talk) 08:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I'd believe so, yes. —Preceding
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I understand that trivia is discouraged in the wikipedia standards but trivia is a big part of this show. Not everyone gets all the references and trivia helps. Is there a way to get trivia about south park back in, in a way that complies with the wiki standards.
I agree, however this issue is adressed above...and I believe that the discussion came to the right conclusion, which is that there is so much trivia that it can fill up the entire site. You understand that we would be opening up the door to trivia on over 150 episodes, the personal lives of Matt and Tray, every suptle joke, "spoting the alien", etc.
That beeing said, I believe that the realy relevent "trivia" can easily be incorperated into the page as relivent information on the show, and we can leave it to the audiance to discover the rest... you can also provide a link to a trivia site as a for more information link. you may also see if you can create pages for the realy hard hitting shows, and incorperate the facts...however I am not shure how successfull that will be. Coffeepusher 07:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
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Worth remembering that "cultural references" are just another form of trivia. Trivia lists themselves are an expansion of small parts of the plot and so should be merged into the main article (if citeable) or removed to keep the articles nice and easy on the eye. Alastairward ( talk) 19:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The Article Hooked on Monkey Phonics is titled wrong. The spelling the show uses is Fonics not Phonics which is how the word is spelled for the actual program Hooked on Phonics. Yami ( talk) 19:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Below are all the character pages. Please help me by filling them in because I really am stuck on some.
unreliable but still: [4] Nergaal ( talk) 07:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey there, would it be a wise idea to use created characters from the "Create your own South Park Character" game at southparkstudios.com to put up some clearer images of characters for their pages? For example, here's Stan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:StanSP.png
Not 100% sure about the copyright requirements and stuff, but if it's okay to do I guess anyone can do the rest. So yeah, thoughts? :) Goroliath
Unfortunately, whether you make the character yourself or use an image or them, they are still copyrighted. It's like plagarism, because you made an image, 100% similar to another work, but pass it off as "self made". However, using Wikipedia's Non-Free Image rational, we CAN use good images of them, because there's not free alternative C. Pineda (クリス) ( talk) 06:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
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here's some work for you guys.. get the South Park article up to GA standards. - - ' The Spook ( TALK) ( Share the Love with Barnstars) 21:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I started a discussion at the SP talkpage and would like to get your input. All the info is there. Thanks. -- Armchair info guy ( talk) 06:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I've been looking at articles on South Park episodes. Many of them just consist of the episodes' plot. They would be much improved if they contained information outside of that which you can gain from watching the episodes. For example, ratings figures and any notable controversies. Discussions of the popular culture references used in the episodes would also be useful, as understanding of the satirical/parody aspects of an episode requires a knowledge of the topics in question. Notable in-universe character development, landmarks etc. could also be discussed. Plot sections in general should be shortened, which would be made easier by discussing the above in separate sections, rather than in the plot prose. – OrangeDog ( talk • edits) 01:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that lots of material identifying cultural references has been removed for not having citations. As most can be verified by looking at the relevant episode, and what it's a copy of, I think it can legitimately be re-inserted. – OrangeDog ( talk • edits) 01:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to say thanks for doing this. I've been trying to correct Stan's article(When it came to heritage and veganism, I posted in the discusdsion.)
Just thought I'd explain to everyone that I've split the character lists up to families, townsfolk, school staff, school students, occasional characters and I've kept the minors.
Save the premiere, Mechastreisland and the season finale, very little seems to be of note. Anything that can bump up the notability of season 1 eps before merging them? Alastairward ( talk) 21:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, User: Greg D. Barnes left me these messages on my Talk Page informing me that there was a disagreement over a merge suggestion that had been made on a few episode articles. Specifically, Greg named " An Elephant Makes Love to a Pig", " Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo", " Pinkeye", as the episodes on which User:Alastairward placed merge suggestion tags, and stated that Alastair and User:The Video Game Master were arguing over issues pertaining to WP:OWN regarding this disagreement. Looking over the info in question, here are some preliminary thoughts that immediately come to mind.
Regarding the merges themselves:
I'd say keep the articles. I'd rather have just a plot summary than no article at all.-- Greg D. Barnes ( talk) 22:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
This is not the proper place to discuss a merge. The following talk pages are also not the proper place to discuss a merge:
The proper place to discuss a merge is the article that the episode articles were proposed to merge to, Talk:List of South Park episodes. Thanks. -- Pixelface ( talk) 12:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Now hold on a second, I read throughout this section, and Alastairward's logic is to delete the non-notable episodes of South Park, and THEN take that info in the plot and beef up the episode guides. That doesn't sound like a bad idea at all! Any input?-- Greg D. Barnes ( talk) 22:55, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
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Please see Talk:List_of_South_Park_episodes#Merger_proposal. Cirt ( talk) 05:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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The article
Professor Chaos (character) was created recently, but it's merely a verbatim C&P of a few sentences already included in the main
Butters Stotch article. So, I have nominated it for deletion, and suggested a search on the specific character (not the eponymous episode) be redirected to the Butters article, where Prof. Chaos is fairly well explained (short of fancruft). Anyway, please post thoughts here or at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Professor Chaos (character). Thanks. -
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I've placed a modified version of the character infobox on my sandbox here.
I would definitely like to use this as the template instead, but before changing the old one, I thought it'd be best to discuss it first. I modeled it after the infobox for Simpsons characters ("Simpsons did it! Simpsons did it!"), only because I thought it's a better way to display where a character made their first appearance. If a character appeared in the shorts, you can put which short they appeared in first (Jesus vs. Frosty or Jesus vs. Santa), in addition to which episode in which they first appeared.
Some other I'd like to address as well:
1. Age - All of the main child characters are 8-9, and in their articles it is explained that throughout the series they have been in the third and fourth grade. The ages of most of the adult characters have never been established. Each one has an age listed in their infobox without a source backing it up. Off the top of my head, I only know of a couple of adult characters who've had their exact ages revealed on the show (Mr. Garrison and Grandpa). Combined with the whole "floating timeline" thing, I don't think it's necessary to include ages in the infobox. One can read a certain character's article and determine through common sense that the person is in the late 30s-early 40s region.
2. Religion - Religion has indeed been the major topic of many episodes, with many characters changing their religion to suit the purposes of the plot. However, most of the characters who have had their primary religion established are Roman Catholic. Only Kyle and his family have been established as something else (Jewish), and this distinguishing characteristic is already well-explained in their articles. All of the other main characters have not really had their religion established on the show. In short, I think the Religion info shouldn't be included in the infobox either, as everyone is either Roman Catholic, or hasn't had their religion verified (with the aforementioned exception). Each infobox would essentially be repeating the same info over and over with each different character.
Anyway, let me know if this proposal is okay. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 03:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Good suggestion on the AKA thing, especially considering the frequent name changes (Token, Butters's dad, Clyde also come to mind). Maybe have a nickname entry as well (Chef, Butters)? I forgot to mention this in the OP, but I also think that having a "Past character" infobox isn't necessary. Of all the recurring characters, Ms. Choksondik, Ms. Crabtree, and one of the mayor's aides are the only ones (excluding Chef, and of course, Kenny) who have died and thus had a "final" appearance. Chef is the only one who has his own article (in which his death has its own subsection), and the others really don't need infoboxes clogging up the articles of lists of other recurring characters. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 23:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Just adding this to ask for any opinions on the infoboxes for female characters who've been voiced by four separate actresses. Listing all four in one box kind of makes it look awkward, especially if you have a screen or browser that displays the dates underneath the names. Maybe leave it to say just April Stewart and include a note informing the reader to see the article for more info on who else has voiced a the character in the past? Not a critical issue, it's just a matter of aesthetics. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 10:02, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
This discussion originated on the discussion page for Kyle Broflovski, but seeing as how it concerns four articles all related to South Park I thought it would be best to run it by this page. And, seeing as how all four articles are currently GA nominees, I was hoping a resolution would be reached more quickly if the discussion was here as well.
Recently, on the infoboxes for Stan Marsh, Kyle, Kenny McCormick, and Eric Cartman I replaced:
In making a case for why the replaced images were more suitable, another editor had this to say (again, original discussion can be viewed
here
Overall, I DO AGREE with the fact that the png images are more faded than the svg ones. But, I feel this is a minor sacrifice; the svg images just have too much of a "fan re-drawing" look about them, and each one seems to have proportion issues (Stan's eyes look too large, Kyle's head looks too small under his hat, etc). I really do believe the png images are a more accurate depiction of what the characters really do look like. After all, they are official release images of the characters, available for use (and I can't stress this enough: they all have proper rationale). I also agree with the compression issue, but again, I feel this is a minor sacrifice when considering which set of images is a better representation of the actual characters.
I'm simply looking for some feedback on this issue. I clearly think the png images would be of more suitable use, but the svg ones are acceptable as well. It's just best that this gets resolved either way since the articles are currently GA nominees. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 17:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Hmm. Well, I still think, relative to the png images, that the svg ones are bad representations of what the characters actually look like. But ...if it is sharper colors and SVG Uber Alles, so be it. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 02:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
How about these?
File:StanMarsh1.svg
File:KyleBroflovski1.svg
They are SVGs and they look more like the characters than do the current SVGs. Colors on these can be darkened if the "fade" is still an issue. Feedback por favor! - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 14:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
...and these.
File:EricCartman1.svg
File:KennyMcCormick1.svg
If I may be so bold... I think the Stan, Kyle, and Cartman images would be better than what's in place now. I'll admit, the Kenny image is a better representation of the character but the quality is less than what is currently in use (I had a near-stroke-inducing time trying to trace the outline of his hood properly, and ultimately failed; as I said, I'm not Inkscape-savvy). So I myself vote against using it, but I'm still tossing it out there as a possibility. For a comparison, check out the infobox for Wendy Testaburger, to which I've uploaded an svg of her character. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 07:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I came across this AfD discussion and it got me thinking...
Would it be best to merge List of students at South Park Elementary, List of South Park families, List of staff at South Park Elementary, List of other South Park residents, and List of minor characters on South Park into List of characters in South Park? In essence, "eliminate the middleman" by making the "middleman" the primary article for all of these characters?
Here's what I would suggest:
It's just sloppy with the way it is now. Many characters fall under more than one category, so they have varying descriptions of about the same length on separate pages. Then again, I can see how many might feel that the way it is now is sufficiently practical. Heck, maybe all that is needed is a proper expansion of Category:South Park characters. All of what's above is less of a proposal and more of a suggestion of how to handle a mass merger if anyone might think that a merging of the lists would be reasonable. If so, I'd be more than happy to start all the work; tagging each article for a merger and opening a merger discussion on each article's respective talk page. Either way, I plan on cleaning up all of the articles mentioned above fairly soon. Thoughts? - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 19:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
...for any editor that can bring The Jeffersons (South Park) to Good Article status. See here. Pyrrhus 16 19:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
According to the South Park Studios FAQ here, there's a difference in production and airdate order for episodes 102 and 103; "While "Volcano" was episode #103 and "Weight Gain 4000" was #102, "Volcano" aired before "Weight Gain." Any thoughts on arranging that in the episode guides? Alastairward ( talk) 18:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The episode orders for some seasons on the main Wikipedia South Park page differ from those in the individual episode pages. These sometimes also differ with the episode listing at http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/ . Which episode order is correct? Ouizardus ( talk) 21:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have any of these books [5], so articles can actually contain something other than plot? OrangeDog ( talk • edits) 02:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
The ArticleAlertbot is currently down, so some may be unaware of a lot of the merger proposals for some SP characters pages. See the merge banners on List of South Park families and List of minor characters on South Park for more information. Also, some more feedback on one particular merger discussion on one talk page ( here and here) would be appreciated. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 00:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Wanted to bring this AFD to everyone's attention... — Hunter Kahn ( c) 20:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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I know this was discussed recently, but I'd like to raise the issue again. Converting images to SVG creates noticeable (non-trivial) differences, so they should be considered independent images, not just different file formats. There are two problems with this:
My understanding is the SVG images were created because the PNGs were either a) too undersaturated or dull-looking (which makes it original research, if they look undersaturated on TV then that's how we should portray them) or b) too low-resolution (which is moot because they're fair-use images). Is there any other reason to use the SVGs rather than screenshots? Noisalt ( talk) 20:59, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
(out)Good points. Should probably be PNGs then. OrangeDog ( talk • edits) 18:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't get the "it's fair use so is can't be SVG argument". We have lots of fair use SVG's around. -- Ysangkok ( talk) 21:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
South Park was promoted to GA-status, but some further input regarding the reliability of marinij.com and c21media.net would be appreciated. You can read all about it on the review page (see the comments towards the bottom half, under "References"). - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 19:37, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so I've noticed these days every character is being merged into lists due to "lack of nobility" and such. Why do we even have individual character articles? I think they should all be merged with the basic South Park article now. I mean, South Park has a vast array of characters and we already have 3 lists and arguably any non-core character is "fancruft" and non-notable - Stan, Kyle, Cartman and Butters are the only core characters, and Kenny's still notable if only due to his catchphrase. -- 24.12.214.185 ( talk) 11:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Well what's notable and what isn't is an opinion and by Wikipedia's opinion basically any character outside of the main five would basically be non-notable. Few sources outside of the show talk about Chef or Herbert Garrison. I mean, I love the show and if I had my way, I'd give all the important characters articles, but unfortunately Wikipedia's definition of 'important/notable' is different from mine and besides, it looks to me all the articles will be combined eventually. -- 24.12.214.185 ( talk) 21:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC) (My account is User:JohnVMaster, it keeps logging me out.)
Does anybody else think this template should be nominated for deletion? indopug ( talk) 15:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Some have stated they don't believe the Lollipop King article warrants its existence. It is so common a misheard lyric for a classic and extremely popular long seen movie, the Wizard of Oz, that even in the South Park movie they made the mistake of thinking it a real character, and added in it, as the king of the imaginary people, all notable imaginary characters throughout history there. Does that indicate notability? The massive number of Google hits for it I would think would prove it notable also. Please give your opinions there. Is it just trivia or is this a notable thing to have an article on? The lyrics to the munchkin greeting song are "we represent the Lollipop Guild", not the "Lollipop King". The article originally redirected to a list of South Park characters from the movie. Is it better suited doing that, elsewhere, or not existing at all, or should they leave it alone, it fine where it is? Dream Focus 16:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Wanted to bring Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Park action figures to everyone's attention in the hopes of generating more discussion, as it has failed to reach a consensus after several weeks and has been re-listed twice. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 03:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Just so you all know, I've listed Weight Gain 4000 for an FAC nomination. Any comments, criticism or otherwise feedback is welcome! — Hunter Kahn ( c) 06:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I've always remembered being taught that the title of a work is italicized, and that shorter pieces of work are not italicized, but placed within quotation marks when they are part of a larger body of work. (ex: The episode "Fat Camp" is part of a larger work: the series South Park). A while back, I went through several South Park-related articles (not all) and changed The Spirit of Christmas to "The Spirit of Christmas", as if it were part of the South Park body of work. Now I'm starting to have my doubts, and wish to establish some sort of consensus here. Keep in mind that, to simplify things, The Spirit of Christmas is usually used in articles to refer to both shorts, while "Jesus vs. Frosty/Santa" is used to refer to each one individually. So are these two shorts collectively part of the greater South Park body of work? Or, when paired as a series of two shorts, does it stand on its own? Thoughts, por favor. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 20:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey all. Just in case you ever think your South Park-related work goes unnoticed, I was looking through the page view stats for some of my DYKs, and I realized not only are the SP articles by far the most seen, but that five of the articles ( Fishsticks, The Ring, The Coon, Pinewood Derby and Margaritaville) are among the most viewed non-lead DYKs (meaning DYKs without a picture, as pictured DYKs tend to get the most hits). Not only that, but at around 23,500 page hits, Fishsticks is the single most viewed non-lead DYK, and it actually made the list of the most viewed overall DYKS! People are really reading our South Park stuff, folks! — Hunter Kahn ( c) 03:13, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I've been looking at the episode articles lately and noticed that some (including a few GAs) include the original airdates in both the US and the UK in the leads. This seems problematic to me; why is the airdate in the UK more worthy of an inclusion in the lead than the original airdates in Canada, Australia, etc.? To me, the only way to be fair would be to include the original airdates of every English-speaking country in which the episode original airs (which would make the lead far too long) or simply include the original US/North America airdates in the lead and create a separate section for airdates and reception in other countries (which to me, seems more practical). And this would be necessary only if it would be relevantly applicable (ex: info on UK reaction about Queen Elizabeth episode, Australian reaction to Steve Irwin episode, etc.) Thoughts? - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 08:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Anybody else thinking List of students at South Park Elementary and List of staff at South Park Elementary should be merged into South Park Elementary? Nergaal ( talk) 06:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
A now (seemingly) lost entry in the Southparkstudios FAQ gave the name of the episode above as 2000 because; "As explained in the FAQ section on the official website: "When the year 2000 was coming up, everyone and their brother had '2000' in the titles of their products and TV shows. America was obsessed with 2000, so Trey Parker put '2000' in the titles to make fun of the ubiquity of the phrase."".
I can't find this FAQ reference now and the entry for the episode on the site is given without the 2000. A google search brings up plenty of entries for both, which should be kept? Alastairward ( talk) 22:15, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm linking this discussion here because whatever decision comes out of it would affect the episode articles and not just apply to the show's page. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that most of the episode GAs don't contain season lists in their infobox, while most other episode articles do. Assuming this is the preferred method, do all other episode articles need to have the season list removed from the infobox? Or...do the GAs need to have season lists added to theirs? Either way, each episode article needs to be consistent with the others. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:43, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Where is the discussion in which it was decided not to add season list infoboxes? I find them very helpful when navigating episodes. Now Season 13 is inconsistent with other seasons. I can't find this discussion on any talk pages. laurap414 ( talk) 22:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Several episode articles contain "the episode was rated TV-MA in the United States" in the lead section. MOS:TV doesn't seem to have a guideline on how to present the content ratings of television shows, but a similar guideline ( MOS:FILM) states "Ratings given to individual films by motion picture rating systems will vary by territories in accordance to their cultures and their types of governance. In film articles, avoid indiscriminate identification of ratings and instead focus on ratings for which there is substantial coverage from reliable sources." (see MOS:FILM#Ratings)
Stating the MA rating in the US seems rather redundant to me, and also a little undue weight-ish. Every SP episode in the US is rated TV-MA, and the main article already covers this as well as briefly going into how other countries broadcast the show. Just a minor nitpick that I wanted to bring up. Any thoughts? - SoSaysChappy (talk) 16:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
The episode Best Friends Forever has been moved to Best Friends Forever (South Park Episode) after an article for the internet slang term BFF was created. It's late and I don't have the energy to check all this out right now, but I wondered if BFF was really a more important search term than the South Park episode. Alastairward ( talk) 00:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey all. I wanted to bring your attention to a discussion over at the Cartman Gets an Anal Probe page. There is a question over whether the infobox image should be used, and I wanted to get some other opinions. Thanks! — Hun ter Ka hn 05:11, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I was browsing and I discovered that there's an error in the ordering of the Season 3 infobox.
If you look at South Park (season 3), you'll see that 304 is 'Jackovasaurus' and 305 is 'Tweek vs. Craig'.
Now if you look at any of the episodes from season 3 and look at the infobox, you'll see that 304 and 305 have been mixed up, which is contradictory to their release dates, 16 and 23 of June respectively. Jackovasaurus couldn't possibely have come after Tweek vs. Craig.
I thought I'd bring it to your attention since I don't know how to edit infobox templates. Thank you. -- 138.217.152.62 ( talk) 12:55, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I was looking at Wikipedia:Reward board and saw something South Park related. So I'm just poionting out this to see if anyone wants to take the offer. GamerPro64 ( talk) 06:25, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I've asked the user responsible, but wondered if anyone else had a view on the removal of the lower navigation box from the episode articles? Alastairward ( talk) 21:14, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Why is the bottom of the infobox in Dances with Smurfs better than the one in Are You There God? It's Me, Jesus? Nergaal ( talk) 22:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
There's nothing here about the iPhone game South Park Mega Millionaire. Can we have an article created about it please? -- VitasV ( talk) 03:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Have these been scrubbed recently? The FAQs on the Southparkstudios site now only seem to go back to 2009 now, this could affect quite a few cites in articles. Alastairward ( talk) 00:00, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone actually read that section? Honestly, IGN is not a TV review site in the first place. This section always sounds so incredibly tacky when one reads a South Park article, and frankly its irrelevant and not real information that pertains to the episode. I might understand if every season had reception in place, but who's idea was it to put those horrible reviews as a standard for every South Park episode? I'd say if there was a 1-10 scale for well-written criticism that IGN's reviews wouldn't even break into the 1 level, because they are just that amateur and irrelevant. Let's just pretend they were the most amazing reviewers in the history of the world, is it really required that every single episode have that section? Look at other shows from the past of other series -- is there a reception section? Of course not, because that is so pointless and irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.206.190.113 ( talk) 15:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
I responded with Okay man, I agree with your logic there, except I really think you need to take a step back from black and white thinking and just really use common sense here. Firstly, its IGN. I personally do not care THAT much about this to try and figure out how to disprove the notability of a website on wikipedia, I just always use Wikipedia so much but the fact is, it irked me everytime I read this South Park page. I know enough to know poorly structured criticism when I see it, but for the reviews that are being included on this page? Come ON man. They aren't even content-driven. They are vaguely subjective to a point where they might've just said "I thought it was good." "I thought it was bad." Most of the times they repeat the line "But the episode was still funny." Really? That's like a music review saying "Yeah, but the music is still good." WHAT is that telling us? Far more relevant reception that goes along with your logic would be reception from the PUBLIC in terms of controversies and the such (see "With Apologies To Jesse Jackson"'s reception section). Frankly, leaving the reception in there as it is makes Wikipedia look like a joke site -- I know I'm not alone on this thought because I had a professor use a South Park episode to discuss social commentary and the impact on the public it had, but specifically told us not to use Wikipedia's entries for "Reception" due to how irrelevant they were. I'm not going to change it, but I felt I was at least doing my part by making the problem known. If no one wants to take this further, its not doing anything apart from making the site look bad.
Also: "as long as it comes from notable sources" <-- Once again, calling IGN a notable source for TV criticism is like calling your local newspaper's music review section the most relevant music criticism in the business -- though to be honest even that is being a bit generous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.206.190.113 ( talk) 04:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Fine I give up. I tried at least. I know real fans of the show who actually get what these episodes are about find this section to be absolutely ridiculous. Read up on genuine criticism and maybe then you'll see how ridiculous this is. Also, there aren't many but there a good handful of college professors for Freshman level classes that are younger and past the biases held against Wikipedia. Just because you've never had a professor doesn't mean they don't exist. But anyways, read up on real criticism. I've done my part, I just feel so embarrassed for MS & TP if they ever read any of these South Park articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.206.190.113 ( talk) 18:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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I am trying to make List of characters in South Park a featured list but a reviewer commented that it lacks a reception section a-la this or this. Anybody has some suggestions where could I find a review on the characters of the show in general? Thanks, Nergaal ( talk) 05:39, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Page to create. Note to self / reminder.
Model it after List of awards and nominations received by The Simpsons.
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There were five people in this list when I looked at it, and I've fully sourced all of them except Jonathan Kimmel. For some reason, that was the one I had the most trouble finding sources for, even though he was probably the one I had heard the most about going in. If anybody can help me find additional sources for him, that'd be great... — Hun ter Ka hn 00:31, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Just so you all know, I've nominated South Park (season 13) for GT. — Hun ter Ka hn 04:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys. Would you mind weighing in on the discussion at Talk:Sexual Healing (South Park) regarding the quote box (which has been removed). I've made my points that it should stay in, so has the objector that it should not, and frankly, I've already wasted too much energy on what is ultimately a trivial matter. I'd much rather get a WP:CONSENSUS developed than keep going back and forth with him, so your thoughts would be much appreciated. — Hun ter Ka hn 14:45, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
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With the recent "You Have 0 Friends" episode, you can see Stan and Kyle's birthdates listed on their Facebook pages. Seeing as how using a primary source to establish a birthday is perfectly legitimate, and how the dates have real-world interest for perhaps character development (Stan shares Trey's birthday, Kyle shares Matt's), there really isn't any guideline that discourages the inclusion of this material.
But the character articles are being edited to reflect the birth years as 2001. Considering the nature of the show (the characters don't age), does it make sense to include the year as the "official", since, technically, a primary source validates it? - SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:08, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Just so you all know, South Park (season 13) has been nominated for FA. Cheers! — Hun ter Ka hn 16:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if the ArticleAlertBot would have caught this or not. If anyone is interested: Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion#Who_Cartman.27s_Father_is - SoSaysChappy (talk) 19:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
I opened a detailed discussion and appended it with a proposed plot summary which I later inserted into the article. It was quickly reverted back to the expanded summary under the rationale that the lack of a revert up until the day after I replaced it constituted a consensus in favor of the expanded version. I'm inviting others to discuss it there in an attempt to generate a more thorough consensus. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 06:05, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Just to let you guys know, there is debate on whether or not File:Sp 1406 Sorry.jpg should be considered for commons inclusion at Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2010_April_23#File:Sp_1406_Sorry.jpg. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx ( talk) 11:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Editors interested in South Park may be interested in the proposed deletion of a related article. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Everybody Draw Mohammad Day. The deletion discussion will have run the required seven days by 20:31, May 3. The article, by the way, could use a looking over by anyone with some expertise in South Park, particularly the "Background" section and perhaps the categories. -- JohnWBarber ( talk) 01:59, 28 April 2010 (UTC)