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An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian ( talk) 02:51, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
User:Frietjes has proposed making changes to the various series-specific racing driver infoboxes ({{ Infobox F1 driver}}, {{ Infobox Le Mans driver}}, {{ Infobox WRC driver}}, etc) to allow them to be embedded inside {{ Infobox racing driver}}, such that a driver's article may contain a single infobox covering all the different series in which they have particpated, rather than multiple infoboxes - see Andy Priaulx as an example. You are welcome to express any views you may have on the matter at Template_talk:Infobox_racing_driver#addition_of_modules. DH85868993 ( talk) 01:36, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi WP:AOWR. I've just noticed a discrepancy regarding what year Forsythe Racing started:
I'm not familiar enough with the history of CART to know which is correct, so I thought I'd just highlight the discrepancy, in the hope that someone here can resolve it. DH85868993 ( talk) 02:31, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
It appears that Rebaque was teammate to Danny Sullivan who also drove part time in 1982. The car was entered as "Forsythe-Brown" in a number of races and the Danny Sullivan article shows it as "Forsythe- Newman". In addition Al Unser, Jr. made his CART debut at Riverside in a car entered as "Forsythe Racing" (the same car # that Sullivan drove). Perhaps Forsythe was just a sponsor, but that still doesn't answer the question as to what team this really was. - Drdisque ( talk) 20:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I asked some other people on the subject and consensus was that the team did run in 1982 [17]. Also found out that "Brown" was Garvin Brown of Brown-Forman. - Drdisque ( talk) 01:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Time for my annual post about incomplete season articles. The following series articles are little more than tables. Most of them don't even explain what they are, whether they are open wheel series, where they are held, who won the series! Apparently a series as important as DTM considers the point score system more important than the series champion.
The situation is also encouraging new editors to be likewise poor in seasonal coverage.
So while the majority of series are in hibernation perhaps we could spend a few days improving these articles.
Surely it would be more important and productive than arguing over whether Mercedes or Mercedes AMG is the correct terminology for a constructor? Less minuatae!
No mention of series winner:
2012 AMA Pro American Superbike Championship season
2012 NHRA Full Throttle Drag Racing Series season
2012 Panam GP Series season
Series winner mentioned but no season review:
2012 Formula 3 Sudamericana season
Thank you for your time. --
Falcadore (
talk) 05:19, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated Portal:Sports for featured portal status. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports. The featured portal criteria are at Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria. Please feel free to weigh in. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
I started a little discussion HERE regarding what should be done in this project, and how we should once and for all, nuke the Haresnape & Means and Russ Catlin "fantasy champs" from recorded history once and for all. Doctorindy ( talk) 14:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
File:Boillot1914Indy.jpg ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 11:45, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm curious for the purpose of standardization if the national flags for each race should or should not be in the driver standings section. For example, the flags are present on both the top and bottom of the Standings in 2013 IndyCar Series season but have recently been edited to only be the bottom in the 1985-1987 seasons ( 1986 IndyCar season) Asher413 ( talk) 15:09, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm proposing this updated template to update the wording of the series to reflect current name and to update photo (other photo recommendations gladly considered)
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Let me know if you have any feedback. - Drdisque ( talk) 05:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, folks! In articles on the Indianapolis 500, I see two columns named "Grid" and "Rank". I expect one that mentions the qualifying results. Which columns is that, and what does the other column mean? Thanks! -- NaBUru38 ( talk) 22:36, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer! So, same question to me. I'd remove that column. -- NaBUru38 ( talk) 17:12, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
A general request regarding this basic track map of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
This really is a terrible schematic of the track. It's lopsided, not to scale, and the turns are crooked. Putting a suggestion out there for anyone that has the ability to create a new, cleaner, perhaps more detailed version, replacing this insufficient old one. Doctorindy ( talk) 21:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
I took a stab at sketching a new track map of IMS. It's very basic, but not skewed and lopsided. I'm going to try and replace some of the prominent pages that use the old svg file. Doctorindy↔ Talk 15:22, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
I am bringing this up here because it is an increasing problem in IndyCar race articles, but it also probably more prevalent in the NASCAR project. There seem to be some editors (most seem unregistered) who are turning race result tables (and other tables) totally upside-down by merging rows and cells. It makes the tables look terrible, hard to read, merges irrelevant data, and makes them very difficult to edit for future reasons. I have no idea what people are thinking do this. For instance, they are merging cells for a driver who wins a race back-to-back years, merging laps/miles, car makes that happened to win in . See this for an example. Some are much worse than this one.
I think it should be stopped immediately, and in fact reverted to un-merge all the cells. The reasoning is that each line represents a totally different event. What happened in one year is totally unrelated to the next. Each line should be complete of its information. The fact that a car make won two years in a row is merely coincidental to the makeup of the table. It also makes it difficult for the reader to see that they are separate events each year, and one might not be able to tell easily that 2-3-4 or more races are represented. While the skill of complex table syntax might be impressive, it has no place here. The only place where some cells could be mereged would be "twin" races, like Texas had
Just in time for race week: Special:contributions/78.149.239.158 Doctorindy↔ Talk 22:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
FYI, it has been proposed that Danny Sullivan be moved to Danny Sullivan (racing driver). You are welcome to express any views you may have on the matter at Talk:Danny Sullivan#Proposed move. DH85868993 ( talk) 08:14, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
I have proposed that Category:Toyota Indy 400 be renamed to Category:MAVTV 500, to reflect the current name of the race and to match the associated article MAVTV 500. You are welcome to express any views you may have on the matter at the rename discussion. Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 01:01, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi WP:AOWR. I posed a question a couple of days ago at Talk:1972 USAC Championship Car season#Sam Posey. To date there have been no replies, so I thought I'd advertise it here. Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 04:32, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing. The wiki markup used to produce the background colour in most motorsport results tables (bgcolor="#XXXXXX") is no longer valid HTML and as a result doesn't work properly on mobile devices (no background colour is displayed). There is a proposal at WikiProject Formula One to get a bot to update the markup for all the articles within that WikiProject's scope. I'm letting this project know (a) so that you won't be surprised/confused if you suddenly see lots of articles being updated and are wondering why and (b) just in case you know of a reason why this would be a bad idea. The discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One#Bot request. Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 10:21, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
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A lively discussion has raged on for most of the afternoon on twitter regarding the use of "xxxx IndyCar Season" when describing CART sanctioned championship seasons from 1979 on. We have found a media guide entry that describes the series as the "INDY CAR SERIES" (no caps so case is difficult to obtain) yet we found a newspaper article from 1994 that describes the series as the "IndyCar Series".
I'm more inclined to leave the title headings as is, but could see changing these entries to "indycar series" (small case as not to lock these years into a specific sanctioning body but still allow them to be part of indycar history proper) Curious of your opinions on the subject.
Link to 1979 Media Guide cover picture: https://twitter.com/stevewittich/status/487394270068752384
Link to 1994 news article https://twitter.com/TonyJWriter/status/487332668611129344
Thanks for any help guys!! Ehall317 ( talk) 01:27, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I've come up with several alternatives, I have created a temporary, mostly-comprehensive listing here: Sandbox. The alternatives can be summarized as follows, with one selected as the article names, and the rest serving as re-direct pages. For quick reference, this primarily applies to 1980-1996 first (1979 is on its own, see link). The article names from 1997-2002 will need reconsideration, and that can come afterwards. Doctorindy↔ Talk 18:44, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
After consulting media guides and other pertinent reliable sources, I am going to move forward (if there is no further objection) and move to what appears to be the proper contemporary name for the articles...taking into account the name, and Wiki precedent.
Completed "Phase 1" of the revisions. All CART season pages from 1979-1991 have been (properly) moved over to the accurate name as shown directly above. Numerous re-direct pages have been created based on the other variations. Pages from 1992-2003 will be re-visted next. Doctorindy↔ Talk 16:58, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Doctorindy↔ Talk 17:58, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
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Harej ( talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Hello all! Does anybody have an opinion based on what is being discussed here? -- Bentvfan54321 ( talk) 18:52, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello! Can anybody explain, why we use different color scheme, when we can use standard {{ Motorsport driver results legend}}? I understand that American open-wheel series hadn't non-points placings, but don't understand the necessity to highlight finishes outside the top 3 with three different colors instead of one. Also don't understand for which purpose we need the different color to withdrawn. Corvus tristis ( talk) 06:12, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
User:Lestatdelc has been adding liviery colours to Indycar race reports (example 2015 Firestone Grand Prix of St. Petersburg). A practice that was stopped after discussion years ago. After pointing out the policy at WP:COLOR on the issue he/she ignores it and is prepared to edit war these colours back in on the basis that colour schemes is important information. Why it is important is not conveyed as every other motor racing article in Wikipedia gets on just fine without it. Perhaps there might be someone else with some input? -- Falcadore ( talk) 04:45, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
I have noticed that previous winners are being denoted with yellow and rookies are being denoted with the color green. I am not sure why this is the case, but may I suggest we flip these color denotations as I feel it is more fitting for rookies to be denoted with yellow and previous winners to be denoted with green. You can see an example at the 2015 Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach. Fanofspeed ( talk) 23:57, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm relatively new to creating and editing Wiki articles, but I'm trying to create/update CART races starting with the 2001 season and when looking over templates and styles in other auto racing articles, I notice that the F1 template has a cool "Lapchart" function that shows who led the race over each lap. For example, on the right is the infobox for the 2008 Canadian GP, cut down to just the lapchart. As a n00b, I have no idea how this was done but I would really love to see the infobox for AOWR have a similar feature. Would anyone else be on board for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocks with Salt ( talk • contribs)
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I have proposed a change to the wording of the "Season in progress" footnotes which accompany motorsport results tables which the season is still in progress. Interested editors are invited to comment at the centralised discussion. Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 21:55, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
It would be appreciated if other editors could please chime in on Talk:Milka Duno, where I'm attempting to engage a WP:SPA who is repeatedly attempting to whitewash the article by removal of all mention of criticism of the driver, and not having much success. - The Bushranger One ping only 12:14, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
I'd like to request a fresh review both of the quality and importance of the article 1973 Indianapolis 500 (currently 'Start', and 'Mid' for this project, respectively). I've significantly reworked the article to be less storylike and more encyclopeadic, and added about a dozen references adding specifics where none existed or facts of the article were simply wrong. In terms of its importance, beyond the fatalities and injuries in the race itself, the race prompted an uproar so vocal that safety changes to USAC racing were passed three days later, effective one month later. A watershed race and article like this on the F1 side, 1994 San Marino Grand Prix, ranks a 'Top' in this regard, and I suspect this is of similar importance. Skybunny ( talk) 22:08, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Additionally, although I know this hasn't been done in general, I'd like to suggest that 'Points' (USAC championship points) awarded in a race be added to box scores. I have done this by way of example in 1973 Indianapolis 500, but if people don't like it, that's fine, remove it. Points have meaning in the context of the season, and this is something (I know, I'm referencing it again, but), that F1 does. They also, as a rule, have a race by race 'top five points drivers' as of any given race, which shows the evolution of a season. Something to consider. See [ [18]] and below it, [ [19]]. While many early years aren't going to have many USAC races OTHER than Indy, for now, that doesn't mean that this shouldn't necessarily be there. (From 1950-1960, those points actually were Formula 1 WDC points, but those appear to be recorded as such.) Skybunny ( talk) 21:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Just a heads up that Rahal-Hogan RH-001 is up for deletion. Trying to get relevant input as it is part of this project. Discussion is here. The359 ( Talk) 19:13, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
I just started Hod Preston and linked it as best I could, can anyone else fill in blanks and spruce it up? THANKS!-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 11:43, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
The Rockingham 500 overview has been nominated as a good topic. You can weigh in the discussion here. MWright96 (talk) 15:12, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
A discussion which may be of relevance to this WikiProject is being held ITNR, to discuss the status of Indianapolis 500 and Monaco Grand Prix on the ITN Recurring items list. Input welcome. StillWaitingForConnection ( talk) 08:04, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, folks! I made a long trip to the 500, and took some photos. I will be uploading them the following days. Have fun! -- NaBUru38 ( talk) 03:21, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
I've been wandering around AOWR articles these past few weeks making aesthetic changes where needed and overall consolidating information as necessary. Recently, however, I've been running into problems in the 1996-2002 IRL years.
That problem is sources. I can't find a whole lot outside of Racing-Reference.info. When I added the Teams/Drivers charts for the 1998 season, 1999 season, and 2001 season, I discovered a tangled web of teams that may not actually be teams, teams that joined forces with other teams every season, and teams that I have absolutely no information on besides their names. Where do I find legitimate sources about Blueprint Racing, or Immke Racing, or that year where it was Blueprint-Immke Racing? It's certainly a chore, to be sure. At least Champ Car has this extremely helpful database that neatly consolidates and categorizes teams and drivers into one place. IRL/IndyCar doesn't really have that AFAIK.
Also, on a similar note, when I do extensive race reports for 2001 CART season races, the only definitive sources I'm able to use are from the old Champ Car website scraped from the Internet Archive. It's an absolute gold mine of helpful and interesting information, but when it's the only source available, it makes the articles suspect. I guess Wikipedia article guidelines frown upon leaning too heavily on one source, but unless more diverse sources come out of the woodwork, I'll stick with what I have.
In summary: SOURCES. Databases. Information that can be consolidated. Give me what you got. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocks with Salt ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
An unregistered user did a substantial revert of List of American Championship Car winners, going back to a very old (2013) version, which was compiled prior to a substantial re-write. Based on discussion ( HERE) and consensus, the wins list table was substantially revised in 2013 to reflect and properly separate the championship/non-championship races. This user is claiming the list as he wrote is "what is recognized by IndyCar", which actually isn't true either. It seems he's trying to use their 2011 stat book as a lone source, which while it is a source, it has been after review, considered suspect and brought into question by peers, given the fact that very little research was put into it, and it regurgitates known errors. I reverted the table back to it's late September form.
In addition, there are supplemental tables that have been added that don't seem to belong on that article. they appear to be WP:OR Doctorindy↔ Talk 16:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
I deprodded C. R. Crews, a late-2000s Indy Lights driver, that had been prodded as 'not notable'. Indy Lighs is kinda... *wibbles hand* when it comes to Conferring Notability, but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt. The problem is it's deplorably referenced, and I can't find much, but I don't have much in the way of dead trees about open wheel from that era, so I'm kicking it here as something that may need rescuing by y'all. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:40, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi all,
So as I look for ways to visually improve race results tables, one thing that came to my attention was the Template:American Open Wheel driver results legend, which is influenced by the current points system used by Formula 1. However, for the vast majority of CART's existence (1983-2003), a slightly different points system was used. Unlike modern F1, which gives points to the Top 10, CART awarded points to the Top 12, and I think the AOWR results template should be changed to reflect that, at least in the applicable CART seasons. I've already done these visual changes on each of the CART season pages but not on driver or teams pages yet. What are the AOWR community's thoughts on this? Rocks with Salt ( talk) 17:53, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
So for example:
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Seems like it's all over the place depending on the season. My metric would be that the race team actually has facilities outside the US, not that someone who is Canadian or Australian owns, sponsors, or drives the team. So Carlin Motorsport is a British team, but Roth Racing was an American team (despite being owned by a Canadian). Jensen MotorSport has facilities in Canada, so they would count as a Canadian team. Froo ( talk) 18:26, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
I just found that Vel's Parnelli Jones Racing is mostly about the teams short F1 effort and has almost nothing about it's biggest successes in Indycar racing. It wasn't even marked under the scope of WP:AOWR until I added it today. Can someone more knowledgeable about the 70s' USAC period take a look at it? Pc13 ( talk) 14:40, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Can interested editors please look at this thread and chime in? -- NeilN talk to me 20:02, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
It has been proposed that Al Miller II be renamed as Al Miller (racing driver born 1921). Interested editors are invited to participate in the discussion. DH85868993 ( talk) 07:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
I would like to propose a change to the way we format driver's career results, e.g. Scott Dixon. I think we should include team, chassis, and engine on each row, as we do for F1 seasons. I think our current formatting is absurd and hard to follow. You should be able to scan each row horizontally and view all the information you need. In Dixon's 2007 row, for instance, you have to look up or down to find any information past the year. It's just an extremely bad design. I've tried to implement this before but everything is immediately reverted, for some reason. Wicka wicka ( talk) 15:11, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
In ednitng this page, I found out there's a convention to divide the race in halves. Whose bright idea was this, Brian Williams? Races don't have halves. Nor halftime shows, no matter how much ignorant sportscasters might want them to. So, is this nonsensical, & should it be changed? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 01:52, 31 October 2018 (UTC) (BTW, I expect my opinion to be ignored, like it is on just about everything else..)
The gallery of Zach Catanzareti Photo ( https://www.flickr.com/photos/58980992@N03/) has very good photos of 2018 that can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. I hope it serves you. -- Adriel 00 ( talk) 18:45, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
A discussion regarding whether or not information concerning the tax problems of Hélio Castroneves should be included in the Greg Moore (racing driver) article. Interested editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Thank you. MWright96 (talk) 17:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
An
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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport#RFC on referencing results sections in motorsport articles which has wide implications for this WikiProject. Interested editors are welcome to contribute to the discssion.
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A discussion has been started at Talk:Patricio O'Ward#Namespace since one user decided to go against WP:COMMONNAME and move the page to an implied namespace. Your opinions are welcome. – Sabbatino ( talk) 14:58, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport#Broadcaster and viewership information in NASCAR and IndyCar articles. regarding the inclusion of broadcaster and tv viewerships in NASCAR and IndyCar articles. I invite interested editors to contribute there. A7V2 ( talk) 22:29, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Fellows, I've been thinking we should just split the drivers chart between full season entires and Indy/partial season entries. The split tables will be better organized and it makes more sense since most of the teams are running the full 2013 schedule. I've come up with a prototype chart for you all to look at.
And here is the limited entires table
Team | Engine | No. | Driver(s) | Round(s) | Notes |
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A. J. Foyt Enterprises | Honda | 41 | Chase Austin [13] (R) | 5 | |
Andretti Autosport | Chevrolet | TBA | Carlos Muñoz [14] (R) | 5 |
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So what do you all think? Gaeaman787 ( talk) 18:59, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't really like it. I think the current format handles things like driver changes more easily and is more easily extensible to support series. I think it's also useful to keep all a team's entries together in one place. - Drdisque ( talk) 17:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
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Sources differ regarding Don Edmunds' date of death. Interested editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion at Talk:Don Edmunds#Date of death. DH85868993 ( talk) 12:38, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
The word " aeroscreen" appears in 23 articles, but it does not appear to be defined well or linked to an article that explains what it means. In some cases, it appears to be a type of windscreen, and in others, it appears to refer to a new Red Bull-developed safety device. Some expert help is needed here. A short article similar to Halo (safety device), or even a section in that article if it is appropriate, would be welcome. Thanks. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 02:43, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
For several weeks and months a bit of a edit war has been going back and forth on numerous articles (see 2020 Indianapolis 500 for instance). What to use as the tag for former winners and rookies. Originally it was a bolded letter, then it was replaced with a color box. It's back and forth on many articles. Examples:
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It would good to have some sort of consensus, rather than constant edit wars and reverts. Doctorindy↔ Talk 15:19, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
The article 2007 Las Vegas Atlantic Grand Prix has been nominated for deletion. Interested parties are welcome to contribute to the discussion here. MWright96 (talk) 09:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
As part of the future of NASCAR lore article, you are invited to discuss the future of lore sections in Template:IndyCar Series on ABC and Template:IndyCar Series on NBC here. FMecha ( to talk| to see log) 10:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone know about Larry Connor? Apparently he was a F2000 champ? (I don't follow F2000) His bio is missing is racing career, but since he's been an announced Axiom Space space tourist, it seems the time to update the bio. -- 65.93.183.33 ( talk) 00:39, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
In the 2021 season, Indy Lights added the halo rollbar device instead of the IndyCar plexiglass windscreen. The Indy Lights article should cover that change and why it added a halo instead of a windsrceen. Does anyone know the reason for the halo instead of the windshield? -- 67.70.27.246 ( talk) 16:16, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Related to the above, there are three recent proposed deletions which may be of interest to editors in this wikiproject since they concern (potential, as the above section makes clear) constructors who competed in the Indy 500. They are Hall (constructor), Turner (constructor) and Schroeder (constructor). I am mentioning this here as they do not appear on Wikipedia:WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing/Article alerts. A7V2 ( talk) 12:37, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Sources differ over the chassis make driven by Bill Mackey in the 1951 Indianapolis 500:
Can anyone provide additional info? Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 11:59, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Schroeder (constructor) which is relevant to this Wikiproject. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 09:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
There's a issue with Template:IndyCar sanctioning history: it's too big to be read. For now I reduced the font size. Rpo.castro ( talk) 20:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
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I've probably should ask this from the moment I began working on it (my first try got declined), but can anyone on this WikiProject help with Draft:First Responder 175 (the iRacing incident from two years ago)? FMecha ( to talk| to see log) 14:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Should we lay out a plan for what to do following the rebranding of the Road to Indy this year?
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as well as correcting various templates such as Template:USF2000, Template:Andersen Promotions, Template:Road to Indy; and updating Chris Griffis Memorial Test as it now encompasses Indy Lights only (the junior series now have the "USF Pro Fall Combine") 🇮🇪 TheChrisD { 💬| ✏️} 19:22, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Yay, more rebranding we're going to have to sort out... Indy Lights is now INDY NXT; but presumably per MoS we'll be renaming most pages to use Indy NXT? 🇮🇪 TheChrisD { 💬| ✏️} 15:03, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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An IP editor keeps changing the Indycar *race* lap record at Grand Prix of Long Beach to Justin Wilson's pole time from 2008. I've reverted them twice and left a message on their talk page. Can someone else revert their latest changes? I can't do it due to WP:3RR. Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 04:28, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Is anybody here living in the Indianapolis-area, and willing to visit the IMS Museum for some photos of vehicles from the 2nd Place exhibit before its closure mid-June? The photos would make good content for some Wiki pages.
RegalZ8790 ( talk) 21:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
I'm proposing that Gian Paolo Dallara be moved to Giampaolo Dallara. Interested editors are welcome to contribute to the existing discussion. DH85868993 ( talk) 11:48, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Seeing that the to-do list was requesting the creation of 2020 races, I noticed that the article for the 2020 St. Pete GP needed to be created, so I created a draft while I worked on it. Now that I finished it, I've now seen that there was already a redirect page with the race name in the mainspace. Should, I move the information from the draft to the mainspace article, remove the redirect link & request the deletion of the draft article? - HotMAN0199 ( talk) 22:29, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Let's show our appreciation to @ Thenascarman, who has just finished creating reports for the USAC/CART era California 500s, which follow the articles they have created for the Michigan and Pocono 500-mile races. Thanks to their dedication, this WP has achieved a major goal of having articles for all 500-mile races run during the USAC/CART eras!
Thank you!! RegalZ8790 ( talk) 03:36, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Motorsport#Color_Code_for_ranking -- Mark McWire ( talk) 10:52, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
An editor has proposed a change to Template:Infobox Grand Prix race report. Interested editors are welcome to contribute to the existing discussion. It's relevant to this WikiProject because that infobox is used in the Indianapolis 500 articles from 1950 to 1960, when the race was a round of the World Drivers' Championship. DH85868993 ( talk) 00:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi, for a long time I've noticed that information about winning chassis and engine manufacturer on Indy 500 pages can be buried quite deep in the article, even though this is IMO quite an important information. I was wondering how people feel about adding a winning chassis and a winning engine entry in the infobox? An alternative I was thinking about would be to add a caption entry, and add info about the winning car there, since the infobox picture for most 500 pages represents the winning car. SunflowerYuri ( talk) 10:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
I've just noticed that back in June 2020, the target of the redirect Champ Car was changed from Championship Auto Racing Teams (which covers 1979-2003) to Champ Car World Series (which covers 2004-2008). I couldn't find any related discussion. (There was this move discussion in January/February 2020 which resulted in Champ Car redirecting to Championship Auto Racing Teams, but I couldn't find a discussion for the target being changed to Champ Car World Series).
Anyway, as a result of the retarget, many links which used to link (via the redirect) to Championship Auto Racing Teams now link (via the redirect) to Champ Car World Series instead. As an example: Jackie Stewart contains the following wikitext:
Clearly, in this case, the text "CART Indycar" should link to Championship Auto Racing Teams (1979-2003), not Champ Car World Series (2004-2008). How should we handle this? Simply revert the (undiscussed?) change (noting that Talk:Champ Car still redirects to Talk:Championship Auto Racing Teams)? Or go through and update all the articles which link to Champ Car? (there are currently 1680 links to Champ Car but some of these would be via templates). DH85868993 ( talk) 00:58, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian ( talk) 02:51, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
User:Frietjes has proposed making changes to the various series-specific racing driver infoboxes ({{ Infobox F1 driver}}, {{ Infobox Le Mans driver}}, {{ Infobox WRC driver}}, etc) to allow them to be embedded inside {{ Infobox racing driver}}, such that a driver's article may contain a single infobox covering all the different series in which they have particpated, rather than multiple infoboxes - see Andy Priaulx as an example. You are welcome to express any views you may have on the matter at Template_talk:Infobox_racing_driver#addition_of_modules. DH85868993 ( talk) 01:36, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi WP:AOWR. I've just noticed a discrepancy regarding what year Forsythe Racing started:
I'm not familiar enough with the history of CART to know which is correct, so I thought I'd just highlight the discrepancy, in the hope that someone here can resolve it. DH85868993 ( talk) 02:31, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
It appears that Rebaque was teammate to Danny Sullivan who also drove part time in 1982. The car was entered as "Forsythe-Brown" in a number of races and the Danny Sullivan article shows it as "Forsythe- Newman". In addition Al Unser, Jr. made his CART debut at Riverside in a car entered as "Forsythe Racing" (the same car # that Sullivan drove). Perhaps Forsythe was just a sponsor, but that still doesn't answer the question as to what team this really was. - Drdisque ( talk) 20:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I asked some other people on the subject and consensus was that the team did run in 1982 [17]. Also found out that "Brown" was Garvin Brown of Brown-Forman. - Drdisque ( talk) 01:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Time for my annual post about incomplete season articles. The following series articles are little more than tables. Most of them don't even explain what they are, whether they are open wheel series, where they are held, who won the series! Apparently a series as important as DTM considers the point score system more important than the series champion.
The situation is also encouraging new editors to be likewise poor in seasonal coverage.
So while the majority of series are in hibernation perhaps we could spend a few days improving these articles.
Surely it would be more important and productive than arguing over whether Mercedes or Mercedes AMG is the correct terminology for a constructor? Less minuatae!
No mention of series winner:
2012 AMA Pro American Superbike Championship season
2012 NHRA Full Throttle Drag Racing Series season
2012 Panam GP Series season
Series winner mentioned but no season review:
2012 Formula 3 Sudamericana season
Thank you for your time. --
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This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated Portal:Sports for featured portal status. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports. The featured portal criteria are at Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria. Please feel free to weigh in. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
I started a little discussion HERE regarding what should be done in this project, and how we should once and for all, nuke the Haresnape & Means and Russ Catlin "fantasy champs" from recorded history once and for all. Doctorindy ( talk) 14:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
File:Boillot1914Indy.jpg ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 11:45, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm curious for the purpose of standardization if the national flags for each race should or should not be in the driver standings section. For example, the flags are present on both the top and bottom of the Standings in 2013 IndyCar Series season but have recently been edited to only be the bottom in the 1985-1987 seasons ( 1986 IndyCar season) Asher413 ( talk) 15:09, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm proposing this updated template to update the wording of the series to reflect current name and to update photo (other photo recommendations gladly considered)
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Let me know if you have any feedback. - Drdisque ( talk) 05:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, folks! In articles on the Indianapolis 500, I see two columns named "Grid" and "Rank". I expect one that mentions the qualifying results. Which columns is that, and what does the other column mean? Thanks! -- NaBUru38 ( talk) 22:36, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer! So, same question to me. I'd remove that column. -- NaBUru38 ( talk) 17:12, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
A general request regarding this basic track map of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
This really is a terrible schematic of the track. It's lopsided, not to scale, and the turns are crooked. Putting a suggestion out there for anyone that has the ability to create a new, cleaner, perhaps more detailed version, replacing this insufficient old one. Doctorindy ( talk) 21:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
I took a stab at sketching a new track map of IMS. It's very basic, but not skewed and lopsided. I'm going to try and replace some of the prominent pages that use the old svg file. Doctorindy↔ Talk 15:22, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
I am bringing this up here because it is an increasing problem in IndyCar race articles, but it also probably more prevalent in the NASCAR project. There seem to be some editors (most seem unregistered) who are turning race result tables (and other tables) totally upside-down by merging rows and cells. It makes the tables look terrible, hard to read, merges irrelevant data, and makes them very difficult to edit for future reasons. I have no idea what people are thinking do this. For instance, they are merging cells for a driver who wins a race back-to-back years, merging laps/miles, car makes that happened to win in . See this for an example. Some are much worse than this one.
I think it should be stopped immediately, and in fact reverted to un-merge all the cells. The reasoning is that each line represents a totally different event. What happened in one year is totally unrelated to the next. Each line should be complete of its information. The fact that a car make won two years in a row is merely coincidental to the makeup of the table. It also makes it difficult for the reader to see that they are separate events each year, and one might not be able to tell easily that 2-3-4 or more races are represented. While the skill of complex table syntax might be impressive, it has no place here. The only place where some cells could be mereged would be "twin" races, like Texas had
Just in time for race week: Special:contributions/78.149.239.158 Doctorindy↔ Talk 22:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
FYI, it has been proposed that Danny Sullivan be moved to Danny Sullivan (racing driver). You are welcome to express any views you may have on the matter at Talk:Danny Sullivan#Proposed move. DH85868993 ( talk) 08:14, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
I have proposed that Category:Toyota Indy 400 be renamed to Category:MAVTV 500, to reflect the current name of the race and to match the associated article MAVTV 500. You are welcome to express any views you may have on the matter at the rename discussion. Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 01:01, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi WP:AOWR. I posed a question a couple of days ago at Talk:1972 USAC Championship Car season#Sam Posey. To date there have been no replies, so I thought I'd advertise it here. Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 04:32, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing. The wiki markup used to produce the background colour in most motorsport results tables (bgcolor="#XXXXXX") is no longer valid HTML and as a result doesn't work properly on mobile devices (no background colour is displayed). There is a proposal at WikiProject Formula One to get a bot to update the markup for all the articles within that WikiProject's scope. I'm letting this project know (a) so that you won't be surprised/confused if you suddenly see lots of articles being updated and are wondering why and (b) just in case you know of a reason why this would be a bad idea. The discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One#Bot request. Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 10:21, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
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A lively discussion has raged on for most of the afternoon on twitter regarding the use of "xxxx IndyCar Season" when describing CART sanctioned championship seasons from 1979 on. We have found a media guide entry that describes the series as the "INDY CAR SERIES" (no caps so case is difficult to obtain) yet we found a newspaper article from 1994 that describes the series as the "IndyCar Series".
I'm more inclined to leave the title headings as is, but could see changing these entries to "indycar series" (small case as not to lock these years into a specific sanctioning body but still allow them to be part of indycar history proper) Curious of your opinions on the subject.
Link to 1979 Media Guide cover picture: https://twitter.com/stevewittich/status/487394270068752384
Link to 1994 news article https://twitter.com/TonyJWriter/status/487332668611129344
Thanks for any help guys!! Ehall317 ( talk) 01:27, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I've come up with several alternatives, I have created a temporary, mostly-comprehensive listing here: Sandbox. The alternatives can be summarized as follows, with one selected as the article names, and the rest serving as re-direct pages. For quick reference, this primarily applies to 1980-1996 first (1979 is on its own, see link). The article names from 1997-2002 will need reconsideration, and that can come afterwards. Doctorindy↔ Talk 18:44, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
After consulting media guides and other pertinent reliable sources, I am going to move forward (if there is no further objection) and move to what appears to be the proper contemporary name for the articles...taking into account the name, and Wiki precedent.
Completed "Phase 1" of the revisions. All CART season pages from 1979-1991 have been (properly) moved over to the accurate name as shown directly above. Numerous re-direct pages have been created based on the other variations. Pages from 1992-2003 will be re-visted next. Doctorindy↔ Talk 16:58, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Doctorindy↔ Talk 17:58, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
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Hello all! Does anybody have an opinion based on what is being discussed here? -- Bentvfan54321 ( talk) 18:52, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello! Can anybody explain, why we use different color scheme, when we can use standard {{ Motorsport driver results legend}}? I understand that American open-wheel series hadn't non-points placings, but don't understand the necessity to highlight finishes outside the top 3 with three different colors instead of one. Also don't understand for which purpose we need the different color to withdrawn. Corvus tristis ( talk) 06:12, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
User:Lestatdelc has been adding liviery colours to Indycar race reports (example 2015 Firestone Grand Prix of St. Petersburg). A practice that was stopped after discussion years ago. After pointing out the policy at WP:COLOR on the issue he/she ignores it and is prepared to edit war these colours back in on the basis that colour schemes is important information. Why it is important is not conveyed as every other motor racing article in Wikipedia gets on just fine without it. Perhaps there might be someone else with some input? -- Falcadore ( talk) 04:45, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
I have noticed that previous winners are being denoted with yellow and rookies are being denoted with the color green. I am not sure why this is the case, but may I suggest we flip these color denotations as I feel it is more fitting for rookies to be denoted with yellow and previous winners to be denoted with green. You can see an example at the 2015 Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach. Fanofspeed ( talk) 23:57, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm relatively new to creating and editing Wiki articles, but I'm trying to create/update CART races starting with the 2001 season and when looking over templates and styles in other auto racing articles, I notice that the F1 template has a cool "Lapchart" function that shows who led the race over each lap. For example, on the right is the infobox for the 2008 Canadian GP, cut down to just the lapchart. As a n00b, I have no idea how this was done but I would really love to see the infobox for AOWR have a similar feature. Would anyone else be on board for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocks with Salt ( talk • contribs)
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I have proposed a change to the wording of the "Season in progress" footnotes which accompany motorsport results tables which the season is still in progress. Interested editors are invited to comment at the centralised discussion. Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 21:55, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
It would be appreciated if other editors could please chime in on Talk:Milka Duno, where I'm attempting to engage a WP:SPA who is repeatedly attempting to whitewash the article by removal of all mention of criticism of the driver, and not having much success. - The Bushranger One ping only 12:14, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
I'd like to request a fresh review both of the quality and importance of the article 1973 Indianapolis 500 (currently 'Start', and 'Mid' for this project, respectively). I've significantly reworked the article to be less storylike and more encyclopeadic, and added about a dozen references adding specifics where none existed or facts of the article were simply wrong. In terms of its importance, beyond the fatalities and injuries in the race itself, the race prompted an uproar so vocal that safety changes to USAC racing were passed three days later, effective one month later. A watershed race and article like this on the F1 side, 1994 San Marino Grand Prix, ranks a 'Top' in this regard, and I suspect this is of similar importance. Skybunny ( talk) 22:08, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Additionally, although I know this hasn't been done in general, I'd like to suggest that 'Points' (USAC championship points) awarded in a race be added to box scores. I have done this by way of example in 1973 Indianapolis 500, but if people don't like it, that's fine, remove it. Points have meaning in the context of the season, and this is something (I know, I'm referencing it again, but), that F1 does. They also, as a rule, have a race by race 'top five points drivers' as of any given race, which shows the evolution of a season. Something to consider. See [ [18]] and below it, [ [19]]. While many early years aren't going to have many USAC races OTHER than Indy, for now, that doesn't mean that this shouldn't necessarily be there. (From 1950-1960, those points actually were Formula 1 WDC points, but those appear to be recorded as such.) Skybunny ( talk) 21:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Just a heads up that Rahal-Hogan RH-001 is up for deletion. Trying to get relevant input as it is part of this project. Discussion is here. The359 ( Talk) 19:13, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
I just started Hod Preston and linked it as best I could, can anyone else fill in blanks and spruce it up? THANKS!-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 11:43, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
The Rockingham 500 overview has been nominated as a good topic. You can weigh in the discussion here. MWright96 (talk) 15:12, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
A discussion which may be of relevance to this WikiProject is being held ITNR, to discuss the status of Indianapolis 500 and Monaco Grand Prix on the ITN Recurring items list. Input welcome. StillWaitingForConnection ( talk) 08:04, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, folks! I made a long trip to the 500, and took some photos. I will be uploading them the following days. Have fun! -- NaBUru38 ( talk) 03:21, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
I've been wandering around AOWR articles these past few weeks making aesthetic changes where needed and overall consolidating information as necessary. Recently, however, I've been running into problems in the 1996-2002 IRL years.
That problem is sources. I can't find a whole lot outside of Racing-Reference.info. When I added the Teams/Drivers charts for the 1998 season, 1999 season, and 2001 season, I discovered a tangled web of teams that may not actually be teams, teams that joined forces with other teams every season, and teams that I have absolutely no information on besides their names. Where do I find legitimate sources about Blueprint Racing, or Immke Racing, or that year where it was Blueprint-Immke Racing? It's certainly a chore, to be sure. At least Champ Car has this extremely helpful database that neatly consolidates and categorizes teams and drivers into one place. IRL/IndyCar doesn't really have that AFAIK.
Also, on a similar note, when I do extensive race reports for 2001 CART season races, the only definitive sources I'm able to use are from the old Champ Car website scraped from the Internet Archive. It's an absolute gold mine of helpful and interesting information, but when it's the only source available, it makes the articles suspect. I guess Wikipedia article guidelines frown upon leaning too heavily on one source, but unless more diverse sources come out of the woodwork, I'll stick with what I have.
In summary: SOURCES. Databases. Information that can be consolidated. Give me what you got. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocks with Salt ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
An unregistered user did a substantial revert of List of American Championship Car winners, going back to a very old (2013) version, which was compiled prior to a substantial re-write. Based on discussion ( HERE) and consensus, the wins list table was substantially revised in 2013 to reflect and properly separate the championship/non-championship races. This user is claiming the list as he wrote is "what is recognized by IndyCar", which actually isn't true either. It seems he's trying to use their 2011 stat book as a lone source, which while it is a source, it has been after review, considered suspect and brought into question by peers, given the fact that very little research was put into it, and it regurgitates known errors. I reverted the table back to it's late September form.
In addition, there are supplemental tables that have been added that don't seem to belong on that article. they appear to be WP:OR Doctorindy↔ Talk 16:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
I deprodded C. R. Crews, a late-2000s Indy Lights driver, that had been prodded as 'not notable'. Indy Lighs is kinda... *wibbles hand* when it comes to Conferring Notability, but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt. The problem is it's deplorably referenced, and I can't find much, but I don't have much in the way of dead trees about open wheel from that era, so I'm kicking it here as something that may need rescuing by y'all. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:40, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi all,
So as I look for ways to visually improve race results tables, one thing that came to my attention was the Template:American Open Wheel driver results legend, which is influenced by the current points system used by Formula 1. However, for the vast majority of CART's existence (1983-2003), a slightly different points system was used. Unlike modern F1, which gives points to the Top 10, CART awarded points to the Top 12, and I think the AOWR results template should be changed to reflect that, at least in the applicable CART seasons. I've already done these visual changes on each of the CART season pages but not on driver or teams pages yet. What are the AOWR community's thoughts on this? Rocks with Salt ( talk) 17:53, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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Seems like it's all over the place depending on the season. My metric would be that the race team actually has facilities outside the US, not that someone who is Canadian or Australian owns, sponsors, or drives the team. So Carlin Motorsport is a British team, but Roth Racing was an American team (despite being owned by a Canadian). Jensen MotorSport has facilities in Canada, so they would count as a Canadian team. Froo ( talk) 18:26, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
I just found that Vel's Parnelli Jones Racing is mostly about the teams short F1 effort and has almost nothing about it's biggest successes in Indycar racing. It wasn't even marked under the scope of WP:AOWR until I added it today. Can someone more knowledgeable about the 70s' USAC period take a look at it? Pc13 ( talk) 14:40, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Can interested editors please look at this thread and chime in? -- NeilN talk to me 20:02, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
It has been proposed that Al Miller II be renamed as Al Miller (racing driver born 1921). Interested editors are invited to participate in the discussion. DH85868993 ( talk) 07:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
I would like to propose a change to the way we format driver's career results, e.g. Scott Dixon. I think we should include team, chassis, and engine on each row, as we do for F1 seasons. I think our current formatting is absurd and hard to follow. You should be able to scan each row horizontally and view all the information you need. In Dixon's 2007 row, for instance, you have to look up or down to find any information past the year. It's just an extremely bad design. I've tried to implement this before but everything is immediately reverted, for some reason. Wicka wicka ( talk) 15:11, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
In ednitng this page, I found out there's a convention to divide the race in halves. Whose bright idea was this, Brian Williams? Races don't have halves. Nor halftime shows, no matter how much ignorant sportscasters might want them to. So, is this nonsensical, & should it be changed? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 01:52, 31 October 2018 (UTC) (BTW, I expect my opinion to be ignored, like it is on just about everything else..)
The gallery of Zach Catanzareti Photo ( https://www.flickr.com/photos/58980992@N03/) has very good photos of 2018 that can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. I hope it serves you. -- Adriel 00 ( talk) 18:45, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
A discussion regarding whether or not information concerning the tax problems of Hélio Castroneves should be included in the Greg Moore (racing driver) article. Interested editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Thank you. MWright96 (talk) 17:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2014 GoPro Indy Grand Prix of Sonoma is currently discussing an article of interest to this WikiProject.
Thank you, – John M Wolfson ( talk • contribs) 00:16, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
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A discussion has been started at Talk:Patricio O'Ward#Namespace since one user decided to go against WP:COMMONNAME and move the page to an implied namespace. Your opinions are welcome. – Sabbatino ( talk) 14:58, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport#Broadcaster and viewership information in NASCAR and IndyCar articles. regarding the inclusion of broadcaster and tv viewerships in NASCAR and IndyCar articles. I invite interested editors to contribute there. A7V2 ( talk) 22:29, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Fellows, I've been thinking we should just split the drivers chart between full season entires and Indy/partial season entries. The split tables will be better organized and it makes more sense since most of the teams are running the full 2013 schedule. I've come up with a prototype chart for you all to look at.
And here is the limited entires table
Team | Engine | No. | Driver(s) | Round(s) | Notes |
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A. J. Foyt Enterprises | Honda | 41 | Chase Austin [13] (R) | 5 | |
Andretti Autosport | Chevrolet | TBA | Carlos Muñoz [14] (R) | 5 |
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So what do you all think? Gaeaman787 ( talk) 18:59, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't really like it. I think the current format handles things like driver changes more easily and is more easily extensible to support series. I think it's also useful to keep all a team's entries together in one place. - Drdisque ( talk) 17:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
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Sources differ regarding Don Edmunds' date of death. Interested editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion at Talk:Don Edmunds#Date of death. DH85868993 ( talk) 12:38, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
The word " aeroscreen" appears in 23 articles, but it does not appear to be defined well or linked to an article that explains what it means. In some cases, it appears to be a type of windscreen, and in others, it appears to refer to a new Red Bull-developed safety device. Some expert help is needed here. A short article similar to Halo (safety device), or even a section in that article if it is appropriate, would be welcome. Thanks. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 02:43, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
For several weeks and months a bit of a edit war has been going back and forth on numerous articles (see 2020 Indianapolis 500 for instance). What to use as the tag for former winners and rookies. Originally it was a bolded letter, then it was replaced with a color box. It's back and forth on many articles. Examples:
and
It would good to have some sort of consensus, rather than constant edit wars and reverts. Doctorindy↔ Talk 15:19, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
The article 2007 Las Vegas Atlantic Grand Prix has been nominated for deletion. Interested parties are welcome to contribute to the discussion here. MWright96 (talk) 09:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
As part of the future of NASCAR lore article, you are invited to discuss the future of lore sections in Template:IndyCar Series on ABC and Template:IndyCar Series on NBC here. FMecha ( to talk| to see log) 10:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone know about Larry Connor? Apparently he was a F2000 champ? (I don't follow F2000) His bio is missing is racing career, but since he's been an announced Axiom Space space tourist, it seems the time to update the bio. -- 65.93.183.33 ( talk) 00:39, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
In the 2021 season, Indy Lights added the halo rollbar device instead of the IndyCar plexiglass windscreen. The Indy Lights article should cover that change and why it added a halo instead of a windsrceen. Does anyone know the reason for the halo instead of the windshield? -- 67.70.27.246 ( talk) 16:16, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Related to the above, there are three recent proposed deletions which may be of interest to editors in this wikiproject since they concern (potential, as the above section makes clear) constructors who competed in the Indy 500. They are Hall (constructor), Turner (constructor) and Schroeder (constructor). I am mentioning this here as they do not appear on Wikipedia:WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing/Article alerts. A7V2 ( talk) 12:37, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Sources differ over the chassis make driven by Bill Mackey in the 1951 Indianapolis 500:
Can anyone provide additional info? Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 11:59, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Schroeder (constructor) which is relevant to this Wikiproject. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 09:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
There's a issue with Template:IndyCar sanctioning history: it's too big to be read. For now I reduced the font size. Rpo.castro ( talk) 20:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
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I've probably should ask this from the moment I began working on it (my first try got declined), but can anyone on this WikiProject help with Draft:First Responder 175 (the iRacing incident from two years ago)? FMecha ( to talk| to see log) 14:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Should we lay out a plan for what to do following the rebranding of the Road to Indy this year?
I'm not sure how to manage the Road to Indy page, since we don't know yet what's going to happen with Lights; but at the very least we should be moving:
as well as correcting various templates such as Template:USF2000, Template:Andersen Promotions, Template:Road to Indy; and updating Chris Griffis Memorial Test as it now encompasses Indy Lights only (the junior series now have the "USF Pro Fall Combine") 🇮🇪 TheChrisD { 💬| ✏️} 19:22, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Yay, more rebranding we're going to have to sort out... Indy Lights is now INDY NXT; but presumably per MoS we'll be renaming most pages to use Indy NXT? 🇮🇪 TheChrisD { 💬| ✏️} 15:03, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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An IP editor keeps changing the Indycar *race* lap record at Grand Prix of Long Beach to Justin Wilson's pole time from 2008. I've reverted them twice and left a message on their talk page. Can someone else revert their latest changes? I can't do it due to WP:3RR. Thanks. DH85868993 ( talk) 04:28, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Is anybody here living in the Indianapolis-area, and willing to visit the IMS Museum for some photos of vehicles from the 2nd Place exhibit before its closure mid-June? The photos would make good content for some Wiki pages.
RegalZ8790 ( talk) 21:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
I'm proposing that Gian Paolo Dallara be moved to Giampaolo Dallara. Interested editors are welcome to contribute to the existing discussion. DH85868993 ( talk) 11:48, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Seeing that the to-do list was requesting the creation of 2020 races, I noticed that the article for the 2020 St. Pete GP needed to be created, so I created a draft while I worked on it. Now that I finished it, I've now seen that there was already a redirect page with the race name in the mainspace. Should, I move the information from the draft to the mainspace article, remove the redirect link & request the deletion of the draft article? - HotMAN0199 ( talk) 22:29, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Let's show our appreciation to @ Thenascarman, who has just finished creating reports for the USAC/CART era California 500s, which follow the articles they have created for the Michigan and Pocono 500-mile races. Thanks to their dedication, this WP has achieved a major goal of having articles for all 500-mile races run during the USAC/CART eras!
Thank you!! RegalZ8790 ( talk) 03:36, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Motorsport#Color_Code_for_ranking -- Mark McWire ( talk) 10:52, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
An editor has proposed a change to Template:Infobox Grand Prix race report. Interested editors are welcome to contribute to the existing discussion. It's relevant to this WikiProject because that infobox is used in the Indianapolis 500 articles from 1950 to 1960, when the race was a round of the World Drivers' Championship. DH85868993 ( talk) 00:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi, for a long time I've noticed that information about winning chassis and engine manufacturer on Indy 500 pages can be buried quite deep in the article, even though this is IMO quite an important information. I was wondering how people feel about adding a winning chassis and a winning engine entry in the infobox? An alternative I was thinking about would be to add a caption entry, and add info about the winning car there, since the infobox picture for most 500 pages represents the winning car. SunflowerYuri ( talk) 10:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
I've just noticed that back in June 2020, the target of the redirect Champ Car was changed from Championship Auto Racing Teams (which covers 1979-2003) to Champ Car World Series (which covers 2004-2008). I couldn't find any related discussion. (There was this move discussion in January/February 2020 which resulted in Champ Car redirecting to Championship Auto Racing Teams, but I couldn't find a discussion for the target being changed to Champ Car World Series).
Anyway, as a result of the retarget, many links which used to link (via the redirect) to Championship Auto Racing Teams now link (via the redirect) to Champ Car World Series instead. As an example: Jackie Stewart contains the following wikitext:
Clearly, in this case, the text "CART Indycar" should link to Championship Auto Racing Teams (1979-2003), not Champ Car World Series (2004-2008). How should we handle this? Simply revert the (undiscussed?) change (noting that Talk:Champ Car still redirects to Talk:Championship Auto Racing Teams)? Or go through and update all the articles which link to Champ Car? (there are currently 1680 links to Champ Car but some of these would be via templates). DH85868993 ( talk) 00:58, 26 December 2023 (UTC)