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There is currently a discussion at the Project Concert talk page regarding the use of the countries of the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland) versus the UK in concert articles. Since lists and tables of concerts appear in some album articles, interested editors may add comments there. — Ojorojo ( talk) 16:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Per this AfD outcome, are we to not use their staff reviews anymore? Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 18:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
I've come across many of these type errors, not sure if the editor is posting this wrong or you project template needs to be adjusted, just wanted the project to be aware. Cheers, - FlightTime ( open channel) 19:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
specifically want to fix things like thatfor someone to fix it. It's not up to others' to "fix it when you come across them" - FlightTime ( open channel) 19:46, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm just saying tell your members not to include that parameter when setting new pages, it's not rocket science. - FlightTime ( open channel) 21:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Karol G has an upcoming album, which is titled Mañana Será Bonito (Bichota Season). [1] The problem is that Mañana Será Bonito is the name of her previous album, and her upcoming album is not a deluxe edition but a whole new album. [2] Therefore, which title should be used: Mañana Será Bonito (Bichota Season) or Mañana Será Bonito: Bichota Season? Jvaspad ( talk) 02:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
There is a producer/writer credit dispute on The Miseducation of Lauryn Hills talk page. Please comment there. Pillowdelight ( talk) 02:49, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Had a thought a while back of using {{ hovertext}} for track numbers in credits. e.g. on Natural Disaster (album)#Personnel, Butch Walker's drum credits would change from "drums (1, 3, 4, 6, 9, 10)" to "drums". I based this idea off of how Rate Your Music does it; hover over the gray-colored credits on this to see what I mean. Would that be an appropriate usage of the template, or would it be template overkill and I should just forget it? QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 19:12, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
The redirects Template:Album, Template:ALBUM, and Template:Albums to the template Template:WikiProject Albums have been listed for discussion at redirects for discussion. I invite readers to comment at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 7. SWinxy ( talk) 00:35, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
There have been some AfDs recently in which the nominator seemingly assumed that an album is not notable until it is released, leading to some contentious arguments from those of us in the Albums community. See THIS and THIS as instructive examples. I suspect that this was caused by some confusion between WP:CRYSTAL and the "unreleased" guideline at Wikipedia:Notability (music), especially among editors who are not active in the Albums community. That latter policy was very brief; it lumped obscure early demos, future albums, and cancelled albums together; and it was still using the infamous Chinese Democracy (2008) as an example to explain all of them. I have updated and clarified this guideline at Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Recordings, and expanded the former solitary section into two called "Unreleased" and "Future". I think I cleared up some sources of confusion, but everyone is welcome to adjust my prose if needed. Thanks. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 19:21, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Articles like Eurobeat Disney, Eurobeat Disney 3 (I don't know how many of these are in Wikipedia) lack any sources (Discogs link is a very weak and unreliable reference to be called a proper source). Quick online search for sources to complement these articles hasn't helped me either. Maybe these articles need to be deleted? Or else maybe someone has reliable sources to improve them? 178.121.5.171 ( talk) 11:42, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
We document consensus decisions about how to write album articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice, but it's technically only a Wikipedia essay, not a formal policy or guideline.
By comparison, the video game style guide and the film style guide are parts of the formal Wikipedia manual of style.
Why is this? Popcornfud ( talk) 12:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#WP:ALBUM_would_like_our_style_advice_incorporated_into_the_proper_style_guide. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 20:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
So, I am currently involved with a user who is under the impression that the Eponymous fourth album from Deftones was met with near universal critical praise. It was not. He frequently cites one major source (being Metacritic) as the reasoning for this statement, meanwhile I can dig up numerous credible reviews that either marginally negatively criticized the album, overall outweighing the positive responses.
PontiacAurora ( talk) 21:01, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:W/2016Album/#Requested move 14 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 22:40, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm wondering if someone should combine these pages. The U.S. version of Happy Nation just has three bonus tracks in addition to the 12 on The Sign. I'm not familiar with any previous discussions of such instances, and I don't see anything on their respective Talk pages indicating that any consideration was given to just having one article. Is there something about this situation that would make combining them problematic? Danaphile ( talk) 09:16, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
In
Los Angeles (Lol Tolhurst, Budgie, and Jacknife Lee album)'s infobox, I currently have a chronology for Lee's previous album Bamanan, but no others as neither Tolhurst nor Budgie have prior solo releases. I don't see a problem with it personally, but another user,
Spadebru, disagreed and called it
undue weight on one member of the trio, and even brought it up on
my talk page. Figured since we disagree so strongly on the matter that a wider discussion would be useful. Thoughts?
Personally, as I said I don't see an issue with it. If either of the other two had prior solo releases then I would be including those as well, and if they ever release again in the future then those can be added at that time. I get why it looks a bit silly to have just the one and I wish it didn't, but I don't think looking silly is a reason to remove it. And if any notability concerns are had, I will note that the previous album's Album of the Year page includes four reviews, one year-end list placement, and one mid-year placement, all from reliable sources, so an article could be thrown together for that at any time (and probably should be; feel free to jump on that if I don't get to it first).
QuietHere (
talk |
contributions)
15:44, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Was considering making the above category, but noticed that the only extant subcategory which would apply is Category:Future Classic mixtapes which I made yesterday. I figure there's probably enough material for a lot more subcats to exist, but it appears they don't currently. Is there any reason behind that which would mean I shouldn't? QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 17:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
I was going through Let Me Reintroduce Myselfs page and there’s an airplay chart in Italy under EarOne, which appears to be a radio station in Italy — I’m assuming. I don’t speak or read Italian. [1] — Is this considered a chart that should be included? Pillowdelight ( talk) 20:13, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
see Talk:Sings Kristofferson MistaPPPP ( talk) 22:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Spotify is used as a source on the album article Froge.mp3 and song articles like "Words". I looked through all the discussions, MOS, and style guidelines and couldn’t find anything prohibiting it. I need to know for a DYK I’m reviewing. Viriditas ( talk) 22:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Recently, documents related to Korean indie/rock music have been posted, but many people refer to the list of Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources because they do not specify a reliable source for the album. However, that document is mainly focused on K-culture and K-pop, and many Korean indie/rock music is introduced in music magazines or critic websites rather than K-charts, so they often fail to check even though they have reliable sources.
Of course, I left a similar discussion in that document ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources). But I thought it was right to add it here because what they mainly deal with is not only Korean music, but various forms of music, and I want to talk about whether it is appropriate to add them.
올해의수상자 ( talk) 00:11, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Could someone explain the differences between User and Staff reviews at RSN? The 2017 discussion linked on the projects source list points towards the sites now deleted Wikipedia article, and I can't find anything on the difference on the website. See WP:RSN#Sputnikmusic.com. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 12:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Can anyone clarify when we find a source that has an albums sales but later down the road the album gets an updated cert what are we supposed to keep in the box? The sales or the updated cert? Most times I see the updated cert in the box due to the sales ref being "outdated". [8] referring to this edit — I had removed the sales ref from Billboard due to the updated cert being released 2 months after the article was published. What should be kept in the box? Any insight would be appreciated. Pillowdelight ( talk) 17:39, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
The above back-and-forth exchanges clearly aren't amounting to anything productive, so let's see if we can come to a consensus on whether we can include sourced pure album sales numbers (when available) in certification tables on album pages. This topic was previously discussed three years ago here, but not officially confirmed. While we obviously put certification numbers in the "certification" column, RIAA has their way of getting those numbers (such as including the number of units shipped out to distributors, streaming numbers, and counting one sale of a double album as two units sold), while a database like Nielsen has their way of getting their numbers (by going solely on physical sales). I don't believe that one is better than the other, but I think it should be acceptable to also put a pure albums sold number in the separate "sales" column if a sales number is provided with a reliable source - even if this number isn't identical to RIAA's number. Blastmaster11 ( talk) 01:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
|salesamount=
parameter, with the |salesref=
parameter serving as a reference. As always, it's crucial for editors to exercise their discretion when assessing the reliability of the source. Also, I typically remove outdated sales figures if a new certification has been issued, unless there are objections from other editors.
Muhandes (
talk)
10:33, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
|salesamount=
parameter, with the |salesref=
parameter serving as a reference"?. --
Blastmaster11 (
talk)
17:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
An editor named Deeeogo is adding Hits as a source for album sales in articles recently [9] [10] [11]. Should websites like Hits should be considered reliable? TheAmazingPeanuts ( talk) 03:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Presently, Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources does not list Beats Per Minute (website). I have seen their reviews in several articles and aggregators like AnyDecentMusic? and Metacritic use their scores. Per a post to my talk by an IP directing me to this page about their editorial staff: https://beatsperminute.com/contact/ I am posting here to gauge if others think that BPM should be added to our approved list of reliable sources for album articles. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 16:05, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm if I Wanna Be with You (Mandy Moore song) was also released as a single for the soundtrack Center Stage (2000 film)? @ Breaktheicees: who added it even stated "The Aus maxi single specifically marks it as being from both, but I'm not sure where a ref for that would go" [12] I had removed it as they’re sourcing it from the "liner notes" clearly from Discogs [13] — after I removed it they reverted it claiming it’s in the cited liner notes [14] I immediately left them a message on their talk page even showing two sources [15] [16] that do not state anything about it being a single from the soundtrack. They then told me "It doesn't matter if it's also on discogs. The media itself is a valid source." and "Saying "taken from" a release typically means it is being promoted as a single from the release... this is very, very common." I can’t find any valid source that actually backs up this claim as a single from the soundtrack. Any insight would be appreciated. Pillowdelight ( talk) 07:05, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I'm trying to add a citation for who wrote a song ("Be My Forever" in List of songs recorded by Ed Sheeran). I see in Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources that liner notes are one of the best sources to cite for songwriters. I don't have the liner notes, but I found the names of the songwriters in another wikipedia article which cites the liner notes. What is the best approach here? Trust the other wiki article? (It includes Ed Sheeran as one of the songwriters while some other sources don't.) Look for a different source? Leave it without a citation and wait for someone who has the liner notes to add it in? (Or more likely someone will link to apple music, which doesn't list the writers, or another site that's discouraged.) Bchillen ( talk) 08:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Would Apple Music album blurbs be considered a reliable source? They aren't credited to anyone but they are written by someone at or for AM, who presumable has some sort of editorial oversight. Many albums feature track-by-tracks with exclusive information from the artists themselves. Also while we're at the discussion, Apple Music playlists descriptions (like for the "essentials" playlists) and artist descriptions (some of which are actually credited to a writer) are part of this question too. RF23 ( talk) 10:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
When I write articles about Korean (Indian) albums, there is no source for Korean review sites. First of all, in the case of IZM, there's no doubt because it's already written in Wikimedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources, but since they're usually review sites for albums and music (their reviews focus on rock/indie music from all over the world, not just Korean music) I think it should be on the list here, too. And Rhythmer is also an official hip-hop critic site founded by proven hip-hop critic Kang Il-kwon.(The sources in the Rhythmer document can corroborate what I say.)
The last Visla Magazine also covers subculture (mainly music) around the world, not just about Korea, which can be seen as a Korean version of Consequence. (And they have a lot of indie music/album articles.) They manage the music article staffs as a company, and many Wikipedia articles already use the website's source. 올해의수상자 ( talk) 02:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, I'd like to propose to remove the unknown parameter |artistid= from {{album chart}}, which is present on approximately 500 pages. This appears to have been pulled from {{single chart}} which supports the artistid parameter. I would be happy to clean this up using AWB, which should only take me a couple of hours. Please let me know if you agree if this worth doing. Thanks! Phuzion ( talk) 17:34, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm currently engaged in an edit war over at Aladdin Sane over a chart matter. IP user is currently citing bestsellingalbums.org. Is this reliable? Thanks. – zmbro ( talk) ( cont) 11:49, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Started a discussion at Talk:List of 2023 albums#Record labels with "Music" which could potentially involve wider Template:Infobox album usage, and I think would do well with a broad consensus. All comments are welcome, please and thank you. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 05:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Do It Anyway (album)#Requested move 3 October 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. estar8806 ( talk) ★ 19:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Hopefully this is the place to discuss this. An article I recently started, Your Favourite London Sounds, was quickly tagged with the notability template. Personally, I feel the article more than meets WP:NOTABILITY. It is built largely around an array of secondary sources directly about the album - either features or reviews - from sources such as John L. Walters at The Guardian (fine per Perennial sources), Kenneth Goldsmith at the New York Press (I would imagine is fine), Los Angeles Times (fine per Perennial sources), an extended version from Times Colonist (again I imagine it's fine), an NPR feature (fine per Perennial sources) and several pages from a David Toop book. The article is then fleshed out with material from other sources. Could anyone the review the situation? Because I feel it meets notable coverage.-- TangoTizerWolfstone ( talk) 16:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm seeing some articles with personnel listed, and others without. Isn't the former redundant since they're already listed on the main album article? Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 17:25, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi; I was wondering if this project still finds B-class criteria useful? (the B1-B6 ratings in the project banner)?
If so, as a result of the global switch to project-independent quality assessments, we're planning to move these B-class criteria to the WikiProject banner shell so they're not duplicated across projects. The B-class criteria and their behaviour won't change, I'm just wondering if people here still actively use them. DFlhb ( talk) 00:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council § Determining the future of B-class checklists. This project is being notified since it is one of the 82 WikiProjects that opted to support B-checklists (B1-B6) in your project banner.
DFlhb (
talk)
11:19, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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Archive 65 | ← | Archive 68 | Archive 69 | Archive 70 | Archive 71 | Archive 72 | → | Archive 74 |
There is currently a discussion at the Project Concert talk page regarding the use of the countries of the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland) versus the UK in concert articles. Since lists and tables of concerts appear in some album articles, interested editors may add comments there. — Ojorojo ( talk) 16:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Per this AfD outcome, are we to not use their staff reviews anymore? Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 18:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
I've come across many of these type errors, not sure if the editor is posting this wrong or you project template needs to be adjusted, just wanted the project to be aware. Cheers, - FlightTime ( open channel) 19:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
specifically want to fix things like thatfor someone to fix it. It's not up to others' to "fix it when you come across them" - FlightTime ( open channel) 19:46, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm just saying tell your members not to include that parameter when setting new pages, it's not rocket science. - FlightTime ( open channel) 21:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Karol G has an upcoming album, which is titled Mañana Será Bonito (Bichota Season). [1] The problem is that Mañana Será Bonito is the name of her previous album, and her upcoming album is not a deluxe edition but a whole new album. [2] Therefore, which title should be used: Mañana Será Bonito (Bichota Season) or Mañana Será Bonito: Bichota Season? Jvaspad ( talk) 02:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
There is a producer/writer credit dispute on The Miseducation of Lauryn Hills talk page. Please comment there. Pillowdelight ( talk) 02:49, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Had a thought a while back of using {{ hovertext}} for track numbers in credits. e.g. on Natural Disaster (album)#Personnel, Butch Walker's drum credits would change from "drums (1, 3, 4, 6, 9, 10)" to "drums". I based this idea off of how Rate Your Music does it; hover over the gray-colored credits on this to see what I mean. Would that be an appropriate usage of the template, or would it be template overkill and I should just forget it? QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 19:12, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
The redirects Template:Album, Template:ALBUM, and Template:Albums to the template Template:WikiProject Albums have been listed for discussion at redirects for discussion. I invite readers to comment at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 7. SWinxy ( talk) 00:35, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
There have been some AfDs recently in which the nominator seemingly assumed that an album is not notable until it is released, leading to some contentious arguments from those of us in the Albums community. See THIS and THIS as instructive examples. I suspect that this was caused by some confusion between WP:CRYSTAL and the "unreleased" guideline at Wikipedia:Notability (music), especially among editors who are not active in the Albums community. That latter policy was very brief; it lumped obscure early demos, future albums, and cancelled albums together; and it was still using the infamous Chinese Democracy (2008) as an example to explain all of them. I have updated and clarified this guideline at Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Recordings, and expanded the former solitary section into two called "Unreleased" and "Future". I think I cleared up some sources of confusion, but everyone is welcome to adjust my prose if needed. Thanks. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 19:21, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Articles like Eurobeat Disney, Eurobeat Disney 3 (I don't know how many of these are in Wikipedia) lack any sources (Discogs link is a very weak and unreliable reference to be called a proper source). Quick online search for sources to complement these articles hasn't helped me either. Maybe these articles need to be deleted? Or else maybe someone has reliable sources to improve them? 178.121.5.171 ( talk) 11:42, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
We document consensus decisions about how to write album articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice, but it's technically only a Wikipedia essay, not a formal policy or guideline.
By comparison, the video game style guide and the film style guide are parts of the formal Wikipedia manual of style.
Why is this? Popcornfud ( talk) 12:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#WP:ALBUM_would_like_our_style_advice_incorporated_into_the_proper_style_guide. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 20:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
So, I am currently involved with a user who is under the impression that the Eponymous fourth album from Deftones was met with near universal critical praise. It was not. He frequently cites one major source (being Metacritic) as the reasoning for this statement, meanwhile I can dig up numerous credible reviews that either marginally negatively criticized the album, overall outweighing the positive responses.
PontiacAurora ( talk) 21:01, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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cite web}}
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link)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:W/2016Album/#Requested move 14 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 22:40, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm wondering if someone should combine these pages. The U.S. version of Happy Nation just has three bonus tracks in addition to the 12 on The Sign. I'm not familiar with any previous discussions of such instances, and I don't see anything on their respective Talk pages indicating that any consideration was given to just having one article. Is there something about this situation that would make combining them problematic? Danaphile ( talk) 09:16, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
In
Los Angeles (Lol Tolhurst, Budgie, and Jacknife Lee album)'s infobox, I currently have a chronology for Lee's previous album Bamanan, but no others as neither Tolhurst nor Budgie have prior solo releases. I don't see a problem with it personally, but another user,
Spadebru, disagreed and called it
undue weight on one member of the trio, and even brought it up on
my talk page. Figured since we disagree so strongly on the matter that a wider discussion would be useful. Thoughts?
Personally, as I said I don't see an issue with it. If either of the other two had prior solo releases then I would be including those as well, and if they ever release again in the future then those can be added at that time. I get why it looks a bit silly to have just the one and I wish it didn't, but I don't think looking silly is a reason to remove it. And if any notability concerns are had, I will note that the previous album's Album of the Year page includes four reviews, one year-end list placement, and one mid-year placement, all from reliable sources, so an article could be thrown together for that at any time (and probably should be; feel free to jump on that if I don't get to it first).
QuietHere (
talk |
contributions)
15:44, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Was considering making the above category, but noticed that the only extant subcategory which would apply is Category:Future Classic mixtapes which I made yesterday. I figure there's probably enough material for a lot more subcats to exist, but it appears they don't currently. Is there any reason behind that which would mean I shouldn't? QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 17:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
I was going through Let Me Reintroduce Myselfs page and there’s an airplay chart in Italy under EarOne, which appears to be a radio station in Italy — I’m assuming. I don’t speak or read Italian. [1] — Is this considered a chart that should be included? Pillowdelight ( talk) 20:13, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
see Talk:Sings Kristofferson MistaPPPP ( talk) 22:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Spotify is used as a source on the album article Froge.mp3 and song articles like "Words". I looked through all the discussions, MOS, and style guidelines and couldn’t find anything prohibiting it. I need to know for a DYK I’m reviewing. Viriditas ( talk) 22:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Recently, documents related to Korean indie/rock music have been posted, but many people refer to the list of Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources because they do not specify a reliable source for the album. However, that document is mainly focused on K-culture and K-pop, and many Korean indie/rock music is introduced in music magazines or critic websites rather than K-charts, so they often fail to check even though they have reliable sources.
Of course, I left a similar discussion in that document ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources). But I thought it was right to add it here because what they mainly deal with is not only Korean music, but various forms of music, and I want to talk about whether it is appropriate to add them.
올해의수상자 ( talk) 00:11, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Could someone explain the differences between User and Staff reviews at RSN? The 2017 discussion linked on the projects source list points towards the sites now deleted Wikipedia article, and I can't find anything on the difference on the website. See WP:RSN#Sputnikmusic.com. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 12:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Can anyone clarify when we find a source that has an albums sales but later down the road the album gets an updated cert what are we supposed to keep in the box? The sales or the updated cert? Most times I see the updated cert in the box due to the sales ref being "outdated". [8] referring to this edit — I had removed the sales ref from Billboard due to the updated cert being released 2 months after the article was published. What should be kept in the box? Any insight would be appreciated. Pillowdelight ( talk) 17:39, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
The above back-and-forth exchanges clearly aren't amounting to anything productive, so let's see if we can come to a consensus on whether we can include sourced pure album sales numbers (when available) in certification tables on album pages. This topic was previously discussed three years ago here, but not officially confirmed. While we obviously put certification numbers in the "certification" column, RIAA has their way of getting those numbers (such as including the number of units shipped out to distributors, streaming numbers, and counting one sale of a double album as two units sold), while a database like Nielsen has their way of getting their numbers (by going solely on physical sales). I don't believe that one is better than the other, but I think it should be acceptable to also put a pure albums sold number in the separate "sales" column if a sales number is provided with a reliable source - even if this number isn't identical to RIAA's number. Blastmaster11 ( talk) 01:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
|salesamount=
parameter, with the |salesref=
parameter serving as a reference. As always, it's crucial for editors to exercise their discretion when assessing the reliability of the source. Also, I typically remove outdated sales figures if a new certification has been issued, unless there are objections from other editors.
Muhandes (
talk)
10:33, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
|salesamount=
parameter, with the |salesref=
parameter serving as a reference"?. --
Blastmaster11 (
talk)
17:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
An editor named Deeeogo is adding Hits as a source for album sales in articles recently [9] [10] [11]. Should websites like Hits should be considered reliable? TheAmazingPeanuts ( talk) 03:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Presently, Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources does not list Beats Per Minute (website). I have seen their reviews in several articles and aggregators like AnyDecentMusic? and Metacritic use their scores. Per a post to my talk by an IP directing me to this page about their editorial staff: https://beatsperminute.com/contact/ I am posting here to gauge if others think that BPM should be added to our approved list of reliable sources for album articles. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 16:05, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm if I Wanna Be with You (Mandy Moore song) was also released as a single for the soundtrack Center Stage (2000 film)? @ Breaktheicees: who added it even stated "The Aus maxi single specifically marks it as being from both, but I'm not sure where a ref for that would go" [12] I had removed it as they’re sourcing it from the "liner notes" clearly from Discogs [13] — after I removed it they reverted it claiming it’s in the cited liner notes [14] I immediately left them a message on their talk page even showing two sources [15] [16] that do not state anything about it being a single from the soundtrack. They then told me "It doesn't matter if it's also on discogs. The media itself is a valid source." and "Saying "taken from" a release typically means it is being promoted as a single from the release... this is very, very common." I can’t find any valid source that actually backs up this claim as a single from the soundtrack. Any insight would be appreciated. Pillowdelight ( talk) 07:05, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I'm trying to add a citation for who wrote a song ("Be My Forever" in List of songs recorded by Ed Sheeran). I see in Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources that liner notes are one of the best sources to cite for songwriters. I don't have the liner notes, but I found the names of the songwriters in another wikipedia article which cites the liner notes. What is the best approach here? Trust the other wiki article? (It includes Ed Sheeran as one of the songwriters while some other sources don't.) Look for a different source? Leave it without a citation and wait for someone who has the liner notes to add it in? (Or more likely someone will link to apple music, which doesn't list the writers, or another site that's discouraged.) Bchillen ( talk) 08:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Would Apple Music album blurbs be considered a reliable source? They aren't credited to anyone but they are written by someone at or for AM, who presumable has some sort of editorial oversight. Many albums feature track-by-tracks with exclusive information from the artists themselves. Also while we're at the discussion, Apple Music playlists descriptions (like for the "essentials" playlists) and artist descriptions (some of which are actually credited to a writer) are part of this question too. RF23 ( talk) 10:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
When I write articles about Korean (Indian) albums, there is no source for Korean review sites. First of all, in the case of IZM, there's no doubt because it's already written in Wikimedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources, but since they're usually review sites for albums and music (their reviews focus on rock/indie music from all over the world, not just Korean music) I think it should be on the list here, too. And Rhythmer is also an official hip-hop critic site founded by proven hip-hop critic Kang Il-kwon.(The sources in the Rhythmer document can corroborate what I say.)
The last Visla Magazine also covers subculture (mainly music) around the world, not just about Korea, which can be seen as a Korean version of Consequence. (And they have a lot of indie music/album articles.) They manage the music article staffs as a company, and many Wikipedia articles already use the website's source. 올해의수상자 ( talk) 02:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, I'd like to propose to remove the unknown parameter |artistid= from {{album chart}}, which is present on approximately 500 pages. This appears to have been pulled from {{single chart}} which supports the artistid parameter. I would be happy to clean this up using AWB, which should only take me a couple of hours. Please let me know if you agree if this worth doing. Thanks! Phuzion ( talk) 17:34, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm currently engaged in an edit war over at Aladdin Sane over a chart matter. IP user is currently citing bestsellingalbums.org. Is this reliable? Thanks. – zmbro ( talk) ( cont) 11:49, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Started a discussion at Talk:List of 2023 albums#Record labels with "Music" which could potentially involve wider Template:Infobox album usage, and I think would do well with a broad consensus. All comments are welcome, please and thank you. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 05:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Do It Anyway (album)#Requested move 3 October 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. estar8806 ( talk) ★ 19:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Hopefully this is the place to discuss this. An article I recently started, Your Favourite London Sounds, was quickly tagged with the notability template. Personally, I feel the article more than meets WP:NOTABILITY. It is built largely around an array of secondary sources directly about the album - either features or reviews - from sources such as John L. Walters at The Guardian (fine per Perennial sources), Kenneth Goldsmith at the New York Press (I would imagine is fine), Los Angeles Times (fine per Perennial sources), an extended version from Times Colonist (again I imagine it's fine), an NPR feature (fine per Perennial sources) and several pages from a David Toop book. The article is then fleshed out with material from other sources. Could anyone the review the situation? Because I feel it meets notable coverage.-- TangoTizerWolfstone ( talk) 16:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm seeing some articles with personnel listed, and others without. Isn't the former redundant since they're already listed on the main album article? Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 17:25, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi; I was wondering if this project still finds B-class criteria useful? (the B1-B6 ratings in the project banner)?
If so, as a result of the global switch to project-independent quality assessments, we're planning to move these B-class criteria to the WikiProject banner shell so they're not duplicated across projects. The B-class criteria and their behaviour won't change, I'm just wondering if people here still actively use them. DFlhb ( talk) 00:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council § Determining the future of B-class checklists. This project is being notified since it is one of the 82 WikiProjects that opted to support B-checklists (B1-B6) in your project banner.
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