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It would be missleading to add new peaks only if it states "2021 weekly chart performance for" - and then lower peaks would became redundant. I know there would be problem to include 50 years of peaks for some Christmas hits. @ Lk95: Eurohunter ( talk) 15:23, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Why is metacritic being used as WP:RS when its score is based on WP:UGC though its weight is much lower. Sikonmina ( talk) 07:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Isn't Sputnikmusic WP:UGC? Why is it considered reliable? Sikonmina ( talk) 12:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Made a proposal the other day ( found here) about an artist's discog category. Only gotten one response so far offering a different solution, would like more eyes on it to see where consensus lies on either option. Thanks! QuietHere ( talk) 16:09, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
I would like to know what should be used as the source for the annual charts in Austria, because I noticed that the ones posted on austriancharts.at do not match what is posted on the Hitradio Ö3 website and the sources are being changed. The annual chart page on austriancharts.at state that they were taken from Musikmarkt and determined by GfK Entertainment, but the magazine has been shut down since 2016. Should the year-end charts posted by Hitradio Ö3 be used instead? ThedancingMOONpolice ( talk) 23:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Niandra LaDes and Usually Just a T-Shirt for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 00:25, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi there. Australian musician Flume has announced a new album scheduled for release in May 2022, with a new single to be released tomorrow (2 February). I have prepared an article for it at Draft:Palaces (Flume album) but I'm unsure if I should move this to mainspace or wait a bit longer. Thanks. KaitoNkmra23 (talk!) 06:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey. Today, I am moving an archive of lists of number-one Billboard Rap albums to the lists of number-one R&B/hip-hop albums, because Billboard's R&B and rap album charts are furtherly consolidated with the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart, but rather as distillations. It also relates to single charts as well because of the urban music charting precision. What are your thoughts on this?
I am planning on redirecting Rap Albums to Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums#Top Rap Albums and every annual list of number-one rap albums to yearly lists of R&B/hip-hop albums to merge all sectionary chart number-one archives (R&B and rap) for specific genres together (Top R&B/Hip-Hop). What does it look like? Darrion "Beans" Brown 🙂 ( my talk page / my sandbox) 21:34, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
A RfC has begun at Kids See Ghosts talk page regarding the genre "psychedelic". Please add your comments there if interested. TheAmazingPeanuts ( talk) 00:00, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
At present sales certifications just show the current sales to date. While this is true and verifiable, it can be misleading about the contemporary cultural impact: an album released in 1980 that is certified gold in 1983 is different to one that has only achieved that in 2010. It would be simple for anyone adding a verified certification to also add the date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinlc ( talk • contribs) 14:32, February 4, 2022 (UTC)
|certyear=
parameter, but it is very common to include it, so it could easily be displayed if is present, if the community expresses this need. --
Muhandes (
talk) 10:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Cryptooology is a GA nominee and is close to passing, but the nominator appears to be offline. Anyone interested in making the small fixes suggested in the review so that it can be promoted? Olivaw-Daneel ( talk) 23:17, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Talk:All Lights Fucked on the Hairy Amp Drooling#RfC regarding the album description "claimed to be" has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. 66.30.12.132 ( talk) 18:41, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Please assist at Template talk:Albums category#Circular categorisation. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 20:12, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Can anyone approve or decline this so it can be resubmitted or something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:331F:C301:7966:9556:C7BE:69AD ( talk) 05:08, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
I've left a query at the talk page for All Lights Fucked on the Hairy Amp Drooling, an album with a unique release history which needs clarification around terminology being used (Expect to see the word "official" several times), and I'd like to establish a clear consensus on this one. QuietHere ( talk) 21:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Following comments at a recent FAC and a talk discussion, I was hoping we could have a final consensus on the reliability of Punknews.org? (The sources list does not include any link to a prior discussion.) During the FAC, me and DannyMusicEditor compiled this list of credentials for the various writers on the site:
The website has been around for over 20 years so longevity certainly won't be an issue. Thoughts? MusicforthePeople ( talk) 16:31, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Comment: I believe I prompted this discussion when I cited
Archive 138#Punknews.org when criticizing the use of Punknews as a reliable source. Despite the individual credentials of some of the top contributors, the
About page still refers to the site as "an inclusive community-based site for the delivery and discussion of music news". I do not see evidence of editorial oversight and believe any registered member have the opportunity to publish there. When I raised the issue,
DannyMusicEditor was quick to point out that Punknews was used as a source for a
FA candidate. However, upon inspection
this is the type of citation used which to me looks wholly unusable for any article, never mind a potential featured article. Cheers, --
SVT
Cobra 17:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Comment: I should mention I created a thread on
WP:RSN#Punknews.org. Cheers, --
SVT
Cobra 22:45, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I had question about singles added to albums or its editions years after it's release. I still have question what to do in case of discographies? Should it be "Non-album single" with note "Single was released on Album in 2022" so we can notice significant difference in years? Also what about remix singles if only album version was released on album? @ Tkbrett: @ Zmbro: Eurohunter ( talk) 15:55, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Here's a query I left earlier this month on the talk page for the Muse album The Resistance regarding its listed release date and the sources behind that information. Hasn't gotten any traction and frankly I'd forgotten about it entirely until just now (had the article sitting in my watchlist and just caught a new edit there), but I figure it's still worth consideration. Any responses are appreciated! QuietHere ( talk) 12:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
I have been working on album and music-related articles for more than 10 years and in all my time on Wikipedia I have never experienced so many editors dedicated to delete and redirect articles as in the last year. Claiming lack of notability and/or sources, they erase entire discographies in the blink of an eye. The discographies of Mr. Big and Night Ranger disappeared in such a way. Wasn't notability a subject to be decided with a discussion? Wasn't the improvement of articles with the research of reliable sources a priority for editors? Maybe I missed a change of policy on Wikipedia. The last example on my list is the articles Spell of Iron and Follow Me into Madness, where SirZPthundergod9001 could not find more sources besides the two already in the article and deleted them, claiming to be not notable. It appears to me that there are editors more prone to destroy the work of others than on creating content and research material. I guess that any stub article could be at risk now. Lewismaster ( talk) 21:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Following a GAN review suggestion, I'd like to start a discussion on British publication No Ripcord. They're already on the list of sources; I figured this would be a good time to get a consensus on them. Per their About page, they've existed since 1999 as a newsletter and then eventually evolved into a website. A long list of writers/other staff can be found here. Here's all the various writing credentials I could find:
Thoughts? MusicforthePeople ( talk) 19:32, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I feel like some parts of RYM can be used for sources, such as genre pages because the way genres have to be submitted on RYM has to be a queue, where people add a genre with sources, and people vote on it to see if it fits or not. I get about WP:USERG but the thing is that genre pages on RYM are sourced and approved before they appear, so would it be a good source for obscure internet genres that have their own page? Pyraminxsolver ( talk) 22:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Greetings fellow music Wikipedian colleagues. I am here to make a rather bold proposition. I would like to ask for some general feedback on an idea for a potential infobox rework that has been brewing in my head for a while.
With the days of physical singles being mostly gone, more and more lately, I have been discovering that one of the main ways to promote longer releases like albums is simply through the release of a music video, and more rarely a digital single. (Usually these precede album releases and digitally will just show up as available digital pieces of a whole album prior to its release.) In both popular and not-so-popular genres, I am noticing innumerable examples of songs receiving only music videos, but no physical or airplay release, and still becoming popular or notable tracks from a given record's era.
The tradition on Wikipedia is that most songs we designate "singles" are either sent for radio airplay or, rarely, released as separate and distinct digital singles from the album, and thus videos should be excluded from the infobox. I can live with that definition of "single", but I think another parameter should be created to use for songs that received only official music videos and no other form of release; we could use both parameters in one infobox for such a case.
Why? I believe this would be vital in helping a reader understand in summary what music was used to promote the album in cases where videos are filmed but singles are not issued in the traditional sense. An album's infobox is supposed to summarize basic information about it, right? If singles in the traditional sense can be listed this way, I think something should be adapted to allow for items that only saw video release in a promotional sense. This is especially vital for artists working in scenes that rarely see radio airplay, such as punk rock, metal and indie.
Second, at least in the area I edit in, reliable sources often refer to singles and music videos seemingly interchangeably, which conflicts with how we define them. I believe, based off of thorough personal observation of the alternative music press, that a single and a music video serve relatively the same promotional purpose in many genres, and when no airplay is expected, the video will be considered sufficient as the "single" by the press.
An example I would present for my case would be Tell All Your Friends. "Cute Without the E (Cut from the Team)" is far and away Taking Back Sunday's most popular track on Spotify and Apple Music, and Billboard even said it helped define a genre. It only ever received a music video release, however, and thus does not currently pass the current standard for infobox inclusion. Please note: I am not saying this song should be lumped in with the existing singles. If you move over to my work on Take Off Your Colours (by You Me at Six), I am asking for more of an identical, but separate parameter like this one uses for the singles on its American edition, except the heading for such a parameter would read "Music videos from...".
Selfish Machines does not bear any hint of any notable clarification needed songs from this album era, even though "Caraphernelia" and "Bulletproof Love" are among Pierce the Veil's most popular songs. ( I could list so many more lesser examples.)
A more popular, and Wikipedia-level notable example I could draw from would be Justin Timberlake's Man of the Woods and its title track. Never did it see a radio release, but it reached the charts and a full-scale music video was created for the song.
So what am I asking for again? Could we consider creating another separate parameter to recognize music video releases which were NOT released as singles in the traditional sense? I think these are just as important to highlight as singles. Another option of how to designate these songs, should they have their own Wikipedia pages, would also be nice. dannymusiceditor oops 04:59, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Bumping this thread in hopes it shows on some watchlists. Was hoping for a lot more than this over two weeks. dannymusiceditor oops 15:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Californication (album) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – zmbro ( talk) ( cont) 23:22, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
The length of an album obviously refers to its duration when played in its entirety. However, some albums have later editions with more songs which increase their lengths. When writing the length of an album in infoboxes, do we only write the length of the album when it was first released, or we can include lengths of other editions? Rattatast ( talk) 17:27, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Links to song videos are being added to album articles. Often, these are for songs that are listed as album tracks that have no commentary in the article. Some links show "removed" or "not available in your area". I haven't seen any guidance or discussion on this and wonder if the problem of link rot might outweigh their potential benefit. Any thoughts? — Ojorojo ( talk) 14:58, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
It looks like opinions differ on whether songs should be added:
If these adequately reflect the opinions for far, should there be a vote or possibly an RfC to establish a consensus?
— Ojorojo ( talk) 14:19, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone. If anyone could take a look and comment on the AFD for "Coincidance", I'd appreciate it. I think it could use some fresh, experienced eyes. Thanks in advance if you can. Sergecross73 msg me 13:24, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Can anyone add a chart section to the new article about the Grammy-winning album The Unofficial Bridgerton Musical? Thanks for any help! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 01:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
It seems LucasKannou ( talk · contribs) has been changing {{ 2000s-album-stub}} and its children to {{ 2010s-album-stub}} for albums released in 2010. They have been 2000s way for a while. Can anyone explain why that is the right or wrong move? The editor does not seem to want to listen to my rationale that there was no year 0. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 17:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Draft:It%27s_Almost_Dry_(Album) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ackner2 ( talk • contribs) 04:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
As the case with No Ripcord, Under the Radar is on the list of sources, but lacks a discussion in the archives. According to their article, they've been around since 2001, releasing four issues a year prior to the pandemic and have been nominated for a Plug Award on three occasions. They're used by Metacritic; a list of various editors can be found here. Here's various writing credentials I've found:
Thoughts? MusicforthePeople ( talk) 16:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
FYI, the usage of Full Communism ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Full Communism (album) -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 04:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
The recently released Pusha T album It's Almost Dry currently has two track listing templates, one standard and one for the Ye vs. Pharrell version which contains all the same tracks but in a different order. The difference is also explained in a footnote below both templates that I think explains the difference quite succinctly, and so I decided to remove the latter template thinking it unneeded. That edit was quickly reverted, and given the WP:BRD setup I'd been given I went to the talk page and launched a query. The reversion of my edit also mentioned a similar situation regarding Kendrick Lamar's Damn. and its second "Collectors Edition" template (the Damn. Collectors Edition track list is the same as the original but in exact reverse order). I started a query there too but given the lack of response so far I was told to take my concerns here instead, and here we are. In my opinion neither second track list are necessary when they can just as easily be explained in a sentence or two of prose. Why take up all that space, put up even more content for users to have to scroll past, when you can make the same point so much more briefly? But of course there's at least one user who disagrees with this premise and so I come here for consensus. QuietHere ( talk) 06:56, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
This may be a really obvious (or not) question, but I've never been able to fully suss Wikipedia's stance on student newspapers; in album articles, my (potentially entirely wrong) impression is that it depends on what they're being used (or not used) to source, or on the particular notability and third-party respect of the newspapers. I've encountered The Tech and The Harvard Crimson numerous times when wanting to expand articles, most recently today when I've seen them both assign a particular genre to an album that other publications seemingly haven't, and was wondering whether they would count as reliable.-- TangoTizerWolfstone ( talk) 16:39, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Reputable student media outlets, such as The Harvard Crimson, are considered generally reliable sources for news on their school and local community. They can sometimes be considered reliable on other topics, although professional sources are typically preferred when available.In your case, since other professional publications aren't assigning those genres, I would err on the side of caution and avoid adding those to the articles. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 14:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)and turns it into something like
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{ cite web}}, {{ cite journal}} and {{ doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
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Sean Stephens (
talk) 13:47, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
BTS' upcoming album Proof is their first anthology album (their label announced it as such) and secondary sources corroborate this. In the chronology of their discography, it's their 7th compilation album and 4th Korean-lang compilation. I originally wrote the opening line of the lead as "Proof is an upcoming anthology album by South Korean boy band BTS...", but another editor changed that to "Proof is the upcoming fourth Korean-language compilation album (seventh overall) by South Korean boy band BTS...". There are no sources so far (BB, RS, NME etc.) to support the 7th or 4th, but if you count the albums yourself then the numbering becomes apparent. I have used similar wording in the past when appropriate, but usually secondary sources corroborate that particular detail. I looked at the Beatles anthology album articles for guidance when I worded the BTS album stub and thought it was fine like that. Idk if this amounts to splitting hairs, but is the present wording better? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 22:51, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
The following conversation at Talk:Ella_Henderson#RFC:_British_Versus_English might be of interest to you ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 13:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to propose adding British publication Gigslutz to the list of sources. According to the about tab on their Facebook page, they've been around since 2013 and had pieces featured in The Guardian, NME and Uncut. Here's various writing credentials I've found:
Thoughts? MusicforthePeople ( talk) 13:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
It's a British outlet - the name and "slang" Slutz is very tongue and cheek/British Humour. But look at their website they have some very credible endorsements from artists themselves:
On that basis, and because the contributors seem credible, I think its perfectly usable. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 21:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Can anyone help with this requested move in regards to the album's release year? Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm trying to start a new page for Daryl Hall's recently released Before After. However, I keep screwing up the track listing table. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here?-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 14:04, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but I don't know if the album "Just Got Back From the Discomfort—We're Alright" by The Brave Little Abacus is notable enough to write about. There was an incredibly lengthy staff review in Sputnikmusic (enough to write an article based on, really), as well as making a place on SPIN's "30 Best Emo Revival Albums" list [85] and Crossfader's "emo primer": [86]. It also got a review in a student magazine [87], which I have been told is not reliable though. The album has received a lot of attention from unreliable sources, e.g. it is the 3rd ranked album from 2010 in the user-generated RateYourMusic [88], which is why I'm interested in writing about it, though I don't think that can factor into notability.
I started to write an article about it at
User:Endwise/sandbox 2, but stopped because I didn't know enough about how
WP:NALBUM works in practice. Do the 3 sources listed above (staff review in Sputnikmusic, appearence in SPIN and Crossfader lists), meet has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources
? Thanks for the help.
Endwise (
talk) 16:58, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
(Yes, I know this is WT:ALBUMS, but this is probably the most active of the music related Wikiprojects so I thought I'd mention it here too.)
There is a discussion on how to handle the lead section in the heavy metal music article and how the lead covers the accusations of misogyny in the sourced section about sexism in the body. It can be located here. Any input is appreciated. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 17:13, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, there's a discussion about the above topic at Talk:Positions_(album)#Inclusion_of_Covid_in_the_lead. Would appreciate some other comments from other editors, without prejudice. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 09:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
If anyone is interested to join the discussion. Bluesatellite ( talk) 02:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
The 2012 and 2020 editions are available online, but the 2003 one isn't. At least it isn't available from any reliable source. Famous Hobo ( talk) 17:55, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Is there a specific thing you would like to know? I see the text in PQ. Caro7200 ( talk) 20:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Been working on Draft:Diamond Star Halos the last few days, submitted it twice and been rejected both times. The first time was understandable because it was still stub-level and barebones (though I still think it was clearly notable at that point), but this second time I don't get. I wouldn't normally ask for this but given the circumstances could someone give the article a look and tell me what else I might be missing that I could add? I can't really imagine why this wouldn't clear. QuietHere ( talk) 05:12, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Please provide more input in this discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_May_31#Category:Liam_Payne_EPs. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:12, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Does have a listing at WP:RSMUSIC but no linked discussion. Couldn't find a specific discussion about it. Is owned by Townsquare Media which also owns the (as far as I'm aware) known reliable Loudwire and XXL, but doesn't appear to have any info on an editorial team (though to be fair I couldn't find one for Loudwire either, and XXL is also listed without a discussion). Appears in plenty of refs. Would just be good to confirm that RSMUSIC listing is for a good reason. QuietHere ( talk) 17:18, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Please see Talk:As_I_Am#Requested_move_5_June_2022 ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 21:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Hey! I've been deliberating for a bit on the creation of a wiki page for Tally Hall's Admittedly Incomplete Demos album. While it is just a demo compilation, it bears a lot of similarities to their Complete Demos album, which does have its own page. Admittedly Incomplete Demos had a page but was pulled altogether for bad sourcing and not being relevant enough, although I think with better sourcing and managing of the related topics it could prove itself useful in the Tally Hall / related cultural sphere of knowledge. I've tried to remedy some of these issues in my sandbox, namely by including a section about the physical release of a single from the album and accumulating more references. Although I can't claim to know what exactly makes a "good reference", I definitely included more of them where I thought them to be helpful than the Complete Demos page ever has. Any feedback would be appreciated! I'd especially like to know what kind of further background info I could add to legitimize its page, as I haven't ever made a page on Wikipedia before.
-- Peenwald ( talk) 04:21, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone. DannyMusicEditor ( talk · contribs) and myself have nominated Bleed American by Jimmy Eat World for the FA process. Any comments would be appreciated as it is a few days away from being archived if there is no further attention on it. MusicforthePeople ( talk) 10:54, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Do we can use Musicoholics in Wikipedia as a reliable source? -- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 16:31, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Phonograph record Swordman97 talk to me 07:42, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Last year, this topic was
already covered on the talk page. An
RfC was opened, and the almost unanimous consensus was to cut down the year-end or decade-end tables to only ten publications. However, the RfC was never closed. As there was no changes in
WP:ALBUMSTYLE, most of the articles that are mentioned in the discussion still have these large lists.
Furthermore, some articles such as
Senjutsu (this one is completely ridiculous), in addition to the insanely large table, also have a really long prose section that talks about the accolades that some songs, videos, illustrations, members of the band, etc. have received or have been nominated to. Is any of this really worth mentioning in the article?
Jocafus (
talk) 23:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
An RfC has been started to determine the reliability of the Medium publication Cuepoint. Your participation is welcomed. TheSandDoctor Talk 17:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Had a thought about a question regarding Justin Bieber's Journals, supposedly a compilation despite being made up of all original material and only three sources on the page ( Billboard, Complex, and Washington Post) actually calling it one. The same question was already proposed here in 2019 and I'd like to revive the conversation there (even though the original poster there was blocked for sockpuppetry). QuietHere ( talk) 15:04, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
On the new Brent Faiyaz album Wasteland, another editor (@ RodeoWrld) is claiming that the use of the term "marketed by" on the album's Spotify page, as well as mention on this page as releasing labels, is enough evidence that Venice Music and Stem Disintermedia are legitimate record labels to be included in the article. No other sources presented so far even mention those two, only Lost Kids ( the artist's label which has sole release credit on his other releases per the discography section of his WP article). Personally I'm not fully convinced, and have made that clear here (the second revert but the first where I remembered to mention it in my edit summary). The labels have been added a third time since, this time with that HitsDailyDouble page as a source, and rather than get into WP:3RR territory I've decided to bring it here. They also mention a precedent based on The Weeknd's releases (can confirm at least for After Hours per Spotify, haven't checked the rest yet). I'm not about to say there's no case here but I still believe it's an open question worth bringing for consensus. Thoughts? QuietHere ( talk) 18:34, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
With our Premium Services offering, we will support you at any point along your journey as an artist; bespoke to what you need and at whatever stage you require it. Supportive to your evolving needs throughout your releases and journey, we are equipped to strategize and execute across A&R, Creative, Digital, Marketing, Streaming and Sync.Similarly STEM records seems to be involved in distribution services. On that basis, I would say that both can be listed because it seems collectively that all three organisations are involved, and together they provide record label services as a collective. Again, with the Weeknd, his company owns the masters and pays for his recordings etc but its distributed through Republic so both should be included. This is clearer on the CD for Dawn FM where it shows both XO and Republic as labels. >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 18:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Just noticed a usage of SongMeanings.com as a source on " Have You Ever Seen the Rain?". My immediate thought was that that shouldn't be there, surely that site is no good under WP:USERG or something. But I couldn't find any discussions regarding it (though it has been brought up in discussions on other subjects), just that it is currently used 223 times on English WP. And then I realised that I don't actually know that much about SongMeanings. I had assumed it was user-generated content; after all, there is a big orange "Create Account" button right up front on the homepage. What else would I need an account for but to add my own fun facts? Per the about page the site is "a community of thousands of music lovers who contribute lyrics, discuss interpretations, and connect over songs and artists they love!", and while there is also a staff page which is typical of reliable sources, none of the descriptions there mention anything about editorial oversight. This seems like a cut-and-dry case of USERG, but I just find it interesting that despite how obvious this seems, it appears that nobody's brought it up before. So perhaps there's something I'm missing here; either WP's search failed to show me what I was looking for, or I just haven't dug enough through SM's site to find evidence of their reliability that everyone else already knows about. I dunno, I guess it could exist. Anyway, if it really hasn't come up before then I feel like I owe it to all of us to actually ask the question: is SongMeanings.com a reliable source, or a user-generated heap of nothing valuable to us 'round these parts? If the latter, should it get a listing at WP:NOTRSMUSIC? QuietHere ( talk) 09:30, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
SongMeanings is a community of thousands of music lovers who contribute lyrics, discuss interpretations, and connect over songs and artists they love!. It is effectively akin to Reddit. Although there are staff almost all the discussions are just fans. I'd agree a threat/opening at NOTRSMUSIC would be worth it. I can't understand peoples' fascinations to use the most shitty sources just to make a point. Go off what information is there instead of trying desperately to add detail. >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 11:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
FYI - you may wish to get involved in the above conversation. >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 22:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Acoustic (Joey Cape and Tony Sly album) just got relisted after receiving zero responses over the last week since I posted it, so I figured I should grab for some more attention here. Should be pretty cut and dry. QuietHere ( talk) 13:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Have a question about this sort of category--can't believe I've never noticed this before: Every album article by the listed artists appears under this category even if RS in individual album articles don't describe the music as power pop? I've only glanced at this, but I'm not sure every album by, say, Alex Chilton or NRBQ would be considered power pop; these were artists with long careers. A similar thing is going on with folk albums. Is this sacrificing accuracy for convenience: a kind of pigeonholing? I thought the genre of music was determined by what RS say about a specific album, not by the genre in which a musician has often (or sometimes) worked. Thank you. Caro7200 ( talk) 23:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Wavelength (soundtrack) looks to have been boldly merged into Wavelength (1983 film)#Soundtrack back in 2016 without any discussion. This merge has come up during an ongoing FFD about the non-free use of the album’s cover art in the article about the film. Would some members mind taking a a look at the merge to see whether it should be undone per WP:NALBUM? Perhaps WP:NEXIST is applicable and more sources discussing coverage the album can be found. — Marchjuly ( talk) 22:51, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Don't worry — I'm not trying to rehash WP:THEBAND.
I've noticed a number of bands that appear to sometimes use "the" with their name and sometimes not. These include:
As far as I can tell, each of these poses a gray area. Reliable sources flip back and forth between using "the" kind of randomly — ie, sometimes they write "Pixies" and sometimes "the Pixies". So do the bands themselves. Pixies fans love to insist that it's "Pixies" and not "the Pixies", but the singer says "the Pixies" in at least some interviews, and then we have the compilation album Death to the Pixies to point at. (The) Beastie Boys angrily said, in an interview, that their band name doesn't use "the" — but this is kind of undone by the fact that they themselves say "the Beastie Boys" in their most famous song.
The only thing that bothers me here is that the prose of our articles on each of these acts flips back and forth between using "the". I would prefer to settle on one approach on a case-by-case basis, but I'm not sure how to decide each case. Do we go with the most common use based on sources? How much weight do we give album art, band interviews, official materials, etc? Popcornfud ( talk) 15:52, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
When the word the is sometimes or consistently used at the beginning of a band's name, a redirect (or disambiguation) should be created with the alternative name (with or without "the").. Furthermore, WP:COMMONNAME says that if sources universally say something then use that terminology. This was previously (and painfully discussed) at Talk:Girls Like You. >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 21:01, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Is there any conflict of interest with these websites given that they are now owned by Warner Music Group? It is worth a discussion about their ability to remain neutral and do they no longer represent independent media? >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 16:55, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
I may eventually start an article for the Youngblood soundtrack, by War. It's a fine little cult film, but the soundtrack has always been more notable, as reliable sources indicate (and not just in a mere discography way). My question is: If I do start an article, do I remove the infobox and tracklisting stuff, and just go with a bluelink? In general, would that be the "policy" for every new album article that arises from a "parent" article with that sort of embedded template stuff? Thanks. Caro7200 ( talk) 15:43, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Under "Legacy," the page says, "With Born in the U.S.A., Springsteen helped popularize American heartland rock in the mainstream, which allowed for greater success for recording artists such as John Mellencamp, Tom Petty, and Bob Seger..."
With respect, this is demonstrably false - and actually backward. By the time Springsteen released Born in the U.S.A. (1984):
-Bob Seger had released Beautiful Loser (2x Platinum), Night Moves (6x Platinum), Stranger in Town (6x Platinum), and Against the Wind (5x Platinum), and already had 10+ Top 10 hits -John Mellencamp had released American Fool (5x Platinum) and Uh-Huh (3x Platinum), and had 7 Top 10 hits -Tom Petty had released Damn the Torpedoes (3x Platinum) and Hard Promises (2x Platinum), and had 10 Top 10 hits.
Thus, it would seem that it was the three of THEM (particularly Seger, who is the "godfather" of "heartland rock") who allowed Springsteen's greater success, and not the other way around. 2603:7000:9A02:A200:449A:8ED5:2755:4612 ( talk) 22:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Here. Not sure what the implications ought to be for us, if any. Popcornfud ( talk) 14:26, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Eventually, Sputnik grew enough of an audience that the admins who ran the site decided to organize a little bit. They put together the site's first "staff writers", and I was selected to be on the staff.Do we know exactly when this happened? Maybe a cut-off date could also be used, something like "reviews before x year/date are generally unreliable" given that there were no staff reviewers at the time? Alduin2000 ( talk) 18:02, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi! I’d like to request someone to put in a deletion nomination for [Safe Rock and Roll Sucks] by Balzac. I couldn’t find any reliable information about this article on the internet. I think nominating an article for deletion is an administrative task only, but if I can do it, then please tell me the process in Layman’s terms. KevinML ( talk) 11:08, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to start a discussion on adding American publication Consumable Online to the list of sources. Scott Williams founded Consumable initially as a print publication in 1993 to cover music in New Jersey and New York, running for two issues. [102] Bob Gajarsky had previously written for his college newspaper and came across the publication in August 1993, and at his suggestion switched from print to online. Williams departed in 1995, leaving Gajarsky as its sole editor. [103] Lang Whitaker became the managing editor from March 1999 until its closing in August 2000. [104] [105] Gajarsky's linkedin states that it was apparently the "Internet's first regular collaborative music reviews publication". It ran for 215 issues, recieving pieces from 30 members of staff around the world. The site was named (per linkedin) "Best of the Net" by The Mining Company, ranked within the "Top 100 Websites" according to Internetsuccess, given 4/4 stars by NetGuide, which calls the site the "no-frills alternative music authority", and has the "Internet Guide Award" from Britannica.com. [106]
Gajarsky worked with major label "publicity departments to educate about ways they could better utilize the Internet for music" (per linkedin). In the early days of the site, he wrote a music guide to Greenwich Village for Columbia.edu [107] and wrote some articles for Baseball Prospectus. Alongside this, he claims to have written liner notes for music releases, but I couldn't dig up anything in that regard. The site was hosted by WestNet Internet Services, based in Westchester county, New York. Some reviews were reprinted on artists' websites, such as a Meat Loaf Best Of on Jim Steinman's official website [108] and Spiders by Space on their website. [109] The website has been used as a source in two books, and was given a blurb in the book Net Music. Past issues of the site were available through Delphi at one point. [110] The following writing credentials, except where noted, are referenced here:
Thoughts? MusicforthePeople ( talk) 21:28, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm doing a GA review of Won (As Friends Rust album), and this review is used as a source. WP:A/S says to use staff reviews only; does the "staff pick" tag imply a staff review? Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 21:41, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
While editing the article for Demi Lovato's recent album Holy Fvck, I made an edit to indicate that two of the listed producers are actually credited as co-producers (see Tidal listing). That information came from Tidal, which regularly lists people credited as co-producers and additional producers in the primary "Producer" section.
Fellow editor Lil-unique1 disagreed with my reading of this information, and the reasoning they provided was very fair (see here. However, I find it very, very highly unlikely that any individual would be credited as both a co-producer and a producer for an album. Whenever I have added personnel or track listing sections in the past, I've always based the production credit on the "lesser" of the two. If they are credited as a producer and an additional producer, that seems like a clear indication that they are only credited as an additional producer.
The alternative to that reading would be to credit all of these individuals as both producer and co/additional producer, which is not an ideal solution in my opinion. I think this is something that would benefit from a widespread consensus that can be added to
WP:PERSONNEL. That way, we can figure out how to handle these kinds of situations in the future.
Sock
(tock talk) 19:58, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
So earlier today I saw this article about an album released by the record label Fader Label. What immediately struck me is that the article is from the publication The Fader, and for those who haven't already guessed it, yes the two are connected. Both were founded by the same guys and are part of the same media organisation ("It is owned by The Fader Media group, which also includes its website, thefader.com, as well as Fader films, Fader Label and Fader TV" from The Fader). And given past discussions such as Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 65#Uproxx and HipHopDX concerning these record label/publication corporate relationships leading to potential conflicts of interest, I figured I should point this one out as well. Is anyone aware of any reason why this wouldn't be a CoI? QuietHere ( talk) 02:27, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Drawing attention to the move request at Talk:Outside (David Bowie album)#Requested move 2 September 2022 (proposed move to 1. Outside), which could have ramifications in other places across the project. Cf WP:NATURAL. U-Mos ( talk) 23:09, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi there! I have opened a peer review for Missundaztood, article that had already passed a GA review and received a CE, in hopes to take it to FAC. The review has been open for some time, but with no comments. So I'm asking here if anyone would be willing to take a look and give their feedback on the article. I'd be very grateful. – TabooMatters94 ( talk) 12:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Woman I've Become (EP)#Requested move 5 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:22, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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QuietHere ( talk) 23:13, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Hey all. I got this Forbes article here that was written by a contributor (not staff) so that would mean it's unreliable per WP:NOTRSMUSIC. However, on the contributor's page, David Chui states he has written for Rolling Stone, The New York Times, Newsweek, Billboard, Pitchfork, Time Out New York, Paste, The Quietus, along others, which are all viewed here as reliable. So would this Forbes article from him be reliable then if he has written for a slew of established publications? Thanks. – zmbro ( talk) ( cont) 19:24, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I have noticed that there were genres that were covered by references sourced from Apple Music or iTunes for that matter. Does that count as a reliable source, or is it user-generated or a primary source? HorrorLover555 ( talk) 15:58, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Is anyone from WP:ALBUM able to determine whether the alternative cover art for the album Shout at the Devil was also the cover art for the single " Shout at the Devil (song)"? A user named Ytzesza keeps trying to add File:ShoutattheDevilCD2.jpg to main infobox about the song, but keeps getting reverted by a bot. The bot's removing of the file is being done because no non-free use rationale is provided for the single's article (see User talk:JJMC89#bot won’t stop removing images for more on that), and this is a fairly simple fix as long as the single's cover art is the same. The song is from 1983, so I'm not sure how to verify that the single actually used that cover art; so, I thought I'd ask about this here at WT:ALBUM. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I've been meaning to start an article for the album PEP by Lights. i have a very basic outline of it on my sandbox (just the section names and an album infobox) but i need some help. can i post it here? or should i create it as a draft? Melodies1917 ( talk) 18:40, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
I should probably know this, but ... if a redirect for an album title simply exists as a redirect to a band article (just a redirect; there was never any prose), can I "adopt" that redirect for an article about a different album? For example, I'm considering an article for Good Company, by Nat Adderley. Good Company exists as a redirect to the band the Dead South.
Similarly, I started an article for Bringin' It All Back Home (Johnny Copeland album); a redirect already existed for the almost-identical Dylan album. I left that, as the Dylan album will attract 1,000X the number of eyes, but wasn't sure if that actually conforms to policy. Thanks. Caro7200 ( talk) 16:00, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Can someone tell me whether Genius's year-end lists are worth including in the tables under Critical reception or Accolades sections? I came across them on a handful of kpop song/album articles and removed them from one page, but would like to be sure before I erroneously start mass-removing. So far, all mentions are sourced directly from either Genius's Kor website or twitter. Also, " Love It If We Made It" has one of the longest Accolades tables I've ever seen on Wikipedia, in addition to also having Genius in its table. I'm pretty sure I recall a recentish discussion that concluded only 10 lists max, or something along those lines, should be in a table. Has that since been walked-back? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 06:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
There's a discussion on what to do with Willow Smith's album Coping Mechanism (album) happening here. Input would be appreciated. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 17:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
I've always been suspicious of this site but haven't bothered to raise those suspicions 'til now since it's mostly been a non-issue, but at this point I think it's better to ask just to clear the air. I'm not the first to say anything (see here) but nothing came of that brief discussion and I haven't seen anything else on the subject. The site is in use on 202 pages currently.
Their articles about album announcements ( e.g.) have always given me the vibe of glorified ad copy. I clicked through a couple dozen reviews only to see "Page not found" every time, and those are links from their own directory which I take as an especially bad sign. The one review I could get access to doesn't list a writer, consists of just a few short paragraphs, and then quickly transitions into more ad copy. One of the paragraphs in the review even starts talking about how you just have to see this band live which has nothing to do with the album and sounds like something I'd love to see written about my band if my record label had paid that website to write about me. Oh, and for a fun added bonus, the band's article cites Rock 'n Load for its album announcement which, and try to be shocked by this one, is another "Page not found".
I've seen no staff page, no bylines, none of the usual signifiers of a reliable source. They present themselves like one in style, but in substance this feels much closer to Shore Fire Media than anything on WP:RSMUSIC. In fact, this feels like a shoo-in for a WP:NOTRSMUSIC listing to me. Thoughts? QuietHere ( talk) 16:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
This editor thinks adding Anthony Fantano is an reliable source ignoring the fact there was four discussions back in 2014, 2017, 2017 (2), and 2021, respectively, regarding this person. Keep in mind that the article is currently being reviewed for good article status. TheAmazingPeanuts ( talk) 17:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
@ PerfectSoundWhatever and TheAmazingPeanuts: I was pinged to provide my opinion on TheNeedleDrop/Fantano's usage in Coin Coin Chapter Three: River Run Thee, since I am currently reviewing the article for GA status. I was unaware of the contentious nature of that source and have not read all of the various discussions by editors about it. What I have read, however, leads me to accept this source's usage for "review only" purposes in this article and to be cited sparingly, at that. I make no determination on the source's validity for other WP articles. I thank both editors for their various opinions above and elsewhere on this matter you are both to be applauded. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 21:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Reminding editors that they need to be following WP:BRD regardless. Stop reverting. Sergecross73 msg me 21:54, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
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It would be missleading to add new peaks only if it states "2021 weekly chart performance for" - and then lower peaks would became redundant. I know there would be problem to include 50 years of peaks for some Christmas hits. @ Lk95: Eurohunter ( talk) 15:23, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Why is metacritic being used as WP:RS when its score is based on WP:UGC though its weight is much lower. Sikonmina ( talk) 07:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Isn't Sputnikmusic WP:UGC? Why is it considered reliable? Sikonmina ( talk) 12:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Made a proposal the other day ( found here) about an artist's discog category. Only gotten one response so far offering a different solution, would like more eyes on it to see where consensus lies on either option. Thanks! QuietHere ( talk) 16:09, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
I would like to know what should be used as the source for the annual charts in Austria, because I noticed that the ones posted on austriancharts.at do not match what is posted on the Hitradio Ö3 website and the sources are being changed. The annual chart page on austriancharts.at state that they were taken from Musikmarkt and determined by GfK Entertainment, but the magazine has been shut down since 2016. Should the year-end charts posted by Hitradio Ö3 be used instead? ThedancingMOONpolice ( talk) 23:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Niandra LaDes and Usually Just a T-Shirt for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 00:25, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi there. Australian musician Flume has announced a new album scheduled for release in May 2022, with a new single to be released tomorrow (2 February). I have prepared an article for it at Draft:Palaces (Flume album) but I'm unsure if I should move this to mainspace or wait a bit longer. Thanks. KaitoNkmra23 (talk!) 06:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey. Today, I am moving an archive of lists of number-one Billboard Rap albums to the lists of number-one R&B/hip-hop albums, because Billboard's R&B and rap album charts are furtherly consolidated with the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart, but rather as distillations. It also relates to single charts as well because of the urban music charting precision. What are your thoughts on this?
I am planning on redirecting Rap Albums to Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums#Top Rap Albums and every annual list of number-one rap albums to yearly lists of R&B/hip-hop albums to merge all sectionary chart number-one archives (R&B and rap) for specific genres together (Top R&B/Hip-Hop). What does it look like? Darrion "Beans" Brown 🙂 ( my talk page / my sandbox) 21:34, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
A RfC has begun at Kids See Ghosts talk page regarding the genre "psychedelic". Please add your comments there if interested. TheAmazingPeanuts ( talk) 00:00, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
At present sales certifications just show the current sales to date. While this is true and verifiable, it can be misleading about the contemporary cultural impact: an album released in 1980 that is certified gold in 1983 is different to one that has only achieved that in 2010. It would be simple for anyone adding a verified certification to also add the date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinlc ( talk • contribs) 14:32, February 4, 2022 (UTC)
|certyear=
parameter, but it is very common to include it, so it could easily be displayed if is present, if the community expresses this need. --
Muhandes (
talk) 10:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Cryptooology is a GA nominee and is close to passing, but the nominator appears to be offline. Anyone interested in making the small fixes suggested in the review so that it can be promoted? Olivaw-Daneel ( talk) 23:17, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Talk:All Lights Fucked on the Hairy Amp Drooling#RfC regarding the album description "claimed to be" has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. 66.30.12.132 ( talk) 18:41, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Please assist at Template talk:Albums category#Circular categorisation. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 20:12, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Can anyone approve or decline this so it can be resubmitted or something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:331F:C301:7966:9556:C7BE:69AD ( talk) 05:08, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
I've left a query at the talk page for All Lights Fucked on the Hairy Amp Drooling, an album with a unique release history which needs clarification around terminology being used (Expect to see the word "official" several times), and I'd like to establish a clear consensus on this one. QuietHere ( talk) 21:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Following comments at a recent FAC and a talk discussion, I was hoping we could have a final consensus on the reliability of Punknews.org? (The sources list does not include any link to a prior discussion.) During the FAC, me and DannyMusicEditor compiled this list of credentials for the various writers on the site:
The website has been around for over 20 years so longevity certainly won't be an issue. Thoughts? MusicforthePeople ( talk) 16:31, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Comment: I believe I prompted this discussion when I cited
Archive 138#Punknews.org when criticizing the use of Punknews as a reliable source. Despite the individual credentials of some of the top contributors, the
About page still refers to the site as "an inclusive community-based site for the delivery and discussion of music news". I do not see evidence of editorial oversight and believe any registered member have the opportunity to publish there. When I raised the issue,
DannyMusicEditor was quick to point out that Punknews was used as a source for a
FA candidate. However, upon inspection
this is the type of citation used which to me looks wholly unusable for any article, never mind a potential featured article. Cheers, --
SVT
Cobra 17:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Comment: I should mention I created a thread on
WP:RSN#Punknews.org. Cheers, --
SVT
Cobra 22:45, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I had question about singles added to albums or its editions years after it's release. I still have question what to do in case of discographies? Should it be "Non-album single" with note "Single was released on Album in 2022" so we can notice significant difference in years? Also what about remix singles if only album version was released on album? @ Tkbrett: @ Zmbro: Eurohunter ( talk) 15:55, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Here's a query I left earlier this month on the talk page for the Muse album The Resistance regarding its listed release date and the sources behind that information. Hasn't gotten any traction and frankly I'd forgotten about it entirely until just now (had the article sitting in my watchlist and just caught a new edit there), but I figure it's still worth consideration. Any responses are appreciated! QuietHere ( talk) 12:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
I have been working on album and music-related articles for more than 10 years and in all my time on Wikipedia I have never experienced so many editors dedicated to delete and redirect articles as in the last year. Claiming lack of notability and/or sources, they erase entire discographies in the blink of an eye. The discographies of Mr. Big and Night Ranger disappeared in such a way. Wasn't notability a subject to be decided with a discussion? Wasn't the improvement of articles with the research of reliable sources a priority for editors? Maybe I missed a change of policy on Wikipedia. The last example on my list is the articles Spell of Iron and Follow Me into Madness, where SirZPthundergod9001 could not find more sources besides the two already in the article and deleted them, claiming to be not notable. It appears to me that there are editors more prone to destroy the work of others than on creating content and research material. I guess that any stub article could be at risk now. Lewismaster ( talk) 21:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Following a GAN review suggestion, I'd like to start a discussion on British publication No Ripcord. They're already on the list of sources; I figured this would be a good time to get a consensus on them. Per their About page, they've existed since 1999 as a newsletter and then eventually evolved into a website. A long list of writers/other staff can be found here. Here's all the various writing credentials I could find:
Thoughts? MusicforthePeople ( talk) 19:32, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I feel like some parts of RYM can be used for sources, such as genre pages because the way genres have to be submitted on RYM has to be a queue, where people add a genre with sources, and people vote on it to see if it fits or not. I get about WP:USERG but the thing is that genre pages on RYM are sourced and approved before they appear, so would it be a good source for obscure internet genres that have their own page? Pyraminxsolver ( talk) 22:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Greetings fellow music Wikipedian colleagues. I am here to make a rather bold proposition. I would like to ask for some general feedback on an idea for a potential infobox rework that has been brewing in my head for a while.
With the days of physical singles being mostly gone, more and more lately, I have been discovering that one of the main ways to promote longer releases like albums is simply through the release of a music video, and more rarely a digital single. (Usually these precede album releases and digitally will just show up as available digital pieces of a whole album prior to its release.) In both popular and not-so-popular genres, I am noticing innumerable examples of songs receiving only music videos, but no physical or airplay release, and still becoming popular or notable tracks from a given record's era.
The tradition on Wikipedia is that most songs we designate "singles" are either sent for radio airplay or, rarely, released as separate and distinct digital singles from the album, and thus videos should be excluded from the infobox. I can live with that definition of "single", but I think another parameter should be created to use for songs that received only official music videos and no other form of release; we could use both parameters in one infobox for such a case.
Why? I believe this would be vital in helping a reader understand in summary what music was used to promote the album in cases where videos are filmed but singles are not issued in the traditional sense. An album's infobox is supposed to summarize basic information about it, right? If singles in the traditional sense can be listed this way, I think something should be adapted to allow for items that only saw video release in a promotional sense. This is especially vital for artists working in scenes that rarely see radio airplay, such as punk rock, metal and indie.
Second, at least in the area I edit in, reliable sources often refer to singles and music videos seemingly interchangeably, which conflicts with how we define them. I believe, based off of thorough personal observation of the alternative music press, that a single and a music video serve relatively the same promotional purpose in many genres, and when no airplay is expected, the video will be considered sufficient as the "single" by the press.
An example I would present for my case would be Tell All Your Friends. "Cute Without the E (Cut from the Team)" is far and away Taking Back Sunday's most popular track on Spotify and Apple Music, and Billboard even said it helped define a genre. It only ever received a music video release, however, and thus does not currently pass the current standard for infobox inclusion. Please note: I am not saying this song should be lumped in with the existing singles. If you move over to my work on Take Off Your Colours (by You Me at Six), I am asking for more of an identical, but separate parameter like this one uses for the singles on its American edition, except the heading for such a parameter would read "Music videos from...".
Selfish Machines does not bear any hint of any notable clarification needed songs from this album era, even though "Caraphernelia" and "Bulletproof Love" are among Pierce the Veil's most popular songs. ( I could list so many more lesser examples.)
A more popular, and Wikipedia-level notable example I could draw from would be Justin Timberlake's Man of the Woods and its title track. Never did it see a radio release, but it reached the charts and a full-scale music video was created for the song.
So what am I asking for again? Could we consider creating another separate parameter to recognize music video releases which were NOT released as singles in the traditional sense? I think these are just as important to highlight as singles. Another option of how to designate these songs, should they have their own Wikipedia pages, would also be nice. dannymusiceditor oops 04:59, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Bumping this thread in hopes it shows on some watchlists. Was hoping for a lot more than this over two weeks. dannymusiceditor oops 15:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Californication (album) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – zmbro ( talk) ( cont) 23:22, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
The length of an album obviously refers to its duration when played in its entirety. However, some albums have later editions with more songs which increase their lengths. When writing the length of an album in infoboxes, do we only write the length of the album when it was first released, or we can include lengths of other editions? Rattatast ( talk) 17:27, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Links to song videos are being added to album articles. Often, these are for songs that are listed as album tracks that have no commentary in the article. Some links show "removed" or "not available in your area". I haven't seen any guidance or discussion on this and wonder if the problem of link rot might outweigh their potential benefit. Any thoughts? — Ojorojo ( talk) 14:58, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
It looks like opinions differ on whether songs should be added:
If these adequately reflect the opinions for far, should there be a vote or possibly an RfC to establish a consensus?
— Ojorojo ( talk) 14:19, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone. If anyone could take a look and comment on the AFD for "Coincidance", I'd appreciate it. I think it could use some fresh, experienced eyes. Thanks in advance if you can. Sergecross73 msg me 13:24, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Can anyone add a chart section to the new article about the Grammy-winning album The Unofficial Bridgerton Musical? Thanks for any help! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 01:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
It seems LucasKannou ( talk · contribs) has been changing {{ 2000s-album-stub}} and its children to {{ 2010s-album-stub}} for albums released in 2010. They have been 2000s way for a while. Can anyone explain why that is the right or wrong move? The editor does not seem to want to listen to my rationale that there was no year 0. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 17:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Draft:It%27s_Almost_Dry_(Album) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ackner2 ( talk • contribs) 04:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
As the case with No Ripcord, Under the Radar is on the list of sources, but lacks a discussion in the archives. According to their article, they've been around since 2001, releasing four issues a year prior to the pandemic and have been nominated for a Plug Award on three occasions. They're used by Metacritic; a list of various editors can be found here. Here's various writing credentials I've found:
Thoughts? MusicforthePeople ( talk) 16:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
FYI, the usage of Full Communism ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Full Communism (album) -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 04:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
The recently released Pusha T album It's Almost Dry currently has two track listing templates, one standard and one for the Ye vs. Pharrell version which contains all the same tracks but in a different order. The difference is also explained in a footnote below both templates that I think explains the difference quite succinctly, and so I decided to remove the latter template thinking it unneeded. That edit was quickly reverted, and given the WP:BRD setup I'd been given I went to the talk page and launched a query. The reversion of my edit also mentioned a similar situation regarding Kendrick Lamar's Damn. and its second "Collectors Edition" template (the Damn. Collectors Edition track list is the same as the original but in exact reverse order). I started a query there too but given the lack of response so far I was told to take my concerns here instead, and here we are. In my opinion neither second track list are necessary when they can just as easily be explained in a sentence or two of prose. Why take up all that space, put up even more content for users to have to scroll past, when you can make the same point so much more briefly? But of course there's at least one user who disagrees with this premise and so I come here for consensus. QuietHere ( talk) 06:56, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
This may be a really obvious (or not) question, but I've never been able to fully suss Wikipedia's stance on student newspapers; in album articles, my (potentially entirely wrong) impression is that it depends on what they're being used (or not used) to source, or on the particular notability and third-party respect of the newspapers. I've encountered The Tech and The Harvard Crimson numerous times when wanting to expand articles, most recently today when I've seen them both assign a particular genre to an album that other publications seemingly haven't, and was wondering whether they would count as reliable.-- TangoTizerWolfstone ( talk) 16:39, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Reputable student media outlets, such as The Harvard Crimson, are considered generally reliable sources for news on their school and local community. They can sometimes be considered reliable on other topics, although professional sources are typically preferred when available.In your case, since other professional publications aren't assigning those genres, I would err on the side of caution and avoid adding those to the articles. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 14:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)and turns it into something like
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{ cite web}}, {{ cite journal}} and {{ doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 16:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jiroe.
Sean Stephens (
talk) 13:47, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
BTS' upcoming album Proof is their first anthology album (their label announced it as such) and secondary sources corroborate this. In the chronology of their discography, it's their 7th compilation album and 4th Korean-lang compilation. I originally wrote the opening line of the lead as "Proof is an upcoming anthology album by South Korean boy band BTS...", but another editor changed that to "Proof is the upcoming fourth Korean-language compilation album (seventh overall) by South Korean boy band BTS...". There are no sources so far (BB, RS, NME etc.) to support the 7th or 4th, but if you count the albums yourself then the numbering becomes apparent. I have used similar wording in the past when appropriate, but usually secondary sources corroborate that particular detail. I looked at the Beatles anthology album articles for guidance when I worded the BTS album stub and thought it was fine like that. Idk if this amounts to splitting hairs, but is the present wording better? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 22:51, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
The following conversation at Talk:Ella_Henderson#RFC:_British_Versus_English might be of interest to you ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 13:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to propose adding British publication Gigslutz to the list of sources. According to the about tab on their Facebook page, they've been around since 2013 and had pieces featured in The Guardian, NME and Uncut. Here's various writing credentials I've found:
Thoughts? MusicforthePeople ( talk) 13:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
It's a British outlet - the name and "slang" Slutz is very tongue and cheek/British Humour. But look at their website they have some very credible endorsements from artists themselves:
On that basis, and because the contributors seem credible, I think its perfectly usable. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 21:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Can anyone help with this requested move in regards to the album's release year? Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm trying to start a new page for Daryl Hall's recently released Before After. However, I keep screwing up the track listing table. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here?-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 14:04, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but I don't know if the album "Just Got Back From the Discomfort—We're Alright" by The Brave Little Abacus is notable enough to write about. There was an incredibly lengthy staff review in Sputnikmusic (enough to write an article based on, really), as well as making a place on SPIN's "30 Best Emo Revival Albums" list [85] and Crossfader's "emo primer": [86]. It also got a review in a student magazine [87], which I have been told is not reliable though. The album has received a lot of attention from unreliable sources, e.g. it is the 3rd ranked album from 2010 in the user-generated RateYourMusic [88], which is why I'm interested in writing about it, though I don't think that can factor into notability.
I started to write an article about it at
User:Endwise/sandbox 2, but stopped because I didn't know enough about how
WP:NALBUM works in practice. Do the 3 sources listed above (staff review in Sputnikmusic, appearence in SPIN and Crossfader lists), meet has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources
? Thanks for the help.
Endwise (
talk) 16:58, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
(Yes, I know this is WT:ALBUMS, but this is probably the most active of the music related Wikiprojects so I thought I'd mention it here too.)
There is a discussion on how to handle the lead section in the heavy metal music article and how the lead covers the accusations of misogyny in the sourced section about sexism in the body. It can be located here. Any input is appreciated. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 17:13, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, there's a discussion about the above topic at Talk:Positions_(album)#Inclusion_of_Covid_in_the_lead. Would appreciate some other comments from other editors, without prejudice. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 09:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
If anyone is interested to join the discussion. Bluesatellite ( talk) 02:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
The 2012 and 2020 editions are available online, but the 2003 one isn't. At least it isn't available from any reliable source. Famous Hobo ( talk) 17:55, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Is there a specific thing you would like to know? I see the text in PQ. Caro7200 ( talk) 20:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Been working on Draft:Diamond Star Halos the last few days, submitted it twice and been rejected both times. The first time was understandable because it was still stub-level and barebones (though I still think it was clearly notable at that point), but this second time I don't get. I wouldn't normally ask for this but given the circumstances could someone give the article a look and tell me what else I might be missing that I could add? I can't really imagine why this wouldn't clear. QuietHere ( talk) 05:12, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Please provide more input in this discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_May_31#Category:Liam_Payne_EPs. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:12, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Does have a listing at WP:RSMUSIC but no linked discussion. Couldn't find a specific discussion about it. Is owned by Townsquare Media which also owns the (as far as I'm aware) known reliable Loudwire and XXL, but doesn't appear to have any info on an editorial team (though to be fair I couldn't find one for Loudwire either, and XXL is also listed without a discussion). Appears in plenty of refs. Would just be good to confirm that RSMUSIC listing is for a good reason. QuietHere ( talk) 17:18, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Please see Talk:As_I_Am#Requested_move_5_June_2022 ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 21:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Hey! I've been deliberating for a bit on the creation of a wiki page for Tally Hall's Admittedly Incomplete Demos album. While it is just a demo compilation, it bears a lot of similarities to their Complete Demos album, which does have its own page. Admittedly Incomplete Demos had a page but was pulled altogether for bad sourcing and not being relevant enough, although I think with better sourcing and managing of the related topics it could prove itself useful in the Tally Hall / related cultural sphere of knowledge. I've tried to remedy some of these issues in my sandbox, namely by including a section about the physical release of a single from the album and accumulating more references. Although I can't claim to know what exactly makes a "good reference", I definitely included more of them where I thought them to be helpful than the Complete Demos page ever has. Any feedback would be appreciated! I'd especially like to know what kind of further background info I could add to legitimize its page, as I haven't ever made a page on Wikipedia before.
-- Peenwald ( talk) 04:21, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone. DannyMusicEditor ( talk · contribs) and myself have nominated Bleed American by Jimmy Eat World for the FA process. Any comments would be appreciated as it is a few days away from being archived if there is no further attention on it. MusicforthePeople ( talk) 10:54, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Do we can use Musicoholics in Wikipedia as a reliable source? -- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 16:31, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Phonograph record Swordman97 talk to me 07:42, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Last year, this topic was
already covered on the talk page. An
RfC was opened, and the almost unanimous consensus was to cut down the year-end or decade-end tables to only ten publications. However, the RfC was never closed. As there was no changes in
WP:ALBUMSTYLE, most of the articles that are mentioned in the discussion still have these large lists.
Furthermore, some articles such as
Senjutsu (this one is completely ridiculous), in addition to the insanely large table, also have a really long prose section that talks about the accolades that some songs, videos, illustrations, members of the band, etc. have received or have been nominated to. Is any of this really worth mentioning in the article?
Jocafus (
talk) 23:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
An RfC has been started to determine the reliability of the Medium publication Cuepoint. Your participation is welcomed. TheSandDoctor Talk 17:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Had a thought about a question regarding Justin Bieber's Journals, supposedly a compilation despite being made up of all original material and only three sources on the page ( Billboard, Complex, and Washington Post) actually calling it one. The same question was already proposed here in 2019 and I'd like to revive the conversation there (even though the original poster there was blocked for sockpuppetry). QuietHere ( talk) 15:04, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
On the new Brent Faiyaz album Wasteland, another editor (@ RodeoWrld) is claiming that the use of the term "marketed by" on the album's Spotify page, as well as mention on this page as releasing labels, is enough evidence that Venice Music and Stem Disintermedia are legitimate record labels to be included in the article. No other sources presented so far even mention those two, only Lost Kids ( the artist's label which has sole release credit on his other releases per the discography section of his WP article). Personally I'm not fully convinced, and have made that clear here (the second revert but the first where I remembered to mention it in my edit summary). The labels have been added a third time since, this time with that HitsDailyDouble page as a source, and rather than get into WP:3RR territory I've decided to bring it here. They also mention a precedent based on The Weeknd's releases (can confirm at least for After Hours per Spotify, haven't checked the rest yet). I'm not about to say there's no case here but I still believe it's an open question worth bringing for consensus. Thoughts? QuietHere ( talk) 18:34, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
With our Premium Services offering, we will support you at any point along your journey as an artist; bespoke to what you need and at whatever stage you require it. Supportive to your evolving needs throughout your releases and journey, we are equipped to strategize and execute across A&R, Creative, Digital, Marketing, Streaming and Sync.Similarly STEM records seems to be involved in distribution services. On that basis, I would say that both can be listed because it seems collectively that all three organisations are involved, and together they provide record label services as a collective. Again, with the Weeknd, his company owns the masters and pays for his recordings etc but its distributed through Republic so both should be included. This is clearer on the CD for Dawn FM where it shows both XO and Republic as labels. >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 18:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Just noticed a usage of SongMeanings.com as a source on " Have You Ever Seen the Rain?". My immediate thought was that that shouldn't be there, surely that site is no good under WP:USERG or something. But I couldn't find any discussions regarding it (though it has been brought up in discussions on other subjects), just that it is currently used 223 times on English WP. And then I realised that I don't actually know that much about SongMeanings. I had assumed it was user-generated content; after all, there is a big orange "Create Account" button right up front on the homepage. What else would I need an account for but to add my own fun facts? Per the about page the site is "a community of thousands of music lovers who contribute lyrics, discuss interpretations, and connect over songs and artists they love!", and while there is also a staff page which is typical of reliable sources, none of the descriptions there mention anything about editorial oversight. This seems like a cut-and-dry case of USERG, but I just find it interesting that despite how obvious this seems, it appears that nobody's brought it up before. So perhaps there's something I'm missing here; either WP's search failed to show me what I was looking for, or I just haven't dug enough through SM's site to find evidence of their reliability that everyone else already knows about. I dunno, I guess it could exist. Anyway, if it really hasn't come up before then I feel like I owe it to all of us to actually ask the question: is SongMeanings.com a reliable source, or a user-generated heap of nothing valuable to us 'round these parts? If the latter, should it get a listing at WP:NOTRSMUSIC? QuietHere ( talk) 09:30, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
SongMeanings is a community of thousands of music lovers who contribute lyrics, discuss interpretations, and connect over songs and artists they love!. It is effectively akin to Reddit. Although there are staff almost all the discussions are just fans. I'd agree a threat/opening at NOTRSMUSIC would be worth it. I can't understand peoples' fascinations to use the most shitty sources just to make a point. Go off what information is there instead of trying desperately to add detail. >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 11:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
FYI - you may wish to get involved in the above conversation. >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 22:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Acoustic (Joey Cape and Tony Sly album) just got relisted after receiving zero responses over the last week since I posted it, so I figured I should grab for some more attention here. Should be pretty cut and dry. QuietHere ( talk) 13:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Have a question about this sort of category--can't believe I've never noticed this before: Every album article by the listed artists appears under this category even if RS in individual album articles don't describe the music as power pop? I've only glanced at this, but I'm not sure every album by, say, Alex Chilton or NRBQ would be considered power pop; these were artists with long careers. A similar thing is going on with folk albums. Is this sacrificing accuracy for convenience: a kind of pigeonholing? I thought the genre of music was determined by what RS say about a specific album, not by the genre in which a musician has often (or sometimes) worked. Thank you. Caro7200 ( talk) 23:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Wavelength (soundtrack) looks to have been boldly merged into Wavelength (1983 film)#Soundtrack back in 2016 without any discussion. This merge has come up during an ongoing FFD about the non-free use of the album’s cover art in the article about the film. Would some members mind taking a a look at the merge to see whether it should be undone per WP:NALBUM? Perhaps WP:NEXIST is applicable and more sources discussing coverage the album can be found. — Marchjuly ( talk) 22:51, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Don't worry — I'm not trying to rehash WP:THEBAND.
I've noticed a number of bands that appear to sometimes use "the" with their name and sometimes not. These include:
As far as I can tell, each of these poses a gray area. Reliable sources flip back and forth between using "the" kind of randomly — ie, sometimes they write "Pixies" and sometimes "the Pixies". So do the bands themselves. Pixies fans love to insist that it's "Pixies" and not "the Pixies", but the singer says "the Pixies" in at least some interviews, and then we have the compilation album Death to the Pixies to point at. (The) Beastie Boys angrily said, in an interview, that their band name doesn't use "the" — but this is kind of undone by the fact that they themselves say "the Beastie Boys" in their most famous song.
The only thing that bothers me here is that the prose of our articles on each of these acts flips back and forth between using "the". I would prefer to settle on one approach on a case-by-case basis, but I'm not sure how to decide each case. Do we go with the most common use based on sources? How much weight do we give album art, band interviews, official materials, etc? Popcornfud ( talk) 15:52, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
When the word the is sometimes or consistently used at the beginning of a band's name, a redirect (or disambiguation) should be created with the alternative name (with or without "the").. Furthermore, WP:COMMONNAME says that if sources universally say something then use that terminology. This was previously (and painfully discussed) at Talk:Girls Like You. >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 21:01, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Is there any conflict of interest with these websites given that they are now owned by Warner Music Group? It is worth a discussion about their ability to remain neutral and do they no longer represent independent media? >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 16:55, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
I may eventually start an article for the Youngblood soundtrack, by War. It's a fine little cult film, but the soundtrack has always been more notable, as reliable sources indicate (and not just in a mere discography way). My question is: If I do start an article, do I remove the infobox and tracklisting stuff, and just go with a bluelink? In general, would that be the "policy" for every new album article that arises from a "parent" article with that sort of embedded template stuff? Thanks. Caro7200 ( talk) 15:43, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Under "Legacy," the page says, "With Born in the U.S.A., Springsteen helped popularize American heartland rock in the mainstream, which allowed for greater success for recording artists such as John Mellencamp, Tom Petty, and Bob Seger..."
With respect, this is demonstrably false - and actually backward. By the time Springsteen released Born in the U.S.A. (1984):
-Bob Seger had released Beautiful Loser (2x Platinum), Night Moves (6x Platinum), Stranger in Town (6x Platinum), and Against the Wind (5x Platinum), and already had 10+ Top 10 hits -John Mellencamp had released American Fool (5x Platinum) and Uh-Huh (3x Platinum), and had 7 Top 10 hits -Tom Petty had released Damn the Torpedoes (3x Platinum) and Hard Promises (2x Platinum), and had 10 Top 10 hits.
Thus, it would seem that it was the three of THEM (particularly Seger, who is the "godfather" of "heartland rock") who allowed Springsteen's greater success, and not the other way around. 2603:7000:9A02:A200:449A:8ED5:2755:4612 ( talk) 22:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Here. Not sure what the implications ought to be for us, if any. Popcornfud ( talk) 14:26, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Eventually, Sputnik grew enough of an audience that the admins who ran the site decided to organize a little bit. They put together the site's first "staff writers", and I was selected to be on the staff.Do we know exactly when this happened? Maybe a cut-off date could also be used, something like "reviews before x year/date are generally unreliable" given that there were no staff reviewers at the time? Alduin2000 ( talk) 18:02, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi! I’d like to request someone to put in a deletion nomination for [Safe Rock and Roll Sucks] by Balzac. I couldn’t find any reliable information about this article on the internet. I think nominating an article for deletion is an administrative task only, but if I can do it, then please tell me the process in Layman’s terms. KevinML ( talk) 11:08, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to start a discussion on adding American publication Consumable Online to the list of sources. Scott Williams founded Consumable initially as a print publication in 1993 to cover music in New Jersey and New York, running for two issues. [102] Bob Gajarsky had previously written for his college newspaper and came across the publication in August 1993, and at his suggestion switched from print to online. Williams departed in 1995, leaving Gajarsky as its sole editor. [103] Lang Whitaker became the managing editor from March 1999 until its closing in August 2000. [104] [105] Gajarsky's linkedin states that it was apparently the "Internet's first regular collaborative music reviews publication". It ran for 215 issues, recieving pieces from 30 members of staff around the world. The site was named (per linkedin) "Best of the Net" by The Mining Company, ranked within the "Top 100 Websites" according to Internetsuccess, given 4/4 stars by NetGuide, which calls the site the "no-frills alternative music authority", and has the "Internet Guide Award" from Britannica.com. [106]
Gajarsky worked with major label "publicity departments to educate about ways they could better utilize the Internet for music" (per linkedin). In the early days of the site, he wrote a music guide to Greenwich Village for Columbia.edu [107] and wrote some articles for Baseball Prospectus. Alongside this, he claims to have written liner notes for music releases, but I couldn't dig up anything in that regard. The site was hosted by WestNet Internet Services, based in Westchester county, New York. Some reviews were reprinted on artists' websites, such as a Meat Loaf Best Of on Jim Steinman's official website [108] and Spiders by Space on their website. [109] The website has been used as a source in two books, and was given a blurb in the book Net Music. Past issues of the site were available through Delphi at one point. [110] The following writing credentials, except where noted, are referenced here:
Thoughts? MusicforthePeople ( talk) 21:28, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm doing a GA review of Won (As Friends Rust album), and this review is used as a source. WP:A/S says to use staff reviews only; does the "staff pick" tag imply a staff review? Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 21:41, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
While editing the article for Demi Lovato's recent album Holy Fvck, I made an edit to indicate that two of the listed producers are actually credited as co-producers (see Tidal listing). That information came from Tidal, which regularly lists people credited as co-producers and additional producers in the primary "Producer" section.
Fellow editor Lil-unique1 disagreed with my reading of this information, and the reasoning they provided was very fair (see here. However, I find it very, very highly unlikely that any individual would be credited as both a co-producer and a producer for an album. Whenever I have added personnel or track listing sections in the past, I've always based the production credit on the "lesser" of the two. If they are credited as a producer and an additional producer, that seems like a clear indication that they are only credited as an additional producer.
The alternative to that reading would be to credit all of these individuals as both producer and co/additional producer, which is not an ideal solution in my opinion. I think this is something that would benefit from a widespread consensus that can be added to
WP:PERSONNEL. That way, we can figure out how to handle these kinds of situations in the future.
Sock
(tock talk) 19:58, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
So earlier today I saw this article about an album released by the record label Fader Label. What immediately struck me is that the article is from the publication The Fader, and for those who haven't already guessed it, yes the two are connected. Both were founded by the same guys and are part of the same media organisation ("It is owned by The Fader Media group, which also includes its website, thefader.com, as well as Fader films, Fader Label and Fader TV" from The Fader). And given past discussions such as Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 65#Uproxx and HipHopDX concerning these record label/publication corporate relationships leading to potential conflicts of interest, I figured I should point this one out as well. Is anyone aware of any reason why this wouldn't be a CoI? QuietHere ( talk) 02:27, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Drawing attention to the move request at Talk:Outside (David Bowie album)#Requested move 2 September 2022 (proposed move to 1. Outside), which could have ramifications in other places across the project. Cf WP:NATURAL. U-Mos ( talk) 23:09, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi there! I have opened a peer review for Missundaztood, article that had already passed a GA review and received a CE, in hopes to take it to FAC. The review has been open for some time, but with no comments. So I'm asking here if anyone would be willing to take a look and give their feedback on the article. I'd be very grateful. – TabooMatters94 ( talk) 12:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Woman I've Become (EP)#Requested move 5 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:22, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Songs I Wrote with Amy until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.
QuietHere ( talk) 23:13, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Hey all. I got this Forbes article here that was written by a contributor (not staff) so that would mean it's unreliable per WP:NOTRSMUSIC. However, on the contributor's page, David Chui states he has written for Rolling Stone, The New York Times, Newsweek, Billboard, Pitchfork, Time Out New York, Paste, The Quietus, along others, which are all viewed here as reliable. So would this Forbes article from him be reliable then if he has written for a slew of established publications? Thanks. – zmbro ( talk) ( cont) 19:24, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I have noticed that there were genres that were covered by references sourced from Apple Music or iTunes for that matter. Does that count as a reliable source, or is it user-generated or a primary source? HorrorLover555 ( talk) 15:58, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Is anyone from WP:ALBUM able to determine whether the alternative cover art for the album Shout at the Devil was also the cover art for the single " Shout at the Devil (song)"? A user named Ytzesza keeps trying to add File:ShoutattheDevilCD2.jpg to main infobox about the song, but keeps getting reverted by a bot. The bot's removing of the file is being done because no non-free use rationale is provided for the single's article (see User talk:JJMC89#bot won’t stop removing images for more on that), and this is a fairly simple fix as long as the single's cover art is the same. The song is from 1983, so I'm not sure how to verify that the single actually used that cover art; so, I thought I'd ask about this here at WT:ALBUM. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I've been meaning to start an article for the album PEP by Lights. i have a very basic outline of it on my sandbox (just the section names and an album infobox) but i need some help. can i post it here? or should i create it as a draft? Melodies1917 ( talk) 18:40, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
I should probably know this, but ... if a redirect for an album title simply exists as a redirect to a band article (just a redirect; there was never any prose), can I "adopt" that redirect for an article about a different album? For example, I'm considering an article for Good Company, by Nat Adderley. Good Company exists as a redirect to the band the Dead South.
Similarly, I started an article for Bringin' It All Back Home (Johnny Copeland album); a redirect already existed for the almost-identical Dylan album. I left that, as the Dylan album will attract 1,000X the number of eyes, but wasn't sure if that actually conforms to policy. Thanks. Caro7200 ( talk) 16:00, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Can someone tell me whether Genius's year-end lists are worth including in the tables under Critical reception or Accolades sections? I came across them on a handful of kpop song/album articles and removed them from one page, but would like to be sure before I erroneously start mass-removing. So far, all mentions are sourced directly from either Genius's Kor website or twitter. Also, " Love It If We Made It" has one of the longest Accolades tables I've ever seen on Wikipedia, in addition to also having Genius in its table. I'm pretty sure I recall a recentish discussion that concluded only 10 lists max, or something along those lines, should be in a table. Has that since been walked-back? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 06:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
There's a discussion on what to do with Willow Smith's album Coping Mechanism (album) happening here. Input would be appreciated. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 17:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
I've always been suspicious of this site but haven't bothered to raise those suspicions 'til now since it's mostly been a non-issue, but at this point I think it's better to ask just to clear the air. I'm not the first to say anything (see here) but nothing came of that brief discussion and I haven't seen anything else on the subject. The site is in use on 202 pages currently.
Their articles about album announcements ( e.g.) have always given me the vibe of glorified ad copy. I clicked through a couple dozen reviews only to see "Page not found" every time, and those are links from their own directory which I take as an especially bad sign. The one review I could get access to doesn't list a writer, consists of just a few short paragraphs, and then quickly transitions into more ad copy. One of the paragraphs in the review even starts talking about how you just have to see this band live which has nothing to do with the album and sounds like something I'd love to see written about my band if my record label had paid that website to write about me. Oh, and for a fun added bonus, the band's article cites Rock 'n Load for its album announcement which, and try to be shocked by this one, is another "Page not found".
I've seen no staff page, no bylines, none of the usual signifiers of a reliable source. They present themselves like one in style, but in substance this feels much closer to Shore Fire Media than anything on WP:RSMUSIC. In fact, this feels like a shoo-in for a WP:NOTRSMUSIC listing to me. Thoughts? QuietHere ( talk) 16:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
This editor thinks adding Anthony Fantano is an reliable source ignoring the fact there was four discussions back in 2014, 2017, 2017 (2), and 2021, respectively, regarding this person. Keep in mind that the article is currently being reviewed for good article status. TheAmazingPeanuts ( talk) 17:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
@ PerfectSoundWhatever and TheAmazingPeanuts: I was pinged to provide my opinion on TheNeedleDrop/Fantano's usage in Coin Coin Chapter Three: River Run Thee, since I am currently reviewing the article for GA status. I was unaware of the contentious nature of that source and have not read all of the various discussions by editors about it. What I have read, however, leads me to accept this source's usage for "review only" purposes in this article and to be cited sparingly, at that. I make no determination on the source's validity for other WP articles. I thank both editors for their various opinions above and elsewhere on this matter you are both to be applauded. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 21:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Reminding editors that they need to be following WP:BRD regardless. Stop reverting. Sergecross73 msg me 21:54, 29 September 2022 (UTC)