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I would like to announce that a new task force has been created to re-examine the status of every GA in the project. Many good articles have not been reviewed in quite a while (15+ years for some) and notability requirements have changed quite a bit over the years. The goal of this task force is to save as many articles as possible. Anyone not reviewing an article may jump in to help get it up to par if it does not meet the GA requirements. The process will start officially on February 1 and will continue until every article has been checked and either kept or delisted. The task force may be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather/2024–25 Good Article Reassessment. Noah, AA Talk 15:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recently, from the two discussions (one a few sections above this one and the other on
Talk:Tornadoes of 2024), I have a proposal for the new layout, taking in feedback from those involved in those two discussions.
The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 11:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
(Moved from above for RFC tag. Ignore.) — Since there is two discussions (on two separate talk pages) regarding this topic at the same time, I wanted to make this discussion and ping all users involved: (courtesy pings: @ ChessEric:, United States Man, HamiltonthesixXmusic, TornadoInformation12, DJ Cane, Hurricanehink). The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 11:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
(Moved from above for RFC tag.) — Based on the feedback, two things were clear: The old layout (By Month) is definitely the preferred layout to most editors. However, the reasoning for the layout change to begin with involved fighting U.S.-centeredness in articles, that is where point 2 and 3 come in. In pre-2023 layouts (before any changes), U.S. monthly totals were mentioned as the opening to each month, however, no other countries were mentioned. Also, "(United States)} was never used in pre-2023 layouts as well. To me, this proposal for a layout seems to solve issues brought up in past discussions, while also being the layout the majority of the community wants. Thoughts? Supports? Opposes? The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 06:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 12:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
There were 189 tornadoes reported in the United States in the month of April, all of which were confirmed.Basically, the second part of the third point is to keep those, but expand them to include other countries. Hopefully that makes a little more sense as to what the third point is. Since you were one of the main editors on board for less-U.S. centerness, I am thinking you just misread it, since the third point is an actual “less-U.S. centric” point. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 15:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
clunkyand difficult-to-navigate nature of the current format that have been brought up over the past few months – can someone enlighten me as to what the particular issues here are? — TheAustinMan( Talk ⬩ Edits) 16:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
gaps in the structure and informationin the current format? Consider Tornadoes of 2023 compared to Tornadoes of 2010, for instance; I'm not seeing much of a substantive difference in structural or informational gaps. In fact I would think the current format is better for leaving open the possibility of discussing environmental factors, trends, patterns, and other statistical information, since those are more likely to be geographically rather than temporally organized. — TheAustinMan( Talk ⬩ Edits) 13:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
@ HamiltonthesixXmusic: Read the link that @ Hurricanehink: provided to you as you will find that the consensus is based on the quality of an argument rather than whether it represents a minority or a majority view. Jason Rees ( talk) 12:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
As I am one of the dissenters to the proposal, I want to find a solution to the valid concerns from various editors, seeing as the above discussion seems to have died down without a consensus. Some of the main points of discussion seem to be wanting United States monthly totals. I still don't see anything wrong with that personally, just that I'd rather see that a yearly level listed as a table, and maybe even a breakdown by each category. In the interest of fairness around the world, we have the same tables for each country, where we have the total. It seems that the information organization is the main concern, and I want to acknowledge that without doing a complete reversal to listing all events by month. By keeping it in the format where it is organized by continent, we still have the geographic consistency, while still making sure the article isn't clunky. ♫
Hurricanehink (
talk)
20:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
died down without a consensus." The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 21:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
OK, I'm striking the proposal. I don't want to hold this up and push my views any further on this matter. There's more important fish to fry. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 17:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Hey just letting folks know I left comment with a tentative proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Tornadoes of YYYY criteria but it hasn't gotten any response yet. TornadoLGS ( talk) 01:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Editors_removing_formatted_citations_for_bare_URL_citations, 30 comments, 8 people in discussion atm, has mentioned issues with WP:EL and MOS:CURRENT in the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season article. For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 18:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Following the abovementioned ANI discussion, Template:Infobox weather event/Current, Template:Infobox weather event/live, Template:HurricaneWarningsTable, Template:IMDWarningsTable, and Template:TyphoonWarningsTable have been nominated for deletion, citing concerns with MOS:CURRENT and WP:NOTNEWS. Editors are invited to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 19#Tropical cyclone current storm templates. ~ KN2731 { talk · contribs} 05:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
There have apparently been quite a few flood articles kinda falling through the cracks (such as the 2022 Eastern Kentucky flood only being included in a blanket “United States Flood” article, in part because of the century-scale lists of United States flood articles; and the supposedly ”complete” notable flood lists. And I think a very plausible solution to this problem of incompleteness would be to start doing lists of floods by year (eg. “Floods of 2024”), similar to what is currently done with tornado and tropical cyclone lists, we could (as Hurricanehink suggested) also do regional scale lists (like “List of floods in the United States in 2024”). Any input on this would be appreciated. West Virginia WXeditor ( talk) 02:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Recently, there has been several discussions regarding the list of possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornadoes over on the list of F5 and EF5 tornadoes article. I have now started/begin a large sub-page of the WikiProject specifically designed to solve all the problems and concerns with the list. It involves community consensus and discussions.
Discussions Page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornadoes. I recommend bookmarking the page in some fashion. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
The Tornado outbreak sequence of May 19–27, 2024, an article pretaining to this WikiProject has been nominated for deletion. You can participate in the deletion discussion here. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 03:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
I think one of the best ways of organizing the information is having the yearly weather articles. We have tropical cyclones by year going back to 1991, and tornadoes by year going back to 1946. Yearly weather articles go back to 2000, but the information is out there for plenty of events of the 20th century. Therefore, I think we need a task force dedicated to the yearly weather articles, which includes the yearly articles for various types of weather. Of note, there is also a discussion above, regarding yearly flood articles, and in the past, I have proposed yearly heat wave articles. I believe there needs to be more of a coordinated effort to cover other important weather events that are happening whether we write about it or not. I'd just like to get a better handle on it. So if you'd like to join, that's the task force we've made. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 15:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
The National Weather Service has had a product out called “HeatRisk”, for a few years now in the western United States. Some offices such as in Phoenix, even base their heat headline criteria off of it now. And recently (this year), they expanded the HeatRisk to cover the entire continental U.S., should there be an article about it or at least a mention on Severe weather terminology (United States)? West Virginia WXeditor ( talk) 22:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
So I did start a thread on one of the village pump page to get a discussion going on how we should handle information about current storms. That was two days ago and nobody responded. I had not notified this Wikiproject because I wanted to be sure I had chosen the right venue before letting in the flood of project editors, and the whole idea of not having the discussion here was to get more input from non-project editors. But it looks like we're going to have Beryl soon and concerned we're going to have edit wars if we don't have something conclusive. Note that I am not asking to have the discussion here. I'm just trying to figure out where to have the discussion. I might ask at the help desk even though that's mostly for newbie questions. TornadoLGS ( talk) 01:26, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
I have posted a discussion at Village Pump (Policy) as a followup to the ANI thread on how to handle information on current tropical cyclones. It can be found at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Wikiproject procedures for WP:NOTNEWS in reference to active storms. TornadoLGS ( talk) 23:21, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
This addition of a climate description and chart is the kind of thing that pops up fairly often. (It's interesting to me that it's often IP editors who do these.) I tend to leave them there but this stuff does unbalance an article visually when suddenly the article doubles in size due to the addition. I found a way to collapse the box, so it's not as bad, but is this giving undue weight to climate info in a short article? Note: While I was writing this I see that the state was wrong in one place and the city name in another. Not sure NOAA would have the vegetation info either. So I ended up removing the addition which is likely a copy-paste job, but my question in general still stands. Please ask me clarifying questions if you're not sure what I mean. I know I am misusing the term "undue". Thanks, Valfontis ( talk) 22:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion regarding whether File:Charlescityiatornadoaftermath2.jpg (currently in use on 1968 Hansell-Charles City tornado) is allowed on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. As this image related to this WikiProject, I am providing a notification. You can participate in the discussion here. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 04:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Maybe I’m a bit looney, but the forecast region article which supposedly deals with both the United States and Canada; is only citing sources from the Canadian government. See my little rant on that talk page for more details. But the reason why I brought it up here is because my entry is the first one ever placed on that talk page (and it’s been up for eight years), and no one has even bothered to edit the article itself in two years, so I thought I would post it here too so that it would draw attention to that article. West Virginia WXeditor ( talk) 04:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
There is ongoing discussions on the Commons regarding the usage of the Public Domain NWS Template. I.e. any non-NWS-made images pre 2009 are not public domain. This affects several articles regarding this WikiProject. One Commons user said possibly 150+ images may be affected, famous images including the 1974 Xenia tornado photograph and 1997 Jarrell tornado photographs. The current discussion regarding this can be viewed on this deletion request here, however, given this potentially affects several images, it may be moved to a noticeboard. If you wish to participate or monitor the discussion, please do so. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 04:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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I would like to announce that a new task force has been created to re-examine the status of every GA in the project. Many good articles have not been reviewed in quite a while (15+ years for some) and notability requirements have changed quite a bit over the years. The goal of this task force is to save as many articles as possible. Anyone not reviewing an article may jump in to help get it up to par if it does not meet the GA requirements. The process will start officially on February 1 and will continue until every article has been checked and either kept or delisted. The task force may be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather/2024–25 Good Article Reassessment. Noah, AA Talk 15:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recently, from the two discussions (one a few sections above this one and the other on
Talk:Tornadoes of 2024), I have a proposal for the new layout, taking in feedback from those involved in those two discussions.
The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 11:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
(Moved from above for RFC tag. Ignore.) — Since there is two discussions (on two separate talk pages) regarding this topic at the same time, I wanted to make this discussion and ping all users involved: (courtesy pings: @ ChessEric:, United States Man, HamiltonthesixXmusic, TornadoInformation12, DJ Cane, Hurricanehink). The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 11:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
(Moved from above for RFC tag.) — Based on the feedback, two things were clear: The old layout (By Month) is definitely the preferred layout to most editors. However, the reasoning for the layout change to begin with involved fighting U.S.-centeredness in articles, that is where point 2 and 3 come in. In pre-2023 layouts (before any changes), U.S. monthly totals were mentioned as the opening to each month, however, no other countries were mentioned. Also, "(United States)} was never used in pre-2023 layouts as well. To me, this proposal for a layout seems to solve issues brought up in past discussions, while also being the layout the majority of the community wants. Thoughts? Supports? Opposes? The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 06:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 12:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
There were 189 tornadoes reported in the United States in the month of April, all of which were confirmed.Basically, the second part of the third point is to keep those, but expand them to include other countries. Hopefully that makes a little more sense as to what the third point is. Since you were one of the main editors on board for less-U.S. centerness, I am thinking you just misread it, since the third point is an actual “less-U.S. centric” point. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 15:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
clunkyand difficult-to-navigate nature of the current format that have been brought up over the past few months – can someone enlighten me as to what the particular issues here are? — TheAustinMan( Talk ⬩ Edits) 16:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
gaps in the structure and informationin the current format? Consider Tornadoes of 2023 compared to Tornadoes of 2010, for instance; I'm not seeing much of a substantive difference in structural or informational gaps. In fact I would think the current format is better for leaving open the possibility of discussing environmental factors, trends, patterns, and other statistical information, since those are more likely to be geographically rather than temporally organized. — TheAustinMan( Talk ⬩ Edits) 13:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
@ HamiltonthesixXmusic: Read the link that @ Hurricanehink: provided to you as you will find that the consensus is based on the quality of an argument rather than whether it represents a minority or a majority view. Jason Rees ( talk) 12:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
As I am one of the dissenters to the proposal, I want to find a solution to the valid concerns from various editors, seeing as the above discussion seems to have died down without a consensus. Some of the main points of discussion seem to be wanting United States monthly totals. I still don't see anything wrong with that personally, just that I'd rather see that a yearly level listed as a table, and maybe even a breakdown by each category. In the interest of fairness around the world, we have the same tables for each country, where we have the total. It seems that the information organization is the main concern, and I want to acknowledge that without doing a complete reversal to listing all events by month. By keeping it in the format where it is organized by continent, we still have the geographic consistency, while still making sure the article isn't clunky. ♫
Hurricanehink (
talk)
20:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
died down without a consensus." The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 21:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
OK, I'm striking the proposal. I don't want to hold this up and push my views any further on this matter. There's more important fish to fry. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 17:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Hey just letting folks know I left comment with a tentative proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Tornadoes of YYYY criteria but it hasn't gotten any response yet. TornadoLGS ( talk) 01:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Editors_removing_formatted_citations_for_bare_URL_citations, 30 comments, 8 people in discussion atm, has mentioned issues with WP:EL and MOS:CURRENT in the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season article. For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 18:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Following the abovementioned ANI discussion, Template:Infobox weather event/Current, Template:Infobox weather event/live, Template:HurricaneWarningsTable, Template:IMDWarningsTable, and Template:TyphoonWarningsTable have been nominated for deletion, citing concerns with MOS:CURRENT and WP:NOTNEWS. Editors are invited to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 19#Tropical cyclone current storm templates. ~ KN2731 { talk · contribs} 05:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
There have apparently been quite a few flood articles kinda falling through the cracks (such as the 2022 Eastern Kentucky flood only being included in a blanket “United States Flood” article, in part because of the century-scale lists of United States flood articles; and the supposedly ”complete” notable flood lists. And I think a very plausible solution to this problem of incompleteness would be to start doing lists of floods by year (eg. “Floods of 2024”), similar to what is currently done with tornado and tropical cyclone lists, we could (as Hurricanehink suggested) also do regional scale lists (like “List of floods in the United States in 2024”). Any input on this would be appreciated. West Virginia WXeditor ( talk) 02:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Recently, there has been several discussions regarding the list of possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornadoes over on the list of F5 and EF5 tornadoes article. I have now started/begin a large sub-page of the WikiProject specifically designed to solve all the problems and concerns with the list. It involves community consensus and discussions.
Discussions Page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornadoes. I recommend bookmarking the page in some fashion. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
The Tornado outbreak sequence of May 19–27, 2024, an article pretaining to this WikiProject has been nominated for deletion. You can participate in the deletion discussion here. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 03:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
I think one of the best ways of organizing the information is having the yearly weather articles. We have tropical cyclones by year going back to 1991, and tornadoes by year going back to 1946. Yearly weather articles go back to 2000, but the information is out there for plenty of events of the 20th century. Therefore, I think we need a task force dedicated to the yearly weather articles, which includes the yearly articles for various types of weather. Of note, there is also a discussion above, regarding yearly flood articles, and in the past, I have proposed yearly heat wave articles. I believe there needs to be more of a coordinated effort to cover other important weather events that are happening whether we write about it or not. I'd just like to get a better handle on it. So if you'd like to join, that's the task force we've made. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 15:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
The National Weather Service has had a product out called “HeatRisk”, for a few years now in the western United States. Some offices such as in Phoenix, even base their heat headline criteria off of it now. And recently (this year), they expanded the HeatRisk to cover the entire continental U.S., should there be an article about it or at least a mention on Severe weather terminology (United States)? West Virginia WXeditor ( talk) 22:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
So I did start a thread on one of the village pump page to get a discussion going on how we should handle information about current storms. That was two days ago and nobody responded. I had not notified this Wikiproject because I wanted to be sure I had chosen the right venue before letting in the flood of project editors, and the whole idea of not having the discussion here was to get more input from non-project editors. But it looks like we're going to have Beryl soon and concerned we're going to have edit wars if we don't have something conclusive. Note that I am not asking to have the discussion here. I'm just trying to figure out where to have the discussion. I might ask at the help desk even though that's mostly for newbie questions. TornadoLGS ( talk) 01:26, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
I have posted a discussion at Village Pump (Policy) as a followup to the ANI thread on how to handle information on current tropical cyclones. It can be found at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Wikiproject procedures for WP:NOTNEWS in reference to active storms. TornadoLGS ( talk) 23:21, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
This addition of a climate description and chart is the kind of thing that pops up fairly often. (It's interesting to me that it's often IP editors who do these.) I tend to leave them there but this stuff does unbalance an article visually when suddenly the article doubles in size due to the addition. I found a way to collapse the box, so it's not as bad, but is this giving undue weight to climate info in a short article? Note: While I was writing this I see that the state was wrong in one place and the city name in another. Not sure NOAA would have the vegetation info either. So I ended up removing the addition which is likely a copy-paste job, but my question in general still stands. Please ask me clarifying questions if you're not sure what I mean. I know I am misusing the term "undue". Thanks, Valfontis ( talk) 22:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
There is an ongoing discussion regarding whether File:Charlescityiatornadoaftermath2.jpg (currently in use on 1968 Hansell-Charles City tornado) is allowed on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. As this image related to this WikiProject, I am providing a notification. You can participate in the discussion here. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 04:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Maybe I’m a bit looney, but the forecast region article which supposedly deals with both the United States and Canada; is only citing sources from the Canadian government. See my little rant on that talk page for more details. But the reason why I brought it up here is because my entry is the first one ever placed on that talk page (and it’s been up for eight years), and no one has even bothered to edit the article itself in two years, so I thought I would post it here too so that it would draw attention to that article. West Virginia WXeditor ( talk) 04:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
There is ongoing discussions on the Commons regarding the usage of the Public Domain NWS Template. I.e. any non-NWS-made images pre 2009 are not public domain. This affects several articles regarding this WikiProject. One Commons user said possibly 150+ images may be affected, famous images including the 1974 Xenia tornado photograph and 1997 Jarrell tornado photographs. The current discussion regarding this can be viewed on this deletion request here, however, given this potentially affects several images, it may be moved to a noticeboard. If you wish to participate or monitor the discussion, please do so. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 04:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)