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As part of figuring out whether there was a princely state of "Singrauli" (different from the modern district and city), I found quite a few edits from blocked account User:Uchiha Baba and his sockpuppets, that are probably not accurate; although interesting to research, I'm getting out of my depth.
The facts of which I'm confident are that Veena Singh, daughter of Arjun Singh (Madhya Pradesh politician), married a Bhuwaneshwar Prasad Singh, and they have a son Aishwarya Singh who married Devyani Rana of Nepal. At some point they converted a residence of theirs into the Singrauli Palace Heritage Hotel. The part that is dubious is B.P. Singh's background - although his (election?) disclosures show a number of assets in the Singrauli area, there doesn't seem to be any independent source that he or his ancestors were rulers of anything at all. When you dig down around the net, the material is either derivatives of the altered Wikipedia articles, the forged maps uploaded to commons, unreliable genealogy sites, or vague claims on the hotel's website. On the other hand, some of the images floating around the net can also be seen at the hotel's website, when you zoom in on interior photos of the hotel. So I'd like to ask people to dig down on the blocked person's edits and revert anything that can be determined to be bogus. Thanks! Stan ( talk) 15:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Bellenoit teaches at the Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD. I had no idea that the USNA, where I've spent some time, had faculty with such varied interests! Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC)These extant officers could sometimes more forcefully assist the Company in ensuring payment of revenue. Udai Lal, the Kayastha qanungo of Singrauli, worked with a powerful Zamindar, Raja Adil Shah, to get the malguzars to enter qabooliyats (revenue agreements) with the Company in the late 1780s. These malguzars refused to recognize British authority, but ultimately yielded (and paid) after Lal suggested to the British Collector: ‘if you despatch a company of sepoys and a gun to punish the aforesaid rebels, the Government money will be realised’.100 Lowly masters of paper, who rarely graced the Mughal court, let alone the presence of either Cornwallis or Wellesley, were quickly becoming vital links between British power and Hindustan’s agrarian wealth. The qanungo could sometimes exercise subtle, razor like bureaucratic power. The Raja of Benares, Bulwant Singh, went as far as to destroy the qanungos’ records that contravened his claims to khas lands10
A qanungo was a registrar of Company_rule_in_India#Revenue_collection. This suggests that Singrauli was a part of British India, not a princely state in which the East India Company could not have collected land tax, and it was therefore a zamindari estate, not a princely state. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)A قانون qānūn (P. also qānūn; akin to Gr. κανὼν), s.m. A canon, rule, regulation, law, legislative act, statute, ordinance; — a species of dulcimer or harp: — qānūn-dān, s.m. One who is versed or learned in the law, a lawyer, jurist: — qānūn-dānī, s.f. Knowledge of the law; — jurisprudence: — qānūn-ě-dīwānī, s.m. Civil law: — qānūn-ě-faujdārī, s.m. Criminal law: — qānūn-go, s.m. An officer in each district, acquainted with its customs, the nature of the tenure of the lands, &c.; registrar of a pargana, or the hereditary registrar of landed property in a pargana; a superintendent of village accountants: — qānūn-goʼī, s.f. The office of a qanūn-go.
It has quite a bit more, some 57 mentions of Singrauli I'm seeing, which I will look at later, but it does have the crucial denial of independent rulership above. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:49, 30 May 2022 (UTC)Not surprisingly British rule was tenuous, if not non-existent. The Magistrate of Mirzapur, writing to the Commissioner of the Banaras Division as late as 1838, stated that the region remained 'little known to the Police and wholly so to myself or any European officer'.10 He also believed, incorrectly, that the Raja of Singrauli was an independent ruler whose domains fell outside British administered territory. Up to this date officials were unclear as to how far their authority extended southward from the Son and under whose jurisdiction this land should fall. Even jurisdiction over the Dudhi pargana located to the north of the Son river had been disputed between officials of the Banaras Division and those in Bihar.11 In the following decades little had changed. Up to the 1850s British rule over Singrauli had been signified by the presence of a single burkundaze (policeman).1
So, at least there are all nearby. Now I will examine a map of Rewa. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
It will be easier for me to just start a new WP page Singrauli estate or Singrauli estates, which I will do in the coming days and clear this confusion. Here is some more from Downs:
By the late eighteenth century the Singrauli Raj consisted of two parts: Singrauli proper in Mirzapur, the Singrauli Rajas paying a nominal sum as tribute to the original Rajput overlords; the other far more lucrative possession was the 700 villages of Nisf Singrauli in Rewah, the Rajas being tributaries of the Raja of Burhi.44 In the 1780s the Raja of Singrauli resisted by force the overlordship of the Raja of Agori-Burhur who had been granted Singrauli as a jagir by Warren Hastings.. .... In Nisf Singrauli the Singrauli Rajas had been less successful in consolidating their monopoly over landownership. Just before his death in 1817 the Burhi Raja had adopted the Maharaja of Rewah as his legal heir. The latter allowed the Raja of Singrauli to remain in possession of his land subject to a nominal yearly payment of tribute. But in 1841 the level of tribute demanded had been increased to one-quarter of the estimated profits of the state, or Rs 6,125. In 1856 Raghuraj Singh, the Maharaja of Rewah again raised the amount demanded to Rs 8,500.50 While the Singrauli Rajas had consolidated their control over their own estates, to the east of Singrauli they sought to incorporate the fertile pargana of Dudhi into their Raj. Territorial expansion into this area had been facilitated by British ignorance of local conditions in Mirzapur during the early part of the century.
I have to run now but will create a new page in the next couple of days. Thanks for asking! This business would never have cleared up otherwise. There is the precolonial and colonial confusion and there is the postcolonial boosterism, between those two real history lives very narrowly. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
The portion of Singrauli lying in the Rewah State is now held by the Raja as a muamladar.(Well, muamla, which is really mu'amala or معاملہ is the Persian/Urdu word for "matter" or "business" a mu'amaladan would be a businessman, but a mu'amaladar I'm not sure (is it as an investor, or an investment?) or is this a special kind of revenue overlord and subtracter, an absentee landlord, perhps, as the real Singrauli was 130 km for these 700 villages in Rewah state. I can't figure out yet. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
The article
First Anglo-Maratha War has been disrupted numerous times where some claim it to be Maratha victory whereas other claim it to be stalemate with no victors or losers which ended with Treaty of Salbai. After going through citations on the article, I found the quotes included in the citation templates were incorrect information about the conclusion of the war. They were rather mis-represented. Below are the exact quotes from the citations about the conclusion of the war that I have posted after thoroughly going through citations. I believe according to these reliable sources, the result of the battle cannot have any victors and should rather conclude with "Treaty of Salbai". Now if there are sources that dispute with below citations, then undeniably the result should be considered "Disputed". Can you all please provide your opinion whether you agree that the result should conclude with just "Treaty of Salbai"? Or if you have any further suggestion?
According to reliable citations, the battle resulted with treaty of Salbai. Here are some quotes from reliable sources: From Richard Ernest Dupuy, Gay M. Hammerman, Grace P. Hayes (1977). The American Revolution: A Global War. David McKay Company, Incorporated. p. 247. "Hastings promptly repudiated the Treaty of Wadgaon and sent troops from Calcutta all the way across central India to strengthen the Bombay forces. One by one they captured Maratha cities. In May 1782 a new treaty was signed with the Marathas, the Treaty of Salbai. Although it merely restored the status quo ante bellum, this treaty gave the British twenty years of peace with the Marathas and permitted them to concentrate their efforts against the French and the forces of Mysore."
And James C. Bradford. International Encyclopedia of Military History. Routledge. p. 867. quotes, "The company renounced the first draft of the treaty of Wadgaon, fighting on until 1782, and, despite its capture of the fortress of Gwalior (1780), the only concession that the British could win was the cession of Salsette Island , which improved the security of Bombay."
M S Narvane in book "Battles of the Honourable East India Company: Making of the Raj", page 63 quotes that "Mudhoji was known to have taken bribe from Hastings and would not join a war. Mahadji, himself was anxious that his forces were not divided and separated, which war both in Malwa and in the Deccan would have entailed. Moreover, both Mahadji and Nana faced acute financial distress. Under these circumstances, peace at the most favorable terms was the only course left open. After prolonged negotiations a treaty was signed between Mahadji and Anderson on 17th May, 1782. It was known as the Treaty of Salbai, after a small village of the same name where Mahadji was in camp."
M. S. Narvane further quotes that, "The main clauses of the treaty were as follows: All territories captured by the Company would be returned, including Bassein but excluding Salsette and some small islands near Bombay. These would remain with the British. Territories in Gujarat would be returned to the Peshwa and Gaikwad, Bhadoch being given to Mahadji for services rendered. Raghoba was to be handed over to the Marathas. He would spend the remainder of his life at a secluded spot in Maharashtra on a pension of Rs. 25,000 per month. Thus ended the First Anglo-Maratha war. Politically the Company was a slight gainer. They retained Salsette whereas the Marathas got back only what they had lost earlier. The main gain from the Maratha point of view was the elimination of the threat posed by Raghoba."
Raghoba is Raghunath Rao.
I would also like to add that there are two sources on the article that are unreliable, by Y.G. Bhave and Barbara West, where the earlier is scholar in Humanist and the latter in Anthropology. Neither are historians.
MehmoodS (
talk) 20:23, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Please take a look at Talk:Rameshbabu_Praggnanandhaa#Requested_move_21_May_2022 Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:59, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
It is to notify about the recent addition of caste POV and badly written content in the Kamboj article. These edits might be coming from a sock puppeteer since most of their edits are restricted to this topic area [1] [2] [3] [4]. Requesting project members and admins to have a look at this. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 18:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
There is article named Ballabhgarh State other than Ballabhgarh town page. The first suggests in the lead that it was a princely state but here - [1] on page 161-162, it is written jagir and estate after Ballabhgarh. Request for inputs ? Akalanka820 ( talk) 13:18, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Akalanka820 ( talk) 13:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC)Several of the minor and the greater part of the principal offenders in the Chhalera case had sought asylum across the Yamuna in one of these territories, the jagir of the Ballab garh raja, a Jat of the Tevatiya got, or clan.
Akalanka820 ( talk) 13:42, 11 June 2022 (UTC)But the Bulandshahr joint-magistrate, as observed, now had cavalry at his disposal, which was of great help on that part of the Ballabgarh estate which was level ground.
References
Is he "killed" or "martyred" ? — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 11:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
(unrelated to the above one) For example, see this edit - all of these are additions by @ Gardenkur. As @ Toddy1 put it in his revert, these are general functionalities of a municipal corporation [in India], not necessarily what a specific corporation does. The references are also general references and not to a specific corporation. If this text is not a copyvio from somewhere else, should this text be okay in all these articles, or be moved to Municipal corporation (India) ? — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 12:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi DaxServer. Hope you are keeping fine. The edits are done in all articles of Municipal Corporations to get consistency and uniformity in the articles. The functions of Municipal corporations is to develop a town with more than 1 million people. Let me know if I am wrong. Thanks. Gardenkur ( talk) 12:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Venkat TL. Nice to see your inputs. However, I feel for informational purpose each article should have its own notability. Public members will not see referenced article and collect information. There are also comments in some articles of not having sufficient references or they miss important information. My effort is only to get uniformity in similar articles. If iam wrong please correct. Thanks. Gardenkur ( talk) 13:31, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Venkat TL. Thanks for your prompt response. Going by your suggestion did you mean I will add section as Functions in each article and link it to main Municipal Corporation for defining the same. However as you refered, an individual is different from entity. The entities are governed by state level Municipal Corporations Act which are generally same, except their official details vary which is more important for general public. Hope Iam clear. Gardenkur ( talk) 13:58, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Venkat TL. Thanks again. There are no unique functions from state to state. The functions are uniform and similar. But will do as you suggested. As Wikipedia editor, I was doing on the interest of general public as per its policies. I was also observing the remarks for each article. Gardenkur ( talk) 14:17, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Not all the functions mentioned in the schedule are obligatory for civic bodies across the country as different states have enacted legislations to delegate functions across various departments.[6] So what is stated for functions for each municipal corporation needs to be back by citations that actually mention that that municipal corporation does those functions.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:01, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Toddy1. Thanks for pointing the statements. However, as I read it, each place has its Municipal Corporation and Development authorities created to improve infrastructure of the town. Inserted references gives the functions which are uniform across states. Hope Iam clear. Please let me know if it needs elaboration. Thanks again. Gardenkur ( talk) 16:08, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Venkat TL. If I want to add Functions in this article,can you suggest how to add as per your inputs. Thanks. Gardenkur ( talk) 11:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Venkat TL. Thanks and will update the functions likewise in all articles where that part is missing. However, to have information on the same will need reading of all states Municipal Acts which I dont think relevant now. Gardenkur ( talk) 11:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
More specifically does the officially approved text about the functions of a parliamentary committee (a state assembly) in this case as published on assembly official nic.in website comes under copyrighted text or Government of India Open Data license or Public Domain? I believe it is free, as they are published as government gazette for public use. Please guide. Venkat TL ( talk) 07:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
English Wikipedia follows only U.S. copyright law, and the U.S. does not recognize copyright on edicts of government, even those issued by foreign governments. So the text of any law is fair game. Random text from a government website, not so much. Toohool ( talk) 19:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
I have asked @ TheAnonymousWikiEditor to undo their mass edits. Someone will have to undo all of these. Venkat TL ( talk) 07:17, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian politics § Proposal : Wikipedia:Naming conventions Indian constituencies. Venkat TL ( talk) 16:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
The newspaper-archive was digitized under the Endangered Archives Programme of British Library and is available here. I wish to know if there is any way to search by a text-string as possible in Newspapers.com etc.? TrangaBellam ( talk) 06:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
The Wikipedia page is also in crisis, Some more eyes on the article and talk page will help improve the article. Venkat TL ( talk) 08:03, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Many apologies, because of various distractions, I was not able to finish what I had set out to do on the Singrauli Estate. I am reposting the talk page thread, so I can make the necessary changes in full and open light. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 02:26, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
As part of figuring out whether there was a princely state of "Singrauli" (different from the modern district and city), I found quite a few edits from blocked account User:Uchiha Baba and his sockpuppets, that are probably not accurate; although interesting to research, I'm getting out of my depth.
The facts of which I'm confident are that Veena Singh, daughter of Arjun Singh (Madhya Pradesh politician), married a Bhuwaneshwar Prasad Singh, and they have a son Aishwarya Singh who married Devyani Rana of Nepal. At some point they converted a residence of theirs into the Singrauli Palace Heritage Hotel. The part that is dubious is B.P. Singh's background - although his (election?) disclosures show a number of assets in the Singrauli area, there doesn't seem to be any independent source that he or his ancestors were rulers of anything at all. When you dig down around the net, the material is either derivatives of the altered Wikipedia articles, the forged maps uploaded to commons, unreliable genealogy sites, or vague claims on the hotel's website. On the other hand, some of the images floating around the net can also be seen at the hotel's website, when you zoom in on interior photos of the hotel. So I'd like to ask people to dig down on the blocked person's edits and revert anything that can be determined to be bogus. Thanks! Stan ( talk) 15:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Bellenoit teaches at the Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD. I had no idea that the USNA, where I've spent some time, had faculty with such varied interests! Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC)These extant officers could sometimes more forcefully assist the Company in ensuring payment of revenue. Udai Lal, the Kayastha qanungo of Singrauli, worked with a powerful Zamindar, Raja Adil Shah, to get the malguzars to enter qabooliyats (revenue agreements) with the Company in the late 1780s. These malguzars refused to recognize British authority, but ultimately yielded (and paid) after Lal suggested to the British Collector: ‘if you despatch a company of sepoys and a gun to punish the aforesaid rebels, the Government money will be realised’.100 Lowly masters of paper, who rarely graced the Mughal court, let alone the presence of either Cornwallis or Wellesley, were quickly becoming vital links between British power and Hindustan’s agrarian wealth. The qanungo could sometimes exercise subtle, razor like bureaucratic power. The Raja of Benares, Bulwant Singh, went as far as to destroy the qanungos’ records that contravened his claims to khas lands10
A qanungo was a registrar of Company_rule_in_India#Revenue_collection. This suggests that Singrauli was a part of British India, not a princely state in which the East India Company could not have collected land tax, and it was therefore a zamindari estate, not a princely state. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)A قانون qānūn (P. also qānūn; akin to Gr. κανὼν), s.m. A canon, rule, regulation, law, legislative act, statute, ordinance; — a species of dulcimer or harp: — qānūn-dān, s.m. One who is versed or learned in the law, a lawyer, jurist: — qānūn-dānī, s.f. Knowledge of the law; — jurisprudence: — qānūn-ě-dīwānī, s.m. Civil law: — qānūn-ě-faujdārī, s.m. Criminal law: — qānūn-go, s.m. An officer in each district, acquainted with its customs, the nature of the tenure of the lands, &c.; registrar of a pargana, or the hereditary registrar of landed property in a pargana; a superintendent of village accountants: — qānūn-goʼī, s.f. The office of a qanūn-go.
It has quite a bit more, some 57 mentions of Singrauli I'm seeing, which I will look at later, but it does have the crucial denial of independent rulership above. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:49, 30 May 2022 (UTC)Not surprisingly British rule was tenuous, if not non-existent. The Magistrate of Mirzapur, writing to the Commissioner of the Banaras Division as late as 1838, stated that the region remained 'little known to the Police and wholly so to myself or any European officer'.10 He also believed, incorrectly, that the Raja of Singrauli was an independent ruler whose domains fell outside British administered territory. Up to this date officials were unclear as to how far their authority extended southward from the Son and under whose jurisdiction this land should fall. Even jurisdiction over the Dudhi pargana located to the north of the Son river had been disputed between officials of the Banaras Division and those in Bihar.11 In the following decades little had changed. Up to the 1850s British rule over Singrauli had been signified by the presence of a single burkundaze (policeman).1
So, at least there are all nearby. Now I will examine a map of Rewa. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
It will be easier for me to just start a new WP page Singrauli estate or Singrauli estates, which I will do in the coming days and clear this confusion. Here is some more from Downs:
By the late eighteenth century the Singrauli Raj consisted of two parts: Singrauli proper in Mirzapur, the Singrauli Rajas paying a nominal sum as tribute to the original Rajput overlords; the other far more lucrative possession was the 700 villages of Nisf Singrauli in Rewah, the Rajas being tributaries of the Raja of Burhi.44 In the 1780s the Raja of Singrauli resisted by force the overlordship of the Raja of Agori-Burhur who had been granted Singrauli as a jagir by Warren Hastings.. .... In Nisf Singrauli the Singrauli Rajas had been less successful in consolidating their monopoly over landownership. Just before his death in 1817 the Burhi Raja had adopted the Maharaja of Rewah as his legal heir. The latter allowed the Raja of Singrauli to remain in possession of his land subject to a nominal yearly payment of tribute. But in 1841 the level of tribute demanded had been increased to one-quarter of the estimated profits of the state, or Rs 6,125. In 1856 Raghuraj Singh, the Maharaja of Rewah again raised the amount demanded to Rs 8,500.50 While the Singrauli Rajas had consolidated their control over their own estates, to the east of Singrauli they sought to incorporate the fertile pargana of Dudhi into their Raj. Territorial expansion into this area had been facilitated by British ignorance of local conditions in Mirzapur during the early part of the century.
I have to run now but will create a new page in the next couple of days. Thanks for asking! This business would never have cleared up otherwise. There is the precolonial and colonial confusion and there is the postcolonial boosterism, between those two real history lives very narrowly. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
The portion of Singrauli lying in the Rewah State is now held by the Raja as a muamladar.(Well, muamla, which is really mu'amala or معاملہ is the Persian/Urdu word for "matter" or "business" a mu'amaladan would be a businessman, but a mu'amaladar I'm not sure (is it as an investor, or an investment?) or is this a special kind of revenue overlord and subtracter, an absentee landlord, perhps, as the real Singrauli was 130 km for these 700 villages in Rewah state. I can't figure out yet. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian politics § Proposal : Wikipedia:Naming conventions Indian constituencies. -- Venkat TL ( talk) 13:18, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § Improper acceptance of a new proposal as policy. —usernamekiran (talk) 06:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Project members may wish to comment at this discussion. 4meter4 ( talk) 02:15, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
There is a move request at
Talk:Aurangabad (Aurangabad to Sambhajinagagar) not showing up at
Wikipedia:INAAT, so requesting here to take part in it. @
Usernamekiran: has
commented that - "the name has not been changed officially since the state legislative assembly has to present the bill for changing name to the parliament, it cant be done without a recommendation from the President. The procedure is same for city's rename like any other bill. In the end, president approves the bill
. In which case the request for move will not be valid. Requesting all for comments here as well as the talk page. -
Fylindfotberserk (
talk) 19:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Same applies to the move request at Talk:Osmanabad_district (Osmanabad district → Dharashiv district) and possibly Osmanabad (city article) → Dharashiv. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 19:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
I am currently aiming to finish setting up all the delsorts for the remaining states of India, as well as some of the more populated union territories. However, I am not sure if Indian-controlled Kashmir should be handled in the delsort system with the Pakistani- and Chinese-controlled parts, or if all the regions of Kashmir should be handled separately. More discussions at WT:DELSORT. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 00:19, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Küzholüzo Nienü#Requested move 26 June 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ~Styyx Talk? 18:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Does the village Sankhalapadar exist? In response to Template:Did you know nominations/Shanti Devi (social worker), I can only find references that mention the village in relation to Shanti Devi (social worker). It seems strange. SL93 ( talk) 05:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Editors. I am a little bit confused about the usage of the Puranic or scriptural sources as a source in the origin section of the caste community. I would request you to see the origin section of the Baidya article. The complete section is mainly based on these Puranas. These mythical origins are explained in too much detail. The technical terms, that are used in the section would rarely help a normal common reader. My query is that should The Puranas be used as a source that are inconsistent for centuries without any interpretation for some terms and information as well. My query has arisen after the instructions from the Moderator of WP:DRN, regarding the Karana Kayastha connection. You can check it here, after this I have removed all such discussions and ultimately gain consensus. Thanks, Satnam2408 ( talk) 14:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sharanya Ari until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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User4edits ( talk) 00:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
This section is heavily synthesised, mostly based on hypothetical scenarios and contains failed verification. Please give some attention to the section. Thank you. Northeast heritage ( talk) 03:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Howard from NYC ( talk) 08:14, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Q: given there are 6 billion non-Indians it would be reasonable to either:
(a) discontinue the use of these terms on wiki articles in favor of thousands-millions-billions-trillions which are more universal
(b) offer equivalences next to each such number... example: "7.6 lakh (76,000) meters of plastic pipe" ... or should that be "(760,000)"?
I'm wondering whether anyone from WP:INDIA might be willing to see if there are any non-English reliable sources which have written about Subroto Das and which might also be considered significant coverage. There are articles about Das on Punjabi and Egyptian Wikipedia but they also don't seem to be very well sourced. Given that Das' career as a cricketer seems to have pre-dated the Internet age, perhaps there's some coverage of him in offline sources like old newspapers or magazines. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 12:50, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Draupadi Murmu ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
is the leading candidate in the presidential election so it is an important article. Refs for some claims are lacking. Needs attention. Venkat TL ( talk) 17:18, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Is
DG level officer, with experience of heading notable scam investigation, serving as
Special director general of
SSB, as
Inspector general at
National Security Guard and as
Inspector general at
Special Protection Group not notable
IPS officer???
Also, the same was the first
Commissioner of Police of a state, prevented
Vishva Hindu Parishad ex-chief
Pravin Togadia from attending their party meeting (while BJP was in power of Central Govt), arrested ruling party's MLA.
With
President's Police Medal for "Meritorious Service" and
President's Police Medal For "Distinguished Service" the officer is not notable?
Moreover, taking a voluntary retirement, even after promoted to
DG level officer leaving his last 2 years service which could have designate as something more, criticised the central government's government's bureaucracy policy, such IPS officer is if notable then who is??
I am placing the issue for discussion as wiki pages of many DG level officers of India getting deleted or tagged with
Notability template. If
Scotland's Mr.
David Allan (police officer),a very lower level police officer in comparison to India's
DG level officer, can be notable, then why India's
DG level officers are not notable?
Indian Wikipedian with knowledge in this field are requested for open discussion to update Notability of higher ranked Indian Police Service officer here in Wiki. A fair policy by Wiki about India's bureaucrats' notability should be updated. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 17:30, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
The WikiProject Vital Articles is now back in business, after a long hiatus. Many India-related topics are on the vital article list such as History of India, Mahatma Gandhi, Bengali, Hindustani and India itself, which both projects would certainly love to improve upon. To join the project, click here to go to the member list. CactiStaccingCrane ( talk) 09:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Rukma Roy#Requested move 19 July 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 09:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Requesting people at WP:INB to take part in the move request Talk:Sudeep#Requested move 26 July 2022. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 09:29, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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User4edits ( talk) 12:55, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Greetings,
In a misplaced attempt of
whataboutism a user (probably sock) pointed out at some references (communicating in my personal user space). In any case, in good faith, I noted those @
Talk:Rape in India#A note. Requesting users to improve India related articles if those refs are suitable taking into account relevant Wikipedia policies.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 08:37, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
The National Institute of Design in India is organizing an event with editathons focusing on Women in Design from 8 to 12 Aug 2022 with support from Art+Feminism. More details here.-- Ipigott ( talk) 08:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
This article, i doubt, is hoax. It was created by an IP and uses almost 90% of sources from a particular publication or site called Regmi research site.Is it based on reliable source? Also, do the source say same, as the article portrays, i doubt, as can't have access to source. They claim that all ancient dynasty of Nepal like Lichhavi to be of Rajput origin. This is itself a big reason to believe that someone have used WP:SYNTH misused sources to write it. Can anyone tell? Admantine123 ( talk) 20:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Also, i checked Thapa dynasty, someone has inserted the word Rajput in the sentence and the source used donot say anything about it. Page 34 of the source talks about some person who claim Rajput origin, but he claims. Article should be rewritten at some places. Someone distorting these Nepali article - Admantine123 ( talk) 21:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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There is a Featured Article Save Award nomination at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/Darjeeling/archive2. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped assure this article would retain its featured status. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:52, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Should India be considered "a country where Tamil is recognized as an official language"? In a list article, this may depend on how the list criteria are defined or interpreted. Your feedback would be appreciated at this discussion. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 02:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
On behalf of Indian executive Ajit Mohan, I've submitted a draft article at AfC as part of my work at Beutler Ink. Given my conflict of interest (which I've also disclosed on the draft's Talk page), I will not publish the article to the main space and ask independent editors to review for accuracy, neutrality, and verifiability before going live. For this project, Mr. Mohan provided feedback to ensure accuracy of the entry, which is based on reputable secondary coverage. I am happy to address any questions or concerns that may arise during the review process. Might someone here be willing to take a look?
Thanks in advance for your consideration and help. Inkian Jason ( talk) 15:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Veera Madakari#Requested move 26 July 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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Please contribute to this new article draft on Jews of Color.-- Coin945 ( talk) 20:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
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Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 07:23, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
We have three pages describing administrative units called "Jammu and Kashmir"; Jammu and Kashmir (union territory), Jammu and Kashmir (state), and Jammu and Kashmir (princely state). These units did not coexist at any point, and are distinct in their territorial boundaries. However, we have any number of categories that refer to "Jammu and Kashmir" without disambiguation; this is, needless to say, dreadfully inaccurate. Combined with our tendency to use categories imprecisely, this lack of precision has made the category meaningless. Fixing this will be a bit of an exercise, I suspect, so I'm posting here in the hopes that some folks will take it on. Vanamonde ( Talk) 10:47, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
I think the simplest solution would be to let all "non-political" categories refer to the present day geographical subunits of the Kashmir region that the refer to. If they spanned multiple subunits, they can be added to the categories of those subunits as well. For political categories, e.g., Category:Chief Ministers of Jammu and Kashmir, it would make sense to separate the princely state and Indian state references. This is not that different from British India→India transition. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 18:32, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Chittoor Nagayya#Requested move 8 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 05:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Rinku Singh (wrestler)#Requested move 8 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 08:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Want to share and let you all know that Golconda diamonds is now GA. :) Omer123hussain ( talk) 14:37, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
The maps of Kashmir region have come up for discussion here off and on, but I don't recall any clear proposals being made or gaining WP:CONSENSUS.
Yet I notice that C1MM made an edit request in July to replace the map that goes into the infoboxes, changing it from the Kashmir region map to a union territory map. The infobox maps of all other subunits of Kashmir have also been changed similarly.
I am bringing this up here now because this is an undiscussed global change. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:54, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nila Devi#Requested move 12 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 15:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
The article Ezhil (programming language) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
The 'Ezhil' programming language is a non-notable programming language. I would categorise this programming language as one of those toy languages that university students implement in python/JS for hackathons or semester project. Nobody really uses these kind of Run-of-the-mill side project languages. This language doesn't deserve a Wikipedia page. It is about a 10 year old language but has only about 150 stars on Github. see https://github.com/Ezhil-Language-Foundation/Ezhil-Lang I'm not implying that GitHub stars are everything but this language is clearly not popular. Also the citations on this article are primary sources and not reliable to establish notability. Also as per the article, https://www.thehindu.com/features/education/school/making-computing-in-tamil-easy/article6713408.ece , the creator of this toy-language, Muthiah Annamalai, studied at National Institute of Technology, Trichy and University of Texas. The user who created this article has edited(see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5) both of these institutions Wikipedia pages. The person who created this article maybe known to creator of this toy-language, Muthiah Annamalai, and maybe received undisclosed payments. The author of this article has also made very disturbing edits such as, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Indian_Americans&diff=prev&oldid=89881402 , they were trying to paint an entire community as "Sexual Predators" .
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சுய நாசீசிஸத்தை நிறுத்துங்கள் (
talk) 06:50, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of Australian High Commissioners to India#Requested move 18 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 07:17, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sri Lankan High Commissioner to India#Requested move 18 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 07:17, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm new to assessment. I am the creator and/or main editor of several articles that are rated Start-class. From reading the WikiProject India Assessment Guide (Part 1) my understanding is that self-assessment is okay up to C-class and B-class. I would appreciate confirmation. -- Tagooty ( talk) 10:36, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Some very poor sources for a start. I don't know how reliable the publisher is for Balambal, V. (1998). Studies in the History of the Sangam Age. Delhi: Kalinga Publications. but I do know he's got at least one self-published book. [7] Husaini, Dr. S.A.Q. (1962). The History of the Pandya Country. Selvi Pathippakam, Karaikudi. Two books by him with"generic" publishers [8] [9] make me doubt him as well.
Much of it seems original research with irrelevant information even when reliably sourced. 81% was written by one editor in 2007 when standards were much laxer. Doug Weller talk 14:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Palliyadutal referred to the process of removing weeds using a toothed implement attached to a plank and drawn by oxen. Lower-class peasants used stone sling devices to scare animals and birds away from the standing crops. Sickles were used for harvesting mature rice paddies.[5] Since the rivers of the region were not perennial, several irrigation techniques were developed to ensure an adequate and continuous supply of water. Farmers used a bullock-propelled device called Kapilai for bailing out water from deep wells and a manual setup called Erram, for shallow wells.
Those two (short, but dense) articles were created by Interstice101, the first one popped up on my list at WP:NPP. I know next to nothing about the caste system or anthropology, so, for all I know, those articles could be anything among the following options:
In any case they both look somewhat
WP:OR-ish to me (I will post a notice on
WP:ORN). For instance, Ethnographic analyses of (...) [have] focused on tribal casteism in the domains of [A], [B], [C], ...
is quite
WP:SYNTH-ish (topics A, B, C do have references attached, but who can ensure that whoever wrote this has fairly represented the whole body of literature on the topic, and not picked their favorites?).
It’s not like we are drowning in Indian anthropologist editors, so it would be good to preserve the content of the articles if it has any value, but I am not able to evaluate that. Any thoughts? Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 15:33, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Aren't these the same topic? Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:07, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/India that is Bharat (book) (2nd nomination) - Will appreciate eyes esp. in light of the previous AfD. Ty, TrangaBellam ( talk) 07:00, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
So, we've got an article at AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Jammu (1399). It's a pretty big, pretty good article. The thing is, not only is not referenced, we basically can't find any references. It's been suggested that it's a hoax. Except there's tiny reference. It's just odd. It's a nice article otherwise, we hate to just dump it. There's more at the AfD. None of us can read any Indian languages. So if anyone here can take a look at it, that'd be nice, thanks. Herostratus ( talk) 00:21, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Is there someone knowledgeable of the subject who can help at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 4#2019 Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assembly election? -- Tavix ( talk) 17:12, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Bania (caste)#Requested move 22 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 18:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Our article-titles on this location— Kanchipuram district and Kanchipuram—both use "i" spelling. The district article has a mix of "i" and "ee" spellings. And the website of each (as linked from their infoboxes) uses "ee". At a minimum, each article should be self-consistent. Should each unify on "ee", or is there a WP style note or some more-reliable (for English speakers) ref that supports "i"? DMacks ( talk) 17:01, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Could somebody here look at Akalapuzha River? We've had an article since 2009 describing and categorizing it as a river, exactly as one would expect based on the title, but within the past week it's gotten substantially rewritten (mainly by anonymous IPs) to describe and recategorize it as a lake, without actually changing the title at all. So could somebody with more knowledge about it than I have confirm whether it's actually a lake or a river, and fix either the text or the page title depending on which of those two things is wrong? Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 20:05, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
I think this is the first Wikipedia article presenting a regional description of Wikipedia engagement. We have articles on Wikipedia language versions, but not currently other regions.
Check it out. Bluerasberry (talk) 21:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Our article claims (unsourced),
The members of the Constituent Assembly were elected by the provincial assemblies by a single, transferable-vote system of proportional representation. The total membership of the Constituent Assembly was 389 of which 292 were representatives of the provinces [..]
Provincial assembly elections were held in early 1946. Constituent Assembly members were elected indirectly by members of the newly elected provincial assemblies, and initially included representatives for those provinces that formed part of Pakistan (some of which are now in Bangladesh).
Is this accurate? I will like to be pointed to secondary sources which detail upon different aspects of the "election" to the Constituent Assembly of India from various provinces. TIA, TrangaBellam ( talk) 10:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Why is the Next Karnataka Legislative Assembly election article too early protected? I request someone to remove protection. 2405:201:D01B:6A77:1C89:9CF5:C272:7261 ( talk) 14:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Because you've been asking this all over the place like a kid desperately looking around for a place to go to the bathroom ...
You and other IPs have been repeatedly adding unsourced material to the article. I semi-protected for 3 days; when that expired, you went back, Jack, and did it again ... Wheel turnin' round and round, you went back, Jack and did it again (Cue the electric sitar solo; this noticeboard would be perfect for it). The reporter suggested it should be protected through the election, and I realized we don't want to keep going back, Jack ... well, you get the idea.
As has been noted elsewhere, you can always use the talk page to suggest edits, which you do not appear to have done. At all. Daniel Case ( talk) 20:50, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Dinesh MN looks like the longest start-class page you will find on WikiProject India. It needs to be cut back to perhaps one-hundredth of its present size. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:35, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
List of chief ministers of Tamil Nadu is currently a featured list, but is unlikely to remain so if nobody cleans up the prose summary. The table seems to be in decent shape, so this shouldn't be difficult work. Vanamonde ( Talk) 11:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
as clearly drafted the usage of state emblem of India. We must to create that vectorisation of the emblem as per Indian government. We need improve the vector images. We are revert back to latest and more refined vector image. ChiK ( talk) 03:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
I've provided a draft of possible updates to the Yoga template. Could you please check and comment on this - thx
Frank Samyamananda ( talk) 12:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
The page Borders of India states:
India shares land borders with seven sovereign nations. The state's Ministry of Home Affairs also recognizes a 106 kilometres (66 mi) land border with an eighth nation, Afghanistan, as part of its claim of the Kashmir region (see Durand Line). [1]
So what do we about this? Should we also start writing about Pakistan's claimed border with Tibet and China's claimed border with Nagaland? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 19:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ashok (actor)#Requested move 6 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 19:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
This article needs some attention and work up. Edits such this are a bit concerning — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 21:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Vettuva Gounder has been waiting to be reviewed at AfC for over four months now. Would anyone at this WikiProject be willing or able to assist in reviewing the draft? TipsyElephant ( talk) 16:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Flag of India for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 20:19, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm looking at Talk:Daivadnya#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_September_2022 and it seems legit to me to remove Christianity from the infobox, as that seems to be historical. The tone of the request makes me think there is context I'm unaware of, however. I'd appreciate any input anyone could offer. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 22:23, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
An article of interest to this WikiProject, r.e.: Bhagalpur Municipal Corporation, has been proposed for a merge with Bhagalpur. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Felix QW ( talk) 14:48, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Vindhyavasini#Requested move 13 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 04:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
The article has been repeatedly subject to MOS:PUFFERY by several new accounts, including one named Amitabh Kant. Despite warning each of these new accounts about the MOS and potential conflicts of interest, a new account is created almost every week and attempts to update the article with the subject's personal website, a long list of non-notable facts (e.g. a list of TV appearances on news debates, none of which are individually noteworthy, random magazine rankings, etc), and there have also been one or two incidents of unexplained content blanking. Last week I had to remove three separate sections that were created by a new account, all of which linked back to promotional content related to the subject's website. I requested semi-protection but it was not granted. I could use some help from an experienced editor in cleaning up the article and removing promotional/irrelevant content. Thanks. - Naushervan ( talk) 05:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:A. Mohan#Requested move 13 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 18:13, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
List of Yadav people is full of WP:BLP violations, as self-identification is missing in most cases. In fact, the page has become a free-for-all, as editors are adding entries where "Yadav" doesn't seem to even appear anywhere, let alone self-identification or even providing a reliable source for caste verification. It seems an editor removed most of the BLP violations a few months ago. But someone again added a large number of them. Pinging Fylindfotberserk to see if they are familiar with this list, especially the cleanup edits. If yes, then that version should be restored. At the very least, it needs extended confirmed protection. Otherwise, there is no way to fix it. So pinging RegentsPark and Abecedare as well. - NitinMlk ( talk) 20:47, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
PS: List of Yadav politicians also has the same issues! - NitinMlk ( talk) 20:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a dispute on Talk:Raju_Srivastav#Look_alike_of_Amitabh_Bachchan_? where some users are using claims of Srivastav to add in Wikipedia voice that he is a look alive of AB. Please see. Venkat TL ( talk) 16:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Our article on author Ved Prakash Sharma has a list of almost 200 of his works, in Devanagari characters (Hindi, I'm guessing.)
Can anybody put this into English?
Thanks - 2804:14D:5C59:8693:68DD:6E9:A6D6:8D46 ( talk) 02:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Simranjit Singh Mann § Indian Express seems to have copied this article. Venkat TL ( talk) 17:19, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps someone from WP:INDIA could take a look at Peringottukara Devasthanam Sree Vishnumaya Swami Temple and assess it? It was created directly in the mainspace. It needs some formatting fixes and other cleanup, but the main problem have to do whether it meets WP:GNG. I'm not sure whether there is a specific WP:SNG for temples or other places of worship, and I'm not sure if such subjects are treated primarily as buildings, organizations or a combination of both. FWIW, I came across this via WP:THQ#why iam not able to move my page to wikepedia? and the creator Globifydigital is a relatively new WP:SPA whose only edits so far have been related to creating this article. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone here know very much about the Talk:Sino-Indian War#Chinese treatment of Indians? There is a section on the Indian government's treatment of Chinese people, yet does not mention China's treatment of Indians? Does anyone here have any insights or sources regarding this particular issue? Obiwanbridget ( talk) 10:59, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi guys, having seen some articles about historical events and persons that are not very widely known, I've realised that most of it is extremely unreliable. Normal nationalist POV-pushing happens usually in popular articles, but the less known ones are victims of caste-warriors, who will make their caste win a war without any reference. Not just IPs, who are usually caught due to patrollers, but long-time editors too. Look at my reversal of a hoax. It's easy to introduce hoaxes using names of real books, thinking who would ever read that, patrollers miss out on that (see article history), until someone actually reads the book. This isn't one or two articles, according to Wikipedia, the Battle of Malpura has been won by Jaipur & Marathas & Rajputs (who aren't mentioned in belligerents but whatever) at different points of article history. Sorry, but somewhere we've failed and niche historical Indian topics are more unreliable than they are reliable. (Also, keep an eye on Slayer 7928 (used no ping) who I believe is one such caste-warrior, read userpage.) — CX Zoom[he/him] ( let's talk • { C• X}) 21:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello. Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Gautama Buddha#Requested move 5 October 2022. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 11:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Could you help to disambiguate links to Muslim Students Federation? The links shown here should either go to All India Muslim Students Federation or Muslim Students Federation (I. U. M. L.) (or possibly Muslim Students Federation (Kerala unit)) but without specialised knowledge the context sometimes makes it difficult to see which.— Rod talk 17:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Whether recent superstition related case has already been covered in any article? If not then I shall propose the same to be covered in Superstition in India article.
Thanks
Bookku (
talk) 09:46, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Ayurveda § Indian Supreme Court on Wikipedia article on Ayurveda. Venkat TL ( talk) 19:23, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Bharat Jodo Yatra. 2405:201:D01B:60BD:48E8:C100:A581:C74 ( talk) 12:52, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Political integration of India for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 22:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nawabs of Bengal and Murshidabad#Requested move 20 October 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 13:05, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I haven't used wikipedia much in the past few months, so I apologize for any mistakes. I've noticed that pages on villages of India are quite low-quality. Many use sources on the spam blacklist (for example, as of making this post, 275 articles use villageinfo.in). A lot have poor grammar, though this could be just due to the fact that I'm an American reading Indian English. Others have useless trivia, and read more like a travel guide (For example, the page of Elappally talked about a waterfall in a very travel-guide like manner, which I have improved). Others have long lists of nearby villages, many of which don't seem to serve any purpose. I've tried to do what I can to improve articles, but the fact that I'm on a school computer, lack the knowledge of India to factually correct it, and the simple fact that there's so many of these pages has made it difficult. Any suggestions or help would be much appreciated. Eridian314 ( talk) 14:23, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Is it kosher, as here, to say that Agra was in an entity known as the Maratha confederacy at the time of Ghalib's birth? According to the history section of the Agra page, Agra was under the influence of the Marathas (also, apparently, Jats, Rajputs, et al) but does that translate to a nation state entity? -- RegentsPark ( comment) 15:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I nominated the article @ Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/Nominations#K. R. Narayanan . IMO the article seem to have scope and reason for further level of improvement, if some more users can pitch in. Bookku ( talk) 05:20, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Chadhaibhol#Requested move 21 October 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 21:59, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
I came to know from The Signpost that one " Tuhin Sinha" — involved with the Bharatiya Janata Party — has filed a defamation suit against Wikimedia Foundation and all (?) of its administrators as a reaction to the community's March 2022 decision to delete the article about him. Interested audience can navigate to this official website, fill DLSE010052712022 in the CNR field, and solve the captcha to remain abreast of the day-to-day proceedings. The Foundation has been issued summons and the next hearing is scheduled for 15 December 2022. TrangaBellam ( talk) 08:43, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
counter[] systemic bias, the Foundation is even looking at using oral testimony. Andreas believes this to be a valid defense of his usage of questionable sources (including a matrimonial website and a publication, declared unreliable by the Indian Cinema Task Force) and goes on to propose that Indian sources be held to lower standards of reliability derived from Alexa ranks. I do not know whether to be genuinely concerned or feign concern; so, leaving it to the wisdom of fellow INB-editors/admins like Kautilya3, Tayi Arajakate, RegentsPark and others. TrangaBellam ( talk) 16:07, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
What makes the man notable? His novels? Or his spokesmanship, c.q. his role in BJP-politics? I guess the last, given writings like this, which seems to me to be an apology fo religious violence. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 20:00, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
The Times of India sees itself not as an agenda-setter but as a bulletin board, a mirror to what happened yesterday. The first section had many ads, and there were several advertising supplements.... The paper’s innovations begin in its eight-page second section, which is titled the Bombay Times but is known in-house as Page Three. ... Jain explained that, like the surrounding stories, it was
written by members of the reporting staff and paid for by the celebrities or their publicists. Most of the section was filled with ads, or with stories that were ads; a similar section appears in each city in which the Times is published. An internal company report in June lauded the strategy as “so important that todaynearly all Bollywood movie releases pay for promotional coverage ahead of movie releases, and actors/actresses pay to develop their brand through coverage in the paper.” Tucked under the section’s masthead, four words in small type inform the reader that the contents are an “advertorial, entertainment promotional feature.” Jain insisted that this meets the transparency test. “It’s on my masthead,” he said. “It says ‘advertorial’ clearly. All newspapers in the world do advertorials.” But in the Jains’ newspapersthe advertorials are written by staff reporters, and a reader needs a magnifying glass to be alerted.
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I see that there are numerous occurrences of terms like " Home Secretary of India", " Foreign Secretary of India" etc. similar to the corrsponding terms used for the US or UK. This is entirely inappropriate. These are bureaucratic positions, not constitutional positions. The corresponding "of India" titles can only be applied to ministers in India, not to bureaucrats. The correct language is either " Home Secretary in the Government of India" or just " Home Secretary".
On the other hand, " Comptroller and Auditor General of India" is ok. It is a constitutional position. See this clean-up edit, for example.
I would like to urge everybody to avoid such terms, and remove them whenever they run into them. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 23:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Satyajit Ray for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 ( talk) 16:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Has there been a previous discussion about which of the following formats is preferable?
Wobblygriswold and I have differing opinions on the topic, with them preferring the second option based on MOS:COMMONALITY ("ten million is preferable to one crore (Indian English).") and I, the first one based on "better matching the sources and more accessible to both Indian and non-Indian readers."
To be clear: in instances where only one number system is being presented, I completely agree that million, billion etc should be preferable to lakhs, crores etc. Abecedare ( talk) 23:43, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Article Sabitha Beegam is @ deletion discussion, likely to be one of first Muslim woman mayors in India. There seem to be lack of sources. Can some one help find helpful sources including Malayalam and help salvage the article if possible.
Also help @ WP:RD/H @ Muslim women mayors in India (post 1947) is requested. Bookku ( talk) 10:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
There is an RfC at talk:2022 Morbi bridge collapse#RfC: ₹4 lakh or ₹400,000 about the use of lakh (and crore) that might have wider implication than that specific article. Thryduulf ( talk) 02:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
An input request about 'Indian Non-vegetarian food culture' @ WP:DUE
Bookku ( talk) 07:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Above mentioned discussion @ WP:DUE is moved on to consider whether topic Non-vegetarian deserves an independent article at all? Do share your inputs @ @ WP:DUE. 12:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Paddu#Requested move 8 November 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:23, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
I have been reading his columns recently and then he got invited to a Q&A at the India Today Conclave, where he managed to explain better what he is talking about. Please do watch it. It helps us interpret the media and academic coverage of India.
His previous column is here:
-- Kautilya3 ( talk) 11:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
In 2018 [Babones] published The New Authoritarianism: Trump, Populism, and the Tyranny of Experts on Donald Trump and his administration. Lacking in sources and notes, it was not intended to be an academic monograph but rather serve as a political screed. Babones welcomed Trump's populist approach to governance as a dissent against the usual "tyranny of unelected authoritarian experts" in liberal democracies; rejecting allegations of authoritarianism, he found Trump's administration effective and credited Trump with strengthening democratic ideals by returning power to the electorate.
Another talk at the Nehru Centre in London, much more detailed. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 18:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
One editor is objecting to the use of Vajpeyi on the Rajput page. She has been used extensively on the Bhonsale page. Descriptions of Rajputs in Dharmashastras is discussed in great detail in Vajpeyi. I find this source very reliable given her qualifications as well as the publication.
When I added this section here [ [19]] it was reverted here [20]. Their initial objection was The whole page has been bombarded with the particular way of writing the content. We have already discussed the community using various Historians on the subject.
Their next objection was the Vajpeyi is not reliable. When I explained her qualifications, the next objection was she has not been cited. Then I showed that the specific paper that discusses Shivaji, Rajputs and the Dharmashastras is cited ten times [21], their objection now is that her opinion on dharmashastras has not been cited in a tertiary source hence she is unreliable.
Here is the quote from Vajpeyi's paper:
[quote on page 257: section RAJPUTS ACCORDING TO THE DHARMASASTRA: Whatever the realities of Rajputization among powerful tribal families seeking to enter the varna system with a certain status, and emigre brahmanas helping them to do so, by brahmanical dharmasastra definitions prevalent in Shivaji’s lifetime, Rajputs are a miscegenated jati produced from non-alike fathers and mothers of specified types. According to the Sudrakamalakara, an authoritative Sanskrit text on the dharma of sudras written by Gagabhatta’s own uncle, Kamalakarabhatta, in the early part of the seventeenth century, the progeny of a ksatriya man and a sudra woman would be an ugra, otherwise known as a rajaputa.33 Such a person does battle and is expert in wielding weapons, but he must follow the duties proper to a sudra. In Kamalakara’s classification, being a sankarajati, or mixed group, ugras, or rajaputas are sudrasamana, as goodas (or as bad as!) sudras. [footnote]‘Ugra’ literally means ‘scary’, or ‘ferocious’.In equating the ugra and the rajap"uta, medieval dharmashastra writers nodoubt intended to refer to the warlike properties of the class of person they were describing.See Kamalakarabhatta, ‘Jatinirnayaprakaranam’, in his ®Sudrakamalakara,p. 255. A progeny whose father has a higher varna than the mother, as in this case,is called an anulomaja, or ‘one born in accordance with the natural flow’ (that is,the descending order) of social hierarchy, from man (superior) to woman (inferior).Kamalakara lists the ugra among the six types of anulomajas (ibid.: 254–5). An earlier text in this genre, the ®Sudracarasiromani by Sesakrsna, also provides thesame definition of a rajaputa (Ibid.: 15)
(source:Traditions in motion:Religion and Society in History(Ananya Vajpeyi, 2005),Oxford University Press, editors=Supriya Varma, Satish Saberwal)
Moreover, her observation in the Dharmashastras is also supported by a secondary source and a tertiary source(textbook):
source: Social Life in Ancient India (Sudhakar Chattopadhyaya, 1965, pg 18)Kane points out that according to the Sahyadrikhaṇḍa and Sūdrakamalākara an Ugra is called Rajput while according to the Jativiveka he is also called Ravut
source:(textbook)Unit-14 Social structure and gender relations: c. 700-1200 CE Kumar, Prem; Kapur, Nandini Sinha(historian)Divergent social groups got incorporated in the new socio-political fold of rajputras including Shudras. That’s why the Brihaddharmapurana regarded rajputras as a mixed caste and Shudra-kamalakara equates the Rajputs with ugra, a mixed caste born of the union of a Kshatriya man and a Shudra woman.
@ Trangabellum: and Fowler&fowler , is it fine to use her on the page for Rajputs in Dharmashastras - a topic that is missing? Do you have any objection? This topic has also been discussed in a tertiary textbook. Of note, the editor who is objecting has a pattern of deleting text or opposing adding text that makes the Rajput community appear in a bad light. Interestingly, he had no objection to my addition of the section on Rajput#Hospitability or Rajput#Religion_and_Rajput_Women - those sections are full of praise. Thanks for your input. LukeEmily ( talk) 17:55, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
TrangaBellam ( talk) 11:01, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Founded in 1966, the Department of South Asian Languages & Civilizations emphasizes the comprehensive humanistic understanding of the South Asian region. Historical, social, literary, and political issues of South Asia are addressed here through close textual analysis and detailed studies of South Asian cultural forms.
. LukeEmily ( talk) 11:49, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Divergent social groups got incorporated in the new socio-political fold of rajputras including Shudras. That’s why the Brihaddharmapurana regarded rajputras as a mixed caste and Shudra-kamalakara equates the Rajputs with ugra, a mixed caste born of the union of a Kshatriya man and a Shudra woman.
The distinction between tertiary and secondary sources is important, because Wikipedia's no original research policy states: "Articles may make an analytic, evaluative, interpretive, or synthetic claim only if that has been published by a reliable secondary source." Thus, such claims cannot be cited to tertiary or primary sources.. It is possible I am misunderstanding this statement. Nandini Kapur is PhD in history as per her linkedin. The textbook is a university textbook that they use in India and the chapters are contributed by several historians. "History Of India From C. 300 To 1206" Since it is a tertiary source and not a secondary source, we are not using it. The specific dharmashastra is written in the early 1600s when Rajput did exist. I agree with TB about the comparison between Nandini Kapur and Dr.Vajpeyi. LukeEmily ( talk) 12:24, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
, this is another one from Ms Lindsay Harlan's book- From the Margin's of Hindu Marriage in the Chapter The Effectiveness of the Hindu Sacrament (Samskara): Caste, Marriage, and Divorce in Bengali Culture, page number 148.[ [28]] -8From a Brahmin man by a Vaisya girl* is born a son called Ambastha; and by a Śūdra girl, a Niṣāda, also called Pārasava. "From a Ksatriya man by a Śūdra girl is born a son called Ugra, who is cruel in his behavior and in his dealings, a being with the physical characteristics of both a Ksatriya and a Śüdra. 10 A Brahmin's children by the three lower classes, a Ksatriya's by the two lower classes, and a Vaisya's by the one lower class-tradition calls these six "low-born" (10.46 n.). "From a Kṣatriya man by a Brahmin girl is born a Sūta by caste; sons of a Vaisya by Ksatriya and Brahmin women are a Magadha and a Vaideha, respectively; 12and from a Śūdra by Vaisya, Ksatriya, and Brahmin women are born respectively an Ayogava, a Kṣattr, and a Canḍāla, the worst of all men so originate the intermixture of classes. 13 As when there is a difference of two classes in a birth, tradition calls them Ambastha and Ugra if the difference is in the direct order, in like manner they are Kṣatr and Vaideha, if it is in the inverse order.
on Page 159, the writer clarifies that it is Ugra community locally called as Aguris-The Brahmans asked the Ugras (whose name means “vi¬ olent" or “cruel"), who were physically strong (balavat) and brave, to follow the occupation of Ksatriyas in warfare. The Magadhas, who were unwilling to fight because of the necessity of killing (himsa), were asked to be bards (vandT) to Brahmans and Ksatriyas, to carry messages, and to study the Ksatraveda (Sanskrit works on warfare).
Here is another A R Desai page 453 in State and Society in India-My own fieldwork had not brought me into contact with Vaidyas, al¬ though I have a good many acquaintances among persons of this caste in Calcutta and elsewhere. The Aguri caste, who consider themselves the modern representatives of the Ugras and refer to themselves as Ugra Ksatriyas, are heavily concentrated in Burdwan district and the immediately surrounding areas.
, there are multiple writers who are saying otherwise using same primary reference of Dharmashastra and Ancient texts. So, it becomes important we seek WP: Tertiary. This was my main argument. We have already given 25 pages on Rajput Origin including various opinions. I request bigger editors like you to definitely look at this case here. Thanks and Regards. Akalanka820 ( talk) 12:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)A Bengali version of the martial style is the Ugra-Kshatriya jati, Ugra meaning "hot-tempered." They are characterized in Lal Behari Day's novel of 1872 about his village in Burdwan district as "a bold and somewhat fierce race, and less patient of any injustice or oppression than the ordinary Bengal raiyat." An account of the same village as of 1962 quotes this passage and comments that the Ugra-Kshatriyas ("a strong, courageous community") still show the same characteristics. Their origin myth (from Manu X.9.) told of their descent from a Kshatriya man and a Sudra girl, and so they were not given unequivocal Kshatriya standing, but "they are now claiming themselves to be Kshatriyas and are trying to acquire the status of the twice-born themselves" (Basu 1962, pp. 24, 36).
There are six languages that the government of India has given the designation "classical language" (see Languages of India#Classical languages of India). These include for example Odia and Kannada. For some of their speakers, this appears to be a source of immense pride, and they come to Wikipedia and insist that the fact should be stated very prominently in the respective articles. So, I'm requesting opinions on the best place for a language article to mention the classical designation.
Half of those articles used to go for it right from the first sentence (e.g. "X is a classical Dravidian language of India.") That's bad for a number of reasons. First, for the great majority of readers, the term " classical language" evokes images of antiquity and languages that are long dead. That's hardly the best impression to give in an introductory sentence (five of the six "classical languages" of India are alive and thriving). Also, this designation is pretty low on the list of salient facts that are worth mentioning from the get to (like language classification, region where spoken, number of speakers, official status, writing system, etc.). So, in my view, the "classical language" stuff should absolutely be kept out of the first paragraph of the lede.
Should it be mentioned later in the lede though? For five of the six articles, it currently is. I'm less certain here, though I don't think I see that as a good idea either. It seems much better for an article to comment on aspects of the fundamental reality that led to the designation (i.e. the old and extensive literary tradition) rather than flaunt the designation itself, which doesn't seem to have much of an impact on things in the world (in contrast to, say, a scheduled status). So, thoughts anyone? – Uanfala ( talk) 22:17, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
The page which had been Gautama Buddha was unsuccessfully proposed for a change to Siddhartha Gautama, then successfully changed to The Buddha, and is now being proposed for a change to Buddha. Your input and expertise would be most welcome at: Talk:The_Buddha#Requested_move_25_November_2022 Best, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 04:02, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I'm asking for assistance to expand the critical reception section for Middle Class Love and Nazar Andaaz. Hope to get positive response soon. Thanks for your consideration. C1K98V ( 💬 ✒️ 📂) 05:06, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Please participate at this discussion where I propose to merge The Battle for Sanskrit to the article of Rajiv Malhotra, the author. Thanks, TrangaBellam ( talk) 19:05, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
I am facing some perceived subtle racism on Wikipedia. The editors seem to have fixed notions that Indian news sources are paid / bad / unreliable / low grade etc. One of them called me a PR professional. The discussions are at Talk page of Draft:Ronnie Lahiri and Teahouse - Draft Ronnie Lahiri. Any suggestions how to deal with this ? Lord Alan B'stard ( talk) 01:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
Such being the case, there is no need to market the subject over Wikipedia either using fawning language. TrangaBellam ( talk) 05:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[T]his production house is a very low profile non-mainstream production house [..] and [] is known for not marketing their movies.
The following colleges from Varanasi had been recently redirected to another article with little information about the colleges:
I have reverted the edits. However, how do they not satisfy WP:UNIN? Thanks, User4edits ( talk) 10:00, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
In the edit summaries, they cite WP:UNIN as their justification; they seem not to have read the full policy, in which case they would have encountered WP:NFACULTY.~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 11:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Indian Diaspora (Overseas Indian)#Requested move 28 November 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 02:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sanjay Kumar Singh (politician)#Requested move 3 December 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Mdaniels5757 ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Requesting more input at this AFD which is, in part, trying to determine if elected members of Autonomous administrative divisions of India meet WP:NPOL. S0091 ( talk) 17:57, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Can somebody explain what the ARBCOM just did? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:40, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
A PROD was added to Embassy of India School Moscow (a.k.a. Kendriya Vidyalaya Moscow). I'm wondering if any users with access to databases of Indian newspapers can find sources about the establishment of Embassy of India School Moscow? The school was established in 1987, so the initial articles should be sometime in the 1980s.
Thank you, WhisperToMe ( talk) 12:38, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
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Request for expending the article for the volunteers having expertise in the field. DrJNU ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Do they pass WP:NLIST? (I just stumbled upon List of Kurubas and Dhangars where most entries of contemporary people in this one fail our requirement for self identification) — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 18:46, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
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List_of_Brahmins has many violations of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy. Often sources cited in the article do not state that the subjects are Brahmin, but only state that they were born in a Brahmin family. Eg Arjun Rampal's interview cited in the article says that his father was a Brahmin, not himself. He says that his mother was not a Brahmin, thus making him a non-Brahmin according to dharmasastras. Neither him nor others claim that he is a Brahmin. This is also true for many other entries in this list. Most of the additions were made by User:Brohman54 who is now blocked. someone needs to clean this list. 103.197.115.42 ( talk) 09:40, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I recently started an article on Street Cricket (video game series) (Street Cricket Champions/Move Street Cricket), a game series developed and released only in India. As such, they're really only mentioned in Indian media, which I don't have easy access to besides whatever is online and in English. There has been some debate as to which of the sources I found online are valid, although I used the best looking ones I could find. Is there anyone here who might be able to help? Thanks, Londonbeat41692 ( talk) 01:32, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
The recent changes by an IP user (1.38.104.185) in pages such as Tamils, Early Cholas, Education in ancient Tamil country, Chola dynasty, etc. may require a review. Not sure if the cited source ( [29]) is reliable. For example, it is used to push the early dates of the Sangam Era (300 BCE) to 3020 BCE. Although I initially tried reverting some of these, the IP user reverted it back. So seeking expert opinion on this. Thanks. Rasnaboy ( talk) 17:26, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Found the page Kabban Mirza on Random Article.
Anyone here who could improve it, please? Tbf69 20:12, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Uttarakhand has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 21:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
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The talk page of Ayodhya-prayagraj ( talk · contribs) is full of warnings about their activist, POV editing, including attempts to remove 'Faizabad' in numerous articles (21 articles so far today). I expect they will be blocked soon by an admin for WP:DISRUPTION and/or WP:NOTHERE, but that still leaves a backlog of numerous articles they have touched, that may need to be removed by a bot, if possible, or by anyone here willing to help out. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 22:15, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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Seeking some nuanced details regarding Carnatic music, @ Talk:R. K. Padmanabha#"Clarification needed" tags
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A proposal, an inbox for Indian states and Union Territories. How about?
There is some work, Template:Infobox Indian state or territory please give a review or contribute.
After a proper development, can it be used as an infobox on Wikipedia pages of Indian states and territories ?
{ I know this template has many mistakes and many tasks are not fulfilled with documentation, my knowledge of wiki markup language ( wikitext ) is not enough, it is inspired by other present templates and infoboxes. Please help the development of this template by pointing out errors or correcting them . Thank you very much. } Tojoroy20 ( talk) 10:59, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, I have suggested merging Recognition of same-sex unions in Andhra Pradesh with Recognition of same-sex unions in India. The article appeared in NPR queue and I felt there is not very much that merits a standalone articles but I welcome your opinions. I am not an expert on this subject and would love to know your insightful opinions in the discussion. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 12:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Malaikottai Valiban#Requested move 21 January 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 13:33, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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Now that it has international coverage and GNG, this would need to be properly created. Perhaps @ Kautilya3 @ Vanamonde93 @ TrangaBellam @ RegentsPark @ Tayi Arajakate one of you has time for that? — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 11:03, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Is anyone familiar with the Rajput Mali topic? The subject's notability seems questionable. To make things worse, an SPA has moved it to a dubious title without any discussion: [30]. So, someone needs to move it back without leaving a redirect. - NitinMlk ( talk) 20:24, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
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As part of figuring out whether there was a princely state of "Singrauli" (different from the modern district and city), I found quite a few edits from blocked account User:Uchiha Baba and his sockpuppets, that are probably not accurate; although interesting to research, I'm getting out of my depth.
The facts of which I'm confident are that Veena Singh, daughter of Arjun Singh (Madhya Pradesh politician), married a Bhuwaneshwar Prasad Singh, and they have a son Aishwarya Singh who married Devyani Rana of Nepal. At some point they converted a residence of theirs into the Singrauli Palace Heritage Hotel. The part that is dubious is B.P. Singh's background - although his (election?) disclosures show a number of assets in the Singrauli area, there doesn't seem to be any independent source that he or his ancestors were rulers of anything at all. When you dig down around the net, the material is either derivatives of the altered Wikipedia articles, the forged maps uploaded to commons, unreliable genealogy sites, or vague claims on the hotel's website. On the other hand, some of the images floating around the net can also be seen at the hotel's website, when you zoom in on interior photos of the hotel. So I'd like to ask people to dig down on the blocked person's edits and revert anything that can be determined to be bogus. Thanks! Stan ( talk) 15:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Bellenoit teaches at the Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD. I had no idea that the USNA, where I've spent some time, had faculty with such varied interests! Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC)These extant officers could sometimes more forcefully assist the Company in ensuring payment of revenue. Udai Lal, the Kayastha qanungo of Singrauli, worked with a powerful Zamindar, Raja Adil Shah, to get the malguzars to enter qabooliyats (revenue agreements) with the Company in the late 1780s. These malguzars refused to recognize British authority, but ultimately yielded (and paid) after Lal suggested to the British Collector: ‘if you despatch a company of sepoys and a gun to punish the aforesaid rebels, the Government money will be realised’.100 Lowly masters of paper, who rarely graced the Mughal court, let alone the presence of either Cornwallis or Wellesley, were quickly becoming vital links between British power and Hindustan’s agrarian wealth. The qanungo could sometimes exercise subtle, razor like bureaucratic power. The Raja of Benares, Bulwant Singh, went as far as to destroy the qanungos’ records that contravened his claims to khas lands10
A qanungo was a registrar of Company_rule_in_India#Revenue_collection. This suggests that Singrauli was a part of British India, not a princely state in which the East India Company could not have collected land tax, and it was therefore a zamindari estate, not a princely state. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)A قانون qānūn (P. also qānūn; akin to Gr. κανὼν), s.m. A canon, rule, regulation, law, legislative act, statute, ordinance; — a species of dulcimer or harp: — qānūn-dān, s.m. One who is versed or learned in the law, a lawyer, jurist: — qānūn-dānī, s.f. Knowledge of the law; — jurisprudence: — qānūn-ě-dīwānī, s.m. Civil law: — qānūn-ě-faujdārī, s.m. Criminal law: — qānūn-go, s.m. An officer in each district, acquainted with its customs, the nature of the tenure of the lands, &c.; registrar of a pargana, or the hereditary registrar of landed property in a pargana; a superintendent of village accountants: — qānūn-goʼī, s.f. The office of a qanūn-go.
It has quite a bit more, some 57 mentions of Singrauli I'm seeing, which I will look at later, but it does have the crucial denial of independent rulership above. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:49, 30 May 2022 (UTC)Not surprisingly British rule was tenuous, if not non-existent. The Magistrate of Mirzapur, writing to the Commissioner of the Banaras Division as late as 1838, stated that the region remained 'little known to the Police and wholly so to myself or any European officer'.10 He also believed, incorrectly, that the Raja of Singrauli was an independent ruler whose domains fell outside British administered territory. Up to this date officials were unclear as to how far their authority extended southward from the Son and under whose jurisdiction this land should fall. Even jurisdiction over the Dudhi pargana located to the north of the Son river had been disputed between officials of the Banaras Division and those in Bihar.11 In the following decades little had changed. Up to the 1850s British rule over Singrauli had been signified by the presence of a single burkundaze (policeman).1
So, at least there are all nearby. Now I will examine a map of Rewa. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
It will be easier for me to just start a new WP page Singrauli estate or Singrauli estates, which I will do in the coming days and clear this confusion. Here is some more from Downs:
By the late eighteenth century the Singrauli Raj consisted of two parts: Singrauli proper in Mirzapur, the Singrauli Rajas paying a nominal sum as tribute to the original Rajput overlords; the other far more lucrative possession was the 700 villages of Nisf Singrauli in Rewah, the Rajas being tributaries of the Raja of Burhi.44 In the 1780s the Raja of Singrauli resisted by force the overlordship of the Raja of Agori-Burhur who had been granted Singrauli as a jagir by Warren Hastings.. .... In Nisf Singrauli the Singrauli Rajas had been less successful in consolidating their monopoly over landownership. Just before his death in 1817 the Burhi Raja had adopted the Maharaja of Rewah as his legal heir. The latter allowed the Raja of Singrauli to remain in possession of his land subject to a nominal yearly payment of tribute. But in 1841 the level of tribute demanded had been increased to one-quarter of the estimated profits of the state, or Rs 6,125. In 1856 Raghuraj Singh, the Maharaja of Rewah again raised the amount demanded to Rs 8,500.50 While the Singrauli Rajas had consolidated their control over their own estates, to the east of Singrauli they sought to incorporate the fertile pargana of Dudhi into their Raj. Territorial expansion into this area had been facilitated by British ignorance of local conditions in Mirzapur during the early part of the century.
I have to run now but will create a new page in the next couple of days. Thanks for asking! This business would never have cleared up otherwise. There is the precolonial and colonial confusion and there is the postcolonial boosterism, between those two real history lives very narrowly. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
The portion of Singrauli lying in the Rewah State is now held by the Raja as a muamladar.(Well, muamla, which is really mu'amala or معاملہ is the Persian/Urdu word for "matter" or "business" a mu'amaladan would be a businessman, but a mu'amaladar I'm not sure (is it as an investor, or an investment?) or is this a special kind of revenue overlord and subtracter, an absentee landlord, perhps, as the real Singrauli was 130 km for these 700 villages in Rewah state. I can't figure out yet. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
The article
First Anglo-Maratha War has been disrupted numerous times where some claim it to be Maratha victory whereas other claim it to be stalemate with no victors or losers which ended with Treaty of Salbai. After going through citations on the article, I found the quotes included in the citation templates were incorrect information about the conclusion of the war. They were rather mis-represented. Below are the exact quotes from the citations about the conclusion of the war that I have posted after thoroughly going through citations. I believe according to these reliable sources, the result of the battle cannot have any victors and should rather conclude with "Treaty of Salbai". Now if there are sources that dispute with below citations, then undeniably the result should be considered "Disputed". Can you all please provide your opinion whether you agree that the result should conclude with just "Treaty of Salbai"? Or if you have any further suggestion?
According to reliable citations, the battle resulted with treaty of Salbai. Here are some quotes from reliable sources: From Richard Ernest Dupuy, Gay M. Hammerman, Grace P. Hayes (1977). The American Revolution: A Global War. David McKay Company, Incorporated. p. 247. "Hastings promptly repudiated the Treaty of Wadgaon and sent troops from Calcutta all the way across central India to strengthen the Bombay forces. One by one they captured Maratha cities. In May 1782 a new treaty was signed with the Marathas, the Treaty of Salbai. Although it merely restored the status quo ante bellum, this treaty gave the British twenty years of peace with the Marathas and permitted them to concentrate their efforts against the French and the forces of Mysore."
And James C. Bradford. International Encyclopedia of Military History. Routledge. p. 867. quotes, "The company renounced the first draft of the treaty of Wadgaon, fighting on until 1782, and, despite its capture of the fortress of Gwalior (1780), the only concession that the British could win was the cession of Salsette Island , which improved the security of Bombay."
M S Narvane in book "Battles of the Honourable East India Company: Making of the Raj", page 63 quotes that "Mudhoji was known to have taken bribe from Hastings and would not join a war. Mahadji, himself was anxious that his forces were not divided and separated, which war both in Malwa and in the Deccan would have entailed. Moreover, both Mahadji and Nana faced acute financial distress. Under these circumstances, peace at the most favorable terms was the only course left open. After prolonged negotiations a treaty was signed between Mahadji and Anderson on 17th May, 1782. It was known as the Treaty of Salbai, after a small village of the same name where Mahadji was in camp."
M. S. Narvane further quotes that, "The main clauses of the treaty were as follows: All territories captured by the Company would be returned, including Bassein but excluding Salsette and some small islands near Bombay. These would remain with the British. Territories in Gujarat would be returned to the Peshwa and Gaikwad, Bhadoch being given to Mahadji for services rendered. Raghoba was to be handed over to the Marathas. He would spend the remainder of his life at a secluded spot in Maharashtra on a pension of Rs. 25,000 per month. Thus ended the First Anglo-Maratha war. Politically the Company was a slight gainer. They retained Salsette whereas the Marathas got back only what they had lost earlier. The main gain from the Maratha point of view was the elimination of the threat posed by Raghoba."
Raghoba is Raghunath Rao.
I would also like to add that there are two sources on the article that are unreliable, by Y.G. Bhave and Barbara West, where the earlier is scholar in Humanist and the latter in Anthropology. Neither are historians.
MehmoodS (
talk) 20:23, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Please take a look at Talk:Rameshbabu_Praggnanandhaa#Requested_move_21_May_2022 Fowler&fowler «Talk» 18:59, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
It is to notify about the recent addition of caste POV and badly written content in the Kamboj article. These edits might be coming from a sock puppeteer since most of their edits are restricted to this topic area [1] [2] [3] [4]. Requesting project members and admins to have a look at this. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 18:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
There is article named Ballabhgarh State other than Ballabhgarh town page. The first suggests in the lead that it was a princely state but here - [1] on page 161-162, it is written jagir and estate after Ballabhgarh. Request for inputs ? Akalanka820 ( talk) 13:18, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Akalanka820 ( talk) 13:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC)Several of the minor and the greater part of the principal offenders in the Chhalera case had sought asylum across the Yamuna in one of these territories, the jagir of the Ballab garh raja, a Jat of the Tevatiya got, or clan.
Akalanka820 ( talk) 13:42, 11 June 2022 (UTC)But the Bulandshahr joint-magistrate, as observed, now had cavalry at his disposal, which was of great help on that part of the Ballabgarh estate which was level ground.
References
Is he "killed" or "martyred" ? — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 11:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
(unrelated to the above one) For example, see this edit - all of these are additions by @ Gardenkur. As @ Toddy1 put it in his revert, these are general functionalities of a municipal corporation [in India], not necessarily what a specific corporation does. The references are also general references and not to a specific corporation. If this text is not a copyvio from somewhere else, should this text be okay in all these articles, or be moved to Municipal corporation (India) ? — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 12:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi DaxServer. Hope you are keeping fine. The edits are done in all articles of Municipal Corporations to get consistency and uniformity in the articles. The functions of Municipal corporations is to develop a town with more than 1 million people. Let me know if I am wrong. Thanks. Gardenkur ( talk) 12:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Venkat TL. Nice to see your inputs. However, I feel for informational purpose each article should have its own notability. Public members will not see referenced article and collect information. There are also comments in some articles of not having sufficient references or they miss important information. My effort is only to get uniformity in similar articles. If iam wrong please correct. Thanks. Gardenkur ( talk) 13:31, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Venkat TL. Thanks for your prompt response. Going by your suggestion did you mean I will add section as Functions in each article and link it to main Municipal Corporation for defining the same. However as you refered, an individual is different from entity. The entities are governed by state level Municipal Corporations Act which are generally same, except their official details vary which is more important for general public. Hope Iam clear. Gardenkur ( talk) 13:58, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Venkat TL. Thanks again. There are no unique functions from state to state. The functions are uniform and similar. But will do as you suggested. As Wikipedia editor, I was doing on the interest of general public as per its policies. I was also observing the remarks for each article. Gardenkur ( talk) 14:17, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Not all the functions mentioned in the schedule are obligatory for civic bodies across the country as different states have enacted legislations to delegate functions across various departments.[6] So what is stated for functions for each municipal corporation needs to be back by citations that actually mention that that municipal corporation does those functions.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:01, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Toddy1. Thanks for pointing the statements. However, as I read it, each place has its Municipal Corporation and Development authorities created to improve infrastructure of the town. Inserted references gives the functions which are uniform across states. Hope Iam clear. Please let me know if it needs elaboration. Thanks again. Gardenkur ( talk) 16:08, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Venkat TL. If I want to add Functions in this article,can you suggest how to add as per your inputs. Thanks. Gardenkur ( talk) 11:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Venkat TL. Thanks and will update the functions likewise in all articles where that part is missing. However, to have information on the same will need reading of all states Municipal Acts which I dont think relevant now. Gardenkur ( talk) 11:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
More specifically does the officially approved text about the functions of a parliamentary committee (a state assembly) in this case as published on assembly official nic.in website comes under copyrighted text or Government of India Open Data license or Public Domain? I believe it is free, as they are published as government gazette for public use. Please guide. Venkat TL ( talk) 07:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
English Wikipedia follows only U.S. copyright law, and the U.S. does not recognize copyright on edicts of government, even those issued by foreign governments. So the text of any law is fair game. Random text from a government website, not so much. Toohool ( talk) 19:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
I have asked @ TheAnonymousWikiEditor to undo their mass edits. Someone will have to undo all of these. Venkat TL ( talk) 07:17, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian politics § Proposal : Wikipedia:Naming conventions Indian constituencies. Venkat TL ( talk) 16:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
The newspaper-archive was digitized under the Endangered Archives Programme of British Library and is available here. I wish to know if there is any way to search by a text-string as possible in Newspapers.com etc.? TrangaBellam ( talk) 06:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
The Wikipedia page is also in crisis, Some more eyes on the article and talk page will help improve the article. Venkat TL ( talk) 08:03, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Many apologies, because of various distractions, I was not able to finish what I had set out to do on the Singrauli Estate. I am reposting the talk page thread, so I can make the necessary changes in full and open light. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 02:26, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
As part of figuring out whether there was a princely state of "Singrauli" (different from the modern district and city), I found quite a few edits from blocked account User:Uchiha Baba and his sockpuppets, that are probably not accurate; although interesting to research, I'm getting out of my depth.
The facts of which I'm confident are that Veena Singh, daughter of Arjun Singh (Madhya Pradesh politician), married a Bhuwaneshwar Prasad Singh, and they have a son Aishwarya Singh who married Devyani Rana of Nepal. At some point they converted a residence of theirs into the Singrauli Palace Heritage Hotel. The part that is dubious is B.P. Singh's background - although his (election?) disclosures show a number of assets in the Singrauli area, there doesn't seem to be any independent source that he or his ancestors were rulers of anything at all. When you dig down around the net, the material is either derivatives of the altered Wikipedia articles, the forged maps uploaded to commons, unreliable genealogy sites, or vague claims on the hotel's website. On the other hand, some of the images floating around the net can also be seen at the hotel's website, when you zoom in on interior photos of the hotel. So I'd like to ask people to dig down on the blocked person's edits and revert anything that can be determined to be bogus. Thanks! Stan ( talk) 15:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Bellenoit teaches at the Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD. I had no idea that the USNA, where I've spent some time, had faculty with such varied interests! Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC)These extant officers could sometimes more forcefully assist the Company in ensuring payment of revenue. Udai Lal, the Kayastha qanungo of Singrauli, worked with a powerful Zamindar, Raja Adil Shah, to get the malguzars to enter qabooliyats (revenue agreements) with the Company in the late 1780s. These malguzars refused to recognize British authority, but ultimately yielded (and paid) after Lal suggested to the British Collector: ‘if you despatch a company of sepoys and a gun to punish the aforesaid rebels, the Government money will be realised’.100 Lowly masters of paper, who rarely graced the Mughal court, let alone the presence of either Cornwallis or Wellesley, were quickly becoming vital links between British power and Hindustan’s agrarian wealth. The qanungo could sometimes exercise subtle, razor like bureaucratic power. The Raja of Benares, Bulwant Singh, went as far as to destroy the qanungos’ records that contravened his claims to khas lands10
A qanungo was a registrar of Company_rule_in_India#Revenue_collection. This suggests that Singrauli was a part of British India, not a princely state in which the East India Company could not have collected land tax, and it was therefore a zamindari estate, not a princely state. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)A قانون qānūn (P. also qānūn; akin to Gr. κανὼν), s.m. A canon, rule, regulation, law, legislative act, statute, ordinance; — a species of dulcimer or harp: — qānūn-dān, s.m. One who is versed or learned in the law, a lawyer, jurist: — qānūn-dānī, s.f. Knowledge of the law; — jurisprudence: — qānūn-ě-dīwānī, s.m. Civil law: — qānūn-ě-faujdārī, s.m. Criminal law: — qānūn-go, s.m. An officer in each district, acquainted with its customs, the nature of the tenure of the lands, &c.; registrar of a pargana, or the hereditary registrar of landed property in a pargana; a superintendent of village accountants: — qānūn-goʼī, s.f. The office of a qanūn-go.
It has quite a bit more, some 57 mentions of Singrauli I'm seeing, which I will look at later, but it does have the crucial denial of independent rulership above. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:49, 30 May 2022 (UTC)Not surprisingly British rule was tenuous, if not non-existent. The Magistrate of Mirzapur, writing to the Commissioner of the Banaras Division as late as 1838, stated that the region remained 'little known to the Police and wholly so to myself or any European officer'.10 He also believed, incorrectly, that the Raja of Singrauli was an independent ruler whose domains fell outside British administered territory. Up to this date officials were unclear as to how far their authority extended southward from the Son and under whose jurisdiction this land should fall. Even jurisdiction over the Dudhi pargana located to the north of the Son river had been disputed between officials of the Banaras Division and those in Bihar.11 In the following decades little had changed. Up to the 1850s British rule over Singrauli had been signified by the presence of a single burkundaze (policeman).1
So, at least there are all nearby. Now I will examine a map of Rewa. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
It will be easier for me to just start a new WP page Singrauli estate or Singrauli estates, which I will do in the coming days and clear this confusion. Here is some more from Downs:
By the late eighteenth century the Singrauli Raj consisted of two parts: Singrauli proper in Mirzapur, the Singrauli Rajas paying a nominal sum as tribute to the original Rajput overlords; the other far more lucrative possession was the 700 villages of Nisf Singrauli in Rewah, the Rajas being tributaries of the Raja of Burhi.44 In the 1780s the Raja of Singrauli resisted by force the overlordship of the Raja of Agori-Burhur who had been granted Singrauli as a jagir by Warren Hastings.. .... In Nisf Singrauli the Singrauli Rajas had been less successful in consolidating their monopoly over landownership. Just before his death in 1817 the Burhi Raja had adopted the Maharaja of Rewah as his legal heir. The latter allowed the Raja of Singrauli to remain in possession of his land subject to a nominal yearly payment of tribute. But in 1841 the level of tribute demanded had been increased to one-quarter of the estimated profits of the state, or Rs 6,125. In 1856 Raghuraj Singh, the Maharaja of Rewah again raised the amount demanded to Rs 8,500.50 While the Singrauli Rajas had consolidated their control over their own estates, to the east of Singrauli they sought to incorporate the fertile pargana of Dudhi into their Raj. Territorial expansion into this area had been facilitated by British ignorance of local conditions in Mirzapur during the early part of the century.
I have to run now but will create a new page in the next couple of days. Thanks for asking! This business would never have cleared up otherwise. There is the precolonial and colonial confusion and there is the postcolonial boosterism, between those two real history lives very narrowly. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
The portion of Singrauli lying in the Rewah State is now held by the Raja as a muamladar.(Well, muamla, which is really mu'amala or معاملہ is the Persian/Urdu word for "matter" or "business" a mu'amaladan would be a businessman, but a mu'amaladar I'm not sure (is it as an investor, or an investment?) or is this a special kind of revenue overlord and subtracter, an absentee landlord, perhps, as the real Singrauli was 130 km for these 700 villages in Rewah state. I can't figure out yet. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian politics § Proposal : Wikipedia:Naming conventions Indian constituencies. -- Venkat TL ( talk) 13:18, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § Improper acceptance of a new proposal as policy. —usernamekiran (talk) 06:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Project members may wish to comment at this discussion. 4meter4 ( talk) 02:15, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
There is a move request at
Talk:Aurangabad (Aurangabad to Sambhajinagagar) not showing up at
Wikipedia:INAAT, so requesting here to take part in it. @
Usernamekiran: has
commented that - "the name has not been changed officially since the state legislative assembly has to present the bill for changing name to the parliament, it cant be done without a recommendation from the President. The procedure is same for city's rename like any other bill. In the end, president approves the bill
. In which case the request for move will not be valid. Requesting all for comments here as well as the talk page. -
Fylindfotberserk (
talk) 19:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Same applies to the move request at Talk:Osmanabad_district (Osmanabad district → Dharashiv district) and possibly Osmanabad (city article) → Dharashiv. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 19:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
I am currently aiming to finish setting up all the delsorts for the remaining states of India, as well as some of the more populated union territories. However, I am not sure if Indian-controlled Kashmir should be handled in the delsort system with the Pakistani- and Chinese-controlled parts, or if all the regions of Kashmir should be handled separately. More discussions at WT:DELSORT. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 00:19, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Küzholüzo Nienü#Requested move 26 June 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ~Styyx Talk? 18:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Does the village Sankhalapadar exist? In response to Template:Did you know nominations/Shanti Devi (social worker), I can only find references that mention the village in relation to Shanti Devi (social worker). It seems strange. SL93 ( talk) 05:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Editors. I am a little bit confused about the usage of the Puranic or scriptural sources as a source in the origin section of the caste community. I would request you to see the origin section of the Baidya article. The complete section is mainly based on these Puranas. These mythical origins are explained in too much detail. The technical terms, that are used in the section would rarely help a normal common reader. My query is that should The Puranas be used as a source that are inconsistent for centuries without any interpretation for some terms and information as well. My query has arisen after the instructions from the Moderator of WP:DRN, regarding the Karana Kayastha connection. You can check it here, after this I have removed all such discussions and ultimately gain consensus. Thanks, Satnam2408 ( talk) 14:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sharanya Ari until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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User4edits ( talk) 00:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
This section is heavily synthesised, mostly based on hypothetical scenarios and contains failed verification. Please give some attention to the section. Thank you. Northeast heritage ( talk) 03:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Howard from NYC ( talk) 08:14, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Q: given there are 6 billion non-Indians it would be reasonable to either:
(a) discontinue the use of these terms on wiki articles in favor of thousands-millions-billions-trillions which are more universal
(b) offer equivalences next to each such number... example: "7.6 lakh (76,000) meters of plastic pipe" ... or should that be "(760,000)"?
I'm wondering whether anyone from WP:INDIA might be willing to see if there are any non-English reliable sources which have written about Subroto Das and which might also be considered significant coverage. There are articles about Das on Punjabi and Egyptian Wikipedia but they also don't seem to be very well sourced. Given that Das' career as a cricketer seems to have pre-dated the Internet age, perhaps there's some coverage of him in offline sources like old newspapers or magazines. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 12:50, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Draupadi Murmu ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
is the leading candidate in the presidential election so it is an important article. Refs for some claims are lacking. Needs attention. Venkat TL ( talk) 17:18, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Is
DG level officer, with experience of heading notable scam investigation, serving as
Special director general of
SSB, as
Inspector general at
National Security Guard and as
Inspector general at
Special Protection Group not notable
IPS officer???
Also, the same was the first
Commissioner of Police of a state, prevented
Vishva Hindu Parishad ex-chief
Pravin Togadia from attending their party meeting (while BJP was in power of Central Govt), arrested ruling party's MLA.
With
President's Police Medal for "Meritorious Service" and
President's Police Medal For "Distinguished Service" the officer is not notable?
Moreover, taking a voluntary retirement, even after promoted to
DG level officer leaving his last 2 years service which could have designate as something more, criticised the central government's government's bureaucracy policy, such IPS officer is if notable then who is??
I am placing the issue for discussion as wiki pages of many DG level officers of India getting deleted or tagged with
Notability template. If
Scotland's Mr.
David Allan (police officer),a very lower level police officer in comparison to India's
DG level officer, can be notable, then why India's
DG level officers are not notable?
Indian Wikipedian with knowledge in this field are requested for open discussion to update Notability of higher ranked Indian Police Service officer here in Wiki. A fair policy by Wiki about India's bureaucrats' notability should be updated. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 17:30, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
The WikiProject Vital Articles is now back in business, after a long hiatus. Many India-related topics are on the vital article list such as History of India, Mahatma Gandhi, Bengali, Hindustani and India itself, which both projects would certainly love to improve upon. To join the project, click here to go to the member list. CactiStaccingCrane ( talk) 09:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Rukma Roy#Requested move 19 July 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 09:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Requesting people at WP:INB to take part in the move request Talk:Sudeep#Requested move 26 July 2022. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 09:29, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Society of Indian Law Firms until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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Greetings,
In a misplaced attempt of
whataboutism a user (probably sock) pointed out at some references (communicating in my personal user space). In any case, in good faith, I noted those @
Talk:Rape in India#A note. Requesting users to improve India related articles if those refs are suitable taking into account relevant Wikipedia policies.
Thanks and warm regards
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The National Institute of Design in India is organizing an event with editathons focusing on Women in Design from 8 to 12 Aug 2022 with support from Art+Feminism. More details here.-- Ipigott ( talk) 08:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
This article, i doubt, is hoax. It was created by an IP and uses almost 90% of sources from a particular publication or site called Regmi research site.Is it based on reliable source? Also, do the source say same, as the article portrays, i doubt, as can't have access to source. They claim that all ancient dynasty of Nepal like Lichhavi to be of Rajput origin. This is itself a big reason to believe that someone have used WP:SYNTH misused sources to write it. Can anyone tell? Admantine123 ( talk) 20:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Also, i checked Thapa dynasty, someone has inserted the word Rajput in the sentence and the source used donot say anything about it. Page 34 of the source talks about some person who claim Rajput origin, but he claims. Article should be rewritten at some places. Someone distorting these Nepali article - Admantine123 ( talk) 21:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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Should India be considered "a country where Tamil is recognized as an official language"? In a list article, this may depend on how the list criteria are defined or interpreted. Your feedback would be appreciated at this discussion. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 02:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
On behalf of Indian executive Ajit Mohan, I've submitted a draft article at AfC as part of my work at Beutler Ink. Given my conflict of interest (which I've also disclosed on the draft's Talk page), I will not publish the article to the main space and ask independent editors to review for accuracy, neutrality, and verifiability before going live. For this project, Mr. Mohan provided feedback to ensure accuracy of the entry, which is based on reputable secondary coverage. I am happy to address any questions or concerns that may arise during the review process. Might someone here be willing to take a look?
Thanks in advance for your consideration and help. Inkian Jason ( talk) 15:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Veera Madakari#Requested move 26 July 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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Please contribute to this new article draft on Jews of Color.-- Coin945 ( talk) 20:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
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Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 07:23, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
We have three pages describing administrative units called "Jammu and Kashmir"; Jammu and Kashmir (union territory), Jammu and Kashmir (state), and Jammu and Kashmir (princely state). These units did not coexist at any point, and are distinct in their territorial boundaries. However, we have any number of categories that refer to "Jammu and Kashmir" without disambiguation; this is, needless to say, dreadfully inaccurate. Combined with our tendency to use categories imprecisely, this lack of precision has made the category meaningless. Fixing this will be a bit of an exercise, I suspect, so I'm posting here in the hopes that some folks will take it on. Vanamonde ( Talk) 10:47, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
I think the simplest solution would be to let all "non-political" categories refer to the present day geographical subunits of the Kashmir region that the refer to. If they spanned multiple subunits, they can be added to the categories of those subunits as well. For political categories, e.g., Category:Chief Ministers of Jammu and Kashmir, it would make sense to separate the princely state and Indian state references. This is not that different from British India→India transition. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 18:32, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Chittoor Nagayya#Requested move 8 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 05:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Rinku Singh (wrestler)#Requested move 8 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 08:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Want to share and let you all know that Golconda diamonds is now GA. :) Omer123hussain ( talk) 14:37, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
The maps of Kashmir region have come up for discussion here off and on, but I don't recall any clear proposals being made or gaining WP:CONSENSUS.
Yet I notice that C1MM made an edit request in July to replace the map that goes into the infoboxes, changing it from the Kashmir region map to a union territory map. The infobox maps of all other subunits of Kashmir have also been changed similarly.
I am bringing this up here now because this is an undiscussed global change. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:54, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nila Devi#Requested move 12 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 15:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
The article Ezhil (programming language) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
The 'Ezhil' programming language is a non-notable programming language. I would categorise this programming language as one of those toy languages that university students implement in python/JS for hackathons or semester project. Nobody really uses these kind of Run-of-the-mill side project languages. This language doesn't deserve a Wikipedia page. It is about a 10 year old language but has only about 150 stars on Github. see https://github.com/Ezhil-Language-Foundation/Ezhil-Lang I'm not implying that GitHub stars are everything but this language is clearly not popular. Also the citations on this article are primary sources and not reliable to establish notability. Also as per the article, https://www.thehindu.com/features/education/school/making-computing-in-tamil-easy/article6713408.ece , the creator of this toy-language, Muthiah Annamalai, studied at National Institute of Technology, Trichy and University of Texas. The user who created this article has edited(see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5) both of these institutions Wikipedia pages. The person who created this article maybe known to creator of this toy-language, Muthiah Annamalai, and maybe received undisclosed payments. The author of this article has also made very disturbing edits such as, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Indian_Americans&diff=prev&oldid=89881402 , they were trying to paint an entire community as "Sexual Predators" .
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of Australian High Commissioners to India#Requested move 18 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 07:17, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sri Lankan High Commissioner to India#Requested move 18 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 07:17, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm new to assessment. I am the creator and/or main editor of several articles that are rated Start-class. From reading the WikiProject India Assessment Guide (Part 1) my understanding is that self-assessment is okay up to C-class and B-class. I would appreciate confirmation. -- Tagooty ( talk) 10:36, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Some very poor sources for a start. I don't know how reliable the publisher is for Balambal, V. (1998). Studies in the History of the Sangam Age. Delhi: Kalinga Publications. but I do know he's got at least one self-published book. [7] Husaini, Dr. S.A.Q. (1962). The History of the Pandya Country. Selvi Pathippakam, Karaikudi. Two books by him with"generic" publishers [8] [9] make me doubt him as well.
Much of it seems original research with irrelevant information even when reliably sourced. 81% was written by one editor in 2007 when standards were much laxer. Doug Weller talk 14:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Palliyadutal referred to the process of removing weeds using a toothed implement attached to a plank and drawn by oxen. Lower-class peasants used stone sling devices to scare animals and birds away from the standing crops. Sickles were used for harvesting mature rice paddies.[5] Since the rivers of the region were not perennial, several irrigation techniques were developed to ensure an adequate and continuous supply of water. Farmers used a bullock-propelled device called Kapilai for bailing out water from deep wells and a manual setup called Erram, for shallow wells.
Those two (short, but dense) articles were created by Interstice101, the first one popped up on my list at WP:NPP. I know next to nothing about the caste system or anthropology, so, for all I know, those articles could be anything among the following options:
In any case they both look somewhat
WP:OR-ish to me (I will post a notice on
WP:ORN). For instance, Ethnographic analyses of (...) [have] focused on tribal casteism in the domains of [A], [B], [C], ...
is quite
WP:SYNTH-ish (topics A, B, C do have references attached, but who can ensure that whoever wrote this has fairly represented the whole body of literature on the topic, and not picked their favorites?).
It’s not like we are drowning in Indian anthropologist editors, so it would be good to preserve the content of the articles if it has any value, but I am not able to evaluate that. Any thoughts? Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 15:33, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Aren't these the same topic? Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:07, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/India that is Bharat (book) (2nd nomination) - Will appreciate eyes esp. in light of the previous AfD. Ty, TrangaBellam ( talk) 07:00, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
So, we've got an article at AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Jammu (1399). It's a pretty big, pretty good article. The thing is, not only is not referenced, we basically can't find any references. It's been suggested that it's a hoax. Except there's tiny reference. It's just odd. It's a nice article otherwise, we hate to just dump it. There's more at the AfD. None of us can read any Indian languages. So if anyone here can take a look at it, that'd be nice, thanks. Herostratus ( talk) 00:21, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Is there someone knowledgeable of the subject who can help at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 4#2019 Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assembly election? -- Tavix ( talk) 17:12, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Bania (caste)#Requested move 22 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 18:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Our article-titles on this location— Kanchipuram district and Kanchipuram—both use "i" spelling. The district article has a mix of "i" and "ee" spellings. And the website of each (as linked from their infoboxes) uses "ee". At a minimum, each article should be self-consistent. Should each unify on "ee", or is there a WP style note or some more-reliable (for English speakers) ref that supports "i"? DMacks ( talk) 17:01, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Could somebody here look at Akalapuzha River? We've had an article since 2009 describing and categorizing it as a river, exactly as one would expect based on the title, but within the past week it's gotten substantially rewritten (mainly by anonymous IPs) to describe and recategorize it as a lake, without actually changing the title at all. So could somebody with more knowledge about it than I have confirm whether it's actually a lake or a river, and fix either the text or the page title depending on which of those two things is wrong? Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 20:05, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
I think this is the first Wikipedia article presenting a regional description of Wikipedia engagement. We have articles on Wikipedia language versions, but not currently other regions.
Check it out. Bluerasberry (talk) 21:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Our article claims (unsourced),
The members of the Constituent Assembly were elected by the provincial assemblies by a single, transferable-vote system of proportional representation. The total membership of the Constituent Assembly was 389 of which 292 were representatives of the provinces [..]
Provincial assembly elections were held in early 1946. Constituent Assembly members were elected indirectly by members of the newly elected provincial assemblies, and initially included representatives for those provinces that formed part of Pakistan (some of which are now in Bangladesh).
Is this accurate? I will like to be pointed to secondary sources which detail upon different aspects of the "election" to the Constituent Assembly of India from various provinces. TIA, TrangaBellam ( talk) 10:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Why is the Next Karnataka Legislative Assembly election article too early protected? I request someone to remove protection. 2405:201:D01B:6A77:1C89:9CF5:C272:7261 ( talk) 14:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Because you've been asking this all over the place like a kid desperately looking around for a place to go to the bathroom ...
You and other IPs have been repeatedly adding unsourced material to the article. I semi-protected for 3 days; when that expired, you went back, Jack, and did it again ... Wheel turnin' round and round, you went back, Jack and did it again (Cue the electric sitar solo; this noticeboard would be perfect for it). The reporter suggested it should be protected through the election, and I realized we don't want to keep going back, Jack ... well, you get the idea.
As has been noted elsewhere, you can always use the talk page to suggest edits, which you do not appear to have done. At all. Daniel Case ( talk) 20:50, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Dinesh MN looks like the longest start-class page you will find on WikiProject India. It needs to be cut back to perhaps one-hundredth of its present size. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:35, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
List of chief ministers of Tamil Nadu is currently a featured list, but is unlikely to remain so if nobody cleans up the prose summary. The table seems to be in decent shape, so this shouldn't be difficult work. Vanamonde ( Talk) 11:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
as clearly drafted the usage of state emblem of India. We must to create that vectorisation of the emblem as per Indian government. We need improve the vector images. We are revert back to latest and more refined vector image. ChiK ( talk) 03:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
I've provided a draft of possible updates to the Yoga template. Could you please check and comment on this - thx
Frank Samyamananda ( talk) 12:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
The page Borders of India states:
India shares land borders with seven sovereign nations. The state's Ministry of Home Affairs also recognizes a 106 kilometres (66 mi) land border with an eighth nation, Afghanistan, as part of its claim of the Kashmir region (see Durand Line). [1]
So what do we about this? Should we also start writing about Pakistan's claimed border with Tibet and China's claimed border with Nagaland? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 19:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ashok (actor)#Requested move 6 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 19:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
This article needs some attention and work up. Edits such this are a bit concerning — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 21:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Vettuva Gounder has been waiting to be reviewed at AfC for over four months now. Would anyone at this WikiProject be willing or able to assist in reviewing the draft? TipsyElephant ( talk) 16:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Flag of India for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 20:19, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm looking at Talk:Daivadnya#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_September_2022 and it seems legit to me to remove Christianity from the infobox, as that seems to be historical. The tone of the request makes me think there is context I'm unaware of, however. I'd appreciate any input anyone could offer. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 22:23, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
An article of interest to this WikiProject, r.e.: Bhagalpur Municipal Corporation, has been proposed for a merge with Bhagalpur. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Felix QW ( talk) 14:48, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Vindhyavasini#Requested move 13 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 04:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
The article has been repeatedly subject to MOS:PUFFERY by several new accounts, including one named Amitabh Kant. Despite warning each of these new accounts about the MOS and potential conflicts of interest, a new account is created almost every week and attempts to update the article with the subject's personal website, a long list of non-notable facts (e.g. a list of TV appearances on news debates, none of which are individually noteworthy, random magazine rankings, etc), and there have also been one or two incidents of unexplained content blanking. Last week I had to remove three separate sections that were created by a new account, all of which linked back to promotional content related to the subject's website. I requested semi-protection but it was not granted. I could use some help from an experienced editor in cleaning up the article and removing promotional/irrelevant content. Thanks. - Naushervan ( talk) 05:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:A. Mohan#Requested move 13 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 18:13, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
List of Yadav people is full of WP:BLP violations, as self-identification is missing in most cases. In fact, the page has become a free-for-all, as editors are adding entries where "Yadav" doesn't seem to even appear anywhere, let alone self-identification or even providing a reliable source for caste verification. It seems an editor removed most of the BLP violations a few months ago. But someone again added a large number of them. Pinging Fylindfotberserk to see if they are familiar with this list, especially the cleanup edits. If yes, then that version should be restored. At the very least, it needs extended confirmed protection. Otherwise, there is no way to fix it. So pinging RegentsPark and Abecedare as well. - NitinMlk ( talk) 20:47, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
PS: List of Yadav politicians also has the same issues! - NitinMlk ( talk) 20:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a dispute on Talk:Raju_Srivastav#Look_alike_of_Amitabh_Bachchan_? where some users are using claims of Srivastav to add in Wikipedia voice that he is a look alive of AB. Please see. Venkat TL ( talk) 16:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Our article on author Ved Prakash Sharma has a list of almost 200 of his works, in Devanagari characters (Hindi, I'm guessing.)
Can anybody put this into English?
Thanks - 2804:14D:5C59:8693:68DD:6E9:A6D6:8D46 ( talk) 02:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Simranjit Singh Mann § Indian Express seems to have copied this article. Venkat TL ( talk) 17:19, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps someone from WP:INDIA could take a look at Peringottukara Devasthanam Sree Vishnumaya Swami Temple and assess it? It was created directly in the mainspace. It needs some formatting fixes and other cleanup, but the main problem have to do whether it meets WP:GNG. I'm not sure whether there is a specific WP:SNG for temples or other places of worship, and I'm not sure if such subjects are treated primarily as buildings, organizations or a combination of both. FWIW, I came across this via WP:THQ#why iam not able to move my page to wikepedia? and the creator Globifydigital is a relatively new WP:SPA whose only edits so far have been related to creating this article. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone here know very much about the Talk:Sino-Indian War#Chinese treatment of Indians? There is a section on the Indian government's treatment of Chinese people, yet does not mention China's treatment of Indians? Does anyone here have any insights or sources regarding this particular issue? Obiwanbridget ( talk) 10:59, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi guys, having seen some articles about historical events and persons that are not very widely known, I've realised that most of it is extremely unreliable. Normal nationalist POV-pushing happens usually in popular articles, but the less known ones are victims of caste-warriors, who will make their caste win a war without any reference. Not just IPs, who are usually caught due to patrollers, but long-time editors too. Look at my reversal of a hoax. It's easy to introduce hoaxes using names of real books, thinking who would ever read that, patrollers miss out on that (see article history), until someone actually reads the book. This isn't one or two articles, according to Wikipedia, the Battle of Malpura has been won by Jaipur & Marathas & Rajputs (who aren't mentioned in belligerents but whatever) at different points of article history. Sorry, but somewhere we've failed and niche historical Indian topics are more unreliable than they are reliable. (Also, keep an eye on Slayer 7928 (used no ping) who I believe is one such caste-warrior, read userpage.) — CX Zoom[he/him] ( let's talk • { C• X}) 21:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello. Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Gautama Buddha#Requested move 5 October 2022. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 11:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Could you help to disambiguate links to Muslim Students Federation? The links shown here should either go to All India Muslim Students Federation or Muslim Students Federation (I. U. M. L.) (or possibly Muslim Students Federation (Kerala unit)) but without specialised knowledge the context sometimes makes it difficult to see which.— Rod talk 17:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Whether recent superstition related case has already been covered in any article? If not then I shall propose the same to be covered in Superstition in India article.
Thanks
Bookku (
talk) 09:46, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Ayurveda § Indian Supreme Court on Wikipedia article on Ayurveda. Venkat TL ( talk) 19:23, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Bharat Jodo Yatra. 2405:201:D01B:60BD:48E8:C100:A581:C74 ( talk) 12:52, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Political integration of India for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 22:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nawabs of Bengal and Murshidabad#Requested move 20 October 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 13:05, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I haven't used wikipedia much in the past few months, so I apologize for any mistakes. I've noticed that pages on villages of India are quite low-quality. Many use sources on the spam blacklist (for example, as of making this post, 275 articles use villageinfo.in). A lot have poor grammar, though this could be just due to the fact that I'm an American reading Indian English. Others have useless trivia, and read more like a travel guide (For example, the page of Elappally talked about a waterfall in a very travel-guide like manner, which I have improved). Others have long lists of nearby villages, many of which don't seem to serve any purpose. I've tried to do what I can to improve articles, but the fact that I'm on a school computer, lack the knowledge of India to factually correct it, and the simple fact that there's so many of these pages has made it difficult. Any suggestions or help would be much appreciated. Eridian314 ( talk) 14:23, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Is it kosher, as here, to say that Agra was in an entity known as the Maratha confederacy at the time of Ghalib's birth? According to the history section of the Agra page, Agra was under the influence of the Marathas (also, apparently, Jats, Rajputs, et al) but does that translate to a nation state entity? -- RegentsPark ( comment) 15:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I nominated the article @ Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/Nominations#K. R. Narayanan . IMO the article seem to have scope and reason for further level of improvement, if some more users can pitch in. Bookku ( talk) 05:20, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Chadhaibhol#Requested move 21 October 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 21:59, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
I came to know from The Signpost that one " Tuhin Sinha" — involved with the Bharatiya Janata Party — has filed a defamation suit against Wikimedia Foundation and all (?) of its administrators as a reaction to the community's March 2022 decision to delete the article about him. Interested audience can navigate to this official website, fill DLSE010052712022 in the CNR field, and solve the captcha to remain abreast of the day-to-day proceedings. The Foundation has been issued summons and the next hearing is scheduled for 15 December 2022. TrangaBellam ( talk) 08:43, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
counter[] systemic bias, the Foundation is even looking at using oral testimony. Andreas believes this to be a valid defense of his usage of questionable sources (including a matrimonial website and a publication, declared unreliable by the Indian Cinema Task Force) and goes on to propose that Indian sources be held to lower standards of reliability derived from Alexa ranks. I do not know whether to be genuinely concerned or feign concern; so, leaving it to the wisdom of fellow INB-editors/admins like Kautilya3, Tayi Arajakate, RegentsPark and others. TrangaBellam ( talk) 16:07, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
What makes the man notable? His novels? Or his spokesmanship, c.q. his role in BJP-politics? I guess the last, given writings like this, which seems to me to be an apology fo religious violence. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 20:00, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
The Times of India sees itself not as an agenda-setter but as a bulletin board, a mirror to what happened yesterday. The first section had many ads, and there were several advertising supplements.... The paper’s innovations begin in its eight-page second section, which is titled the Bombay Times but is known in-house as Page Three. ... Jain explained that, like the surrounding stories, it was
written by members of the reporting staff and paid for by the celebrities or their publicists. Most of the section was filled with ads, or with stories that were ads; a similar section appears in each city in which the Times is published. An internal company report in June lauded the strategy as “so important that todaynearly all Bollywood movie releases pay for promotional coverage ahead of movie releases, and actors/actresses pay to develop their brand through coverage in the paper.” Tucked under the section’s masthead, four words in small type inform the reader that the contents are an “advertorial, entertainment promotional feature.” Jain insisted that this meets the transparency test. “It’s on my masthead,” he said. “It says ‘advertorial’ clearly. All newspapers in the world do advertorials.” But in the Jains’ newspapersthe advertorials are written by staff reporters, and a reader needs a magnifying glass to be alerted.
References
I see that there are numerous occurrences of terms like " Home Secretary of India", " Foreign Secretary of India" etc. similar to the corrsponding terms used for the US or UK. This is entirely inappropriate. These are bureaucratic positions, not constitutional positions. The corresponding "of India" titles can only be applied to ministers in India, not to bureaucrats. The correct language is either " Home Secretary in the Government of India" or just " Home Secretary".
On the other hand, " Comptroller and Auditor General of India" is ok. It is a constitutional position. See this clean-up edit, for example.
I would like to urge everybody to avoid such terms, and remove them whenever they run into them. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 23:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Satyajit Ray for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 ( talk) 16:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Has there been a previous discussion about which of the following formats is preferable?
Wobblygriswold and I have differing opinions on the topic, with them preferring the second option based on MOS:COMMONALITY ("ten million is preferable to one crore (Indian English).") and I, the first one based on "better matching the sources and more accessible to both Indian and non-Indian readers."
To be clear: in instances where only one number system is being presented, I completely agree that million, billion etc should be preferable to lakhs, crores etc. Abecedare ( talk) 23:43, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Article Sabitha Beegam is @ deletion discussion, likely to be one of first Muslim woman mayors in India. There seem to be lack of sources. Can some one help find helpful sources including Malayalam and help salvage the article if possible.
Also help @ WP:RD/H @ Muslim women mayors in India (post 1947) is requested. Bookku ( talk) 10:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
There is an RfC at talk:2022 Morbi bridge collapse#RfC: ₹4 lakh or ₹400,000 about the use of lakh (and crore) that might have wider implication than that specific article. Thryduulf ( talk) 02:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
An input request about 'Indian Non-vegetarian food culture' @ WP:DUE
Bookku ( talk) 07:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Above mentioned discussion @ WP:DUE is moved on to consider whether topic Non-vegetarian deserves an independent article at all? Do share your inputs @ @ WP:DUE. 12:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Paddu#Requested move 8 November 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:23, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
I have been reading his columns recently and then he got invited to a Q&A at the India Today Conclave, where he managed to explain better what he is talking about. Please do watch it. It helps us interpret the media and academic coverage of India.
His previous column is here:
-- Kautilya3 ( talk) 11:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
In 2018 [Babones] published The New Authoritarianism: Trump, Populism, and the Tyranny of Experts on Donald Trump and his administration. Lacking in sources and notes, it was not intended to be an academic monograph but rather serve as a political screed. Babones welcomed Trump's populist approach to governance as a dissent against the usual "tyranny of unelected authoritarian experts" in liberal democracies; rejecting allegations of authoritarianism, he found Trump's administration effective and credited Trump with strengthening democratic ideals by returning power to the electorate.
Another talk at the Nehru Centre in London, much more detailed. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 18:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
One editor is objecting to the use of Vajpeyi on the Rajput page. She has been used extensively on the Bhonsale page. Descriptions of Rajputs in Dharmashastras is discussed in great detail in Vajpeyi. I find this source very reliable given her qualifications as well as the publication.
When I added this section here [ [19]] it was reverted here [20]. Their initial objection was The whole page has been bombarded with the particular way of writing the content. We have already discussed the community using various Historians on the subject.
Their next objection was the Vajpeyi is not reliable. When I explained her qualifications, the next objection was she has not been cited. Then I showed that the specific paper that discusses Shivaji, Rajputs and the Dharmashastras is cited ten times [21], their objection now is that her opinion on dharmashastras has not been cited in a tertiary source hence she is unreliable.
Here is the quote from Vajpeyi's paper:
[quote on page 257: section RAJPUTS ACCORDING TO THE DHARMASASTRA: Whatever the realities of Rajputization among powerful tribal families seeking to enter the varna system with a certain status, and emigre brahmanas helping them to do so, by brahmanical dharmasastra definitions prevalent in Shivaji’s lifetime, Rajputs are a miscegenated jati produced from non-alike fathers and mothers of specified types. According to the Sudrakamalakara, an authoritative Sanskrit text on the dharma of sudras written by Gagabhatta’s own uncle, Kamalakarabhatta, in the early part of the seventeenth century, the progeny of a ksatriya man and a sudra woman would be an ugra, otherwise known as a rajaputa.33 Such a person does battle and is expert in wielding weapons, but he must follow the duties proper to a sudra. In Kamalakara’s classification, being a sankarajati, or mixed group, ugras, or rajaputas are sudrasamana, as goodas (or as bad as!) sudras. [footnote]‘Ugra’ literally means ‘scary’, or ‘ferocious’.In equating the ugra and the rajap"uta, medieval dharmashastra writers nodoubt intended to refer to the warlike properties of the class of person they were describing.See Kamalakarabhatta, ‘Jatinirnayaprakaranam’, in his ®Sudrakamalakara,p. 255. A progeny whose father has a higher varna than the mother, as in this case,is called an anulomaja, or ‘one born in accordance with the natural flow’ (that is,the descending order) of social hierarchy, from man (superior) to woman (inferior).Kamalakara lists the ugra among the six types of anulomajas (ibid.: 254–5). An earlier text in this genre, the ®Sudracarasiromani by Sesakrsna, also provides thesame definition of a rajaputa (Ibid.: 15)
(source:Traditions in motion:Religion and Society in History(Ananya Vajpeyi, 2005),Oxford University Press, editors=Supriya Varma, Satish Saberwal)
Moreover, her observation in the Dharmashastras is also supported by a secondary source and a tertiary source(textbook):
source: Social Life in Ancient India (Sudhakar Chattopadhyaya, 1965, pg 18)Kane points out that according to the Sahyadrikhaṇḍa and Sūdrakamalākara an Ugra is called Rajput while according to the Jativiveka he is also called Ravut
source:(textbook)Unit-14 Social structure and gender relations: c. 700-1200 CE Kumar, Prem; Kapur, Nandini Sinha(historian)Divergent social groups got incorporated in the new socio-political fold of rajputras including Shudras. That’s why the Brihaddharmapurana regarded rajputras as a mixed caste and Shudra-kamalakara equates the Rajputs with ugra, a mixed caste born of the union of a Kshatriya man and a Shudra woman.
@ Trangabellum: and Fowler&fowler , is it fine to use her on the page for Rajputs in Dharmashastras - a topic that is missing? Do you have any objection? This topic has also been discussed in a tertiary textbook. Of note, the editor who is objecting has a pattern of deleting text or opposing adding text that makes the Rajput community appear in a bad light. Interestingly, he had no objection to my addition of the section on Rajput#Hospitability or Rajput#Religion_and_Rajput_Women - those sections are full of praise. Thanks for your input. LukeEmily ( talk) 17:55, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
TrangaBellam ( talk) 11:01, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Founded in 1966, the Department of South Asian Languages & Civilizations emphasizes the comprehensive humanistic understanding of the South Asian region. Historical, social, literary, and political issues of South Asia are addressed here through close textual analysis and detailed studies of South Asian cultural forms.
. LukeEmily ( talk) 11:49, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Divergent social groups got incorporated in the new socio-political fold of rajputras including Shudras. That’s why the Brihaddharmapurana regarded rajputras as a mixed caste and Shudra-kamalakara equates the Rajputs with ugra, a mixed caste born of the union of a Kshatriya man and a Shudra woman.
The distinction between tertiary and secondary sources is important, because Wikipedia's no original research policy states: "Articles may make an analytic, evaluative, interpretive, or synthetic claim only if that has been published by a reliable secondary source." Thus, such claims cannot be cited to tertiary or primary sources.. It is possible I am misunderstanding this statement. Nandini Kapur is PhD in history as per her linkedin. The textbook is a university textbook that they use in India and the chapters are contributed by several historians. "History Of India From C. 300 To 1206" Since it is a tertiary source and not a secondary source, we are not using it. The specific dharmashastra is written in the early 1600s when Rajput did exist. I agree with TB about the comparison between Nandini Kapur and Dr.Vajpeyi. LukeEmily ( talk) 12:24, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
, this is another one from Ms Lindsay Harlan's book- From the Margin's of Hindu Marriage in the Chapter The Effectiveness of the Hindu Sacrament (Samskara): Caste, Marriage, and Divorce in Bengali Culture, page number 148.[ [28]] -8From a Brahmin man by a Vaisya girl* is born a son called Ambastha; and by a Śūdra girl, a Niṣāda, also called Pārasava. "From a Ksatriya man by a Śūdra girl is born a son called Ugra, who is cruel in his behavior and in his dealings, a being with the physical characteristics of both a Ksatriya and a Śüdra. 10 A Brahmin's children by the three lower classes, a Ksatriya's by the two lower classes, and a Vaisya's by the one lower class-tradition calls these six "low-born" (10.46 n.). "From a Kṣatriya man by a Brahmin girl is born a Sūta by caste; sons of a Vaisya by Ksatriya and Brahmin women are a Magadha and a Vaideha, respectively; 12and from a Śūdra by Vaisya, Ksatriya, and Brahmin women are born respectively an Ayogava, a Kṣattr, and a Canḍāla, the worst of all men so originate the intermixture of classes. 13 As when there is a difference of two classes in a birth, tradition calls them Ambastha and Ugra if the difference is in the direct order, in like manner they are Kṣatr and Vaideha, if it is in the inverse order.
on Page 159, the writer clarifies that it is Ugra community locally called as Aguris-The Brahmans asked the Ugras (whose name means “vi¬ olent" or “cruel"), who were physically strong (balavat) and brave, to follow the occupation of Ksatriyas in warfare. The Magadhas, who were unwilling to fight because of the necessity of killing (himsa), were asked to be bards (vandT) to Brahmans and Ksatriyas, to carry messages, and to study the Ksatraveda (Sanskrit works on warfare).
Here is another A R Desai page 453 in State and Society in India-My own fieldwork had not brought me into contact with Vaidyas, al¬ though I have a good many acquaintances among persons of this caste in Calcutta and elsewhere. The Aguri caste, who consider themselves the modern representatives of the Ugras and refer to themselves as Ugra Ksatriyas, are heavily concentrated in Burdwan district and the immediately surrounding areas.
, there are multiple writers who are saying otherwise using same primary reference of Dharmashastra and Ancient texts. So, it becomes important we seek WP: Tertiary. This was my main argument. We have already given 25 pages on Rajput Origin including various opinions. I request bigger editors like you to definitely look at this case here. Thanks and Regards. Akalanka820 ( talk) 12:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)A Bengali version of the martial style is the Ugra-Kshatriya jati, Ugra meaning "hot-tempered." They are characterized in Lal Behari Day's novel of 1872 about his village in Burdwan district as "a bold and somewhat fierce race, and less patient of any injustice or oppression than the ordinary Bengal raiyat." An account of the same village as of 1962 quotes this passage and comments that the Ugra-Kshatriyas ("a strong, courageous community") still show the same characteristics. Their origin myth (from Manu X.9.) told of their descent from a Kshatriya man and a Sudra girl, and so they were not given unequivocal Kshatriya standing, but "they are now claiming themselves to be Kshatriyas and are trying to acquire the status of the twice-born themselves" (Basu 1962, pp. 24, 36).
There are six languages that the government of India has given the designation "classical language" (see Languages of India#Classical languages of India). These include for example Odia and Kannada. For some of their speakers, this appears to be a source of immense pride, and they come to Wikipedia and insist that the fact should be stated very prominently in the respective articles. So, I'm requesting opinions on the best place for a language article to mention the classical designation.
Half of those articles used to go for it right from the first sentence (e.g. "X is a classical Dravidian language of India.") That's bad for a number of reasons. First, for the great majority of readers, the term " classical language" evokes images of antiquity and languages that are long dead. That's hardly the best impression to give in an introductory sentence (five of the six "classical languages" of India are alive and thriving). Also, this designation is pretty low on the list of salient facts that are worth mentioning from the get to (like language classification, region where spoken, number of speakers, official status, writing system, etc.). So, in my view, the "classical language" stuff should absolutely be kept out of the first paragraph of the lede.
Should it be mentioned later in the lede though? For five of the six articles, it currently is. I'm less certain here, though I don't think I see that as a good idea either. It seems much better for an article to comment on aspects of the fundamental reality that led to the designation (i.e. the old and extensive literary tradition) rather than flaunt the designation itself, which doesn't seem to have much of an impact on things in the world (in contrast to, say, a scheduled status). So, thoughts anyone? – Uanfala ( talk) 22:17, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
The page which had been Gautama Buddha was unsuccessfully proposed for a change to Siddhartha Gautama, then successfully changed to The Buddha, and is now being proposed for a change to Buddha. Your input and expertise would be most welcome at: Talk:The_Buddha#Requested_move_25_November_2022 Best, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 04:02, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I'm asking for assistance to expand the critical reception section for Middle Class Love and Nazar Andaaz. Hope to get positive response soon. Thanks for your consideration. C1K98V ( 💬 ✒️ 📂) 05:06, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Please participate at this discussion where I propose to merge The Battle for Sanskrit to the article of Rajiv Malhotra, the author. Thanks, TrangaBellam ( talk) 19:05, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
I am facing some perceived subtle racism on Wikipedia. The editors seem to have fixed notions that Indian news sources are paid / bad / unreliable / low grade etc. One of them called me a PR professional. The discussions are at Talk page of Draft:Ronnie Lahiri and Teahouse - Draft Ronnie Lahiri. Any suggestions how to deal with this ? Lord Alan B'stard ( talk) 01:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
Such being the case, there is no need to market the subject over Wikipedia either using fawning language. TrangaBellam ( talk) 05:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[T]his production house is a very low profile non-mainstream production house [..] and [] is known for not marketing their movies.
The following colleges from Varanasi had been recently redirected to another article with little information about the colleges:
I have reverted the edits. However, how do they not satisfy WP:UNIN? Thanks, User4edits ( talk) 10:00, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
In the edit summaries, they cite WP:UNIN as their justification; they seem not to have read the full policy, in which case they would have encountered WP:NFACULTY.~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 11:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Indian Diaspora (Overseas Indian)#Requested move 28 November 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 02:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sanjay Kumar Singh (politician)#Requested move 3 December 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Mdaniels5757 ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Requesting more input at this AFD which is, in part, trying to determine if elected members of Autonomous administrative divisions of India meet WP:NPOL. S0091 ( talk) 17:57, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Can somebody explain what the ARBCOM just did? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:40, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
A PROD was added to Embassy of India School Moscow (a.k.a. Kendriya Vidyalaya Moscow). I'm wondering if any users with access to databases of Indian newspapers can find sources about the establishment of Embassy of India School Moscow? The school was established in 1987, so the initial articles should be sometime in the 1980s.
Thank you, WhisperToMe ( talk) 12:38, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Solanki#Requested move 17 December 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 14:49, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Akal Takht#Requested move 15 December 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 14:21, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
Request for expending the article for the volunteers having expertise in the field. DrJNU ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Do they pass WP:NLIST? (I just stumbled upon List of Kurubas and Dhangars where most entries of contemporary people in this one fail our requirement for self identification) — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 18:46, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
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List_of_Brahmins has many violations of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy. Often sources cited in the article do not state that the subjects are Brahmin, but only state that they were born in a Brahmin family. Eg Arjun Rampal's interview cited in the article says that his father was a Brahmin, not himself. He says that his mother was not a Brahmin, thus making him a non-Brahmin according to dharmasastras. Neither him nor others claim that he is a Brahmin. This is also true for many other entries in this list. Most of the additions were made by User:Brohman54 who is now blocked. someone needs to clean this list. 103.197.115.42 ( talk) 09:40, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I recently started an article on Street Cricket (video game series) (Street Cricket Champions/Move Street Cricket), a game series developed and released only in India. As such, they're really only mentioned in Indian media, which I don't have easy access to besides whatever is online and in English. There has been some debate as to which of the sources I found online are valid, although I used the best looking ones I could find. Is there anyone here who might be able to help? Thanks, Londonbeat41692 ( talk) 01:32, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
The recent changes by an IP user (1.38.104.185) in pages such as Tamils, Early Cholas, Education in ancient Tamil country, Chola dynasty, etc. may require a review. Not sure if the cited source ( [29]) is reliable. For example, it is used to push the early dates of the Sangam Era (300 BCE) to 3020 BCE. Although I initially tried reverting some of these, the IP user reverted it back. So seeking expert opinion on this. Thanks. Rasnaboy ( talk) 17:26, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Found the page Kabban Mirza on Random Article.
Anyone here who could improve it, please? Tbf69 20:12, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Uttarakhand has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 21:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
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The talk page of Ayodhya-prayagraj ( talk · contribs) is full of warnings about their activist, POV editing, including attempts to remove 'Faizabad' in numerous articles (21 articles so far today). I expect they will be blocked soon by an admin for WP:DISRUPTION and/or WP:NOTHERE, but that still leaves a backlog of numerous articles they have touched, that may need to be removed by a bot, if possible, or by anyone here willing to help out. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 22:15, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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Seeking some nuanced details regarding Carnatic music, @ Talk:R. K. Padmanabha#"Clarification needed" tags
Bookku (
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A proposal, an inbox for Indian states and Union Territories. How about?
There is some work, Template:Infobox Indian state or territory please give a review or contribute.
After a proper development, can it be used as an infobox on Wikipedia pages of Indian states and territories ?
{ I know this template has many mistakes and many tasks are not fulfilled with documentation, my knowledge of wiki markup language ( wikitext ) is not enough, it is inspired by other present templates and infoboxes. Please help the development of this template by pointing out errors or correcting them . Thank you very much. } Tojoroy20 ( talk) 10:59, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, I have suggested merging Recognition of same-sex unions in Andhra Pradesh with Recognition of same-sex unions in India. The article appeared in NPR queue and I felt there is not very much that merits a standalone articles but I welcome your opinions. I am not an expert on this subject and would love to know your insightful opinions in the discussion. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 12:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Malaikottai Valiban#Requested move 21 January 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 13:33, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Economic development in India has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. —Femke 🐦 ( talk) 21:16, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Now that it has international coverage and GNG, this would need to be properly created. Perhaps @ Kautilya3 @ Vanamonde93 @ TrangaBellam @ RegentsPark @ Tayi Arajakate one of you has time for that? — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 11:03, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Is anyone familiar with the Rajput Mali topic? The subject's notability seems questionable. To make things worse, an SPA has moved it to a dubious title without any discussion: [30]. So, someone needs to move it back without leaving a redirect. - NitinMlk ( talk) 20:24, 15 January 2023 (UTC)