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File:Seal of Uttarakhand.svg seems to have been somehow embedded into Portal:Uttarakhand and User:Buaidh/sandbox, but I can't seem to figure out how it was done. The file is being added to articles where the portal is being used which is not allowed by the NFCCP. Can anyone figure out how to remove the file? Same problem with File:Arunachal Pradesh Seal.svg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:51, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
File:Salt Bae.webm on
Salt Bae was removed by
Hullaballoo Wolfowitz saying fails NFCC#8, not primary article subject
. However 8 says Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.
, which doesn't say about being the primary article subject. The omission is detrimental in my view as the meme is very difficult to understand without seeing it, and therefore its presence would be significantly increased.
Emir of Wikipedia (
talk) 13:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm adding a link to c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Cars (film) here because a suggestion has been made to move some files nominated for deletion on Commons to Wikipedia as WP:NFC#non-free content. Since Commons does not accept non-free files, some editors there might not be too familiar with WP:NFCCP; so, any comments on whether this might be possible would be helpful. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 14:39, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
This happened recently at ANI [3] where an image where one editor thought an image fell into PD was pointed out that due to URAA and other aspects, it still remains as non-free.
I do wonder if it would be helpful to have a set of templates that editors can apply (optional!) that conform to the various copyright tables so that future editors can use those to determine when a work falls into PD and take appropriate actions. This would by necessity have to be optional, and any concerted effort should start with works pre-1950, but could be useful otherwise. -- MASEM ( t) 13:34, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
As we know from past discussions, currency articles on Wikipedia enjoy a special (unwritten, but nonetheless extant) exemption to the non-free content policy on minimal use. Liberal use of non-free imagery is permitted on currency articles, such as Banknotes of the Australian dollar. As such, 12 of the top 25 articles for the use of non-free imagery are currency articles (see list).
Today, I had a look at this report and saw a new "first place", which had previously been held for a long time by Western painting or History of painting. The new first place holder is Vehicle registration plates of Arkansas which contains 99 non-free images, more than double the now second place holder. This isn't isolated to one article. There are a few other entries on this report that refer to license plate pages.
Years ago, this used to be policed as an overuse situation with respect to WP:NFLISTS. I haven't touched such an article for a very long time. I'm wondering if there is a special exemption similar to the situation with currency articles? Such pages would be devoid of much of the content they need to be complete. If there isn't such an exemption, should there be one? -- Hammersoft ( talk) 18:41, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Can someone please clarify whether WP:NFCC#9 applies to article talk pages and how it applies if it does? I removed File:Crypt keeper crime patrol 15.jpg from Talk:Harvard University with this edit, but the file was subsequently re-added here by X4n6 citing WP:TPO. I removed the file again and a discussion about the use was started at User talk:Marchjuly#WP:TPO. The discussion was originally at User talk:X4n6, but that was subsequently removed.
Anyway, there seems to be some disagreement as to how the wording "images are linked, not inlined, from talk pages when they are a topic of discussion" in NFCC#9 is to be interpreted. It seems that X4n6 feels that non-free images not used as the topic of discussion on are OK to use (i.e., displayed) on article talk pages and do not need to be linked. If that's the case, the last two sentences of WP:TPG#Hiding or resizing images need to be revised accordingly and it should be clarified as to whether the seperate specific non-free use rationale required by WP:NFCC#10c would still need to be provided for article talk page use. Adding this type of usage to as an exemption per WP:NFEXMP should also be discussed if its going to be allowed. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:21, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Since I've been pinged here, I'll simply weigh in briefly to note that the conversation Marchjuly and I had on his talk page should be reviewed in it's entirety. It's relatively brief. But both positions are articulated there; and there are sections in the guidance which appear to conflict. X4n6 ( talk) 06:34, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm wondering how the NFCCP people deals with non-free images of bands, which may be currently off-and-on active, but also have an original member who is now deceased. For example, File:180px-Remy Zero.jpg is being used for the band Remy Zero. Apparently the band was last active in 2010 when it re-formed to perform some memorial shows for one of their members who died earlier that year. So, assuming that the bad stays inactive, I could possibly see how the non-free use of the photo of the original members might be an exception per item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI. Maybe the copyright license and rationale need to be tweaked to better clarify this. Perhaps {{ Non-free biog-pic}} should be used instead as the copyright license? Anyway, suppose the band re-forms again or someone releases an image from a previous performance under a free license. How would this affect the infobox image? Would it still be OK to keep and simply move to another part of the article per the same "deceased member" justification, or would it need to go? Obviously, members of bands do eventually die and there might be lots of freely licensed/PD photos of original lineups when the band is well-known and popular, but the same might not be said for smaller less well-known bands. Loking at this particular image, I would tend to think that non-free use might not be justified if everyone were still living, so the primary justification seems (once again) to be that one of the original members is deceased. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:05, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Currently a non-free image is being used for Ray Kroc, but given who he was and the number of images him of him available online [4], it seems that maybe one of them might be {{ PD-US-no notice}}, {{ PD-USgov}} or something. Is there a particular way to go about doing such a search without having to click on each an every image? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:52, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
I often add this template after removing a non-free file being inappropriately used in an article, etc. The template, however, makes specific reference to image files which makes it a bit tricky to use for other non-free files such as .ogg files. Assuming that the NFCCP applies to all non-free files in the same manner, it might be a good idea to tweak the wording about to change "images" to "files" or "content" accordingly.
Also, I am wondering if it might be a good idea to create a higher level template which can be used after the "level 1" template if necessary. I'm not sure if four levels are needed, but maybe something a little more strongly worded to indicate that repeated violations of the NFCCP may lead to administrator action. I realize that some may feel that templates such as these are of questionable value, and I think that trying to explain about the NFCCP is better than simply filling up someone's user talk with uw templates; however, it might be helpful to show that additional warning were given if ANI/AN3 does becomes necessary and some editors might possibly pay more attention to File:Stop hand nuvola.svg or File:Nuvola apps important.svg than File:Information.svg. Anyway, just a suggestion. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 21:46, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
I've noticed that there are quite a number of "List of XXX" articles which contain lots of non-free images. Many of these images appear to have been originally used in a stand-alone articles, or a different article, but were subsequently merged/split off into a list article. In other cases, a non-image is provided (sometimes with an infobox) for each item of the list along with a short section about the character, etc. Here are some examples I came across: List of Dad's Army characters, List of Monster Jam video games, List of songs featured in Shrek and List of Winx Club characters. Normally, non-free images are not allowed for indovidual entries in a list article per WP:NFLISTS, right? Does the same apply to individual subsections, or merged sections, etc.? Is an infobox or seperate subsection all that is needed to justify non-free because that does seem to be what many editors are assuming. I understand that evaluating each use on a case-by-case basis is needed, but I'm interested in knowing whether merges or splits are another one of the "unwritten exceptions" to the NFCCP that occasionaly pop up in non-free content discussions. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:03, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
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in the rationales for the previous use. Non-free use justification is generally considered to be harder for images not used as the primary means of identification outside of the main infobox, right? Should images being used as the primary means of indentification in sub-sections merged into articles be given special consideration in cases where they are just there for indentification purposes and not the subject of any critical commentary? It's not just character list articles, but also things such as
List of Monster Jam video games,
List of Pokémon theme songs,
2012 in UFC,
Scouting in Pennsylvania and
History of British film certificates which seem to think a rationale and possibly an infobox provide more than enough justification for non-free use. Maybe the non-free use of files being used as the primary means of identifiction in article sections needs more clarification because it seems that many feel it's no different from the non-free use of files being used as the primary means of identification of an entire article? --
Marchjuly (
talk) 23:46, 29 September 2017 (UTC)I have some questions about the non-free use of File:Brian Eley.jpg. The subject is still living (apparently), so if the file was being used in a BLP about a typical chess player, then it would probably fail WP:NFCC#1 since it would be assumed that a freely licensed equivalent could still be created. In this case, the subject just happens to be a chess player notable for other things as well. According to the article, he has been on the run from police since 1991. I understand that non-free images are often allowed for identification purposes of indivisuals who are fugitives or incarcerated, but usually the photo tends to reflect the reasons for the individual's Wikipedia notability as long as WP:MUG is not an issue. There don't appear to be many images of Levy available online regardless of licensing (there is this one) and I don't forsee any free equivalents being created in the near future unless his current situation chages drastically; however, I'm still not sure if this is appropriately being used in the article. If non-free use is OK in this case, the file should probably should be moved up to the top of the article and the rationale (and maybe the license) should be changed accordingly to refelct how its use is justified, shouldn't it? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:43, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Can an exception to the policy to not display non-free images in tables for articles about license plates be granted?
This morning an editor removed 11 non-free content images from the Automobile License Plate Collectors Association article stating, "Please do not use fair use images in tables. It doesn't meet policy." The main article for Wikipedia:Non-free content states the following.
"The use of non-free images arranged in a gallery or tabular format is usually unacceptable, but should be considered on a case-by-case basis. Exceptions should be very well-justified and alternate forms of presentation (including with fewer images) strongly considered."
There really does not seem to be an alternate form of presentation other than to just eliminate whole sections of images from various license plate articles. Almost all of the license plate pages, such as Vehicle registration plates of Illinois have these images in tables. If this user continues doing this, much of the imagery for the majority of modern license plate pages will be removed. The removed images have the appropriate fair use license in Wikipedia.
The editor did not post anything to the talk page before making this edit, and I don't want to revert unjustifiably.
Thank you for your assistance. Zcarstvnz ( talk) 16:46, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Are there any requirements specific to non-free content file names or is just following WP:FNC sufficient? In principle, non-free files are local files whose use is limited to Wikipedia, and English is the language expected to be used on English Wikipedia. I realize that citations to non-English sources is allowed per WP:NOENG, but those citations ideally are supposed to be properly formatted to include an English description for readers. File names are supposed to be descriptive enough and accurate enough to allow users to easily identify what the file is supposed to be, but a non-English file name may not. I guess such cases the non-free use rationale(s) for the files would be written in English so maybe the actual name itself does not matter. At the same time, this kind of seems like an article title being in a foreign language with the article content in English. Anyway, the reason I'm asking about this is because I came across File:जवाहर नवोदय विद्यालय.jpg, a non-free file which is likely soon to be deleted for one reason or another. If, however, the file is kept, I am wondering if the file should be tagged with {{ Rename media}} to change the file name to English. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:55, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
As often, removing any image, free or non-free, is allowed. In the case of non-free files, if removed and unused for a short while, a bot will tag a non-free file as orphaned. Either an uploader does or does not reinsert the file that s/he uploaded. If an uploader reinserts the file, I would assume that the removal upsets the uploader. Sometimes, a such dispute between the uploader and the editor who removes the file would escalate and become an ANI or 3RRN case.
Before the File PROD was implemented, the available options were just removing an image, tagging an image with {{ Di-disputed fair use rationale}} and taking a file to FFD. However, the FFD process was severely backlogged, so the removal option was more convenient to compensate unnecessary nominations. Personally, I had a dilemma of either taking an image to FFD or orphaning an image. Now with the File PROD, I find File PROD more preferable to orphaning a file, even when a PROD tag can be used only once for each page. However, the di-orphaned fair use is transcluded in hundreds of pages more than File PROD should have been (well, occasionally PROD can be transcluded in 50+/100+ files). Thus, more cases of edit warring over reinserting/removing files occur.
I won't propose or build an idea of restricting removals as I tried on a different issue months ago (not yet). I just am here to discuss the such practice. Actually, I thought about Village pump (policy), but then I guess I'll discuss it here instead. Feel free to comment if you please. --- George Ho ( talk) 09:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Today @ Eric Corbett: (and sorry to ping you Eric, but it's the polite thing to do) uploaded File:Stimson Trek.png. Given that the vehicles apparently still exist, I approached him regarding the replaceability of the non-free image, and thus failure of WP:NFCC #1. I was attempting to be polite, but apparently got off on the wrong foot with Eric. I would tag this image as {{ rfu}}, or alternatively place the image at WP:FFD, but given his last comment on the matter, I'm stepping out of it. Perhaps others can step in. Thanks, -- Hammersoft ( talk) 18:34, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
A second or third opinion on this article would be useful - I think there are way too many NF images. Ronhjones (Talk) 23:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
@ Masem, Hammersoft, and Ronjones: What's your take on the non-free use File:JohnnyCarter2016.jpeg? It's currently an orphan, but it was being used in User:Green WU/Johnny. The question is whether it's needed even as the primary means of identification of the charater per WP:NFCC#1 given the fact that File:Ted Reilly 2016.jpg exists and there doesn't appear to be anything unique about the character's appearance to significantly distinguish it from the actor's appearance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:55, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
WP:MCQ#File:Marvin Shields.jpeg. --
Marchjuly (
talk) 11:33, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
This issue has come up several times, most recently without a clear consensus. For singles using Template:Infobox song and Template:Extra album cover, two specific issues are:
WP:NFCI #1 and WP:NFCC #1, 3a, and 8 are the current policies. — Ojorojo ( talk) 17:02, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
BTW, I now remember myself starting that discussion in 2012 (five years ago). Boy, was I too enthusiastic about adding multiple covers back then... wasn't I? Anyway, I didn't even mention generic labels in that old discussion. Instead, I was too concerned on cover arts/picture sleeves. George Ho ( talk) 20:47, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Any guidelines should be should be consistent with NFCC. Please review the following proposed guidelines:
An image of a sheet music cover, picture sleeve, or other image appropriate for the song may be added. According to WP non-free content criteria, images that are free (not copyrighted) should be used if available. Otherwise, a non-free image may be used if it meets the criteria. Extra images should not added if one can sufficiently convey the information (see Template:Extra album cover#Infobox song)
A second cover (picture sleeve, record label, etc.) should only be added to Infobox song if the article has a properly sourced discussion that references the second cover as being significant. It must include some cited commentary that the second cover is important in some way in order to add an extra image. Just to show that the song was released with different cover art for other formats, markets, etc., without being discussed is not sufficient justification for adding extra covers (see WP Non-free content criteria #3a).
If this is OK, I'll add it to WT:SONGS for broader input before adding it to the guidelines. — Ojorojo ( talk) 18:47, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Moreover, I don't see WP:V and WP:IUP requiring sources to allow a free image to be used. WP:OI... well, I'm uncertain whether it's relevant as it discusses "original images", which are (if free to use) allowed as long as they don't illustrate "unpublished ideas and arguments." How is adding sourced info about free cover arts (and labels) necessary to allow free images being used? George Ho ( talk) 22:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC); clarified, 03:46, 9 January 2018 (UTC); see below, 07:23, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Here are my suggestions if you want them rather than more examples:
An image of a sheet music cover, picture sleeve, or other image appropriate for the song may be added. Obtaining and using free images is normally encouraged, but Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria (NFCC) allows non-free content that meets all the criteria. Usually, a cover art (of either a single release or a sheet music) is preferred as long as it meets Wikipedia:Non-free content#Acceptable use and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music#Images and notation, which discourages using copyrighted images purely for decorations.The infobox has been placed at the top of an article and/or a section(s) of an article. There is currently no hard-and-fast rule on which image is appropriate as a lead image to represent a song. Also, a lead image is not required, especially if an image would not easily represent a song. The same should apply to images used for sections that use this infobox. However, the rules are strict on using copyrighted images as section images.
Extra images should not added if one can sufficiently convey the information (see Template:Extra album cover#Infobox song).
Adding a second image to "infobox song" would affect the article layout and is normally discouraged. However, if necessary, a free image that easily represents the song is preferred as a second image (picture sleeve, record label, etc.). In case that a free equivalent is not available, a copyrighted, non-free image may be used as a second image to the infobox if it follow the Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music#Images and notation, not to be used purely for decoration.
However, I suspect others would oppose any form of proposal for both infoboxes as bureaucratic, GAMEing, and POINTy, or something. Nevertheless, I won't oppose going ahead. George Ho ( talk) 10:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC); edited, 10:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
I was reading the article Composite artifact colors and noticed several of the example images are classed as non-free content, and down-sampled in keeping with Wikimedia’s standing policy on such content. The problem is that the article in question was discussing distortion artifacts on the pixel level of the images in question, and very little to do with the macro-image (beyond overall initial impression). When an image is down-sampled, this pixel level detail is lost, making it a poor example image for the intended purpose.
Additionally, at least one of the images was of a text screen in a game, where, while the still readable passages of text may be non-free, the screen layout, devoid of any protected artwork, shouldn’t warrant more non-free status than an attributed quote from a non-free book.
There are many places where down-sampling of a non-free image makes sense in Wikipedia: Making reference to protected example of pop-culture, as an example. If you see the person/thing represented elsewhere, you will recognize them, but the image is not of sufficient quality to feature in a publication, or infringe some other way.
So, I really have four questions:
FYI, this was written on my phone, and a wiki text cleanup of my remarks will be posted soon.
Linux dr (
talk) 04:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
"my suggestion is to advise that aiming for images no larger than 0.1 MP is not going to trip anyone's red flag as to what is "low resolution". That's not to say a 0.2 MP is improper, or the like, but when you start getting up much higher than, you'd better have good reason."), and entirely pointless. There's been some push-back about this on the bot talk page. Jheald ( talk) 12:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
For most images pages, the view of the images is (obviously) the stated size, and no other sizes can be seen or linked to. However for an svg, we automatically get a set of various size png files - one is the "page size" of the svg, with a footnote of a whole range of sizes e.g. File:Borac Čačak.svg has underneath it - Size of this PNG preview of this SVG file: 316 × 316 pixels. Other resolutions: 240 × 240 pixels | 480 × 480 pixels | 600 × 600 pixels | 768 × 768 pixels | 1,024 × 1,024 pixels - each of the sizes being links to a png file. Technically this is letting wiki generate well oversized pngs, and it's possible that these pngs are being indexed by the search engines. Ideally it would be nice to stop wiki having these big image links for non-free images, I suspect that might be a long wait to get that done! I suggest therefore as an alternative that we add the magic "noindex" to all non-free svg files. I already have a rough outline of code that could do this as a once a week task. Does this sound like a good idea? Ronhjones (Talk) 14:53, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
"Technically, the only non-free SVGs that we allow are logos that have been taken from publicly-available, official media/releases of the company/entity that own that SVG"I've seen you say that before. Where is that policy/guideline? -- Begoon 15:06, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
@ Ronhjones: Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Image_resolution is only valid for Rastergraphics. The title should be changed from "Image resolution" to "Image resolution of raster graphics".
In File:AP-logo-Krakow.svg Ronhjones increased the size from 75.6x75.7 (viewBox="0 0 75.59 75.69") to 316x316 (height="316" width="316" without viewBox). You can rescale the picture just in the svg-tag to any size without changing anything of the content of the svg, therefore such rescaling does not make any sense at all. As posted above the PNG-Preview should get changed to a maximal size (not the svg itself).
— Johannes Kalliauer - contrib. 19:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
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non-free media file should be replaced with a reduced version to comply with Wikipedia's
non-free content policy and United States copyright law. A manual reduction has been requested. According to Wikipedia's policy for non-free content, the amount of copyrighted work used under fair use should be as little as possible. In particular, non-free media on Wikipedia should not be usable as substitutes for the original work. A vector image displayed at excessive nominal size or number of vectors is questionable fair use and may be deleted per Wikipedia's
copyright policy.
The SVG can be configured a smaller size by changing the nominal size data using an appropriate vector image editor such as Inkscape. A bot may have reduced the nominal size already, to prevent the software automatically displaying an image of over 100,000 pixels, to be in line with the non-free content guideline. In such a case, an editor has added this template to indicate that this image is too high resolution with respect to the number of vectors, and needs proper image editing to conform to the low resolution requirement of non-free images. Once a reduced version of this file has been uploaded: Please replace this template with {{ subst:orfurrev}} (through source edit) or {{ Orphaned non-free revisions|date=15 June 2024}} (through VisualEditor or Twinkle). |
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 January 18#Non-free road signs used in list article. --
Marchjuly (
talk) 01:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Before any edits are made, input from other editors would be appreciated at Template talk:Non-free logo#Category code. (Notification has been posted also at Wikipedia talk:Logos.) Thank you, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 02:32, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm wondering if File:RedCoatTrail.png can be considered replaceable fair use per WP:NFCC#1 for File:Red Coat Trail highway shield.png. Theere are slight differences in the coloring and the Commons' file seem to be a photograph of the sign, but the only copyrightable element looks to be the same.
I'm also wondering the same about File:YellowheadShield.jpg with respect to File:British Columbia Yellowhead Highway.png and File:Yellowhead.png. This one might not be as clear cut, but once again the only copyrightable element appears to be the same, or at least close enough to serve as a free equivalent for the encyclopedic purpose of primary identification.
Just of reference, the two Commons' files were discussed at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:RedCoatTrail.png and c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:YellowheadShield.jpg, and were kept. I asked the Commons admin who closed the discussions about them at c:User talk:Jcb#Canadian road sign photos and he seem to say that OTRS permission applied to all the Canadian Ministry of Highways and Infrastructure, but that "the [OTRS] ticket is not complying our current standards, so that one day we could get questions about this permission". I'm not sure what that latter part means exactly, but the files are still found on Commons. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:32, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
At the top of WP:NFCC rests the template {{ legal policy}}, which says (emphasis removed), "This page documents a Wikipedia policy with legal considerations." This is in contrast to {{ policy}}, which says (emphasis removed), "This page documents an English Wikipedia policy. It describes a widely accepted standard that all editors should normally follow. Changes made to it should reflect consensus." My question is, given the former lacks the IAR link, is it meant to imply that violations of 'legal policies' cannot be overridden by IAR or consensus to the contrary? — fourthords | =Λ= | 17:22, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
I may very well be wrong on this, so posting here for a third opinion. I uploaded File:The End of the F***ing World Title Card.png per a request at FFU and replaced the use of File:The End of the F***ing World intertitle.png. My rationale was that both served equally well to identify the subject, but the image from FFU was more minimal, more free, arguably under TOO depending on who you probably ask (even though it's from the UK). User:AlexTheWhovian seems to disagree. Thoughts? GMG talk 16:34, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
An entire work is not used if a portion will suffice.The FFU image is a portion of the other. GMG talk 17:06, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Point of order. The logo is free in the United States and I have relicensed it under {{ PD-ineligible-USOnly}}. -- Majora ( talk) 23:02, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Original poster of the FFU request here (IP changed). I just thought I would confirm I uploaded a screenshot of the title card from episode 5 (I could have used any episode but the premiere) not any augmentation to extract a logo. I didn't use the episode 1 screenshot as it wasn't as clear to read. 88.111.69.215 ( talk) 23:49, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I would like to propose a new bot to tag all new oversized non-free images with {{ non-free reduce}}. I would like to explain a little history to this idea, and how many images it's likely to affect.
Pinging a few editors I know are interested in this area @
BU Rob13,
Stefan2, and
Diannaa:
Time for some discussion...
I've moved the above to Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Suggestion_for_new_bot for a bigger audience. Please add any comments there. Thanks. Ronhjones (Talk) 14:26, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Well, three hours have passed, and I've reconsidered my approach the the question I ultimately have. Please, nobody take umbrage, as I wasn't previously trying to deceive or mislead anybody, but was just trying to ask building-block questions. Furthermore, it is not my intention to "buck the system" or "impose myself" with my questions, but merely to understand tacit exemptions to NFC policies and the prevailing of unspoken allowances over legal-consideration policies. I'm not advocating a change in policy, but seeking to understand its flimsy enforcement. Lastly, before you read further, consider whether you want to get into a policy-discussion about WP:NFCC#8; I'm perfectly sanguine about it, but I've seen how it's contentious.
"Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." It seems simple enough to me, and I have zero qualms with its wording. The second qualifier is the easier of the two: (1) Take an article using NFC, and strip it of all unverified prose and NFC. (2) Does any of the reliably-sourced information in the article require seeing the copyrighted material to understand? Am I missing or misunderstanding something here? If I'm correct, why, then, are any copyrighted images being used when whatever is being pictured is not discussed in the article. From a proverbial hat, let's look at… Dan Johnson (Kentucky politician). TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk · contribs) says that the photo meets #8 because it's "for visual identification of the person in question, at the top of his/her biographical article", and has applied {{ non-free biog-pic}}. I've now read the entirety of the article in question, and the image "significantly increase readers' understanding" of nothing in the article, and blinding myself to the image, nothing in the article is less comprehensible without it. Now, I've done this before: nominating the file for deletion and arguing its unnecessity, but other contributors argue a given file's merits without addressing the NFCC, and because a no-consensus defaults to keep, the file remains in-place and in contravention of our " policy with legal considerations".
Either specific exemptions to #8 need to be codified or its enforcement needs to be given teeth.
Again, this isn't my vendetta against any particular file—I've been involved in many such discussions, but is just the culmination of my frustrations with the uneven application of policy (one with more weight than others). Thanks for reading. — fourthords | =Λ= | 22:07, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Consensus in the past has said that an […] image helps to associate the image with that topic, even if the text never calls out to the image.The image associated the image with the topic even if the image isn't needed? This is unchangeably ingrained? If so, shouldn't such widely-accepted uses of NFC be otherwise codified in the NFCC? — fourthords | =Λ= | 20:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Infobox or lede images, as long as they are clearly representative of the topic even if the image is not discussed, are generally okay for non-free (assuming all other NFC points hold) […] that's the only place where we generally accept this type of rationale of 'for identification of the topic'.
With this, are you saying that 'yes, there are tacit exemptions to the NFCC'? If so, such exemptions should be codified at
WP:NFCC, not left for the average Wikipedian to have to stumble upon, realize, internalize, reconcile with the public & explicit NFCC, and/or argue about when working on the project.
[…] since they help associate the topic with the image.
I don't really understand this. It sounds like 'Non-free images of an article's subject are okay because they are of the article's subject.' Is that your meaning? —
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=Λ= | 20:13, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
To show what the subject of the article looks or looked like has consistently been considered (both for persons and for things) to constitute some relevant understanding of the topic
So you're saying that #8 implicitly allows for a single "gimme" piece of NFC. It's a built-in coupon, redeemable once. If you're saying that's the case, then why doesn't
WP:NFCC say that's that case? If this "
Wikipedia policy with legal considerations" (one of only eleven) has unintuitive, unspecified allowances like this, it needs to include them clearly and plainly. On its face, on the page that editors are supposed to read and abide by, #8 does not say that. —
fourthords |
=Λ= | 21:29, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
I was just using File:Dan Johnson Kentucky.jpg for my #8 example. […] I literally just happened upon it while browsing around for an example; I didn't mean to open a "#1 & recently-deceased" can of worms.— fourthords | =Λ= | 20:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
if we are talking about a subject, having the image on the same page provide some value that meets NFCC#8.Does having this hypothetical NFC in the article "significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and [would] its omission would be detrimental to that understanding"? Lyudmila Senchina was a Slavic artist, but File:Lyudmila Senchina.jpeg makes nothing in that article more understandable, nor would its removal make that article less so.
You mentioned an album-art boilerplate template, which I assume to be {{ non-free use rationale album cover}}. Let's look at its application.
[…] which is generally agreed to meet #8. This is the only place where we consider that NFCC#8 is implicitly met (not spelled out by the uploader).You say "generally agreed" and "we consider"; if it's the consensus of the project that we use these copyrighted works for these purposes, why aren't they spelled out as exemptions to or otherwise-allowances of #8? — fourthords | =Λ= | 17:00, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
As for the Foundation's rulings, I know they allow such broader use. I'm saying that our own policy (the English Wikipedia's non-free content criteria) doesn't. …or should. Either, really; we either need to enforce the policy as agreed-upon and written, or the NFCC need to be changed/updated/clarified to reflect project consensus. — fourthords | =Λ= | 20:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
[…] when we have 'images for identification' […] our presentation of that image at that location creates an implicit connection between the topic and the prose of the article to help the reader connect the topic to the image that is representative of it - this is why this image meets NFCC#8 as the reader's understanding of the topic is clearly improved, and their understanding would be diminished without the presence of the image.Let's say that I synthesize a cure for all cancers using the detergents in my laundry room. My story is unimaginably famous and important, and so I warrant an article. I then die without a single free photo of me. Years later, my Wikipedia biography has no images in it, and doesn't discuss a single aspect of my appearance or countenance with reliable sources. How would a reader's understanding of the topic (my life) be "clearly improved" with or "their understanding […] be diminished without the presence of the image"? According to the article and its sources, my appearance had no bearing on the course of my life. What would the use of another's copyrighted work do for the reader?
Unless I miss my mark (and I certainly have before), policies supersede guidelines, and the policy says only, "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." Ergo, either both of those criteria must be explicitly demonstrated for each and every piece of NFC we use, or our "policy with legal considerations" needs to be expanded upon to say something akin to a hypothetical NFCC#8a, "A single piece of NFC is otherwise permissible for use if it visually identified the topic to the reader." — fourthords | =Λ= | 15:55, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Seeing File:ChinaBeach Complete Collection DVD.jpg has zero bearing on my understanding of China Beach. Seeing File:SinatraSwingEasy.jpg contributes nothing to my understanding of Swing Easy!. File:Hudson hawk ver2.jpg doesn't impact my understanding of Hudson Hawk at all. The absence of File:Batman (NES game).jpg from Batman: The Video Game is in no way detrimental to my understanding of the latter. These are #8 failures on the face of the policy. If we're saying they're automatically entitled to their NFC for 'identification purposes', then #8 should say so (as I suggested above, "A single piece of NFC is otherwise permissible for use if it visually identifies the topic to the reader.") — fourthords | =Λ= | 17:21, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
An interesting question regarding rfu and NFCC#1 is how it should be applied in certain cases where a free image equivalent does exist on Commons, but it might not be from the same time period or taken in the same context. Non-free images of living individuals are almost never accepted except under certain conditions, some of which are found in item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI. I think these conditions also can be extended to non-free images of deceased persons where a free image exists. For example, both the free and non-free show a person at different points in their life: the non-free shows the person in their prime (perhaps the person was a professional athlete and the non-free file shows them "at work" so to speak), while the free version shows the person later in life when they might not be as readily recognizable to certain groups of people or just look different because of the natural aging process. I'm not sure that the use of the non-free should by default be preferred for primary identification purposes simply because the person is now dead, unless there is content, etc. about the person's appearance which specifically addresses the concerns of NFCC#8. The non-free may possibly used within the article body if the NFCCP are all met, but using it in the main infobox should not automatically be assumed; if simply being dead is enough to justify infobox use when a free image exists, then pretty much any biography already provided with a free image could have a non-free added for primary identification, e.g., non-free baseball card photos could possibly be used for deceased ball players, etc. even when free photos exist. I think the wording "free close substitute" in item 10 of WP:NFCI can be interpreted depending upon how you feel about the NFCCP. If you feel it means almost exactly the same image, then there are lots of non-free images which could and should be added to the main infoboxes of biographies about deceased persons; if you feel that it means the basic encylopedic purpose of identification is still achieved using the free image, then the non-free is not needed. I'm more of the latter type, but it would interesting to know if this has come up before as well as what others might think. — Marchjuly ( talk) 23:39, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I am a strong supporter of fair use on Wikipedia. I have begun to create a RfC on the use of fair use on wikipedia. I would like input on this, to come up with a RFC. Infinitepeace ( talk) 04:36, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
WP:NFCI indicates that acceptable use of non-free images includes "pictures of deceased persons, in articles about that person, provided that ever obtaining a free close substitute is not reasonably likely." Is there any other policy specifying that a picture of a deceased individual can also be used outside of that individual's bio? Soupforone ( talk) 06:06, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
I refer to images like File:Nilave_Mugam_Kattu_DVD_cover.svg - basically a bitmap image in a svg wrapper. Should these just be reduced as a svg - but that flies in the face of low resolution, as all I will do is change the scaling within the svg, and the raster image is still inside at high res. Or should we convert to a png and reduce properly? Ronhjones (Talk) 22:42, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?> <svg height="371.77576" width="268" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"> <image height="371.77576" width="268" xlink:href="data:image/jpeg;base64......
Every now and then i come across this category ( Category:Wikipedia non-free file size reduction requests for manual processing), and it makes me wonder if there can be a better solution. SVG files are essentially PNG renderings, and they don't inherently have a size. Wouldn't it be easier to embed some code in the template, which would automatically limit the rendering to an acceptable size. I'm not sure this is the right place to ask this, if not, please let me know where. Thank you. -- Ben Stone 18:25, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
I'd like to seek some definitive guidance on fair use images in BLPs of the recently deceased please. What length of time is acceptable before which someone can simply upload any picture they like (contemporary or otherwise) of a dead person? Should we have (or is there already) a minimum? Sorry if this question has been asked before, but I see so many fair use images uploaded (e.g. see File:Philip Jacobson.png who died around six weeks ago yet was in the public arena) but never any assurance that a free version has been sought. Is the default position therefore that we can use a fair use image of the dead (literally immediately post mortem) until a free one arrives? The Rambling Man ( talk) 21:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Personally I've always found that people uploading images immediately after someone's death and calling it fair use is a violation of the spirit of WP:NFCCP #1 even if it is not a violation in letter. Right now, I seem to be in the minority though. -- Majora ( talk) 21:38, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Does anybody think it would be worth inviting the participants in the last RFC to this conversation? 24.151.116.12 ( talk) 17:54, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Was wondering what others think about the non-free use of former logos in Malaysia FA Cup#Logo evolution. Typically non-free image galleries are not allowed per WP:NFG, but apparently exceptions are sometimes made. There is some very basic discussion of the changes in logos, but I don't think it's enough to satisfy WP:NFCC#8. It might be better to move these logos to the earliest individual season logo (for example, 2007 Malaysia FA Cup) where they were used for identification purpose if more sourced critical commentary about each specific logo/logo change cannot be found and added to the main article. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
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TW 00:20, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
The usual bot has reduced the size of File:Christ in Calgary by Austin Cooper.png. Is there anyway to keep the original upload? The work depicted was 4m wide, so the larger file is not disproportionate. It is already a low-resolution, b&w copy of a colour painting, and thus heavily is degraded, and poses no commercial threat to the copyright owner. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:01, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
This has come up before at
Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 64#File:Prince logo.svg and
Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2015 November 7#File:Prince logo.svg, but I think it might need to be revisited and clarified. Someone recently went around replacing mentions of
Prince (musician) and
Love Symbol Album in multiple articles which caused the file to be used more than 10 times in some cases in a single article. Of course, there were no rationales provided for these additional uses and mainly were actually being used as "text" in sentences such as "
File:Prince logo.svg's latest album...", "|Writer=
File:Prince logo.svg
" or "
File:Prince logo.svg sang the vocals on ...". The file was also added to
Template:Prince albums and succession box templates within various other articles like
The Real Thing (Tony Di Bart song) and
Everything Changes (Take That song). I can see how non-free use an be justified in some articles, but the excessive way the file was being used in so many others does not seem to be close to complying with
WP:NFCC#3. It might be a good idea to more formally clarify whether using this logo in lieu of text within articles can be justified per the NFCCP. Not sure whether any discussion on this would be better suited for the file's talk page so that there's a record of it there for all to see. It can be moved there if it is. --
Marchjuly (
talk) 10:07, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
FYI, I proactively opened an FFD at Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2018_March_10#File:2017_Turku_stabbing_news_photo_of_the_year.jpg to seek commentary whether it properly falls under WP:NFCC#8 'Contextual significance'. Thx! Manelolo ( talk) 10:19, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
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There’s an interesting argument being made for the use of a non-free self-portrait in a BLP which has to do with the purpose of an infobox image. Maybe this is something which should be discussed further here since the same argument could probably be made for similar images? — Marchjuly ( talk) 22:47, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm wondering what others think about the non-free use of File:Sue Williams.jpg. Sue Hamilton (actress) is still living and that almost always means that a non-free image is not going to be allowed for primary identification purposes; however, it does seem that it was her being chosen as a Playboy Playmate in 1965 rather than her career as an actress which is the primary claim of Wikipedia notability. There seem to be a number of photos (some might not be safe for work stuff) of her floating around online and some of these may be possible free equivalents, but I'm wondering if this can't be kept per the exception given in item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI since her notability seems to be entirely based upon her physcial appearance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:39, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
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Assuming that the licensing on File:American Idol logo.svg is correct, I am wondering if File:American Idol ABC logo.png and File:American Idol logo.png need to be licensed as non-free and if they do whether they meet WP:NFCC#1 since the Commons file and the non-free ones basically can be used to serve the same encyclopedic purpose without any real loss of information. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:32, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
The other day while checking on some files flagged as NFCC#9 violations, I came across some being shown as being used in Template:Transclude lead excerpt/testcases. After discussing this with Certes at User talk:Certes#Non-free images in Template:Transclude lead excerpt/testcases, it appears that the images are being transcluded onto that page as testcases involving images and portals; so, I'm wondering if this could qualify as an exemption under WP:NFEXMP. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 15:07, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm curious to know whether an "unofficial" consensus has been established over the years to allow non-free images of crime victims to be used in articles about the person who committed the crime. Almoet all of these victims are deceased and the images seem to be primarily being used for indentification purposes in subsection of the perpetrator's article either as part of a list of victims or about the particular event; my guess is that most of these people would, unforuntately, not be being mentioned otherwise on Wikipedia if this horrible thing hadn't happened to them.
I realize this might be an sensitive topic to discuss, especially since the NFCCP often does seem to allow non-free photographs of the criminals themselves to be used (under certain conditions)and it could be seen as being "unfair", therefore, to not allow photos of victims. Some relatively recent FFD dicsussions, however, have resulted in the removing of non-free images of perpetrators from subsections of articles about the particular crime they committed, so it's not like every non-free image of a criminal added to an article is automatically deemed to be NFCCP compliant. While I can see the justification of using a vicitm's photo in a stand-alone photo about the victim or maybe in articles like Death of JonBenét Ramsey or Murder of Adam Walsh, I'm not so sure about the photos of victims being used in articles like Bandali Debs, John Wayne Gacy, Faryion Wardrip, Ted Bundy, etc. In some cases, an image of a vctim or victims might have actually been the subject of critical commentary in reliable sources at the time which somehow led to the perpetrator being caught, so that whould most likely be OK; in many cases though like in the articles I mentioned above, it seems these photos are added so that the victim can be seen to have been a real person who should be remembered in some way. While I can understand such a thing, it does seem to be a kind of WP:NOTMEMORIAL using images. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:45, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi. Can someone here tell me if this problem has been corrected? RonBot flagged an upload I made today of a non-free fair use image, File:Garry Winogrand-crop.jpg. RonBot's note says I copied at least 5% too much. Sorry I was unaware of a 100,000 pixel limit before the upload. The new upload is 290x300. Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 19:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Then
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Consultation is in order regarding the above-mentioned File:Dear John (U.S. TV series).jpg Revision history: {08:59, 23 October 2011 User:Cavarrone (talk | contribs) . . (932 bytes) (+932) . . ({{Non-free use rationale |Article = Dear John (U.S. TV series) |Description = Main Cast - Dear John (U.S. TV series)}. Three minutes later, this file was appended to the Dear John (U.S. TV series) article where it has remained for the past six-and-a-half years.
On June 6, I added the file to the articles for Jere Burns, Jane Carr and Isabella Hofmann, which had no images and to the article for Harry Groener, which had one other image. 38 hours later, all four images were deleted by User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz with the edit summaries, "nonfree image in BLP infobox", "nonfree image in BLP infobox; Undid revision 844754007 by Roman Spinner (talk)" and "obvious WP:NFCC violation, significant sourcing insufficiencies remain; Undid revision 844756243 by Roman Spinner (talk)".
It should be also noted that User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz either overlooked or deliberately retained the file at the article for Dear John (U.S. TV series) and did not leave any comment at File talk:Dear John (U.S. TV series).jpg nor submit the file for deletion as an "obvious WP:NFCC violation". This matter needs to be clarified.
Also, although this last comment belongs at Talk:Harry Groener, it may be observed that in addition to deleting the file, User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz also reinserted the outdated tag {BLP sources|date=March 2013}, which was initially inserted when Groener's article had three inline cites and now, over five years later, has seven. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz's edit summary states, "significant sourcing insufficiencies remain", but the article is merely a recounting of Groener's acting credits, with no uncited controversial statements. Are seven inline cites insufficient for such a brief article? Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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Although this is a single file, it is actually a collage of five different logos. It doesn't appear to be user-generated based upon the station's current website, but the current version only shows four out of the five logos seen in the file. My question though is whether this needs to me non-free. All of the individual network logos appear to be "PD-logo" ( c:Category:NBC logos, c:Category:The CW logos, File:MyNetworkTV 2D Logo.svg, and c:Category:Fox Broadcasting Company) and the remaining station logos seems to be just a text logo. There is some shading and 3Ding involved, but not sure if that's enough to push one or all of the logos above c:COM:TOO#United States. Anyone got any opinions on this?
As a side note, if the licensing on the MyNetworkTV 2D logo is OK as PD, then there might be quite a number of logos for List of MyNetworkTV affiliates which could also be converted from non-free to PD. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:32, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
I've recently done a lot of work on Bow Wow Wow articles. While editing Annabella Lwin's article, I added the Le Déjeuner sur l’herbe cover used for the album See Jungle! See Jungle! Go Join Your Gang Yeah, City All Over! Go Ape Crazy!, and it was removed, citing Fair use issues.
To me, this isn't a violation of fair use. I'm sticking with the subject matter of the band, and the controversy this cover caused. Malcolm McLaren caused controversy by having a fourteen year old girl photographed nude for the cover of her album. Why wouldn't that image be in that 14 year old girl's article?
Follow up question: There are several Bow Wow Wow albums that weren't significant enough to merit their own articles. Would it be a violation of fair use to upload these images for inclusion in the band's article? Again, Perhaps an image next to the paragraph where the album is referenced. Johnny Spasm ( talk) 23:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm wondering how duplicate non-free files in different formats should be handled? For example, a non-free logo already exists in png format, but then someone subsequently uploads bascially the same logo in svg format. If the uploader replaces the png with the svg in all articles where the former was being used and adds non-free rationales for each of these uses to the svg file's page, then the png will become an orphan and eventually deleted. Now, I realize there is some disagreement as to whether user-created svgs should be kept for official logos and each non-free use of the file need to be assessed, but this seems to be just an of exchanging of one file for another if all other things are assumed to be equal. However, it some cases the svg version does not seem to be being used in all the articles, only some, and the png format remains used in the rest. So, basically there are two non-free files of the same logo being used in different articles, which is something I don't think is needed per WP:NFCC#3
Some examples of this I have recently come across are File:Spain National Football Team badge.png/ File:Spain national football team crest.svg, File:Russian Football Union.png/ File:Russia national football team crest.svg and File:Croatia football federation.png/ File:Croatia national football team crest.svg, and File:Sweden new national football team logo.png/ File:Sweden national football team badge.svg. The png version of these Spanish team badge was being used in various national football team articles, but the svg version was then uploaded apparently for use in only the country men's national team article. In the case of the Russian national team badge, the png file's non-free use was previously discussed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 September 2#File:Russian Football Union.png and the close was for the file to be used only in the federation article and not in the individual team articles, but the file was added to the men's national team article and the main federation article. The Croatian team badge was discussed at Wikipedia:Non-free content review/Archive 69#File:Croatia football federation.png, but the svg was added to Croatian women's national team article even though there's no rationale for such non-free use. The Swedish team svg file is being used on the men's national team article, and the png is being used on the women's national team's article without a non-free use rationale.
So, my questions are as follows:
In addition to the same file in different formats, I have also come across an example of a duplicate file in the same format in the case of File:Office in a Small City.jpg and File:Office in a small city hopper 1953.jpg which is also not something I'm quite how to resolve, especially since one of the file's is currently being discussed at FFD. One of the files is only being used in a stand-alone article about the painting, whereas the other is being used in mutliple more general historical/genre type articles where the validity of non-free use is being disputed. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:49, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Two non-free images I recently used have been reverted by Hullaballoo Wolfowitz. I need explicit information, not just linking of the policy. One was the album cover art used in the infobox at Emma Veary. The other was a newspaper clilpping used at Charles K.L. Davis. — Maile ( talk) 11:58, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
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File:Seal of Uttarakhand.svg seems to have been somehow embedded into Portal:Uttarakhand and User:Buaidh/sandbox, but I can't seem to figure out how it was done. The file is being added to articles where the portal is being used which is not allowed by the NFCCP. Can anyone figure out how to remove the file? Same problem with File:Arunachal Pradesh Seal.svg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:51, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
File:Salt Bae.webm on
Salt Bae was removed by
Hullaballoo Wolfowitz saying fails NFCC#8, not primary article subject
. However 8 says Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.
, which doesn't say about being the primary article subject. The omission is detrimental in my view as the meme is very difficult to understand without seeing it, and therefore its presence would be significantly increased.
Emir of Wikipedia (
talk) 13:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm adding a link to c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Cars (film) here because a suggestion has been made to move some files nominated for deletion on Commons to Wikipedia as WP:NFC#non-free content. Since Commons does not accept non-free files, some editors there might not be too familiar with WP:NFCCP; so, any comments on whether this might be possible would be helpful. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 14:39, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
This happened recently at ANI [3] where an image where one editor thought an image fell into PD was pointed out that due to URAA and other aspects, it still remains as non-free.
I do wonder if it would be helpful to have a set of templates that editors can apply (optional!) that conform to the various copyright tables so that future editors can use those to determine when a work falls into PD and take appropriate actions. This would by necessity have to be optional, and any concerted effort should start with works pre-1950, but could be useful otherwise. -- MASEM ( t) 13:34, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
As we know from past discussions, currency articles on Wikipedia enjoy a special (unwritten, but nonetheless extant) exemption to the non-free content policy on minimal use. Liberal use of non-free imagery is permitted on currency articles, such as Banknotes of the Australian dollar. As such, 12 of the top 25 articles for the use of non-free imagery are currency articles (see list).
Today, I had a look at this report and saw a new "first place", which had previously been held for a long time by Western painting or History of painting. The new first place holder is Vehicle registration plates of Arkansas which contains 99 non-free images, more than double the now second place holder. This isn't isolated to one article. There are a few other entries on this report that refer to license plate pages.
Years ago, this used to be policed as an overuse situation with respect to WP:NFLISTS. I haven't touched such an article for a very long time. I'm wondering if there is a special exemption similar to the situation with currency articles? Such pages would be devoid of much of the content they need to be complete. If there isn't such an exemption, should there be one? -- Hammersoft ( talk) 18:41, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Can someone please clarify whether WP:NFCC#9 applies to article talk pages and how it applies if it does? I removed File:Crypt keeper crime patrol 15.jpg from Talk:Harvard University with this edit, but the file was subsequently re-added here by X4n6 citing WP:TPO. I removed the file again and a discussion about the use was started at User talk:Marchjuly#WP:TPO. The discussion was originally at User talk:X4n6, but that was subsequently removed.
Anyway, there seems to be some disagreement as to how the wording "images are linked, not inlined, from talk pages when they are a topic of discussion" in NFCC#9 is to be interpreted. It seems that X4n6 feels that non-free images not used as the topic of discussion on are OK to use (i.e., displayed) on article talk pages and do not need to be linked. If that's the case, the last two sentences of WP:TPG#Hiding or resizing images need to be revised accordingly and it should be clarified as to whether the seperate specific non-free use rationale required by WP:NFCC#10c would still need to be provided for article talk page use. Adding this type of usage to as an exemption per WP:NFEXMP should also be discussed if its going to be allowed. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:21, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Since I've been pinged here, I'll simply weigh in briefly to note that the conversation Marchjuly and I had on his talk page should be reviewed in it's entirety. It's relatively brief. But both positions are articulated there; and there are sections in the guidance which appear to conflict. X4n6 ( talk) 06:34, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm wondering how the NFCCP people deals with non-free images of bands, which may be currently off-and-on active, but also have an original member who is now deceased. For example, File:180px-Remy Zero.jpg is being used for the band Remy Zero. Apparently the band was last active in 2010 when it re-formed to perform some memorial shows for one of their members who died earlier that year. So, assuming that the bad stays inactive, I could possibly see how the non-free use of the photo of the original members might be an exception per item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI. Maybe the copyright license and rationale need to be tweaked to better clarify this. Perhaps {{ Non-free biog-pic}} should be used instead as the copyright license? Anyway, suppose the band re-forms again or someone releases an image from a previous performance under a free license. How would this affect the infobox image? Would it still be OK to keep and simply move to another part of the article per the same "deceased member" justification, or would it need to go? Obviously, members of bands do eventually die and there might be lots of freely licensed/PD photos of original lineups when the band is well-known and popular, but the same might not be said for smaller less well-known bands. Loking at this particular image, I would tend to think that non-free use might not be justified if everyone were still living, so the primary justification seems (once again) to be that one of the original members is deceased. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:05, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Currently a non-free image is being used for Ray Kroc, but given who he was and the number of images him of him available online [4], it seems that maybe one of them might be {{ PD-US-no notice}}, {{ PD-USgov}} or something. Is there a particular way to go about doing such a search without having to click on each an every image? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:52, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
I often add this template after removing a non-free file being inappropriately used in an article, etc. The template, however, makes specific reference to image files which makes it a bit tricky to use for other non-free files such as .ogg files. Assuming that the NFCCP applies to all non-free files in the same manner, it might be a good idea to tweak the wording about to change "images" to "files" or "content" accordingly.
Also, I am wondering if it might be a good idea to create a higher level template which can be used after the "level 1" template if necessary. I'm not sure if four levels are needed, but maybe something a little more strongly worded to indicate that repeated violations of the NFCCP may lead to administrator action. I realize that some may feel that templates such as these are of questionable value, and I think that trying to explain about the NFCCP is better than simply filling up someone's user talk with uw templates; however, it might be helpful to show that additional warning were given if ANI/AN3 does becomes necessary and some editors might possibly pay more attention to File:Stop hand nuvola.svg or File:Nuvola apps important.svg than File:Information.svg. Anyway, just a suggestion. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 21:46, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
I've noticed that there are quite a number of "List of XXX" articles which contain lots of non-free images. Many of these images appear to have been originally used in a stand-alone articles, or a different article, but were subsequently merged/split off into a list article. In other cases, a non-image is provided (sometimes with an infobox) for each item of the list along with a short section about the character, etc. Here are some examples I came across: List of Dad's Army characters, List of Monster Jam video games, List of songs featured in Shrek and List of Winx Club characters. Normally, non-free images are not allowed for indovidual entries in a list article per WP:NFLISTS, right? Does the same apply to individual subsections, or merged sections, etc.? Is an infobox or seperate subsection all that is needed to justify non-free because that does seem to be what many editors are assuming. I understand that evaluating each use on a case-by-case basis is needed, but I'm interested in knowing whether merges or splits are another one of the "unwritten exceptions" to the NFCCP that occasionaly pop up in non-free content discussions. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:03, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
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in the rationales for the previous use. Non-free use justification is generally considered to be harder for images not used as the primary means of identification outside of the main infobox, right? Should images being used as the primary means of indentification in sub-sections merged into articles be given special consideration in cases where they are just there for indentification purposes and not the subject of any critical commentary? It's not just character list articles, but also things such as
List of Monster Jam video games,
List of Pokémon theme songs,
2012 in UFC,
Scouting in Pennsylvania and
History of British film certificates which seem to think a rationale and possibly an infobox provide more than enough justification for non-free use. Maybe the non-free use of files being used as the primary means of identifiction in article sections needs more clarification because it seems that many feel it's no different from the non-free use of files being used as the primary means of identification of an entire article? --
Marchjuly (
talk) 23:46, 29 September 2017 (UTC)I have some questions about the non-free use of File:Brian Eley.jpg. The subject is still living (apparently), so if the file was being used in a BLP about a typical chess player, then it would probably fail WP:NFCC#1 since it would be assumed that a freely licensed equivalent could still be created. In this case, the subject just happens to be a chess player notable for other things as well. According to the article, he has been on the run from police since 1991. I understand that non-free images are often allowed for identification purposes of indivisuals who are fugitives or incarcerated, but usually the photo tends to reflect the reasons for the individual's Wikipedia notability as long as WP:MUG is not an issue. There don't appear to be many images of Levy available online regardless of licensing (there is this one) and I don't forsee any free equivalents being created in the near future unless his current situation chages drastically; however, I'm still not sure if this is appropriately being used in the article. If non-free use is OK in this case, the file should probably should be moved up to the top of the article and the rationale (and maybe the license) should be changed accordingly to refelct how its use is justified, shouldn't it? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:43, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Can an exception to the policy to not display non-free images in tables for articles about license plates be granted?
This morning an editor removed 11 non-free content images from the Automobile License Plate Collectors Association article stating, "Please do not use fair use images in tables. It doesn't meet policy." The main article for Wikipedia:Non-free content states the following.
"The use of non-free images arranged in a gallery or tabular format is usually unacceptable, but should be considered on a case-by-case basis. Exceptions should be very well-justified and alternate forms of presentation (including with fewer images) strongly considered."
There really does not seem to be an alternate form of presentation other than to just eliminate whole sections of images from various license plate articles. Almost all of the license plate pages, such as Vehicle registration plates of Illinois have these images in tables. If this user continues doing this, much of the imagery for the majority of modern license plate pages will be removed. The removed images have the appropriate fair use license in Wikipedia.
The editor did not post anything to the talk page before making this edit, and I don't want to revert unjustifiably.
Thank you for your assistance. Zcarstvnz ( talk) 16:46, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Are there any requirements specific to non-free content file names or is just following WP:FNC sufficient? In principle, non-free files are local files whose use is limited to Wikipedia, and English is the language expected to be used on English Wikipedia. I realize that citations to non-English sources is allowed per WP:NOENG, but those citations ideally are supposed to be properly formatted to include an English description for readers. File names are supposed to be descriptive enough and accurate enough to allow users to easily identify what the file is supposed to be, but a non-English file name may not. I guess such cases the non-free use rationale(s) for the files would be written in English so maybe the actual name itself does not matter. At the same time, this kind of seems like an article title being in a foreign language with the article content in English. Anyway, the reason I'm asking about this is because I came across File:जवाहर नवोदय विद्यालय.jpg, a non-free file which is likely soon to be deleted for one reason or another. If, however, the file is kept, I am wondering if the file should be tagged with {{ Rename media}} to change the file name to English. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:55, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
As often, removing any image, free or non-free, is allowed. In the case of non-free files, if removed and unused for a short while, a bot will tag a non-free file as orphaned. Either an uploader does or does not reinsert the file that s/he uploaded. If an uploader reinserts the file, I would assume that the removal upsets the uploader. Sometimes, a such dispute between the uploader and the editor who removes the file would escalate and become an ANI or 3RRN case.
Before the File PROD was implemented, the available options were just removing an image, tagging an image with {{ Di-disputed fair use rationale}} and taking a file to FFD. However, the FFD process was severely backlogged, so the removal option was more convenient to compensate unnecessary nominations. Personally, I had a dilemma of either taking an image to FFD or orphaning an image. Now with the File PROD, I find File PROD more preferable to orphaning a file, even when a PROD tag can be used only once for each page. However, the di-orphaned fair use is transcluded in hundreds of pages more than File PROD should have been (well, occasionally PROD can be transcluded in 50+/100+ files). Thus, more cases of edit warring over reinserting/removing files occur.
I won't propose or build an idea of restricting removals as I tried on a different issue months ago (not yet). I just am here to discuss the such practice. Actually, I thought about Village pump (policy), but then I guess I'll discuss it here instead. Feel free to comment if you please. --- George Ho ( talk) 09:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Today @ Eric Corbett: (and sorry to ping you Eric, but it's the polite thing to do) uploaded File:Stimson Trek.png. Given that the vehicles apparently still exist, I approached him regarding the replaceability of the non-free image, and thus failure of WP:NFCC #1. I was attempting to be polite, but apparently got off on the wrong foot with Eric. I would tag this image as {{ rfu}}, or alternatively place the image at WP:FFD, but given his last comment on the matter, I'm stepping out of it. Perhaps others can step in. Thanks, -- Hammersoft ( talk) 18:34, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
A second or third opinion on this article would be useful - I think there are way too many NF images. Ronhjones (Talk) 23:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
@ Masem, Hammersoft, and Ronjones: What's your take on the non-free use File:JohnnyCarter2016.jpeg? It's currently an orphan, but it was being used in User:Green WU/Johnny. The question is whether it's needed even as the primary means of identification of the charater per WP:NFCC#1 given the fact that File:Ted Reilly 2016.jpg exists and there doesn't appear to be anything unique about the character's appearance to significantly distinguish it from the actor's appearance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:55, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
WP:MCQ#File:Marvin Shields.jpeg. --
Marchjuly (
talk) 11:33, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
This issue has come up several times, most recently without a clear consensus. For singles using Template:Infobox song and Template:Extra album cover, two specific issues are:
WP:NFCI #1 and WP:NFCC #1, 3a, and 8 are the current policies. — Ojorojo ( talk) 17:02, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
BTW, I now remember myself starting that discussion in 2012 (five years ago). Boy, was I too enthusiastic about adding multiple covers back then... wasn't I? Anyway, I didn't even mention generic labels in that old discussion. Instead, I was too concerned on cover arts/picture sleeves. George Ho ( talk) 20:47, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Any guidelines should be should be consistent with NFCC. Please review the following proposed guidelines:
An image of a sheet music cover, picture sleeve, or other image appropriate for the song may be added. According to WP non-free content criteria, images that are free (not copyrighted) should be used if available. Otherwise, a non-free image may be used if it meets the criteria. Extra images should not added if one can sufficiently convey the information (see Template:Extra album cover#Infobox song)
A second cover (picture sleeve, record label, etc.) should only be added to Infobox song if the article has a properly sourced discussion that references the second cover as being significant. It must include some cited commentary that the second cover is important in some way in order to add an extra image. Just to show that the song was released with different cover art for other formats, markets, etc., without being discussed is not sufficient justification for adding extra covers (see WP Non-free content criteria #3a).
If this is OK, I'll add it to WT:SONGS for broader input before adding it to the guidelines. — Ojorojo ( talk) 18:47, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Moreover, I don't see WP:V and WP:IUP requiring sources to allow a free image to be used. WP:OI... well, I'm uncertain whether it's relevant as it discusses "original images", which are (if free to use) allowed as long as they don't illustrate "unpublished ideas and arguments." How is adding sourced info about free cover arts (and labels) necessary to allow free images being used? George Ho ( talk) 22:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC); clarified, 03:46, 9 January 2018 (UTC); see below, 07:23, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Here are my suggestions if you want them rather than more examples:
An image of a sheet music cover, picture sleeve, or other image appropriate for the song may be added. Obtaining and using free images is normally encouraged, but Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria (NFCC) allows non-free content that meets all the criteria. Usually, a cover art (of either a single release or a sheet music) is preferred as long as it meets Wikipedia:Non-free content#Acceptable use and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music#Images and notation, which discourages using copyrighted images purely for decorations.The infobox has been placed at the top of an article and/or a section(s) of an article. There is currently no hard-and-fast rule on which image is appropriate as a lead image to represent a song. Also, a lead image is not required, especially if an image would not easily represent a song. The same should apply to images used for sections that use this infobox. However, the rules are strict on using copyrighted images as section images.
Extra images should not added if one can sufficiently convey the information (see Template:Extra album cover#Infobox song).
Adding a second image to "infobox song" would affect the article layout and is normally discouraged. However, if necessary, a free image that easily represents the song is preferred as a second image (picture sleeve, record label, etc.). In case that a free equivalent is not available, a copyrighted, non-free image may be used as a second image to the infobox if it follow the Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music#Images and notation, not to be used purely for decoration.
However, I suspect others would oppose any form of proposal for both infoboxes as bureaucratic, GAMEing, and POINTy, or something. Nevertheless, I won't oppose going ahead. George Ho ( talk) 10:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC); edited, 10:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
I was reading the article Composite artifact colors and noticed several of the example images are classed as non-free content, and down-sampled in keeping with Wikimedia’s standing policy on such content. The problem is that the article in question was discussing distortion artifacts on the pixel level of the images in question, and very little to do with the macro-image (beyond overall initial impression). When an image is down-sampled, this pixel level detail is lost, making it a poor example image for the intended purpose.
Additionally, at least one of the images was of a text screen in a game, where, while the still readable passages of text may be non-free, the screen layout, devoid of any protected artwork, shouldn’t warrant more non-free status than an attributed quote from a non-free book.
There are many places where down-sampling of a non-free image makes sense in Wikipedia: Making reference to protected example of pop-culture, as an example. If you see the person/thing represented elsewhere, you will recognize them, but the image is not of sufficient quality to feature in a publication, or infringe some other way.
So, I really have four questions:
FYI, this was written on my phone, and a wiki text cleanup of my remarks will be posted soon.
Linux dr (
talk) 04:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
"my suggestion is to advise that aiming for images no larger than 0.1 MP is not going to trip anyone's red flag as to what is "low resolution". That's not to say a 0.2 MP is improper, or the like, but when you start getting up much higher than, you'd better have good reason."), and entirely pointless. There's been some push-back about this on the bot talk page. Jheald ( talk) 12:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
For most images pages, the view of the images is (obviously) the stated size, and no other sizes can be seen or linked to. However for an svg, we automatically get a set of various size png files - one is the "page size" of the svg, with a footnote of a whole range of sizes e.g. File:Borac Čačak.svg has underneath it - Size of this PNG preview of this SVG file: 316 × 316 pixels. Other resolutions: 240 × 240 pixels | 480 × 480 pixels | 600 × 600 pixels | 768 × 768 pixels | 1,024 × 1,024 pixels - each of the sizes being links to a png file. Technically this is letting wiki generate well oversized pngs, and it's possible that these pngs are being indexed by the search engines. Ideally it would be nice to stop wiki having these big image links for non-free images, I suspect that might be a long wait to get that done! I suggest therefore as an alternative that we add the magic "noindex" to all non-free svg files. I already have a rough outline of code that could do this as a once a week task. Does this sound like a good idea? Ronhjones (Talk) 14:53, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
"Technically, the only non-free SVGs that we allow are logos that have been taken from publicly-available, official media/releases of the company/entity that own that SVG"I've seen you say that before. Where is that policy/guideline? -- Begoon 15:06, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
@ Ronhjones: Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Image_resolution is only valid for Rastergraphics. The title should be changed from "Image resolution" to "Image resolution of raster graphics".
In File:AP-logo-Krakow.svg Ronhjones increased the size from 75.6x75.7 (viewBox="0 0 75.59 75.69") to 316x316 (height="316" width="316" without viewBox). You can rescale the picture just in the svg-tag to any size without changing anything of the content of the svg, therefore such rescaling does not make any sense at all. As posted above the PNG-Preview should get changed to a maximal size (not the svg itself).
— Johannes Kalliauer - contrib. 19:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
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non-free media file should be replaced with a reduced version to comply with Wikipedia's
non-free content policy and United States copyright law. A manual reduction has been requested. According to Wikipedia's policy for non-free content, the amount of copyrighted work used under fair use should be as little as possible. In particular, non-free media on Wikipedia should not be usable as substitutes for the original work. A vector image displayed at excessive nominal size or number of vectors is questionable fair use and may be deleted per Wikipedia's
copyright policy.
The SVG can be configured a smaller size by changing the nominal size data using an appropriate vector image editor such as Inkscape. A bot may have reduced the nominal size already, to prevent the software automatically displaying an image of over 100,000 pixels, to be in line with the non-free content guideline. In such a case, an editor has added this template to indicate that this image is too high resolution with respect to the number of vectors, and needs proper image editing to conform to the low resolution requirement of non-free images. Once a reduced version of this file has been uploaded: Please replace this template with {{ subst:orfurrev}} (through source edit) or {{ Orphaned non-free revisions|date=15 June 2024}} (through VisualEditor or Twinkle). |
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 January 18#Non-free road signs used in list article. --
Marchjuly (
talk) 01:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Before any edits are made, input from other editors would be appreciated at Template talk:Non-free logo#Category code. (Notification has been posted also at Wikipedia talk:Logos.) Thank you, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 02:32, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm wondering if File:RedCoatTrail.png can be considered replaceable fair use per WP:NFCC#1 for File:Red Coat Trail highway shield.png. Theere are slight differences in the coloring and the Commons' file seem to be a photograph of the sign, but the only copyrightable element looks to be the same.
I'm also wondering the same about File:YellowheadShield.jpg with respect to File:British Columbia Yellowhead Highway.png and File:Yellowhead.png. This one might not be as clear cut, but once again the only copyrightable element appears to be the same, or at least close enough to serve as a free equivalent for the encyclopedic purpose of primary identification.
Just of reference, the two Commons' files were discussed at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:RedCoatTrail.png and c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:YellowheadShield.jpg, and were kept. I asked the Commons admin who closed the discussions about them at c:User talk:Jcb#Canadian road sign photos and he seem to say that OTRS permission applied to all the Canadian Ministry of Highways and Infrastructure, but that "the [OTRS] ticket is not complying our current standards, so that one day we could get questions about this permission". I'm not sure what that latter part means exactly, but the files are still found on Commons. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:32, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
At the top of WP:NFCC rests the template {{ legal policy}}, which says (emphasis removed), "This page documents a Wikipedia policy with legal considerations." This is in contrast to {{ policy}}, which says (emphasis removed), "This page documents an English Wikipedia policy. It describes a widely accepted standard that all editors should normally follow. Changes made to it should reflect consensus." My question is, given the former lacks the IAR link, is it meant to imply that violations of 'legal policies' cannot be overridden by IAR or consensus to the contrary? — fourthords | =Λ= | 17:22, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
I may very well be wrong on this, so posting here for a third opinion. I uploaded File:The End of the F***ing World Title Card.png per a request at FFU and replaced the use of File:The End of the F***ing World intertitle.png. My rationale was that both served equally well to identify the subject, but the image from FFU was more minimal, more free, arguably under TOO depending on who you probably ask (even though it's from the UK). User:AlexTheWhovian seems to disagree. Thoughts? GMG talk 16:34, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
An entire work is not used if a portion will suffice.The FFU image is a portion of the other. GMG talk 17:06, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Point of order. The logo is free in the United States and I have relicensed it under {{ PD-ineligible-USOnly}}. -- Majora ( talk) 23:02, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Original poster of the FFU request here (IP changed). I just thought I would confirm I uploaded a screenshot of the title card from episode 5 (I could have used any episode but the premiere) not any augmentation to extract a logo. I didn't use the episode 1 screenshot as it wasn't as clear to read. 88.111.69.215 ( talk) 23:49, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I would like to propose a new bot to tag all new oversized non-free images with {{ non-free reduce}}. I would like to explain a little history to this idea, and how many images it's likely to affect.
Pinging a few editors I know are interested in this area @
BU Rob13,
Stefan2, and
Diannaa:
Time for some discussion...
I've moved the above to Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Suggestion_for_new_bot for a bigger audience. Please add any comments there. Thanks. Ronhjones (Talk) 14:26, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Well, three hours have passed, and I've reconsidered my approach the the question I ultimately have. Please, nobody take umbrage, as I wasn't previously trying to deceive or mislead anybody, but was just trying to ask building-block questions. Furthermore, it is not my intention to "buck the system" or "impose myself" with my questions, but merely to understand tacit exemptions to NFC policies and the prevailing of unspoken allowances over legal-consideration policies. I'm not advocating a change in policy, but seeking to understand its flimsy enforcement. Lastly, before you read further, consider whether you want to get into a policy-discussion about WP:NFCC#8; I'm perfectly sanguine about it, but I've seen how it's contentious.
"Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." It seems simple enough to me, and I have zero qualms with its wording. The second qualifier is the easier of the two: (1) Take an article using NFC, and strip it of all unverified prose and NFC. (2) Does any of the reliably-sourced information in the article require seeing the copyrighted material to understand? Am I missing or misunderstanding something here? If I'm correct, why, then, are any copyrighted images being used when whatever is being pictured is not discussed in the article. From a proverbial hat, let's look at… Dan Johnson (Kentucky politician). TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk · contribs) says that the photo meets #8 because it's "for visual identification of the person in question, at the top of his/her biographical article", and has applied {{ non-free biog-pic}}. I've now read the entirety of the article in question, and the image "significantly increase readers' understanding" of nothing in the article, and blinding myself to the image, nothing in the article is less comprehensible without it. Now, I've done this before: nominating the file for deletion and arguing its unnecessity, but other contributors argue a given file's merits without addressing the NFCC, and because a no-consensus defaults to keep, the file remains in-place and in contravention of our " policy with legal considerations".
Either specific exemptions to #8 need to be codified or its enforcement needs to be given teeth.
Again, this isn't my vendetta against any particular file—I've been involved in many such discussions, but is just the culmination of my frustrations with the uneven application of policy (one with more weight than others). Thanks for reading. — fourthords | =Λ= | 22:07, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Consensus in the past has said that an […] image helps to associate the image with that topic, even if the text never calls out to the image.The image associated the image with the topic even if the image isn't needed? This is unchangeably ingrained? If so, shouldn't such widely-accepted uses of NFC be otherwise codified in the NFCC? — fourthords | =Λ= | 20:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Infobox or lede images, as long as they are clearly representative of the topic even if the image is not discussed, are generally okay for non-free (assuming all other NFC points hold) […] that's the only place where we generally accept this type of rationale of 'for identification of the topic'.
With this, are you saying that 'yes, there are tacit exemptions to the NFCC'? If so, such exemptions should be codified at
WP:NFCC, not left for the average Wikipedian to have to stumble upon, realize, internalize, reconcile with the public & explicit NFCC, and/or argue about when working on the project.
[…] since they help associate the topic with the image.
I don't really understand this. It sounds like 'Non-free images of an article's subject are okay because they are of the article's subject.' Is that your meaning? —
fourthords |
=Λ= | 20:13, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
To show what the subject of the article looks or looked like has consistently been considered (both for persons and for things) to constitute some relevant understanding of the topic
So you're saying that #8 implicitly allows for a single "gimme" piece of NFC. It's a built-in coupon, redeemable once. If you're saying that's the case, then why doesn't
WP:NFCC say that's that case? If this "
Wikipedia policy with legal considerations" (one of only eleven) has unintuitive, unspecified allowances like this, it needs to include them clearly and plainly. On its face, on the page that editors are supposed to read and abide by, #8 does not say that. —
fourthords |
=Λ= | 21:29, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
I was just using File:Dan Johnson Kentucky.jpg for my #8 example. […] I literally just happened upon it while browsing around for an example; I didn't mean to open a "#1 & recently-deceased" can of worms.— fourthords | =Λ= | 20:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
if we are talking about a subject, having the image on the same page provide some value that meets NFCC#8.Does having this hypothetical NFC in the article "significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and [would] its omission would be detrimental to that understanding"? Lyudmila Senchina was a Slavic artist, but File:Lyudmila Senchina.jpeg makes nothing in that article more understandable, nor would its removal make that article less so.
You mentioned an album-art boilerplate template, which I assume to be {{ non-free use rationale album cover}}. Let's look at its application.
[…] which is generally agreed to meet #8. This is the only place where we consider that NFCC#8 is implicitly met (not spelled out by the uploader).You say "generally agreed" and "we consider"; if it's the consensus of the project that we use these copyrighted works for these purposes, why aren't they spelled out as exemptions to or otherwise-allowances of #8? — fourthords | =Λ= | 17:00, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
As for the Foundation's rulings, I know they allow such broader use. I'm saying that our own policy (the English Wikipedia's non-free content criteria) doesn't. …or should. Either, really; we either need to enforce the policy as agreed-upon and written, or the NFCC need to be changed/updated/clarified to reflect project consensus. — fourthords | =Λ= | 20:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
[…] when we have 'images for identification' […] our presentation of that image at that location creates an implicit connection between the topic and the prose of the article to help the reader connect the topic to the image that is representative of it - this is why this image meets NFCC#8 as the reader's understanding of the topic is clearly improved, and their understanding would be diminished without the presence of the image.Let's say that I synthesize a cure for all cancers using the detergents in my laundry room. My story is unimaginably famous and important, and so I warrant an article. I then die without a single free photo of me. Years later, my Wikipedia biography has no images in it, and doesn't discuss a single aspect of my appearance or countenance with reliable sources. How would a reader's understanding of the topic (my life) be "clearly improved" with or "their understanding […] be diminished without the presence of the image"? According to the article and its sources, my appearance had no bearing on the course of my life. What would the use of another's copyrighted work do for the reader?
Unless I miss my mark (and I certainly have before), policies supersede guidelines, and the policy says only, "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." Ergo, either both of those criteria must be explicitly demonstrated for each and every piece of NFC we use, or our "policy with legal considerations" needs to be expanded upon to say something akin to a hypothetical NFCC#8a, "A single piece of NFC is otherwise permissible for use if it visually identified the topic to the reader." — fourthords | =Λ= | 15:55, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Seeing File:ChinaBeach Complete Collection DVD.jpg has zero bearing on my understanding of China Beach. Seeing File:SinatraSwingEasy.jpg contributes nothing to my understanding of Swing Easy!. File:Hudson hawk ver2.jpg doesn't impact my understanding of Hudson Hawk at all. The absence of File:Batman (NES game).jpg from Batman: The Video Game is in no way detrimental to my understanding of the latter. These are #8 failures on the face of the policy. If we're saying they're automatically entitled to their NFC for 'identification purposes', then #8 should say so (as I suggested above, "A single piece of NFC is otherwise permissible for use if it visually identifies the topic to the reader.") — fourthords | =Λ= | 17:21, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
An interesting question regarding rfu and NFCC#1 is how it should be applied in certain cases where a free image equivalent does exist on Commons, but it might not be from the same time period or taken in the same context. Non-free images of living individuals are almost never accepted except under certain conditions, some of which are found in item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI. I think these conditions also can be extended to non-free images of deceased persons where a free image exists. For example, both the free and non-free show a person at different points in their life: the non-free shows the person in their prime (perhaps the person was a professional athlete and the non-free file shows them "at work" so to speak), while the free version shows the person later in life when they might not be as readily recognizable to certain groups of people or just look different because of the natural aging process. I'm not sure that the use of the non-free should by default be preferred for primary identification purposes simply because the person is now dead, unless there is content, etc. about the person's appearance which specifically addresses the concerns of NFCC#8. The non-free may possibly used within the article body if the NFCCP are all met, but using it in the main infobox should not automatically be assumed; if simply being dead is enough to justify infobox use when a free image exists, then pretty much any biography already provided with a free image could have a non-free added for primary identification, e.g., non-free baseball card photos could possibly be used for deceased ball players, etc. even when free photos exist. I think the wording "free close substitute" in item 10 of WP:NFCI can be interpreted depending upon how you feel about the NFCCP. If you feel it means almost exactly the same image, then there are lots of non-free images which could and should be added to the main infoboxes of biographies about deceased persons; if you feel that it means the basic encylopedic purpose of identification is still achieved using the free image, then the non-free is not needed. I'm more of the latter type, but it would interesting to know if this has come up before as well as what others might think. — Marchjuly ( talk) 23:39, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I am a strong supporter of fair use on Wikipedia. I have begun to create a RfC on the use of fair use on wikipedia. I would like input on this, to come up with a RFC. Infinitepeace ( talk) 04:36, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
WP:NFCI indicates that acceptable use of non-free images includes "pictures of deceased persons, in articles about that person, provided that ever obtaining a free close substitute is not reasonably likely." Is there any other policy specifying that a picture of a deceased individual can also be used outside of that individual's bio? Soupforone ( talk) 06:06, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
I refer to images like File:Nilave_Mugam_Kattu_DVD_cover.svg - basically a bitmap image in a svg wrapper. Should these just be reduced as a svg - but that flies in the face of low resolution, as all I will do is change the scaling within the svg, and the raster image is still inside at high res. Or should we convert to a png and reduce properly? Ronhjones (Talk) 22:42, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?> <svg height="371.77576" width="268" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"> <image height="371.77576" width="268" xlink:href="data:image/jpeg;base64......
Every now and then i come across this category ( Category:Wikipedia non-free file size reduction requests for manual processing), and it makes me wonder if there can be a better solution. SVG files are essentially PNG renderings, and they don't inherently have a size. Wouldn't it be easier to embed some code in the template, which would automatically limit the rendering to an acceptable size. I'm not sure this is the right place to ask this, if not, please let me know where. Thank you. -- Ben Stone 18:25, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
I'd like to seek some definitive guidance on fair use images in BLPs of the recently deceased please. What length of time is acceptable before which someone can simply upload any picture they like (contemporary or otherwise) of a dead person? Should we have (or is there already) a minimum? Sorry if this question has been asked before, but I see so many fair use images uploaded (e.g. see File:Philip Jacobson.png who died around six weeks ago yet was in the public arena) but never any assurance that a free version has been sought. Is the default position therefore that we can use a fair use image of the dead (literally immediately post mortem) until a free one arrives? The Rambling Man ( talk) 21:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Personally I've always found that people uploading images immediately after someone's death and calling it fair use is a violation of the spirit of WP:NFCCP #1 even if it is not a violation in letter. Right now, I seem to be in the minority though. -- Majora ( talk) 21:38, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Does anybody think it would be worth inviting the participants in the last RFC to this conversation? 24.151.116.12 ( talk) 17:54, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Was wondering what others think about the non-free use of former logos in Malaysia FA Cup#Logo evolution. Typically non-free image galleries are not allowed per WP:NFG, but apparently exceptions are sometimes made. There is some very basic discussion of the changes in logos, but I don't think it's enough to satisfy WP:NFCC#8. It might be better to move these logos to the earliest individual season logo (for example, 2007 Malaysia FA Cup) where they were used for identification purpose if more sourced critical commentary about each specific logo/logo change cannot be found and added to the main article. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
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The usual bot has reduced the size of File:Christ in Calgary by Austin Cooper.png. Is there anyway to keep the original upload? The work depicted was 4m wide, so the larger file is not disproportionate. It is already a low-resolution, b&w copy of a colour painting, and thus heavily is degraded, and poses no commercial threat to the copyright owner. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:01, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
This has come up before at
Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 64#File:Prince logo.svg and
Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2015 November 7#File:Prince logo.svg, but I think it might need to be revisited and clarified. Someone recently went around replacing mentions of
Prince (musician) and
Love Symbol Album in multiple articles which caused the file to be used more than 10 times in some cases in a single article. Of course, there were no rationales provided for these additional uses and mainly were actually being used as "text" in sentences such as "
File:Prince logo.svg's latest album...", "|Writer=
File:Prince logo.svg
" or "
File:Prince logo.svg sang the vocals on ...". The file was also added to
Template:Prince albums and succession box templates within various other articles like
The Real Thing (Tony Di Bart song) and
Everything Changes (Take That song). I can see how non-free use an be justified in some articles, but the excessive way the file was being used in so many others does not seem to be close to complying with
WP:NFCC#3. It might be a good idea to more formally clarify whether using this logo in lieu of text within articles can be justified per the NFCCP. Not sure whether any discussion on this would be better suited for the file's talk page so that there's a record of it there for all to see. It can be moved there if it is. --
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FYI, I proactively opened an FFD at Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2018_March_10#File:2017_Turku_stabbing_news_photo_of_the_year.jpg to seek commentary whether it properly falls under WP:NFCC#8 'Contextual significance'. Thx! Manelolo ( talk) 10:19, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
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There’s an interesting argument being made for the use of a non-free self-portrait in a BLP which has to do with the purpose of an infobox image. Maybe this is something which should be discussed further here since the same argument could probably be made for similar images? — Marchjuly ( talk) 22:47, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm wondering what others think about the non-free use of File:Sue Williams.jpg. Sue Hamilton (actress) is still living and that almost always means that a non-free image is not going to be allowed for primary identification purposes; however, it does seem that it was her being chosen as a Playboy Playmate in 1965 rather than her career as an actress which is the primary claim of Wikipedia notability. There seem to be a number of photos (some might not be safe for work stuff) of her floating around online and some of these may be possible free equivalents, but I'm wondering if this can't be kept per the exception given in item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI since her notability seems to be entirely based upon her physcial appearance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:39, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
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Assuming that the licensing on File:American Idol logo.svg is correct, I am wondering if File:American Idol ABC logo.png and File:American Idol logo.png need to be licensed as non-free and if they do whether they meet WP:NFCC#1 since the Commons file and the non-free ones basically can be used to serve the same encyclopedic purpose without any real loss of information. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:32, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
The other day while checking on some files flagged as NFCC#9 violations, I came across some being shown as being used in Template:Transclude lead excerpt/testcases. After discussing this with Certes at User talk:Certes#Non-free images in Template:Transclude lead excerpt/testcases, it appears that the images are being transcluded onto that page as testcases involving images and portals; so, I'm wondering if this could qualify as an exemption under WP:NFEXMP. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 15:07, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm curious to know whether an "unofficial" consensus has been established over the years to allow non-free images of crime victims to be used in articles about the person who committed the crime. Almoet all of these victims are deceased and the images seem to be primarily being used for indentification purposes in subsection of the perpetrator's article either as part of a list of victims or about the particular event; my guess is that most of these people would, unforuntately, not be being mentioned otherwise on Wikipedia if this horrible thing hadn't happened to them.
I realize this might be an sensitive topic to discuss, especially since the NFCCP often does seem to allow non-free photographs of the criminals themselves to be used (under certain conditions)and it could be seen as being "unfair", therefore, to not allow photos of victims. Some relatively recent FFD dicsussions, however, have resulted in the removing of non-free images of perpetrators from subsections of articles about the particular crime they committed, so it's not like every non-free image of a criminal added to an article is automatically deemed to be NFCCP compliant. While I can see the justification of using a vicitm's photo in a stand-alone photo about the victim or maybe in articles like Death of JonBenét Ramsey or Murder of Adam Walsh, I'm not so sure about the photos of victims being used in articles like Bandali Debs, John Wayne Gacy, Faryion Wardrip, Ted Bundy, etc. In some cases, an image of a vctim or victims might have actually been the subject of critical commentary in reliable sources at the time which somehow led to the perpetrator being caught, so that whould most likely be OK; in many cases though like in the articles I mentioned above, it seems these photos are added so that the victim can be seen to have been a real person who should be remembered in some way. While I can understand such a thing, it does seem to be a kind of WP:NOTMEMORIAL using images. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:45, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi. Can someone here tell me if this problem has been corrected? RonBot flagged an upload I made today of a non-free fair use image, File:Garry Winogrand-crop.jpg. RonBot's note says I copied at least 5% too much. Sorry I was unaware of a 100,000 pixel limit before the upload. The new upload is 290x300. Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 19:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
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Consultation is in order regarding the above-mentioned File:Dear John (U.S. TV series).jpg Revision history: {08:59, 23 October 2011 User:Cavarrone (talk | contribs) . . (932 bytes) (+932) . . ({{Non-free use rationale |Article = Dear John (U.S. TV series) |Description = Main Cast - Dear John (U.S. TV series)}. Three minutes later, this file was appended to the Dear John (U.S. TV series) article where it has remained for the past six-and-a-half years.
On June 6, I added the file to the articles for Jere Burns, Jane Carr and Isabella Hofmann, which had no images and to the article for Harry Groener, which had one other image. 38 hours later, all four images were deleted by User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz with the edit summaries, "nonfree image in BLP infobox", "nonfree image in BLP infobox; Undid revision 844754007 by Roman Spinner (talk)" and "obvious WP:NFCC violation, significant sourcing insufficiencies remain; Undid revision 844756243 by Roman Spinner (talk)".
It should be also noted that User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz either overlooked or deliberately retained the file at the article for Dear John (U.S. TV series) and did not leave any comment at File talk:Dear John (U.S. TV series).jpg nor submit the file for deletion as an "obvious WP:NFCC violation". This matter needs to be clarified.
Also, although this last comment belongs at Talk:Harry Groener, it may be observed that in addition to deleting the file, User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz also reinserted the outdated tag {BLP sources|date=March 2013}, which was initially inserted when Groener's article had three inline cites and now, over five years later, has seven. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz's edit summary states, "significant sourcing insufficiencies remain", but the article is merely a recounting of Groener's acting credits, with no uncited controversial statements. Are seven inline cites insufficient for such a brief article? Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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Although this is a single file, it is actually a collage of five different logos. It doesn't appear to be user-generated based upon the station's current website, but the current version only shows four out of the five logos seen in the file. My question though is whether this needs to me non-free. All of the individual network logos appear to be "PD-logo" ( c:Category:NBC logos, c:Category:The CW logos, File:MyNetworkTV 2D Logo.svg, and c:Category:Fox Broadcasting Company) and the remaining station logos seems to be just a text logo. There is some shading and 3Ding involved, but not sure if that's enough to push one or all of the logos above c:COM:TOO#United States. Anyone got any opinions on this?
As a side note, if the licensing on the MyNetworkTV 2D logo is OK as PD, then there might be quite a number of logos for List of MyNetworkTV affiliates which could also be converted from non-free to PD. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:32, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
I've recently done a lot of work on Bow Wow Wow articles. While editing Annabella Lwin's article, I added the Le Déjeuner sur l’herbe cover used for the album See Jungle! See Jungle! Go Join Your Gang Yeah, City All Over! Go Ape Crazy!, and it was removed, citing Fair use issues.
To me, this isn't a violation of fair use. I'm sticking with the subject matter of the band, and the controversy this cover caused. Malcolm McLaren caused controversy by having a fourteen year old girl photographed nude for the cover of her album. Why wouldn't that image be in that 14 year old girl's article?
Follow up question: There are several Bow Wow Wow albums that weren't significant enough to merit their own articles. Would it be a violation of fair use to upload these images for inclusion in the band's article? Again, Perhaps an image next to the paragraph where the album is referenced. Johnny Spasm ( talk) 23:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm wondering how duplicate non-free files in different formats should be handled? For example, a non-free logo already exists in png format, but then someone subsequently uploads bascially the same logo in svg format. If the uploader replaces the png with the svg in all articles where the former was being used and adds non-free rationales for each of these uses to the svg file's page, then the png will become an orphan and eventually deleted. Now, I realize there is some disagreement as to whether user-created svgs should be kept for official logos and each non-free use of the file need to be assessed, but this seems to be just an of exchanging of one file for another if all other things are assumed to be equal. However, it some cases the svg version does not seem to be being used in all the articles, only some, and the png format remains used in the rest. So, basically there are two non-free files of the same logo being used in different articles, which is something I don't think is needed per WP:NFCC#3
Some examples of this I have recently come across are File:Spain National Football Team badge.png/ File:Spain national football team crest.svg, File:Russian Football Union.png/ File:Russia national football team crest.svg and File:Croatia football federation.png/ File:Croatia national football team crest.svg, and File:Sweden new national football team logo.png/ File:Sweden national football team badge.svg. The png version of these Spanish team badge was being used in various national football team articles, but the svg version was then uploaded apparently for use in only the country men's national team article. In the case of the Russian national team badge, the png file's non-free use was previously discussed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 September 2#File:Russian Football Union.png and the close was for the file to be used only in the federation article and not in the individual team articles, but the file was added to the men's national team article and the main federation article. The Croatian team badge was discussed at Wikipedia:Non-free content review/Archive 69#File:Croatia football federation.png, but the svg was added to Croatian women's national team article even though there's no rationale for such non-free use. The Swedish team svg file is being used on the men's national team article, and the png is being used on the women's national team's article without a non-free use rationale.
So, my questions are as follows:
In addition to the same file in different formats, I have also come across an example of a duplicate file in the same format in the case of File:Office in a Small City.jpg and File:Office in a small city hopper 1953.jpg which is also not something I'm quite how to resolve, especially since one of the file's is currently being discussed at FFD. One of the files is only being used in a stand-alone article about the painting, whereas the other is being used in mutliple more general historical/genre type articles where the validity of non-free use is being disputed. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:49, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Two non-free images I recently used have been reverted by Hullaballoo Wolfowitz. I need explicit information, not just linking of the policy. One was the album cover art used in the infobox at Emma Veary. The other was a newspaper clilpping used at Charles K.L. Davis. — Maile ( talk) 11:58, 6 July 2018 (UTC)