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Editor @ ElKevbo believes that the article 2012 Harvard cheating scandal should be included in the See Also section of this page. I believe that this is WP:UNDUE, given that gravity and relevance of the cheating scandal in regard to the University's 388 year-old history is not significant in any way. There are many other events that occurred at Harvard, such as the Harvard–Yale Regatta, Harvard Psilocybin Project, Murder of Trang Phuong Ho and the Parkman–Webster murder case. Additionally, the university has been directly involved in many controversies over the years, such as Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard and Free Harvard, Fair Harvard. If these aren't linked to in the page, the cheating scandal should not be either. Dawkin Verbier ( talk) 13:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
I've been observing this article and the discussions here for a while. I would like to argue for re-instating the removed (and pretty substantially sourced) prestige statement in the lede as well as ask you to cut the bashing. For the former: I think in the case of Harvard, calling it prestigious is not POV but an encyclopedic fact. I mean, come on, it's the oldest and richest school in the US (plus all the other "glamorous" stuff like being in the Ivy League, the alumni, the prizes, the selective admissions process etc.). I think in the case of Harvard, calling it prestigious can hardly be seen as promotional but rather factual, despite the recent scandals in its almost 400-year-history - which kind of is a good transition to the second issue I want to highlight here and thus leads me to my latter point: to kindly ask to cut the bashing.
I feel the most recent scandals have somehow, for whatever reason (jealousy? Sour grapes of any sort?), "motivated" a few individuals to systematically discredit the school (here on Wiki) (e.g. removing the fact its prestigious, digging out a decade old cheating scandal and putting it at the forefront of the see also section etc.). Certainly, scandals occurred but now magnifying recent negative events and digging out older ones; in the grand scheme of things (an institutional history spanning almost 4 centuries); plus almost denying the school's prestige; that just isn't right.
Look at the controversy sections of Goldman Sachs or McKinsey. And? They are still prestigious companies; or do you want to tell me otherwise? Look at the controversies and conspiracy theories surrounding the US government. And? The US government is still perceived as prestigious and the most powerful in the world. Look at all the financial crises of the US economy throughout its history. And? The US economy is still perceived as prestigious and as one of the wealthiest and most successful economies in the world (if not THE wealthiest and most successful). What I'm trying to get at with all those different examples is that, no matter what the context is (school, company, economy, country), something simply is or isn't prestigious, independent of controversies or scandals. Harvard simply IS prestigious - not POV but fact. It simply is. Period. Instead of now trying to find flies in the ointment and look at them with a magnifying glass, it's arguably more advisable to look at the broader picture. I think those who now emphasize and inflate the negative events of the school throughout its centuries-old history, I think those individuals don't see the forest for the trees. 2A02:1210:2C5A:AE00:B8F6:6D44:2A6A:3C2B ( talk) 22:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
The 21st century history section mainly consists of explaining (or rather listing) the last few university presidents. Is this really a historic event when a president assumes office, steps down or retires? To me, this is WP:NOTNEWS or [[WP:EXCESSDETAIL]kmvdskccklcmkdmckd 2A02:1210:2C5A:AE00:D4C6:1398:98F8:A7E5 ( talk) 23:32, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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Editor @ ElKevbo believes that the article 2012 Harvard cheating scandal should be included in the See Also section of this page. I believe that this is WP:UNDUE, given that gravity and relevance of the cheating scandal in regard to the University's 388 year-old history is not significant in any way. There are many other events that occurred at Harvard, such as the Harvard–Yale Regatta, Harvard Psilocybin Project, Murder of Trang Phuong Ho and the Parkman–Webster murder case. Additionally, the university has been directly involved in many controversies over the years, such as Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard and Free Harvard, Fair Harvard. If these aren't linked to in the page, the cheating scandal should not be either. Dawkin Verbier ( talk) 13:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
I've been observing this article and the discussions here for a while. I would like to argue for re-instating the removed (and pretty substantially sourced) prestige statement in the lede as well as ask you to cut the bashing. For the former: I think in the case of Harvard, calling it prestigious is not POV but an encyclopedic fact. I mean, come on, it's the oldest and richest school in the US (plus all the other "glamorous" stuff like being in the Ivy League, the alumni, the prizes, the selective admissions process etc.). I think in the case of Harvard, calling it prestigious can hardly be seen as promotional but rather factual, despite the recent scandals in its almost 400-year-history - which kind of is a good transition to the second issue I want to highlight here and thus leads me to my latter point: to kindly ask to cut the bashing.
I feel the most recent scandals have somehow, for whatever reason (jealousy? Sour grapes of any sort?), "motivated" a few individuals to systematically discredit the school (here on Wiki) (e.g. removing the fact its prestigious, digging out a decade old cheating scandal and putting it at the forefront of the see also section etc.). Certainly, scandals occurred but now magnifying recent negative events and digging out older ones; in the grand scheme of things (an institutional history spanning almost 4 centuries); plus almost denying the school's prestige; that just isn't right.
Look at the controversy sections of Goldman Sachs or McKinsey. And? They are still prestigious companies; or do you want to tell me otherwise? Look at the controversies and conspiracy theories surrounding the US government. And? The US government is still perceived as prestigious and the most powerful in the world. Look at all the financial crises of the US economy throughout its history. And? The US economy is still perceived as prestigious and as one of the wealthiest and most successful economies in the world (if not THE wealthiest and most successful). What I'm trying to get at with all those different examples is that, no matter what the context is (school, company, economy, country), something simply is or isn't prestigious, independent of controversies or scandals. Harvard simply IS prestigious - not POV but fact. It simply is. Period. Instead of now trying to find flies in the ointment and look at them with a magnifying glass, it's arguably more advisable to look at the broader picture. I think those who now emphasize and inflate the negative events of the school throughout its centuries-old history, I think those individuals don't see the forest for the trees. 2A02:1210:2C5A:AE00:B8F6:6D44:2A6A:3C2B ( talk) 22:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
The 21st century history section mainly consists of explaining (or rather listing) the last few university presidents. Is this really a historic event when a president assumes office, steps down or retires? To me, this is WP:NOTNEWS or [[WP:EXCESSDETAIL]kmvdskccklcmkdmckd 2A02:1210:2C5A:AE00:D4C6:1398:98F8:A7E5 ( talk) 23:32, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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