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This proposal will allow users to mark page moves as minor or major. Currently, all page moves are marked as minor. Most of them are, however, not all page moves are minor edits. Such an instance would be if a page was subject to a page-name dispute. I would kindly ask the Oversight (or whatever body oversees these functions) to make this straw poll visible in people's watchlists to get the word out about this poll. Thank you. Jonathan321 (talk) 19:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This is a vote. It is just to see how much support for this there is and whether or not I should take it to the next level. I would 'love for people to explain why they support or oppose (especially oppose) this, but it will not make your vote count any more. Thank you. Jonathan321 (talk) 19:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This poll opened at 19:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC) and will end at 19:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC).
If you want to get this poll on peoples' watchlists you can propose it at Mediawiki talk:Watchlist-details. WP:CENT is also good for promoting discussions. Hut 8.5 19:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure having a poll really makes sense. And shouldn't all moves be classified as major? A move isn't something that should ever be hidden by history filter options. If you read below, you'll see there's a pending patch to MediaWiki to make all moves major. That would be my preference. -- Cyde Weys 15:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
As further explanation: I disagree that any page move can be considered minor. In the history of an article, any sort of page move is a major event compared to the rather insignificant effect that some edits can have. It doesn't matter how much in the page title was changed; even a single character changing (e.g. from upper-case to lower-case) is enough to give the page a whole new URL, thus making the old URL into a redirect. That is a major event no matter how you look at it, and should never be hidden in the page history by a minor filter. -- Cyde Weys 00:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Asked at that page about the policy and best practice regarding moving a page when the page in question is in Articles for Deletion. Discuss over there so the discussion doesn't get split over two pages. Thanks! Шизомби ( talk) 19:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I think, the title is wrong. There you can read IBS Software. I did a careful research, the proper name is like that: IBS Software Services.
One can read IBS Software Services above of the Infobox also.
-- Urs.Waefler ( talk) 21:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
The "Moving over an existing page" currently says the following:
“ | If the new title already exists and isn't just a redirect to the old title, with no history, and you are not an administrator, the wiki will tell you that you can't rename the page. You'll either have to manually merge the two pages, or if there's no real content in the page ask an Administrator to have it deleted or list it on your project's "votes for deletion" page in order to make room for moving the page. | ” |
Considering that we haven't had "votes for deletion" is quite some time, isn't this info outdated - shouldn't it refer to WP:requested moves instead?
The reason I didn't just make the change is that this is a help page and I wasn't sure it was being vague (i.e. not Wikipedia specific) for a reason. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 19:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I have added stuff from Help:Merging and moving pages with the intention of having that page renamed to Help:Merging. I have also made change to reflect the fact that it is a WP page. It was a cut and paste from Meta by the looks of things. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 01:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
How do you move pages on here? Dumbymuby ( HIT THE FLOOR) 01:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
[1] An admin should be informed, the user likely needs to be blocked. Irbisgreif ( talk) 15:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Moved from hidden information on main page:
On Wikipedia, usually anyone logged in can rename a page from its current name to a new one. This is also called "moving" because the effect is as if the page has been moved. A redirect is automatically created at its old name so that links still work. Common reason for moving pages are:
After a page is moved to a more correct title, the redirect should generally be kept and categorized accordingly, unless the redirect is demonstrably harmful, and especially if it is a plausible or common misspelling (or not a misspelling at all). If a page was erroneously created once at the wrong title, there is a good chance it will happen again (as a duplicate article). However, if the redirect is truly an implausible search parameter and it was recently created, it may be tagged for speedy deletion by posting at its top {{ db-redirtypo}}. Sometimes, you may feel that a page is wrongly named for another reason. For example, "Napoleon" may be more properly known as "Napoleon I of France," but many people refer to him as "Napoleon." This is a situation in which a redirect would be appropriate. Most people would not search for Marie de Rabutin-Chantal, marquise de Sévigné, but rather for Mme de Sevigne. To some degree the choice of which title to use is debatable, depending on the relevant conventions in the English language or on Wikipedia's encyclopedic standards.
The move feature is capable of moving pages in any namespace (except "Category:" and "Image:"), and even of moving pages from one namespace to another. Cross-namespace moving is useful when a page is accidentally created in the wrong namespace; for instance, moving Talk/Abraham Lincoln to Talk:Abraham Lincoln, or moving Articles for deletion/Some article to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Some article. In some cases, new users may create articles on themselves that they intend to serve as their user page, in which case such an article may be userfied. Generally speaking, other types of cross-namespace moves will be controversial and worth discussing with other editors. Wikipedia:Requested moves is the proper place for this. However, when proposing to move what appears to be an article out of the main namespace, it is strongly recommended that some form of Wikipedia:Deletion process should be used, preferably Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, as Wikipedia:Proposed deletion and Wikipedia:Speedy deletion do not build consensus. This is because the redirect that is created by such a move is subject to speedy deletion, which would effectively cause the article to be deleted from the main encyclopedia.
Note, you must be logged into an autoconfirmed account to do this.
If you cannot rename a page, or you think that the renaming may be controversial, please go to Wikipedia:Requested moves and list it there. The most common reason for failure is that there is already an article at the location to which you're trying to move the article. This is especially likely to happen if there is a history of moves from one name to another. This can be dealt with by an administrator after discussion at WP:RM. If the destination does exist, but it only contains a redirect without any history, the move will still work — the designers of the MediaWiki software recognised this as a special case in which no information will be lost if a move is performed. |
Ikip ( talk) 01:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
We need the closure/archive templates here somewhere to help users close any move discussions properly. Jubilee♫ clipman 22:29, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
The swapping pages section includes the section "Tag A for deletion (the method of doing this depends on the wiki)," but no further information is provided on how to tag A on Wikipedia or any other Wiki. Also, no links are provided for more information. The page Olga Bay Larch needs to be changed to Olga Bay larch, and the redirect page Olga Bay larch needs to become Olga Bay Larch. Wakablogger2 ( talk) 19:37, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm using Beta, and can't seem to locate a move tab. What am I missing? Matto paedia Have a yarn 05:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
When moving pages, do you include a leading "The"? eg, moving Rules (album), would it go to Rules (Whitest Boy Alive album) or Rules (The Whitest Boy Alive album)? Thanks. -- SteelersFanUK06 HereWeGo2010! 22:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Maybe this should be posted at Wikipedia talk:Protection policy, but I thought it would suit better being here. I have noticed that so many pages are move protected due to page-move vandalism, being highly visible, or for no need to move the page. The amount of pages being move-protected has increased since 2008 due to the rather immature Grawp (JarlaxleArtemis). I sometimes worry if the move option will sooner or later be only available to administrators. It's like the administrators get to move the most high profile pages and little autoconfirmed users don't. Most articles on geographical territories are move-protected, so only administrators get to handle that however they want. I'm posting this because I recently discovered the move protections on Russia, Morocco, Bangladesh, Thailand, Malta and Cyprus. It's like the world is coming to an end where there will be absolutely no more country articles for non-sysops to move. Could someone please help calm me down and bring up any ideas? Thanks, Schfifty 3 00:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
the opcw page was moved from organisation for the prohibition of chemical weapons to organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons although their website clearly indicates organisation (see www.opcw.org) and no argumentation was given on the talkpage. Could someone move it back? L.tak ( talk) 22:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
This page says that the only way to re-name a Category is to visit every article within the category and manually fix the category tag. Is that still true? I figured with all the master tool-builders out there, someone must have built a tool to do just that: All such a tool has to do is find articles containing [[Category:AAA]] and change that to [[Category:BBB]] -- Noleander ( talk) 19:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Anyone know where I can find the "Move" tag now? -- Old Moonraker ( talk) 20:59, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
I used to be able to move a page to a former redirect but now I can't. What's up? BillMasen ( talk) 16:21, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
The section Moving a file page currently says "In non-controversial cases you can request a file to be moved by adding the template {{rename media}} to the description page of the file." But it doesn't say what to do in controversial cases. You can't do a normal movereq because it puts the image instead of just the file name on WP:RM. So what do you do, and should that be added to the section? Station1 ( talk) 07:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Should I discuss before moving a page title out of all caps? Us441( talk)( contribs) 15:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
The first two steps are both listed as #1, and the next steps are listed sequentially after that. It looks like the numbers are generated automatically, so maybe it's a bug? Eastkansas ( talk) 18:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't the section "How to move a page" contain a reminder to change redirected links in navigational templates, per WP:R#Bypass redirects in navigational templates? - Set theorist ( talk) 09:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Please take a quick look at my question at Talk:Domain_Name_System#Technical_question_on_Section_move. I am not sure if it belongs in here or at that talk page but I think it is relevant to this topic here.
Thanks. 66.97.214.17 ( talk) 04:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I wish to move the draft of an article from my userspace to mainspace. My screen shows none of the skins described in this article -- i.e. there is no MOVE button or MOVE tab visib le. How should I proceed? Any advice greatly appreciated. Terry Belanger 03:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldwinn ( talk • contribs)
Lately it has been impossible to move pages over redirects with only one line of history. Trying to move
User:marcus Qwertyus/iPad (original) to
iPad (original) but can't.
Marcus
Qwertyus
21:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
This doesn't seem appropriate for a tag on top of article page. As detailed in this subsection an editor came along and changed the article's name back to a previously rejected one, despite discussions on WP:NPOVN and two long discussions in the talk page of what to name it. He is trying to force us to bring up all the old arguments and dismisses policy concerns as "process wonkery" (in edit summary). Is this a WP:ANI issue or where else can I find an Admin to change it back til after the holidays when other editors can weigh in. I just don't like to see this kind of rank abuse of process and policy. Thanks. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 04:43, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
I remember I've seen somewhere the following episode.
There was a page which mixed several close topics in one. An editor cut-and-pasted different subjects into new pages leaving the original one as a disambig or summary (I don't remember exactly). However his edit was reverted and redone differently. The rationale was that the original page was 90% on single subject, so the other editor first moved the original page to new title for the 90%-piece, then hid the rest of disambiguation. The explanation for this process was better tracking of edit history.
I am wondering whether there is a common wikipedia:guideline for the procedure I described.
If there is, then IMO it must be mentioned in Wikipedia:Moving_a_page#Reasons_for_moving_a_page.
If not, then is it reasonable to have one? Yceren Loq ( talk) 18:14, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
I recently ran into a problem where after moving the page currently at a spot to it's correct location, I was unable to move another page over the redirect created by the first move. The redirect I was moving over was automatically generated by the first move, and so as outlined on the page, I should have been able to move over the redirect. However it refused to allow the move, and I had to get an admin to delete the redirect I needed to move over. it was suggested to me that a user can only move over a redirect if they are reverting a previous move. If that is the case the documentation here should reflect as much. I'm not sure if it is the same issue discussed above. I want to make sure my understanding of the problem is correct before making any changes. Monty 845 06:59, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#Possible solution for the attribution problem with category renames?, where I brought up a possible solution to the problem. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:05, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I have watched this story several times. YOU BECOME WHAT YOU HATE. Copyrighted please, please, think — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.99.247.61 ( talk) 19:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
The help page does not give any information in regard to how to deal with interwiki links from other language versions after a page move in the English WP. While the links continue to work via redirect (unless double redirected), it is obviously a good idea to clean them up as well. However, such links are not displayed by "What links here", so it is easy to miss them. Also, some users may have problems to navigate foreign language WPs in order to update the interwiki links there. The question, if this is handled by bots already or if manual interaction is required, is not addressed in the help page so far. -- Matthiaspaul ( talk) 07:26, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I think it would be good to add a section, "When not to move a page", explaining:
Wnt ( talk) 13:19, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Since redirect categorization has become popular, we frequently see redirect pages with edit histories that consists only of the first redirect creation edit, followed by a redirect categorization edit. This disables the ability to move over redirect without approval. Could Wikipedia add a feature that allows editors to the redirect page to pre-approve any future move over a redirects? This could be a checkbox below the edit textarea for redirect pages that's labeled "Allow this page to be overridden by a move." If any editor to the page does not check this, then it can no longer be overridden by a move without administrative action. -- Bxj ( talk) 03:32, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Would it be possible for {{ R from move}} to be applied automatically to the #REDIRECT created for the old title? — Robert Greer — Robert Greer ( talk) 16:39, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
The software routine for moving pages moves both the article and the talk page. But it then makes the old talk page a redirect to the new one. Why does it do that? After all, if someone wants to comment about a redirect, they should have a talk page to put their comments on. In my view, redirecting a talk page should nearly never be done, and should only be done in very rare circumstances. Even worse, I've seen a user who say the move routine do this and conclude that no redirect should have its own talk page, and then proceed to redirect hundreds of talk pages - including ones with things like merge notices on them.
I propose that the move routine be changed so that it does not make the talk page into a redirect, only the article page. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 16:18, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
The said article is wrongly being moved to Oblivion (2013 film), despite multiple sources showing that the film is currently untitled and that Oblivion had been a considered title alone. I suggest a move protection for the article, and of course a move back to the original title. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 12:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Is this a bug affecting only me, or do the instructions need to be updated from "leave a reason" to "ignore that broken box"? Kilopi ( talk) 13:56, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Best thing to do is make a dummy edit. Hit the edit button on the pages new title and add <!--dummy edit--> anywhere on the page, and for the edit summary, enter "Dummy edit - reason for previous move was xxxx" and don't mark the edit as minor. After than, edit the page again, remove your dummy edit text, enter edit summary "remove dummy edit" and mark as minor. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 15:39, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
They are an entity so they should be here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.96.103.176 ( talk) 22:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I did not find a clarification about the applicability of WP:CSD#G6 to an article's move, neither in the db-template page nor in WP:MOVE (but such gibberish as "simple pagemove situation"). Has the sysop to proceed with {{db-move}} only on the grounds that some legitimate user requested the article to be moved? Or the sysop should apply the own discretion and bears the responsibility for the result? Incnis Mrsi ( talk) 08:57, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the "{{ clarify}}" tag here. I hope my new wording "will normally be fixed" reflects the reality that a bot is sometimes stopped for maintenance. I've also removed the "{{ specify}}" tag. There are several bots that fix double redirects; some (all?) can be found by searching within Wikipedia:Bots/Status. I think this information is too technical for a general help page, so I've merely added a hidden comment. -- John of Reading ( talk) 11:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
I type WP:move
and I do not get a single link to the template I know that must exist and I am looking for. Where is the link? -
DePiep (
talk)
18:16, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
This relates to Christ (yes seriously, not exactly a low profile page). The wasteful example of a needless RM there now illustrates a weakness in "Undoing a move" section here - it doesn't address specifically what to do if (inadvertently in the case of the Christ move) the mover has "locked" the redirect by editing it. I suggest we add in something better than "Move page B to page A" i.e. directions and link as to how/where to submit a technical restore here. In ictu oculi ( talk) 10:33, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Ayapa Zoque () and Fuliiru language (), please. — kwami ( talk) 16:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid.
Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask an administrator to help you with the move.
Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text.
{{subst:RMassist|Ayapa Zoque ()|Ayapa Zoque|to remove null parenthetical disambiguation}}
There is a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Helper_script/Development_page#Creating_over_a_redirect if the WP:AFC helper tool should automatically tag redirects as they cannot be moved. Please comment and give us additional input. mabdul 21:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
I recently decided to take on the task of moving Technology in the Mughal Empire to Science and technology in the Mughal Empire. Unfortunately, I encountered a lot more trouble than I needed to because pressing enter equates to saving the move (see here). First I would delete the capital "T" and then prepare to enter "Science and" (while reinstating the capital "T" with a lower-case one). However, when I tried to press ⇧ Shift to capitalize the new title, I would accidentally press ↵ Enter, thus moving the page to a truncated title. I think the only real way to move a page should be to press the "Move page" button. FallingGravity ( talk) 17:02, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello.
I am proposing that a merge be performed to this page from Help:How to move a page, as it appears to cover exactly the same matter.
Please provide your input. Thank you. 75.53.212.214 ( talk) 21:43, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Anyone else notice some pages not showing a move button, you know next to the watchlist button? It seems to be random for me; not showing up at Dragon Ball or Maximum the Hormone, but it does show at Ranma ½ and X Japan. None are move protected and I'm def not a new user, I've logged out and back in and nothing, so I'm kind of at a loss. Xfansd ( talk) 00:29, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying to move Thomas Crowley Weston to Tom Weston over a redirect with a single line of history, but it won't let me. As far as I know, this should work without trouble. Can somebody please explain what's going wrong? Schwede 66 19:12, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
#REDIRECT [[Tom Weston (disambiguation)]]
{{R from move}}
Hi, all. Is there any rule, when to leave the redirect after the move, or when to set it for deletion? Do the redirects from rename have any harm? Thanks. -- Okino ( talk) 19:45, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
The information section that displays on the Special:Move page seems to have incorrect information. It says that talk pages will not be moved if the page is being moved to a different namespace. I just copied a page along with its talk page from my userspace draft to the mainspace just fine. Should this be changed? -24 Talk 21:31, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Categories can now be moved by any autoconfirmed user. Presumably this page should be updated as such. RGloucester — ☎ 03:01, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
[[Category:Mountain Lakes geography stubs]]
to [[Category:Mountain Lakes, West Virginia geography stubs]]
. Then you might want to move the articles that are still in ‹The
template
Category link is being
considered for merging.›
Category:Mountain Lakes geography stubs - but that cat doesn't appear in the wikitext for the pages, because it's built into each of the seven templates. You would edit those, changing |category=Mountain Lakes geography stubs
to |category=Mountain Lakes, West Virginia geography stubs
in each case, and in theory that would be all that is required. The template edits would put all their transcluding pages into the
job queue, and within a few hours, all the categories would be sorted out.@ Makyen: I like your changes that you made with the lead section. To answer your question, does this belong in the lead, I think it doesn't. It was in the lead before I made my edits so I just updated the content but I did also ask the same question. To be honest, the lead is merely just a repeat of what is said in the individual sections. I think that it should be taken out. Any other thoughts? -24 Talk 19:48, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Special:MergeHistory, a special page that can automate history merges, has recently been enabled on the English Wikipedia. It's currently being discussed on the admin's noticeboard. Graham 87 02:48, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
See the discussion here: Wikipedia:Bot requests#Automated recategorization. Jarble ( talk) 19:54, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
I confess that before having been called here I didn't look at the page. Now I did and have a few questions to the Technical restrictions:
Learning, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:41, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
In a recent RM discussion, Gerda Arendt argued that moving the page would cause problems for external websites that link to it. With no hard redirect in place (the proposal is to have a disambiguation page there instead), this could be perceived as an error. My view is that this is just WP:LINKROT but the other way round from normal, and is simply part of the usual dynamics of the ever-changing Internet. I can see Gerda's point, but I don't think that we can really take this into account or else nothing would ever get moved. I don't think it should be our responsibility to manage non-Wikimedia websites. However, I can't find any Wikipedia policy or similar that even mentions this situation. Should something be written? What should our policy be? Bazonka ( talk) 08:24, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
I want to move ro:Cladova (dezambiguizare) over ro:Cladova for example. Is it possible to generate a single link and to make the move just by clicking that link? Something like for example https://ro.wikipedia.org/?title=Cladova_%28dezambiguizare%29&action=move&target=Cladova
Is it possible to automatically make such moves using AWB or some other tool? — Ark25 ( talk) 12:30, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello,
Please change the Wikipedia heading from Chetansynergos/sandbox to Borderless Access as it was wrong entered and the whole page belongs to Borderless Access. Please do the needful ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Borderless Access ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
If a woman gets married and has a page on Wikipedia, her page should be moved to the title containing her maiden name. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 16:25, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi, back in November 2013, I moved a number of Russian submarine articles with the summary "Name comes before hull or pennant number or disambiguation. As per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships)#Naming articles about military ships." It appears that such a convention applies chiefly to American and British ships, as those that serve in the Russian and Soviet Navies follow a different naming convention, with the name following the pennant number eg "K-141 Kursk". This convetion appears to have been adopted by other navies as well. Should the moves the kept as they are, or should they be reverted? Regards, -- Sp33dyphil © hat ontributions 00:20, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello I started a page Ancient river and released I did not put a capital. I could not work out how to change it through all the guides, so I requested a deletion and then started a new page Ancient River. Is there a way to redirect this? As the new page is not showing up just the deleted page. Learning sorry. July 22 SeniahC SeniahC ( talk) 08:16, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
It happens enough: a Help page is at an introductory level and a Wikipedia page with the same pagename is an advanced version. (We have two of these situations right now: Help:Searching and Help:Template need advanced versions WP:Searching and WP:Template. Compare Help:Pagename and WP:Pagename, amongst others.)
It's like moving a page, but it copies instead. (This might be called cloning a page?)
It's like forking/mirroring, but only for one page.
Export it, then import it back in?
Cut and paste with edit summary telling the source page?
Requests for moves seems like the wrong place to argue the merits of such requests. —
Cpiral
Cpiral
23:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
An error is displayed when viewing a diff for a revision that has been deleted, or was the creation of a redirect that has been overridden by a page move, or has the id for a future revision that is yet to be made. The error no longer appears when the revision has been restored, or when a revision having the id has finally been made. When moving over a redirect, the overridden redirect is permanently removed from the database and cannot be restored. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 22:34, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
When moving a page, the four edits (old page, new page, old talk page, and new talk page) can appear in any order in the user contributions. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 14:26, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
This proposal will allow users to mark page moves as minor or major. Currently, all page moves are marked as minor. Most of them are, however, not all page moves are minor edits. Such an instance would be if a page was subject to a page-name dispute. I would kindly ask the Oversight (or whatever body oversees these functions) to make this straw poll visible in people's watchlists to get the word out about this poll. Thank you. Jonathan321 (talk) 19:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This is a vote. It is just to see how much support for this there is and whether or not I should take it to the next level. I would 'love for people to explain why they support or oppose (especially oppose) this, but it will not make your vote count any more. Thank you. Jonathan321 (talk) 19:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This poll opened at 19:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC) and will end at 19:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC).
If you want to get this poll on peoples' watchlists you can propose it at Mediawiki talk:Watchlist-details. WP:CENT is also good for promoting discussions. Hut 8.5 19:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure having a poll really makes sense. And shouldn't all moves be classified as major? A move isn't something that should ever be hidden by history filter options. If you read below, you'll see there's a pending patch to MediaWiki to make all moves major. That would be my preference. -- Cyde Weys 15:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
As further explanation: I disagree that any page move can be considered minor. In the history of an article, any sort of page move is a major event compared to the rather insignificant effect that some edits can have. It doesn't matter how much in the page title was changed; even a single character changing (e.g. from upper-case to lower-case) is enough to give the page a whole new URL, thus making the old URL into a redirect. That is a major event no matter how you look at it, and should never be hidden in the page history by a minor filter. -- Cyde Weys 00:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Asked at that page about the policy and best practice regarding moving a page when the page in question is in Articles for Deletion. Discuss over there so the discussion doesn't get split over two pages. Thanks! Шизомби ( talk) 19:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I think, the title is wrong. There you can read IBS Software. I did a careful research, the proper name is like that: IBS Software Services.
One can read IBS Software Services above of the Infobox also.
-- Urs.Waefler ( talk) 21:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
The "Moving over an existing page" currently says the following:
“ | If the new title already exists and isn't just a redirect to the old title, with no history, and you are not an administrator, the wiki will tell you that you can't rename the page. You'll either have to manually merge the two pages, or if there's no real content in the page ask an Administrator to have it deleted or list it on your project's "votes for deletion" page in order to make room for moving the page. | ” |
Considering that we haven't had "votes for deletion" is quite some time, isn't this info outdated - shouldn't it refer to WP:requested moves instead?
The reason I didn't just make the change is that this is a help page and I wasn't sure it was being vague (i.e. not Wikipedia specific) for a reason. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 19:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I have added stuff from Help:Merging and moving pages with the intention of having that page renamed to Help:Merging. I have also made change to reflect the fact that it is a WP page. It was a cut and paste from Meta by the looks of things. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 01:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
How do you move pages on here? Dumbymuby ( HIT THE FLOOR) 01:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
[1] An admin should be informed, the user likely needs to be blocked. Irbisgreif ( talk) 15:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Moved from hidden information on main page:
On Wikipedia, usually anyone logged in can rename a page from its current name to a new one. This is also called "moving" because the effect is as if the page has been moved. A redirect is automatically created at its old name so that links still work. Common reason for moving pages are:
After a page is moved to a more correct title, the redirect should generally be kept and categorized accordingly, unless the redirect is demonstrably harmful, and especially if it is a plausible or common misspelling (or not a misspelling at all). If a page was erroneously created once at the wrong title, there is a good chance it will happen again (as a duplicate article). However, if the redirect is truly an implausible search parameter and it was recently created, it may be tagged for speedy deletion by posting at its top {{ db-redirtypo}}. Sometimes, you may feel that a page is wrongly named for another reason. For example, "Napoleon" may be more properly known as "Napoleon I of France," but many people refer to him as "Napoleon." This is a situation in which a redirect would be appropriate. Most people would not search for Marie de Rabutin-Chantal, marquise de Sévigné, but rather for Mme de Sevigne. To some degree the choice of which title to use is debatable, depending on the relevant conventions in the English language or on Wikipedia's encyclopedic standards.
The move feature is capable of moving pages in any namespace (except "Category:" and "Image:"), and even of moving pages from one namespace to another. Cross-namespace moving is useful when a page is accidentally created in the wrong namespace; for instance, moving Talk/Abraham Lincoln to Talk:Abraham Lincoln, or moving Articles for deletion/Some article to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Some article. In some cases, new users may create articles on themselves that they intend to serve as their user page, in which case such an article may be userfied. Generally speaking, other types of cross-namespace moves will be controversial and worth discussing with other editors. Wikipedia:Requested moves is the proper place for this. However, when proposing to move what appears to be an article out of the main namespace, it is strongly recommended that some form of Wikipedia:Deletion process should be used, preferably Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, as Wikipedia:Proposed deletion and Wikipedia:Speedy deletion do not build consensus. This is because the redirect that is created by such a move is subject to speedy deletion, which would effectively cause the article to be deleted from the main encyclopedia.
Note, you must be logged into an autoconfirmed account to do this.
If you cannot rename a page, or you think that the renaming may be controversial, please go to Wikipedia:Requested moves and list it there. The most common reason for failure is that there is already an article at the location to which you're trying to move the article. This is especially likely to happen if there is a history of moves from one name to another. This can be dealt with by an administrator after discussion at WP:RM. If the destination does exist, but it only contains a redirect without any history, the move will still work — the designers of the MediaWiki software recognised this as a special case in which no information will be lost if a move is performed. |
Ikip ( talk) 01:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
We need the closure/archive templates here somewhere to help users close any move discussions properly. Jubilee♫ clipman 22:29, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
The swapping pages section includes the section "Tag A for deletion (the method of doing this depends on the wiki)," but no further information is provided on how to tag A on Wikipedia or any other Wiki. Also, no links are provided for more information. The page Olga Bay Larch needs to be changed to Olga Bay larch, and the redirect page Olga Bay larch needs to become Olga Bay Larch. Wakablogger2 ( talk) 19:37, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm using Beta, and can't seem to locate a move tab. What am I missing? Matto paedia Have a yarn 05:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
When moving pages, do you include a leading "The"? eg, moving Rules (album), would it go to Rules (Whitest Boy Alive album) or Rules (The Whitest Boy Alive album)? Thanks. -- SteelersFanUK06 HereWeGo2010! 22:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Maybe this should be posted at Wikipedia talk:Protection policy, but I thought it would suit better being here. I have noticed that so many pages are move protected due to page-move vandalism, being highly visible, or for no need to move the page. The amount of pages being move-protected has increased since 2008 due to the rather immature Grawp (JarlaxleArtemis). I sometimes worry if the move option will sooner or later be only available to administrators. It's like the administrators get to move the most high profile pages and little autoconfirmed users don't. Most articles on geographical territories are move-protected, so only administrators get to handle that however they want. I'm posting this because I recently discovered the move protections on Russia, Morocco, Bangladesh, Thailand, Malta and Cyprus. It's like the world is coming to an end where there will be absolutely no more country articles for non-sysops to move. Could someone please help calm me down and bring up any ideas? Thanks, Schfifty 3 00:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
the opcw page was moved from organisation for the prohibition of chemical weapons to organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons although their website clearly indicates organisation (see www.opcw.org) and no argumentation was given on the talkpage. Could someone move it back? L.tak ( talk) 22:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
This page says that the only way to re-name a Category is to visit every article within the category and manually fix the category tag. Is that still true? I figured with all the master tool-builders out there, someone must have built a tool to do just that: All such a tool has to do is find articles containing [[Category:AAA]] and change that to [[Category:BBB]] -- Noleander ( talk) 19:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Anyone know where I can find the "Move" tag now? -- Old Moonraker ( talk) 20:59, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
I used to be able to move a page to a former redirect but now I can't. What's up? BillMasen ( talk) 16:21, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
The section Moving a file page currently says "In non-controversial cases you can request a file to be moved by adding the template {{rename media}} to the description page of the file." But it doesn't say what to do in controversial cases. You can't do a normal movereq because it puts the image instead of just the file name on WP:RM. So what do you do, and should that be added to the section? Station1 ( talk) 07:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Should I discuss before moving a page title out of all caps? Us441( talk)( contribs) 15:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
The first two steps are both listed as #1, and the next steps are listed sequentially after that. It looks like the numbers are generated automatically, so maybe it's a bug? Eastkansas ( talk) 18:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't the section "How to move a page" contain a reminder to change redirected links in navigational templates, per WP:R#Bypass redirects in navigational templates? - Set theorist ( talk) 09:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Please take a quick look at my question at Talk:Domain_Name_System#Technical_question_on_Section_move. I am not sure if it belongs in here or at that talk page but I think it is relevant to this topic here.
Thanks. 66.97.214.17 ( talk) 04:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I wish to move the draft of an article from my userspace to mainspace. My screen shows none of the skins described in this article -- i.e. there is no MOVE button or MOVE tab visib le. How should I proceed? Any advice greatly appreciated. Terry Belanger 03:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldwinn ( talk • contribs)
Lately it has been impossible to move pages over redirects with only one line of history. Trying to move
User:marcus Qwertyus/iPad (original) to
iPad (original) but can't.
Marcus
Qwertyus
21:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
This doesn't seem appropriate for a tag on top of article page. As detailed in this subsection an editor came along and changed the article's name back to a previously rejected one, despite discussions on WP:NPOVN and two long discussions in the talk page of what to name it. He is trying to force us to bring up all the old arguments and dismisses policy concerns as "process wonkery" (in edit summary). Is this a WP:ANI issue or where else can I find an Admin to change it back til after the holidays when other editors can weigh in. I just don't like to see this kind of rank abuse of process and policy. Thanks. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 04:43, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
I remember I've seen somewhere the following episode.
There was a page which mixed several close topics in one. An editor cut-and-pasted different subjects into new pages leaving the original one as a disambig or summary (I don't remember exactly). However his edit was reverted and redone differently. The rationale was that the original page was 90% on single subject, so the other editor first moved the original page to new title for the 90%-piece, then hid the rest of disambiguation. The explanation for this process was better tracking of edit history.
I am wondering whether there is a common wikipedia:guideline for the procedure I described.
If there is, then IMO it must be mentioned in Wikipedia:Moving_a_page#Reasons_for_moving_a_page.
If not, then is it reasonable to have one? Yceren Loq ( talk) 18:14, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
I recently ran into a problem where after moving the page currently at a spot to it's correct location, I was unable to move another page over the redirect created by the first move. The redirect I was moving over was automatically generated by the first move, and so as outlined on the page, I should have been able to move over the redirect. However it refused to allow the move, and I had to get an admin to delete the redirect I needed to move over. it was suggested to me that a user can only move over a redirect if they are reverting a previous move. If that is the case the documentation here should reflect as much. I'm not sure if it is the same issue discussed above. I want to make sure my understanding of the problem is correct before making any changes. Monty 845 06:59, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#Possible solution for the attribution problem with category renames?, where I brought up a possible solution to the problem. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:05, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I have watched this story several times. YOU BECOME WHAT YOU HATE. Copyrighted please, please, think — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.99.247.61 ( talk) 19:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
The help page does not give any information in regard to how to deal with interwiki links from other language versions after a page move in the English WP. While the links continue to work via redirect (unless double redirected), it is obviously a good idea to clean them up as well. However, such links are not displayed by "What links here", so it is easy to miss them. Also, some users may have problems to navigate foreign language WPs in order to update the interwiki links there. The question, if this is handled by bots already or if manual interaction is required, is not addressed in the help page so far. -- Matthiaspaul ( talk) 07:26, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I think it would be good to add a section, "When not to move a page", explaining:
Wnt ( talk) 13:19, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Since redirect categorization has become popular, we frequently see redirect pages with edit histories that consists only of the first redirect creation edit, followed by a redirect categorization edit. This disables the ability to move over redirect without approval. Could Wikipedia add a feature that allows editors to the redirect page to pre-approve any future move over a redirects? This could be a checkbox below the edit textarea for redirect pages that's labeled "Allow this page to be overridden by a move." If any editor to the page does not check this, then it can no longer be overridden by a move without administrative action. -- Bxj ( talk) 03:32, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Would it be possible for {{ R from move}} to be applied automatically to the #REDIRECT created for the old title? — Robert Greer — Robert Greer ( talk) 16:39, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
The software routine for moving pages moves both the article and the talk page. But it then makes the old talk page a redirect to the new one. Why does it do that? After all, if someone wants to comment about a redirect, they should have a talk page to put their comments on. In my view, redirecting a talk page should nearly never be done, and should only be done in very rare circumstances. Even worse, I've seen a user who say the move routine do this and conclude that no redirect should have its own talk page, and then proceed to redirect hundreds of talk pages - including ones with things like merge notices on them.
I propose that the move routine be changed so that it does not make the talk page into a redirect, only the article page. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 16:18, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
The said article is wrongly being moved to Oblivion (2013 film), despite multiple sources showing that the film is currently untitled and that Oblivion had been a considered title alone. I suggest a move protection for the article, and of course a move back to the original title. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 12:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Is this a bug affecting only me, or do the instructions need to be updated from "leave a reason" to "ignore that broken box"? Kilopi ( talk) 13:56, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Best thing to do is make a dummy edit. Hit the edit button on the pages new title and add <!--dummy edit--> anywhere on the page, and for the edit summary, enter "Dummy edit - reason for previous move was xxxx" and don't mark the edit as minor. After than, edit the page again, remove your dummy edit text, enter edit summary "remove dummy edit" and mark as minor. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 15:39, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
They are an entity so they should be here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.96.103.176 ( talk) 22:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I did not find a clarification about the applicability of WP:CSD#G6 to an article's move, neither in the db-template page nor in WP:MOVE (but such gibberish as "simple pagemove situation"). Has the sysop to proceed with {{db-move}} only on the grounds that some legitimate user requested the article to be moved? Or the sysop should apply the own discretion and bears the responsibility for the result? Incnis Mrsi ( talk) 08:57, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the "{{ clarify}}" tag here. I hope my new wording "will normally be fixed" reflects the reality that a bot is sometimes stopped for maintenance. I've also removed the "{{ specify}}" tag. There are several bots that fix double redirects; some (all?) can be found by searching within Wikipedia:Bots/Status. I think this information is too technical for a general help page, so I've merely added a hidden comment. -- John of Reading ( talk) 11:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
I type WP:move
and I do not get a single link to the template I know that must exist and I am looking for. Where is the link? -
DePiep (
talk)
18:16, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
This relates to Christ (yes seriously, not exactly a low profile page). The wasteful example of a needless RM there now illustrates a weakness in "Undoing a move" section here - it doesn't address specifically what to do if (inadvertently in the case of the Christ move) the mover has "locked" the redirect by editing it. I suggest we add in something better than "Move page B to page A" i.e. directions and link as to how/where to submit a technical restore here. In ictu oculi ( talk) 10:33, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Ayapa Zoque () and Fuliiru language (), please. — kwami ( talk) 16:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid.
Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask an administrator to help you with the move.
Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text.
{{subst:RMassist|Ayapa Zoque ()|Ayapa Zoque|to remove null parenthetical disambiguation}}
There is a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Helper_script/Development_page#Creating_over_a_redirect if the WP:AFC helper tool should automatically tag redirects as they cannot be moved. Please comment and give us additional input. mabdul 21:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
I recently decided to take on the task of moving Technology in the Mughal Empire to Science and technology in the Mughal Empire. Unfortunately, I encountered a lot more trouble than I needed to because pressing enter equates to saving the move (see here). First I would delete the capital "T" and then prepare to enter "Science and" (while reinstating the capital "T" with a lower-case one). However, when I tried to press ⇧ Shift to capitalize the new title, I would accidentally press ↵ Enter, thus moving the page to a truncated title. I think the only real way to move a page should be to press the "Move page" button. FallingGravity ( talk) 17:02, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello.
I am proposing that a merge be performed to this page from Help:How to move a page, as it appears to cover exactly the same matter.
Please provide your input. Thank you. 75.53.212.214 ( talk) 21:43, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Anyone else notice some pages not showing a move button, you know next to the watchlist button? It seems to be random for me; not showing up at Dragon Ball or Maximum the Hormone, but it does show at Ranma ½ and X Japan. None are move protected and I'm def not a new user, I've logged out and back in and nothing, so I'm kind of at a loss. Xfansd ( talk) 00:29, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying to move Thomas Crowley Weston to Tom Weston over a redirect with a single line of history, but it won't let me. As far as I know, this should work without trouble. Can somebody please explain what's going wrong? Schwede 66 19:12, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
#REDIRECT [[Tom Weston (disambiguation)]]
{{R from move}}
Hi, all. Is there any rule, when to leave the redirect after the move, or when to set it for deletion? Do the redirects from rename have any harm? Thanks. -- Okino ( talk) 19:45, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
The information section that displays on the Special:Move page seems to have incorrect information. It says that talk pages will not be moved if the page is being moved to a different namespace. I just copied a page along with its talk page from my userspace draft to the mainspace just fine. Should this be changed? -24 Talk 21:31, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Categories can now be moved by any autoconfirmed user. Presumably this page should be updated as such. RGloucester — ☎ 03:01, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
[[Category:Mountain Lakes geography stubs]]
to [[Category:Mountain Lakes, West Virginia geography stubs]]
. Then you might want to move the articles that are still in ‹The
template
Category link is being
considered for merging.›
Category:Mountain Lakes geography stubs - but that cat doesn't appear in the wikitext for the pages, because it's built into each of the seven templates. You would edit those, changing |category=Mountain Lakes geography stubs
to |category=Mountain Lakes, West Virginia geography stubs
in each case, and in theory that would be all that is required. The template edits would put all their transcluding pages into the
job queue, and within a few hours, all the categories would be sorted out.@ Makyen: I like your changes that you made with the lead section. To answer your question, does this belong in the lead, I think it doesn't. It was in the lead before I made my edits so I just updated the content but I did also ask the same question. To be honest, the lead is merely just a repeat of what is said in the individual sections. I think that it should be taken out. Any other thoughts? -24 Talk 19:48, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Special:MergeHistory, a special page that can automate history merges, has recently been enabled on the English Wikipedia. It's currently being discussed on the admin's noticeboard. Graham 87 02:48, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
See the discussion here: Wikipedia:Bot requests#Automated recategorization. Jarble ( talk) 19:54, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
I confess that before having been called here I didn't look at the page. Now I did and have a few questions to the Technical restrictions:
Learning, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:41, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
In a recent RM discussion, Gerda Arendt argued that moving the page would cause problems for external websites that link to it. With no hard redirect in place (the proposal is to have a disambiguation page there instead), this could be perceived as an error. My view is that this is just WP:LINKROT but the other way round from normal, and is simply part of the usual dynamics of the ever-changing Internet. I can see Gerda's point, but I don't think that we can really take this into account or else nothing would ever get moved. I don't think it should be our responsibility to manage non-Wikimedia websites. However, I can't find any Wikipedia policy or similar that even mentions this situation. Should something be written? What should our policy be? Bazonka ( talk) 08:24, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
I want to move ro:Cladova (dezambiguizare) over ro:Cladova for example. Is it possible to generate a single link and to make the move just by clicking that link? Something like for example https://ro.wikipedia.org/?title=Cladova_%28dezambiguizare%29&action=move&target=Cladova
Is it possible to automatically make such moves using AWB or some other tool? — Ark25 ( talk) 12:30, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello,
Please change the Wikipedia heading from Chetansynergos/sandbox to Borderless Access as it was wrong entered and the whole page belongs to Borderless Access. Please do the needful ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Borderless Access ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
If a woman gets married and has a page on Wikipedia, her page should be moved to the title containing her maiden name. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 16:25, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi, back in November 2013, I moved a number of Russian submarine articles with the summary "Name comes before hull or pennant number or disambiguation. As per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships)#Naming articles about military ships." It appears that such a convention applies chiefly to American and British ships, as those that serve in the Russian and Soviet Navies follow a different naming convention, with the name following the pennant number eg "K-141 Kursk". This convetion appears to have been adopted by other navies as well. Should the moves the kept as they are, or should they be reverted? Regards, -- Sp33dyphil © hat ontributions 00:20, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello I started a page Ancient river and released I did not put a capital. I could not work out how to change it through all the guides, so I requested a deletion and then started a new page Ancient River. Is there a way to redirect this? As the new page is not showing up just the deleted page. Learning sorry. July 22 SeniahC SeniahC ( talk) 08:16, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
It happens enough: a Help page is at an introductory level and a Wikipedia page with the same pagename is an advanced version. (We have two of these situations right now: Help:Searching and Help:Template need advanced versions WP:Searching and WP:Template. Compare Help:Pagename and WP:Pagename, amongst others.)
It's like moving a page, but it copies instead. (This might be called cloning a page?)
It's like forking/mirroring, but only for one page.
Export it, then import it back in?
Cut and paste with edit summary telling the source page?
Requests for moves seems like the wrong place to argue the merits of such requests. —
Cpiral
Cpiral
23:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
An error is displayed when viewing a diff for a revision that has been deleted, or was the creation of a redirect that has been overridden by a page move, or has the id for a future revision that is yet to be made. The error no longer appears when the revision has been restored, or when a revision having the id has finally been made. When moving over a redirect, the overridden redirect is permanently removed from the database and cannot be restored. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 22:34, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
When moving a page, the four edits (old page, new page, old talk page, and new talk page) can appear in any order in the user contributions. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 14:26, 9 September 2015 (UTC)