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I've noticed a string of DYKs have been done that don't notify the creator. I honestly think it will discourage some of the people going out of their way to create interesting articles. While this is a website relying on altruism and the user talk page notifications are fairly meaningless --they are meaningful to the people who take the time to write these things. Anyway, just some food for thought, nothing more. -- Bobak 19:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
From my experience, the nomination that goes in the template first attracts considerably more attention than others, probably because it is illustrated. Is there any guideline which article should take the first place in the template, when free images are available for several nominations? To pick up the current template, why Sigrid Hjertén is preferrable to Siege of Constantinople (860)? If there is no guideline on this point, perhaps we should have one. -- Ghirla -трёп- 16:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation, but I still think that we need some guideline on the blurb which comes first. While there is a lot of superior nominations about to be expired, today the first line in the template is occupied by Västgötalagen, an unreferenced stubby stub (and even marked as such) about "a text describing medieval provincial laws" which is supposed to be "the oldest example of Early Swedish literature to survive in its entirety". I was not aware that a legal code qualifies as "literature"... -- Ghirla -трёп- 08:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Prigat item read:
...that in 1943, Prigat, a small and newly created juice manufacturer at the time, sold 775,000 syrup bottles to the British Army in the Palestine Mandate?
Considering that the state of Israel (where the current link goes) didn't exist in 1993. -- Jfruh ( talk) 03:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Why is it never written what does the image represent?! -- Eleassar my talk 11:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
My shot at a DYK from the article on The Joint Expedition Against Franklin. This is my first shot at this, so i am open for suggestions on how I can improve! Thanks.
...That The Joint Expedition Against Franklin was a small Civil War battle that occured on the Blackwater river near Franklin, Virginia in which 7 United States sailors were awarded Congressional Medals of Honor.
Chris Kreider 18:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, we have been through this before, but I still feel that it is required to flag this off, given that we are woefully short of updating admins. I'd prefer reguar updation of DYK to notification - ppl may feel that it is an inconvenience if they are not notified but would be devastated if their nom doesn't make it to DYK. I believe that updating article talkpage alone should be enough as long as we can promise better turnaround and more frequent updation of DYK. If people still feel that the article creator and the nominator (groan!) need to be notified, may be some non-admins can take up that work to help the updating admins. The minimum mandatory requirement for an updating nominator should be updating the article talkpage and nothing more. It is very beneficial for someone like me who works from a slow internet connection but would like to extend a helping hand. I believe we can also attract more admins to update in that simpler scenario. Please see the burnout rate among updating admins and think about it. Another idea I have, is to create an admin pool for updating DYK - with name of admin, the times he can update and the days he can update. If we have three admins covering each slot, we will definitely have regular turnaround of DYK. If we find that some slots are not taken, we can go to WP:AN and make an appeal for those slots - specific requests and a simpler process generate a better response any day. Else, we will keep discussing the same issues till eternity. FWIW, the discussion topics were the same from at least March 2006, when I started becoming inactive here. -- Gurubrahma 05:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand why five edits on the authors' talk pages are so exceedingly difficult to make. If they really are so time-consuming, a notification bot would be in order. I don't know how it would tackle the expanded articles, though. -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I was a fairly frequent updater, but haven't in quite a while. I created some javascript automation that makes placing the templates easier for me (it may not be easy for others... but if you want, look in User:Lar/DYK/monobook.js and my main monobook, you're welcome to it). I still liked leaving a personal note though. I haven't updated in a while because I find it hard to get 30 uninteruppted minutes to do it, which is what it seems to take, what with everything. We have some time and motion data available, from earlier discussions. I was a strong opposer of not adding the templates but now... I guess I no longer have standing to comment since I haven't updated since forever. A bot would be a good thing, I guess... ++ Lar: t/ c 14:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Another option would be to work one update in advance, leaving the next template-batch on a subpage for any admin who happens along after the update-time. This'd have a few benefits:
Any opinions? GeeJo (t)⁄ (c) • 11:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Can someone with some time go through the DYK's archive articles and sort it by date and break it off from the rest of the DYK's featured daily and group it by a monthly basis and include the picture that was also featured with the DYK article. For an example of what it should look like reference the other main page's archives, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day/November_2006
I think it would vastly improve the aesthetics and feel of the DYK archive and lead to better usage. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.125.176 ( talk • contribs) 12:16, 15 November 2006
How did Revolution make it into DYK when the article is over five years old as a stub and almost four years old as a non-stub? — An gr 07:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Topher0128 12:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
All right - I'd like to try and exercise my brand-new admin powers by having a try at updating DYK from the prepared template. However, the local image used in the new update - Image:HinduSwastika.svg - behaves strangely: it can be viewed, but trying to edit it (to add the {{ c-uploaded}} tag) comes up with an empty page. Any ideas? Sandstein 05:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
15.1.1949 - Lt. Gen. K.M. Cariappa becomes India’s first Chief of Army Staff and Commander-in-Chief of the Indian Army. Indian Press and Information bureau says that KM Cariappa was the first Chief of Army Staff while Rajendra Singh is credited the same status on DYK ..Which one is true? MerryJ-Ho 15:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it considered an conflic of interest, if updating the dyk next update and you add an article you suggested? I am inclined to skip over my own article as I would rather not even give the impression that I am doing it just so my article gets shown? Anybody have any suggestions on the proper procedure for this? - Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! - I am not an admin, I am just trying this whole next update thing. Preparing it in advance. I will however, err on the side of caution and not include my own contribution, and leave it up to somebody else to make that decision. Thanks for the feedback. Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Yea, that is what I was leaning towards. The reason I ask, is I have just recently started getting more interested in DYK, I have a nominations Cessna 165, and was working on the next update. I just skipped over it and worked up the list because I really dont want it looking like i am in it just for my own articles. If that makes sense., Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
It was discussed again at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/HighwayCello 3 recently. The candidate had shown strong dissent in the past when Cactus.man and Samuel_Blanning vetoed his noms, so I asked him to reaffirm his commitment to our gentlemane's agreement. When he started arguing a bit, people got upset. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
The Next Update trial's been running for a few days now, and I figure it's about time to start finding out what peoples' opinions are. Its original aims were to:
How do you feel it's working with regards to these aims? (I'll post my own opinion in a little while) GeeJo (t)⁄ (c) • 15:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I am slightly confused by the current trial. Does this allow the nominators to insert their own nominations into the template themselves? That seems slightly problematic. If not, probably a good idea. savidan (talk) (e@) 01:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
DYK…? needs a rethink. It's irritated me since I started reading it. Such a section should include facts that are in some way surprising or thought-provoking, not just obscure. The way it is now, the only thought likely to be provoked is: "Why should I care?" For example (using facts that happen to come to mind right now): "Did you know that Nicephorus was a Byzantine emperor of the 9th Century?" [present style; Dull] "Did you know that Nicephorus was the only Byzantine emperor killed in battle, apart from the very last emperor?" [Mildly interesting] "Did you know that after the Byzantine emperor Nicephorus was killed at the battle of … in 811CE, his skull was made into a drinking vessel by the Bulgar khan Krum?" [Much better] Patrick Neylan 00:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This has probably been suggested before, but perhaps the new article requirement should be eliminated and replaced with DYK required from each top portal field of interest (arts, sciences, humanities/social sciences, people, miscellaneous, or whatever) that is not from a FA or GA. The usefulness of DYK is lessened when snippets come from arbitrary topics which may never be expanded and leave older (yet not fully developed) topics of high interest to be left in lower visibility.
In essence, readers would be greeted with facts from every field and lead to articles that are already a bit developed, but just need a little bit of advertisement to make them great articles. falsedef 03:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I am working on the next update, and i regularly use the alternative main page. It usually is pretty good at updating. I cant get it to take the changes I made to the next update template. Not sure if it is a problem with my browser cache. (I did shit+ f5) or if anybody has reccomendations on how to force it to take the updated next update template! It would be much appreciated. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
This line:
...that John Singleton Copley's painting, Watson and the Shark (pictured), was based on a real-life shark attack that occured in Havana, Cuba in 1749?
needs a comma after "Cuba". Thanks. -- Pharillon 21:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
The linked text "newest articles" in the intro "From Wikipedia's newest articles:" should lead, logically, to a list of the newest articles, presumably the New Pages page, rather than to the DYK archive. This is confusing, since the archive page doesn't list new articles, only DYK blurbs about a subset of new articles. To take the reader there, there's already an Archive link at the bottom of the DYK section. -- Largo Plazo 01:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 10 | ← | Archive 13 | Archive 14 | Archive 15 | Archive 16 | Archive 17 | → | Archive 20 |
I've noticed a string of DYKs have been done that don't notify the creator. I honestly think it will discourage some of the people going out of their way to create interesting articles. While this is a website relying on altruism and the user talk page notifications are fairly meaningless --they are meaningful to the people who take the time to write these things. Anyway, just some food for thought, nothing more. -- Bobak 19:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
From my experience, the nomination that goes in the template first attracts considerably more attention than others, probably because it is illustrated. Is there any guideline which article should take the first place in the template, when free images are available for several nominations? To pick up the current template, why Sigrid Hjertén is preferrable to Siege of Constantinople (860)? If there is no guideline on this point, perhaps we should have one. -- Ghirla -трёп- 16:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation, but I still think that we need some guideline on the blurb which comes first. While there is a lot of superior nominations about to be expired, today the first line in the template is occupied by Västgötalagen, an unreferenced stubby stub (and even marked as such) about "a text describing medieval provincial laws" which is supposed to be "the oldest example of Early Swedish literature to survive in its entirety". I was not aware that a legal code qualifies as "literature"... -- Ghirla -трёп- 08:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Prigat item read:
...that in 1943, Prigat, a small and newly created juice manufacturer at the time, sold 775,000 syrup bottles to the British Army in the Palestine Mandate?
Considering that the state of Israel (where the current link goes) didn't exist in 1993. -- Jfruh ( talk) 03:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Why is it never written what does the image represent?! -- Eleassar my talk 11:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
My shot at a DYK from the article on The Joint Expedition Against Franklin. This is my first shot at this, so i am open for suggestions on how I can improve! Thanks.
...That The Joint Expedition Against Franklin was a small Civil War battle that occured on the Blackwater river near Franklin, Virginia in which 7 United States sailors were awarded Congressional Medals of Honor.
Chris Kreider 18:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, we have been through this before, but I still feel that it is required to flag this off, given that we are woefully short of updating admins. I'd prefer reguar updation of DYK to notification - ppl may feel that it is an inconvenience if they are not notified but would be devastated if their nom doesn't make it to DYK. I believe that updating article talkpage alone should be enough as long as we can promise better turnaround and more frequent updation of DYK. If people still feel that the article creator and the nominator (groan!) need to be notified, may be some non-admins can take up that work to help the updating admins. The minimum mandatory requirement for an updating nominator should be updating the article talkpage and nothing more. It is very beneficial for someone like me who works from a slow internet connection but would like to extend a helping hand. I believe we can also attract more admins to update in that simpler scenario. Please see the burnout rate among updating admins and think about it. Another idea I have, is to create an admin pool for updating DYK - with name of admin, the times he can update and the days he can update. If we have three admins covering each slot, we will definitely have regular turnaround of DYK. If we find that some slots are not taken, we can go to WP:AN and make an appeal for those slots - specific requests and a simpler process generate a better response any day. Else, we will keep discussing the same issues till eternity. FWIW, the discussion topics were the same from at least March 2006, when I started becoming inactive here. -- Gurubrahma 05:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand why five edits on the authors' talk pages are so exceedingly difficult to make. If they really are so time-consuming, a notification bot would be in order. I don't know how it would tackle the expanded articles, though. -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I was a fairly frequent updater, but haven't in quite a while. I created some javascript automation that makes placing the templates easier for me (it may not be easy for others... but if you want, look in User:Lar/DYK/monobook.js and my main monobook, you're welcome to it). I still liked leaving a personal note though. I haven't updated in a while because I find it hard to get 30 uninteruppted minutes to do it, which is what it seems to take, what with everything. We have some time and motion data available, from earlier discussions. I was a strong opposer of not adding the templates but now... I guess I no longer have standing to comment since I haven't updated since forever. A bot would be a good thing, I guess... ++ Lar: t/ c 14:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Another option would be to work one update in advance, leaving the next template-batch on a subpage for any admin who happens along after the update-time. This'd have a few benefits:
Any opinions? GeeJo (t)⁄ (c) • 11:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Can someone with some time go through the DYK's archive articles and sort it by date and break it off from the rest of the DYK's featured daily and group it by a monthly basis and include the picture that was also featured with the DYK article. For an example of what it should look like reference the other main page's archives, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day/November_2006
I think it would vastly improve the aesthetics and feel of the DYK archive and lead to better usage. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.125.176 ( talk • contribs) 12:16, 15 November 2006
How did Revolution make it into DYK when the article is over five years old as a stub and almost four years old as a non-stub? — An gr 07:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Topher0128 12:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
All right - I'd like to try and exercise my brand-new admin powers by having a try at updating DYK from the prepared template. However, the local image used in the new update - Image:HinduSwastika.svg - behaves strangely: it can be viewed, but trying to edit it (to add the {{ c-uploaded}} tag) comes up with an empty page. Any ideas? Sandstein 05:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
15.1.1949 - Lt. Gen. K.M. Cariappa becomes India’s first Chief of Army Staff and Commander-in-Chief of the Indian Army. Indian Press and Information bureau says that KM Cariappa was the first Chief of Army Staff while Rajendra Singh is credited the same status on DYK ..Which one is true? MerryJ-Ho 15:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it considered an conflic of interest, if updating the dyk next update and you add an article you suggested? I am inclined to skip over my own article as I would rather not even give the impression that I am doing it just so my article gets shown? Anybody have any suggestions on the proper procedure for this? - Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! - I am not an admin, I am just trying this whole next update thing. Preparing it in advance. I will however, err on the side of caution and not include my own contribution, and leave it up to somebody else to make that decision. Thanks for the feedback. Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Yea, that is what I was leaning towards. The reason I ask, is I have just recently started getting more interested in DYK, I have a nominations Cessna 165, and was working on the next update. I just skipped over it and worked up the list because I really dont want it looking like i am in it just for my own articles. If that makes sense., Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
It was discussed again at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/HighwayCello 3 recently. The candidate had shown strong dissent in the past when Cactus.man and Samuel_Blanning vetoed his noms, so I asked him to reaffirm his commitment to our gentlemane's agreement. When he started arguing a bit, people got upset. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
The Next Update trial's been running for a few days now, and I figure it's about time to start finding out what peoples' opinions are. Its original aims were to:
How do you feel it's working with regards to these aims? (I'll post my own opinion in a little while) GeeJo (t)⁄ (c) • 15:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I am slightly confused by the current trial. Does this allow the nominators to insert their own nominations into the template themselves? That seems slightly problematic. If not, probably a good idea. savidan (talk) (e@) 01:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
DYK…? needs a rethink. It's irritated me since I started reading it. Such a section should include facts that are in some way surprising or thought-provoking, not just obscure. The way it is now, the only thought likely to be provoked is: "Why should I care?" For example (using facts that happen to come to mind right now): "Did you know that Nicephorus was a Byzantine emperor of the 9th Century?" [present style; Dull] "Did you know that Nicephorus was the only Byzantine emperor killed in battle, apart from the very last emperor?" [Mildly interesting] "Did you know that after the Byzantine emperor Nicephorus was killed at the battle of … in 811CE, his skull was made into a drinking vessel by the Bulgar khan Krum?" [Much better] Patrick Neylan 00:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This has probably been suggested before, but perhaps the new article requirement should be eliminated and replaced with DYK required from each top portal field of interest (arts, sciences, humanities/social sciences, people, miscellaneous, or whatever) that is not from a FA or GA. The usefulness of DYK is lessened when snippets come from arbitrary topics which may never be expanded and leave older (yet not fully developed) topics of high interest to be left in lower visibility.
In essence, readers would be greeted with facts from every field and lead to articles that are already a bit developed, but just need a little bit of advertisement to make them great articles. falsedef 03:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I am working on the next update, and i regularly use the alternative main page. It usually is pretty good at updating. I cant get it to take the changes I made to the next update template. Not sure if it is a problem with my browser cache. (I did shit+ f5) or if anybody has reccomendations on how to force it to take the updated next update template! It would be much appreciated. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
This line:
...that John Singleton Copley's painting, Watson and the Shark (pictured), was based on a real-life shark attack that occured in Havana, Cuba in 1749?
needs a comma after "Cuba". Thanks. -- Pharillon 21:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
The linked text "newest articles" in the intro "From Wikipedia's newest articles:" should lead, logically, to a list of the newest articles, presumably the New Pages page, rather than to the DYK archive. This is confusing, since the archive page doesn't list new articles, only DYK blurbs about a subset of new articles. To take the reader there, there's already an Archive link at the bottom of the DYK section. -- Largo Plazo 01:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)