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I want to create some userboxes, but before creating I want to discuss if all the userboxes will be suitable with wikipedia guidelines or not. (I am here giving the texts which will be displayed on the userbox).
Please advice me out of the above-mentioned sentences, which will be suitable to be used in userbox according to wikipedia guidelines and which not.
Nuclear war is part of War. The purpose of Nuclear war and War are same, but the level of damage is different. When the purpose of war is damage, I do not find any problem in supporting nuclear war. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 15:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Do you have any objection with the sixth proposal? Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 16:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
All the nations, majority of the nations support nuclear weopon. United States support nuclear weopon. Then what would be the problem in supporting nuclear weapon? Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 16:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
The purpose of userboxes is to tell the ideology and opinion of users. When users do not directly tell their ideology, they tell it through userbox. It is the purpose of userboxes. The proposed userboxes will tell the opinion of the users who will use these userboxes. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 16:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
All the opinions posted above are my personal opinion. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 16:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
In wikipedia there is already a userbox opposing communism. {{ User:Brain40/Userboxes/Anti-communist}} Please tell me are the first four proposals violate any guideline? Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 16:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I am withdrawing the weapon related proposals. I am also withdrawing the proposal associated with Animal Liberation Front. However I think the first four proposals are not controversial. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 17:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
It is important to note, that such userboxes are strongly discouraged, even prohibited. If you check Wikipedia:UBX#Content_restrictions, the third bullet point reads:
This page makes references to WP:NOT#OPINION, which states against opinionation. While users may say that WP:NOT applies to articles, as it says in Wikipedia:User_page#Inappropriate_content:
Also, I cite WP:NOT#BLOG, which states under the first numeral:
What is important to note about this, is that these userboxes are not "relevant to working on the encyclopedia" and therefore should not be used in a userbox. As stated in Wikipedia:UBX#Content_restrictions:
I hope that you can now see that such userboxes do not belong on wikipedia. I hope that this does not seem like wiki-lawyering, but I felt that since this seemed to be mostly a discussion of preferences, and that policy had not been cited, that there needed to be some physical grounds as to why these are not appropriate. I think that the editors here need to focus not on the subject of the userboxes, but on the policy which denies their creation. Since wikipedia strives for NPOV, we must not let the debate of the ideals get in the way of the policies in place to control such matters. Thanks and have a nice day!-- Vox Rationis ( Talk | contribs) 17:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I am again saying that I am withdrawing my all proposals except the first four, because I think these four proposals do not violate any guideline. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 17:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I propose that we have some sort of prominent help wanted listing at the front page, or using the banner at the top of the page (when it's not preempted by other official announcements). The cleanup & sourcing backlogs are incredible, and anything that can be done to attract new, productive contributors would be nice. - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 10:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I was currently using AWB to redirect states to there original articles if someone searched for example, Concord, Nh -- which would be redirected to its orginal article. However, I was stopped by someone because I was creating to many broken articles, although, I go back and fix the broken redirects, or ask someone to delete them. He also said no one in their right mind would search for such a thing, and he took permission away from me to use AWB. Ohmpandya ( Talk) 21:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
(Portions of this proposal were originally sent as part of an e-mail to an admin who rejected a request for an abuse-report because the IP hadn't received enough blocks.)
It seems to me that the (anti-vandal) bots, while they perform a HUGELY valuable task in reverting vandalism, actually might HINDER the process of getting rid of vandals in the long run. For example--Look at the log for (IP address 24.190.150.146 [1]). It's largely vandalism. Had each of those incidents resulted in a stepped warning--vandalism1, vandalism2, vandalism3, vandalism4, and vandalism4im--this IP would have the requisite 5 blocks, probably long ago. But because the incidents were bot-reported, and thus very-gently bot-warned, they couldn't be blocked (no last-and-final warning, til I put one there) and now can't be abuse-reported (not enough blocks).
Is there a way that bots could be programmed to give stepped warnings, so that this last-and-final requirement can be met and the vandals can be blocked? I understand that it's difficult, in an environment as big as Wikipedia, to consider vandals on a case-by-case basis, but I've seen some BLATANT vandals get passed-over by admins more concerned with the process than the outcome--and in many cases, these pat-on-the-head bot-warnings were part of the issue. Gladys J Cortez 23:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Debate for a new CSD criterion has been taking place on the CSD talk page. The criterion would be CSD#T3, which would allow orphaned and deprecated templates that are not part of series to be speedy deleted after seven days.
The debate has been listed on Template:RFCpolicy list for the past several days. It seems that they are not any strong objections to adding the new criterion, however, as CSD is official policy, some users thought it would be best to post on a pump or noticeboard to ensure that a healthy number of people were aware of the debate. If you have a comment or would care to join in the debate, please visit WT:CSD. Cheers. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 03:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I've had an epiphany. We need to ban stubs. If an encyclopedic topic is not covered, either write a reasonably complete article (at least a few paragraphs) or add something about it to an appropriate existing article such as a "List of..." or the meta-article on the area. If and when sufficient material is added on that topic to justify breaking it out, then it gets its own article. If this is the rule, I think the encyclopedia will develop a more organic growth pattern, with articles growing like leaves beginning as buds on the branch of a tree. bd2412 T 11:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Strongly oppose. Stubs are great. At least they are much better than nothing. In fact often stubs are the buds from where leaves grow. But, if they don't, they at least provide the basic info for the Wikipedia user to get a grasp of the topic. -- Sugaar ( talk) 13:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The annoying nature of stubs is a benefit in disguise, in that if the person who comes across it has even a trace of obsessive-compulsive wikignomic tendencies, they feel compelled to google it and expand it. It feeds into the addictiveness. Sarsaparilla ( talk) 04:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
This is absurd you cant write a whole page article on EVREYTHING its nive to have big pages but alot of people rely on Wikipedia for these "stubs" Most of the articles I write are small pages or "stubs" I once wrote an article (Indirectly) on Caucasian Sketches a stub Whom May I add is the first things you see on Google when searching for it,Why steal people of such Knoledge. and to be truthfull several topics have hard to find knowladge, I strongly Opose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaharous ( talk • contribs) 01:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Moved to WP:VPR/Persistent proposals. Equazcion •✗/ C • 18:34, 28 Feb 2008 (UTC)
Moved to WP:VPR/Persistent proposals. Equazcion •✗/ C • 19:28, 28 Feb 2008 (UTC)
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I want to create some userboxes, but before creating I want to discuss if all the userboxes will be suitable with wikipedia guidelines or not. (I am here giving the texts which will be displayed on the userbox).
Please advice me out of the above-mentioned sentences, which will be suitable to be used in userbox according to wikipedia guidelines and which not.
Nuclear war is part of War. The purpose of Nuclear war and War are same, but the level of damage is different. When the purpose of war is damage, I do not find any problem in supporting nuclear war. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 15:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Do you have any objection with the sixth proposal? Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 16:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
All the nations, majority of the nations support nuclear weopon. United States support nuclear weopon. Then what would be the problem in supporting nuclear weapon? Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 16:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
The purpose of userboxes is to tell the ideology and opinion of users. When users do not directly tell their ideology, they tell it through userbox. It is the purpose of userboxes. The proposed userboxes will tell the opinion of the users who will use these userboxes. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 16:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
All the opinions posted above are my personal opinion. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 16:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
In wikipedia there is already a userbox opposing communism. {{ User:Brain40/Userboxes/Anti-communist}} Please tell me are the first four proposals violate any guideline? Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 16:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I am withdrawing the weapon related proposals. I am also withdrawing the proposal associated with Animal Liberation Front. However I think the first four proposals are not controversial. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 17:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
It is important to note, that such userboxes are strongly discouraged, even prohibited. If you check Wikipedia:UBX#Content_restrictions, the third bullet point reads:
This page makes references to WP:NOT#OPINION, which states against opinionation. While users may say that WP:NOT applies to articles, as it says in Wikipedia:User_page#Inappropriate_content:
Also, I cite WP:NOT#BLOG, which states under the first numeral:
What is important to note about this, is that these userboxes are not "relevant to working on the encyclopedia" and therefore should not be used in a userbox. As stated in Wikipedia:UBX#Content_restrictions:
I hope that you can now see that such userboxes do not belong on wikipedia. I hope that this does not seem like wiki-lawyering, but I felt that since this seemed to be mostly a discussion of preferences, and that policy had not been cited, that there needed to be some physical grounds as to why these are not appropriate. I think that the editors here need to focus not on the subject of the userboxes, but on the policy which denies their creation. Since wikipedia strives for NPOV, we must not let the debate of the ideals get in the way of the policies in place to control such matters. Thanks and have a nice day!-- Vox Rationis ( Talk | contribs) 17:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I am again saying that I am withdrawing my all proposals except the first four, because I think these four proposals do not violate any guideline. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 17:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I propose that we have some sort of prominent help wanted listing at the front page, or using the banner at the top of the page (when it's not preempted by other official announcements). The cleanup & sourcing backlogs are incredible, and anything that can be done to attract new, productive contributors would be nice. - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 10:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I was currently using AWB to redirect states to there original articles if someone searched for example, Concord, Nh -- which would be redirected to its orginal article. However, I was stopped by someone because I was creating to many broken articles, although, I go back and fix the broken redirects, or ask someone to delete them. He also said no one in their right mind would search for such a thing, and he took permission away from me to use AWB. Ohmpandya ( Talk) 21:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
(Portions of this proposal were originally sent as part of an e-mail to an admin who rejected a request for an abuse-report because the IP hadn't received enough blocks.)
It seems to me that the (anti-vandal) bots, while they perform a HUGELY valuable task in reverting vandalism, actually might HINDER the process of getting rid of vandals in the long run. For example--Look at the log for (IP address 24.190.150.146 [1]). It's largely vandalism. Had each of those incidents resulted in a stepped warning--vandalism1, vandalism2, vandalism3, vandalism4, and vandalism4im--this IP would have the requisite 5 blocks, probably long ago. But because the incidents were bot-reported, and thus very-gently bot-warned, they couldn't be blocked (no last-and-final warning, til I put one there) and now can't be abuse-reported (not enough blocks).
Is there a way that bots could be programmed to give stepped warnings, so that this last-and-final requirement can be met and the vandals can be blocked? I understand that it's difficult, in an environment as big as Wikipedia, to consider vandals on a case-by-case basis, but I've seen some BLATANT vandals get passed-over by admins more concerned with the process than the outcome--and in many cases, these pat-on-the-head bot-warnings were part of the issue. Gladys J Cortez 23:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Debate for a new CSD criterion has been taking place on the CSD talk page. The criterion would be CSD#T3, which would allow orphaned and deprecated templates that are not part of series to be speedy deleted after seven days.
The debate has been listed on Template:RFCpolicy list for the past several days. It seems that they are not any strong objections to adding the new criterion, however, as CSD is official policy, some users thought it would be best to post on a pump or noticeboard to ensure that a healthy number of people were aware of the debate. If you have a comment or would care to join in the debate, please visit WT:CSD. Cheers. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 03:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I've had an epiphany. We need to ban stubs. If an encyclopedic topic is not covered, either write a reasonably complete article (at least a few paragraphs) or add something about it to an appropriate existing article such as a "List of..." or the meta-article on the area. If and when sufficient material is added on that topic to justify breaking it out, then it gets its own article. If this is the rule, I think the encyclopedia will develop a more organic growth pattern, with articles growing like leaves beginning as buds on the branch of a tree. bd2412 T 11:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Strongly oppose. Stubs are great. At least they are much better than nothing. In fact often stubs are the buds from where leaves grow. But, if they don't, they at least provide the basic info for the Wikipedia user to get a grasp of the topic. -- Sugaar ( talk) 13:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The annoying nature of stubs is a benefit in disguise, in that if the person who comes across it has even a trace of obsessive-compulsive wikignomic tendencies, they feel compelled to google it and expand it. It feeds into the addictiveness. Sarsaparilla ( talk) 04:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
This is absurd you cant write a whole page article on EVREYTHING its nive to have big pages but alot of people rely on Wikipedia for these "stubs" Most of the articles I write are small pages or "stubs" I once wrote an article (Indirectly) on Caucasian Sketches a stub Whom May I add is the first things you see on Google when searching for it,Why steal people of such Knoledge. and to be truthfull several topics have hard to find knowladge, I strongly Opose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaharous ( talk • contribs) 01:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Moved to WP:VPR/Persistent proposals. Equazcion •✗/ C • 18:34, 28 Feb 2008 (UTC)
Moved to WP:VPR/Persistent proposals. Equazcion •✗/ C • 19:28, 28 Feb 2008 (UTC)