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I have been a Wikipedian for 11½ years, and an administrator for almost as long. However, I took an extended break from 2007 until recently, apart from a few sporadic edits. When I returned this year, I was shocked to find that the number of active administrators/sysops is about the same as what it was back in 2007! I would have expected to find at least 10,000 — but no.
I propose a thorough shake-up of the whole power structure. I am aware that certain folks who hold entrenched positions and/or who love titles will not like this proposal. But I think it would streamline the Wikipedia bureaucracy and make the project much more manageable. Here goes:
Positions to be abolished :
Proposed positions :
One other point: rights should be global, not restricted to a specific wiki. It's silly allowing somebody to do something on the English Wikipedia but not on the Italian Wikibooks, for example.
Well, that's a rough proposal. It's not set in concrete — feel free to amend it. But something has to be done to streamline the ossified, Byzantine power structure of Wikipedia, and make it more of a bottom-up than a top-down system. David Cannon ( talk) 12:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Another problem that I think such automation would solve is the way the whole RFA electoral process is skewed. Does every editor show up to vote? Nope. Just a few regulars and a few other sporadic visitors. What that means in practice is that those who get elected are not necessarily the ones who do the most work, or the best work, but rather then ones who have good "connections" - either with the regular voters on the RFA or with a pool of people who are usually non-voters, but will show up just to vote for "their" candidate. Other GOOD users, who just beaver away quietly in obscure corners of the project, paying little attention to developing such relationships, are less likely to be chosen. That's not the way democracy is meant to function. Automating the process would make the lifting of restrictions not tied to an "office" to be elected to, but rather a recognition that the user has been contributing both quantity and quality to the project and is not a fly-by-night. Every new user would know that if he or she sticks around, and does not cause trouble, these rights will be granted automatically. The six-month period is ample time [a] for the new user to learn the ropes and [b] for other users to notice any signs of trouble and report that to the Arbcom, who would then "flag" that user's account as restricted.
Of course, some unsuitable users will slip through the system that way. That's inevitable. But grandfathering present sysops and other "office holders", for want of a better term, into Guardians would mean that there would be a considerable number of people around with the power to do something about that. And if you re-read my propsal, the blocking power currently entrusted to sysops would be held only by Guardians.
As for why I want to restrict the "electorate" to those who are already Guardians: see my comments above on who currently votes at RFA. A mixture of hobbyists and single-candidate supporters (and opponents). A stable "electoral college" is preferable to an electronic town meeting where only those who support / oppose a particluar candidate show up. Moreover, given the sweeping powers that Guardians would possess, it is only fair that new Guardians should have the trust of their peers, as well as the nearly unanimous approval of the Arbcom. Preventing non-Guardians from voting would in no way prevent them from making submissions; they could make their objections known and I'm sure that the Arbcom would take them into account, if the Guardians voting had failed to do so. David Cannon ( talk) 07:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, folks! I think this is a great idea to explore Wikipedia.
Rat her than fill in the blanks, I think that the best way to quizzify is through well-made questions.
Not easy questions ("who was the 27th U.S. president?"), but deep questions. Not just "find a fact" questions, but "think about the subject" questions. -- NaBUru38 ( talk) 19:46, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi
Please revise guidelines with the view of getting contributors, particularly those from the US to provide suitable GEO context when the information they provide is US-centric ( or other country centric ).
I object to reading wording like "the supreme court" without geo qualification, unless geo qualification is offered elsewhere then it should read "the US Supreme Court" in deference to non-US citizens. The US supreme court has no juristriction in my country so I prefer to read about it as a foreign entity by means of qualification.
Writers from the US often write in a style in which figures or organisations of authority are referred to without any geo context, this can lead to a vague impression in the reader that the writer in some manner proposes these as global authorties rather than ones that apply only to US citizens. This is in effect a global example of the well known habit of New Yorkers to say that they come from "the city" which can be taken as arrogant by non-New Yorkers.
Careless lack of geo context gives an impression of arrogance and an impression of a world in which there is the US and then there are all the 'other' countries. I single out the US as in my subjective view media from the US is worse in this respect than media from other countries but the observation is meant to be universal with a specific focus.
The reader may very well guess the GEO context because certain figures or institutions are well known but that very same reader may still resent the fact that this is assumed. There are sensible limits for instance many city names are so well known and also unique that qualification seems redundant, on the other hand there are many presidents around the world so reference to "the president" will generally benefit from geo context.
I would like to see the US army, president, senate, supreme court and similar qualified by "US" when they are first introduced in any article, otherwise we may forget that France has a president, Ireland has a senate and most countries have armies, airforces and so on.
Kind regards
Jon
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There are regular occurrences where new editors to Wikipedia perform their first edit without realizing that their IP address will be shown in place of a username, and oversighters are periodically asked to suppress the IP information. There is a perception that the purpose of the current Oversight policy is only to protect registered users from accidental logged-out edits, and some oversighters will regularly decline such requests. This seems significantly problematic in that it is extremely easy to miss the "You are not logged in" flag at the top of the edit window (it is on a pale yellow background with black writing, and no differently coloured warning symbols). We know it's easy to miss because even experienced editors sometimes miss it. Attempts in the past to make this "notice" more obvious have been opposed by editors who deliberately choose to edit using their IP addresses, as well as others.
Therefore, I propose a slight expansion of the existing suppression criterion: request from new editor who can articulate that s/he did not realize that the IP address would be published in place of a username. We want to keep these new editors, not drive them away using rules that we do not apply to registered users; in fact, we want them to become registered users and keep editing. The fact that they have actually managed to find the way to request suppression indicates that they've quickly developed some useful Wikipedian skills. This is not a brand new oversight criterion, but an extension of an existing one to include not-yet-registered users/first time editors.
I've posted this here so that there can be discussion from the broader community, not just the small number of people who watch the Wikipedia:Oversight page. Risker ( talk) 00:57, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
The requirement that someone have an account is kind of defeating the purpose of this proposal; I would suggest that our standardized response to these cases (the OTRS 'canned text') strongly urge the creation of an account with appropriate links. Step One should be addressing what the user believes is an unexpected breach of their privacy. This isn't trying to protect people who are gaming the system, it is aimed at the top unexpected personal information exposures that new, unregistered users are exposed to. Oversighters already have the tools required to say "no" to a request that appears to be gaming the system. Risker ( talk) 15:32, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
I've just spent a while trying to disambiguate an article ( 2015 NCAA Division I Outdoor Track and Field Championships), which uses the common names for United States Universities. Its a repetitive process in related articles. In that sphere, state names and city names are common shortened names for the universities that bear the common name of the larger agency. So whenever one is working on an NCAA article, or an article on American Universities in general, those common shortenings would be used. Can't we build a set of those disambiguations that can be placed in a hidden header to an article that refers all links in the article to the set of defined names for that group? American postal codes have defined lists of 2 letter codes, which would currently all turn into disambiguation pages. For a long set of names (probably copied from list documents in sources) with the specified two letter code built in, it would certainly save editors a lot of labor to have an automatic feature that, if invoked, checks against the specified 2 letter codes and resolves the proper state name and wikilink out of it. Trackinfo ( talk) 00:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
There should be another option under TW named RFA on a user talk page. When you click on it, you can then type in a description for the user and Twinkle should automatically create an RFA subpage and put {{subst:RfA-nom|YOUR USERNAME}} on the user talk page. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 18:17, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Relatedly:
I think that together, such efforts may lead to better handling of encyclopedically relevant cultural-references and cultural-influence material, and a faster general reduction in unencyclopedic pop-culture trivia. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 11:58, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
My village name is Pilligundlu (V) , Dodderi (post),Rolla (mandal) ,Madakasira (Taluk), Anantapur -515321 .it was missing in Wikipedia please add my village name Pilligundlu (V) . appreciate if you add as soon as possible .— Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.159.8.238 ( talk • contribs)
I wonder if someone with technical knowledge could create a system where users could make/create their own personal death list. For example a list of celebs that are familiar to you. As I watch the Death 2015-list, it struck me that most of the persons on the list are unfamiliar to me. Possible as many as 95 %. Perhaps we could have a specific watchlist for persons on wikipedia that pops up on your page when someone on your list have died-- Ezzex ( talk) 17:02, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
A bot should automatically remove citation needed templates from pages about living persons. See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Remove contentious material that is unsourced or poorly sourced for more information. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 14:41, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
I think that on the Wikipedia facebook page there should be a simpal coments field just like there is on evry other normal facebook page. I also think that there should be a simpal share bution at the bottom of evry Wikipedia page so that I or any one for that matter can simply share what the are looking at on Wikipedia with any siocal web site account that they want. I regard the fact that you don't have one as you are behind the times in a way so pleas strongly think about theees 2 things. thanks musch — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1c1:8202:adad:9434:db4e:e185:a82c ( talk • contribs) 01:10, June 28, 2015
It had not occurred to me that Wikipedia even had a Facebook page, but it seems it does: https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia. It looks legit, but I'm not sure just how I would definitively check that. Does anyone know whether it's officially sanctioned by the WMF? Who decides what goes on it? -- Trovatore ( talk) 02:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Some time ago I thought that many readers would benefit if we could embed simple interactive programs (widgets) into articles to help illustrate and explain the concepts within them. So I thought of a crude way to implement it and made a proposal here. However, maybe due to technical and conceptual immaturity, it didn't garner much support. So I took it to my home project, the Spanish Wikipedia. There it sparked some interest, and slowly we refined it and eventually implemented it. Today we have two wikiwidgets already deployed, you can check them out here and here.
Today I'd like to share with you the way we implemented it, and ask for your support to get it working here in the English Wikipedia. Basically, to get the wikiwidgets working we need three things.
First we need to create the Template:WikiWidget. That's easy, I just did it. Second, we need to add the following lines to MediaWiki:Common.js:
/**
* Inserts WikiWidgets in the articles with the Template:WikiWidget
* WikiWidgets serve to illustrate and explain interactively the concepts treated within articles
*/
$( '.WikiWidget' ).each( function () {
var wikiwidget = $( this ).attr( 'data-wikiwidget' );
importScript( 'MediaWiki:WikiWidget-' + wikiwidget + '.js' );
importStylesheet( 'MediaWiki:WikiWidget-' + wikiwidget + '.css' );
});
This code checks for the presence of the WikiWidget template in every page. When found, it loads the code of the wikiwidget named in the first parameter of the template. If the wikiwidget is called X, the loaded code will be MediaWiki:WikiWidget-X.js and MediaWiki:WikiWidget-X.css. So the third step is to add the code of one or both existing wikiwidgets to their proper pages in the MediaWiki namespace, that is:
You can find the code in the homonymous pages in the Spanish Wikipedia, or at the GitHub project here.
Besides the implementation, a bit of documentation will be needed for the template, at Wikipedia:WikiWidget and maybe even a WikiProject, but I can take care of that. What I cannot do by myself is the stuff in the MediaWiki namespace, but even if I could, I think that the project is novel enough to require some support of the community before asking an admin to implement it. So I hope you like it and support it, and even help me develop it, cheers! -- Felipe ( talk) 15:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm adding a few quick comments here, to make sure that we're all using the same language:
If you're interested in this problem, then I'll add that a system for code review for gadgets and other designated scripts could be implemented, but it would require more than a little bit of dev time. I don't know if it's likely to happen unless the larger communities request it. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 15:19, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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I'm glad you like the idea Krinkle. I liked your suggestions too, so I implemented a couple of them in the Spanish Wikipedia. The "don't auto-start" suggestion was already implemented when you wrote. The widgets loaded automatically but didn't auto-start. Regarding your second suggestion of not auto-loading the widgets, the two available widgets so far are for relatively obscure topics, so they don't load too often and shouldn't be a burden to the servers, but in the future they may become more common, so the suggestion is reasonable. Furthermore, having a unified interface for the wikiwidgets sounds like a good idea too, so I created a logo for the project based on your suggestion of a play button and the standard colors of the Wikimedia logos. The project needed a logo too, so now it has one, yey!!
I also adjusted the JavaScript for MediaWiki:Common.js so that the logo is loaded instead of the wikiwidgets, and the wikiwidgets are loaded only when the logo is clicked. The new code for MediaWiki:Common.js is:
var WikiWidgetLogo = $( '<img>' ).attr({
'class': 'WikiWidgetLogo',
'src': 'https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/WikiWidget_Logo.svg/200px-WikiWidget_Logo.svg.png',
});
WikiWidgetLogo.click( function ( event ) {
var wikiwidget = $( event.target ).parent().data( 'wikiwidget' );
importScript( 'MediaWiki:WikiWidget-' + wikiwidget + '.js' );
importStylesheet( 'MediaWiki:WikiWidget-' + wikiwidget + '.css' );
});
$( '.WikiWidget' ).html( WikiWidgetLogo );
I also had to add a line to MediaWiki:Common.css to make the logo shine a little when hovering over it:
.WikiWidgetLogo:hover {
cursor: pointer;
opacity: 0.9;
}
So now, only the logo is loaded by default, and when clicked, the wikiwidget is loaded, which doesn't auto-start. Besides minimising requests to the server, this should make the wikiwidgets much more bearable for slow computers. The new implementation has already been deployed in the Spanish Wikipedia, you can check it out here and here. As to your last suggestion regarding explicit mention of the resources in the template, I think it is a good idea and should be implemented, and I tried several solutions in my mind and my local wiki. However, I haven't hit on the right one yet, there are several annoying little problems, so I left it rest for now. I hope it isn't a blocking issue for you, though I'll try to solve it in the following days.
I asked and got repositories created for the two existing wikiwidgets at Gerrit, here and here. This removes the requirement of having to create an account in a for-profit third-party service like GitHub in order to contribute to the project, which indeed wasn't ideal. Can I count with your support now, LFaraone and JohnBlackburne? Is there any other blocking issue?
WhatamIdoing, SMcCandlish, Stuartyeates, any comments on the new implementation? -- Felipe ( talk) 03:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Loading the code and stylesheets is still significant overhead in HTTP requests and consumer bandwidth usage, you respond
... they don't load too often and shouldn't be a burden to the servers .... Consumers are the clients, not the servers. Do not underestimate the number of people who use dial-up access or have limited-data plans.
I would like to propose Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_113#Link_from_an_old_revision_to_its_point_in_page_history again now. And I would like to add a proposal about adding a similar "Contributions-from-this-point" link next to the (talk | contribs) links in diffs and pages histories. User:Nyttend participated in the previous proposal. Iceblock ( talk) 14:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Although, if you had the first proposal ("find this revision in revision history") the second one is redundant, as the revision history page already has a "cur" link that finds the differences between that revision and the current page. Diego ( talk) 15:44, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
In one month, Windows 10 with its new browser Microsoft Edge will be officially released. Therefore, its time to have support for VisualEditor in Microsoft Edge. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 23:48, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
I propose that for each article, in every section, alongside the "Edit" button, we have another button, "View source". This would allow editors to see the code which generates the section text without opening the section for editing. Editors can then get a quick look at how specific formatting is accomplished without extensive hunting through the tutorials for explicit instructions, but without the slight danger of accidentally modifying the section.
For example, matrices have fairly complicated code. Suppose that someone wanted to insert matrices into a section of an article which does not already have matrices in it. The editor could simultaneously view the source code in another article which has matrices neatly formatted, while creating the matrices in the first article. — Anita5192 ( talk) 17:48, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
To be more accurate, timestamps on Wikipedia should also include seconds. The format would thus be hh:mm:ss. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 20:01, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Some of us, particularly admins, will be aware that users, particularly new users, are frequently unfamiliar with the details of Wikipedia technicalities. As we know, new entries on a talk page are ideally added at the bottom of the page. It is also true that unless the bottom of the page is actively sought for new entries will be added at the top of the page.
My question; is it possible to adjust the software so that a new page addition is automatically defaulted to the bottom of the page? And ,if that is technically possible, should the software be modified so that this occurs? If this were possible, and approved, it would make the following of threads, particularly in controversial situations, contested discussions and unblock discussions, very much easier to follow for all concerned - both admins and the various parties concerned. -- Anthony Bradbury "talk" 20:45, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
I would like to propose a new reference linking standardized automation. When a user is adding a linked reference, there should be an option to paste it into a space (as commonly seen on forums), automatically generating the reference as a linked title followed by auother an dpublisher. As they stand currently on Wikipedia, they have no standard order which could make it confusing for readers. I know it´s possible to do it manually, but it takes up a lot of time and energy when the user could be doing something more productive. OR an alternate could be a reference bot which would edit the reference links in the order of linked title >> author >>publisher.-- Nadirali نادرالی ( talk) 05:43, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
While using Wikidata properties on Wikipedia is a subject of much discussion, it seems that at least the image property (P18) could be used in infoboxes if no image is specified as a template value in the article. This would instantly add Commons images to thousands of articles! From my experience, the reliability of images on Wikidata is quite good, as many are drawn from Wikipedia (all language editions). Any reason not to do this (besides the usual FUD about Wikidata)? -- Magnus Manske ( talk) 18:40, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Cool idea in theory. Terrible idea in practice. One of the most difficult-to-address vectors of vandalism on English Wikipedia is images from Commons - yes, Commons, with a much larger community patrolling recent changes and modifications to existing images. If an article is not on someone's watchlist, nobody on enwiki is going to notice if someone links an inappropriate image to a Wikidata parameter, and the Wikidata community is not always in a position to be deciding whether or not an image is "appropriate". Sometimes there is a reason why projects don't have an image in the infobox. Does anybody think Arabic Wikipedia would appreciate Wikidata automatically inserting an image of Muhammed into that project's relevant article? Sometimes projects have made a conscious decision to have no image in a box, sometimes the image doesn't meet that project's requirements, and sometimes the project is unwilling and unable to come to a consensus on the image to be used. Risker ( talk) 22:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Instead of automatically including the image in the infobox, how about just flagging its availability and waiting for manual further action to include it. We could automatically populate a category of articles whose infoboxes have no image but for which a potential image is noted via wikidata. Then an editor could choose to include it or not. That solves the problem of malicious or against-en.wp-guideline content being propagated blindly from some other site's edits. DMacks ( talk) 20:32, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
On the user contributions page, there should be an additional checkbox for showing only minor edits. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 02:40, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
TL;DR: The recent test results show that there's no negative impact from offering VisualEditor to newly registered accounts, alongside the wikitext editor. Here's a plan for how we might offer it more widely in a gradual manner.
Hi everyone,
Yesterday, Aaron shared the results and his analysis of the recent VisualEditor A/B test. We designed the test to determine how giving users of new accounts the choice between the visual and wikitext editors would affect their activities on the English Wikipedia, and the effects that would have on the English Wikipedia's means of curating new revisions. In particular, we wanted to find out whether it would enable more damage (e.g. vandalism and sub-par good-faith edits) to take place, and whether it would add any further burdens to the work of the community of change patrollers.
The A/B test indicates that giving users the option to use VisualEditor does not result in extra vandalism, nor does it lead to lots of poor-quality edits. More specifically, we found that:
You can read more detail of the data collected and the means of analysis on Aaron's research page on meta.
I think these results are related to improvements made to VisualEditor over the past few years. Since 2013, we've learnt a great deal about making VisualEditor a good experience for our new and existing editors alike, not least through working with the various wiki communities where VisualEditor is already enabled for all users.
We have processed thousands of bugs, tasks and feature requests surfaced by community. Since June 2013, we have made over 100 production releases, each with improvements for usability, stability and/or performance. We ran several surveys, including a targeted exercise to improve VisualEditor's function and design and make sure improvements reflected community concerns. We held monthly "office hours" for editors to share their concerns, and later switched to holding open weekly triage meetings to make that sure we prioritise fixes and improvements around the most important aspects for you.
Lately, we've been focussed on making simple edits as easy as possible for users who don't yet know wikitext, so that they can focus on making valuable contributions to Wikipedia. Some of the features and improvements that support this include:
I'd like to thank all the editors who have helped us improve VisualEditor over the past two years. The millions of times people have used VisualEditor has given us vital data points to analyse and improve. The time people have taken to find, report, and highlight bugs as they arose on-wiki has been superb. The community participation on-wiki, on Phabricator and elsewhere, and the help we've had from some volunteer developers and community gadget authors, has been great, and has really driven forward integration with existing tools and workflows.
Given these results and the recent improvements, I think it is now time to undertake a slow, steady process in which we will gradually make VisualEditor available to more editors on the English Wikipedia, alongside wikitext editing. My current focus is strictly on new accounts, who I think have the most to gain from having VisualEditor available. To be clear, this would not involve changing the interface for existing editors. As always, existing editors here can opt-in to having VisualEditor available at any time via Special:Preferences.
So, what specifically would a graduated release for new accounts look like?
I always keep the impact on our current editors, patrollers, and curators at top of mind as I consider changes. Because no amount of testing and triage will ever catch every possible issue, I do not want to make changes quickly, and we have several processes in place to respond rapidly if anything does arise. To minimize any impact if problems do occur, we would gradually enable VisualEditor for new accounts, starting at 5%, which is about a dozen new active editors a day. This portion of new accounts would be able to choose which edit tab they wanted to use each time they edited: VisualEditor or the wikitext editor. The remaining 95% would get the existing experience, of just having the wikitext editor.
If that initial roll-out goes well, we would slowly and incrementally raise the threshold, making VisualEditor available to more new accounts. Throughout the process, we'd be carefully monitoring the on-going impact on both the new users and the wider community of experienced editors. Our regular public triage meetings will continue to take place, and I would be happy to continue the conversations there too, or on Phabricator. The pace of the roll-out would be determined by how well each step worked for all concerned, and the process would probably take a month or two before the choice reached all new users.
Again, this process would only affect newly created user accounts. Only once we're confident that the community's existing edit triage processes are faring well with the change for new accounts do I think we should look at enabling VisualEditor for logged-out users, as there are a huge number of edits made every day by IPs, and I don't want to swamp the community if anything does arise during subsequent testing.
As always, I would appreciate your thoughts on this proposal.
Yours,
Jdforrester (WMF) ( talk) 21:15, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
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Support – Editors should have both wikitext and VisualEditor. | Oppose – Editors should see only the wikitext editor. |
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Support proposal: Give (only) new editors two buttons, and let them make their own choices for each edit. Wikitext (for everyone) VisualEditor (second button) |
Oppose proposal: New editors should not have a choice. They should only see the wikitext editor. Wikitext (for everyone) VisualEditor (hidden) |
Rigor tells us we can't believe this result. Either there is a real, but very small effect or non at all.-- Ahecht ( TALK
We’ve had several conversations about what the proposal is, including some really odd comments that seem to come out of nowhere (e.g., "making [VisualEditor] the default" or "abandoning" wikitext: there’s not a single word in the actual proposal that says anything like that, because that’s absolutely not the proposal). Naturally, the comments that are most odd to me are the comments that amount to “Oppose, because I insist that instead of <something not in the proposal> you do exactly what this proposal says and give new accounts access to both editors!"
Since so many people are trying to WP:VOTE for or against a single binary question, despite this being a discussion about a proposal, I've tried to clarify "a question" at the top of the discussion section so that everyone will at least be voting on the same question. [3] Some of the !votes posted before then may appear a little confused to later readers.
I hope that this increases clarity, rather than creating another layer of confusion. This is partly inspired, in one way or another, by s o m e comments above, but also from general comments that people made about being confused and the apparently strong desire to vote on something. If you have ideas about how to improve the question, then please let me know (here or on my talk page). Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk) 04:54, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Should we be doing this when talk pages aren't covered by VisualEditor? I'm a bit worried about pushing two different editing styles on new users. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 21:15, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Some questions on the study:
Thanks, Sunrise ( talk) 02:01, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
What rationale has been provided for excluding talk pages from the scope of VE (referring to the objection which leads off this section)? Very curious about that. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:42, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Can someone from WMF please explain why this editor has to be, excuse my wording, shoved down the throat of people. It is my hope that the old-style editor is not going to be abandoned completely anyway (it should always be available to edit out quirks that the VE did not manage to handle for whatever reason), so why not run them next to each other - always? Just have for every person both the 'edit' and the 'visual editor' choice and they can ALWAYS use whatever they want. Why the insistence (including spending development money on studies showing that the new editor is just as good or even better than the old one) to have everyone use the new editor - give the choice, and when your site-stats show that 99%+ of the editors is using the new editor by choice, then you can consider to make it a default choice (but still keeping the old option available). -- Dirk Beetstra T C 06:40, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Every editor gets next to the original 'edit' tab a new tab with the title 'edit (visual editor)', and the old edit tab is renamed 'edit (source)' (appropriate naming making unambiguously clear to which editor an editor goes to be determined). The 'edit (visual editor)'-tab leads to the VE-editor, the 'edit (source)'-tab leads to the current edit interface. In the preferences, we get an option choosing either both, or one of the two are visible, and we have a follow-up RfC whether the two tabs are standard visible to every editor who did not make a choice either way.
When a newbie registers, they will get a notice asking them if they want to use VE or not:
Prefer a simpler editing interface?
Then you might want to try VisualEditor. By default, Wikipedia uses wiki markup, a specialized language for Wikipedia articles. However, wiki markup can be daunting.
For example, the wiki markup behind the lead of the United States article is long and complicated.{{for||US (disambiguation)|USA (disambiguation)|United States (disambiguation)}} {{pp-semi-indef|small=yes}} {{good article}} {{Use mdy dates|date=June 2015}} {{Use American English|date=March 2014}} {{Infobox country |conventional_long_name = United States of America |common_name = the United States |image_flag = Flag of the United States.svg |image_coat = Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg |symbol_type = Great Seal |national_motto = <div style="padding-bottom:0.5em;text-align:center;">"[[In God we trust]]"<ref>{{USC|36|302}} ''National motto''</ref><ref>[[#God|Dept. of Treasury, 2011]]</ref></div> {{collapsible list |title = ''{{nobold|Other traditional mottos }} '' |titlestyle = background:transparent;text-align:center;line-height:1.15em; |liststyle = text-align:center;white-space:nowrap; |{{native phrase|la|"[[E pluribus unum]]"|italics=off}} {{small|(de facto)}}<br>{{small|"Out of many, one"}} |{{native phrase|la|"[[Annuit cœptis]]"|italics=off}}<br>{{small|"[[God|He]] has favored our undertakings"}} |{{native phrase|la|"[[Novus ordo seclorum]]"|italics=off}}<br>{{small|"New order of the ages"}} }} |national_anthem = "[[The Star-Spangled Banner]]"<br /><br /><center>[[File:Star Spangled Banner instrumental.ogg]]</center> ---- <center>'''March:''' "[[The Stars and Stripes Forever]]"<ref name="national march">{{cite web|title=U.S. Code: Title 36, 304|work=United States Code|location=United States|publisher=Cornell Law School|url=http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode36/usc_sec_36_00000304----000-.html|date=August 12, 1998|accessdate=February 15, 2015|quote=The composition by John Philip Sousa entitled 'The Stars and Stripes Forever' is the national march.}}</ref></center><br /><center>[[File:The Stars and Stripes Forever - U.S. Navy Band.ogg]]</center> |image_map = United States (orthographic projection).svg |map_caption = The [[contiguous United States]] plus [[Alaska]] and [[Hawaii]] in green |alt_map = Projection of North America with the United States in green |image_map2 = US insular areas SVG.svg |alt_map2 = The United States and its [[Territories of the United States|territories]] |map_caption2 = The United States and its [[Territories of the United States|territories]] |map_width = 220px |capital =[[Washington, D.C.]] |latd=38 |latm=53 |latNS=N |longd=77 |longm=01 |longEW=W |largest_city =[[New York City]]<br />{{small|{{coord|40|43|N|74|00|W|display=inline}}}} |official_languages = {{nowrap|None at [[Federal government of the United States|federal level]] |De facto: [[English]]{{ref label|engoffbox|a|}}}} |languages_type = [[National language]] |languages = [[English language|English]]{{ref label|engfactobox|b|}}<!---NOTE: Just English, don't add "American English"---> |regional_languages = {{unbulleted list |[[English language|English]] |[[Spanish language|Spanish]]|[[French language|French]] |[[Hawaiian language|Hawaiian]] |[[Samoan language|Samoan]] |[[Chamorro language|Chamorro]] |[[Carolinian language|Carolinian]] |[[Alaska Native languages|19 Native Alaskan languages]]}} |official_religion = [[Freedom of religion in the United States|none]] |demonym = [[Americans|American]] |government_type = [[Federalism|Federal]] [[Presidential system|presidential]] [[Republic|constitutional republic]] |leader_title1 = [[President of the United States|President]] |leader_name1 = {{nowrap|[[Barack Obama]]}} |leader_title2 = [[Vice President of the United States|Vice President]] |leader_name2 = {{nowrap|[[Joe Biden]]}} |leader_title3 = {{nowrap|[[Speaker of the United States House of Representatives|Speaker of the House]]}} |leader_name3 = {{nowrap|[[John Boehner]]}} |leader_title4 = [[Chief Justice of the United States|Chief Justice]] |leader_name4 = [[John Roberts]] |legislature = [[United States Congress|Congress]] |upper_house = [[United States Senate|Senate]] |lower_house = [[United States House of Representatives|House of Representatives]] |sovereignty_type = <div style="text-align: left;">[[American Revolution|Independence]] from [[Kingdom of Great Britain|Great Britain]]</div> |established_event1 = [[United States Declaration of Independence|Declaration]] |established_date1 = July 4, 1776 |established_event2 = [[Articles of Confederation|Confederation]] |established_date2 = March 1, 1781 |established_event3 = [[Treaty of Paris (1783)|Treaty of Paris]] |established_date3 = September 3, 1783 |established_event4 = {{nowrap|[[United States Constitution|Constitution]]}} |established_date4 = June 21, 1788 |established_event5 = [[List of U.S. states by date of admission to the Union|Last state admission]] |established_date5 = August 21, 1959 |area_rank = 3rd/4th |area_magnitude = 1 E+12 |area_km2 = 9,826,675 |area_sq_mi = 3,794,100 |percent_water = 6.7 |area_label = Total Area |area_label2 = Total Land Area |area_data2 = 9,161,966 km<sup>2</sup> <br /> 3,537,500 sq mi |area_footnote = <ref name="WF"/>{{ref label|areabox|c|}} |population_estimate = 321,163,157<ref name="POP">{{cite web |url=http://www.census.gov/popclock/ |publisher=U.S. Census Bureau |title=U.S. and World Population Clock |accessdate=June 26, 2015}}</ref> |population_estimate_year = 2015 |population_estimate_rank = 3rd |population_density_km2 = 35 <!--figures use (population/land area) as of May 2015--> |population_density_sq_mi = 90.6 <!--figures use (population/land area) as of May 2015--> |population_density_rank = 180th |GDP_PPP_year = 2014 |GDP_PPP = {{nowrap|$17.418 trillion<!--end nowrap:-->}}<ref name=imf2/> |GDP_PPP_rank = 2nd |GDP_PPP_per_capita = $54,596<ref name=imf2/> |GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank = 10th |GDP_nominal = {{nowrap|$17.418 trillion}}<ref name=imf2>{{cite web|url=http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2015/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=33&pr.y=7&sy=2014&ey=2015&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=111&s=NGDPD%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPGDP%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=|title=Report for Selected Countries and Subjects|publisher=IMF}}</ref> |GDP_nominal_rank = 1st |GDP_nominal_year = 2014 |GDP_nominal_per_capita = $54,596<ref name=imf2/> |GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank = 10th |Gini_year = 2013 |Gini_change = <!--increase/decrease/steady--> |Gini = 38.0 <!--number only--> |Gini_ref = <ref>{{cite web|title=OECD Income Distribution Database: Gini, poverty, income, Methods and Concepts|url=http://www.oecd.org/els/soc/income-distribution-database.htm|website=Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Global inequality: How the U.S. compares|url=http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/19/global-inequality-how-the-u-s-compares/|website=Pew Research}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Income Distribution and Poverty : by country - INEQUALITY|url=http://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=46189|website=OECD}}</ref> |HDI_year = 2013<!-- Please use the year to which the data refers, not the publication year--> |HDI_change = steady<!--increase/decrease/steady--> |HDI = 0.914 <!--number only--> |HDI_ref = <ref name="HDI">{{cite web |url=http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/hdr14-summary-en.pdf |title=2014 Human Development Report Summary |date=2014 |accessdate=July 27, 2014 |publisher=United Nations Development Programme | pages=21–25}}</ref> |HDI_rank = 5th |EF_year = 2007 |EF = {{decrease}} 8.0 gha<ref name="EF">{{cite web |url=http://www.footprintnetwork.org/images/uploads/Ecological_Footprint_Atlas_2010.pdf |title=Ecological Footprint Atlas 2010 |publisher=Global Footprint Network |accessdate=July 11, 2011}}</ref> |EF_rank = 6th |currency = [[{{#property:p38}}]] ($) |currency_code = USD |country_code = USA |utc_offset = −5 to −10 |utc_offset_DST = −4 to −10{{ref label|UTCbox|d|}} |calling_code = [[North American Numbering Plan|+1]] |iso3166code = US |antipodes = [[Indian Ocean]]<br>[[Île Amsterdam]]<br>[[Île Saint-Paul]]<br>[[Kerguelen Islands]] |date_format = MM/DD/YYYY |drives_on = right{{ref label|driving|e|}} |cctld = {{nowrap|[[.us]]{{nbsp|3}}[[.gov]]{{nbsp|3}}[[.mil]]{{nbsp|3}}[[.edu]]}} |footnote_a = {{note|engoffbox}} English is the [[Official language of the United States|official language]] of at least 28 states; some sources give higher figures, based on differing definitions of "official".{{big|<ref name=ILW/>}} English and [[Hawaiian language|Hawaiian]] are both official languages in the state of [[Hawaii]]. [[French language|French]] is a ''de facto'' language in the states of [[Maine]] and [[Louisiana]], while [[New Mexico]] state law grants [[Spanish language|Spanish]] a special status.<ref>New Mexico Code 1-16-7 (1981).</ref><ref>New Mexico Code 14-11-13 (2011).</ref><ref name=C&F>{{cite book | last1 = Cobarrubias | first1 = Juan | last2 = Fishman | first2 = Joshua A. | authorlink2 = Joshua Fishman | year = 1983 | title = Progress in Language Planning: International Perspectives | publisher = Walter de Gruyter | page = 195 | isbn = 90-279-3358-8 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=x9KoAkzfVqIC&pg=PA195 | accessdate = December 27, 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite book | last = García | first = Ofelia | year = 2011 | title = Bilingual Education in the 21st Century: A Global Perspective | publisher = John Wiley & Sons | page = 167 | isbn = 1-4443-5978-9 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=bW6V__K95ckC&pg=PT167 | accessdate = December 27, 2011}}</ref> |footnote_b = {{note|engfactobox}} English is the ''[[de facto]]'' language of American government and the sole language spoken at home by 80 percent of Americans aged five and older. 28 states and five territories have made English an official language. Other official languages include [[Hawaiian language|Hawaiian]], [[Samoan language|Samoan]], [[Chamorro language|Chamorro]], [[Carolinian language|Carolinian]]. |footnote_c = {{note|areabox}} Whether the United States or [[China]] is larger has been [[List of countries and dependencies by area|disputed]]. The figure given is from the U.S. [[Central Intelligence Agency]]'s ''[[The World Factbook]]''. Other sources give smaller figures. All authoritative calculations of the country's size include only the 50 states and the District of Columbia, not the [[Territories of the United States|territories]]. |footnote_d = {{note|UTCbox}} See [[Time in the United States]] for details about laws governing time zones in the United States. |footnote_e = {{note|driving}} Except the [[United States Virgin Islands]]. }} The '''United States of America''' ('''USA'''), commonly referred to as the '''United States''' ('''U.S.''') or '''America''', is a [[federal republic]]<ref>{{cite book |title=The New York Times Guide to Essential Knowledge, Second Edition: A Desk Reference for the Curious Mind |year=2007 |publisher=St. Martin's Press |isbn=978-0-312-37659-8 |page=670|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-BIGv9vIoqcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ISBN9780312376598&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NE24VIzzHImggwT3toCIBA&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false}}</ref><ref>{{cite book |last=Onuf |first=Peter S. |title=The Origins of the Federal Republic: Jurisdictional Controversies in the United States, 1775–1787 |year=1983 |publisher=University of Pennsylvania Press |location= Philadelphia |isbn=978-0-8122-1167-2}}</ref> consisting of 50 [[U.S. state|states]] and a [[Washington, D.C.|federal district]]. The [[Contiguous United States|48 contiguous states]] and [[Washington, D.C.]], are in central [[North America]] between [[Canada]] and [[Mexico]]. The state of [[Alaska]] is located in the northwestern part of North America and the state of [[Hawaii]] is an [[archipelago]] in the mid-[[Pacific Ocean|Pacific]]. The country also has five populated and numerous unpopulated [[Territories of the United States|territories]] in the Pacific and the [[Caribbean]]. At 3.8 million square miles (9.842 million km<sup>2</sup>)<ref name="State and other areas">"[https://www.census.gov/geo/reference/state-area.html State and other areas]", U.S. Census Bureau, [https://web.archive.org/web/20120620155719/http://www.govcomm.harris.com/solutions/products/census/maf-tiger.asp MAF/TIGER] database as of August 2010, excluding the U.S. Minor Outlying Islands. viewed October 22, 2014.</ref> and with over 320 million people, the United States is the world's [[List of countries and dependencies by area|fourth-largest country by total area]] and [[List of countries and dependencies by population|third most populous]]. It is one of the world's most [[Race and ethnicity in the United States|ethnically diverse]] and [[Multiculturalism|multicultural]] nations, the product of large-scale [[Immigration to the United States|immigration from many countries]].<ref name="DD">Adams, J.Q.; Strother-Adams, Pearlie (2001). ''Dealing with Diversity''. Chicago: Kendall/Hunt. ISBN 0-7872-8145-X.</ref> The [[geography of the United States|geography]] and [[climate of the United States]] are also extremely diverse, and the country is home to a wide variety of wildlife.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.nwf.org/wildlife.aspx|title=Wildlife Library|publisher=National Wildlife Federation|accessdate= December 23, 2014}}</ref> [[Settlement of the Americas|Paleo-Indians migrated from Eurasia]] to what is now the U.S. mainland at least 15,000 years ago,<ref name=earliest/> with [[European colonization of the Americas|European colonization]] beginning in the 16th century. The United States emerged from [[Thirteen Colonies|13 British colonies]] located along the [[East Coast of the United States|East Coast]]. Disputes between [[Kingdom of Great Britain|Great Britain]] and the colonies led to the [[American Revolution]]. On July 4, 1776, as the colonies were fighting Great Britain in the [[American Revolutionary War]], delegates from the 13 colonies unanimously adopted the [[United States Declaration of Independence|Declaration of Independence]]. The war ended in 1783 with [[Treaty of Paris (1783)|recognition of the independence of the United States]] by the Kingdom of Great Britain, and was the first successful war of independence against a European [[colonial empire]].<ref>Greene, Jack P.; Pole, J.R., eds. (2008). ''A Companion to the American Revolution''. pp. 352–361.<br/>{{cite book |author=Bender, Thomas |title=A Nation Among Nations: America's Place in World History |url= https://books.google.com/books?id=wQHlrIz4gpYC&pg=PA61 |year=2006 |publisher=Hill & Wang |location=New York |page=61 |isbn=978-0-8090-7235-4}}<br/>{{cite web |url=http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/era.cfm?eraid=4&smtid=1 |title=Overview of the Early National Period |author=<!--Staff writer(s); no by-line.--> |date=2014 |website=Digitial History |publisher=University of Houston |access-date=February 25, 2015}}</ref> The country's [[United States Constitution|constitution]] was adopted on September 17, 1787, and ratified by the states in 1788. The first ten amendments, collectively named the [[United States Bill of Rights|Bill of Rights]], were ratified in 1791 and designed to guarantee many [[Natural and legal rights|fundamental civil rights and freedoms]]. Driven by the doctrine of [[Manifest Destiny]], the United States embarked on a vigorous expansion across North America throughout the 19th century.<ref name="MD2007" /> This involved [[American Indian Wars|displacing American Indian tribes]], [[United States territorial acquisitions|acquiring new territories]], and gradually [[List of U.S. states by date of admission to the Union|admitting new states]], until by 1848 the nation spanned the continent.<ref name="MD2007">{{cite book |last=Carlisle |first=Rodney P. |first2=J. Geoffrey |last2=Golson |title=Manifest Destiny and the Expansion of America |series=Turning Points in History Series |url=https://books.google.com/?id=ka6LxulZaEwC&vq=annexation&dq=territorial+expansion+United+States+%22manifest+destiny%22 |year=2007 |publisher=ABC-CLIO |isbn=978-1-85109-833-0 |page=238}}</ref> During the second half of the 19th century, the [[American Civil War]] ended legal [[slavery in the United States|slavery in the country]].<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2967.html|title=The Civil War and emancipation 1861–1865 |work=Africans in America |publisher=WGBH Educational Foundation|location=Boston, Massachusetts|year=1999|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/19991012054217/http://pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2967.html |archivedate=October 12, 1999 }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |editor1-first=Jeffrey H. |editor1-last=Wallenfeldt |author=Britannica Educational Publishing |series=America at War |title=The American Civil War and Reconstruction: People, Politics, and Power |url=https://books.google.com/?id=T_0TrXXiDbUC&dq=slavery+%22American+Civil+War%22 |year=2009 |publisher=Rosen Publishing Group |isbn=978-1-61530-045-7 |page=264}}</ref> By the end of that century, the United States extended into the Pacific Ocean,<ref name="AmCentNYT">{{cite book |url=http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/w/white-century.html |title=The American Century |author=White, Donald W. |year=1996 |isbn=0-300-05721-0 |publisher=Yale University Press |chapter=1: The Frontiers |accessdate=March 26, 2013}}</ref> and its economy, driven in large part by the [[Industrial Revolution]], began to soar.<ref>{{cite web|title=Work in the Late 19th Century|url=http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/timeline/riseind/work/|website=Library of Congress|accessdate=January 16, 2015}}</ref> The [[Spanish–American War]] and {{nowrap|[[World War I]]}} confirmed the country's status as a global military power. The United States emerged from {{nowrap|[[World War II]]}} as a global [[superpower]], the [[Nuclear weapons and the United States|first country to develop nuclear weapons]], the only country to [[Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki|use them]] in [[warfare]], and a [[Permanent members of the United Nations Security Council|permanent member]] of the [[United Nations Security Council]]. The end of the [[Cold War]] and the [[dissolution of the Soviet Union|dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991]] left the United States as the world's sole superpower.<ref>{{cite book|author1=Tony Judt|author2=Denis Lacorne|title=With Us Or Against Us: Studies in Global Anti-Americanism|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=nVDHAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA61|date=June 4, 2005|publisher=Palgrave Macmillan|isbn=978-1-4039-8085-4|page=61}}<br />{{cite book|author=Richard J. Samuels|title=Encyclopedia of United States National Security|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=K751AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT666|date=December 21, 2005|publisher=SAGE Publications|isbn=978-1-4522-6535-3|page=666}}<br />{{cite book|author=Paul R. Pillar|title=Terrorism and U.S. Foreign Policy|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=_GYklwy6booC&pg=PA57|date=January 1, 2001|publisher=Brookings Institution Press|isbn=0-8157-0004-0|page=57}}<br />{{cite book|author=Gabe T. Wang|title=China and the Taiwan Issue: Impending War at Taiwan Strait|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=CbPJ7KZ9FvIC&pg=PA179|date=January 1, 2006|publisher=University Press of America|isbn=978-0-7618-3434-2|page=179}}<br />{{cite book|title=Understanding the "Victory Disease," From the Little Bighorn to Mogadishu and Beyond|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=qgdmiw4VUHsC&pg=PA1|publisher=DIANE Publishing|isbn=978-1-4289-1052-2|page=1}}<br />{{cite book|author1=Akis Kalaitzidis|author2=Gregory W. Streich|title=U.S. Foreign Policy: A Documentary and Reference Guide|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=tzwYzL9KcwEC&pg=PA313|year=2011|publisher=ABC-CLIO|isbn=978-0-313-38375-5|page=313}}</ref> The United States is a [[developed country]] and has the world's largest economy by [[List of countries by GDP (nominal)|nominal and real GDP]], benefiting from an abundance of [[natural resource]]s and high worker productivity.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500395_162-3228735.html |title=U.S. Workers World's Most Productive |publisher=CBS News |date=February 11, 2009 |accessdate=April 23, 2013}}</ref> While the [[Economy of the United States|U.S. economy]] is considered [[post-industrial society|post-industrial]], the country continues to be one of the world's largest manufacturers.<ref>{{cite web |title= Manufacturing, Jobs and the U.S. Economy |year=2013 |url= http://www.aamfg.org/category/issues/jobs-and-economy/manufacturing-jobs-and-us-economy |publisher= Alliance for American Manufacturing}}</ref> Accounting for 34% of [[List of countries by military expenditures|global military spending]]<ref>{{cite web |url=http://books.sipri.org/product_info?c_product_id=476 |title=Trends in world military expenditure, 2013 |publisher=Stockholm International Peace Research Institute |date=April 2014 |accessdate=April 14, 2014}}</ref> and 23% of world GDP,<ref>{{Cite web|url = http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2015/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=23&pr.y=9&sy=2014&ey=2014&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=512%2C668%2C914%2C672%2C612%2C946%2C614%2C137%2C311%2C962%2C213%2C674%2C911%2C676%2C193%2C548%2C122%2C556%2C912%2C678%2C313%2C181%2C419%2C867%2C513%2C682%2C316%2C684%2C913%2C273%2C124%2C868%2C339%2C921%2C638%2C948%2C514%2C943%2C218%2C686%2C963%2C688%2C616%2C518%2C223%2C728%2C516%2C558%2C918%2C138%2C748%2C196%2C618%2C278%2C624%2C692%2C522%2C694%2C622%2C142%2C156%2C449%2C626%2C564%2C628%2C565%2C228%2C283%2C924%2C853%2C233%2C288%2C632%2C293%2C636%2C566%2C634%2C964%2C238%2C182%2C662%2C453%2C960%2C968%2C423%2C922%2C935%2C714%2C128%2C862%2C611%2C135%2C321%2C716%2C243%2C456%2C248%2C722%2C469%2C942%2C253%2C718%2C642%2C724%2C643%2C576%2C939%2C936%2C644%2C961%2C819%2C813%2C172%2C199%2C132%2C733%2C646%2C184%2C648%2C524%2C915%2C361%2C134%2C362%2C652%2C364%2C174%2C732%2C328%2C366%2C258%2C734%2C656%2C144%2C654%2C146%2C336%2C463%2C263%2C528%2C268%2C923%2C532%2C738%2C944%2C578%2C176%2C537%2C534%2C742%2C536%2C866%2C429%2C369%2C433%2C744%2C178%2C186%2C436%2C925%2C136%2C869%2C343%2C746%2C158%2C926%2C439%2C466%2C916%2C112%2C664%2C111%2C826%2C298%2C542%2C927%2C967%2C846%2C443%2C299%2C917%2C582%2C544%2C474%2C941%2C754%2C446%2C698%2C666&s=NGDPD&grp=0&a=|title = World Economic Outlook Database, April 2015|date = |accessdate = |website = |publisher = |last = |first = }}</ref> it is the world's foremost economic and [[United States Armed Forces|military]] power, a prominent political and [[Culture of the United States|cultural]] force, and a leader in [[Science and technology in the United States|scientific research and technological innovations]].<ref>[[#Cohen|Cohen, 2004: History and the Hyperpower]]<br />[[#BBC18may|BBC, April 2008: Country Profile: United States of America]]<br />{{cite web|url=http://www.researchtrends.com/issue8-november-2008/geographical-trends-of-research-output/|title=Geographical trends of research output|publisher=Research Trends|accessdate=March 16, 2014}}<br />{{cite web|url=http://www.openaccessweek.org/profiles/blogs/the-top-20-countries-for-scientific-output|title=The top 20 countries for scientific output|publisher=Open Access Week|accessdate=March 16, 2014}}<br />{{cite web|url=http://www.epo.org/about-us/annual-reports-statistics/annual-report/2012/statistics-trends/granted-patents.html|title=Granted patents|publisher=European Patent Office|accessdate=March 16, 2014}}</ref>
VisualEditor makes it easier by formatting the markup for you. Instead, what you see is what you will get - and edit! All you have to do is open, write, and save!
This way, if they don't want it, then they will be able to say no. This also links them to a guide and a page to test it out, preventing test edits by newbies wanting to test out VE. Esquivalience t 15:27, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi. I'm considering making a new skin for the Wikimedia projects. Yes, I know this is a terrible idea. I don't really care.
At this point, I'd just like to know what you all would actually want from such a skin, or stuff. I'm guessing people probably want the tools/links currently in vector/monobook to stick around, but what else? What do you think would help? What do you use a lot? What kind of layout do you want in general? -— Isarra ༆ 15:28, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
I know this is a terrible idea. I don't really care.is not a particularly effective way to sell your proposal. If the intent is to bat around some ideas without actually proposing anything yet, the place is WP:VPI. ― Mandruss ☎ 06:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
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Rather than merely tag dead links as being dead, can we have a bot see if the dead link was archived at the Internet Archive around the time when the link was added to the Wikipedia article, and either change the dead link to point to that Internet Archive link (which would presumably be a working representation of the page before it was a dead link), or at least make a report on the talk page proposing the fix? bd2412 T 04:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
|archive-url=
with |deadurl=yes
. This makes the citation title link to the archive while preserving the original link as "original" in the citation. Thus the original link can be easily checked for possible resurrection, which does happen sometimes. ―
Mandruss
☎ 05:03, 2 June 2015 (UTC)|deadurl=no
Doc James (
talk ·
contribs ·
email) 07:59, 2 June 2015 (UTC)We are wanting to create a bot that adds links to the archive.org url for urls marked with deadlink automatically when possible. We think it can be technically done at least some of the time. The eventual goal may be to have an archive url added even before the url goes dead to indicate the exact version that was used as a ref. Often websites changes their content even when the link does not go dead. Is their support for this idea? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 23:29, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
How can I get my site included in the Wayback Machine?
- Much of our archived web data comes from our own crawls or from Alexa Internet's crawls. Neither organization has a "crawl my site now!" submission process. Internet Archive's crawls tend to find sites that are well linked from other sites. The best way to ensure that we find your web site is to make sure it is included in online directories and that similar/related sites link to you.
- Alexa Internet uses its own methods to discover sites to crawl. It may be helpful to install the free Alexa toolbar and visit the site you want crawled to make sure they know about it.
- Regardless of who is crawling the site, you should ensure that your site's 'robots.txt' rules and in-page META robots directives do not tell crawlers to avoid your site.
It seems to me that some issues are very complex, requiring a lot of discussion, possibly for a few months, and probably could be decided by a small group of experts in the area. Is the Village Pump a good place for such things? Would there be any benefit to the concept of a task force, a sort of short-term WikiProject? Something like that could be tried informally for this issue on a page in the OP's user space, as a test of the concept. If things like this issue need community consensus, and I've seen more significant things happen without it, the group's solution could be brought back here as a well-developed proposal. If this process turned out to be no better, at least it wouldn't be any worse, and we would have learned something from the experience. ― Mandruss ☎ 10:57, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
If anyone, individual or group, manages to do anything that improves the situation, please do make sure you let me know. I'll shower them with barnstars, praise, love and puppies for eternity. It's a bane of the life of developers of quality content that it degrades with time, and this will be a massive dose of helpfulness in that regard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dweller ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
The RevDel tool grays out a revision without actually hiding it from the page history. There should be a tool to completely hide a revision from the page history without first deleting the entire page. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 02:27, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place on a proposal for a fast-track, community driven desysoping process which ultimately should also lead to making RfA easier to pass. You are invited to comment at RfC for BARC - a community desysoping process. -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 08:00, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I'd like to share with all of you a new proposal on montage issues, related to ethnicity. Some users lied me by telling that the standard to of images that can be put in montage would be 6x4 and others say 6x5. Everyone has different opinions. I've just discovered that THERE IN NO POLICY on wikipedia about this, i were false information given by experienced users. Pages like Americans, English People, Indian people, Arabs, Italians, Germans, French people and many others are always getting edit wars and vandalism, due to abstract of a Wiki policy on this. Can someone such as an Admin create any wiki policy on this? For example, in my opinion it is unnecessary to label 24 or 20 people in a montage, as none reads and cares them. Therefore the best and only solution would be THAT every article on these ETHNIC GROUPS must contain a montage which contain only 5 people. For instance for AMERICANS we can leave blank as now, but for ENGLISH people the montage should contain only 5 TOP people or little bit more (chronologically), such as "Elizabeth I, William Shakespeare, Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin and John Lennon", instead of putting more than 20 people. If this new policy will be created, then there won't any problem. In fact if you see those article's talkpages, users always disagrees with others, and some people get blocked as well. Hope it is clear. If someone has a question, feel free to ask me here. Thanks to everyone. Best luck!-- Edemastoryfinestoption ( talk) 14:09, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
That wasn't a personal attack.-- Edemastoryfinestoption ( talk) 19:33, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
This would need some explanation: but the Dutch Wikipedia has a top bar for users not logged in which reads 'Not logged in / IP address talk / IP address contributions'. Should we implement it here? 137.147.55.132 ( talk) 00:19, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
This page is not really for content dispute issues.
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I have been a Wikipedian for 11½ years, and an administrator for almost as long. However, I took an extended break from 2007 until recently, apart from a few sporadic edits. When I returned this year, I was shocked to find that the number of active administrators/sysops is about the same as what it was back in 2007! I would have expected to find at least 10,000 — but no.
I propose a thorough shake-up of the whole power structure. I am aware that certain folks who hold entrenched positions and/or who love titles will not like this proposal. But I think it would streamline the Wikipedia bureaucracy and make the project much more manageable. Here goes:
Positions to be abolished :
Proposed positions :
One other point: rights should be global, not restricted to a specific wiki. It's silly allowing somebody to do something on the English Wikipedia but not on the Italian Wikibooks, for example.
Well, that's a rough proposal. It's not set in concrete — feel free to amend it. But something has to be done to streamline the ossified, Byzantine power structure of Wikipedia, and make it more of a bottom-up than a top-down system. David Cannon ( talk) 12:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Another problem that I think such automation would solve is the way the whole RFA electoral process is skewed. Does every editor show up to vote? Nope. Just a few regulars and a few other sporadic visitors. What that means in practice is that those who get elected are not necessarily the ones who do the most work, or the best work, but rather then ones who have good "connections" - either with the regular voters on the RFA or with a pool of people who are usually non-voters, but will show up just to vote for "their" candidate. Other GOOD users, who just beaver away quietly in obscure corners of the project, paying little attention to developing such relationships, are less likely to be chosen. That's not the way democracy is meant to function. Automating the process would make the lifting of restrictions not tied to an "office" to be elected to, but rather a recognition that the user has been contributing both quantity and quality to the project and is not a fly-by-night. Every new user would know that if he or she sticks around, and does not cause trouble, these rights will be granted automatically. The six-month period is ample time [a] for the new user to learn the ropes and [b] for other users to notice any signs of trouble and report that to the Arbcom, who would then "flag" that user's account as restricted.
Of course, some unsuitable users will slip through the system that way. That's inevitable. But grandfathering present sysops and other "office holders", for want of a better term, into Guardians would mean that there would be a considerable number of people around with the power to do something about that. And if you re-read my propsal, the blocking power currently entrusted to sysops would be held only by Guardians.
As for why I want to restrict the "electorate" to those who are already Guardians: see my comments above on who currently votes at RFA. A mixture of hobbyists and single-candidate supporters (and opponents). A stable "electoral college" is preferable to an electronic town meeting where only those who support / oppose a particluar candidate show up. Moreover, given the sweeping powers that Guardians would possess, it is only fair that new Guardians should have the trust of their peers, as well as the nearly unanimous approval of the Arbcom. Preventing non-Guardians from voting would in no way prevent them from making submissions; they could make their objections known and I'm sure that the Arbcom would take them into account, if the Guardians voting had failed to do so. David Cannon ( talk) 07:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, folks! I think this is a great idea to explore Wikipedia.
Rat her than fill in the blanks, I think that the best way to quizzify is through well-made questions.
Not easy questions ("who was the 27th U.S. president?"), but deep questions. Not just "find a fact" questions, but "think about the subject" questions. -- NaBUru38 ( talk) 19:46, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi
Please revise guidelines with the view of getting contributors, particularly those from the US to provide suitable GEO context when the information they provide is US-centric ( or other country centric ).
I object to reading wording like "the supreme court" without geo qualification, unless geo qualification is offered elsewhere then it should read "the US Supreme Court" in deference to non-US citizens. The US supreme court has no juristriction in my country so I prefer to read about it as a foreign entity by means of qualification.
Writers from the US often write in a style in which figures or organisations of authority are referred to without any geo context, this can lead to a vague impression in the reader that the writer in some manner proposes these as global authorties rather than ones that apply only to US citizens. This is in effect a global example of the well known habit of New Yorkers to say that they come from "the city" which can be taken as arrogant by non-New Yorkers.
Careless lack of geo context gives an impression of arrogance and an impression of a world in which there is the US and then there are all the 'other' countries. I single out the US as in my subjective view media from the US is worse in this respect than media from other countries but the observation is meant to be universal with a specific focus.
The reader may very well guess the GEO context because certain figures or institutions are well known but that very same reader may still resent the fact that this is assumed. There are sensible limits for instance many city names are so well known and also unique that qualification seems redundant, on the other hand there are many presidents around the world so reference to "the president" will generally benefit from geo context.
I would like to see the US army, president, senate, supreme court and similar qualified by "US" when they are first introduced in any article, otherwise we may forget that France has a president, Ireland has a senate and most countries have armies, airforces and so on.
Kind regards
Jon
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There are regular occurrences where new editors to Wikipedia perform their first edit without realizing that their IP address will be shown in place of a username, and oversighters are periodically asked to suppress the IP information. There is a perception that the purpose of the current Oversight policy is only to protect registered users from accidental logged-out edits, and some oversighters will regularly decline such requests. This seems significantly problematic in that it is extremely easy to miss the "You are not logged in" flag at the top of the edit window (it is on a pale yellow background with black writing, and no differently coloured warning symbols). We know it's easy to miss because even experienced editors sometimes miss it. Attempts in the past to make this "notice" more obvious have been opposed by editors who deliberately choose to edit using their IP addresses, as well as others.
Therefore, I propose a slight expansion of the existing suppression criterion: request from new editor who can articulate that s/he did not realize that the IP address would be published in place of a username. We want to keep these new editors, not drive them away using rules that we do not apply to registered users; in fact, we want them to become registered users and keep editing. The fact that they have actually managed to find the way to request suppression indicates that they've quickly developed some useful Wikipedian skills. This is not a brand new oversight criterion, but an extension of an existing one to include not-yet-registered users/first time editors.
I've posted this here so that there can be discussion from the broader community, not just the small number of people who watch the Wikipedia:Oversight page. Risker ( talk) 00:57, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
The requirement that someone have an account is kind of defeating the purpose of this proposal; I would suggest that our standardized response to these cases (the OTRS 'canned text') strongly urge the creation of an account with appropriate links. Step One should be addressing what the user believes is an unexpected breach of their privacy. This isn't trying to protect people who are gaming the system, it is aimed at the top unexpected personal information exposures that new, unregistered users are exposed to. Oversighters already have the tools required to say "no" to a request that appears to be gaming the system. Risker ( talk) 15:32, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
I've just spent a while trying to disambiguate an article ( 2015 NCAA Division I Outdoor Track and Field Championships), which uses the common names for United States Universities. Its a repetitive process in related articles. In that sphere, state names and city names are common shortened names for the universities that bear the common name of the larger agency. So whenever one is working on an NCAA article, or an article on American Universities in general, those common shortenings would be used. Can't we build a set of those disambiguations that can be placed in a hidden header to an article that refers all links in the article to the set of defined names for that group? American postal codes have defined lists of 2 letter codes, which would currently all turn into disambiguation pages. For a long set of names (probably copied from list documents in sources) with the specified two letter code built in, it would certainly save editors a lot of labor to have an automatic feature that, if invoked, checks against the specified 2 letter codes and resolves the proper state name and wikilink out of it. Trackinfo ( talk) 00:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
There should be another option under TW named RFA on a user talk page. When you click on it, you can then type in a description for the user and Twinkle should automatically create an RFA subpage and put {{subst:RfA-nom|YOUR USERNAME}} on the user talk page. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 18:17, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Relatedly:
I think that together, such efforts may lead to better handling of encyclopedically relevant cultural-references and cultural-influence material, and a faster general reduction in unencyclopedic pop-culture trivia. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 11:58, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
My village name is Pilligundlu (V) , Dodderi (post),Rolla (mandal) ,Madakasira (Taluk), Anantapur -515321 .it was missing in Wikipedia please add my village name Pilligundlu (V) . appreciate if you add as soon as possible .— Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.159.8.238 ( talk • contribs)
I wonder if someone with technical knowledge could create a system where users could make/create their own personal death list. For example a list of celebs that are familiar to you. As I watch the Death 2015-list, it struck me that most of the persons on the list are unfamiliar to me. Possible as many as 95 %. Perhaps we could have a specific watchlist for persons on wikipedia that pops up on your page when someone on your list have died-- Ezzex ( talk) 17:02, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
A bot should automatically remove citation needed templates from pages about living persons. See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Remove contentious material that is unsourced or poorly sourced for more information. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 14:41, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
I think that on the Wikipedia facebook page there should be a simpal coments field just like there is on evry other normal facebook page. I also think that there should be a simpal share bution at the bottom of evry Wikipedia page so that I or any one for that matter can simply share what the are looking at on Wikipedia with any siocal web site account that they want. I regard the fact that you don't have one as you are behind the times in a way so pleas strongly think about theees 2 things. thanks musch — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1c1:8202:adad:9434:db4e:e185:a82c ( talk • contribs) 01:10, June 28, 2015
It had not occurred to me that Wikipedia even had a Facebook page, but it seems it does: https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia. It looks legit, but I'm not sure just how I would definitively check that. Does anyone know whether it's officially sanctioned by the WMF? Who decides what goes on it? -- Trovatore ( talk) 02:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Some time ago I thought that many readers would benefit if we could embed simple interactive programs (widgets) into articles to help illustrate and explain the concepts within them. So I thought of a crude way to implement it and made a proposal here. However, maybe due to technical and conceptual immaturity, it didn't garner much support. So I took it to my home project, the Spanish Wikipedia. There it sparked some interest, and slowly we refined it and eventually implemented it. Today we have two wikiwidgets already deployed, you can check them out here and here.
Today I'd like to share with you the way we implemented it, and ask for your support to get it working here in the English Wikipedia. Basically, to get the wikiwidgets working we need three things.
First we need to create the Template:WikiWidget. That's easy, I just did it. Second, we need to add the following lines to MediaWiki:Common.js:
/**
* Inserts WikiWidgets in the articles with the Template:WikiWidget
* WikiWidgets serve to illustrate and explain interactively the concepts treated within articles
*/
$( '.WikiWidget' ).each( function () {
var wikiwidget = $( this ).attr( 'data-wikiwidget' );
importScript( 'MediaWiki:WikiWidget-' + wikiwidget + '.js' );
importStylesheet( 'MediaWiki:WikiWidget-' + wikiwidget + '.css' );
});
This code checks for the presence of the WikiWidget template in every page. When found, it loads the code of the wikiwidget named in the first parameter of the template. If the wikiwidget is called X, the loaded code will be MediaWiki:WikiWidget-X.js and MediaWiki:WikiWidget-X.css. So the third step is to add the code of one or both existing wikiwidgets to their proper pages in the MediaWiki namespace, that is:
You can find the code in the homonymous pages in the Spanish Wikipedia, or at the GitHub project here.
Besides the implementation, a bit of documentation will be needed for the template, at Wikipedia:WikiWidget and maybe even a WikiProject, but I can take care of that. What I cannot do by myself is the stuff in the MediaWiki namespace, but even if I could, I think that the project is novel enough to require some support of the community before asking an admin to implement it. So I hope you like it and support it, and even help me develop it, cheers! -- Felipe ( talk) 15:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm adding a few quick comments here, to make sure that we're all using the same language:
If you're interested in this problem, then I'll add that a system for code review for gadgets and other designated scripts could be implemented, but it would require more than a little bit of dev time. I don't know if it's likely to happen unless the larger communities request it. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 15:19, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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I'm glad you like the idea Krinkle. I liked your suggestions too, so I implemented a couple of them in the Spanish Wikipedia. The "don't auto-start" suggestion was already implemented when you wrote. The widgets loaded automatically but didn't auto-start. Regarding your second suggestion of not auto-loading the widgets, the two available widgets so far are for relatively obscure topics, so they don't load too often and shouldn't be a burden to the servers, but in the future they may become more common, so the suggestion is reasonable. Furthermore, having a unified interface for the wikiwidgets sounds like a good idea too, so I created a logo for the project based on your suggestion of a play button and the standard colors of the Wikimedia logos. The project needed a logo too, so now it has one, yey!!
I also adjusted the JavaScript for MediaWiki:Common.js so that the logo is loaded instead of the wikiwidgets, and the wikiwidgets are loaded only when the logo is clicked. The new code for MediaWiki:Common.js is:
var WikiWidgetLogo = $( '<img>' ).attr({
'class': 'WikiWidgetLogo',
'src': 'https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/WikiWidget_Logo.svg/200px-WikiWidget_Logo.svg.png',
});
WikiWidgetLogo.click( function ( event ) {
var wikiwidget = $( event.target ).parent().data( 'wikiwidget' );
importScript( 'MediaWiki:WikiWidget-' + wikiwidget + '.js' );
importStylesheet( 'MediaWiki:WikiWidget-' + wikiwidget + '.css' );
});
$( '.WikiWidget' ).html( WikiWidgetLogo );
I also had to add a line to MediaWiki:Common.css to make the logo shine a little when hovering over it:
.WikiWidgetLogo:hover {
cursor: pointer;
opacity: 0.9;
}
So now, only the logo is loaded by default, and when clicked, the wikiwidget is loaded, which doesn't auto-start. Besides minimising requests to the server, this should make the wikiwidgets much more bearable for slow computers. The new implementation has already been deployed in the Spanish Wikipedia, you can check it out here and here. As to your last suggestion regarding explicit mention of the resources in the template, I think it is a good idea and should be implemented, and I tried several solutions in my mind and my local wiki. However, I haven't hit on the right one yet, there are several annoying little problems, so I left it rest for now. I hope it isn't a blocking issue for you, though I'll try to solve it in the following days.
I asked and got repositories created for the two existing wikiwidgets at Gerrit, here and here. This removes the requirement of having to create an account in a for-profit third-party service like GitHub in order to contribute to the project, which indeed wasn't ideal. Can I count with your support now, LFaraone and JohnBlackburne? Is there any other blocking issue?
WhatamIdoing, SMcCandlish, Stuartyeates, any comments on the new implementation? -- Felipe ( talk) 03:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Loading the code and stylesheets is still significant overhead in HTTP requests and consumer bandwidth usage, you respond
... they don't load too often and shouldn't be a burden to the servers .... Consumers are the clients, not the servers. Do not underestimate the number of people who use dial-up access or have limited-data plans.
I would like to propose Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_113#Link_from_an_old_revision_to_its_point_in_page_history again now. And I would like to add a proposal about adding a similar "Contributions-from-this-point" link next to the (talk | contribs) links in diffs and pages histories. User:Nyttend participated in the previous proposal. Iceblock ( talk) 14:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Although, if you had the first proposal ("find this revision in revision history") the second one is redundant, as the revision history page already has a "cur" link that finds the differences between that revision and the current page. Diego ( talk) 15:44, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
In one month, Windows 10 with its new browser Microsoft Edge will be officially released. Therefore, its time to have support for VisualEditor in Microsoft Edge. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 23:48, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
I propose that for each article, in every section, alongside the "Edit" button, we have another button, "View source". This would allow editors to see the code which generates the section text without opening the section for editing. Editors can then get a quick look at how specific formatting is accomplished without extensive hunting through the tutorials for explicit instructions, but without the slight danger of accidentally modifying the section.
For example, matrices have fairly complicated code. Suppose that someone wanted to insert matrices into a section of an article which does not already have matrices in it. The editor could simultaneously view the source code in another article which has matrices neatly formatted, while creating the matrices in the first article. — Anita5192 ( talk) 17:48, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
To be more accurate, timestamps on Wikipedia should also include seconds. The format would thus be hh:mm:ss. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 20:01, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Some of us, particularly admins, will be aware that users, particularly new users, are frequently unfamiliar with the details of Wikipedia technicalities. As we know, new entries on a talk page are ideally added at the bottom of the page. It is also true that unless the bottom of the page is actively sought for new entries will be added at the top of the page.
My question; is it possible to adjust the software so that a new page addition is automatically defaulted to the bottom of the page? And ,if that is technically possible, should the software be modified so that this occurs? If this were possible, and approved, it would make the following of threads, particularly in controversial situations, contested discussions and unblock discussions, very much easier to follow for all concerned - both admins and the various parties concerned. -- Anthony Bradbury "talk" 20:45, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
I would like to propose a new reference linking standardized automation. When a user is adding a linked reference, there should be an option to paste it into a space (as commonly seen on forums), automatically generating the reference as a linked title followed by auother an dpublisher. As they stand currently on Wikipedia, they have no standard order which could make it confusing for readers. I know it´s possible to do it manually, but it takes up a lot of time and energy when the user could be doing something more productive. OR an alternate could be a reference bot which would edit the reference links in the order of linked title >> author >>publisher.-- Nadirali نادرالی ( talk) 05:43, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
While using Wikidata properties on Wikipedia is a subject of much discussion, it seems that at least the image property (P18) could be used in infoboxes if no image is specified as a template value in the article. This would instantly add Commons images to thousands of articles! From my experience, the reliability of images on Wikidata is quite good, as many are drawn from Wikipedia (all language editions). Any reason not to do this (besides the usual FUD about Wikidata)? -- Magnus Manske ( talk) 18:40, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Cool idea in theory. Terrible idea in practice. One of the most difficult-to-address vectors of vandalism on English Wikipedia is images from Commons - yes, Commons, with a much larger community patrolling recent changes and modifications to existing images. If an article is not on someone's watchlist, nobody on enwiki is going to notice if someone links an inappropriate image to a Wikidata parameter, and the Wikidata community is not always in a position to be deciding whether or not an image is "appropriate". Sometimes there is a reason why projects don't have an image in the infobox. Does anybody think Arabic Wikipedia would appreciate Wikidata automatically inserting an image of Muhammed into that project's relevant article? Sometimes projects have made a conscious decision to have no image in a box, sometimes the image doesn't meet that project's requirements, and sometimes the project is unwilling and unable to come to a consensus on the image to be used. Risker ( talk) 22:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Instead of automatically including the image in the infobox, how about just flagging its availability and waiting for manual further action to include it. We could automatically populate a category of articles whose infoboxes have no image but for which a potential image is noted via wikidata. Then an editor could choose to include it or not. That solves the problem of malicious or against-en.wp-guideline content being propagated blindly from some other site's edits. DMacks ( talk) 20:32, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
On the user contributions page, there should be an additional checkbox for showing only minor edits. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 02:40, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
TL;DR: The recent test results show that there's no negative impact from offering VisualEditor to newly registered accounts, alongside the wikitext editor. Here's a plan for how we might offer it more widely in a gradual manner.
Hi everyone,
Yesterday, Aaron shared the results and his analysis of the recent VisualEditor A/B test. We designed the test to determine how giving users of new accounts the choice between the visual and wikitext editors would affect their activities on the English Wikipedia, and the effects that would have on the English Wikipedia's means of curating new revisions. In particular, we wanted to find out whether it would enable more damage (e.g. vandalism and sub-par good-faith edits) to take place, and whether it would add any further burdens to the work of the community of change patrollers.
The A/B test indicates that giving users the option to use VisualEditor does not result in extra vandalism, nor does it lead to lots of poor-quality edits. More specifically, we found that:
You can read more detail of the data collected and the means of analysis on Aaron's research page on meta.
I think these results are related to improvements made to VisualEditor over the past few years. Since 2013, we've learnt a great deal about making VisualEditor a good experience for our new and existing editors alike, not least through working with the various wiki communities where VisualEditor is already enabled for all users.
We have processed thousands of bugs, tasks and feature requests surfaced by community. Since June 2013, we have made over 100 production releases, each with improvements for usability, stability and/or performance. We ran several surveys, including a targeted exercise to improve VisualEditor's function and design and make sure improvements reflected community concerns. We held monthly "office hours" for editors to share their concerns, and later switched to holding open weekly triage meetings to make that sure we prioritise fixes and improvements around the most important aspects for you.
Lately, we've been focussed on making simple edits as easy as possible for users who don't yet know wikitext, so that they can focus on making valuable contributions to Wikipedia. Some of the features and improvements that support this include:
I'd like to thank all the editors who have helped us improve VisualEditor over the past two years. The millions of times people have used VisualEditor has given us vital data points to analyse and improve. The time people have taken to find, report, and highlight bugs as they arose on-wiki has been superb. The community participation on-wiki, on Phabricator and elsewhere, and the help we've had from some volunteer developers and community gadget authors, has been great, and has really driven forward integration with existing tools and workflows.
Given these results and the recent improvements, I think it is now time to undertake a slow, steady process in which we will gradually make VisualEditor available to more editors on the English Wikipedia, alongside wikitext editing. My current focus is strictly on new accounts, who I think have the most to gain from having VisualEditor available. To be clear, this would not involve changing the interface for existing editors. As always, existing editors here can opt-in to having VisualEditor available at any time via Special:Preferences.
So, what specifically would a graduated release for new accounts look like?
I always keep the impact on our current editors, patrollers, and curators at top of mind as I consider changes. Because no amount of testing and triage will ever catch every possible issue, I do not want to make changes quickly, and we have several processes in place to respond rapidly if anything does arise. To minimize any impact if problems do occur, we would gradually enable VisualEditor for new accounts, starting at 5%, which is about a dozen new active editors a day. This portion of new accounts would be able to choose which edit tab they wanted to use each time they edited: VisualEditor or the wikitext editor. The remaining 95% would get the existing experience, of just having the wikitext editor.
If that initial roll-out goes well, we would slowly and incrementally raise the threshold, making VisualEditor available to more new accounts. Throughout the process, we'd be carefully monitoring the on-going impact on both the new users and the wider community of experienced editors. Our regular public triage meetings will continue to take place, and I would be happy to continue the conversations there too, or on Phabricator. The pace of the roll-out would be determined by how well each step worked for all concerned, and the process would probably take a month or two before the choice reached all new users.
Again, this process would only affect newly created user accounts. Only once we're confident that the community's existing edit triage processes are faring well with the change for new accounts do I think we should look at enabling VisualEditor for logged-out users, as there are a huge number of edits made every day by IPs, and I don't want to swamp the community if anything does arise during subsequent testing.
As always, I would appreciate your thoughts on this proposal.
Yours,
Jdforrester (WMF) ( talk) 21:15, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Support – Editors should have both wikitext and VisualEditor. | Oppose – Editors should see only the wikitext editor. |
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Support proposal: Give (only) new editors two buttons, and let them make their own choices for each edit. Wikitext (for everyone) VisualEditor (second button) |
Oppose proposal: New editors should not have a choice. They should only see the wikitext editor. Wikitext (for everyone) VisualEditor (hidden) |
Rigor tells us we can't believe this result. Either there is a real, but very small effect or non at all.-- Ahecht ( TALK
We’ve had several conversations about what the proposal is, including some really odd comments that seem to come out of nowhere (e.g., "making [VisualEditor] the default" or "abandoning" wikitext: there’s not a single word in the actual proposal that says anything like that, because that’s absolutely not the proposal). Naturally, the comments that are most odd to me are the comments that amount to “Oppose, because I insist that instead of <something not in the proposal> you do exactly what this proposal says and give new accounts access to both editors!"
Since so many people are trying to WP:VOTE for or against a single binary question, despite this being a discussion about a proposal, I've tried to clarify "a question" at the top of the discussion section so that everyone will at least be voting on the same question. [3] Some of the !votes posted before then may appear a little confused to later readers.
I hope that this increases clarity, rather than creating another layer of confusion. This is partly inspired, in one way or another, by s o m e comments above, but also from general comments that people made about being confused and the apparently strong desire to vote on something. If you have ideas about how to improve the question, then please let me know (here or on my talk page). Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk) 04:54, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Should we be doing this when talk pages aren't covered by VisualEditor? I'm a bit worried about pushing two different editing styles on new users. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 21:15, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Some questions on the study:
Thanks, Sunrise ( talk) 02:01, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
What rationale has been provided for excluding talk pages from the scope of VE (referring to the objection which leads off this section)? Very curious about that. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:42, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Can someone from WMF please explain why this editor has to be, excuse my wording, shoved down the throat of people. It is my hope that the old-style editor is not going to be abandoned completely anyway (it should always be available to edit out quirks that the VE did not manage to handle for whatever reason), so why not run them next to each other - always? Just have for every person both the 'edit' and the 'visual editor' choice and they can ALWAYS use whatever they want. Why the insistence (including spending development money on studies showing that the new editor is just as good or even better than the old one) to have everyone use the new editor - give the choice, and when your site-stats show that 99%+ of the editors is using the new editor by choice, then you can consider to make it a default choice (but still keeping the old option available). -- Dirk Beetstra T C 06:40, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Every editor gets next to the original 'edit' tab a new tab with the title 'edit (visual editor)', and the old edit tab is renamed 'edit (source)' (appropriate naming making unambiguously clear to which editor an editor goes to be determined). The 'edit (visual editor)'-tab leads to the VE-editor, the 'edit (source)'-tab leads to the current edit interface. In the preferences, we get an option choosing either both, or one of the two are visible, and we have a follow-up RfC whether the two tabs are standard visible to every editor who did not make a choice either way.
When a newbie registers, they will get a notice asking them if they want to use VE or not:
Prefer a simpler editing interface?
Then you might want to try VisualEditor. By default, Wikipedia uses wiki markup, a specialized language for Wikipedia articles. However, wiki markup can be daunting.
For example, the wiki markup behind the lead of the United States article is long and complicated.{{for||US (disambiguation)|USA (disambiguation)|United States (disambiguation)}} {{pp-semi-indef|small=yes}} {{good article}} {{Use mdy dates|date=June 2015}} {{Use American English|date=March 2014}} {{Infobox country |conventional_long_name = United States of America |common_name = the United States |image_flag = Flag of the United States.svg |image_coat = Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg |symbol_type = Great Seal |national_motto = <div style="padding-bottom:0.5em;text-align:center;">"[[In God we trust]]"<ref>{{USC|36|302}} ''National motto''</ref><ref>[[#God|Dept. of Treasury, 2011]]</ref></div> {{collapsible list |title = ''{{nobold|Other traditional mottos }} '' |titlestyle = background:transparent;text-align:center;line-height:1.15em; |liststyle = text-align:center;white-space:nowrap; |{{native phrase|la|"[[E pluribus unum]]"|italics=off}} {{small|(de facto)}}<br>{{small|"Out of many, one"}} |{{native phrase|la|"[[Annuit cœptis]]"|italics=off}}<br>{{small|"[[God|He]] has favored our undertakings"}} |{{native phrase|la|"[[Novus ordo seclorum]]"|italics=off}}<br>{{small|"New order of the ages"}} }} |national_anthem = "[[The Star-Spangled Banner]]"<br /><br /><center>[[File:Star Spangled Banner instrumental.ogg]]</center> ---- <center>'''March:''' "[[The Stars and Stripes Forever]]"<ref name="national march">{{cite web|title=U.S. Code: Title 36, 304|work=United States Code|location=United States|publisher=Cornell Law School|url=http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode36/usc_sec_36_00000304----000-.html|date=August 12, 1998|accessdate=February 15, 2015|quote=The composition by John Philip Sousa entitled 'The Stars and Stripes Forever' is the national march.}}</ref></center><br /><center>[[File:The Stars and Stripes Forever - U.S. Navy Band.ogg]]</center> |image_map = United States (orthographic projection).svg |map_caption = The [[contiguous United States]] plus [[Alaska]] and [[Hawaii]] in green |alt_map = Projection of North America with the United States in green |image_map2 = US insular areas SVG.svg |alt_map2 = The United States and its [[Territories of the United States|territories]] |map_caption2 = The United States and its [[Territories of the United States|territories]] |map_width = 220px |capital =[[Washington, D.C.]] |latd=38 |latm=53 |latNS=N |longd=77 |longm=01 |longEW=W |largest_city =[[New York City]]<br />{{small|{{coord|40|43|N|74|00|W|display=inline}}}} |official_languages = {{nowrap|None at [[Federal government of the United States|federal level]] |De facto: [[English]]{{ref label|engoffbox|a|}}}} |languages_type = [[National language]] |languages = [[English language|English]]{{ref label|engfactobox|b|}}<!---NOTE: Just English, don't add "American English"---> |regional_languages = {{unbulleted list |[[English language|English]] |[[Spanish language|Spanish]]|[[French language|French]] |[[Hawaiian language|Hawaiian]] |[[Samoan language|Samoan]] |[[Chamorro language|Chamorro]] |[[Carolinian language|Carolinian]] |[[Alaska Native languages|19 Native Alaskan languages]]}} |official_religion = [[Freedom of religion in the United States|none]] |demonym = [[Americans|American]] |government_type = [[Federalism|Federal]] [[Presidential system|presidential]] [[Republic|constitutional republic]] |leader_title1 = [[President of the United States|President]] |leader_name1 = {{nowrap|[[Barack Obama]]}} |leader_title2 = [[Vice President of the United States|Vice President]] |leader_name2 = {{nowrap|[[Joe Biden]]}} |leader_title3 = {{nowrap|[[Speaker of the United States House of Representatives|Speaker of the House]]}} |leader_name3 = {{nowrap|[[John Boehner]]}} |leader_title4 = [[Chief Justice of the United States|Chief Justice]] |leader_name4 = [[John Roberts]] |legislature = [[United States Congress|Congress]] |upper_house = [[United States Senate|Senate]] |lower_house = [[United States House of Representatives|House of Representatives]] |sovereignty_type = <div style="text-align: left;">[[American Revolution|Independence]] from [[Kingdom of Great Britain|Great Britain]]</div> |established_event1 = [[United States Declaration of Independence|Declaration]] |established_date1 = July 4, 1776 |established_event2 = [[Articles of Confederation|Confederation]] |established_date2 = March 1, 1781 |established_event3 = [[Treaty of Paris (1783)|Treaty of Paris]] |established_date3 = September 3, 1783 |established_event4 = {{nowrap|[[United States Constitution|Constitution]]}} |established_date4 = June 21, 1788 |established_event5 = [[List of U.S. states by date of admission to the Union|Last state admission]] |established_date5 = August 21, 1959 |area_rank = 3rd/4th |area_magnitude = 1 E+12 |area_km2 = 9,826,675 |area_sq_mi = 3,794,100 |percent_water = 6.7 |area_label = Total Area |area_label2 = Total Land Area |area_data2 = 9,161,966 km<sup>2</sup> <br /> 3,537,500 sq mi |area_footnote = <ref name="WF"/>{{ref label|areabox|c|}} |population_estimate = 321,163,157<ref name="POP">{{cite web |url=http://www.census.gov/popclock/ |publisher=U.S. Census Bureau |title=U.S. and World Population Clock |accessdate=June 26, 2015}}</ref> |population_estimate_year = 2015 |population_estimate_rank = 3rd |population_density_km2 = 35 <!--figures use (population/land area) as of May 2015--> |population_density_sq_mi = 90.6 <!--figures use (population/land area) as of May 2015--> |population_density_rank = 180th |GDP_PPP_year = 2014 |GDP_PPP = {{nowrap|$17.418 trillion<!--end nowrap:-->}}<ref name=imf2/> |GDP_PPP_rank = 2nd |GDP_PPP_per_capita = $54,596<ref name=imf2/> |GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank = 10th |GDP_nominal = {{nowrap|$17.418 trillion}}<ref name=imf2>{{cite web|url=http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2015/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=33&pr.y=7&sy=2014&ey=2015&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=111&s=NGDPD%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPGDP%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=|title=Report for Selected Countries and Subjects|publisher=IMF}}</ref> |GDP_nominal_rank = 1st |GDP_nominal_year = 2014 |GDP_nominal_per_capita = $54,596<ref name=imf2/> |GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank = 10th |Gini_year = 2013 |Gini_change = <!--increase/decrease/steady--> |Gini = 38.0 <!--number only--> |Gini_ref = <ref>{{cite web|title=OECD Income Distribution Database: Gini, poverty, income, Methods and Concepts|url=http://www.oecd.org/els/soc/income-distribution-database.htm|website=Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Global inequality: How the U.S. compares|url=http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/19/global-inequality-how-the-u-s-compares/|website=Pew Research}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Income Distribution and Poverty : by country - INEQUALITY|url=http://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=46189|website=OECD}}</ref> |HDI_year = 2013<!-- Please use the year to which the data refers, not the publication year--> |HDI_change = steady<!--increase/decrease/steady--> |HDI = 0.914 <!--number only--> |HDI_ref = <ref name="HDI">{{cite web |url=http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/hdr14-summary-en.pdf |title=2014 Human Development Report Summary |date=2014 |accessdate=July 27, 2014 |publisher=United Nations Development Programme | pages=21–25}}</ref> |HDI_rank = 5th |EF_year = 2007 |EF = {{decrease}} 8.0 gha<ref name="EF">{{cite web |url=http://www.footprintnetwork.org/images/uploads/Ecological_Footprint_Atlas_2010.pdf |title=Ecological Footprint Atlas 2010 |publisher=Global Footprint Network |accessdate=July 11, 2011}}</ref> |EF_rank = 6th |currency = [[{{#property:p38}}]] ($) |currency_code = USD |country_code = USA |utc_offset = −5 to −10 |utc_offset_DST = −4 to −10{{ref label|UTCbox|d|}} |calling_code = [[North American Numbering Plan|+1]] |iso3166code = US |antipodes = [[Indian Ocean]]<br>[[Île Amsterdam]]<br>[[Île Saint-Paul]]<br>[[Kerguelen Islands]] |date_format = MM/DD/YYYY |drives_on = right{{ref label|driving|e|}} |cctld = {{nowrap|[[.us]]{{nbsp|3}}[[.gov]]{{nbsp|3}}[[.mil]]{{nbsp|3}}[[.edu]]}} |footnote_a = {{note|engoffbox}} English is the [[Official language of the United States|official language]] of at least 28 states; some sources give higher figures, based on differing definitions of "official".{{big|<ref name=ILW/>}} English and [[Hawaiian language|Hawaiian]] are both official languages in the state of [[Hawaii]]. [[French language|French]] is a ''de facto'' language in the states of [[Maine]] and [[Louisiana]], while [[New Mexico]] state law grants [[Spanish language|Spanish]] a special status.<ref>New Mexico Code 1-16-7 (1981).</ref><ref>New Mexico Code 14-11-13 (2011).</ref><ref name=C&F>{{cite book | last1 = Cobarrubias | first1 = Juan | last2 = Fishman | first2 = Joshua A. | authorlink2 = Joshua Fishman | year = 1983 | title = Progress in Language Planning: International Perspectives | publisher = Walter de Gruyter | page = 195 | isbn = 90-279-3358-8 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=x9KoAkzfVqIC&pg=PA195 | accessdate = December 27, 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite book | last = García | first = Ofelia | year = 2011 | title = Bilingual Education in the 21st Century: A Global Perspective | publisher = John Wiley & Sons | page = 167 | isbn = 1-4443-5978-9 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=bW6V__K95ckC&pg=PT167 | accessdate = December 27, 2011}}</ref> |footnote_b = {{note|engfactobox}} English is the ''[[de facto]]'' language of American government and the sole language spoken at home by 80 percent of Americans aged five and older. 28 states and five territories have made English an official language. Other official languages include [[Hawaiian language|Hawaiian]], [[Samoan language|Samoan]], [[Chamorro language|Chamorro]], [[Carolinian language|Carolinian]]. |footnote_c = {{note|areabox}} Whether the United States or [[China]] is larger has been [[List of countries and dependencies by area|disputed]]. The figure given is from the U.S. [[Central Intelligence Agency]]'s ''[[The World Factbook]]''. Other sources give smaller figures. All authoritative calculations of the country's size include only the 50 states and the District of Columbia, not the [[Territories of the United States|territories]]. |footnote_d = {{note|UTCbox}} See [[Time in the United States]] for details about laws governing time zones in the United States. |footnote_e = {{note|driving}} Except the [[United States Virgin Islands]]. }} The '''United States of America''' ('''USA'''), commonly referred to as the '''United States''' ('''U.S.''') or '''America''', is a [[federal republic]]<ref>{{cite book |title=The New York Times Guide to Essential Knowledge, Second Edition: A Desk Reference for the Curious Mind |year=2007 |publisher=St. Martin's Press |isbn=978-0-312-37659-8 |page=670|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-BIGv9vIoqcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ISBN9780312376598&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NE24VIzzHImggwT3toCIBA&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false}}</ref><ref>{{cite book |last=Onuf |first=Peter S. |title=The Origins of the Federal Republic: Jurisdictional Controversies in the United States, 1775–1787 |year=1983 |publisher=University of Pennsylvania Press |location= Philadelphia |isbn=978-0-8122-1167-2}}</ref> consisting of 50 [[U.S. state|states]] and a [[Washington, D.C.|federal district]]. The [[Contiguous United States|48 contiguous states]] and [[Washington, D.C.]], are in central [[North America]] between [[Canada]] and [[Mexico]]. The state of [[Alaska]] is located in the northwestern part of North America and the state of [[Hawaii]] is an [[archipelago]] in the mid-[[Pacific Ocean|Pacific]]. The country also has five populated and numerous unpopulated [[Territories of the United States|territories]] in the Pacific and the [[Caribbean]]. At 3.8 million square miles (9.842 million km<sup>2</sup>)<ref name="State and other areas">"[https://www.census.gov/geo/reference/state-area.html State and other areas]", U.S. Census Bureau, [https://web.archive.org/web/20120620155719/http://www.govcomm.harris.com/solutions/products/census/maf-tiger.asp MAF/TIGER] database as of August 2010, excluding the U.S. Minor Outlying Islands. viewed October 22, 2014.</ref> and with over 320 million people, the United States is the world's [[List of countries and dependencies by area|fourth-largest country by total area]] and [[List of countries and dependencies by population|third most populous]]. It is one of the world's most [[Race and ethnicity in the United States|ethnically diverse]] and [[Multiculturalism|multicultural]] nations, the product of large-scale [[Immigration to the United States|immigration from many countries]].<ref name="DD">Adams, J.Q.; Strother-Adams, Pearlie (2001). ''Dealing with Diversity''. Chicago: Kendall/Hunt. ISBN 0-7872-8145-X.</ref> The [[geography of the United States|geography]] and [[climate of the United States]] are also extremely diverse, and the country is home to a wide variety of wildlife.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.nwf.org/wildlife.aspx|title=Wildlife Library|publisher=National Wildlife Federation|accessdate= December 23, 2014}}</ref> [[Settlement of the Americas|Paleo-Indians migrated from Eurasia]] to what is now the U.S. mainland at least 15,000 years ago,<ref name=earliest/> with [[European colonization of the Americas|European colonization]] beginning in the 16th century. The United States emerged from [[Thirteen Colonies|13 British colonies]] located along the [[East Coast of the United States|East Coast]]. Disputes between [[Kingdom of Great Britain|Great Britain]] and the colonies led to the [[American Revolution]]. On July 4, 1776, as the colonies were fighting Great Britain in the [[American Revolutionary War]], delegates from the 13 colonies unanimously adopted the [[United States Declaration of Independence|Declaration of Independence]]. The war ended in 1783 with [[Treaty of Paris (1783)|recognition of the independence of the United States]] by the Kingdom of Great Britain, and was the first successful war of independence against a European [[colonial empire]].<ref>Greene, Jack P.; Pole, J.R., eds. (2008). ''A Companion to the American Revolution''. pp. 352–361.<br/>{{cite book |author=Bender, Thomas |title=A Nation Among Nations: America's Place in World History |url= https://books.google.com/books?id=wQHlrIz4gpYC&pg=PA61 |year=2006 |publisher=Hill & Wang |location=New York |page=61 |isbn=978-0-8090-7235-4}}<br/>{{cite web |url=http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/era.cfm?eraid=4&smtid=1 |title=Overview of the Early National Period |author=<!--Staff writer(s); no by-line.--> |date=2014 |website=Digitial History |publisher=University of Houston |access-date=February 25, 2015}}</ref> The country's [[United States Constitution|constitution]] was adopted on September 17, 1787, and ratified by the states in 1788. The first ten amendments, collectively named the [[United States Bill of Rights|Bill of Rights]], were ratified in 1791 and designed to guarantee many [[Natural and legal rights|fundamental civil rights and freedoms]]. Driven by the doctrine of [[Manifest Destiny]], the United States embarked on a vigorous expansion across North America throughout the 19th century.<ref name="MD2007" /> This involved [[American Indian Wars|displacing American Indian tribes]], [[United States territorial acquisitions|acquiring new territories]], and gradually [[List of U.S. states by date of admission to the Union|admitting new states]], until by 1848 the nation spanned the continent.<ref name="MD2007">{{cite book |last=Carlisle |first=Rodney P. |first2=J. Geoffrey |last2=Golson |title=Manifest Destiny and the Expansion of America |series=Turning Points in History Series |url=https://books.google.com/?id=ka6LxulZaEwC&vq=annexation&dq=territorial+expansion+United+States+%22manifest+destiny%22 |year=2007 |publisher=ABC-CLIO |isbn=978-1-85109-833-0 |page=238}}</ref> During the second half of the 19th century, the [[American Civil War]] ended legal [[slavery in the United States|slavery in the country]].<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2967.html|title=The Civil War and emancipation 1861–1865 |work=Africans in America |publisher=WGBH Educational Foundation|location=Boston, Massachusetts|year=1999|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/19991012054217/http://pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2967.html |archivedate=October 12, 1999 }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |editor1-first=Jeffrey H. |editor1-last=Wallenfeldt |author=Britannica Educational Publishing |series=America at War |title=The American Civil War and Reconstruction: People, Politics, and Power |url=https://books.google.com/?id=T_0TrXXiDbUC&dq=slavery+%22American+Civil+War%22 |year=2009 |publisher=Rosen Publishing Group |isbn=978-1-61530-045-7 |page=264}}</ref> By the end of that century, the United States extended into the Pacific Ocean,<ref name="AmCentNYT">{{cite book |url=http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/w/white-century.html |title=The American Century |author=White, Donald W. |year=1996 |isbn=0-300-05721-0 |publisher=Yale University Press |chapter=1: The Frontiers |accessdate=March 26, 2013}}</ref> and its economy, driven in large part by the [[Industrial Revolution]], began to soar.<ref>{{cite web|title=Work in the Late 19th Century|url=http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/timeline/riseind/work/|website=Library of Congress|accessdate=January 16, 2015}}</ref> The [[Spanish–American War]] and {{nowrap|[[World War I]]}} confirmed the country's status as a global military power. The United States emerged from {{nowrap|[[World War II]]}} as a global [[superpower]], the [[Nuclear weapons and the United States|first country to develop nuclear weapons]], the only country to [[Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki|use them]] in [[warfare]], and a [[Permanent members of the United Nations Security Council|permanent member]] of the [[United Nations Security Council]]. The end of the [[Cold War]] and the [[dissolution of the Soviet Union|dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991]] left the United States as the world's sole superpower.<ref>{{cite book|author1=Tony Judt|author2=Denis Lacorne|title=With Us Or Against Us: Studies in Global Anti-Americanism|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=nVDHAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA61|date=June 4, 2005|publisher=Palgrave Macmillan|isbn=978-1-4039-8085-4|page=61}}<br />{{cite book|author=Richard J. Samuels|title=Encyclopedia of United States National Security|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=K751AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT666|date=December 21, 2005|publisher=SAGE Publications|isbn=978-1-4522-6535-3|page=666}}<br />{{cite book|author=Paul R. Pillar|title=Terrorism and U.S. Foreign Policy|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=_GYklwy6booC&pg=PA57|date=January 1, 2001|publisher=Brookings Institution Press|isbn=0-8157-0004-0|page=57}}<br />{{cite book|author=Gabe T. Wang|title=China and the Taiwan Issue: Impending War at Taiwan Strait|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=CbPJ7KZ9FvIC&pg=PA179|date=January 1, 2006|publisher=University Press of America|isbn=978-0-7618-3434-2|page=179}}<br />{{cite book|title=Understanding the "Victory Disease," From the Little Bighorn to Mogadishu and Beyond|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=qgdmiw4VUHsC&pg=PA1|publisher=DIANE Publishing|isbn=978-1-4289-1052-2|page=1}}<br />{{cite book|author1=Akis Kalaitzidis|author2=Gregory W. Streich|title=U.S. Foreign Policy: A Documentary and Reference Guide|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=tzwYzL9KcwEC&pg=PA313|year=2011|publisher=ABC-CLIO|isbn=978-0-313-38375-5|page=313}}</ref> The United States is a [[developed country]] and has the world's largest economy by [[List of countries by GDP (nominal)|nominal and real GDP]], benefiting from an abundance of [[natural resource]]s and high worker productivity.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500395_162-3228735.html |title=U.S. Workers World's Most Productive |publisher=CBS News |date=February 11, 2009 |accessdate=April 23, 2013}}</ref> While the [[Economy of the United States|U.S. economy]] is considered [[post-industrial society|post-industrial]], the country continues to be one of the world's largest manufacturers.<ref>{{cite web |title= Manufacturing, Jobs and the U.S. Economy |year=2013 |url= http://www.aamfg.org/category/issues/jobs-and-economy/manufacturing-jobs-and-us-economy |publisher= Alliance for American Manufacturing}}</ref> Accounting for 34% of [[List of countries by military expenditures|global military spending]]<ref>{{cite web |url=http://books.sipri.org/product_info?c_product_id=476 |title=Trends in world military expenditure, 2013 |publisher=Stockholm International Peace Research Institute |date=April 2014 |accessdate=April 14, 2014}}</ref> and 23% of world GDP,<ref>{{Cite web|url = http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2015/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=23&pr.y=9&sy=2014&ey=2014&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=512%2C668%2C914%2C672%2C612%2C946%2C614%2C137%2C311%2C962%2C213%2C674%2C911%2C676%2C193%2C548%2C122%2C556%2C912%2C678%2C313%2C181%2C419%2C867%2C513%2C682%2C316%2C684%2C913%2C273%2C124%2C868%2C339%2C921%2C638%2C948%2C514%2C943%2C218%2C686%2C963%2C688%2C616%2C518%2C223%2C728%2C516%2C558%2C918%2C138%2C748%2C196%2C618%2C278%2C624%2C692%2C522%2C694%2C622%2C142%2C156%2C449%2C626%2C564%2C628%2C565%2C228%2C283%2C924%2C853%2C233%2C288%2C632%2C293%2C636%2C566%2C634%2C964%2C238%2C182%2C662%2C453%2C960%2C968%2C423%2C922%2C935%2C714%2C128%2C862%2C611%2C135%2C321%2C716%2C243%2C456%2C248%2C722%2C469%2C942%2C253%2C718%2C642%2C724%2C643%2C576%2C939%2C936%2C644%2C961%2C819%2C813%2C172%2C199%2C132%2C733%2C646%2C184%2C648%2C524%2C915%2C361%2C134%2C362%2C652%2C364%2C174%2C732%2C328%2C366%2C258%2C734%2C656%2C144%2C654%2C146%2C336%2C463%2C263%2C528%2C268%2C923%2C532%2C738%2C944%2C578%2C176%2C537%2C534%2C742%2C536%2C866%2C429%2C369%2C433%2C744%2C178%2C186%2C436%2C925%2C136%2C869%2C343%2C746%2C158%2C926%2C439%2C466%2C916%2C112%2C664%2C111%2C826%2C298%2C542%2C927%2C967%2C846%2C443%2C299%2C917%2C582%2C544%2C474%2C941%2C754%2C446%2C698%2C666&s=NGDPD&grp=0&a=|title = World Economic Outlook Database, April 2015|date = |accessdate = |website = |publisher = |last = |first = }}</ref> it is the world's foremost economic and [[United States Armed Forces|military]] power, a prominent political and [[Culture of the United States|cultural]] force, and a leader in [[Science and technology in the United States|scientific research and technological innovations]].<ref>[[#Cohen|Cohen, 2004: History and the Hyperpower]]<br />[[#BBC18may|BBC, April 2008: Country Profile: United States of America]]<br />{{cite web|url=http://www.researchtrends.com/issue8-november-2008/geographical-trends-of-research-output/|title=Geographical trends of research output|publisher=Research Trends|accessdate=March 16, 2014}}<br />{{cite web|url=http://www.openaccessweek.org/profiles/blogs/the-top-20-countries-for-scientific-output|title=The top 20 countries for scientific output|publisher=Open Access Week|accessdate=March 16, 2014}}<br />{{cite web|url=http://www.epo.org/about-us/annual-reports-statistics/annual-report/2012/statistics-trends/granted-patents.html|title=Granted patents|publisher=European Patent Office|accessdate=March 16, 2014}}</ref>
VisualEditor makes it easier by formatting the markup for you. Instead, what you see is what you will get - and edit! All you have to do is open, write, and save!
This way, if they don't want it, then they will be able to say no. This also links them to a guide and a page to test it out, preventing test edits by newbies wanting to test out VE. Esquivalience t 15:27, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi. I'm considering making a new skin for the Wikimedia projects. Yes, I know this is a terrible idea. I don't really care.
At this point, I'd just like to know what you all would actually want from such a skin, or stuff. I'm guessing people probably want the tools/links currently in vector/monobook to stick around, but what else? What do you think would help? What do you use a lot? What kind of layout do you want in general? -— Isarra ༆ 15:28, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
I know this is a terrible idea. I don't really care.is not a particularly effective way to sell your proposal. If the intent is to bat around some ideas without actually proposing anything yet, the place is WP:VPI. ― Mandruss ☎ 06:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Rather than merely tag dead links as being dead, can we have a bot see if the dead link was archived at the Internet Archive around the time when the link was added to the Wikipedia article, and either change the dead link to point to that Internet Archive link (which would presumably be a working representation of the page before it was a dead link), or at least make a report on the talk page proposing the fix? bd2412 T 04:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
|archive-url=
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. This makes the citation title link to the archive while preserving the original link as "original" in the citation. Thus the original link can be easily checked for possible resurrection, which does happen sometimes. ―
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Doc James (
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How can I get my site included in the Wayback Machine?
- Much of our archived web data comes from our own crawls or from Alexa Internet's crawls. Neither organization has a "crawl my site now!" submission process. Internet Archive's crawls tend to find sites that are well linked from other sites. The best way to ensure that we find your web site is to make sure it is included in online directories and that similar/related sites link to you.
- Alexa Internet uses its own methods to discover sites to crawl. It may be helpful to install the free Alexa toolbar and visit the site you want crawled to make sure they know about it.
- Regardless of who is crawling the site, you should ensure that your site's 'robots.txt' rules and in-page META robots directives do not tell crawlers to avoid your site.
It seems to me that some issues are very complex, requiring a lot of discussion, possibly for a few months, and probably could be decided by a small group of experts in the area. Is the Village Pump a good place for such things? Would there be any benefit to the concept of a task force, a sort of short-term WikiProject? Something like that could be tried informally for this issue on a page in the OP's user space, as a test of the concept. If things like this issue need community consensus, and I've seen more significant things happen without it, the group's solution could be brought back here as a well-developed proposal. If this process turned out to be no better, at least it wouldn't be any worse, and we would have learned something from the experience. ― Mandruss ☎ 10:57, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
If anyone, individual or group, manages to do anything that improves the situation, please do make sure you let me know. I'll shower them with barnstars, praise, love and puppies for eternity. It's a bane of the life of developers of quality content that it degrades with time, and this will be a massive dose of helpfulness in that regard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dweller ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
The RevDel tool grays out a revision without actually hiding it from the page history. There should be a tool to completely hide a revision from the page history without first deleting the entire page. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 02:27, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place on a proposal for a fast-track, community driven desysoping process which ultimately should also lead to making RfA easier to pass. You are invited to comment at RfC for BARC - a community desysoping process. -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 08:00, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I'd like to share with all of you a new proposal on montage issues, related to ethnicity. Some users lied me by telling that the standard to of images that can be put in montage would be 6x4 and others say 6x5. Everyone has different opinions. I've just discovered that THERE IN NO POLICY on wikipedia about this, i were false information given by experienced users. Pages like Americans, English People, Indian people, Arabs, Italians, Germans, French people and many others are always getting edit wars and vandalism, due to abstract of a Wiki policy on this. Can someone such as an Admin create any wiki policy on this? For example, in my opinion it is unnecessary to label 24 or 20 people in a montage, as none reads and cares them. Therefore the best and only solution would be THAT every article on these ETHNIC GROUPS must contain a montage which contain only 5 people. For instance for AMERICANS we can leave blank as now, but for ENGLISH people the montage should contain only 5 TOP people or little bit more (chronologically), such as "Elizabeth I, William Shakespeare, Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin and John Lennon", instead of putting more than 20 people. If this new policy will be created, then there won't any problem. In fact if you see those article's talkpages, users always disagrees with others, and some people get blocked as well. Hope it is clear. If someone has a question, feel free to ask me here. Thanks to everyone. Best luck!-- Edemastoryfinestoption ( talk) 14:09, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
That wasn't a personal attack.-- Edemastoryfinestoption ( talk) 19:33, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
This would need some explanation: but the Dutch Wikipedia has a top bar for users not logged in which reads 'Not logged in / IP address talk / IP address contributions'. Should we implement it here? 137.147.55.132 ( talk) 00:19, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
This page is not really for content dispute issues.
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