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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:54, 18 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Vendore,vendore church,st:marys church vendore → Vendore  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ] 

The lack of spaces in certain places, lack of capitalization, a random colon, and lack of clarity of what "st:Marys" or "church" refers make this title a work of artistic, WP:COSTLY unlikeliness. Steel1943 ( talk) 18:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Delete. Created from a page move and should have been deleted that day. ― Syn path 01:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nom. Mdewman6 ( talk) 21:08, 12 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nom. – GnocchiFan ( talk) 21:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete,delete,delete as unnatural. Duckmather ( talk) 02:31, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nom -- Lenticel ^{( talk)} 12:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete it was only here for just over a day back in 2009. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 18:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete: implausible search term, implausible, implausible implausible search term. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 19:40, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of emoticons. (non-admin closure) Notrealname1234 ( talk) 16:26, 18 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• 8==D → Emoticon  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ] 
• 8===D → Emoticon  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ]
• 8====D → Emoticon  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ]
• 8=====D → Emoticon  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ]
• 8=D → Emoticon  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ]

Unlikely search terms and not useful redirects. Note that 3 of these were recent creations while one (the 3rd redirect) has existed since 2007. Should probably be left as red links so that other similar redirects are not encouraged. Hey man im josh ( talk) 16:02, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Retarget 8=D, 8===D and 8====D to List of emoticons where they are mentioned. Open to either retarget or delete the remaining two. I think redirecting emoticon-type redirects are potentially useful and not harmful. Skynxnex ( talk) 18:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  Also @ Hey man im josh: 8=D should probably be bundled into this discussion as well, I believe.

  One reason to keep these as redirects is because it's definitely possible someone may want to know what this thing is they found on the internet and Wikimedia's current fulltext search does not do well with punctuation. See the first 500 search results for "8==D", other than the exactly matching redirect it doesn't find List of emoticons even though that exact text is on the page. Skynxnex ( talk) 18:35, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  I appreciate that perspective @ Skynxnex. I hadn't considered that someone might actually be trying to understand what they had been sent. Hey man im josh ( talk) 18:36, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  I've added 8=D to the list. I could be open to some of these being redirects to List of emoticons. Though, I'm not sure how useful the ones beyond a few equal signs may be. Hey man im josh ( talk) 18:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  For the closer, I also think just retargeting all of them per my suggestions is fine, and probably preferable per WP:CHEAP. Skynxnex ( talk) 14:06, 17 July 2023 (UTC) reply

The creator of most of these here: Maybe either retarget to penis (see WP:EMOJI) or keep. Wikipedia is not censored, and if these redirects help inform people (which I believe they do), they should stay. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠ talk • contribs} 18:02, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

Maybe retarget to List of emoticons per Skynxnex. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠ talk • contribs} 18:07, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Retarget all to list of emoticons; it doesn't make sense to keep the least repetitive ones and the most repetitive ones and leave out the middle-repetitive ones, as they would be incredibly likely variants of the ones that are kept; just limit the number of repetitions to a maximum amount of "=" , and have 1"=" ->to-> that number as redirects -- 67.70.25.80 ( talk) 21:59, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Retarget all to list of emoticons per above rationale. – GnocchiFan ( talk) 01:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Retarget all to List of emoticons as they actually are mentioned at that page unlike the current target. SNUGGUMS ( talk / edits) 01:55, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Katy Perry#2000–2006: Career beginnings, Katy Hudson, and Fingerprints. Jay 💬 17:22, 18 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Katheryn Perry → Katy Perry  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ] 

Retarget to Katherine Perry where it has a mention of the redirect. The target's real name isn't even Katy Perry. ErceÇamurOfficial ( talk) 11:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Oppose retargeting there's no proof (at least on the given page) that the proposed new subject went by such a spelling. Don't conflate "Katheryn" (containing "eryn") with "Kathryn" (containing "ryn"). Conversely, the current target does contain a mention of (briefly) performing under such a name under the 2000–2006 section. SNUGGUMS ( talk / edits) 11:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Oppose per SNUGGUMS. estar8806 ( talk) ★ 12:06, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Retarget to Catherine Perry (disambiguation), and reformat that page as a joint disambiguation page for the variants of Catherine/Katherine/Kathryn/etc -- 67.70.25.80 ( talk) 12:07, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Oppose per SNUGGUMS and refine to Katy Perry#2000–2006: Career beginnings, Katy Hudson, and Fingerprints. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback) 20:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Refine to Katy Perry#2000-2006: Career beginnings, Katy Hudson, and Fingerprints where the search term is mentioned. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk | contribs) 18:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Refine to Katy Perry#2000-2006: Career beginnings, Katy Hudson, and Fingerprints, where it's clearly explained why this is a sensible search term. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 19:39, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. Anyone is free to edit the dab I created at this title. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:03, 19 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• 2023 Women's Premier League → 2023 Women's Premier League (cricket)  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ] 

Ambiguous title, multiple events of this name, including 2023 Women's Premier League (Singapore) and 2023 Women's Premier League (cricket). Given that Women's Premier League (cricket) is not the primary topic for Women's Premier League (and this was agreed upon during a RM), the 2023 cricket event shouldn't be considered the primary topic for 2023 Women's Premier League. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Disambiguate per nom. J947 † ^edits 09:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Disambiguate Per nom. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 19:14, 12 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Disambiguate per above. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk | contribs) 18:47, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. Jay 💬 17:28, 18 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Personal leave → Sick leave#Australia  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ] 

Not sure if the current target is correct. For example, this redirect could also vaguely refer to Paid time off or Leave of absence. Deleting this redirect so that search results can provide assistance may be the best option here. (Also, there is a section at Major League Baseball transactions#Personal leave that seems to refer to a subject other than the current target of this redirect.) Steel1943 ( talk) 19:12, 26 June 2023 (UTC) reply

• Delete Far broader than just an Australian term. Search results seem best here. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback) 20:30, 26 June 2023 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to Leave of absence. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. ^Tools: ( talk, contribs) 22:57, 26 June 2023 (UTC) reply
• Retarget to Leave of absence. 〜 Askarion ✉ 17:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC) reply

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• Weak retarget (changing !vote, see below) to Leave of absence, which is the most appropriate target. However, I am not completely opposed to deletion because no target is particularly apt. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk | contribs) 09:46, 6 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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• Disambiguate. I have begun a draft dab under the redirect. Seems like the best solution in situations like this when it's a very plausible search term and there are a handful of potential targets with none of them quite seeming best. Mdewman6 ( talk) 19:55, 12 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• DABify Mdewman6's dab page captures the ambiguity well. ― Syn path 02:15, 14 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Changing my !vote to disambiguate in light of Mdewman6's drafted DAB, which works better than just targeting one page. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk | contribs) 09:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Disambiguate: the proposed dab page is much better. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 09:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was keep. Powerful anchoring magic was invoked at the target to highlight the relevant text for only users of this redirect, which appears to have satisfied one of the two delete !voters, giving keep a comfortable majority. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Science fiction as thought experiment → The Left Hand of Darkness#Science fiction as thought experiment  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ] 

While the target article about a novel discusses how this novel is a thought experiment, the concept represented by the redirect is much broader and should have its own article, or redirect to a broader treatment not limited to a single novel. Ping[ User:TompaDompa, User:Daranios, User:Jclemens in case one of them would have an idea for a better redirect target. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:41, 3 July 2023 (UTC) reply

Ps. That redirect also has a see also to another redirect, fiction as thought experiment, but that one seems a bit better, target-wise. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:43, 3 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• No opinion but thanks for the ping. Jclemens ( talk) 07:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep for now: Without having searched I agree that this concept should go way beyond the one novel where it is linked. On the other hand, the target describes exactly what I would have thought to find as the basis of an article on the concept. So it's better than nothing, and the redirect should be kept until someone finds the energy to expand it/spin it out into the article the concept deserves. Daranios ( talk) 18:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Strongly weak keep. I like the idea of redirecting to a FA that touches on the topic. Alternatively, there is the most stifling sentence at Thought experiment#Uses, but a retarget limits this redirect's use as a category member. Red link potential very slim, but the search results aren't terrible so deletion wouldn't be all too terrible. J947 † ^edits 05:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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• Delete per nom. In addition to nominator's reasons, this isn't a section in the target, it's an {{anchor}} to a paragraph, so a reader is unlikely to even find it (and please, please don't bold it, which will make the reading experience worse for everyone). It's a worthwhile concept, and a decent paragraph even, but the current redirect isn't helping anyone. Dan Bloch ( talk) 21:05, 12 July 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Fair to dispute anchors as confusing, but is The Left Hand of Darkness#Background a bad option for this redirect to target? Only three shortish paragraphs precede this topic. J947 † ^edits 05:28, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply
    • @ Danbloch and J947: I have changed the anchor in a way to highlight the sentences in question. It may be a little out of the ordinary to include a whole passage in the anchor, but I should make it much easier to find it for any reader using the redirect. At the same time it does not bold anything for any other reader. What does anyone think, about the use of the anchor and if this is the correct extent to highlight. Daranios ( talk) 14:32, 15 July 2023 (UTC) reply

      That works for me. Dan Bloch ( talk) 15:49, 15 July 2023 (UTC) reply

      Wow, I didn't know that was possible. Excellent stuff. J947 † ^edits 23:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Shitao and created Tao-chi as suggested by some participants. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 04:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Tao Chi → Tai chi  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ] 

Retarget to Shitao.

As part of a group effort to improve the Tai chi page, I have been researching this redirect with the benefit of more powerful publication search than may have been available when this was created nineteen years ago.

No valid reference has been published naming "tai chi" as "tao chi". The only valid references are publications about the Chinese painter Shitao, under his courtesy name Tao Chi (道濟; Wade-Giles: Tao-chi; Pinyin: Daoji). In the previous discussion of this redirect in 2012 it was mentioned more than once that this is a painter not a martial art, but that was apparently missed because several similar redirects were being discussed at the same time.

The current target is not only confusing to Wikipedia readers. Over the years this redirect has badly confused Google, Free Dictionary, and other sites, hilariously so. We should re-target this to Shitao ASAP. Jōkepedia ( talk) 02:25, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Retarget per nom. This is a possible typo for "Tai Chi", but the correct target should take precedence over an uncommon typo. — Mx. Granger ( talk · contribs) 13:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• I think support retarget per nom. I think if done, Shitao should perhaps have a hatnote mention the new redirect targeting it with a link to Tai chi given the length of the redirect target, the fact that tao is associated with tai chi in general, and easy of typoing it ion qwerty keyboards. Skynxnex ( talk) 18:15, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Retarget per nom. Similarly, Tao-chi should be created. ― Syn path 00:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Retarget per nom's thoroughly researched rationale, and create Tao-chi per the above comment. A hatnote as suggested by Skynxnex is probably a good idea, too. – GnocchiFan ( talk) 05:41, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Retarget per nom -- Lenticel ^{( talk)} 12:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:20, 18 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• A Catfishing with a Happy Ending → List of Netflix original films (since 2023)  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ] 

Redirects to article that does not mention title, no evidence of future film meeting WP:NFF BOVINEBOY 2008 01:24, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was retarget to British Honduras. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/ _{STUFF DONE} (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 01:24, 18 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Crown Colony of Belize → Belize  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ] 

Retarget to British Honduras - This was the name of Belize as a colony. estar8806 ( talk) ★ 01:13, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Retarget per nom. Skynxnex ( talk) 14:12, 17 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Iroa. The disambiguation home suggested was IROA, but was created at Iroa. If further discussion is warranted for the proper disambiguation home, that would be independent of this RfD. Jay 💬 07:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• I.R.O.A. → Afghanistan  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ] 

Retarget to Islamic Republic of Afghanistan - Clearly this is the proper target. estar8806 ( talk) ★ 00:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Retarget to Islamic Republic of Afghanistan: Now that the IROA no longer controls Afghanistan, this is the correct place to target this. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/ _{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 03:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  Dabbing works too. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/ _{STUFF DONE} (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 17:43, 15 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  Actually, the dab would be at Iroa per WP:DABNAME. I've created a dab there. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/ _{STUFF DONE} (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 19:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Disambiguate convert IROA into a disambiguation page, and repoint this redirect there; IROA points to International Range Officers Association ;;; there also being a person named Iroa at Athletics at the 1974 British Commonwealth Games – Men's 400 metres hurdles -- 67.70.25.80 ( talk) 12:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Disambiguate per IP. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback) 21:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Disambiguate per IP. – GnocchiFan ( talk) 05:44, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Disambiguate per IP. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk | contribs) 18:55, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was keep. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:20, 18 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Afghan. → Afghanistan  ( talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  keep/ retarget/ delete ] 

Retarget to Afghan - does this one even really need explaining? estar8806 ( talk) ★ 00:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Comment: The usage originated from this entry in encyclopedia Britannica which stated: " (born 1949, Logar province, Afghan.)" - The period "." indicates that it's a shortened form of the name "Afghanistan" WhisperToMe ( talk) 01:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep The use of the period implies an abbreviation for Afghanistan rather than for other things at Afghan. Correct use takes precedence over incorrect uses. Mdewman6 ( talk) 01:13, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep per above. J947 † ^edits 02:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep: Yes, it really does. Afghan. is an abbreviation. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/ _{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 03:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Comment a hatnote will be needed if this remains as is. -- 67.70.25.80 ( talk) 12:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
  • No it won't be, in my opinion. That would be extremely undue, and only serve to clutter. J947 † ^edits 12:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
    • This would likely be a copy-paste search term, and "Aghan." can be the end of a sentence, hence it is likely that people searching for other topics will end up at Afghanistan due solely to highlighting and copy-pasting the last word in a sentence, and getting the wrong result -- 67.70.25.80 ( talk) 22:02, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
      • I think helping the two people a year who might do so and even minorly inconveniencing the four million other readers of Afghanistan is quite plainly not worth it. J947 † ^edits 22:20, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
      • Those users reaching Afghanistan and instead needing to choose from options at Afghan (disambiguation) can reach that page via the existing hatnote to Afghanistan (disambiguation) where it is linked. Mdewman6 ( talk) 00:07, 12 July 2023 (UTC) reply
        • I don't see what the problem is with a slightly larger hatnote:

{{Redirect-multi|2|Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan|Afghan.|the [[Taliban]]-governed state that existed from 1996 to 2001|Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (1996–2001)|other uses|Afghan (disambiguation)|and|Afghanistan (disambiguation)}} 

-- 67.70.25.80 ( talk) 22:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Even excluding the harm done to readers who are not looking for a hatnote, this doesn't even help those looking at the hatnotes. Per WikiNav, ~9,400 readers visit Afghanistan (disambiguation) via Afghanistan each year. There are ~2 wanting to locate Afghan (disambiguation), which they can find at Afghanistan (disambiguation) easily enough and most would follow that link. How is it worth complicating the hatnote for all others who just want to go to Afghanistan (disambiguation)? J947 † ^edits 05:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  Hatnotes hardly "do harm to readers". One line is not the end of the world. Edward-Woodrow :) _{[ talk} 17:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  Neither is the exclusion of that line! The harm is extremely minimal for each reader – but I don't think it is realised how much that adds up over millions of views (a Big Number). J947 † ^edits 07:43, 16 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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