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Category:Queens consort of Saudi Arabia

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: A quick scan through all of the articles listed in this category demonstrates that none of the women named here held the position/title of "queen consort". Thus, the name of the category is misleading at best. I suggest changing the name to "Saudi royal consorts", which is consistent with various other categories such as Category:Polish royal consorts, Category:Austrian royal consorts, Category:Jordanian royal consorts, etc. Keivan.f Talk 23:13, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
No such title legally exists in the UK either. The wife of the king is legally the queen. Queen consort is just a descriptive term used for women who assume the title of "Queen" through marriage and share their husband's rank. Specifically in Arab countries and some parts of the world the wife of the monarch has to be bestowed with this title. Which is why Rania is the current "Queen of Jordan" but her mother-in-law Muna was only a princess, even though he was a king's wife. Other examples are Fahda bint Falah Al Hithlain (the current king of Saudi Arabia's wife who is not a queen either), Princess Lalla Salma of Morocco and Sabika bint Ibrahim Al Khalifa of Bahrain. None of these women have been titled "The Queen" and to categorize them as such is misleading. The term "royal consort" would be the better phrase to use here (it encompasses both princesses consort and any future potential queens consort if a future Saudi king decides that his wife should be titled "The Queen"). Keivan.f Talk 16:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
In the UK (and probably all European monarchies past and present), the wife of the King is the Queen. Place Clichy ( talk) 18:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom. Ibn Saud § Personal life says that Ibn Saud had 22 consorts, 7 of which made their way to Category:Wives of Ibn Saud. I don't think that a country can have 22 queens (although in 1953 the UK had 3). So by default royal consort is probably a safer expression, as for the countries cited above, unless there is convincing evidence that an individual is titled otherwise. Place Clichy ( talk) 18:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Russian Orthodox churches by country

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Category:Films about dance

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Category:Fictional savateurs

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. WP:NPASR, lack of comments. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary distinction created by a blocked user. WP:OVERLAPCAT ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 22:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Danzig emigrants to the United States

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Category:Disasters in Ireland by year

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:13, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Too narrow an intersection. All contain only 1 or 2 articles. Upmerge. – Aidan721 ( talk) 21:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merging is not destroyal. On the contrary, it allows finding closely related articles much quicker. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:19, 21 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 12:56, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional space force personnel

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Disperse to parent categories if needed, though I don't think it is. "Space force" is not a typical term for this nor does it actually encompass the subcategories, making this miscategorized. Category:Space marines already covers the military-oriented space soldiers. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 23:44, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose. Category:Space marines and Category:Fictional United States Space Force personnel should certainly count as "space force personnel" as well. AHI-3000 ( talk) 23:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
"Space marines" is an accepted term for it, "space force personnel" is not. The latter is redundant. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 00:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Even many of the real-life military organizations listed under Category:Space units and formations are called " space forces", such as the United States Space Force. AHI-3000 ( talk) 22:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete I do get the impression that the United States Space Force is unrelated whatsoever to the scope of Category:Space marines. The IP explains this nicely. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 11:11, 22 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Fictional water sports people

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus on whether this is defining. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Yet another WP:NARROWCAT made by a blocked user that is better off merged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 17:03, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I would expect "sportspeople" to refer to professional sportspeople but that is the case for none of them. Just delete? (Otherwise merge per nom.) Marcocapelle ( talk) 19:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Disasters in Benin by century

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one century in here Mason ( talk) 21:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 17:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Women cookbook writers

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:EGRS. User:Namiba 22:40, 19 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Support in principle, but the category also needs to be merged to Cookbook writers. Mason ( talk) 23:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Support as per Smasongarrison: Merge to Category:Women food writers and to Category:Cookbook writers. Signing off as the cat creator, -- Rosiestep ( talk) 04:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply
The problem with a dual merge is that a significant number (but not all, unfortunately) are already in a subcategory Category:Cookbook writers by nationality. There needs to be a manual merge.-- User:Namiba 19:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Fictional characters with disfigurements

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete/merge. Purge members for whom it is not defining. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This category isn't defining, nor is there a non-character equivalent. I think we should upmerge this category to Category:Fictional characters with disabilities Mason ( talk) 22:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I think disfigurement can be defining for some characters, like Quasimodo or Erik (The Phantom of the Opera). Maybe this requires a cleanup rather than outright merging. I don't think it's always a "disability" so if it really wasn't defining, the merge would need to be selective. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 23:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Comment In Quasimodo's case, he has Kyphosis (hunchback), he has only one functional eye (due to a birth defect), and he is deaf (due to occupational hazards). These are more specific disabilities than simply being disfigured. Dimadick ( talk) 08:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
      His notability is due to his physical appearance, which caused him to be feared, not the diseases themselves. I think this category ought to be separate from disabilities though, as disfigurement does not imply disability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 06:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. I agree that it is not (always) a disability so I wouldn't favor merging. It is not worthwhile to keep the category for the two obvious articles that would stay in it. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:55, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and rename Category:Fictional disfigured characters Besides the two I mentioned earlier, Deadpool and Two-Face are also notable for being disfigured, but are not technically disabled. This category is defining for enough characters for it to exist, but needs a significant purge of all the characters for whom it is not defining and just an incidental thing about them. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 14:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Comment Deadpool's deformity is supposed to be an effect of his cancer. Dimadick ( talk) 18:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
      That may be true, but it's the fact that he is disfigured that is what people predominantly know about him rather than the explanation behind it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 20:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    Support keeping and renaming to Category:Fictional disabled characters. AHI-3000 ( talk) 22:50, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    • How would this differ from Category:Fictional characters with disabilities? Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC) reply
      @ Marcocapelle: Oops, I meant to say rename to Category:Fictional disfigured characters, I accidentally mistyped it as "disabled" instead. AHI-3000 ( talk) 05:55, 16 January 2024 (UTC) reply
      Why the change from person first to identity first? This really doesn't address the concern. How is disfigured defining and distinct from disability? It seems very subjective, and also takes a really narrow view of the term disabled. Mason ( talk) 04:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply
      A disfigurement is a permanent physical alteration. A disability makes it harder for someone to do certain things. A disfigurement can be disabling, but the opposite is not necessarily true. For example, a person may have recovered from a bad burn or scar, that has not had permanent disabling effects, but still have a negative social stigma due to their looks. It's enough that disfigured and disabled characters should be in both categories. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 10:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Elections in Tanzania by century

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:18, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. No reason to have a category with only one century in it. Mason ( talk) 21:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Modern Greek dramatists and playwrights

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:20, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This category is unhelpful for navigation. It only isolates the FOOian-century categories. Mason ( talk) 01:54, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, redundant category layer with only three subcategories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose as written but open to other suggestions. I think the person who set this up was trying to sort out writers by language; see Category:Modern Greek-language writers. The current proposal would prevent the category tree from effectively doing that. There needs to be some way to still sort these writers out between Ancient Greek language and Modern Greek language writers (they aren't the same language). 4meter4 ( talk) 05:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    Nationality and language don't have a defining intersection. If you want this to be a category for dramatists and playwrights in modern greek, that's fine, but it doesn't (and arguably shouldn't) intersect with nationality. Mason ( talk) 21:31, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Fictional characters with animal abilities

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Category:Mathematics by culture

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:22, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: not categorized by culture, but the contents are countries Mason ( talk) 01:17, 19 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Rename/merge per nom. Culture is not a good word to describe the category's content. Country is better, and can also be applied to describe states of the past. Place Clichy ( talk) 18:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Triplets

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Category:17th-century Brazilian businesswomen

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in here, which is not enough to support a category. ( Anna Gonsalves Paes de Azevedo is already in 17th-century Brazilian businesspeople and Brazilian women in business) Mason ( talk) 20:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Medieval European mathematics

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I don't think it is helpful for navigation to silo off Medieval European mathematics from the rest, given that Category:European mathematics doesn't exist Mason ( talk) 19:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge per nom suggestion by Marco. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 22:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:People from Port Harcourt by locality

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Delete parent/container category and upmerge subcats to Category:People from Port Harcourt for now. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 19:44, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Marcocapelle, your take on these ones? Omnis Scientia ( talk) 12:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom, this is only necessary with exceptionally large cities. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Ethnic groups in Pakistan by province

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:27, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 19:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Social groups of Oman

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Category:13th-century Danish non-fiction writers

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Category:Non-Malayali Keralites

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Category:Lawyers in Upper Canada/Canada West

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Category:Images of Igor Stravinsky

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:29, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation to have single images diffused this percisely Mason ( talk) 16:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 12:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Images of Oklahomans

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Category:Dadaist by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's not enough people in the subcategories to justify diffusion by nationality. If kept, needs to be renamed to "Dadaists by nationality" and "Fooian dadaists". I've already ensured that each page is in a 20th-century Fooian artist category. Mason ( talk) 15:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, as there are only just over 30 articles in the entire tree. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:15, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Early modern labor disputes

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, these are isolated 1-article categories, which is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom Mason ( talk) 15:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Community centres in South Africa

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. Upmerge per WP:NARROWCAT. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Togolese expatriates in Mauritania

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: As per WP:SMALLCAT. Only 1 entry. LibStar ( talk) 11:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Mauritanian expatriate sportspeople in Norway

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: As per WP:SMALLCAT. Only 1 entry. LibStar ( talk) 11:00, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Mauritanian expatriates in Pakistan

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Mauritanian expatriates and Category:Expatriates in Pakistan. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: As per WP:SMALLCAT. Only 1 entry. LibStar ( talk) 10:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional characters by behavior

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Category:Basement Jaxx video albums

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Category:Political history of Ogun State

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:13, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only content in this entire tree is Category:2019 Ogun State elections‎, which isn't helpful for navigation (and is already in Category:2010s in Ogun State. Mason ( talk) 05:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, this automatically results from the nomination below. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Centuries in Ogun State

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:History of Ogun State. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:10, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has one century in it, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 05:00, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Television in Tunisia by century

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The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. only one cat in each, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 04:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 19:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Meena clans

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Clans and Category:Meena people. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Small category that's not helpful for navigation. Mason ( talk) 04:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Assassinated politicians by method

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Category:Fictional characters from Tijuana

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Fictional Mexican people and Category:Tijuana in fiction. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only one entry. WP:NARROWCAT. Upmerge. – Aidan721 ( talk) 03:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom Mason ( talk) 04:32, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Art museums and galleries established in 1715

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Propose merging
  • Propose deleting
Nominator's rationale: Follow up of other discussion. WP:NARROWCAT. All have 1-3 entries. Upmerge. – Aidan721 ( talk) 03:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom Mason ( talk) 04:32, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 20:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose – looking at the bigger picture, "Category:Museums established in ..." and "Category:Art museums and galleries established in ..." are well-populated, enabling finding museums and galleries by year of establishment. Why pick on 18th-century cultural heritage? — Jonathan Bowen ( talk) 11:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    Because there are only 1-3 in scattered years in the 18th century. It is far from well-populated in the 18th century. It is more useful at the century and decade levels for the 18th century. Seems pretty obvious. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    And WP:OCYEAR: instead of grouping by year, group by decade. And then diffuse the by decade categories by year only when necessary. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:05, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support per nom. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:17, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Centuries in Sochi

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Category:Centuries in Sochi to Category:History of Sochi; delete Category:20th century in Sochi. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:14, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in Category:20th century in Sochi, and there will only be one category in Category:Centuries in Sochi after the merge. (Only page in 20th-century in Sochi is already in the History of Sochi category) Mason ( talk) 03:03, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Murder committed by female minors

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Both of the arguments against merging were weak and did not sufficiently address the merging rationale. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure that this intersection of type of crime, gender, and age is a notable intersection. I'm on the fence, and figured it was worth bringing to CFD to get some opinions Mason ( talk) 21:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. This category is numerically sustainable, and I would argue that this specific intersection is notable in and of itself, because of the relative statistical rarity of murders committed by female children and teenagers, similarly to Category:Female child soldiers. This nomination seems very arbitrary. AHI-3000 ( talk) 21:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Dimadick: What do you think about this? AHI-3000 ( talk) 22:56, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
> This nomination seems very arbitrary.
What makes you say that? I saw it, while checking if any death/assassination categories seemed overpopulated, wasn't sure that it was defining, and nominated it to get some additional opinions. Mason ( talk) 23:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Category:Female murderers and Category:Murder committed by minors both exist because the article subjects they cover are very notably defined because of the demographic anomalies of homicide committed by perpetrators who are female or underage respectively, and this is doubled if the killer happens to be both. So what's the big deal if there's another subcategory that intersects both of them, it doesn't make it any less of a defining trait, and I believe the opposite is true, it's even more defining. AHI-3000 ( talk) 23:56, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
It's not doubled by that at all. You have to prove that both combined is a separately defining grouping. In other words, female children have to be separately notable to just females in general. I don't think you can prove that, though if you can, you should probably demonstrate the evidence. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 00:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:5th-century Greek people by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 19:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There are only two categories in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 00:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:16th-century Malay people

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 19:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This is a ethnoreligious group, not a nationality Mason ( talk) 00:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:10th-century Yemeni writers

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 19:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in this category tree, and no sequential centuries. (Only member is already in 10th-century historians from the Abbasid Caliphate) Mason ( talk) 00:35, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Queens consort of Saudi Arabia

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The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: A quick scan through all of the articles listed in this category demonstrates that none of the women named here held the position/title of "queen consort". Thus, the name of the category is misleading at best. I suggest changing the name to "Saudi royal consorts", which is consistent with various other categories such as Category:Polish royal consorts, Category:Austrian royal consorts, Category:Jordanian royal consorts, etc. Keivan.f Talk 23:13, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
No such title legally exists in the UK either. The wife of the king is legally the queen. Queen consort is just a descriptive term used for women who assume the title of "Queen" through marriage and share their husband's rank. Specifically in Arab countries and some parts of the world the wife of the monarch has to be bestowed with this title. Which is why Rania is the current "Queen of Jordan" but her mother-in-law Muna was only a princess, even though he was a king's wife. Other examples are Fahda bint Falah Al Hithlain (the current king of Saudi Arabia's wife who is not a queen either), Princess Lalla Salma of Morocco and Sabika bint Ibrahim Al Khalifa of Bahrain. None of these women have been titled "The Queen" and to categorize them as such is misleading. The term "royal consort" would be the better phrase to use here (it encompasses both princesses consort and any future potential queens consort if a future Saudi king decides that his wife should be titled "The Queen"). Keivan.f Talk 16:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
In the UK (and probably all European monarchies past and present), the wife of the King is the Queen. Place Clichy ( talk) 18:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom. Ibn Saud § Personal life says that Ibn Saud had 22 consorts, 7 of which made their way to Category:Wives of Ibn Saud. I don't think that a country can have 22 queens (although in 1953 the UK had 3). So by default royal consort is probably a safer expression, as for the countries cited above, unless there is convincing evidence that an individual is titled otherwise. Place Clichy ( talk) 18:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Russian Orthodox churches by country

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Category:Films about dance

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Category:Fictional savateurs

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. WP:NPASR, lack of comments. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary distinction created by a blocked user. WP:OVERLAPCAT ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 22:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Danzig emigrants to the United States

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Category:Disasters in Ireland by year

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:13, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Too narrow an intersection. All contain only 1 or 2 articles. Upmerge. – Aidan721 ( talk) 21:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merging is not destroyal. On the contrary, it allows finding closely related articles much quicker. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:19, 21 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 12:56, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional space force personnel

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Disperse to parent categories if needed, though I don't think it is. "Space force" is not a typical term for this nor does it actually encompass the subcategories, making this miscategorized. Category:Space marines already covers the military-oriented space soldiers. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 23:44, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose. Category:Space marines and Category:Fictional United States Space Force personnel should certainly count as "space force personnel" as well. AHI-3000 ( talk) 23:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
"Space marines" is an accepted term for it, "space force personnel" is not. The latter is redundant. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 00:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Even many of the real-life military organizations listed under Category:Space units and formations are called " space forces", such as the United States Space Force. AHI-3000 ( talk) 22:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete I do get the impression that the United States Space Force is unrelated whatsoever to the scope of Category:Space marines. The IP explains this nicely. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 11:11, 22 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Fictional water sports people

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus on whether this is defining. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Yet another WP:NARROWCAT made by a blocked user that is better off merged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 17:03, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I would expect "sportspeople" to refer to professional sportspeople but that is the case for none of them. Just delete? (Otherwise merge per nom.) Marcocapelle ( talk) 19:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Disasters in Benin by century

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one century in here Mason ( talk) 21:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 17:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Women cookbook writers

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:EGRS. User:Namiba 22:40, 19 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Support in principle, but the category also needs to be merged to Cookbook writers. Mason ( talk) 23:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Support as per Smasongarrison: Merge to Category:Women food writers and to Category:Cookbook writers. Signing off as the cat creator, -- Rosiestep ( talk) 04:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply
The problem with a dual merge is that a significant number (but not all, unfortunately) are already in a subcategory Category:Cookbook writers by nationality. There needs to be a manual merge.-- User:Namiba 19:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Fictional characters with disfigurements

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete/merge. Purge members for whom it is not defining. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This category isn't defining, nor is there a non-character equivalent. I think we should upmerge this category to Category:Fictional characters with disabilities Mason ( talk) 22:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I think disfigurement can be defining for some characters, like Quasimodo or Erik (The Phantom of the Opera). Maybe this requires a cleanup rather than outright merging. I don't think it's always a "disability" so if it really wasn't defining, the merge would need to be selective. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 23:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Comment In Quasimodo's case, he has Kyphosis (hunchback), he has only one functional eye (due to a birth defect), and he is deaf (due to occupational hazards). These are more specific disabilities than simply being disfigured. Dimadick ( talk) 08:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
      His notability is due to his physical appearance, which caused him to be feared, not the diseases themselves. I think this category ought to be separate from disabilities though, as disfigurement does not imply disability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 06:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. I agree that it is not (always) a disability so I wouldn't favor merging. It is not worthwhile to keep the category for the two obvious articles that would stay in it. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:55, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and rename Category:Fictional disfigured characters Besides the two I mentioned earlier, Deadpool and Two-Face are also notable for being disfigured, but are not technically disabled. This category is defining for enough characters for it to exist, but needs a significant purge of all the characters for whom it is not defining and just an incidental thing about them. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 14:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Comment Deadpool's deformity is supposed to be an effect of his cancer. Dimadick ( talk) 18:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
      That may be true, but it's the fact that he is disfigured that is what people predominantly know about him rather than the explanation behind it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 20:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    Support keeping and renaming to Category:Fictional disabled characters. AHI-3000 ( talk) 22:50, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    • How would this differ from Category:Fictional characters with disabilities? Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC) reply
      @ Marcocapelle: Oops, I meant to say rename to Category:Fictional disfigured characters, I accidentally mistyped it as "disabled" instead. AHI-3000 ( talk) 05:55, 16 January 2024 (UTC) reply
      Why the change from person first to identity first? This really doesn't address the concern. How is disfigured defining and distinct from disability? It seems very subjective, and also takes a really narrow view of the term disabled. Mason ( talk) 04:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply
      A disfigurement is a permanent physical alteration. A disability makes it harder for someone to do certain things. A disfigurement can be disabling, but the opposite is not necessarily true. For example, a person may have recovered from a bad burn or scar, that has not had permanent disabling effects, but still have a negative social stigma due to their looks. It's enough that disfigured and disabled characters should be in both categories. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 10:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Elections in Tanzania by century

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:18, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. No reason to have a category with only one century in it. Mason ( talk) 21:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Modern Greek dramatists and playwrights

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:20, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This category is unhelpful for navigation. It only isolates the FOOian-century categories. Mason ( talk) 01:54, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, redundant category layer with only three subcategories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose as written but open to other suggestions. I think the person who set this up was trying to sort out writers by language; see Category:Modern Greek-language writers. The current proposal would prevent the category tree from effectively doing that. There needs to be some way to still sort these writers out between Ancient Greek language and Modern Greek language writers (they aren't the same language). 4meter4 ( talk) 05:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    Nationality and language don't have a defining intersection. If you want this to be a category for dramatists and playwrights in modern greek, that's fine, but it doesn't (and arguably shouldn't) intersect with nationality. Mason ( talk) 21:31, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Category:Fictional characters with animal abilities

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Category:Mathematics by culture

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:22, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: not categorized by culture, but the contents are countries Mason ( talk) 01:17, 19 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Rename/merge per nom. Culture is not a good word to describe the category's content. Country is better, and can also be applied to describe states of the past. Place Clichy ( talk) 18:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Triplets

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Category:17th-century Brazilian businesswomen

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in here, which is not enough to support a category. ( Anna Gonsalves Paes de Azevedo is already in 17th-century Brazilian businesspeople and Brazilian women in business) Mason ( talk) 20:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Medieval European mathematics

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I don't think it is helpful for navigation to silo off Medieval European mathematics from the rest, given that Category:European mathematics doesn't exist Mason ( talk) 19:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge per nom suggestion by Marco. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 22:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:People from Port Harcourt by locality

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Delete parent/container category and upmerge subcats to Category:People from Port Harcourt for now. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 19:44, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Marcocapelle, your take on these ones? Omnis Scientia ( talk) 12:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom, this is only necessary with exceptionally large cities. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Ethnic groups in Pakistan by province

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:27, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 19:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Social groups of Oman

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Category:13th-century Danish non-fiction writers

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Category:Non-Malayali Keralites

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Category:Lawyers in Upper Canada/Canada West

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Category:Images of Igor Stravinsky

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:29, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation to have single images diffused this percisely Mason ( talk) 16:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 12:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Images of Oklahomans

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Category:Dadaist by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's not enough people in the subcategories to justify diffusion by nationality. If kept, needs to be renamed to "Dadaists by nationality" and "Fooian dadaists". I've already ensured that each page is in a 20th-century Fooian artist category. Mason ( talk) 15:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, as there are only just over 30 articles in the entire tree. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:15, 28 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Early modern labor disputes

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, these are isolated 1-article categories, which is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom Mason ( talk) 15:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Community centres in South Africa

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. Upmerge per WP:NARROWCAT. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Togolese expatriates in Mauritania

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: As per WP:SMALLCAT. Only 1 entry. LibStar ( talk) 11:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Mauritanian expatriate sportspeople in Norway

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: As per WP:SMALLCAT. Only 1 entry. LibStar ( talk) 11:00, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Mauritanian expatriates in Pakistan

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Mauritanian expatriates and Category:Expatriates in Pakistan. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: As per WP:SMALLCAT. Only 1 entry. LibStar ( talk) 10:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional characters by behavior

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Category:Basement Jaxx video albums

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Category:Political history of Ogun State

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:13, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only content in this entire tree is Category:2019 Ogun State elections‎, which isn't helpful for navigation (and is already in Category:2010s in Ogun State. Mason ( talk) 05:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, this automatically results from the nomination below. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Centuries in Ogun State

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:History of Ogun State. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:10, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has one century in it, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 05:00, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Television in Tunisia by century

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The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. only one cat in each, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 04:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 19:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Meena clans

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Clans and Category:Meena people. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Small category that's not helpful for navigation. Mason ( talk) 04:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Assassinated politicians by method

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Category:Fictional characters from Tijuana

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Fictional Mexican people and Category:Tijuana in fiction. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only one entry. WP:NARROWCAT. Upmerge. – Aidan721 ( talk) 03:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom Mason ( talk) 04:32, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Art museums and galleries established in 1715

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Propose merging
  • Propose deleting
Nominator's rationale: Follow up of other discussion. WP:NARROWCAT. All have 1-3 entries. Upmerge. – Aidan721 ( talk) 03:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Support per nom Mason ( talk) 04:32, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 20:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose – looking at the bigger picture, "Category:Museums established in ..." and "Category:Art museums and galleries established in ..." are well-populated, enabling finding museums and galleries by year of establishment. Why pick on 18th-century cultural heritage? — Jonathan Bowen ( talk) 11:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    Because there are only 1-3 in scattered years in the 18th century. It is far from well-populated in the 18th century. It is more useful at the century and decade levels for the 18th century. Seems pretty obvious. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    And WP:OCYEAR: instead of grouping by year, group by decade. And then diffuse the by decade categories by year only when necessary. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:05, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support per nom. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:17, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Centuries in Sochi

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Category:Centuries in Sochi to Category:History of Sochi; delete Category:20th century in Sochi. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:14, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in Category:20th century in Sochi, and there will only be one category in Category:Centuries in Sochi after the merge. (Only page in 20th-century in Sochi is already in the History of Sochi category) Mason ( talk) 03:03, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:Murder committed by female minors

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. Both of the arguments against merging were weak and did not sufficiently address the merging rationale. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure that this intersection of type of crime, gender, and age is a notable intersection. I'm on the fence, and figured it was worth bringing to CFD to get some opinions Mason ( talk) 21:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. This category is numerically sustainable, and I would argue that this specific intersection is notable in and of itself, because of the relative statistical rarity of murders committed by female children and teenagers, similarly to Category:Female child soldiers. This nomination seems very arbitrary. AHI-3000 ( talk) 21:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Dimadick: What do you think about this? AHI-3000 ( talk) 22:56, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
> This nomination seems very arbitrary.
What makes you say that? I saw it, while checking if any death/assassination categories seemed overpopulated, wasn't sure that it was defining, and nominated it to get some additional opinions. Mason ( talk) 23:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Category:Female murderers and Category:Murder committed by minors both exist because the article subjects they cover are very notably defined because of the demographic anomalies of homicide committed by perpetrators who are female or underage respectively, and this is doubled if the killer happens to be both. So what's the big deal if there's another subcategory that intersects both of them, it doesn't make it any less of a defining trait, and I believe the opposite is true, it's even more defining. AHI-3000 ( talk) 23:56, 11 January 2024 (UTC) reply
It's not doubled by that at all. You have to prove that both combined is a separately defining grouping. In other words, female children have to be separately notable to just females in general. I don't think you can prove that, though if you can, you should probably demonstrate the evidence. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 00:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:5th-century Greek people by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 19:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There are only two categories in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 00:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:16th-century Malay people

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 19:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This is a ethnoreligious group, not a nationality Mason ( talk) 00:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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Category:10th-century Yemeni writers

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 19:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in this category tree, and no sequential centuries. (Only member is already in 10th-century historians from the Abbasid Caliphate) Mason ( talk) 00:35, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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