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Delete per nom. Not a defining characteristic.
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Nominator's rationale:WP:NARROWCAT. Only 1 sub-cat each. Merge for now. –
Aidan721 (
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Merge for now, only one subcategory each. No objection to recreate the categories when multiple city categories can decently be populated.
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Nominator's rationale: merge the two trees, the difference between "secularists" and "critics of religions" is not clear enough to keep them as separate trees. Conceptually there is a difference, but when reading individual biographies it becomes very blurry. On the other hand, purge subcategories of politicians by political party,
Category:Secular Jews and
Category:Cultural Muslims.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 23:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per nom
Mason (
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In principle I would like to keep the distinction between activists for a secularist society and critics against a specific religion, as one is far from implying the other. However, I see that in practice the categories seem to be used interchangeably, so I agree to merge for now, without prejudice against a later better-organized secularism hierrachy. @
Marcocapelle: I suggest the following:
DeleteCategory:Arab secularists, which is just a container for country-level categories, the nationals of which are not all Arabs (e.g. Egypt, Lebanon and Iraq)
Purge child categories relative to members of secular political parties, as nominated. In some cases, this will empty the category, hence it is equivalent to:
If successful, the national child categories of
Critics of Christianity and
Critics of Islam will need to be added to the new targets, which will in turn probably generate redundancy to purge.
Place Clichy (
talk) 16:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)reply
The latter is a matter of listing this discussion at
WP:CFDWM.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 18:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle: OK if it can be managed automatically, then. Any opinion re: the Arab category?
Place Clichy (
talk) 15:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I overlooked that, yes completely agree with deletion of
Category:Arab secularists, as so often it does not contain Arabs per se, but people in countries with an Arab majority.
Marcocapelle (
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@
Qwerfjkl: My comments were in fact not as drastic as they seem. I believe we have reached consensus on sth like: Delete
Category:Arab secularists, merge/rename the others as nominated, which already includes purging political parties. So I'm not sure the relisting is absolutely necessary. @
Marcocapelle and
Smasongarrison: may confirm or disconfirm.
Place Clichy (
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I know, I'd just like to see if anyone has any further comments; I prefer to err on the side of safety. If no one else comments then I'll close in favour of your suggestion.
Qwerfjkltalk 17:04, 29 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Sounds good to me :)
Mason (
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Oppose, at least for the Israeli category. In Israel "secularist" is largely used to refer to politicians who stand for the separation of synagogue and state (and most of the people in the category are politicians whose party has secularism as a policy). This is quite different to being a "critic of religion". Renaming the Israeli category would be particularly absurd given some of the people in the category tree are active practicers of religion, including a few rabbis.
Number57 14:02, 3 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Numerous people in the category are not Jewish, so I don't think that would be appropriate.
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Category:Art museums and galleries in Douala
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Nominator's rationale:WP:NARROWCAT. Merge for now until it can be sufficiently populated. –
Aidan721 (
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Merge for now without objection to recreate the categories when they can be populated better.
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Category:Fictional parasites and parasitoids
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Nominator's rationale: This category was being confused for being a species category rather than one about individual characters who are parasites. There could be a complementary
Category:Fictional parasitic species and races category, but I'm not sure there are enough of them to justify it. Either way, the species should be purged and recategorized to
Category:Fictional species and races.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 14:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Alternate rename to
Category:Fictional parasites. There's no reason why this should be restricted only to individual characters, especially because parasites/parasitoids are biological terms applied to various species of animals, creatures and organisms.
AHI-3000 (
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Split to characters and species, per nom and in the spirit of
WP:COPSEP.
Marcocapelle (
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Rename per nom I don't see any real distinction here.
Parasitoids are parasites who eventually kill their host. Their strategy is different to other parasites, but they are still parasites.
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The entire point is that "Fictional parasites" makes it unclear whether it's a species or an individual, leading to a redux of what happened with this category.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 07:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Zxcvbnm: Why does it need to be separated between species or individuals? Despite what you think, character categories can be inclusive of both groups and individuals. Besides, the term "parasite" is more often used to describe entire species of parasitic creatures, rather than individual organisms who happen to be parasites. And if this category is to be renamed,
Category:Fictional parasites is the better alternative to both
Category:Fictional parasitic characters and
Category:Fictional parasites and parasitoids.
AHI-3000 (
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Because that's how it is for every other similar category, it retains consistency. It would also be misleading to categorize individuals under species, and vice versa.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 04:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. I don't think there is a practical need to split out species from characters into different categories. One category containing both seems fine as a navigational tool.
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Category:Assassinated politicians by political orientation
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Not enough people to warrant diffusion. The few people in each category is already in another nationality category (such as
Category:20th-century Nigerian lawyers,e tc).
Mason (
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Merge for now without objection to recreate the categories when they can be populated better.
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Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
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Category:Turner Sports
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Nominator's rationale: Also could be a broad rename to simply TNT Sports. Turner Sports has been rebranded twice, most recently to TNT Sports.
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Support per nom
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Delete, most articles are about people working in the film industry.
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Delete. Too subjective a label to be a workable category. Occupations like director (as are most current members of the category) or film critic are more precise.
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Category:9th-century zoologists
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. One a handful of pages in here, which is not enough to diffuse by century.
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Merge per nom and Marcocapelle note. –
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Category:Fictional counterterrorism organizations
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Nominator's rationale: Only has two articles that aren't redirects, too small to be realistically needed as a subcategory.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 13:10, 11 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Not all counterterrorism organizations are military (e.g., CTU is not).
Apokrif (
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I was thinking the redirects would just be removed unless they became an article. These categories are not redirect dumping grounds for every little mention of a fictional organization somewhere. If not they can be diffused accordingly.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 13:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose, if only because counter-terrorist organizations are not necessarily all military, some can be civilian law enforcement agencies instead.
AHI-3000 (
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Disperse among the three fictional parent categories, per nom. That resolves the issue that not all counterterrorism organizations are military.
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QueenofHearts 04:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Disperse per Marcocapelle. As terrorist is a rather subjective notion, so is counter-terrorist, even in the world of fiction.
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Category:Fictional alien hunters
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Nominator's rationale: None of the characters in here would be typically defined as an "alien hunter" first and foremost. (i.e. Samus is simply a bounty hunter, for humans or aliens alike. Agent J and K are government agents). Nor is there an actual article on the topic.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 21:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. There's no reason to distinguish by type of monster hunted given the size of the category. If the population grows, then it can be recreated
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Keep, a good science-fiction category, seems it would be of interest to anyone who actually clicks on it. I'll probably look at it and click on a few (thanks to the category's creator, whomever that may be will give them a 'thanks'-button click).
Randy Kryn (
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Keep for these same reasons
AHI-3000 (
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QueenofHearts 04:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:Fictional monster hunters per Marcocapelle. Also support deletion per nom as second-best outcome, in the spirit of consensus. It is actually unlikely, even for fictional characters, that they would confront only aliens. Mulder and Scully are typical examples of that: that's
something they did, not what they are. IIRC, even
Ellen Ripley fights more often human or droid foes than the Xenomorph. Probably only the MIB would be so specialized, although
Agent J is notable for his career in law enforcement hunting petty criminals. Also, hunter is kinda restrictive: there are no aliens (and therefore no alien hunters) in fictional settings where everyone or almost is an alien, such as Star Wars and Star Trek, and humans fighting an alien military invasion (Independence Day, Mars Attacks, The Tomorrow War, Starship Troopers, V etc.) aren't really hunters.
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Category:Fictional zombie hunters
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Nominator's rationale: The nature of this category is somewhat flummoxing, as I don't know if any of the characters here could be called "zombie hunters". Usually, zombies are hunting THEM and they're trying to do some unrelated task that might stop the zombies somehow. The idea that someone might be a "zombie hunter" is not backed up by sources.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 21:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. There's no reason to distinguish by type of monster hunted given the size of the category. If the population grows, then it can be recreated
Mason (
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There are quite a few video games characters among them who may actually hunt zombies. Maybe purge first?
Marcocapelle (
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As I said, it's one thing to kill zombies as part of a job, it's another thing to hunt them. I'm not sure which of these specifically hunts individual zombies, but it's certainly not enough for a category. If necessary they can be moved to
Category:Fictional monster hunters.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 19:26, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Strongest possible keep. Lots of entries to form a delightful and enriching category... and merging to "monster hunters"? Don't think zombies qualify as monsters, they're simply undead humans, typically exposed to a horrible virus ... as for the assertion that the "zombies" are hunting them", you clearly haven't met sensai
Michonne or stryker crossbow virtuoso
Daryl Dixon -- they be doing the hunting, Fo'Sho').
Cbl62 (
talk) 20:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)reply
History.com, at least, refers to zombies as monsters.
Category:Zombies and revenants in popular culture is also categorized under
Category:Fiction about monsters.
Category:Zombies is also categorized under monsters. Even if there are a few legitimate zombie hunters there, it can easily be classified under the category of monster hunters. Still, given the fact that zombies tend to chase after any human around, "zombie slayer" strikes me as more accurate a description, as they hardly need to be hunted down.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 07:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
This comment is like
fandom. Also, plenty of monsters are humans or humanoids, such as the ogre figure in classical tales, or werewolves. In fact, most probably are. Monsters is a fine merge target.
Place Clichy (
talk) 11:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep per Cbl62
AHI-3000 (
talk) 23:39, 22 January 2024 (UTC) Duplicate vote.
QueenofHearts 04:21, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: "Fictional zombie hunters" implies that there are counterpart zombie hunters in real life. Is that the case? --
Paul_012 (
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There are real-life UFO hunters, Nessie hunters and maybe vampire hunters, so among other popular lore creatures I wouldn't be surprised if there were werewolf hunters or zombie hunters. Would it only be for the sake of skepticism and rationality.
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QueenofHearts 04:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:Fictional monster hunters, or Delete in the spirit of consensus. As for
Fictional alien hunters above, it is most likely even in a fictional setting that these hunters will confront a number of foes, zombies among them. Therefore, fighting zombies will be something they do (
WP:PERFCAT), not what they are (
WP:NONDEF).
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Category:1st-century economic history
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Keep. Valuable for navigation across time periods. Has potential for growth. Better to preserve the category structure. This is exactly the type of nomination that made
WP:SMALLCAT deprecated because it is a bad outcome to delete this type of category.
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The potential for growth remains to be seen, that is a matter of crystal balling. Meanwhile we have everything we need in
Category:Economy of ancient Rome so nothing is lost with the merge.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete per nom. –
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Category:People from the Federal Capital Territory (Nigeria) by occupation
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has one page in it, which is unhelpful for navigation
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Delete per nom. Not a defining characteristic.
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Categroy:Art museums and galleries in Armenia by city
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Nominator's rationale:WP:NARROWCAT. Only 1 sub-cat each. Merge for now. –
Aidan721 (
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Merge for now, only one subcategory each. No objection to recreate the categories when multiple city categories can decently be populated.
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Nominator's rationale: merge the two trees, the difference between "secularists" and "critics of religions" is not clear enough to keep them as separate trees. Conceptually there is a difference, but when reading individual biographies it becomes very blurry. On the other hand, purge subcategories of politicians by political party,
Category:Secular Jews and
Category:Cultural Muslims.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 23:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per nom
Mason (
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In principle I would like to keep the distinction between activists for a secularist society and critics against a specific religion, as one is far from implying the other. However, I see that in practice the categories seem to be used interchangeably, so I agree to merge for now, without prejudice against a later better-organized secularism hierrachy. @
Marcocapelle: I suggest the following:
DeleteCategory:Arab secularists, which is just a container for country-level categories, the nationals of which are not all Arabs (e.g. Egypt, Lebanon and Iraq)
Purge child categories relative to members of secular political parties, as nominated. In some cases, this will empty the category, hence it is equivalent to:
If successful, the national child categories of
Critics of Christianity and
Critics of Islam will need to be added to the new targets, which will in turn probably generate redundancy to purge.
Place Clichy (
talk) 16:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)reply
The latter is a matter of listing this discussion at
WP:CFDWM.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 18:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle: OK if it can be managed automatically, then. Any opinion re: the Arab category?
Place Clichy (
talk) 15:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I overlooked that, yes completely agree with deletion of
Category:Arab secularists, as so often it does not contain Arabs per se, but people in countries with an Arab majority.
Marcocapelle (
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@
Qwerfjkl: My comments were in fact not as drastic as they seem. I believe we have reached consensus on sth like: Delete
Category:Arab secularists, merge/rename the others as nominated, which already includes purging political parties. So I'm not sure the relisting is absolutely necessary. @
Marcocapelle and
Smasongarrison: may confirm or disconfirm.
Place Clichy (
talk) 10:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I know, I'd just like to see if anyone has any further comments; I prefer to err on the side of safety. If no one else comments then I'll close in favour of your suggestion.
Qwerfjkltalk 17:04, 29 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Sounds good to me :)
Mason (
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Oppose, at least for the Israeli category. In Israel "secularist" is largely used to refer to politicians who stand for the separation of synagogue and state (and most of the people in the category are politicians whose party has secularism as a policy). This is quite different to being a "critic of religion". Renaming the Israeli category would be particularly absurd given some of the people in the category tree are active practicers of religion, including a few rabbis.
Number57 14:02, 3 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Numerous people in the category are not Jewish, so I don't think that would be appropriate.
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Category:Art museums and galleries in Douala
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Nominator's rationale:WP:NARROWCAT. Merge for now until it can be sufficiently populated. –
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Merge for now without objection to recreate the categories when they can be populated better.
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Category:Fictional parasites and parasitoids
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Nominator's rationale: This category was being confused for being a species category rather than one about individual characters who are parasites. There could be a complementary
Category:Fictional parasitic species and races category, but I'm not sure there are enough of them to justify it. Either way, the species should be purged and recategorized to
Category:Fictional species and races.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 14:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Alternate rename to
Category:Fictional parasites. There's no reason why this should be restricted only to individual characters, especially because parasites/parasitoids are biological terms applied to various species of animals, creatures and organisms.
AHI-3000 (
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Split to characters and species, per nom and in the spirit of
WP:COPSEP.
Marcocapelle (
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Rename per nom I don't see any real distinction here.
Parasitoids are parasites who eventually kill their host. Their strategy is different to other parasites, but they are still parasites.
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The entire point is that "Fictional parasites" makes it unclear whether it's a species or an individual, leading to a redux of what happened with this category.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 07:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Zxcvbnm: Why does it need to be separated between species or individuals? Despite what you think, character categories can be inclusive of both groups and individuals. Besides, the term "parasite" is more often used to describe entire species of parasitic creatures, rather than individual organisms who happen to be parasites. And if this category is to be renamed,
Category:Fictional parasites is the better alternative to both
Category:Fictional parasitic characters and
Category:Fictional parasites and parasitoids.
AHI-3000 (
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Because that's how it is for every other similar category, it retains consistency. It would also be misleading to categorize individuals under species, and vice versa.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 04:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. I don't think there is a practical need to split out species from characters into different categories. One category containing both seems fine as a navigational tool.
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Category:Assassinated politicians by political orientation
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Not enough people to warrant diffusion. The few people in each category is already in another nationality category (such as
Category:20th-century Nigerian lawyers,e tc).
Mason (
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Merge for now without objection to recreate the categories when they can be populated better.
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Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
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Category:Turner Sports
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Nominator's rationale: Also could be a broad rename to simply TNT Sports. Turner Sports has been rebranded twice, most recently to TNT Sports.
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Category:Cinephiles
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Support per nom
Mason (
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Delete, most articles are about people working in the film industry.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete. Too subjective a label to be a workable category. Occupations like director (as are most current members of the category) or film critic are more precise.
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Category:9th-century zoologists
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. One a handful of pages in here, which is not enough to diffuse by century.
Mason (
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Merge per nom and Marcocapelle note. –
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Category:Fictional counterterrorism organizations
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Nominator's rationale: Only has two articles that aren't redirects, too small to be realistically needed as a subcategory.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 13:10, 11 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Not all counterterrorism organizations are military (e.g., CTU is not).
Apokrif (
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I was thinking the redirects would just be removed unless they became an article. These categories are not redirect dumping grounds for every little mention of a fictional organization somewhere. If not they can be diffused accordingly.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 13:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose, if only because counter-terrorist organizations are not necessarily all military, some can be civilian law enforcement agencies instead.
AHI-3000 (
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Disperse among the three fictional parent categories, per nom. That resolves the issue that not all counterterrorism organizations are military.
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QueenofHearts 04:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Disperse per Marcocapelle. As terrorist is a rather subjective notion, so is counter-terrorist, even in the world of fiction.
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Category:Fictional alien hunters
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Nominator's rationale: None of the characters in here would be typically defined as an "alien hunter" first and foremost. (i.e. Samus is simply a bounty hunter, for humans or aliens alike. Agent J and K are government agents). Nor is there an actual article on the topic.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 21:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. There's no reason to distinguish by type of monster hunted given the size of the category. If the population grows, then it can be recreated
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Keep, a good science-fiction category, seems it would be of interest to anyone who actually clicks on it. I'll probably look at it and click on a few (thanks to the category's creator, whomever that may be will give them a 'thanks'-button click).
Randy Kryn (
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Keep for these same reasons
AHI-3000 (
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QueenofHearts 04:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:Fictional monster hunters per Marcocapelle. Also support deletion per nom as second-best outcome, in the spirit of consensus. It is actually unlikely, even for fictional characters, that they would confront only aliens. Mulder and Scully are typical examples of that: that's
something they did, not what they are. IIRC, even
Ellen Ripley fights more often human or droid foes than the Xenomorph. Probably only the MIB would be so specialized, although
Agent J is notable for his career in law enforcement hunting petty criminals. Also, hunter is kinda restrictive: there are no aliens (and therefore no alien hunters) in fictional settings where everyone or almost is an alien, such as Star Wars and Star Trek, and humans fighting an alien military invasion (Independence Day, Mars Attacks, The Tomorrow War, Starship Troopers, V etc.) aren't really hunters.
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Category:Fictional zombie hunters
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Nominator's rationale: The nature of this category is somewhat flummoxing, as I don't know if any of the characters here could be called "zombie hunters". Usually, zombies are hunting THEM and they're trying to do some unrelated task that might stop the zombies somehow. The idea that someone might be a "zombie hunter" is not backed up by sources.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 21:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. There's no reason to distinguish by type of monster hunted given the size of the category. If the population grows, then it can be recreated
Mason (
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There are quite a few video games characters among them who may actually hunt zombies. Maybe purge first?
Marcocapelle (
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As I said, it's one thing to kill zombies as part of a job, it's another thing to hunt them. I'm not sure which of these specifically hunts individual zombies, but it's certainly not enough for a category. If necessary they can be moved to
Category:Fictional monster hunters.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 19:26, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Strongest possible keep. Lots of entries to form a delightful and enriching category... and merging to "monster hunters"? Don't think zombies qualify as monsters, they're simply undead humans, typically exposed to a horrible virus ... as for the assertion that the "zombies" are hunting them", you clearly haven't met sensai
Michonne or stryker crossbow virtuoso
Daryl Dixon -- they be doing the hunting, Fo'Sho').
Cbl62 (
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History.com, at least, refers to zombies as monsters.
Category:Zombies and revenants in popular culture is also categorized under
Category:Fiction about monsters.
Category:Zombies is also categorized under monsters. Even if there are a few legitimate zombie hunters there, it can easily be classified under the category of monster hunters. Still, given the fact that zombies tend to chase after any human around, "zombie slayer" strikes me as more accurate a description, as they hardly need to be hunted down.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 07:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
This comment is like
fandom. Also, plenty of monsters are humans or humanoids, such as the ogre figure in classical tales, or werewolves. In fact, most probably are. Monsters is a fine merge target.
Place Clichy (
talk) 11:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep per Cbl62
AHI-3000 (
talk) 23:39, 22 January 2024 (UTC) Duplicate vote.
QueenofHearts 04:21, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: "Fictional zombie hunters" implies that there are counterpart zombie hunters in real life. Is that the case? --
Paul_012 (
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There are real-life UFO hunters, Nessie hunters and maybe vampire hunters, so among other popular lore creatures I wouldn't be surprised if there were werewolf hunters or zombie hunters. Would it only be for the sake of skepticism and rationality.
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QueenofHearts 04:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:Fictional monster hunters, or Delete in the spirit of consensus. As for
Fictional alien hunters above, it is most likely even in a fictional setting that these hunters will confront a number of foes, zombies among them. Therefore, fighting zombies will be something they do (
WP:PERFCAT), not what they are (
WP:NONDEF).
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Category:1st-century economic history
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Keep. Valuable for navigation across time periods. Has potential for growth. Better to preserve the category structure. This is exactly the type of nomination that made
WP:SMALLCAT deprecated because it is a bad outcome to delete this type of category.
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The potential for growth remains to be seen, that is a matter of crystal balling. Meanwhile we have everything we need in
Category:Economy of ancient Rome so nothing is lost with the merge.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete per nom. –
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Category:People from the Federal Capital Territory (Nigeria) by occupation
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has one page in it, which is unhelpful for navigation
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