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Nominator's rationale: Only one person in this category solely hunts werewolves, suffice it to say it's so tiny as to be an unnecessary
WP:NARROWCAT.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 21:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. There's no reason to distinguish by type of monster hunted given the size of the category. If the population grows, then it can be recreated.
Mason (
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Comment. The world (and this category) needs more werewolf hunters. Keeping us safe from lyncanthropes!
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Nominator's rationale: There seems to be a pretty large
WP:OVERLAPCAT here. Two separate categories on the same thing isn't necessary.
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Category:Fictional characters who break the fourth wall
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Category:Greek journalists by century
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This only has one category in it, which is unhelpful for navigation
Mason (
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@
Giovanni 0331:. I'm going to close this nomination, now that you've made two other categories. However, please populate them so that they have more than a handful of people in them.
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Category:1901–02 NCAA football bowl games
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Nominator's rationale: Only one page in this category.
Let'srun (
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Keep. It is an accepted consensus that all years with a bowl game should have an individual category for the bowl games. I do not understand why this year should be the only exception out of 100+.
BeanieFan11 (
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The NCAA wasn't established until 1906 so the name itself is anachronistic and needs to be changed.--
User:Namiba 17:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)reply
It may be an idea for the future to create decade categories and merge all years to decades until 1939.
Marcocapelle (
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True, that would only help for the 1910s and up.
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Combine into newly created cat for
Category:College football bowl games, 1901–1933 or
Category:College football bowl games prior to 1934. All of the cats in earlier years have only one (occasionally two or three bowls). The bowl process started to proliferate more in 1934. The combined category will automatically sort by year, and this seems like a substantially more efficient categorization structure rather than having 30 or so cats with minimal entries.
Cbl62 (
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Merge Since the NCAA didn't exist yet. Open to broader improvements to this category tree in a later nomination. -
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Category:Unassessed vital articles by level
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Nominator's rationale: All vital articles should be assessed so it is useful to have
Category:Unassessed vital articles to track these. However it is unnecessary and excessive to divide them into levels and topics. — Martin (
MSGJ ·
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Comment, as above, the subcategories are neither listed here nor tagged.
Marcocapelle (
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I have described them exactly above. I will take any required actions if the the result is delete. — Martin (
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Category:Level-unknown vital articles by quality
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Nominator's rationale: All vital articles should have an assigned level so it is useful to have
Category:Wikipedia level-unknown vital articles to track these. However it is unnecessary and excessive to divide them by quality and topic — Martin (
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Procedural oppose, some subcategories are not empty, so if the nominated categories aren't kept, they should be merged somewhere rather than deleted.
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My procedural oppose is meanwhile moot. The categories can be deleted if only because they are permanently empty now.
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Category:Photographic history books
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Nominator's rationale:merge for now, having only 2 articles in the category is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the category when more articles are available.
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Yep. Agree with nom. 21:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC) — Preceding
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Category:Vital articles in an unknown topic by quality
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Nominator's rationale: All vital articles should have a topic so it is useful to have
Category:Wikipedia vital articles in an unknown topic to track these. However it is unnecessary and excessive to divide them by quality and topic — Martin (
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@
MSGJ: do you intend to nominate the subcategories too? If so, you need to list them here and tag the category pages.
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I wrote "and all subcategories" above. I don't really have time to tag every single page ... — Martin (
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@
MSGJ: then someone else has to do it, or the discussion will end in a procedural close without action.
Marcocapelle (
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Well that would be a lot of unnecessary bureaucracy, wouldn't it? If this discussion results in consensust to delete, then I will carry out all needed further actions. — Martin (
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Category:Fictional characters with physical and congenital disorders
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this category. There isn't a need to divide disabilities by physical and mental.
Mason (
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The disorders categories do belong in a medical or psychological condition, but dyslexia not so much so that one should be purged with the downmerge.
Marcocapelle (
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Can you walk me through your reasoning for dyslexia not being a medical/psychological condition? Because I consider it to to be one; I'd like to understand.
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I am striking that part of my comment, leaving that discussion to other editors if they want to.
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Support And purge all that don't fit - we don't need such lengthy and confusingly named categories. This is a textbook
WP:ARBITRARYCAT.
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Category:School buildings in Oregon
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Keep There is a whole tree under
Category:School buildings that would need to be addressed. Buildings are different than institutions.--
User:Namiba 23:45, 28 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep - So the nominator oringally empties the category, tries to speedy delete it, then now wants to merge it after creating the "University and college buildings in Oregon" category? Which that would be a subcategory of this category. And as the university one demonstrates, not all buildings should be in schools, otherwise the uni/college building category the nominator just created would also be redundant.
Aboutmovies (
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Universities and colleges are not schools. They are both educational institutions and would both belong in the educational buildings category. –
Aidan721 (
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Universities and colleges are not schools. Spent three years in law school ... they told me it was a school! Should I sue them for fraud?
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Merge Per nom. In practice these are the same things since university buildings are not under schools. (I share Cbl62's confusion as to what that is the case but that broader discussion is for another time.) The NRHP listings generally focus on the building architecture rather than the education that went on there. -
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Category:Vegetation of New Zealand
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Keep. These are not overlapping at all. Vegetation is different and distinct from individual plant species.
Hesperian 23:21, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The flora category should not be limited to individual species.
Marcocapelle (
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Merge. No difference.
Gderrin (
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Strong Keep Agree with @
Hesperian:. Strong Keep Flora typically means the plants themselves and should consist of taxon names (& common names for plant taxa). Vegetation typically refers to types of vegetation The distinction should be kept, even though not all contributors understand it.
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Category:Vegetation of Australia
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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. If kept it needs to be renamed to make it clearer that these are distinct. The category page includes the following description. "This category is for vegetation communities and types that occur in Australia, such as mallee and mulga. For individual plant taxa, see Category:Flora of Australia"
Mason (
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Merge per nom. –
Aidan721 (
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Keep. These are not overlapping at all. Vegetation is different and distinct from individual plant species, as the category page clearly states. It doesn't need renaming either -- the term "vegetation" serves as the name of our article
vegetation, and no-one has felt that it needs to be clarified or disambiguated.
Hesperian 23:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The flora category should not be limited to individual species.
Marcocapelle (
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That is just a restatement of the proposal: redefining the flora category to encompass both species articles and vegetation articles, is exactly what is proposed. But I don't see a sensible rationale for doing so. The claim that they are overlapping is simply false. They are related but distinct.
Hesperian 12:42, 28 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Flora is all plant life. Vegetation belongs to plant life too.
Marcocapelle (
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Golly, it sounds like vegetation is a sub-category of flora.
Hesperian 10:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep The wording of the nomination itself is a give away by the way it has been created - however, in one point they are separate and not overlapping. There are distinct purposes for the separation.
JarrahTree 02:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep Flora typically means the plants themselves and should consist of taxon names (& common names for plant taxa). Vegetation typically refers to types of vegetation and as can be seen from the category include mallee lands, vegetation communities and so on which are Australian. The distinction should be kept, even though not all contributors understand it.
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Category:Montenegrin Malacologists
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Nominator's rationale: "malacologists" should not start with a capital letter in this category name.
Monster Iestyn (
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@
Marcocapelle: On top of that, Vladimir Pešić appears to be the only Montenegrin-nationality biologist and zoologist currently at least on English Wikipedia, let alone malacologist. There aren't even categories for the former two, but this one was created anyway. While I agree with you, I think the reason I didn't suggest this myself was because I saw other single-article malacologists by nationality categories such as
Category:Irish malacologists and
Category:Norwegian malacologists, and I wasn't prepared to make this a bigger discussion (maybe I was tired).
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Support extra layers not needed for a former jurisdiction that only existed in one century. -
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20th century in the Trucial States
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Category:Concept- and mind-mapping software
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Support GTK and Qt/Neutral on Java GTK and Qt are clearly NARROWCAT. The Java one is well populated but I defer to others whether that intersection is defining. -
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Merge GTK and Qt, very poorly populated categories, that is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate these categories when more articles are available.
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Category:Chicago Dental Infirmary football
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Nominator's rationale: Only one subcategory.
Let'srun (
talk) 12:10, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Upmerge. This should be upmerged to Loyola Ramblers football
Mason (
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Keep? - see below argument. We always have categories for different college teams - this seems to have been different than Loyola?
BeanieFan11 (
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Delete for now. Neutral on the seasons subcat nomination but this layer doesn't aid navigation regardless. -
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Delete per nom. –
Aidan721 (
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Delete without administering
novocaine. Per the article on the
Chicago Dental Infirmary, it only operated as such from March 12, 1883, until June 30, 1884. It was thereafter rechartered and became the "Chicago College of Dental Surgery". So this category is premised on a misnomer, and it appears there was never any such thing as "Chicago Dental Infirmary football". The sources listed at
1897 Chicago Dental Infirmary football team confirm that the school was then known as the "Chicago College of Dental Surgery" (e.g.,
here and
here), and not the "Chicago Dental Infirmary". Pull the lone tooth from this category and it becomes an empty and useless
dental alveolus.
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Category:Chicago Dental Infirmary football seasons
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Nominator's rationale: Only one article in this category
Let'srun (
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Upmerge. This should be upmerged to Loyola Ramblers football seasons
Mason (
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Keep? - generally we keep all categories for different college football seasons, even when there is just one article. Chicago Dental Infirmary seems to have been a different team than Loyola?
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Delete, there is only a redirect and a subcategory. (I am not sure about merging to Loyola Ramblers football seasons.)
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Delete per nom. As far as I can tell. This team was not a precursor to the Loyola Ramblers team, but rather the only association is that
Chicago Dental Infirmary was merged into the dental school at Loyola Chicago in 1926. At the time they were separate institutions with no relation. –
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Delete, and once again sans novocaine. See my rationale on the master category.
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Nomiantor's rationale: These are not the sort of categories that should be kept despite being empty.
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Delete per nom. Not sure why these categories exist.
Omnis Scientia (
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Delete all as empty per
WP:CSD#C1. The usage of
Template:possibly empty category is inappropriate for these categories and I'm not sure why that would have been added. That template is reserved for cleanup categories that often get emptied and then repopulated, these categories don't fit into that mold.
VegaDark (
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I agree with you in theory that these should be speedyable, but I generally prefer to get explicit consensus before undertaking mass actions, so here we are.
* Pppery *it has begun... 04:51, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment do the language user boxes autocategorize into "CAT:User ISO639" base category if the "-X" skill level subcategory is missing? --
65.92.247.66 (
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It depends. If they are done by #babel: then it will cause Babel AutoCreate to recreate the category; If they are done by a template then it will most likely populate the category despite being red, and someone on WantedCategories patrol will recreate it. But most of these have been empty for years or longer, so that's unlikely.
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That is a good point. The previous rename was a step in the right direction, but not spot on yet, as someone also commented in that discussion. Better move this to full CfD then.
Marcocapelle (
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Okay, I just saw
the December CfD. The problem here is that we now have conflicting precedents: The October one was for People from Foo by place, while the December one was for Fooian people by place. I've struck my oppose here, but a follow-up nom is needed to reconcile the whole tree one way or the other. (And for that matter, I still think the People from Foo format is preferable as the one that properly reflects the member categories. Being considered to be "from" a place does not imply one must have that place's nationality.) --
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Such division by country of origin is of no practical use, and it only creates difficulties with categorisation, which will never be correct in this environment.
Firstly, most of the genres are duplicated in two categories, because many genres have both US and UK country of origin in their infoboxes at the same time. The practical sense of this division is lost in 60% of cases for rock categories, and in some cases for hip-hop. I personally don't see any practical convenience in constantly switching between these two categories in an attempt to figure out which genres are truly exclusively British.
Secondly, genres often have roots in other countries besides the US and UK, but there are no categories for this and will not be, but they will be placed in these two categories rather than in the general category (e.g.
Reggae rock). And it's unclear whether or not such genres should be placed in those categories and such situations.
Thirdly, in a situation when there are major genres with their own sub-genres and globalisation is a thing, such a hierarchy cannot be correctly arranged by country of origin. You put a major genre in one category, and it has its own nested categories for subgenres that were created all over the world. For example,
Category:Heavy metal genres is now located only in "American rock music genres" and "British rock music genres", while it has a huge number of sub-genres created in individual European countries. And it turns out that the categorisation tells you that
Celtic metal is an American and British genre.
So I suggest remove the categories and move their content to Category:Hip hop genres and Category:Rock music genres respectively.
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P.S. For American hip hop I created
Category:American hip hop scenes a few years ago, which is both much more specific and would avoid all the problems described above.
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Category:17th-century Franco-Flemish composers
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Nominator's rationale:merge, the
Franco-Flemish School flourished from about 1430 to 1620 so very little in the 17th century, and all articles of this category belong in the 16th century too.
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. It's unhelpful for navigation to have two cities tucked away from the parent category. If kept, it should be renamed to "by location" or "by city"
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Category:People executed by explosive device
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Merge per nom. Read the story of
Eugenio Calò. How did the Nazis even come up with such sick shit? Nonetheless, the upmerge makes sense.
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Category:Historical research institutes
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Nominator's rationale: These appear to refer to the same type of research institutes.
LoganTalkContributions 00:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom, or if there is any difference between the two categories then it should be clarified much better.
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Support merge They are almost same. killer bee 15:07, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: Only one person in this category solely hunts werewolves, suffice it to say it's so tiny as to be an unnecessary
WP:NARROWCAT.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Support per nom. There's no reason to distinguish by type of monster hunted given the size of the category. If the population grows, then it can be recreated.
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Comment. The world (and this category) needs more werewolf hunters. Keeping us safe from lyncanthropes!
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Nominator's rationale: There seems to be a pretty large
WP:OVERLAPCAT here. Two separate categories on the same thing isn't necessary.
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Category:Fictional characters who break the fourth wall
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Category:Greek journalists by century
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This only has one category in it, which is unhelpful for navigation
Mason (
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@
Giovanni 0331:. I'm going to close this nomination, now that you've made two other categories. However, please populate them so that they have more than a handful of people in them.
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Category:1901–02 NCAA football bowl games
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Nominator's rationale: Only one page in this category.
Let'srun (
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Keep. It is an accepted consensus that all years with a bowl game should have an individual category for the bowl games. I do not understand why this year should be the only exception out of 100+.
BeanieFan11 (
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The NCAA wasn't established until 1906 so the name itself is anachronistic and needs to be changed.--
User:Namiba 17:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)reply
It may be an idea for the future to create decade categories and merge all years to decades until 1939.
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True, that would only help for the 1910s and up.
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Combine into newly created cat for
Category:College football bowl games, 1901–1933 or
Category:College football bowl games prior to 1934. All of the cats in earlier years have only one (occasionally two or three bowls). The bowl process started to proliferate more in 1934. The combined category will automatically sort by year, and this seems like a substantially more efficient categorization structure rather than having 30 or so cats with minimal entries.
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Merge Since the NCAA didn't exist yet. Open to broader improvements to this category tree in a later nomination. -
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Category:Unassessed vital articles by level
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Nominator's rationale: All vital articles should be assessed so it is useful to have
Category:Unassessed vital articles to track these. However it is unnecessary and excessive to divide them into levels and topics. — Martin (
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Comment, as above, the subcategories are neither listed here nor tagged.
Marcocapelle (
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I have described them exactly above. I will take any required actions if the the result is delete. — Martin (
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Category:Level-unknown vital articles by quality
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Nominator's rationale: All vital articles should have an assigned level so it is useful to have
Category:Wikipedia level-unknown vital articles to track these. However it is unnecessary and excessive to divide them by quality and topic — Martin (
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Procedural oppose, some subcategories are not empty, so if the nominated categories aren't kept, they should be merged somewhere rather than deleted.
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My procedural oppose is meanwhile moot. The categories can be deleted if only because they are permanently empty now.
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Category:Photographic history books
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Nominator's rationale:merge for now, having only 2 articles in the category is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the category when more articles are available.
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Yep. Agree with nom. 21:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC) — Preceding
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Category:Vital articles in an unknown topic by quality
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Category:Wikipedia vital articles in an unknown topic to track these. However it is unnecessary and excessive to divide them by quality and topic — Martin (
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@
MSGJ: do you intend to nominate the subcategories too? If so, you need to list them here and tag the category pages.
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I wrote "and all subcategories" above. I don't really have time to tag every single page ... — Martin (
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@
MSGJ: then someone else has to do it, or the discussion will end in a procedural close without action.
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Well that would be a lot of unnecessary bureaucracy, wouldn't it? If this discussion results in consensust to delete, then I will carry out all needed further actions. — Martin (
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Category:Fictional characters with physical and congenital disorders
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this category. There isn't a need to divide disabilities by physical and mental.
Mason (
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The disorders categories do belong in a medical or psychological condition, but dyslexia not so much so that one should be purged with the downmerge.
Marcocapelle (
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Can you walk me through your reasoning for dyslexia not being a medical/psychological condition? Because I consider it to to be one; I'd like to understand.
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I am striking that part of my comment, leaving that discussion to other editors if they want to.
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Support And purge all that don't fit - we don't need such lengthy and confusingly named categories. This is a textbook
WP:ARBITRARYCAT.
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Category:School buildings in Oregon
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Keep There is a whole tree under
Category:School buildings that would need to be addressed. Buildings are different than institutions.--
User:Namiba 23:45, 28 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep - So the nominator oringally empties the category, tries to speedy delete it, then now wants to merge it after creating the "University and college buildings in Oregon" category? Which that would be a subcategory of this category. And as the university one demonstrates, not all buildings should be in schools, otherwise the uni/college building category the nominator just created would also be redundant.
Aboutmovies (
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Universities and colleges are not schools. They are both educational institutions and would both belong in the educational buildings category. –
Aidan721 (
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Universities and colleges are not schools. Spent three years in law school ... they told me it was a school! Should I sue them for fraud?
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Merge Per nom. In practice these are the same things since university buildings are not under schools. (I share Cbl62's confusion as to what that is the case but that broader discussion is for another time.) The NRHP listings generally focus on the building architecture rather than the education that went on there. -
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Category:Vegetation of New Zealand
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Keep. These are not overlapping at all. Vegetation is different and distinct from individual plant species.
Hesperian 23:21, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The flora category should not be limited to individual species.
Marcocapelle (
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Merge. No difference.
Gderrin (
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Strong Keep Agree with @
Hesperian:. Strong Keep Flora typically means the plants themselves and should consist of taxon names (& common names for plant taxa). Vegetation typically refers to types of vegetation The distinction should be kept, even though not all contributors understand it.
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Category:Vegetation of Australia
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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. If kept it needs to be renamed to make it clearer that these are distinct. The category page includes the following description. "This category is for vegetation communities and types that occur in Australia, such as mallee and mulga. For individual plant taxa, see Category:Flora of Australia"
Mason (
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Merge per nom. –
Aidan721 (
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Keep. These are not overlapping at all. Vegetation is different and distinct from individual plant species, as the category page clearly states. It doesn't need renaming either -- the term "vegetation" serves as the name of our article
vegetation, and no-one has felt that it needs to be clarified or disambiguated.
Hesperian 23:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The flora category should not be limited to individual species.
Marcocapelle (
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That is just a restatement of the proposal: redefining the flora category to encompass both species articles and vegetation articles, is exactly what is proposed. But I don't see a sensible rationale for doing so. The claim that they are overlapping is simply false. They are related but distinct.
Hesperian 12:42, 28 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Flora is all plant life. Vegetation belongs to plant life too.
Marcocapelle (
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Golly, it sounds like vegetation is a sub-category of flora.
Hesperian 10:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep The wording of the nomination itself is a give away by the way it has been created - however, in one point they are separate and not overlapping. There are distinct purposes for the separation.
JarrahTree 02:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep Flora typically means the plants themselves and should consist of taxon names (& common names for plant taxa). Vegetation typically refers to types of vegetation and as can be seen from the category include mallee lands, vegetation communities and so on which are Australian. The distinction should be kept, even though not all contributors understand it.
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Category:Montenegrin Malacologists
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Nominator's rationale: "malacologists" should not start with a capital letter in this category name.
Monster Iestyn (
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@
Marcocapelle: On top of that, Vladimir Pešić appears to be the only Montenegrin-nationality biologist and zoologist currently at least on English Wikipedia, let alone malacologist. There aren't even categories for the former two, but this one was created anyway. While I agree with you, I think the reason I didn't suggest this myself was because I saw other single-article malacologists by nationality categories such as
Category:Irish malacologists and
Category:Norwegian malacologists, and I wasn't prepared to make this a bigger discussion (maybe I was tired).
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Support extra layers not needed for a former jurisdiction that only existed in one century. -
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20th century in the Trucial States
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Category:Concept- and mind-mapping software
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Support GTK and Qt/Neutral on Java GTK and Qt are clearly NARROWCAT. The Java one is well populated but I defer to others whether that intersection is defining. -
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Merge GTK and Qt, very poorly populated categories, that is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate these categories when more articles are available.
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Category:Chicago Dental Infirmary football
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Nominator's rationale: Only one subcategory.
Let'srun (
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Upmerge. This should be upmerged to Loyola Ramblers football
Mason (
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Keep? - see below argument. We always have categories for different college teams - this seems to have been different than Loyola?
BeanieFan11 (
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Delete for now. Neutral on the seasons subcat nomination but this layer doesn't aid navigation regardless. -
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Delete per nom. –
Aidan721 (
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Delete without administering
novocaine. Per the article on the
Chicago Dental Infirmary, it only operated as such from March 12, 1883, until June 30, 1884. It was thereafter rechartered and became the "Chicago College of Dental Surgery". So this category is premised on a misnomer, and it appears there was never any such thing as "Chicago Dental Infirmary football". The sources listed at
1897 Chicago Dental Infirmary football team confirm that the school was then known as the "Chicago College of Dental Surgery" (e.g.,
here and
here), and not the "Chicago Dental Infirmary". Pull the lone tooth from this category and it becomes an empty and useless
dental alveolus.
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Category:Chicago Dental Infirmary football seasons
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Nominator's rationale: Only one article in this category
Let'srun (
talk) 12:09, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Upmerge. This should be upmerged to Loyola Ramblers football seasons
Mason (
talk) 15:36, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep? - generally we keep all categories for different college football seasons, even when there is just one article. Chicago Dental Infirmary seems to have been a different team than Loyola?
BeanieFan11 (
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Qwerfjkltalk 19:03, 4 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete, there is only a redirect and a subcategory. (I am not sure about merging to Loyola Ramblers football seasons.)
Marcocapelle (
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Qwerfjkltalk 16:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. As far as I can tell. This team was not a precursor to the Loyola Ramblers team, but rather the only association is that
Chicago Dental Infirmary was merged into the dental school at Loyola Chicago in 1926. At the time they were separate institutions with no relation. –
Aidan721 (
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Delete, and once again sans novocaine. See my rationale on the master category.
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Empty babel categories
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Nomiantor's rationale: These are not the sort of categories that should be kept despite being empty.
* Pppery *it has begun... 20:19, 4 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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Qwerfjkltalk 16:22, 12 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Not sure why these categories exist.
Omnis Scientia (
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Delete all as empty per
WP:CSD#C1. The usage of
Template:possibly empty category is inappropriate for these categories and I'm not sure why that would have been added. That template is reserved for cleanup categories that often get emptied and then repopulated, these categories don't fit into that mold.
VegaDark (
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I agree with you in theory that these should be speedyable, but I generally prefer to get explicit consensus before undertaking mass actions, so here we are.
* Pppery *it has begun... 04:51, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment do the language user boxes autocategorize into "CAT:User ISO639" base category if the "-X" skill level subcategory is missing? --
65.92.247.66 (
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It depends. If they are done by #babel: then it will cause Babel AutoCreate to recreate the category; If they are done by a template then it will most likely populate the category despite being red, and someone on WantedCategories patrol will recreate it. But most of these have been empty for years or longer, so that's unlikely.
* Pppery *it has begun... 04:49, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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That is a good point. The previous rename was a step in the right direction, but not spot on yet, as someone also commented in that discussion. Better move this to full CfD then.
Marcocapelle (
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Okay, I just saw
the December CfD. The problem here is that we now have conflicting precedents: The October one was for People from Foo by place, while the December one was for Fooian people by place. I've struck my oppose here, but a follow-up nom is needed to reconcile the whole tree one way or the other. (And for that matter, I still think the People from Foo format is preferable as the one that properly reflects the member categories. Being considered to be "from" a place does not imply one must have that place's nationality.) --
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Such division by country of origin is of no practical use, and it only creates difficulties with categorisation, which will never be correct in this environment.
Firstly, most of the genres are duplicated in two categories, because many genres have both US and UK country of origin in their infoboxes at the same time. The practical sense of this division is lost in 60% of cases for rock categories, and in some cases for hip-hop. I personally don't see any practical convenience in constantly switching between these two categories in an attempt to figure out which genres are truly exclusively British.
Secondly, genres often have roots in other countries besides the US and UK, but there are no categories for this and will not be, but they will be placed in these two categories rather than in the general category (e.g.
Reggae rock). And it's unclear whether or not such genres should be placed in those categories and such situations.
Thirdly, in a situation when there are major genres with their own sub-genres and globalisation is a thing, such a hierarchy cannot be correctly arranged by country of origin. You put a major genre in one category, and it has its own nested categories for subgenres that were created all over the world. For example,
Category:Heavy metal genres is now located only in "American rock music genres" and "British rock music genres", while it has a huge number of sub-genres created in individual European countries. And it turns out that the categorisation tells you that
Celtic metal is an American and British genre.
So I suggest remove the categories and move their content to Category:Hip hop genres and Category:Rock music genres respectively.
Solidest (
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P.S. For American hip hop I created
Category:American hip hop scenes a few years ago, which is both much more specific and would avoid all the problems described above.
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Category:17th-century Franco-Flemish composers
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Nominator's rationale:merge, the
Franco-Flemish School flourished from about 1430 to 1620 so very little in the 17th century, and all articles of this category belong in the 16th century too.
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Category:Death in Italy by place
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. It's unhelpful for navigation to have two cities tucked away from the parent category. If kept, it should be renamed to "by location" or "by city"
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Category:People executed by explosive device
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Merge per nom. Read the story of
Eugenio Calò. How did the Nazis even come up with such sick shit? Nonetheless, the upmerge makes sense.
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Category:Historical research institutes
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Nominator's rationale: These appear to refer to the same type of research institutes.
LoganTalkContributions 00:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom, or if there is any difference between the two categories then it should be clarified much better.
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Support merge They are almost same. killer bee 15:07, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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