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Nominator's rationale: No need to have a category with a single country in it. This is unhelpful for navigation.
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Category:Religious police
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Merge/delete per nom, and because it is a redundant category layer with only one subcategory. The subcategory is already in the target so merge and delete have the same effect.
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Merge and redirect for traceability, as the subcat uses the name "religious police". –
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Category:Russian Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War
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Delete (or merge when there is a suitable target), these aren't military leaders.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete per
WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Even if we were to rename "Military" to "political", it's arbitrarily put together. These are the presidents of the RF, DNR and LNR, but one might just as well include Lukashenka, the Ayatollah of Iran and Kim Jong-un, or all heads of all federal subjects of the Russian Federation including Kadyrov.
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Delete per nom, and just membership of an organization is hardly ever a defining characteristic.
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Category:Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War
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Nominator's rationale: This category does not match the article, namely
Russian invasion of Ukraine. It is also populated solely by one political leader, not a military leader.
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Category:Mashriqi Jews
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Category:Musta'arabi Jews
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Nominator's rationale: Small subcategory. Another possibility: to upmerge directly into
Category:Mizrahi Jews.
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Nominator's rationale: Merge as arbcat. Why 1941 to 1949? This distinction seems arbitrary. (If not merged, it should be renamed to Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims in the 1940s)
Mason (
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Decades are common practice when there are multiple sibling decade categories, but that is not going to happen in this case.
Marcocapelle (
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Hmmm I wouldn't be sure about that, but now that I think about it, perhaps a subdivision by century is a viable alternative?
NLeeuw (
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Good point. We could create broader categories for the rest, like "medieval" (622-1500; 4 items) and "early modern Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims" (1500-1800; 4 items). But that is quite meagre, and we still couldn't set it up with Navseasonscat, so I guess Upmerging for now is a better option.
NLeeuw (
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Merge to
Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms. There is no need to differentiate based on religion. Moreover, in many of the cases, the participants were not all Muslims.--
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I have nominated it above.--
User:Namiba 18:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I think Namiba has made a good case for upmerging that category as well. Procedurally, I think it's best if we reach agreement to upmerge this one first, otherwise we'd be trying to upmerge into a category that doesn't exist anymore.
NLeeuw (
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Whatever is done, get rid of this name. "By Muslims" is simply unacceptable in a category name. Even when the majority of the perpetrators were Muslims, the name implies that their religion was a key factor in the process (rather than politics, economics, etc.). Usually this is either false or unknown. Would we name a cat about things done by Israel with "by Jews"?
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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Réunion
Yeah, I also have mixed feelings about "in France"
Mason (
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What about, say, Hawaii or Alaska? (Or Malta should integration be achieved back in the 1950s–60s?)
61.244.93.97 (
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Keep so that it may be grouped under an African parent category when there are also such by continent parents.
61.244.93.97 (
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If you create it then of course it is a good merge target too.
Marcocapelle (
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Keep as stated above; or otherwise the next preferable choice would be merger with Roman catholic church buildings in all other départements et régions d'outre-mer under the same category.
61.244.93.97 (
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Keep this category and put it under both the French and the African hierarchy.
83.229.61.201 (
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As an IP user you can vote as many times as you want but don't expect it to be taken seriously by the closer of the discussion.
Marcocapelle (
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Merge to multiple targets including France, and the new
Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa. The nominator has added 2 articles in the nominated category to 2 articles in the Reunion parent to make 4, but they are the same 2 articles, so no breakdown of Reunion churches is justified. –
FayenaticLondon 21:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry but I created the categories from
category requests. Try contacting the requester. Thanks.
CanonNi (
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@
Fayenatic london: Cool. Would you think it's easier to navigate and clearer to understand from the audience' point of view to have for these buildings in Réunion a subcategory under both the French and the African categories, than a four-way upmerge?
83.229.61.201 (
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Thanks for following this – I assume you're the same editor as the requester
59.152.195.28 (
talk·contribs). I used to support thin hierarchies with very specific intersections, but in the last few years there have been many precedents at CFD with consensus to merge such cases. So no, I don't recommend creating categories with only one or two members, except where we can reasonably expect that more eligible articles will be created fairly soon. –
FayenaticLondon 13:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
No I'm not. Given the number of
articles in French on Wikipedia about churches in Réunion a lot more articles can reasonably be expected.
83.229.61.201 (
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That's not a criteria for keeping a category.
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Category:Languages used in Doordarshan
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Delete per nom. They are simply Indian languages, at most to be diffused by Indian state.
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Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. Upmerge for now.
NLeeuw (
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Merge for now, without objection to recreate any of these categories when some more articles are available.
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Category:Uterus transplant recipients
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Nominator's rationale: small category with only one person in it, which isn't helpful for navigation
Mason (
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Merge, the article
Uterus transplant discusses a number of known cases and the recipients were apparently not notable by themselves (with one exception).
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In the future, there may be enough notable uterus transplant recipients to make it worthwhile to have a category. When that day comes, I hope someone recreates this category. But right now, with only one person in the category? Merge per nom.
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Category:Anti-feminism
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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. (If Anti-feminism is the preferred name, then we should still merge and then rename to preserve the edit history)
Mason (
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Therefore, I suggest merging per nom, and afterways a speedy rename to
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WP:C2D. (Maybe the second step can be taken in one go during this CfM already?).
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Category:Pin-up models
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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories by a new (to categories) user.
Mason (
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Were they really adult models? The first article I am reading,
Betty Bryant, does not mention anything about it.
Marcocapelle (
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Good question. Do you think that just targeted to regular models would be better? I don't think that this is really defining, as it's more of a layout/design/style rather than a type.
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Right, so I am leaning to deletion.
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Category:20th-century Australian women activists
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Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. Several CFDs have decided that activists are not diffused by century
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Merge, activist is a modern occupation anyway.
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Category:20th-century Australian women tennis players
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Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. The norm is to not diffuse by century for specific sports. I already have a speedy rename in for the current parent category (20th-century Australian women athletes)
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Nominator's rationale: No need to have a category with a single country in it. This is unhelpful for navigation.
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Category:Religious police
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Merge/delete per nom, and because it is a redundant category layer with only one subcategory. The subcategory is already in the target so merge and delete have the same effect.
Marcocapelle (
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Merge and redirect for traceability, as the subcat uses the name "religious police". –
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Category:Russian Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War
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Delete (or merge when there is a suitable target), these aren't military leaders.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete per
WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Even if we were to rename "Military" to "political", it's arbitrarily put together. These are the presidents of the RF, DNR and LNR, but one might just as well include Lukashenka, the Ayatollah of Iran and Kim Jong-un, or all heads of all federal subjects of the Russian Federation including Kadyrov.
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Category:Universities Canada
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Delete per nom, and just membership of an organization is hardly ever a defining characteristic.
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Category:Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War
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Nominator's rationale: This category does not match the article, namely
Russian invasion of Ukraine. It is also populated solely by one political leader, not a military leader.
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Category:Mashriqi Jews
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Category:Musta'arabi Jews
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Nominator's rationale: Small subcategory. Another possibility: to upmerge directly into
Category:Mizrahi Jews.
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Nominator's rationale: Merge as arbcat. Why 1941 to 1949? This distinction seems arbitrary. (If not merged, it should be renamed to Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims in the 1940s)
Mason (
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Decades are common practice when there are multiple sibling decade categories, but that is not going to happen in this case.
Marcocapelle (
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Hmmm I wouldn't be sure about that, but now that I think about it, perhaps a subdivision by century is a viable alternative?
NLeeuw (
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Good point. We could create broader categories for the rest, like "medieval" (622-1500; 4 items) and "early modern Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims" (1500-1800; 4 items). But that is quite meagre, and we still couldn't set it up with Navseasonscat, so I guess Upmerging for now is a better option.
NLeeuw (
talk) 22:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms. There is no need to differentiate based on religion. Moreover, in many of the cases, the participants were not all Muslims.--
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I have nominated it above.--
User:Namiba 18:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I think Namiba has made a good case for upmerging that category as well. Procedurally, I think it's best if we reach agreement to upmerge this one first, otherwise we'd be trying to upmerge into a category that doesn't exist anymore.
NLeeuw (
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Whatever is done, get rid of this name. "By Muslims" is simply unacceptable in a category name. Even when the majority of the perpetrators were Muslims, the name implies that their religion was a key factor in the process (rather than politics, economics, etc.). Usually this is either false or unknown. Would we name a cat about things done by Israel with "by Jews"?
Zerotalk 04:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Réunion
Yeah, I also have mixed feelings about "in France"
Mason (
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What about, say, Hawaii or Alaska? (Or Malta should integration be achieved back in the 1950s–60s?)
61.244.93.97 (
talk) 09:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep so that it may be grouped under an African parent category when there are also such by continent parents.
61.244.93.97 (
talk) 09:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
If you create it then of course it is a good merge target too.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep as stated above; or otherwise the next preferable choice would be merger with Roman catholic church buildings in all other départements et régions d'outre-mer under the same category.
61.244.93.97 (
talk) 08:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep this category and put it under both the French and the African hierarchy.
83.229.61.201 (
talk) 15:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC)reply
As an IP user you can vote as many times as you want but don't expect it to be taken seriously by the closer of the discussion.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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Merge to multiple targets including France, and the new
Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa. The nominator has added 2 articles in the nominated category to 2 articles in the Reunion parent to make 4, but they are the same 2 articles, so no breakdown of Reunion churches is justified. –
FayenaticLondon 21:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry but I created the categories from
category requests. Try contacting the requester. Thanks.
CanonNi (
talk) 11:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Fayenatic london: Cool. Would you think it's easier to navigate and clearer to understand from the audience' point of view to have for these buildings in Réunion a subcategory under both the French and the African categories, than a four-way upmerge?
83.229.61.201 (
talk) 18:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for following this – I assume you're the same editor as the requester
59.152.195.28 (
talk·contribs). I used to support thin hierarchies with very specific intersections, but in the last few years there have been many precedents at CFD with consensus to merge such cases. So no, I don't recommend creating categories with only one or two members, except where we can reasonably expect that more eligible articles will be created fairly soon. –
FayenaticLondon 13:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
No I'm not. Given the number of
articles in French on Wikipedia about churches in Réunion a lot more articles can reasonably be expected.
83.229.61.201 (
talk) 09:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
That's not a criteria for keeping a category.
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Category:Languages used in Doordarshan
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Delete per nom. They are simply Indian languages, at most to be diffused by Indian state.
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Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. Upmerge for now.
NLeeuw (
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Merge for now, without objection to recreate any of these categories when some more articles are available.
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Nominator's rationale: small category with only one person in it, which isn't helpful for navigation
Mason (
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Merge, the article
Uterus transplant discusses a number of known cases and the recipients were apparently not notable by themselves (with one exception).
Marcocapelle (
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In the future, there may be enough notable uterus transplant recipients to make it worthwhile to have a category. When that day comes, I hope someone recreates this category. But right now, with only one person in the category? Merge per nom.
-sche (
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Category:Anti-feminism
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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. (If Anti-feminism is the preferred name, then we should still merge and then rename to preserve the edit history)
Mason (
talk) 02:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Therefore, I suggest merging per nom, and afterways a speedy rename to
Category:Antifeminism per
WP:C2D. (Maybe the second step can be taken in one go during this CfM already?).
NLeeuw (
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Category:Pin-up models
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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories by a new (to categories) user.
Mason (
talk) 02:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Were they really adult models? The first article I am reading,
Betty Bryant, does not mention anything about it.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 03:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Good question. Do you think that just targeted to regular models would be better? I don't think that this is really defining, as it's more of a layout/design/style rather than a type.
Mason (
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Right, so I am leaning to deletion.
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Category:20th-century Australian women activists
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Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. Several CFDs have decided that activists are not diffused by century
Mason (
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Merge, activist is a modern occupation anyway.
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Category:20th-century Australian women tennis players
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Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. The norm is to not diffuse by century for specific sports. I already have a speedy rename in for the current parent category (20th-century Australian women athletes)
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