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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 03:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Sunnydale High Yearbook
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Subject fails WP:NBOOK Chris Troutman ( talk) 00:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science fiction and fantasy and Television. Chris Troutman ( talk) 00:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer novels as a section. BD2412 T 01:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, plot summaries are allowed without sourcing (the plot makes up the better part of the page) and Buffy as a topic is notable per its being taught in multiple college level courses. If merged, on the other hand, do closers or nominators assure that it is an accurate merge with almost all of the pertinent information being brought over (including the plot)? The plot and other information on this unsourced page has been seen by multiple editors and readers, many of them canon fans of Buffy, without anyone pointing out existing obvious errors in the descriptor or the in-universe plot.
Randy Kryn (
talk) 01:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Plot summaries may be allowed without sourcing, but articles consisting primarily thereof are explicitly not. Per
WP:PRIMARY:
Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them.
See also MOS:WAF. The notability of the franchise is a red herring, as it has no bearing on whether this topic should have a stand-alone article. TompaDompa ( talk) 06:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Plot summaries may be allowed without sourcing, but articles consisting primarily thereof are explicitly not. Per
WP:PRIMARY:
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Literature. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer novels#Buffy season 3, like it was in December. Deleting sub-topics when they could be redirected is not helpful. - Sumanuil. (talk to me) 05:01, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer novels#Buffy season 3 - The article is unsourced, and I'm not finding much in the way of coverage in reliable sources. This short piece is the only review I can find, making this a failure of WP:NBOOK. Rorshacma ( talk) 07:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per Rorshacma. Not finding enough sources for WP:SIGCOV. Not much to preserve, but it's a valid redirect term, and can be covered at the target article. Shooterwalker ( talk) 21:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it has sufficient RS coverage:
| “ | Other paratexts followed, including the 1999 release of Sunnydale High Yearbook, co-authored by tie-in phenoms Christopher Golden and Nancy Holder. The Yearbook is designed with verisimilitude in mind, as if it is an actual high school yearbook—complete with “signatures” on the inside front and back covers, “handwritten” notes throughout, and descriptions of school events from the show’s diegesis such as Halloween, the Talent Show, the Sadie Hawkins Dance, and the Spring Fling, accompanied, of course, with pictures from the corresponding episodes as if they had been taken by the yearbook committee. Transmedial by nature, both of these kinds of paratexts suggest a life for the show beyond its televisual borders. Obviously, BtVS did not invent these kind of paratexts; other shows such as Twin Peaks and The X-Files had companion books and guides, too, but situated temporally as it was within the nascent phenomenon of online fandom, the paratextual BtVS experience was highly influential in how later shows—particularly those aimed at the 18–35 demographic—were wooed through such cultural products. | ” |
- [1] footnotes omitted from quote.
- Negative review in EW.
- Enduring coverage via a 20th anniversary article mention: "Additionally there’s a “Sunnydale High Yearbook Contest” across the country where the grand prize is a trip to San Diego for Comic Con. All fans have to do is upload their high school class photos to Twitter and Facebook with their best Buffy caption in the form of a “senior quote.”" THR.
- Overall
WP:NBOOK #1 is met.
Jclemens (
talk) 22:04, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I don't think that last source is about this book - its about a contest that occurred on social media in 2017, and the book that this article is about was released in 1999. That first source is also very short on actual coverage on the book - the part you quoted is basically the entirety of the coverage in the entire paper on the book, which I don't believe is
WP:SIGCOV.
Rorshacma (
talk) 16:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- This is probably correct, but if we are going to cover successive references to a fictional yearbook from a rather popular high-school-based (well, at least the first three seasons) show, this is where it would go. That is, even if this aspect of the topic isn't covered by the current article that focuses only on the specific tie-in product, it would be covered in a thoroughly complete encyclopedia article by this title. Jclemens ( talk) 04:03, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I don't think that last source is about this book - its about a contest that occurred on social media in 2017, and the book that this article is about was released in 1999. That first source is also very short on actual coverage on the book - the part you quoted is basically the entirety of the coverage in the entire paper on the book, which I don't believe is
WP:SIGCOV.
Rorshacma (
talk) 16:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- User:Cunard, any thoughts? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria says:
SourcesA book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:
- The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.
- Macnaughtan, Don (2011).
The Buffyverse Catalog: A Complete Guide to Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel in Print, Film, Television, Comics, Games and Other Media, 1992–2010. Jefferson, North Carolina:
McFarland & Company.
ISBN
978-1-4766-2207-1. Retrieved 2024-02-08 – via
Google Books.
The book notes: "Golden, Christopher, and Nancy Holder. Sunnydale High Yearbook. New York: Simon, 1999. Print. 112p. A fully realized fake yearbook for the Sunnydale High graduating class of '99, many of whom survived the graduation ceremony and went on to future careers. There are reports on Homecoming, including runners-up Cordelia Chase and Buffy Summers, Homecoming fashion perspectives from Harmony Kendall, and reports from the chess, computer, dance, and drama clubs. There are updates on prime student hangouts around Sunnydale, including The Bronze, the Zoo, Putters' Green, the Mall, and the Sun Cinema. The swim team had an unfortunate year, with the coach and several members mysteriously missing. The "In Memoriam” section at the back is inevitably rather long, and includes Herbert the Pig, school mascot. On the bright side, the school had the lowest annual mortality rate in recent history."
- Baldwin, Kristen (1999-11-19).
"Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Sunnydale High Yearbook".
Entertainment Weekly.
EBSCOhost
2502762. Archived from
the original on 2024-02-08. Retrieved 2024-02-08.
The review notes: "Ultimately, Yearbook scrapes the bottom of the trivia sarcophagus: Even having seen every episode, I couldn’t place some of the so-called key references, like the endless rosters of Sunnydale’s sports teams. About as informative as a rerun—and not nearly as entertaining. C-"
- Kushman, Rick (1999-11-28).
"Music gifts a big part of the TV picture. CDs aplenty for shows new and old; there's even a high-school yearbook".
The Sacramento Bee. Archived from
the original on 2024-02-08. Retrieved 2024-02-08 – via
Newspapers.com.
The article notes: "... this year there's one gift that will make you look smart, funny and cool. And, really, that's why we give gifts, isn't it? To look cool? It's "The Sunnydale High 1999 Yearbook" (Pocket Books, $16.95). That's the school that just graduated Buffy Summers, the once-in-a-generation slayer, enemy of vampires, demons and other evil creatures with bad skin. What we've got here is one of the best TV tie-in gifts in years, a clever connection to "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" that's as ironic as the series. To sum up the year, the yearbook gushes: "We're proud to say the class of '99 has the lowest mortality rate of any graduating class." It's hard to compete with that kind of achievement, but here are a few more gift ideas for people who just love TV. It comes with senior class photos and summaries, pictures of activities (proms, graduation, demon attacks), and autographs to Buffy (Willow wrote: "You made me grow. Not in a getting bigger way. Another way.")."
- Graves, Stephanie A. (2019).
"The Transtextual Road Trip: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Supernatural, and Televisual Forebears". In Kitchens, Juliette C.; Hawk, Julie (eds.).
Transmediating the Whedonverse(s). Cham:
Palgrave Macmillan. p. 190.
doi:
10.1007/978-3-030-24616-7_8.
ISBN
978-3-030-24615-0. Retrieved 2024-02-08 – via
Internet Archive.
The book notes: "Other paratexts followed, including the 1999 release of Sunnydale High Yearbook, co-authored by tie-in phenoms Christopher Golden and Nancy Holder. The Yearbook is designed with verisimilitude in mind, as if it is an actual high school yearbook—complete with "signatures" on the inside front and back covers, "handwritten" notes throughout, and descriptions of school events from the show's diegesis such as Halloween, the Talent Show, the Sadie Hawkins Dance, and the Spring Fling, accompanied, of course, with pictures from the corresponding episodes as if they had been taken by the yearbook committee. Transmedial by nature, both of these kinds of paratexts suggest a life for the show beyond its televisual borders."
-
"Albany Public Library offers new books".
Corvallis Gazette-Times. 2000-04-30. Archived from
the original on 2024-02-08. Retrieved 2024-02-08 – via
Newspapers.com.
The article notes: "Young adult. Sunnydale High Yearbook, by Christopher Golden and Nancy Holder, 1999. Even though Buffy and her crew have immersed themselves in college life, at times they will feel nostalgic for their former high school. Because the actual building is a huge mass of charred rubble, they will have to turn to the Sunnydale High Yearbook to relive their memories. And now so can you. Buffy's yearbook, complete with color pictures, messages from classmates and an "in memoriam" section that lists people who fell to the evil in Sunnydale, is available for you to look at."
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 03:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Sunnydale High Yearbook
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Sunnydale High Yearbook ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Subject fails WP:NBOOK Chris Troutman ( talk) 00:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science fiction and fantasy and Television. Chris Troutman ( talk) 00:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer novels as a section. BD2412 T 01:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, plot summaries are allowed without sourcing (the plot makes up the better part of the page) and Buffy as a topic is notable per its being taught in multiple college level courses. If merged, on the other hand, do closers or nominators assure that it is an accurate merge with almost all of the pertinent information being brought over (including the plot)? The plot and other information on this unsourced page has been seen by multiple editors and readers, many of them canon fans of Buffy, without anyone pointing out existing obvious errors in the descriptor or the in-universe plot.
Randy Kryn (
talk) 01:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Plot summaries may be allowed without sourcing, but articles consisting primarily thereof are explicitly not. Per
WP:PRIMARY:
Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them.
See also MOS:WAF. The notability of the franchise is a red herring, as it has no bearing on whether this topic should have a stand-alone article. TompaDompa ( talk) 06:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Plot summaries may be allowed without sourcing, but articles consisting primarily thereof are explicitly not. Per
WP:PRIMARY:
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Literature. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer novels#Buffy season 3, like it was in December. Deleting sub-topics when they could be redirected is not helpful. - Sumanuil. (talk to me) 05:01, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer novels#Buffy season 3 - The article is unsourced, and I'm not finding much in the way of coverage in reliable sources. This short piece is the only review I can find, making this a failure of WP:NBOOK. Rorshacma ( talk) 07:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per Rorshacma. Not finding enough sources for WP:SIGCOV. Not much to preserve, but it's a valid redirect term, and can be covered at the target article. Shooterwalker ( talk) 21:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it has sufficient RS coverage:
| “ | Other paratexts followed, including the 1999 release of Sunnydale High Yearbook, co-authored by tie-in phenoms Christopher Golden and Nancy Holder. The Yearbook is designed with verisimilitude in mind, as if it is an actual high school yearbook—complete with “signatures” on the inside front and back covers, “handwritten” notes throughout, and descriptions of school events from the show’s diegesis such as Halloween, the Talent Show, the Sadie Hawkins Dance, and the Spring Fling, accompanied, of course, with pictures from the corresponding episodes as if they had been taken by the yearbook committee. Transmedial by nature, both of these kinds of paratexts suggest a life for the show beyond its televisual borders. Obviously, BtVS did not invent these kind of paratexts; other shows such as Twin Peaks and The X-Files had companion books and guides, too, but situated temporally as it was within the nascent phenomenon of online fandom, the paratextual BtVS experience was highly influential in how later shows—particularly those aimed at the 18–35 demographic—were wooed through such cultural products. | ” |
- [1] footnotes omitted from quote.
- Negative review in EW.
- Enduring coverage via a 20th anniversary article mention: "Additionally there’s a “Sunnydale High Yearbook Contest” across the country where the grand prize is a trip to San Diego for Comic Con. All fans have to do is upload their high school class photos to Twitter and Facebook with their best Buffy caption in the form of a “senior quote.”" THR.
- Overall
WP:NBOOK #1 is met.
Jclemens (
talk) 22:04, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I don't think that last source is about this book - its about a contest that occurred on social media in 2017, and the book that this article is about was released in 1999. That first source is also very short on actual coverage on the book - the part you quoted is basically the entirety of the coverage in the entire paper on the book, which I don't believe is
WP:SIGCOV.
Rorshacma (
talk) 16:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- This is probably correct, but if we are going to cover successive references to a fictional yearbook from a rather popular high-school-based (well, at least the first three seasons) show, this is where it would go. That is, even if this aspect of the topic isn't covered by the current article that focuses only on the specific tie-in product, it would be covered in a thoroughly complete encyclopedia article by this title. Jclemens ( talk) 04:03, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I don't think that last source is about this book - its about a contest that occurred on social media in 2017, and the book that this article is about was released in 1999. That first source is also very short on actual coverage on the book - the part you quoted is basically the entirety of the coverage in the entire paper on the book, which I don't believe is
WP:SIGCOV.
Rorshacma (
talk) 16:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- User:Cunard, any thoughts? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria says:
SourcesA book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:
- The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.
- Macnaughtan, Don (2011).
The Buffyverse Catalog: A Complete Guide to Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel in Print, Film, Television, Comics, Games and Other Media, 1992–2010. Jefferson, North Carolina:
McFarland & Company.
ISBN
978-1-4766-2207-1. Retrieved 2024-02-08 – via
Google Books.
The book notes: "Golden, Christopher, and Nancy Holder. Sunnydale High Yearbook. New York: Simon, 1999. Print. 112p. A fully realized fake yearbook for the Sunnydale High graduating class of '99, many of whom survived the graduation ceremony and went on to future careers. There are reports on Homecoming, including runners-up Cordelia Chase and Buffy Summers, Homecoming fashion perspectives from Harmony Kendall, and reports from the chess, computer, dance, and drama clubs. There are updates on prime student hangouts around Sunnydale, including The Bronze, the Zoo, Putters' Green, the Mall, and the Sun Cinema. The swim team had an unfortunate year, with the coach and several members mysteriously missing. The "In Memoriam” section at the back is inevitably rather long, and includes Herbert the Pig, school mascot. On the bright side, the school had the lowest annual mortality rate in recent history."
- Baldwin, Kristen (1999-11-19).
"Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Sunnydale High Yearbook".
Entertainment Weekly.
EBSCOhost
2502762. Archived from
the original on 2024-02-08. Retrieved 2024-02-08.
The review notes: "Ultimately, Yearbook scrapes the bottom of the trivia sarcophagus: Even having seen every episode, I couldn’t place some of the so-called key references, like the endless rosters of Sunnydale’s sports teams. About as informative as a rerun—and not nearly as entertaining. C-"
- Kushman, Rick (1999-11-28).
"Music gifts a big part of the TV picture. CDs aplenty for shows new and old; there's even a high-school yearbook".
The Sacramento Bee. Archived from
the original on 2024-02-08. Retrieved 2024-02-08 – via
Newspapers.com.
The article notes: "... this year there's one gift that will make you look smart, funny and cool. And, really, that's why we give gifts, isn't it? To look cool? It's "The Sunnydale High 1999 Yearbook" (Pocket Books, $16.95). That's the school that just graduated Buffy Summers, the once-in-a-generation slayer, enemy of vampires, demons and other evil creatures with bad skin. What we've got here is one of the best TV tie-in gifts in years, a clever connection to "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" that's as ironic as the series. To sum up the year, the yearbook gushes: "We're proud to say the class of '99 has the lowest mortality rate of any graduating class." It's hard to compete with that kind of achievement, but here are a few more gift ideas for people who just love TV. It comes with senior class photos and summaries, pictures of activities (proms, graduation, demon attacks), and autographs to Buffy (Willow wrote: "You made me grow. Not in a getting bigger way. Another way.")."
- Graves, Stephanie A. (2019).
"The Transtextual Road Trip: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Supernatural, and Televisual Forebears". In Kitchens, Juliette C.; Hawk, Julie (eds.).
Transmediating the Whedonverse(s). Cham:
Palgrave Macmillan. p. 190.
doi:
10.1007/978-3-030-24616-7_8.
ISBN
978-3-030-24615-0. Retrieved 2024-02-08 – via
Internet Archive.
The book notes: "Other paratexts followed, including the 1999 release of Sunnydale High Yearbook, co-authored by tie-in phenoms Christopher Golden and Nancy Holder. The Yearbook is designed with verisimilitude in mind, as if it is an actual high school yearbook—complete with "signatures" on the inside front and back covers, "handwritten" notes throughout, and descriptions of school events from the show's diegesis such as Halloween, the Talent Show, the Sadie Hawkins Dance, and the Spring Fling, accompanied, of course, with pictures from the corresponding episodes as if they had been taken by the yearbook committee. Transmedial by nature, both of these kinds of paratexts suggest a life for the show beyond its televisual borders."
-
"Albany Public Library offers new books".
Corvallis Gazette-Times. 2000-04-30. Archived from
the original on 2024-02-08. Retrieved 2024-02-08 – via
Newspapers.com.
The article notes: "Young adult. Sunnydale High Yearbook, by Christopher Golden and Nancy Holder, 1999. Even though Buffy and her crew have immersed themselves in college life, at times they will feel nostalgic for their former high school. Because the actual building is a huge mass of charred rubble, they will have to turn to the Sunnydale High Yearbook to relive their memories. And now so can you. Buffy's yearbook, complete with color pictures, messages from classmates and an "in memoriam" section that lists people who fell to the evil in Sunnydale, is available for you to look at."
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.