The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and salted.  JGHowes  ^talk 14:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Rt Rana

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The community has repeatedly deleted content about RT Rana; and indeed, that title is salted, which is why this version uses the wrong capitalization for his name. It was discussed again at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 March 12 where there was insufficient consensus to endorse the latest speedy deletion, and therefore I have listed it at AfD. Has the community's view on this gentleman changed? — S Marshall  T/ C 10:57, 22 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sri Lanka-related deletion discussions. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC) reply

• Delete, falls short of notability guidelines and there's reason to suspect UPE as well. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:24, 22 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment Dear Rosguill, you are trying too hard deleting this article from wikipedia.Thanks Rajuiu ( talk) 22:12, 22 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment he is notable person because google has published his biography in its children safe browser kiddle https://kids.kiddle.co/Rt_Rana and Facebook recovered his account because He couldn't access it and reported this to the cyber crime branch at Jaffna. As well as his fans made official fans club for him and they having official fans club social media as well as fans club social media reaching followers too. such as fans club ,Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/rtranafansclub (4.7k likes) , YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/VTSUTHA (1.12 k subscribers ) and i have seen rt rana Facebook page, he also thanking his fans club admin. https://www.facebook.com/419306038271272/photos/a.554231688112039/1569486279919903/ notable people only get this type of attention Rajuiu ( talk) 23:51, 22 March 2021 (UTC) reply

• Delete and Salt, this is clear either a fan or COI. The individual does not satisfy WP:ANYBIO - he is a minor public servant, who is also a radio announcer on a non-notable local radio station. The only sources provided are: YouTube, GoodReads, Facebook and Twitter all of which are not an acceptable or reliable sources and Radiotamizha which is a primary source. Dan arndt ( talk) 01:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment Dear Dan arndt your are previous discussion 2016 RT Rana ( AfD discussion), nominator so and this article came main space you also tag proposed deletion tag . and you know very well its huge has changed from previous article. so that you did not mention that reason currelty AFD and i have to explain some details he is not a minor public servant± . his post name is public health field officer . the post is officer grade and and their major staff this the https://www.np.gov.lk/result/2017%20PPSC/2nd%20eb%20TO.pdf 2nd EFFICIENCY BAR EXAMINATION FOR OFFICERS IN GRADE II OF SRI LANKA , the officer grade staff need to complete efficiency bar exam . but they want to pass this exam , and srilanka commonly pass marks is over 40 and he also passed that exam Rajuiu ( talk) 23:13, 23 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment i have written in the AFD , he is having fan club. because generally popular actors and singer having fans club but announcer having fans club rare ,other srilankan tamil announcers are not having like this , and i think we can't say non notable radio station because they reached 94k followers in the facebook https://www.facebook.com/Radiotamizha/— Rajuiu ( talk) 23:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment, Rajuiu - he is a minor public servant, a public health field officer is not a notable position (whether he has had good grades and passed public service exams is irrelevant). Just like whether he has a fan club on Facebook is irrelevant. Radiotamizha is not a notable radio station (i.e. it doesn't have an article on Wikipedia). The fundamental issue here is whether the article on this individual satisfies the requirements of WP:ANYBIO or not. Clearly it doesn't as there is no evidence of significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. Dan arndt ( talk) 02:19, 25 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment Dear Dan arndt I KINDLY REQUEST TO YOU , IF YOU EDTING IN THE AFD PLEASE WRITE EDIT SUMMARY ,because iam not satisfied the afd vote some one changing participate votes https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rt_Rana&action=history see this edit summary he is serving public health field officer. the post is officer grade , if person officer grade their major staff .if person working cleaning and helping for officer grade staff , they are minor public servant. radio tamizha fm is notable https://www.google.com/search?q=radio+tamizha+fm& please see the google search link many other reliable website add their link and i think if any Wikipedian not interest to create that article for radio tamizha fm. i am telling about generally tamil announcers not having fans club. but he has a fans club and fans club social media reaching followers. this is notable .the article on this individual satisfied the requirements of WP:ANYBIO. https://www.newsbugz.com/rt-rana-wiki/#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0 Rajuiu ( talk) 15:29, 25 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment Rajuiu, the criteria for notability is clearly set out in WP:ANYBIO, essentially you need to demonstrate that there is significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources - which this article doesn't currently satisfy. The references that are provided are dubious at best, almost all of them are self-published sources, with no independent editorial oversight. Newsbugz, YouTube, Panakudu, Facebook and Twitter are not reliable sources. The fact that he has a small fan-base has no bearing on whether he is considered to be notable. A notable public servant is an individual who has been appointed a head of a major government department or agency not a public servant who is simply one of many public health field officers. Dan arndt ( talk) 01:12, 26 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Commenti read you all comments then i relished you did not like this article . because you are previous nominator of RT Rana article and this verison came main space you also tag proposed deletion tag .and other fact same tamil announcer article Yazh Sudhakar this article has no reference but recently you have contribute so clearly everyone are knowing you did not like rt rana article , here is a problem i dont like this . /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_in_deletion_discussions#I_don't_like_it

There is no point in talking to you further Rajuiu ( talk) 14:27, 26 March 2021 (UTC) reply

• Redelete and blacklist. Not substantially different from RT Rana ( AfD discussion), which I'm surprised DRV didn't even attempt to analyze. — Cryptic 10:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC) reply

• Delete and Salt, i dont ke him

Who delete my vote ? Paviraj5623 ( talk) 13:34, 24 March 2021 (UTC) reply

• Delete with salt. Notability, for Wikipedia's purposes, is not a question of whether "google has published his biography in its children safe browser kiddle", or of having an official fan club on Facebook — it is a question of whether he has or hasn't been the subject of sufficient reliable source coverage about him in real media to independently verify his potential notability claims. Real media does not mean Facebook, or YouTube, or direcotry entries, or blogs, or staff profiles on the self-published websites of his own employers: it means journalism in real newspapers, real magazines, real television or radio stations or real books. Exactly none of the sources here are of the correct type. Bearcat ( talk) 16:53, 24 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment dear Bearcat , living person should be pass Notability, for Wikipedia's purposes , i accepted it , and this article pass the Notability guildens of wikipedia and also having reliable source .and other fact we are keeping also same tamil announcers B. H. Abdul Hameed

Yazh Sudhakar this two living person articles are not having reliable source but we are keeping more than over ten years because subject notability and few sources are support so that they didn't nomination for AFD still. may be they thought annoucers notability different from any musician Rajuiu ( talk) 00:10, 26 March 2021 (UTC). reply

No, that's not how Wikipedia notability works. People are not automatically notable enough for Wikipedia articles just because they're alive — six or seven billion other people in the world are also alive, without necessarily getting Wikipedia articles just because they exist. Notability, for our purposes, is a matter of how much reliable source coverage in news outlets has or hasn't been devoted to reporting the person's career accomplishments as news, and/or analyzing the significance of their work critically. And incidentally, please read WP:WAX — and then after you understand the concept (especially the part about how WAX arguments tend to backfire), click on B. H. Abdul Hameed and Yazh Sudhakar again to see what just happened. Bearcat ( talk) 15:58, 27 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment dear Bearcat No, that's not how Wikipedia notability works i accept you words

i will explain to you early i have add too many sources but some Wikipedian and administrator are removing unreliable sources , i have seen especially administrator kuru removed unreliable sources finally 11 sources are here see the history https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Rt_Rana&action=history but here is problem going on , someone behind the scene hard working for deleting this article, i think same team may be previous hacked his facebook . because they have disabled this article first and second reliable sources , article came AFD two references are not working. its a huge challenge for this article for keeping . but we cant not create suddenly reliable sources like this work. but if this article may be keep . it can possible to add reliable sources in the future . six or seven billion other people in the world are also alive , without necessarily getting Wikipedia articles ya correct . but i have seen some AFD discussion .some one having lot of reliable sources but their article deleted from Wikipedia for insufficient of notability . as well as some one having one reliable sources but their article keep from AFD discussion . because of person notability .example i have seen some cricketer AFD discussion

and six or seven billion other people in the world are also alive but some person having Wikipedia , but having Wikipedia all person not having Kids Encyclopedia . because the select person for their filed notability , the published by google and six or seven billion other people in the world are also alive but Facebook having million users but they are recovered his account and has given more features for his login details and Indian and srilankan government are two different country ,especially the India most populous democracy in the world but they have hiring for their official notable program him . and he is also serving srilankan government program.and the two country having million people but they select for him some program . Rajuiu ( talk) 00:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC) reply

I see that both articles were proposed for deletion (afd) in order to destroy this article . because Your opinion is as strong as it gets perfectly willing to withdraw i think if this rt rana article delete you will withdraw AFD B. H. Abdul Hameed /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/B._H._Abdul_Hameed Rajuiu ( talk) 01:00, 28 March 2021 (UTC) reply

• Delete with salt indian government and srilankan government offical program he did but indian government and srilankan government programs are non notable , and their government also non notable .normal announcers are can get their programs Paviraj5623 ( talk) 23:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC). reply
• Delete with saltNo one like him
• Comment to closer, please note that there has been a number of WP:SPA and anonymous votes, which need to be discounted before any conclusions are reached. Dan arndt ( talk) 07:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment i think all are hating this man i can understand the article first and second references are article came AFD suddenly

not working 404 error showing , who is doing? i could not believe this and actually all Ip and new created id against with him. i dont know why they are doing like that Rajuiu ( talk) 16:02, 25 March 2021 (UTC). reply

Rajuiu why u not response my comments Paviraj5623 ( talk) 22:49, 25 March 2021 (UTC) Delete with salt he is not a announcer. :Dan arndt if some time of article keep plZ renominate reply

• Delete, every source is junk. I've had to repeatedly remove links to really obvious problematic sources such as mirrors, blogs, and paid placement. This indicates there is no rational evaluation of the sources, and the incomprehensible arguments above indicate a competency problem. I would strongly suggest that the author limit future contributions to the draft space. Kuru (talk) 15:21, 28 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment dear Kuru, this two sources are not junk , https://www.np.gov.lk/result/2017%20PPSC/2nd%20eb%20TO.pdf this is a srilankan government official document and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tamil_Announcer_Rt_Rana_Announcing_maha_shivaratri_Day_at_the_India_in_Sri_Lanka,_Consulate_General_of_India,_Jaffna.jpg this is an indian government official work. and this image was published by their official verified facebook.

and i kindly request to you, please restore the FACEBOOK HACKED section in the article , because the facebook recovered his account news is a notable news in the article Rajuiu ( talk) 10:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC) facebook is a very largest social media .and they had given more login features for his account when recovered his account . thanks Rajuiu ( talk) 00:16, 30 March 2021 (UTC) reply

• Delete, The subject does not meet WP:GNG and the most of the sources that are given in the article are dead links. The page was first created as RT Rana which was deleted per (A7: Article about a real person, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject). So the page must be protected from creating. Iflaq ^(talk) 12:27, 30 March 2021 (UTC) reply
• Delete and salt. The person clearly exists, but does not meet WP:NOTABILITY. The sources provided are WP:PRIMARY and while they could be used in article, they're not helpful in establishing notability. Shushugah ( talk) 14:29, 30 March 2021 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.