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The result was delete. Sandstein 22:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Publication subvention
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No evidence this concept is notable. It's just a WP:DICTDEF. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:30, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep No evidence that
WP:BEFORE has been followed and my impression is that this just a
drive-by. There's some difficulty in searching for more sources in that publications which have been sponsored in this way tend give a credit. But it didn't take long to find a
book on the subject.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 14:33, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Is this book on the same subject? It mentions the term "publication subvention" only a few times, and it seems only as a reference to a bureaucratic set of rules of
National Endowment for the Humanities. There is no evidence this concept is widely defined or analyzed. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 09:31, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- The nomination is based on
WP:DICDEF. This policy does not mean that we delete short articles; the policy explains that that is a "perennial source of confusion". Instead, the main point of the policy is that "things are grouped into articles based on what they are, not what they are called by." Now, the book I cited is about "publication grants". That's the same as "publication subventions" because a subvention is a grant – they are
synonyms. The book is therefore about the topic and so we're good.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 21:25, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Feel free to rewrite it with references into an article about publication grants, which I admit seems to be a more popular term. Given the current unreferenced/substub state of the article, and possible confusion due to plausible but unconfirmed synonyms, WP:TNT seems like a reasonable option to consider. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:27, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- They're not synonyms, one is an example of the other. Socrates was a man, but "Socrates" and "man" are not synonyms. Publication subvention is a particular type of grant, used primarily in academic publishing and in contexts where the work is unlikely to make a profit. Other types of grants exist: for example, those used in non-academic publishing and offered solely on merit. – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 17:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- The nomination is based on
WP:DICDEF. This policy does not mean that we delete short articles; the policy explains that that is a "perennial source of confusion". Instead, the main point of the policy is that "things are grouped into articles based on what they are, not what they are called by." Now, the book I cited is about "publication grants". That's the same as "publication subventions" because a subvention is a grant – they are
synonyms. The book is therefore about the topic and so we're good.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 21:25, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Is this book on the same subject? It mentions the term "publication subvention" only a few times, and it seems only as a reference to a bureaucratic set of rules of
National Endowment for the Humanities. There is no evidence this concept is widely defined or analyzed. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 09:31, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - I'm sorry, but there is no evidence that "BEFORE was not followed". The reference cited above does not seem to mention this concept, and no convincing argument has been given that Publication Grants are the same concept as Publication Subvention. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 10:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- GCB's quotation is not accurate. The complaint about the sources is likewise false. What we seem to have here are Polish editors having difficulty with English. Tsk. Andrew🐉( talk) 21:10, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Andrew!.. What on earth?!? Why did you think assuming other editors' ethnicity, claiming their English difficulty, and using it as an argument in contest dispute is a good idea? - GizzyCatBella 🍁 09:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Article has been around since 2004, with no significant updates. In fact, lots of unsourced information has been removed. That's plenty of time to meet WP:BEFORE. I'd welcome a new article which was properly sourced and backed up the notability. As of right now, this is just a definition. ~RAM ( talk) 07:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. I can't find any indication that this is a notable topic. Nearly all Google Books/Scholar results seem to mentions in acknowledgements sections. We should probably have an article on publication grants, but for this to become that article it would have to be moved and entirely rewritten. Andrew Davidson's resort to racist personal attacks to defend this one-sentence stub that's been unsourced for 16 years is among the stranger things I've seen at AfD. – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 17:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 22:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Publication subvention
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No evidence this concept is notable. It's just a WP:DICTDEF. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:30, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:30, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:30, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep No evidence that
WP:BEFORE has been followed and my impression is that this just a
drive-by. There's some difficulty in searching for more sources in that publications which have been sponsored in this way tend give a credit. But it didn't take long to find a
book on the subject.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 14:33, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Is this book on the same subject? It mentions the term "publication subvention" only a few times, and it seems only as a reference to a bureaucratic set of rules of
National Endowment for the Humanities. There is no evidence this concept is widely defined or analyzed. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 09:31, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- The nomination is based on
WP:DICDEF. This policy does not mean that we delete short articles; the policy explains that that is a "perennial source of confusion". Instead, the main point of the policy is that "things are grouped into articles based on what they are, not what they are called by." Now, the book I cited is about "publication grants". That's the same as "publication subventions" because a subvention is a grant – they are
synonyms. The book is therefore about the topic and so we're good.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 21:25, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Feel free to rewrite it with references into an article about publication grants, which I admit seems to be a more popular term. Given the current unreferenced/substub state of the article, and possible confusion due to plausible but unconfirmed synonyms, WP:TNT seems like a reasonable option to consider. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:27, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- They're not synonyms, one is an example of the other. Socrates was a man, but "Socrates" and "man" are not synonyms. Publication subvention is a particular type of grant, used primarily in academic publishing and in contexts where the work is unlikely to make a profit. Other types of grants exist: for example, those used in non-academic publishing and offered solely on merit. – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 17:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- The nomination is based on
WP:DICDEF. This policy does not mean that we delete short articles; the policy explains that that is a "perennial source of confusion". Instead, the main point of the policy is that "things are grouped into articles based on what they are, not what they are called by." Now, the book I cited is about "publication grants". That's the same as "publication subventions" because a subvention is a grant – they are
synonyms. The book is therefore about the topic and so we're good.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 21:25, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Is this book on the same subject? It mentions the term "publication subvention" only a few times, and it seems only as a reference to a bureaucratic set of rules of
National Endowment for the Humanities. There is no evidence this concept is widely defined or analyzed. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 09:31, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - I'm sorry, but there is no evidence that "BEFORE was not followed". The reference cited above does not seem to mention this concept, and no convincing argument has been given that Publication Grants are the same concept as Publication Subvention. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 10:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- GCB's quotation is not accurate. The complaint about the sources is likewise false. What we seem to have here are Polish editors having difficulty with English. Tsk. Andrew🐉( talk) 21:10, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Andrew!.. What on earth?!? Why did you think assuming other editors' ethnicity, claiming their English difficulty, and using it as an argument in contest dispute is a good idea? - GizzyCatBella 🍁 09:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Article has been around since 2004, with no significant updates. In fact, lots of unsourced information has been removed. That's plenty of time to meet WP:BEFORE. I'd welcome a new article which was properly sourced and backed up the notability. As of right now, this is just a definition. ~RAM ( talk) 07:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. I can't find any indication that this is a notable topic. Nearly all Google Books/Scholar results seem to mentions in acknowledgements sections. We should probably have an article on publication grants, but for this to become that article it would have to be moved and entirely rewritten. Andrew Davidson's resort to racist personal attacks to defend this one-sentence stub that's been unsourced for 16 years is among the stranger things I've seen at AfD. – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 17:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.