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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 15:39, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
List of Cornish geologists and explorers
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Sparsely populated category-list with weird scope (geologists are people in a very specific scientific discipline, explorers are anyone who travels to places that are poorly known in their native land— what is the connection here?) Dronebogus ( talk) 18:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and United Kingdom. Dronebogus ( talk) 18:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep 16 notable people with their own Wikipedia articles, makes is a valid list. The article for
Cornish people shows how they are considered distinct from others.
Dream Focus 15:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- That doesn’t answer my question of why “geologist” and “explorer” are considered related. We don’t need to keep every list with 3+ blue links if there’s no evidence of notability.
Dronebogus (
talk) 13:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- There are only two explorers listed here. They can be removed and the article renamed. When there aren't enough explorers to fill their own article, they are just kept at List of explorers. One of them is there already, I'll add the other to that list. Dream Focus 14:38, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- That doesn’t answer my question of why “geologist” and “explorer” are considered related. We don’t need to keep every list with 3+ blue links if there’s no evidence of notability.
Dronebogus (
talk) 13:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Category:Explorers from Cornwall has ten entries. They can be put on a separate list though, no reason to include them on this one. An article listing all the Category:People from Cornwall by occupation would be too long. Dream Focus 14:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Split into two separate lists, possibly merge the resulting content into broader scope articles like List of Cornish scientists or List of explorers if the resulting lists would be too short to have their onw pages. "This should be a category" isn't a valid reason to delete a list per WP:NOTDUPE, but this covers two separate topics (explorers and geologists) with little relationship to each other and little reason for them to be combined into one page. 163.1.15.238 ( talk) 14:51, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:05, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Cornwall nowadays is just a region at the southwest corner of England. Briefly skim our constitutional status of Cornwall article for an overview why administratively it's been just another part of England for centuries and how the Cornish language faded from common usage in the 18th century. Attempts to gain autonomy for Cornwall like Scotland or Wales have fizzled due to lack of local support.
- We don't have lists like this for other regions or counties of England and there's no reason to believe a Cornish geologist, philanthropist or architect is going to be different from their other English counterparts. The list serves no purpose.
- In short, this list fails WP:NOT, specifically WP:CROSSCAT. In other words, Wikipedia is not "non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations". (Technically, this is a list, not a category but the notability discussion at WP:LISTN references WP:CROSSCAT and suggests the same rationale for deleting similar lists.)
- -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 04:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per A. B. Does not appear to be a grouping recognized in reliable sources -- or even two separate recognized groupings. One caveat: I note that a couple of items have recently been merged into List of Cornish scientists (the others were already there) -- I don't think the descriptions have sufficient originality to require preserving their edit history, but the closer may want to take a closer look. If there is a need for preservation, a redirect would do no harm. -- Visviva ( talk) 02:31, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: The other issue is that this is an incomplete list that could be accomplished with a tag, and given WP:CROSSCAT and WP:DIRECTORY's primary message, "Wikipedia is not a directory," this would fail the test.
- Editchecker123 ( talk) 02:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 15:39, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
List of Cornish geologists and explorers
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- List of Cornish geologists and explorers ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Sparsely populated category-list with weird scope (geologists are people in a very specific scientific discipline, explorers are anyone who travels to places that are poorly known in their native land— what is the connection here?) Dronebogus ( talk) 18:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and United Kingdom. Dronebogus ( talk) 18:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep 16 notable people with their own Wikipedia articles, makes is a valid list. The article for
Cornish people shows how they are considered distinct from others.
Dream Focus 15:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- That doesn’t answer my question of why “geologist” and “explorer” are considered related. We don’t need to keep every list with 3+ blue links if there’s no evidence of notability.
Dronebogus (
talk) 13:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- There are only two explorers listed here. They can be removed and the article renamed. When there aren't enough explorers to fill their own article, they are just kept at List of explorers. One of them is there already, I'll add the other to that list. Dream Focus 14:38, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- That doesn’t answer my question of why “geologist” and “explorer” are considered related. We don’t need to keep every list with 3+ blue links if there’s no evidence of notability.
Dronebogus (
talk) 13:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Category:Explorers from Cornwall has ten entries. They can be put on a separate list though, no reason to include them on this one. An article listing all the Category:People from Cornwall by occupation would be too long. Dream Focus 14:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Split into two separate lists, possibly merge the resulting content into broader scope articles like List of Cornish scientists or List of explorers if the resulting lists would be too short to have their onw pages. "This should be a category" isn't a valid reason to delete a list per WP:NOTDUPE, but this covers two separate topics (explorers and geologists) with little relationship to each other and little reason for them to be combined into one page. 163.1.15.238 ( talk) 14:51, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:05, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Cornwall nowadays is just a region at the southwest corner of England. Briefly skim our constitutional status of Cornwall article for an overview why administratively it's been just another part of England for centuries and how the Cornish language faded from common usage in the 18th century. Attempts to gain autonomy for Cornwall like Scotland or Wales have fizzled due to lack of local support.
- We don't have lists like this for other regions or counties of England and there's no reason to believe a Cornish geologist, philanthropist or architect is going to be different from their other English counterparts. The list serves no purpose.
- In short, this list fails WP:NOT, specifically WP:CROSSCAT. In other words, Wikipedia is not "non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations". (Technically, this is a list, not a category but the notability discussion at WP:LISTN references WP:CROSSCAT and suggests the same rationale for deleting similar lists.)
- -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 04:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per A. B. Does not appear to be a grouping recognized in reliable sources -- or even two separate recognized groupings. One caveat: I note that a couple of items have recently been merged into List of Cornish scientists (the others were already there) -- I don't think the descriptions have sufficient originality to require preserving their edit history, but the closer may want to take a closer look. If there is a need for preservation, a redirect would do no harm. -- Visviva ( talk) 02:31, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: The other issue is that this is an incomplete list that could be accomplished with a tag, and given WP:CROSSCAT and WP:DIRECTORY's primary message, "Wikipedia is not a directory," this would fail the test.
- Editchecker123 ( talk) 02:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.