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The result was delete. Merge /redirect as an ATD views did not seem to get much support here. Owen× ☎ 13:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Journal of Anime and Manga Studies
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Relatively new journal, not indexed in any selective database, does not meet WP:NJournals. The current version of the article has 11 references. However, almost all are not independent, but either published by the journal itself or its publisher. One independent source is an article in The Washington Post, which is stated to have used the journal to "source" an article. This is somewhat of an exaggeration: the TWP article cites Billy Tringali, mentioning that he's the editor of the Journal of Anime and Manga Studies, so in fact this is just an in passing mention. Taken together, this article also misses WP:GNG, hence: delete. Randykitty ( talk) 13:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academic journals and Anime and manga. Randykitty ( talk) 13:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ Randykitty This journal is indexed in Art and Architecture Source.
-
[1]
https://www.ebsco.com/m/ee/Marketing/titleLists/asu-coverage.htm
2001:18E8:3:10AD:F000:0:0:72A (
talk) 19:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- I know, EBSCO databases are not very selective in the sense of NJournals. --
Randykitty (
talk) 22:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- "Selective" feels arbitrary. The "selective" journal listings recommended are social science and science indexes. This is an interdisciplinary journal focused on anime and manga, an art medium, that is indexed in an art database, meaning it meets Criteria 1:B. 2001:18E8:3:10AD:F000:0:0:72A ( talk) 21:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- A selective database in the sense of NJournals would be the
Arts and Humanities Citation Index. I'm sorry, but 1b is not met. --
Randykitty (
talk) 21:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing on the NJournals that notes that. You are making an arbitrary choice on what does and does not meet 1b. 2001:18E8:3:10AD:F000:0:0:72A ( talk) 22:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- There's nothing arbitrary about that, but a long-standing consensus in this project. See our
journal AfD archive. --
Randykitty (
talk) 22:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Very upsetting, but good to know. What warrants a ""selective"" index should be more accurately described in NJournals. 2001:18E8:3:10AD:F000:0:0:72A ( talk) 22:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- There's nothing arbitrary about that, but a long-standing consensus in this project. See our
journal AfD archive. --
Randykitty (
talk) 22:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- A selective database in the sense of NJournals would be the
Arts and Humanities Citation Index. I'm sorry, but 1b is not met. --
Randykitty (
talk) 21:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- I know, EBSCO databases are not very selective in the sense of NJournals. --
Randykitty (
talk) 22:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: TOOSOON I think. Even in ResearchGate, it barely cracks the triple digit views [2], hovering around the 1000 view mark. Oaktree b ( talk) 20:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think that a merge would be undue. In the framework of the whole university, this journal is really not important. -- Randykitty ( talk) 22:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm new to AFD discussions. And I created this entry, so I'm not sure if I'm supposed to participate in this AFD. I trust that more experienced editors will make the right call on this one, but here's why I thought the journal was notable. Criteria 3 of WP:JOURNALCRIT states that a journal should be historically important. And Criteria 1 that it should be considered influential in its subject area. JAMS, according to an academic conference on the subject of anime studies, is one of only two journals in the field. The conference even named a session after the journal, "MechaJAMS Symposium"--see the 2023 program. [3] I'll take whatever decision this process lands on in the spirit of WP:AGF. -- Jaireeodell ( talk) 02:04, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Hello,
Jaireeodell. As
Tony Wilson (played by
Steve Coogan) remarked in
24 Hour Party People - it's good that you're here. It's always good if a significant contributor to (or author of) an article participates in the process. AfD isn't so much about deletion as about where an article
might get improved to the point it may warrant inclusion. Can You provide some more references as to the significance of the journal as being one of few to handle anime and manga? Conference programme, sure, but maybe more written material? Perhaps you have access to offline sources? Cheers,
Ouro (
blah blah) 07:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- This article cites major players in the Anime, including the Anime News Network, Crunchyroll News, and Anime Expo, on top of an announcement by the National Diet Library, all discussing JAMS. If more detailed coverage is needed, this might be a TOOSOON. 2001:18E8:3:10AD:F000:0:0:72A ( talk) 23:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ Jaireeodell, I would suggest looking for GNG coverage, as NJOURNALS is an essay, not a guideline, and so is irrelevant to determining notability of this subject. JoelleJay ( talk) 09:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Hello,
Jaireeodell. As
Tony Wilson (played by
Steve Coogan) remarked in
24 Hour Party People - it's good that you're here. It's always good if a significant contributor to (or author of) an article participates in the process. AfD isn't so much about deletion as about where an article
might get improved to the point it may warrant inclusion. Can You provide some more references as to the significance of the journal as being one of few to handle anime and manga? Conference programme, sure, but maybe more written material? Perhaps you have access to offline sources? Cheers,
Ouro (
blah blah) 07:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- If you care to read all of the nom , you'll see that it also states that GNG is not met. There's no argument to keep this based on NJournals. -- Randykitty ( talk) 09:10, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:26, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- weak keep there is a decent bit of coverage, probably under the GNG bar. Sees broader coverage than most journals including at a non-academic conference. This is more of an IAR thing probably, but... I've gone back-and-forth on this a bit... Hobit ( talk) 13:46, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Draft Sourcing is very weak on this one, right at the borderline. I'd like to see this sent to draft to allow more time for the Journal to mature and get more coverage. Esw01407 ( talk) 01:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 05:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I cannot find any GNG-qualifying sources in a search, which is the only relevant actual notability guideline. I find IAR arguments entirely unconvinving; we are effectively promoting this journal by having an article on it (indeed, the journal's about page mentions that it is "indedexed" by Wikipedia, and the article has essentialy no expansion prospects as is. Besides, it's unfair to strictly enforce notability guidelines on, say, very popular we series but use an essay that has not and will not ever get widespread consensus to justify keeping article's considered more "encyclopedic" to a loud minority of the editor base Mach61 20:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Please read the nom again, there is no argument made to keep this journal article based on
WP:NJournals. In fact, it is clearly stated that this does not meet NJournals. --
Randykitty (
talk) 22:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ Randykitty, I was referring to other participants, not you Mach61 23:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Please read the nom again, there is no argument made to keep this journal article based on
WP:NJournals. In fact, it is clearly stated that this does not meet NJournals. --
Randykitty (
talk) 22:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Local university project. The article only aims to promote it. Svartner ( talk) 05:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect and merge or weak delete. Not seeing how this meets
WP:GNG or such. Not indexed in selective databases, not noticed and discussed anywhere. Would prefer redirecting it to a publisher, if one is notable and can be identified - I looked at the journal about page and couldn't find anything. The article claims
this is the founder, so it is plausible
IUPUI University Library is the publisher? Redirect and merge would be preferable to deletion. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 07:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- As noted above, although the editor works at IUPUI, the journal is published by IOPN ... a unit of the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign University Library. -- Jaireeodell ( talk) 15:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Merge /redirect as an ATD views did not seem to get much support here. Owen× ☎ 13:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Journal of Anime and Manga Studies
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- Journal of Anime and Manga Studies ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Relatively new journal, not indexed in any selective database, does not meet WP:NJournals. The current version of the article has 11 references. However, almost all are not independent, but either published by the journal itself or its publisher. One independent source is an article in The Washington Post, which is stated to have used the journal to "source" an article. This is somewhat of an exaggeration: the TWP article cites Billy Tringali, mentioning that he's the editor of the Journal of Anime and Manga Studies, so in fact this is just an in passing mention. Taken together, this article also misses WP:GNG, hence: delete. Randykitty ( talk) 13:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academic journals and Anime and manga. Randykitty ( talk) 13:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ Randykitty This journal is indexed in Art and Architecture Source.
-
[1]
https://www.ebsco.com/m/ee/Marketing/titleLists/asu-coverage.htm
2001:18E8:3:10AD:F000:0:0:72A (
talk) 19:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- I know, EBSCO databases are not very selective in the sense of NJournals. --
Randykitty (
talk) 22:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- "Selective" feels arbitrary. The "selective" journal listings recommended are social science and science indexes. This is an interdisciplinary journal focused on anime and manga, an art medium, that is indexed in an art database, meaning it meets Criteria 1:B. 2001:18E8:3:10AD:F000:0:0:72A ( talk) 21:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- A selective database in the sense of NJournals would be the
Arts and Humanities Citation Index. I'm sorry, but 1b is not met. --
Randykitty (
talk) 21:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing on the NJournals that notes that. You are making an arbitrary choice on what does and does not meet 1b. 2001:18E8:3:10AD:F000:0:0:72A ( talk) 22:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- There's nothing arbitrary about that, but a long-standing consensus in this project. See our
journal AfD archive. --
Randykitty (
talk) 22:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Very upsetting, but good to know. What warrants a ""selective"" index should be more accurately described in NJournals. 2001:18E8:3:10AD:F000:0:0:72A ( talk) 22:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- There's nothing arbitrary about that, but a long-standing consensus in this project. See our
journal AfD archive. --
Randykitty (
talk) 22:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- A selective database in the sense of NJournals would be the
Arts and Humanities Citation Index. I'm sorry, but 1b is not met. --
Randykitty (
talk) 21:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- I know, EBSCO databases are not very selective in the sense of NJournals. --
Randykitty (
talk) 22:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: TOOSOON I think. Even in ResearchGate, it barely cracks the triple digit views [2], hovering around the 1000 view mark. Oaktree b ( talk) 20:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think that a merge would be undue. In the framework of the whole university, this journal is really not important. -- Randykitty ( talk) 22:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm new to AFD discussions. And I created this entry, so I'm not sure if I'm supposed to participate in this AFD. I trust that more experienced editors will make the right call on this one, but here's why I thought the journal was notable. Criteria 3 of WP:JOURNALCRIT states that a journal should be historically important. And Criteria 1 that it should be considered influential in its subject area. JAMS, according to an academic conference on the subject of anime studies, is one of only two journals in the field. The conference even named a session after the journal, "MechaJAMS Symposium"--see the 2023 program. [3] I'll take whatever decision this process lands on in the spirit of WP:AGF. -- Jaireeodell ( talk) 02:04, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Hello,
Jaireeodell. As
Tony Wilson (played by
Steve Coogan) remarked in
24 Hour Party People - it's good that you're here. It's always good if a significant contributor to (or author of) an article participates in the process. AfD isn't so much about deletion as about where an article
might get improved to the point it may warrant inclusion. Can You provide some more references as to the significance of the journal as being one of few to handle anime and manga? Conference programme, sure, but maybe more written material? Perhaps you have access to offline sources? Cheers,
Ouro (
blah blah) 07:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- This article cites major players in the Anime, including the Anime News Network, Crunchyroll News, and Anime Expo, on top of an announcement by the National Diet Library, all discussing JAMS. If more detailed coverage is needed, this might be a TOOSOON. 2001:18E8:3:10AD:F000:0:0:72A ( talk) 23:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ Jaireeodell, I would suggest looking for GNG coverage, as NJOURNALS is an essay, not a guideline, and so is irrelevant to determining notability of this subject. JoelleJay ( talk) 09:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Hello,
Jaireeodell. As
Tony Wilson (played by
Steve Coogan) remarked in
24 Hour Party People - it's good that you're here. It's always good if a significant contributor to (or author of) an article participates in the process. AfD isn't so much about deletion as about where an article
might get improved to the point it may warrant inclusion. Can You provide some more references as to the significance of the journal as being one of few to handle anime and manga? Conference programme, sure, but maybe more written material? Perhaps you have access to offline sources? Cheers,
Ouro (
blah blah) 07:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- If you care to read all of the nom , you'll see that it also states that GNG is not met. There's no argument to keep this based on NJournals. -- Randykitty ( talk) 09:10, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:26, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- weak keep there is a decent bit of coverage, probably under the GNG bar. Sees broader coverage than most journals including at a non-academic conference. This is more of an IAR thing probably, but... I've gone back-and-forth on this a bit... Hobit ( talk) 13:46, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Draft Sourcing is very weak on this one, right at the borderline. I'd like to see this sent to draft to allow more time for the Journal to mature and get more coverage. Esw01407 ( talk) 01:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 05:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I cannot find any GNG-qualifying sources in a search, which is the only relevant actual notability guideline. I find IAR arguments entirely unconvinving; we are effectively promoting this journal by having an article on it (indeed, the journal's about page mentions that it is "indedexed" by Wikipedia, and the article has essentialy no expansion prospects as is. Besides, it's unfair to strictly enforce notability guidelines on, say, very popular we series but use an essay that has not and will not ever get widespread consensus to justify keeping article's considered more "encyclopedic" to a loud minority of the editor base Mach61 20:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Please read the nom again, there is no argument made to keep this journal article based on
WP:NJournals. In fact, it is clearly stated that this does not meet NJournals. --
Randykitty (
talk) 22:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ Randykitty, I was referring to other participants, not you Mach61 23:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Please read the nom again, there is no argument made to keep this journal article based on
WP:NJournals. In fact, it is clearly stated that this does not meet NJournals. --
Randykitty (
talk) 22:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Local university project. The article only aims to promote it. Svartner ( talk) 05:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect and merge or weak delete. Not seeing how this meets
WP:GNG or such. Not indexed in selective databases, not noticed and discussed anywhere. Would prefer redirecting it to a publisher, if one is notable and can be identified - I looked at the journal about page and couldn't find anything. The article claims
this is the founder, so it is plausible
IUPUI University Library is the publisher? Redirect and merge would be preferable to deletion. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 07:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- As noted above, although the editor works at IUPUI, the journal is published by IOPN ... a unit of the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign University Library. -- Jaireeodell ( talk) 15:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.