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This user has been adding unsourced material to an article. When reverted and asked for a source, he uses image hosting websites or otherwise unreliable sources such as blogs. The article in Mario Kart Wii. I already asked for a full protection or semi protection and have seen no results. When I sent him a reminder about reliablity on Wikipedia, he replied with yet again posting images based on picture hosting websites. I removed his 'sources' and he lashed out at me and reverted my own talk page (despite the fact I reserve the right to remove read messages).
(cur) (last) 01:01, 9 April 2008 Lbrun12415 (Talk | contribs) (970 bytes) (You wanted proof so here it is if you take this of i'll take off every thing you add vidoes are not proof so shut up) (undo)
While editing the Mario Kart article he referred to me as a moron.
This editor is rude and does not seem to care about any of Wikipedia's guidelines when it comes to reliable sources. It is my hope that I can obtain some assistance as to what to do with this editor. Is he in breach of the 3reverts rule, or any other Wikipedia editor abuse rules?
Update: I added fact tags to all of his unveriable claims. He used photobucket, blogs, fan forums, etc for his sources and reverted my edits. I once again added fact tags. --
HeaveTheClay (
talk) 01:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I've never come across an incident like this before, so i'd be appreciative of some help or guidance as to the correct course of action.
It centers around this editor, User:Arcayne. Basically, he's being very, very obstructive and abusive.
The issue is on this discussion page.
User:Arcayne made some quite serious insultinag and unhelpful responses.
The dispute began with his reversion here. I then undid his action here; to which User:Arcayne then reversed here, and made highly presumptive and condescending comments on my Talk Page, User_talk:Kapowow.
I began a discussion on the discussion page's Flags in Post-Response section to try and resolve this dispute, to which User:Arcayne replied with many obnoxious remarks here and here. The worst had to be "If you want to discuss, I am here, ready to discuss with you. If you want an argument, maybe you and the anon 75... can go off somewhere private and beat on each other. I've no time for it. And trust me, getting into an incivility contest with me is a sure way to end up weeping inconsolably in a darkened corner of your closet, so dial down the aggro a notch, okey-doke?"
which is totally unprovoked. I had clearly laid out the arguments in contention, and received a stream of abuse. I tried my utmost to keep the discussion on-track and level-headed.
Discussion with this individual seems incredibly difficult, and his overall tone is one of accusation, threat and abuse. I asked for other people to contribute to the discussion, but I feel that people are too scared by this editor's voluminous attacks to be able to participate in any meaningful debate.
I would like this issue resolved as soon as possible, as it really is just a trifling matter.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
As per the guidelines, I shall inform the editor in question of this on his user page.
Kapowow ( talk) 23:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I would agree - indeed you will find a trail of abuse and lack of good faith in his wake. Is there a formal way to make specific wiki editors aware of this process? 75.58.34.144 ( talk) 23:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- "I do not wish to be drawn into an accusatory diatribe with you, as you seem to have a very condescending agitated bee in your bonnet" 4
75.58.34.144
- inappropriate (edits which) verge on Vandalism,
- "intellectually dishonest an fraudulent"
- "pseudo sockpuppetry"
- "less than good faith here...has used the lack of citation as his basis - when he in fact personally removed those same sources. This pseudo-sockpuppetry
- obstructionism
- the same, cross-posted to another article
♠*I will simply defend myself against the false accusation of sockpuppetry by quoting you:
- Every other one of the likely socks of the anon show similarly abusive editing patterns, and all use the '♠' as an identifier. I could list the posts of all the others, but that would number close to 50 posts. At no point was I rude to any of his socks;
I not only use a distinct identifier - I have a unique voice and refer frequently to my previous writings. This is clearly NOT sockpuppetry, it is an absurd accusation.
Here then are Arcaynes Tabloid headlines and the content of those links:
Other than the film itself, which displays it prominently in the credits, here are another Sixteen Hundred mentions on Google: [2] I'm sorry that someone chose a pseudonym that upsets you, but they did. It is what it is. The entry is simply an encyclopedic reflection of the work it seeks to describe. What possible argument could you have for NOT including it? I'll suggest that your Reversions are inappropriate, the onus is now upon you to explain why deletion is necessary. Your actions are inappropriate, violate the spirit of the Revert Rule and verge on Vandalism.The inclusion of Scarlet Pimpernel was not done lightly, it was discussed at length since the inception of this article and was adopted by consensus. Your Reverts have undermined that community consensus - it is you that must show cause for exclusion.
That's just grand. You keep referring to it(Reliable Source:NRC Handelsblad) not being in the Fitna article. I believe there are three references to you making that claim. What you failed to point out is that you removed it (Reliable Source:NRC Handelsblad)from the Fitna article only to have at least two separate members replace it. Your argument relies upon your own pseudo-sockpuppetry as support for your position. Your actions in this situation are intellectually dishonest and fraudulent
I move that this be considered resolved.
- The film does credit a "Scarlet Pimpernel"
- Google shows 1600 hits discussing "Scsrlet Pimpernel's" role in Fitna [3]
- Major media has discussed it and been referenced (Reliable Source:NRC Handelsblad) in the article
- The community struggled with and adopted an existing position on this issue already. It has achieved community consensus.
- There are indications of less than good faith here, Arcayne has used the lack of citation as his basis - when he in fact personally removed (Reliable Source:NRC Handelsblad) those same sources. This pseudo-sockpuppetry.
There is no basis upon which to exclude the mention of Scarlet Pimpernel or his role from the Fitna article.00:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I would not normally disagree - however Arcayne has been very quick to edit and edit again followed by throwing up a wall of questions here, at the Scarlet Pimpernel Talk page and thirdly on your talk page. He has received lengthy responses to his query's at all three -- But has not responded anywhere yet. This appears to be obstructionism. I would suggest reverting his edit on the basis that the onus falls on him to show cause not to include mention of the Scarlet Pimpernel in this article. But, as a courtesy, wait a respectable number of hours for a response before reconsideration of applying a resolved tag.01:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
You are an excellent WikiLawyer, but there is no substance to your accusations against me. 75.58.34.144 ( talk) 04:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I guess we will know after the RFCU, won't we? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 05:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
♠I have sent out neutral notices. Your characterization of it as "special" is not an honest report. People are free, if they choose, to express themselves independently. I have simply noted that a topic of interest has been opened.
75.58.34.144 (
talk) 06:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I would not agree with the assertion of "50/50" blame by Pyrope. Pyrope states that "Your assertion that Arcayne's "okey-doke" comment was unprovoked is laughable, by the way. In the preceeding post you yourself are fairly obnoxious and use "duh" and are sarcastic throughout."
What obnoxiousness would that be? A single use of "duh"? Is that it? Compared to Arcayne's lengthily viscious assault of "you and the anon 75... can go off somewhere private and beat on each other. I've no time for it. And trust me, getting into an incivility contest with me is a sure way to end up weeping inconsolably in a darkened corner of your closet, so dial down the aggro a notch, okey-doke?"
So if I am to understand this correctly, I am free to go around Wikipedia saying that people should go and "beat on each other", which is possibly sexual or homophobic abusive language, then bait people about engaging in an "incivility contest", and warning me "If you feel I am being condescending, consider the significant restraint I am displaying in not responding in kind to some of your unpleasant characterizations of my edits" which means basically that I disagree with him.
At least Pyrope agrees that "some of those turns of phrase are beyon the pale".
As for the edit summary on my User Page? well, as far as I can make out, at WP:USER, that is my prerogative. I removed Arcayne's absurd statements on my userpage, and the reason is that I think he is a "fucking asshole", which I stated. I suppose it could be construed that I am inferring a direct insult to Arcayne, which would be frowned upon I'm sure; alas, edit summaries are unchangeable, are they not.
And if that's the worst thing I said, it looks as though Pyrope has sided with Arcayne, by appropriating a higher percentage of blame to me in relation to Arcayne; id est, imo, where I have 10% of the blame, and Arcayne has 90%, Pyrope unfairly and unduly apportions me with 50%.
Pyrope then warns me that "Do not expect sarcasm and hostility not to come right back at you", which is ludicrous, as all of Arcayne's responses had happened before the removal of his "helpful comments" on my user page. If Pyrope is using one edit summary as a reason to be hostile to me, as opposed to everything else I wrote that was neutral in tone in an actual discussion page, and not on my user page history edit summary, then that is entirely biased and seems simply a means to justify apportioning me with undue blame.
Pyrope accuses me of being "sarcastic throughout". Unfortunately, that is not the case; as a thorough (or even cursory) reading will show that I had carefully argued with sincere statements my opinion on the use of flags in an article. I had not resorted to the kind of abusive tone used by Arcayne, except in the singular use of "duh"; which, given the extreme and intense assault aimed at me from Arcayne, was a feat in itself. Anyone undergoing an attack as viscious and ill-intended as Arcayne's would be under immense pressure to remain calm. Pyrope's assertion that I have a "thin skin and a fast tongue" seems wholly unwarranted. Is Pyrope claiming that I should just "put up" with the kind of abusive language freely administered by Arcayne, without addressing the situation on this page or anywhere else? How am I at fault for Arcayn'es language? How is Arcayne's abuse aimed at me MY fault, by apparantly being "thin skinned"? Pyrope appears to be biased in favor of Arcayne.
On the actual issue being "discussed", re flagicon use, Pyrope says: "Text wikilinks are faster, smaller, more descriptive and less ambiguous than a flag, which relies on the reader being familiar with flag designs and can be easily confused by similar flags, especially in the 20px sizes used in the flagicon template. Therefore the flag images are unnecessary in text and the only remaining purpose that they serve is decorative."
OK, I would say that their use is decorative. My assertion on the Talk:Fitna_(film)#Flags_in_Post-Response_section was that they served to unclutter, seperate and distinguish the various countries' responses, and that is why their inclusion should have remained.
Pyrope says that "There is a long-standing avoidance of over-flagging articles, and using flags in main body text is a definite no-no (WP:FLAG #3 to reference your previous discussion).". This is the crux of the matter that was being "discussed". The flag use was not in the main body of text. They were in use at the start of a paragraph to demonstrate which country said what. WP:FLAG #3 states that "Flag icons should not be used in general prose in an article." They were not. Their use was similar to that of this article, which has far fewer paragraphs cluttering the layout.
The issue is one of presentation, legibility, clarity and usefulness, something that WP:FLAG clearly states, and which I had mentioned in my original discussion as:
1: The flag images were useful, as served to inform at a glance the nationality that the criticism originated from;
2: The flags were appropriate as a visual navigational aid as there are a lot of countries responses that frequently ran into one another, and citizenship, nationality or jurisdiction is intimately tied to the topic at hand;
3: The flags were not used in the general prose of the article;
5: The flags were not used as stand-ins for images of people or other article topics;
7: Flag use here is not inappropriate;
Which is NOT obnoxious in any way; compared to Arcayne's derogatory and factually incorrect "we call that prose, btw" response.
Pyrope also alleges that flagicon use "relies on the reader being familiar with flag designs and can be easily confused by similar flags", which is untrue, as the name of the country will appear alongside the flagicon, as shown in the original article [ [4]] and the [ [5]] article that also uses flagicons.
Nonetheless, I accept that my use of "duh" in my discussion was wrong. The only reason I have for it, as well as the "fucking asshole" edit summary on my user page, is like Pyrope said: "Do not expect sarcasm and hostility not to come right back at you." I would expect Arcayne to be similarly reprimanded, as it seems to me a case of unmitigated bias on the part of Pyrope. The only criticism of Arcayne was: "I agree that Arcayne has been a little patronising, but s/he was not aggressive initially", yet he was; "Arcayne's comments on your talk page are hardly "presumptive"; you yourself proclaim that you joined Wikipedia on March 7, 2008, so pointing out that you are new and so may not be fully aware of many guidelines is simply fair comment, and it was not done in a patronising way", yet it was patronising, as evidenced a couple of paragraphs below by his use of 'handing me my butt on a plate', and seems to be agreeing with Arcayne's use of abusive language; "Your assertion that Arcayne's "okey-doke" comment was unprovoked is laughable" is laughable in itself, and should properly be referred to as a sexual abuse comment; "I will fully agree that, as a relatively experienced editor Arcayne should have opened discussions earlier and moderated their tone far better" yet you mitigate that with an apparant bias in favor of Arcayne: "and some of those turns of phrase are beyon the pale... although I have written a few down for future use".
Now Arcayne, as for your "The first two (of three) remarks I made to his user talk page (after his first revert of the material) were indisputably very polite and helpful is just nonsense. How precisely is "some new editors don't even bother with that, and usually get their butts handed to them by people not willing to try and help new folk" undeniably polite?
Is he threatening me with violence? Or merely saying how he will 'demolish' me figuratively? Either way, it is aggressive and uncivil, and seems to be made with the intention of stifling debate and affirming his own superiority.
It is an insincere, sarcastic and patronising offer of help, made to prevent anyone from questioning his motives; and Pyrope's belief in its sincerity shows his bias again.
Arcayne said:
"My last comment ( 3) was prompted after his uncivil remark made in the article discussion:
- "I do not wish to be drawn into an accusatory diatribe with you, as you seem to have a very condescending agitated bee in your bonnet" 4
Kapowow's behavior deteriorated ( 5) from that moment on, and his subsequent post was littered with uncivil comments and personal attacks ( 6, []). At that point, he filed this wikiquette alert, citing personal attacks and abuse that simply do not exist."
Please list these discussion that is "littered with uncivil comments and personal attacks". I stated that I do not like you. Am I allowed to say that I don't like a user? Or must i keep up a pretence of loving unconditionally all who edit Wikipedia? Perhaps you are referring to the incorrect assertion that the EU is an NGO, with such diatribe as:
[Arcayne]: "If you consider me throwing my political science and international relations degrees at you to be derogatory, then I have to say that I am sorry you feel that way. I am not a potted plant; I know the policies of which I speak, having learned through the same trial and errors that you are undergoing right now. If you feel I am being condescending, consider the significant restraint I am displaying in not responding in kind to some of your unpleasant characterizations of my edits"
Arcayne's desire that "If you truly feel that the flag usage is appropriate, please feel free to post in the MoS discussion page at WP:FLAG" is my next port of call. However, I feel that his language and actions are indeed beyond the pale.
Also, Arcayne's retort aimed at 75.58.34.144 that "I simply take this to AN/I to have him blocked/banned" seems very vindictive, and presumptive of his own unique infallibility. Is threatening other users with being reported to an administrator a violation of wikipedia etiquette? because Arcayne has done it many times, as shown on his Special:Contributions/Arcayne page. Arcayne's latest barb, "You are going to learn - presuming you aren't banned before then - that you are not smarter or more clever than any other person here. It would be a lesson you would be better off learning rather quickly" seems once more to be a vindictive threat: shut up, do as I say, and you won't get reported. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Kapowow ( talk) 13:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
♠It is the very essence of Arcaynes Modus Operandi. To threaten is his stock in trade. I'll guarantee I can show FIFTY recent examples of this behavior. And I'll even throw in half a dozen threats by Arcayne against administrators for good measure.
Arcayne's latest barb, "You are going to learn - presuming you aren't banned before then - that you are not smarter or more clever than any other person here. It would be a lesson you would be better off learning rather quickly" seems once more to be a vindictive threat: shut up, do as I say, and you won't get reported. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Would Arcayne have any objection to first hand reports from editors on this note? 75.57.165.180 ( talk) 14:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
♠Actually, I wonder if I could find one for each hour of record...
Consider my short note of enquiry far better than say, a complaint filed at an admin board. ...I will report you, out of simple protection to the community. Good day. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 13:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
75.57.165.180 ( talk) 14:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
♠I have just been forum shopped by user Arcayne. He has Formally accused me of the following:
- C Ongoing, serious pattern vandalism involving dozens of incidents
- E 3RR violation using socks
The link may be found here: [6]
There is not a single 3RR - This all occurred in a Semi-protected article! As a public editor I made no reverts during the period it was locked. No evidence in the form of Diffs has been presented at all. And there is NOT a SINGLE case of Vandalism!
Amazingly this appears to be made up completely. I'll suggest here that something unusual is occurring and I am not comfortable. 75.57.165.180 ( talk) 15:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry you feel that way Kapowow. I can to this dispute as an impartial, disinterested editor. I said it as I saw. There was nothing in Arcayne's first post, or the posts on your talk page, that was at all derogatory. Cheeky, maybe, but you must always assume good faith. Arcayne's posts were perhaps a touch condescending, but this is a very different thing to a personal attack or even a derogatory comment. You also seem to be reading far too much into many of Arcayne's comments ("beat on each other" is a very different phrase to "beat each other off", which is what I think you read it as) and where they say that many new editors launch into attacks only to have "their butts handed to them" is directly third-person, and was actually explicitly referring to people other than you. Arcayne was complimenting you on your own attitude. Ironic. Aside from reading threats of physical attack or "homophobic" comments into virtually everything Arcayne wrote, no matter how unsubstantiated, you seem to be incapable of seeing just how offensive and aggressive your own tone and turn of phrase are. This is what I meant by "thin skin and a fast tongue". Please note that I am only referring here to the early days of this dispute, not the personal war that has developed between you. Finally, and most seriously, you do not have the prerogative to call any editor "a fucking asshole" anywhere, at any time. Everything you do and say on Wikipedia is visible to the entire community, and personal abuse made on your own talk page or in edit summaries is just as serious. Now I'l say the same thing to you as I said to Arcayne: sit back and wait for the results of the checkuser request. Go away and cool off for a bit. Pyrop e 16:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a note: The "checkuser request" and direct accusation of "Ongoing, serious pattern vandalism involving dozens of incidents" and "3RR violation using socks" were against me. It was much later after this action here that Arcayne added Kapowow to his case against me. He accused me of sock puppetry, not Kapowow.
♠I think the most interesting thing about this is Arcaynes ability to tie up so many resources and manpower over something he has NEVER supported. NO diffs. Nothing. Is it not reasonable that when one accuses another of a crime - that a crime exist? Having spent numerous hours in multiple forums having to stand up and shout "It's me!" "I'm one!" while Arcayne ignores the written words on the screen is wasteful for us all. The basic right of all Wikipedians, public editor or anonymous wiki account holder is the same - a reasonable request for citation must be respected. Arcayne has failed to support his allegations of "Ongoing, serious pattern vandalism involving dozens of incidents" and "3RR violation using socks" and has abused the system in an attempt to harass and ban a public editor.
Pyrope, I too am sorry that you feel that way. I simply must call into question your impartiality, as evidenced on User_talk:Arcayne#Wikiquette. As I read it, the phrase "beat on each other" clearly means to masturbate one's penis on each other, and is highly offensive.
Regarding Arcayne's use of "their butts handed to them", that was with regard to Arcayne suggesting that many new users do not cite WP guidelines, not, as you assert, to inform new editors about "launching into attacks".
Every claim has been substantiated by me. Everything is out in the open for all to see. I question your ability to remain neutral when attempting to mediate, as none of Arcayne's defenses or otherwise have any credibility or evidence whatsoever.
I am unable to see any offensive or aggressive tone, as there is none. Discussing with Arcayne was impossible. Simply impossible. An utter refusal to act with cordiality or conviviality was my sole reason for making this complaint; not a "personal war". I freely admit that I am new to Wikipedia; and as such, I was hugely shocked and stunned by the apparant free-reign this particular editor had at stifling debate. If this level of abuse is routinely sanctioned and condoned, Wikipedia is not the place I thought it was: a place where genuine discussion can be had, in order to produce articles of worth and merit.
I have realised the improperness of calling someone a pejorative insult as a reason for an edit change. Although it may be true, it is not polite or acceptable to have such remarks on any part of Wikipedia.
May I respectfully remind people that if new users are treated with such disdain and inequity, pretty soon there won't be any new users.
After I nominated an image for speedy deletion based on an obviously invalid copyright claim, Weareallone ( talk · contribs) left the following comments [7] [8] about me on image uploader's page. I found the comments to be accusatory and uncivil, and I think they were clearly meant to prejudice others against me. (The image in question was deleted and the uploading user banned as a sockpuppet, incidentally.)
I warned Weareallone to stop making such comments before bringing it here, but noticed that one of the comments was repeated on their talk page. I asked them to remove the comments, but instead of doing so they have cut and pasted sections of WP:NPA and repeated their assertion that I am Wikistalking them, both in the text and the edit comment. See their recent edit history for another (abeit coded) message about me.
Fair warning to anyone getting involved: Weareallone and I have an existing conflict which stems from my AfD nomination of their biography and subsequent sockpuppetry case. Weareallone has previously made statements about me on their our respective talk pages, but I find the recent comments to other users completely unacceptable. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 13:45, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Restawhile ( talk) 01:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)restawhile
User:Asrghasrhiojadrhr simply created two article
By coping two of my draft versions:
And:
I think this is a completely onaccaptable violation of the Wikipedia code because these drafts were in my userspace. Now I allready referted these actions. But could somebody take a look at this, and give me some feed back. -- Mdd ( talk) 11:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I seem to be having a bit of an issue with this gentleman regarding his use of edit summaries. I do a lot of NPP and I do a lot of deletion tagging and redirecting whenever possible. His interests included heavy metal music; a redirected substub at Years in Waste was reverted by him several hours later with a rather nasty note in the edit summary. The user had created a number of similar substubs and I followed procedure on that individual's talk page advising him about creating too-short articles, notice removals, etc. I left polite word on his talk page asking him not to use the edit summaries as such and he fired back with another nasty response. Another polite response on my part led to yet an even nastier, more sarcastic response on his. I don't mind if someone disagrees with an edit I make and I don't mind being corrected for mistakes, but this is just wrong. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 15:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The "Ottoman Flag" and "Republic of Turkey Flag" has been a long in dispute in wikipedia. Many authors have speculated on the issue. These unique states share the same symbols, and Republic of Turkey is a successor state of Ottoman Empire. However "Republic of Turkey" is a unique state and in 1936 standardized its flag, which made these two flags different. User:Res Gestæ Divi Augusti is from a perspective that claims in his words "I'm proud of my heritage" and try to make the point that Ottoman Empire and Republic Turkey have the same flag. Thus they are same states. In doing so User:Res Gestæ Divi Augusti copies "Republic of Turkey"'s flag under different names and claims it is Ottoman Flag. The pictures of the period clearly disproves this point (he also brings pictures that disproves his own point). The argument is brought forward to the Wikipedia:Third opinion. this is the link. The talk page extensively broughts the positions forward. these are the discussions I informed the user not to involve "edit wars" before the dispute resolved. this is the link. He personally attacked me claiming "I'm a shame." this is the link He does not wait to resolve the issue and continue to change the article, with adding insulting edit summaries on my English level. [9]. (1) A quick look at his edit history and his communication show that he is not acting Civil. (2) I don't mind if someone disagrees my position, but he is not coherent (claims flags are different than says the original is "paçavra") and constructive (he thinks we are idiot not to recognize that his proposal flag is the copy of "Republic of Turkey" flag) (3) The problem is very methodological. There is a law which defines exact shape and color of the Republic of Turkey flag. There are "original pictures which are not paint brushed" that shows Ottoman flag. Instead of "Truthfully creating the history" He creates a fictional history (name a copy the Turkish flag as Ottoman). When people reacts (such as me) disagrees because we can look at the pictures and recognize the difference, he insults and tries to create conspiracy theories. I 'm asking this person to be reminded to act [WP:Civil]. I'm asking this person to stop insulting me with values (love of my nation) which I surely prove this with my life and only communicate if he has anything to add regarding the issue, but not his political agenda. -- Kemalist ( talk) 16:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Pertaining to Chicago Cubs as well as my talk page. Edit-warring, adding peacock words, not maintaining POV, as well as personal attacks. Generally not adhering to any Wiki policies. Examples: [10], [11], [12]. My only goal is for him to learn civility, and general Wiki technique for sourcing and keeping POV out of articles. Tool2Die4 ( talk) 18:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
For the last two years I've been responsible for systematically improving many snake articles. I started out in the Viperidae section, but later went on to work on other snake families, such as the Pythonidae. I've not had all that much help doing this, so I've mostly been operating on my own. As a result, a few of my methods are a little off-beat, but on the whole the results have met with approval. I like to pay particular attention to taxonomy, article consistency and references.
The last few months I've tried to spend a little less time editing WP, usually limiting myself to removing vandalism and correcting mistakes. My edits to the Antaresia and Antaresia childreni articles were nothing out of the ordinary and I even took the trouble to explain to the user, Cygnis insignis, the issues involved. I've done this many times before. Unfortunately, he just didn't agree and insisted that his edits be restored. When I tried to explain further he became even more defensive and eventually uncivil. I discussed the situation with an admin I know, Accounting4Taste, decided to ignore Cygnis insignis for a while, staying away from the articles at issue, giving him a chance to cool off.
Unfortunately, that's proving impossible: I suspect he's been watching what I've been doing and is determined to make life difficult for me. For example, check of the edit histories for Vipera berus, Morelia spilota variegata and Python reticulatus. Most recently, he left this warning on my talk page. I considered Accounting4Taste's advice to ask for a Third opinion, but this is a conflict that involves more than one article. It looks much more like a personal attack, which is a first for me. Therefore, I'm hoping that this avenue is the correct choice. If not, perhaps someone can inform me of a better one. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, -- Jwinius ( talk) 13:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
(I think) -- Jwinius ( talk) 19:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I've been around for a while, mostly as a reader, occasionally contributing through my IP address. I saw a couple of (badly written) pages about Nick Savoy and Lovesystems. I decided I wanted to contribute more and spent a whole morning researching and revising both articles. I was immediately slapped with Rhaworth making comments that I felt were sarcastic and abusive, and included repeated unfounded allegations that I was alternately a sock puppet of a half-dozen other people, afiliated with various companies, etc.
I want to contribute. I have tried several times on his talk page to work constructively with him. I don't want to be blocked from wikipedia like he threatens (he hasn't threatened me with this, but I see other comments on his page where other people are upset at the same sort of treatment and got such threats). I hope that I can't be blocked for writing this - if I can, could whoeever reads this please delete it (or alert me so I can) so I can delete this before he reads it and bans me?
We were all new once. I'm trying hard to learn all the rules and procedures. I'd love a helping hand here. Camera123456 ( talk) 21:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
THis user has been posting very rude statements and argmemnts full of insults on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ayn_Rand. I'll put a warning on his/her talk page Ethan a dawe ( talk) 18:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Kudos on being a rush/ayn rand fan. anthem? :P Ironholds ( talk) 19:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
This user continues to attack and harass me. His behavior isn't limited to just my talk page, or his. His edit summaries as well have been abusive and rude. He's even gone as far as changing my comments (that are on his talk page) to make me look stupid. RobJ1981 ( talk) 20:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
While I am guilty of losing my cool, I am not the problem editor here. Please allow me to showcase the type of editing that RobJ1981 displays. Most of this activity is from this year alone. What made me lose my cool on this editor is when he reverted a good faith edit of mine without reason, most likely just because my name was attached and failed to acknowledge any wrong doing. [22]. All of this stemmed from his continual tenditiousness of the article Smackdown vs Raw 2008.
If you look at the talk pages, you can see that the majority of editors have made a case for making the roster of the game a list. [23], [24], [25], [26] Rob has reverted many users who have re-added the list no less than 14 times. [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40]
Looking through the talk pages you will see the following:
Users who have asked for this section to be a list or table:
User:RobJ1981,
User:Ladder4321,
User:WWEBoffin0101,
User:220.235.118.203,
User:Govvy,
User:Greyglue,
User:InfoLove,
User:Welshy1791,
User:Masterofdestiny,
User:AD_Double_J,
User:69.207.161.152,
User:Credema,
User:75.117.53.19,
User:Technogreek43,
User:ArcAngel,
User:Truco9311 ,
User:DonJuan.EXE,
User:Dlae,
User:Kaizer13,
User:Maestro25,
User:165.21.154.110,
User:Fhassan,
User:Nifboy,
User:Amamamp,
User:McJeff,
User:Angrymansr
Against a list/table User:Jtalledo, User:Krator, User:RobJ1981, User:Truco9311, User:3bulletproof16, User:Guyinblack25
Rob has been reverting anyone who makes the roster a list or table, though there is very little support for the roster to be prose. If that wasn't bad enough, while this debate was going on he started converting the other wrestling games rosters to prose.
Now that you have our history, let's look at how he treats other people.
Calling people hypocrites
[41]
[42]
[43]
Accusing others of being revert patrole [44] [45] [46]
Dressing other down [47] [48] [49]
Accusing other people of stalking [50] [51] [52] [53] [54]
Abusive edit summaries [55] [56]
Assuming bad faith [57] [58] [59] [60]
Telling people to "go elsewhere" [61] [62] [63] [64] [65] [66] [67] [68]
Accusing others of WP:OWN [69] [70] [71] [72] [73] [74]
Reporting to administrator noticeboard without notifying editor [79] [80] [81]
Accusing me of harrasment by informing him that I will notify administrators of his behavior [82]
Accusing others of forum shopping with no evidence [83] [84]
Requesting protection due to edit warring while being the major edit warrer, then failing to discuss issue during protection [85]
Accussing of purposely breaking policy [86] [87] [88] [89] [90]
Reverting without reason [91] [92] [93] [94] [95] [96] [97] [98] [99]
Making major changes to article without consensus [100] [101] [102]
Accusing others of vandalism when it appears to be good faith editing [103] [104] [105] [106] [107]
General incivility [108] [109]
Accusing others of sockpuppetry [110]
Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts/archive42#User:RobJ1981.2C_continual_tenditiousness. Angrymansr ( talk) 23:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
This user has been edit warring in the Developed country article, completely blind to the fact that his opinion doesn't take presicence over verifiable, sourced content. He seems to be offended by the fact that Turkey is listed as developing. But what pushed me to report him was this comment in discussion, after I had tried my best to explain things to him. "The only sector in which the ex-Soviet countries outperform Turkey is the prostitution sector"
Is that really necessary? I looked at his talk page and noticed he's been blocked multiple times for edit warring, having come off a week long ban just recently. He also seems to have a very bad attitude and seems to do nothing but push his POV about Turkey not being a developed country. Sbw01f ( talk) 17:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
He is right, I am wrong. Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Moldova are countries in transition, while Turkey is less developed. I give up, and I don't care. So be it. Res Gestæ Divi Augusti ( talk) 18:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
This IP is very active in DYK suggestions, and often suggests alternatives which are sometimes incorrect. In this instance, he said "there is no need to remind people how dumb that guy is..." refering to my suggestion for DYK. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 00:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I am filing a complaint against User:Adamfinmo for two counts: (1) His seemingly strange behavior with the article I created on the British artist Richard Sumner -- I have tried repeatedly to work with him to Wikify the article, only to have him twice attempt to get it deleted for no very good reason, and (2) His actions on List of unusual deaths, which he appears to be running as if it is his private domain. I've tried working with him privately, but it has come to naught. I appreciate unbiased mediation on this. Thank you. Ecoleetage ( talk) 04:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This matter was resolved between myself and the other party. Ecoleetage ( talk) 05:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I have tried to engage this user several times in a calm and good manner. I have been personally attacked by this user several times. I am at my wits end. I tried to nominate a couple of articles for deletion and this user has taken the opportunity to slam me and challenge my motives. Our dispute is currently active in the following locations. User talk:Adamfinmo User talk:Ecoleetage The talk page of Richard Sumner and the WP:Afd of Richard Sumner and Carl McCunn
Here are some diffs
Refers to me as capricious and overzealous:
[111]
Does it again
[112]
Questions my motives
[113]
Questions my health
[114]
Refers to my edits as "offensive"
[115]
Places false vandal warning on my talk page
[116]
Says my edits are "angry"
[117]
Please, someone help me. If I am in the wrong here someone tell me!-- Adamfinmo ( talk) 04:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I (and I imagine at least one other user, User:Philip Stevens) would appreciate some assistance with this user with regard to the following pages and and their recent histories (i.e. the past few days):
I hope the problem is readily apparent, but if any elaboration is needed, I can try to write something here. Sardanaphalus ( talk) 16:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I thank Sardanaphalus for notifying me of this discussion. Electrobe seems to be having some difficulties with some of our core policies and I am watching his edits, having formally warned him about his behaviour.
Having said that, I caution all users to beware of WP:3RR and encourage reports of breaches of this policy to the appropriate forum. I also encourage everyone to stay as calm as possible, even when provoked. Breaches of civility or attack are not excused by other people behaving badly too. -- Dweller ( talk) 11:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
User:Twaz has been uncooperative with regards to a dispute on censorship on the articles Who the Fuck Is Jackson Pollock? and Brian Cowen, PRODding the first article ( diff) and reverting a good faith edit as vandalism on the second due to an anonymous IP that added a well-cited, yet vulgar nickname. In the case of Brian Cowen, Twaz warned the anonymous IP up to final warning ( diff) even as the user was trying to discuss the changes ( diff). In both cases, Taz continued to blank his talk page of notices ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (including a threat to send this to ARBCOM), 6, and 7), which was not conducive for a proper discussion. He also made various uncivil comments to my talk page and to The359's talk page. — scetoaux ( T| C) 21:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed something while checking through Twaz's contributions. Seicer, an admin, left him a message ( diff) on Twaz's talk page warning him of incivility. Twaz removed ( diff) the message from his talk page later on. I do realize that a user can remove information from his or her own talk page, but in light of his blanking of this WQA, among other things, I feel that this is more an incivil way of avoiding any form of discussion. I am tempted to pursue an RfC, as the user has clearly indicated they will not attempt to come to a resolution. — scetoaux ( T| C) 19:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
(Disclaimer: I am Twaz's adopter.) I have been looking through some of the events listed here, and have formed a few conclusions, which I offer in the hope that they will help everyone involved climb down and work together.
I believe everyone here is acting in good faith, and I urge everyone to work harder at understanding each other's points of view. Let's offer apologies for any offence caused, and forgive any offence taken. Bovlb ( talk) 07:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
So, any objection to calling this resolved? Bovlb ( talk) 16:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
User:Life.temp an WP:SPA editor edit history has been identified by me and other editors as a POV editor who is a SSP case 1 case 2 due to his editng on anti-Americanism please refer to the article Talk:anti-Americanism for reference of the behavior. The editor was adviced by me to get familiar with WP:EQ here but instead following my advice he PA me here because I reverted his edit here which was reverted by an established eitor of the article just before me here I followed the consensus of the editors of the article, reverting the unsourced POV. I origionally sourced the lead here before reverting him for the second time. The editor disapproves of me checking his edits, because he thinks I am targetting him, which I am not. I am following the WP:EQ process of engaging an editor to prevent systematic bias of POV editng, which has been identified by his 's history. What really conserns me are not his edits so much, because each POV can be dealt with in accordance by the editors envolved at the article talk page, but his style of editng which is disruptive. It is disruptive because it does not follow the Wikipedia etiquettes of building consesus. The editor believes he is right and others are wrong. He makes it very clear every time by edit warring with other editors to WP:point. Recently it has become a bit more tolerable because he is venting his anger at me not at other editors. Still some of his edit recommenditions have merit when undesrstood, but it requires a lot of energy and attention of many editors. He is very incistent that every point he brings up is addressed and debated here. Wikipedia is not a batleground or a place for a debate as advices in Wikipedia:NOT. I am following the advice of Meatballwiki which recommends to bring a problamatic editor's behavior to the attention of the community and not make I against him, or a few against him, but Wikipedia addressing the editor's problematic editing style. I am not asking for the editor to be blocked, because we should not be chasing away editors but helping editors adjust to Wikipedia community. Also as per SSP, he will just come back again and again if he is blocked. And he really seems interesting in contributing to Wikipedia. To bring this to WP:RFC/U is still to early. To bring it to WP:ANI is too dramatic and not really necessary because there is no imminent threat to Wikipedia that requers an administrative intervention to pervent disruption of the project. So this is why I am at WP:Wikiquette alerts. I do not recommend putting a notice or a template on his page because he will feel it is a personal attack and remove it as he has done my SSP alert here But if an editor he believes they should please do. While I was typing this he has filed an ANI report about me here So I am asking a confident editor to examine this case and make appropritate recommendations with respect as to how things should be addressed. Please consider WP:The gray zone when examining this issue. Please comment on my User talk:Igorberger Thank you, Igor Berger ( talk) 12:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I saw a handful of edits by OrangeMarlin while I was temporarily involved with the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed He appeared to be making threats, telling other editors he hoped they were blocked, and generally just not being very friendly, so I went to his talk page and saw many other comments which caused me concern, so I left him a message. I was informed that linking people to WP:CIV is considered a bit rude, something I'm slightly confused about, and while I'm here would appreciate someone recommending what I should do instead if another similar set of circumstances arises. After a short discussion, in which I tried to be as polite as possible, he archived the discussion as a 'personal attack'. You can get a fairly straightforward idea of what happened here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Orangemarlin&curid=13677690&diff=205429898&oldid=205429428
I have not been in contact with OrangeMarlin for at all long, but discussion with him on his talk page obviously isn't possible with the archiving. Any help appreciated. Restepc ( talk) 23:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
(undent), I wasn't happy with calling me a troll either, and I don't see how the GSTS argument should have affected OMs behaviour on the expelled article, and I saw other things on the talk page....but I guess those could also be very recent, I didn't check the dates. I'm not entirely convinced this is just a one off thing caused by some troll, but I'll let it be for a couple of weeks and see what happens, thanks a lot for the (very) quick response....I'd still like to know what to do in these situations other than link to WP:CIV though.... Restepc ( talk) 23:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
←Marking as resolved (as best as it's going to be anyway). -- Bfigura ( talk) 22:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This editor seems to be having a bad day: he called me a moron after a perfectly reasonable request from me to help expand an article. [118] [119] After I complained [120] [121], he followed it up saying I have his contempt. DrKiernan ( talk) 11:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Not 100% sure this is the correct place but, the above user has committed an abuse of WP:Civil on another user's talk page. I went to his ( User:Kurtlockwood's)talk page to place a gentle warning and found the page protected so, am bringing it here. Thank you Jasynnash2 ( talk) 12:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Harassment and vandalism on Melody Amber. User is of the conviction that every mention of my name should be eliminated from the internet and does not care about guidelines. I could use some help, not sure where to go with this. Spillover from nl:Wikipedia where user and user:JacobH have been stalking me for over six months, risk of further escalation if more troops are called in. Guido den Broeder ( talk) 22:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Please take it to the reliable sources noticeboard or the conflict of interest noticeboard. Either would probably be a more appropriate venue. -- Bfigura ( talk) 22:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I have never once made any comments about the notability of the subject of this article. I don't know if Susan Hurley is an outstanding composer, I don't know if she's well-known and notable. My sole concerns in this article have been to its format. The original version was written in sentence fragments, like a resume, and did not meet Wikipedia's style format. In addition, it was originally created at Susan Hurley American Composer, and I moved it to Susan Hurley (composer), and added formatting tags on the article, including cleanup-rewrite. Robert.chave saw fit to move it to Susan Hurley composer, and stripped off the tags, although he did add more sources. I moved it back to Susan Hurley (composer), the standard naming convention, and re-added the cleanup-rewrite tag, as it still looks like a resume. I also removed the following meaningless jargon paragraph:
Robert.chave has seen fit to revert the paragraph twice now, and has sent me incivil comments on my Talk page such as [122] and [123]. I have tried to remain civil, and have repeatedly tried to explain to him my objections, but he has responded by reverting my edits and harrassing me on my Talk page. Corvus cornix talk 23:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi Corvus and Bfigura, The sequences which I restored, I subsequently modified. These were restorations with modification. There were changes made to improve the readability of the article. This can easily be checked. Corvus when you referred to what I wrote as the the worst kind of "twaddle" this is not really a constructive criticism. So it is difficult to discern, when receiving this kind of remark, what you intended by it. Regards, Robert Chave ( talk) 23:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarity of this remark. I will find some sources and quote them. They will probably be print based. Robert Chave ( talk) 00:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Notability: Hi Corvis, You write up above that you never said one word about notability, yet this was one of your primary complaints. Please see the following written by you: 23:03, 12 April 2008 Corvus cornix (Talk | contribs) (2,360 bytes) ({{cleanup-rewrite}}{{onesource}}{{notable}}) (undo) Best Robert Chave ( talk) 00:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I have been accused by this user of almost making him lose his work on
Executive Magistrates of the Roman Republic because I made a routine edit at the same time that he was trying to make an edit. Please see
[124]. As far as I'm aware, there is really no way that this could have been prevented. I left what I thought was a polite note asking him if there was any way that the situation could have been avoided, but instead of responding politely, he deleted my note from his talk page:
[125]. I would appreciate any comments on the situation. Thanks.
Paradoxsociety (
talk) 01:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Additional links:
edit that I made, mostly an autoformat using
wikEd
edit that the user in question was trying to make while I made my edit
Paradoxsociety ( talk) 01:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Every since he has had a problem with me here: List of characters in Bully, he has been uncivil and shown a lot of bad faith. A few recent examples: [126] (first time he blanked my comment on the talk page). I reverted it, and told him about Template:Notyours. Later, he once again blanked my comment out: [127]. Then there is this: [128], which I see also as bad faith. It should be noted I hadn't edited that Bully list page (or it's talk) for a while, so his original attack (found here: [129], wasn't necessary at all. There was no need to drag past editors into the discussion, and basically drag their name in the mud because of past disputes. Then he butted into this alert: Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#User:Angrymansr, due to past issues with me. RobJ1981 ( talk) 04:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
If everyone can find it just fine, then there's no need to notify Guyinblack. Especially when you called it Outside opinions needed (or something to that effect), and then notify someone who would not be considered an outside opinion since he was already involved in support of your POV. The right thing to do is notify everyone via the SvR talk page so that everyone can view and participate. Not everyone is a member and/or views that PW project talk page regularly. I wouldn't have known about it if I wasn't notified, so that assessment is incorrect. It's just common courtesy, much like letting people know when you report them to admins or nominate their articles for deletion. Doing so will only make you look better in the eyes of the community. Angrymansr ( talk) 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Offensive, swearing, use of f- word. [153] Please advise this guy on WP:Civil and WP:NPA. Thanks. Xenovatis ( talk) 12:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
This user seems to be very partial to POV-pushing [154] [155], does not assume good faith when his opinion is challenged [156], seems to have a great dislike of policy here and ignores them consistently when another editor has mentioned them. Has been disrespectful to other "senior" members in the past [157] [158] usually as a result of the reminder of these policies when they fall foul of them and also has a habit of deleting any user warnings given to them [159] [160] [161] [162] [163]. -- treelo talk 17:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Comment "Your IP address(es) are available already, and someone like me can find out things like where you live, who your service provider is, etc.." caused concern to editor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.4.222 ( talk) 18:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I have consistently maintained Gene Loves Jezebel and Michael Aston pages and I believe I have kept them fair and balanced. User 98.220.43.195 has consistently changed the article quoting one magazine article that is very one-sided and biased, along with making constant personal attacks against me. I have tried simply sticking with the facts of the situation, but he/she doesn't seem willing to. I was able to find two separate articles that were completely contradictory to the magazine article that 98.220.43.195 has quoted. I am trying to maintain the page, but he/she keeps undoing my edits and listing personal reasons, not factual ones. -- Ghost ( talk) 21:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I would respond that this all began because I, along with other editors, have been striving to make the Gene Loves Jezebel article more fair and balanced. GhostAston has what appears to be a bias against one of the people in the article, Jay Aston (I provided proof of such from his own website) and I have witnessed him continuously editing the page to slant it in favor of someone else in the article, Michael Aston. He has even taken to removing FACTS from the page, such as the FACT that when Michael Aston left in 1988, Jay became the main songwriter. This situation all began, in addition, because he continuously refused to allow reference to the existence of an alternate version of Gene Loves Jezebel fronted by Jay Aston. Bizarrely, whenever someone would insert mention of the existence of this very real band, he would revert it and label it as vandalism! I believe his removal of FACTS, among other things, are being done solely to harrass me. I apologize if some of my comments have been harsh, but GhostAston's actions have greatly frustrated me and other fans of the band. By the way, I have removed the offending comment from GhostAston's talk page that led him to file this alert in the first place. I will endeavor to be more civil; at the same time, I and others are tired of his harrassment and continued attempts to make this a one-sided, biased article. 98.220.43.195 ( talk) 21:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
User:Geogre wrote the following on my talk page: this. He did not add anything to a page. The page in question was just begun. Instead, he criticizes my writing style. His purpose on my talk page is to do nothing but to be incivil. Wikipedia is about praise and helping, not actions like this. Ottava Rima ( talk) 14:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
This user is in the middle of an argument over the EyeOS article. Before the page was protected, this user consistently reverted my contributions, even though I provided valid references. I'm trying to get on the topic of the article itself in Talk:EyeOS, and I'm asking him for a valid reason why he's doing it, but he refuses to discuss it, and instead attacks me. Psychcf ( talk) 19:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Comment from an outsider: teddys behaviour may or may not be helpful, but if you (Psychcf) are running a competitor website, then you have a clear conflict of interest and should avoid editing the article, even if your edits are entirely in good faith Restepc ( talk) 20:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
The article of the eyeOS project was semi-protected because a discussion with User:Psychcf, who wants to put his opinion on the article. Later, he admits in the talk page that he is a project developer of http://www.psychdesktop.net/, a project competition of eyeOS. A conflict of interests is clear here. Some days later, after a long discussion, he accepts to change his behavior, and some hours laters, another employer of http://www.psychdesktop.net/, [[User:Jaymacdonald] joins to the discussion, saying absolutely the same as Psychcf. We have a clear situation where some people are trying to give bad reputation to his competition through wikipedia, adding his own opinion to the article, and some critcism without references. The article will be unpprotected tomorrow, and they are talking about continue with his behavior, in the talk page. I think that is not allowed to edit wikipedia articles about projects/things where you are involved/are your competition/you have some personal interest Teddybearnow ( talk) 20:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd appreciate some friendly advice to users
explaining that en:Wikipedia is not an alternative platform to continue discussions relating to events on nl:Wikipedia. Guido den Broeder ( talk) 08:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Upgrading request to more than friendly, where necessary. Guido den Broeder ( talk) 09:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
(undent) It seems that this is a spill over from nl.wp of a dispute (or series of disputes) between you and this "mob", and therefore NOT mentioning what's happened on nl.wiki isn't likely to be an achievable aim, especially as it appears that one side or the other is point blank lying about a nl.wp arbcom decision. This appears to go way beyond the scope of Wikiquette, and I'm not sure I can help. Restepc ( talk) 13:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Could you please explain, Guido, how what I said to you is a violation of Wikiquette? Also, just for the record, I was not and am not involved in this dispute over at the Dutch Wikipedia, nor will I become involved there. See nl:Speciaal:Bijdragen/Aecis and nl:Speciaal:Bijdragen/82.73.153.49 (my IP). I am aware that there is a dispute over there, yes, but that doesn't make me involved in it. A ecis Brievenbus 13:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe this user needs some serious handholding by editors/admins experienced with helping newbies (a task I am poorly qualified for as I am still learning and making mistakes myself). Dawoodabro has created many articles (see contrib list here [202]) related to Pakistan tribal structure and history which could potentially be very encyclopedic. However, many of these articles violate various WP policies including WP:V, WP:RS, WP:OR and in some cases possibly WP:BLP (when discussing current tribal chiefs by name). I do believe the user's intentions are good faith, as are those of other users who are helping to edit the pages, but there are problems that need to be addressed quickly as the user has recently created a large number of new articles which are sure to end up in the CSD bin.
I would also suggest that the information this user is providing, while crude stubs for the moment, might be worthy of protection/defense from SD nominations as I believe it has real WP:POTENTIAL for development by anthropological and sociopolitical scholars who would have verifiable resources to confirm much of the data. I would be very reluctant to scare off the user and lose the encyclopedic information he/she is trying to contribute -- provided he/she is willing to be educated in the ways of WP. -- Low Sea ( talk) 11:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I have repeatedly removed a "cabal" listing from Wikipedia:List of cabals, but User:Allstarecho continues to add it back, telling me I need to " grow up", and accusing me of stalking. This user has been uncivil about this and refuses to actually discuss, instead, preferring to insults. This stems out of a MfD that resulted in a template of his being deleted as an attack template, him re-writing it, me submitting the re-write for deletion because I wasn't quite comfortable with the re-write and wanting other opinions, which I got and withdrew my nomination. Because of this, he has resorted to declaring that I am stalking him and placing this indirect attack on this page.
I am aware of the big purple box at the top regarding the intended humor of the topic, and that there are bigger things to worry about. However, when one user is the sole subject of the humor, it ceases to be humor and becomes an attack. If I'm wrong in placing this here, that's fine, but this user has a history of incivility and being blocked for it. I don't want him blocked, I just want this attack against me to stay removed. Justinm1978 ( talk) 15:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
(undent)I think you need to calm down Justin. You came here for help for a user being uncivil towards you. Going on like you are, yourself acting uncivil is certainly not going to help. Grsz 11 03:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
When editing the Beyonce page about her personal life and marriage to Jay-Z I am consistently being bullied by a user named Efe and someone named Dan Bard. By adding information about her personal life including her marriage it was edited multiple times daily and I was told to stop " vandalizing" her page. How is that vandalism. Just because the information was not relavant to them it is now vandalism? They are getting their information from the same media and internet sources that I am citing but oh because they have not personally confirmed the marriage these two people spend their time taking the information down twice a day. I should start removing their contributions.
Hi, recently I was communicating with admin Ricky81682 ( talk · contribs). I am dissatisfied with several of his comments and actions. First, I'd like to cite the following to illustrate what I expect from admins:
“ | Administrators, like all users, are not perfect beings. However in general they are expected to act as role models within the community, and a good general standard of civility, fairness, and general conduct both to users and in content matters, is expected. When acting as administrators, they are also expected to be fair, exercise good judgment, and give explanations and be communicative as necessary. ( source) | ” |
My main problem with him is that he does not sufficiently explain his statements and actions. What do I mean by sufficiently? Claiming that someone is uncivil is not sufficient enough, because the word
uncivil has no real meaning without explanation. For a series of unanswered questions, see
this group after he blocked me.
I could still ignore that but then he made this comment (again without explanation, nor evidence):
"
I'd suggest a block because I frankly have yet to see a lot of anything other than POV pushing from him."
The statement seemed so ridiculous to me that
I
asked
several
times whether it was aimed at me. Since he said he'd ignore my questions, I've concluded that it was.
I'd like Ricky to explain what he meant by POV-pushing and list such examples. I take this allegation seriously because I always try to adhere to neutral point of view (that is the one supported by reliable evidence). This can be easily illustrated by the many {{fact}}, {{unreferenced}}, {{refimprove}} and other tags I inserted into articles. It can be also illustrated by the tens of articles I created or significantly improved and hundreds of references I added (examples of references:
[203],
[204],
[205]).
Rickly claims he explained his actions, but I think this can be a semantics problem.
For example, he stated that I
called people nationalists in a particular comment. However, it is quite clear that I didn't label anybody a nationalist in that
comment. I am aware that I once said that an
editor's actions are based on nationalism. In other examples, I talked about nationalism in general. When I asked Ricky to clarify this, he changed his rhetoric to "
a rant about nationalists" First, I was answering a question so how that makes the answer a rant I don't know. Second, even if it was a rant, how does that warrant a block? Moreover, he said that I want on "complaining about '
they are two and I am only one'" I said that: "That they are two and use it as an advantage is a fact for me. If you have a problem with that, try to explain why. Also, that was a general point about how Wikipedia works." I still support this statement and Ricky still didn't say what is inaccurate about it or why it warrants a block.
In conclusion, I know that some comments I made were inappropriate (but certainly not much different from others' involved), but the point of this alert is to see some explanations from Ricky and others' comments on the questions posted.
Therefore, if someone wants to start with off-topic discussions here, please don't. I've been thrown so many
red herrings at Wikipedia recently that I may get mercury poisoning.--
Svetovid (
talk) 11:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
(undent) For the arguments about blogs, see here for why they are generally not accepted, like you were told earlier. For the other discussions, you should know as (a) you were told by others about them and (b) you took it upon yourself to create a WP:OWN complaint against those who argued that with you. As I said before, I am not interested in playing technical games with you. Otherwise, I think that the discussion on Svetovid's talk page, this Wikiquette alert, this at WP:ANI, plus this oddity (done "like suggested") should be more than clear what this is. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 19:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
This seems to be an overflow of a complex dispute involving Hungarian and Slovakian editors and articles. FYI, I have started a centralized location for discussion of these disputes and editors, at User:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian experiment. I recommend that any other complaints about these issues be directed there. Thanks, El on ka 11:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
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This user has been adding unsourced material to an article. When reverted and asked for a source, he uses image hosting websites or otherwise unreliable sources such as blogs. The article in Mario Kart Wii. I already asked for a full protection or semi protection and have seen no results. When I sent him a reminder about reliablity on Wikipedia, he replied with yet again posting images based on picture hosting websites. I removed his 'sources' and he lashed out at me and reverted my own talk page (despite the fact I reserve the right to remove read messages).
(cur) (last) 01:01, 9 April 2008 Lbrun12415 (Talk | contribs) (970 bytes) (You wanted proof so here it is if you take this of i'll take off every thing you add vidoes are not proof so shut up) (undo)
While editing the Mario Kart article he referred to me as a moron.
This editor is rude and does not seem to care about any of Wikipedia's guidelines when it comes to reliable sources. It is my hope that I can obtain some assistance as to what to do with this editor. Is he in breach of the 3reverts rule, or any other Wikipedia editor abuse rules?
Update: I added fact tags to all of his unveriable claims. He used photobucket, blogs, fan forums, etc for his sources and reverted my edits. I once again added fact tags. --
HeaveTheClay (
talk) 01:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I've never come across an incident like this before, so i'd be appreciative of some help or guidance as to the correct course of action.
It centers around this editor, User:Arcayne. Basically, he's being very, very obstructive and abusive.
The issue is on this discussion page.
User:Arcayne made some quite serious insultinag and unhelpful responses.
The dispute began with his reversion here. I then undid his action here; to which User:Arcayne then reversed here, and made highly presumptive and condescending comments on my Talk Page, User_talk:Kapowow.
I began a discussion on the discussion page's Flags in Post-Response section to try and resolve this dispute, to which User:Arcayne replied with many obnoxious remarks here and here. The worst had to be "If you want to discuss, I am here, ready to discuss with you. If you want an argument, maybe you and the anon 75... can go off somewhere private and beat on each other. I've no time for it. And trust me, getting into an incivility contest with me is a sure way to end up weeping inconsolably in a darkened corner of your closet, so dial down the aggro a notch, okey-doke?"
which is totally unprovoked. I had clearly laid out the arguments in contention, and received a stream of abuse. I tried my utmost to keep the discussion on-track and level-headed.
Discussion with this individual seems incredibly difficult, and his overall tone is one of accusation, threat and abuse. I asked for other people to contribute to the discussion, but I feel that people are too scared by this editor's voluminous attacks to be able to participate in any meaningful debate.
I would like this issue resolved as soon as possible, as it really is just a trifling matter.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
As per the guidelines, I shall inform the editor in question of this on his user page.
Kapowow ( talk) 23:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I would agree - indeed you will find a trail of abuse and lack of good faith in his wake. Is there a formal way to make specific wiki editors aware of this process? 75.58.34.144 ( talk) 23:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- "I do not wish to be drawn into an accusatory diatribe with you, as you seem to have a very condescending agitated bee in your bonnet" 4
75.58.34.144
- inappropriate (edits which) verge on Vandalism,
- "intellectually dishonest an fraudulent"
- "pseudo sockpuppetry"
- "less than good faith here...has used the lack of citation as his basis - when he in fact personally removed those same sources. This pseudo-sockpuppetry
- obstructionism
- the same, cross-posted to another article
♠*I will simply defend myself against the false accusation of sockpuppetry by quoting you:
- Every other one of the likely socks of the anon show similarly abusive editing patterns, and all use the '♠' as an identifier. I could list the posts of all the others, but that would number close to 50 posts. At no point was I rude to any of his socks;
I not only use a distinct identifier - I have a unique voice and refer frequently to my previous writings. This is clearly NOT sockpuppetry, it is an absurd accusation.
Here then are Arcaynes Tabloid headlines and the content of those links:
Other than the film itself, which displays it prominently in the credits, here are another Sixteen Hundred mentions on Google: [2] I'm sorry that someone chose a pseudonym that upsets you, but they did. It is what it is. The entry is simply an encyclopedic reflection of the work it seeks to describe. What possible argument could you have for NOT including it? I'll suggest that your Reversions are inappropriate, the onus is now upon you to explain why deletion is necessary. Your actions are inappropriate, violate the spirit of the Revert Rule and verge on Vandalism.The inclusion of Scarlet Pimpernel was not done lightly, it was discussed at length since the inception of this article and was adopted by consensus. Your Reverts have undermined that community consensus - it is you that must show cause for exclusion.
That's just grand. You keep referring to it(Reliable Source:NRC Handelsblad) not being in the Fitna article. I believe there are three references to you making that claim. What you failed to point out is that you removed it (Reliable Source:NRC Handelsblad)from the Fitna article only to have at least two separate members replace it. Your argument relies upon your own pseudo-sockpuppetry as support for your position. Your actions in this situation are intellectually dishonest and fraudulent
I move that this be considered resolved.
- The film does credit a "Scarlet Pimpernel"
- Google shows 1600 hits discussing "Scsrlet Pimpernel's" role in Fitna [3]
- Major media has discussed it and been referenced (Reliable Source:NRC Handelsblad) in the article
- The community struggled with and adopted an existing position on this issue already. It has achieved community consensus.
- There are indications of less than good faith here, Arcayne has used the lack of citation as his basis - when he in fact personally removed (Reliable Source:NRC Handelsblad) those same sources. This pseudo-sockpuppetry.
There is no basis upon which to exclude the mention of Scarlet Pimpernel or his role from the Fitna article.00:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I would not normally disagree - however Arcayne has been very quick to edit and edit again followed by throwing up a wall of questions here, at the Scarlet Pimpernel Talk page and thirdly on your talk page. He has received lengthy responses to his query's at all three -- But has not responded anywhere yet. This appears to be obstructionism. I would suggest reverting his edit on the basis that the onus falls on him to show cause not to include mention of the Scarlet Pimpernel in this article. But, as a courtesy, wait a respectable number of hours for a response before reconsideration of applying a resolved tag.01:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
You are an excellent WikiLawyer, but there is no substance to your accusations against me. 75.58.34.144 ( talk) 04:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I guess we will know after the RFCU, won't we? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 05:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
♠I have sent out neutral notices. Your characterization of it as "special" is not an honest report. People are free, if they choose, to express themselves independently. I have simply noted that a topic of interest has been opened.
75.58.34.144 (
talk) 06:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I would not agree with the assertion of "50/50" blame by Pyrope. Pyrope states that "Your assertion that Arcayne's "okey-doke" comment was unprovoked is laughable, by the way. In the preceeding post you yourself are fairly obnoxious and use "duh" and are sarcastic throughout."
What obnoxiousness would that be? A single use of "duh"? Is that it? Compared to Arcayne's lengthily viscious assault of "you and the anon 75... can go off somewhere private and beat on each other. I've no time for it. And trust me, getting into an incivility contest with me is a sure way to end up weeping inconsolably in a darkened corner of your closet, so dial down the aggro a notch, okey-doke?"
So if I am to understand this correctly, I am free to go around Wikipedia saying that people should go and "beat on each other", which is possibly sexual or homophobic abusive language, then bait people about engaging in an "incivility contest", and warning me "If you feel I am being condescending, consider the significant restraint I am displaying in not responding in kind to some of your unpleasant characterizations of my edits" which means basically that I disagree with him.
At least Pyrope agrees that "some of those turns of phrase are beyon the pale".
As for the edit summary on my User Page? well, as far as I can make out, at WP:USER, that is my prerogative. I removed Arcayne's absurd statements on my userpage, and the reason is that I think he is a "fucking asshole", which I stated. I suppose it could be construed that I am inferring a direct insult to Arcayne, which would be frowned upon I'm sure; alas, edit summaries are unchangeable, are they not.
And if that's the worst thing I said, it looks as though Pyrope has sided with Arcayne, by appropriating a higher percentage of blame to me in relation to Arcayne; id est, imo, where I have 10% of the blame, and Arcayne has 90%, Pyrope unfairly and unduly apportions me with 50%.
Pyrope then warns me that "Do not expect sarcasm and hostility not to come right back at you", which is ludicrous, as all of Arcayne's responses had happened before the removal of his "helpful comments" on my user page. If Pyrope is using one edit summary as a reason to be hostile to me, as opposed to everything else I wrote that was neutral in tone in an actual discussion page, and not on my user page history edit summary, then that is entirely biased and seems simply a means to justify apportioning me with undue blame.
Pyrope accuses me of being "sarcastic throughout". Unfortunately, that is not the case; as a thorough (or even cursory) reading will show that I had carefully argued with sincere statements my opinion on the use of flags in an article. I had not resorted to the kind of abusive tone used by Arcayne, except in the singular use of "duh"; which, given the extreme and intense assault aimed at me from Arcayne, was a feat in itself. Anyone undergoing an attack as viscious and ill-intended as Arcayne's would be under immense pressure to remain calm. Pyrope's assertion that I have a "thin skin and a fast tongue" seems wholly unwarranted. Is Pyrope claiming that I should just "put up" with the kind of abusive language freely administered by Arcayne, without addressing the situation on this page or anywhere else? How am I at fault for Arcayn'es language? How is Arcayne's abuse aimed at me MY fault, by apparantly being "thin skinned"? Pyrope appears to be biased in favor of Arcayne.
On the actual issue being "discussed", re flagicon use, Pyrope says: "Text wikilinks are faster, smaller, more descriptive and less ambiguous than a flag, which relies on the reader being familiar with flag designs and can be easily confused by similar flags, especially in the 20px sizes used in the flagicon template. Therefore the flag images are unnecessary in text and the only remaining purpose that they serve is decorative."
OK, I would say that their use is decorative. My assertion on the Talk:Fitna_(film)#Flags_in_Post-Response_section was that they served to unclutter, seperate and distinguish the various countries' responses, and that is why their inclusion should have remained.
Pyrope says that "There is a long-standing avoidance of over-flagging articles, and using flags in main body text is a definite no-no (WP:FLAG #3 to reference your previous discussion).". This is the crux of the matter that was being "discussed". The flag use was not in the main body of text. They were in use at the start of a paragraph to demonstrate which country said what. WP:FLAG #3 states that "Flag icons should not be used in general prose in an article." They were not. Their use was similar to that of this article, which has far fewer paragraphs cluttering the layout.
The issue is one of presentation, legibility, clarity and usefulness, something that WP:FLAG clearly states, and which I had mentioned in my original discussion as:
1: The flag images were useful, as served to inform at a glance the nationality that the criticism originated from;
2: The flags were appropriate as a visual navigational aid as there are a lot of countries responses that frequently ran into one another, and citizenship, nationality or jurisdiction is intimately tied to the topic at hand;
3: The flags were not used in the general prose of the article;
5: The flags were not used as stand-ins for images of people or other article topics;
7: Flag use here is not inappropriate;
Which is NOT obnoxious in any way; compared to Arcayne's derogatory and factually incorrect "we call that prose, btw" response.
Pyrope also alleges that flagicon use "relies on the reader being familiar with flag designs and can be easily confused by similar flags", which is untrue, as the name of the country will appear alongside the flagicon, as shown in the original article [ [4]] and the [ [5]] article that also uses flagicons.
Nonetheless, I accept that my use of "duh" in my discussion was wrong. The only reason I have for it, as well as the "fucking asshole" edit summary on my user page, is like Pyrope said: "Do not expect sarcasm and hostility not to come right back at you." I would expect Arcayne to be similarly reprimanded, as it seems to me a case of unmitigated bias on the part of Pyrope. The only criticism of Arcayne was: "I agree that Arcayne has been a little patronising, but s/he was not aggressive initially", yet he was; "Arcayne's comments on your talk page are hardly "presumptive"; you yourself proclaim that you joined Wikipedia on March 7, 2008, so pointing out that you are new and so may not be fully aware of many guidelines is simply fair comment, and it was not done in a patronising way", yet it was patronising, as evidenced a couple of paragraphs below by his use of 'handing me my butt on a plate', and seems to be agreeing with Arcayne's use of abusive language; "Your assertion that Arcayne's "okey-doke" comment was unprovoked is laughable" is laughable in itself, and should properly be referred to as a sexual abuse comment; "I will fully agree that, as a relatively experienced editor Arcayne should have opened discussions earlier and moderated their tone far better" yet you mitigate that with an apparant bias in favor of Arcayne: "and some of those turns of phrase are beyon the pale... although I have written a few down for future use".
Now Arcayne, as for your "The first two (of three) remarks I made to his user talk page (after his first revert of the material) were indisputably very polite and helpful is just nonsense. How precisely is "some new editors don't even bother with that, and usually get their butts handed to them by people not willing to try and help new folk" undeniably polite?
Is he threatening me with violence? Or merely saying how he will 'demolish' me figuratively? Either way, it is aggressive and uncivil, and seems to be made with the intention of stifling debate and affirming his own superiority.
It is an insincere, sarcastic and patronising offer of help, made to prevent anyone from questioning his motives; and Pyrope's belief in its sincerity shows his bias again.
Arcayne said:
"My last comment ( 3) was prompted after his uncivil remark made in the article discussion:
- "I do not wish to be drawn into an accusatory diatribe with you, as you seem to have a very condescending agitated bee in your bonnet" 4
Kapowow's behavior deteriorated ( 5) from that moment on, and his subsequent post was littered with uncivil comments and personal attacks ( 6, []). At that point, he filed this wikiquette alert, citing personal attacks and abuse that simply do not exist."
Please list these discussion that is "littered with uncivil comments and personal attacks". I stated that I do not like you. Am I allowed to say that I don't like a user? Or must i keep up a pretence of loving unconditionally all who edit Wikipedia? Perhaps you are referring to the incorrect assertion that the EU is an NGO, with such diatribe as:
[Arcayne]: "If you consider me throwing my political science and international relations degrees at you to be derogatory, then I have to say that I am sorry you feel that way. I am not a potted plant; I know the policies of which I speak, having learned through the same trial and errors that you are undergoing right now. If you feel I am being condescending, consider the significant restraint I am displaying in not responding in kind to some of your unpleasant characterizations of my edits"
Arcayne's desire that "If you truly feel that the flag usage is appropriate, please feel free to post in the MoS discussion page at WP:FLAG" is my next port of call. However, I feel that his language and actions are indeed beyond the pale.
Also, Arcayne's retort aimed at 75.58.34.144 that "I simply take this to AN/I to have him blocked/banned" seems very vindictive, and presumptive of his own unique infallibility. Is threatening other users with being reported to an administrator a violation of wikipedia etiquette? because Arcayne has done it many times, as shown on his Special:Contributions/Arcayne page. Arcayne's latest barb, "You are going to learn - presuming you aren't banned before then - that you are not smarter or more clever than any other person here. It would be a lesson you would be better off learning rather quickly" seems once more to be a vindictive threat: shut up, do as I say, and you won't get reported. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Kapowow ( talk) 13:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
♠It is the very essence of Arcaynes Modus Operandi. To threaten is his stock in trade. I'll guarantee I can show FIFTY recent examples of this behavior. And I'll even throw in half a dozen threats by Arcayne against administrators for good measure.
Arcayne's latest barb, "You are going to learn - presuming you aren't banned before then - that you are not smarter or more clever than any other person here. It would be a lesson you would be better off learning rather quickly" seems once more to be a vindictive threat: shut up, do as I say, and you won't get reported. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Would Arcayne have any objection to first hand reports from editors on this note? 75.57.165.180 ( talk) 14:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
♠Actually, I wonder if I could find one for each hour of record...
Consider my short note of enquiry far better than say, a complaint filed at an admin board. ...I will report you, out of simple protection to the community. Good day. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 13:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
75.57.165.180 ( talk) 14:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
♠I have just been forum shopped by user Arcayne. He has Formally accused me of the following:
- C Ongoing, serious pattern vandalism involving dozens of incidents
- E 3RR violation using socks
The link may be found here: [6]
There is not a single 3RR - This all occurred in a Semi-protected article! As a public editor I made no reverts during the period it was locked. No evidence in the form of Diffs has been presented at all. And there is NOT a SINGLE case of Vandalism!
Amazingly this appears to be made up completely. I'll suggest here that something unusual is occurring and I am not comfortable. 75.57.165.180 ( talk) 15:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry you feel that way Kapowow. I can to this dispute as an impartial, disinterested editor. I said it as I saw. There was nothing in Arcayne's first post, or the posts on your talk page, that was at all derogatory. Cheeky, maybe, but you must always assume good faith. Arcayne's posts were perhaps a touch condescending, but this is a very different thing to a personal attack or even a derogatory comment. You also seem to be reading far too much into many of Arcayne's comments ("beat on each other" is a very different phrase to "beat each other off", which is what I think you read it as) and where they say that many new editors launch into attacks only to have "their butts handed to them" is directly third-person, and was actually explicitly referring to people other than you. Arcayne was complimenting you on your own attitude. Ironic. Aside from reading threats of physical attack or "homophobic" comments into virtually everything Arcayne wrote, no matter how unsubstantiated, you seem to be incapable of seeing just how offensive and aggressive your own tone and turn of phrase are. This is what I meant by "thin skin and a fast tongue". Please note that I am only referring here to the early days of this dispute, not the personal war that has developed between you. Finally, and most seriously, you do not have the prerogative to call any editor "a fucking asshole" anywhere, at any time. Everything you do and say on Wikipedia is visible to the entire community, and personal abuse made on your own talk page or in edit summaries is just as serious. Now I'l say the same thing to you as I said to Arcayne: sit back and wait for the results of the checkuser request. Go away and cool off for a bit. Pyrop e 16:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a note: The "checkuser request" and direct accusation of "Ongoing, serious pattern vandalism involving dozens of incidents" and "3RR violation using socks" were against me. It was much later after this action here that Arcayne added Kapowow to his case against me. He accused me of sock puppetry, not Kapowow.
♠I think the most interesting thing about this is Arcaynes ability to tie up so many resources and manpower over something he has NEVER supported. NO diffs. Nothing. Is it not reasonable that when one accuses another of a crime - that a crime exist? Having spent numerous hours in multiple forums having to stand up and shout "It's me!" "I'm one!" while Arcayne ignores the written words on the screen is wasteful for us all. The basic right of all Wikipedians, public editor or anonymous wiki account holder is the same - a reasonable request for citation must be respected. Arcayne has failed to support his allegations of "Ongoing, serious pattern vandalism involving dozens of incidents" and "3RR violation using socks" and has abused the system in an attempt to harass and ban a public editor.
Pyrope, I too am sorry that you feel that way. I simply must call into question your impartiality, as evidenced on User_talk:Arcayne#Wikiquette. As I read it, the phrase "beat on each other" clearly means to masturbate one's penis on each other, and is highly offensive.
Regarding Arcayne's use of "their butts handed to them", that was with regard to Arcayne suggesting that many new users do not cite WP guidelines, not, as you assert, to inform new editors about "launching into attacks".
Every claim has been substantiated by me. Everything is out in the open for all to see. I question your ability to remain neutral when attempting to mediate, as none of Arcayne's defenses or otherwise have any credibility or evidence whatsoever.
I am unable to see any offensive or aggressive tone, as there is none. Discussing with Arcayne was impossible. Simply impossible. An utter refusal to act with cordiality or conviviality was my sole reason for making this complaint; not a "personal war". I freely admit that I am new to Wikipedia; and as such, I was hugely shocked and stunned by the apparant free-reign this particular editor had at stifling debate. If this level of abuse is routinely sanctioned and condoned, Wikipedia is not the place I thought it was: a place where genuine discussion can be had, in order to produce articles of worth and merit.
I have realised the improperness of calling someone a pejorative insult as a reason for an edit change. Although it may be true, it is not polite or acceptable to have such remarks on any part of Wikipedia.
May I respectfully remind people that if new users are treated with such disdain and inequity, pretty soon there won't be any new users.
After I nominated an image for speedy deletion based on an obviously invalid copyright claim, Weareallone ( talk · contribs) left the following comments [7] [8] about me on image uploader's page. I found the comments to be accusatory and uncivil, and I think they were clearly meant to prejudice others against me. (The image in question was deleted and the uploading user banned as a sockpuppet, incidentally.)
I warned Weareallone to stop making such comments before bringing it here, but noticed that one of the comments was repeated on their talk page. I asked them to remove the comments, but instead of doing so they have cut and pasted sections of WP:NPA and repeated their assertion that I am Wikistalking them, both in the text and the edit comment. See their recent edit history for another (abeit coded) message about me.
Fair warning to anyone getting involved: Weareallone and I have an existing conflict which stems from my AfD nomination of their biography and subsequent sockpuppetry case. Weareallone has previously made statements about me on their our respective talk pages, but I find the recent comments to other users completely unacceptable. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 13:45, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Restawhile ( talk) 01:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)restawhile
User:Asrghasrhiojadrhr simply created two article
By coping two of my draft versions:
And:
I think this is a completely onaccaptable violation of the Wikipedia code because these drafts were in my userspace. Now I allready referted these actions. But could somebody take a look at this, and give me some feed back. -- Mdd ( talk) 11:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I seem to be having a bit of an issue with this gentleman regarding his use of edit summaries. I do a lot of NPP and I do a lot of deletion tagging and redirecting whenever possible. His interests included heavy metal music; a redirected substub at Years in Waste was reverted by him several hours later with a rather nasty note in the edit summary. The user had created a number of similar substubs and I followed procedure on that individual's talk page advising him about creating too-short articles, notice removals, etc. I left polite word on his talk page asking him not to use the edit summaries as such and he fired back with another nasty response. Another polite response on my part led to yet an even nastier, more sarcastic response on his. I don't mind if someone disagrees with an edit I make and I don't mind being corrected for mistakes, but this is just wrong. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 15:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The "Ottoman Flag" and "Republic of Turkey Flag" has been a long in dispute in wikipedia. Many authors have speculated on the issue. These unique states share the same symbols, and Republic of Turkey is a successor state of Ottoman Empire. However "Republic of Turkey" is a unique state and in 1936 standardized its flag, which made these two flags different. User:Res Gestæ Divi Augusti is from a perspective that claims in his words "I'm proud of my heritage" and try to make the point that Ottoman Empire and Republic Turkey have the same flag. Thus they are same states. In doing so User:Res Gestæ Divi Augusti copies "Republic of Turkey"'s flag under different names and claims it is Ottoman Flag. The pictures of the period clearly disproves this point (he also brings pictures that disproves his own point). The argument is brought forward to the Wikipedia:Third opinion. this is the link. The talk page extensively broughts the positions forward. these are the discussions I informed the user not to involve "edit wars" before the dispute resolved. this is the link. He personally attacked me claiming "I'm a shame." this is the link He does not wait to resolve the issue and continue to change the article, with adding insulting edit summaries on my English level. [9]. (1) A quick look at his edit history and his communication show that he is not acting Civil. (2) I don't mind if someone disagrees my position, but he is not coherent (claims flags are different than says the original is "paçavra") and constructive (he thinks we are idiot not to recognize that his proposal flag is the copy of "Republic of Turkey" flag) (3) The problem is very methodological. There is a law which defines exact shape and color of the Republic of Turkey flag. There are "original pictures which are not paint brushed" that shows Ottoman flag. Instead of "Truthfully creating the history" He creates a fictional history (name a copy the Turkish flag as Ottoman). When people reacts (such as me) disagrees because we can look at the pictures and recognize the difference, he insults and tries to create conspiracy theories. I 'm asking this person to be reminded to act [WP:Civil]. I'm asking this person to stop insulting me with values (love of my nation) which I surely prove this with my life and only communicate if he has anything to add regarding the issue, but not his political agenda. -- Kemalist ( talk) 16:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Pertaining to Chicago Cubs as well as my talk page. Edit-warring, adding peacock words, not maintaining POV, as well as personal attacks. Generally not adhering to any Wiki policies. Examples: [10], [11], [12]. My only goal is for him to learn civility, and general Wiki technique for sourcing and keeping POV out of articles. Tool2Die4 ( talk) 18:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
For the last two years I've been responsible for systematically improving many snake articles. I started out in the Viperidae section, but later went on to work on other snake families, such as the Pythonidae. I've not had all that much help doing this, so I've mostly been operating on my own. As a result, a few of my methods are a little off-beat, but on the whole the results have met with approval. I like to pay particular attention to taxonomy, article consistency and references.
The last few months I've tried to spend a little less time editing WP, usually limiting myself to removing vandalism and correcting mistakes. My edits to the Antaresia and Antaresia childreni articles were nothing out of the ordinary and I even took the trouble to explain to the user, Cygnis insignis, the issues involved. I've done this many times before. Unfortunately, he just didn't agree and insisted that his edits be restored. When I tried to explain further he became even more defensive and eventually uncivil. I discussed the situation with an admin I know, Accounting4Taste, decided to ignore Cygnis insignis for a while, staying away from the articles at issue, giving him a chance to cool off.
Unfortunately, that's proving impossible: I suspect he's been watching what I've been doing and is determined to make life difficult for me. For example, check of the edit histories for Vipera berus, Morelia spilota variegata and Python reticulatus. Most recently, he left this warning on my talk page. I considered Accounting4Taste's advice to ask for a Third opinion, but this is a conflict that involves more than one article. It looks much more like a personal attack, which is a first for me. Therefore, I'm hoping that this avenue is the correct choice. If not, perhaps someone can inform me of a better one. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, -- Jwinius ( talk) 13:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
(I think) -- Jwinius ( talk) 19:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I've been around for a while, mostly as a reader, occasionally contributing through my IP address. I saw a couple of (badly written) pages about Nick Savoy and Lovesystems. I decided I wanted to contribute more and spent a whole morning researching and revising both articles. I was immediately slapped with Rhaworth making comments that I felt were sarcastic and abusive, and included repeated unfounded allegations that I was alternately a sock puppet of a half-dozen other people, afiliated with various companies, etc.
I want to contribute. I have tried several times on his talk page to work constructively with him. I don't want to be blocked from wikipedia like he threatens (he hasn't threatened me with this, but I see other comments on his page where other people are upset at the same sort of treatment and got such threats). I hope that I can't be blocked for writing this - if I can, could whoeever reads this please delete it (or alert me so I can) so I can delete this before he reads it and bans me?
We were all new once. I'm trying hard to learn all the rules and procedures. I'd love a helping hand here. Camera123456 ( talk) 21:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
THis user has been posting very rude statements and argmemnts full of insults on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ayn_Rand. I'll put a warning on his/her talk page Ethan a dawe ( talk) 18:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Kudos on being a rush/ayn rand fan. anthem? :P Ironholds ( talk) 19:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
This user continues to attack and harass me. His behavior isn't limited to just my talk page, or his. His edit summaries as well have been abusive and rude. He's even gone as far as changing my comments (that are on his talk page) to make me look stupid. RobJ1981 ( talk) 20:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
While I am guilty of losing my cool, I am not the problem editor here. Please allow me to showcase the type of editing that RobJ1981 displays. Most of this activity is from this year alone. What made me lose my cool on this editor is when he reverted a good faith edit of mine without reason, most likely just because my name was attached and failed to acknowledge any wrong doing. [22]. All of this stemmed from his continual tenditiousness of the article Smackdown vs Raw 2008.
If you look at the talk pages, you can see that the majority of editors have made a case for making the roster of the game a list. [23], [24], [25], [26] Rob has reverted many users who have re-added the list no less than 14 times. [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40]
Looking through the talk pages you will see the following:
Users who have asked for this section to be a list or table:
User:RobJ1981,
User:Ladder4321,
User:WWEBoffin0101,
User:220.235.118.203,
User:Govvy,
User:Greyglue,
User:InfoLove,
User:Welshy1791,
User:Masterofdestiny,
User:AD_Double_J,
User:69.207.161.152,
User:Credema,
User:75.117.53.19,
User:Technogreek43,
User:ArcAngel,
User:Truco9311 ,
User:DonJuan.EXE,
User:Dlae,
User:Kaizer13,
User:Maestro25,
User:165.21.154.110,
User:Fhassan,
User:Nifboy,
User:Amamamp,
User:McJeff,
User:Angrymansr
Against a list/table User:Jtalledo, User:Krator, User:RobJ1981, User:Truco9311, User:3bulletproof16, User:Guyinblack25
Rob has been reverting anyone who makes the roster a list or table, though there is very little support for the roster to be prose. If that wasn't bad enough, while this debate was going on he started converting the other wrestling games rosters to prose.
Now that you have our history, let's look at how he treats other people.
Calling people hypocrites
[41]
[42]
[43]
Accusing others of being revert patrole [44] [45] [46]
Dressing other down [47] [48] [49]
Accusing other people of stalking [50] [51] [52] [53] [54]
Abusive edit summaries [55] [56]
Assuming bad faith [57] [58] [59] [60]
Telling people to "go elsewhere" [61] [62] [63] [64] [65] [66] [67] [68]
Accusing others of WP:OWN [69] [70] [71] [72] [73] [74]
Reporting to administrator noticeboard without notifying editor [79] [80] [81]
Accusing me of harrasment by informing him that I will notify administrators of his behavior [82]
Accusing others of forum shopping with no evidence [83] [84]
Requesting protection due to edit warring while being the major edit warrer, then failing to discuss issue during protection [85]
Accussing of purposely breaking policy [86] [87] [88] [89] [90]
Reverting without reason [91] [92] [93] [94] [95] [96] [97] [98] [99]
Making major changes to article without consensus [100] [101] [102]
Accusing others of vandalism when it appears to be good faith editing [103] [104] [105] [106] [107]
General incivility [108] [109]
Accusing others of sockpuppetry [110]
Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts/archive42#User:RobJ1981.2C_continual_tenditiousness. Angrymansr ( talk) 23:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
This user has been edit warring in the Developed country article, completely blind to the fact that his opinion doesn't take presicence over verifiable, sourced content. He seems to be offended by the fact that Turkey is listed as developing. But what pushed me to report him was this comment in discussion, after I had tried my best to explain things to him. "The only sector in which the ex-Soviet countries outperform Turkey is the prostitution sector"
Is that really necessary? I looked at his talk page and noticed he's been blocked multiple times for edit warring, having come off a week long ban just recently. He also seems to have a very bad attitude and seems to do nothing but push his POV about Turkey not being a developed country. Sbw01f ( talk) 17:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
He is right, I am wrong. Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Moldova are countries in transition, while Turkey is less developed. I give up, and I don't care. So be it. Res Gestæ Divi Augusti ( talk) 18:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
This IP is very active in DYK suggestions, and often suggests alternatives which are sometimes incorrect. In this instance, he said "there is no need to remind people how dumb that guy is..." refering to my suggestion for DYK. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 00:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I am filing a complaint against User:Adamfinmo for two counts: (1) His seemingly strange behavior with the article I created on the British artist Richard Sumner -- I have tried repeatedly to work with him to Wikify the article, only to have him twice attempt to get it deleted for no very good reason, and (2) His actions on List of unusual deaths, which he appears to be running as if it is his private domain. I've tried working with him privately, but it has come to naught. I appreciate unbiased mediation on this. Thank you. Ecoleetage ( talk) 04:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This matter was resolved between myself and the other party. Ecoleetage ( talk) 05:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I have tried to engage this user several times in a calm and good manner. I have been personally attacked by this user several times. I am at my wits end. I tried to nominate a couple of articles for deletion and this user has taken the opportunity to slam me and challenge my motives. Our dispute is currently active in the following locations. User talk:Adamfinmo User talk:Ecoleetage The talk page of Richard Sumner and the WP:Afd of Richard Sumner and Carl McCunn
Here are some diffs
Refers to me as capricious and overzealous:
[111]
Does it again
[112]
Questions my motives
[113]
Questions my health
[114]
Refers to my edits as "offensive"
[115]
Places false vandal warning on my talk page
[116]
Says my edits are "angry"
[117]
Please, someone help me. If I am in the wrong here someone tell me!-- Adamfinmo ( talk) 04:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I (and I imagine at least one other user, User:Philip Stevens) would appreciate some assistance with this user with regard to the following pages and and their recent histories (i.e. the past few days):
I hope the problem is readily apparent, but if any elaboration is needed, I can try to write something here. Sardanaphalus ( talk) 16:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I thank Sardanaphalus for notifying me of this discussion. Electrobe seems to be having some difficulties with some of our core policies and I am watching his edits, having formally warned him about his behaviour.
Having said that, I caution all users to beware of WP:3RR and encourage reports of breaches of this policy to the appropriate forum. I also encourage everyone to stay as calm as possible, even when provoked. Breaches of civility or attack are not excused by other people behaving badly too. -- Dweller ( talk) 11:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
User:Twaz has been uncooperative with regards to a dispute on censorship on the articles Who the Fuck Is Jackson Pollock? and Brian Cowen, PRODding the first article ( diff) and reverting a good faith edit as vandalism on the second due to an anonymous IP that added a well-cited, yet vulgar nickname. In the case of Brian Cowen, Twaz warned the anonymous IP up to final warning ( diff) even as the user was trying to discuss the changes ( diff). In both cases, Taz continued to blank his talk page of notices ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (including a threat to send this to ARBCOM), 6, and 7), which was not conducive for a proper discussion. He also made various uncivil comments to my talk page and to The359's talk page. — scetoaux ( T| C) 21:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed something while checking through Twaz's contributions. Seicer, an admin, left him a message ( diff) on Twaz's talk page warning him of incivility. Twaz removed ( diff) the message from his talk page later on. I do realize that a user can remove information from his or her own talk page, but in light of his blanking of this WQA, among other things, I feel that this is more an incivil way of avoiding any form of discussion. I am tempted to pursue an RfC, as the user has clearly indicated they will not attempt to come to a resolution. — scetoaux ( T| C) 19:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
(Disclaimer: I am Twaz's adopter.) I have been looking through some of the events listed here, and have formed a few conclusions, which I offer in the hope that they will help everyone involved climb down and work together.
I believe everyone here is acting in good faith, and I urge everyone to work harder at understanding each other's points of view. Let's offer apologies for any offence caused, and forgive any offence taken. Bovlb ( talk) 07:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
So, any objection to calling this resolved? Bovlb ( talk) 16:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
User:Life.temp an WP:SPA editor edit history has been identified by me and other editors as a POV editor who is a SSP case 1 case 2 due to his editng on anti-Americanism please refer to the article Talk:anti-Americanism for reference of the behavior. The editor was adviced by me to get familiar with WP:EQ here but instead following my advice he PA me here because I reverted his edit here which was reverted by an established eitor of the article just before me here I followed the consensus of the editors of the article, reverting the unsourced POV. I origionally sourced the lead here before reverting him for the second time. The editor disapproves of me checking his edits, because he thinks I am targetting him, which I am not. I am following the WP:EQ process of engaging an editor to prevent systematic bias of POV editng, which has been identified by his 's history. What really conserns me are not his edits so much, because each POV can be dealt with in accordance by the editors envolved at the article talk page, but his style of editng which is disruptive. It is disruptive because it does not follow the Wikipedia etiquettes of building consesus. The editor believes he is right and others are wrong. He makes it very clear every time by edit warring with other editors to WP:point. Recently it has become a bit more tolerable because he is venting his anger at me not at other editors. Still some of his edit recommenditions have merit when undesrstood, but it requires a lot of energy and attention of many editors. He is very incistent that every point he brings up is addressed and debated here. Wikipedia is not a batleground or a place for a debate as advices in Wikipedia:NOT. I am following the advice of Meatballwiki which recommends to bring a problamatic editor's behavior to the attention of the community and not make I against him, or a few against him, but Wikipedia addressing the editor's problematic editing style. I am not asking for the editor to be blocked, because we should not be chasing away editors but helping editors adjust to Wikipedia community. Also as per SSP, he will just come back again and again if he is blocked. And he really seems interesting in contributing to Wikipedia. To bring this to WP:RFC/U is still to early. To bring it to WP:ANI is too dramatic and not really necessary because there is no imminent threat to Wikipedia that requers an administrative intervention to pervent disruption of the project. So this is why I am at WP:Wikiquette alerts. I do not recommend putting a notice or a template on his page because he will feel it is a personal attack and remove it as he has done my SSP alert here But if an editor he believes they should please do. While I was typing this he has filed an ANI report about me here So I am asking a confident editor to examine this case and make appropritate recommendations with respect as to how things should be addressed. Please consider WP:The gray zone when examining this issue. Please comment on my User talk:Igorberger Thank you, Igor Berger ( talk) 12:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I saw a handful of edits by OrangeMarlin while I was temporarily involved with the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed He appeared to be making threats, telling other editors he hoped they were blocked, and generally just not being very friendly, so I went to his talk page and saw many other comments which caused me concern, so I left him a message. I was informed that linking people to WP:CIV is considered a bit rude, something I'm slightly confused about, and while I'm here would appreciate someone recommending what I should do instead if another similar set of circumstances arises. After a short discussion, in which I tried to be as polite as possible, he archived the discussion as a 'personal attack'. You can get a fairly straightforward idea of what happened here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Orangemarlin&curid=13677690&diff=205429898&oldid=205429428
I have not been in contact with OrangeMarlin for at all long, but discussion with him on his talk page obviously isn't possible with the archiving. Any help appreciated. Restepc ( talk) 23:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
(undent), I wasn't happy with calling me a troll either, and I don't see how the GSTS argument should have affected OMs behaviour on the expelled article, and I saw other things on the talk page....but I guess those could also be very recent, I didn't check the dates. I'm not entirely convinced this is just a one off thing caused by some troll, but I'll let it be for a couple of weeks and see what happens, thanks a lot for the (very) quick response....I'd still like to know what to do in these situations other than link to WP:CIV though.... Restepc ( talk) 23:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
←Marking as resolved (as best as it's going to be anyway). -- Bfigura ( talk) 22:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This editor seems to be having a bad day: he called me a moron after a perfectly reasonable request from me to help expand an article. [118] [119] After I complained [120] [121], he followed it up saying I have his contempt. DrKiernan ( talk) 11:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Not 100% sure this is the correct place but, the above user has committed an abuse of WP:Civil on another user's talk page. I went to his ( User:Kurtlockwood's)talk page to place a gentle warning and found the page protected so, am bringing it here. Thank you Jasynnash2 ( talk) 12:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Harassment and vandalism on Melody Amber. User is of the conviction that every mention of my name should be eliminated from the internet and does not care about guidelines. I could use some help, not sure where to go with this. Spillover from nl:Wikipedia where user and user:JacobH have been stalking me for over six months, risk of further escalation if more troops are called in. Guido den Broeder ( talk) 22:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Please take it to the reliable sources noticeboard or the conflict of interest noticeboard. Either would probably be a more appropriate venue. -- Bfigura ( talk) 22:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I have never once made any comments about the notability of the subject of this article. I don't know if Susan Hurley is an outstanding composer, I don't know if she's well-known and notable. My sole concerns in this article have been to its format. The original version was written in sentence fragments, like a resume, and did not meet Wikipedia's style format. In addition, it was originally created at Susan Hurley American Composer, and I moved it to Susan Hurley (composer), and added formatting tags on the article, including cleanup-rewrite. Robert.chave saw fit to move it to Susan Hurley composer, and stripped off the tags, although he did add more sources. I moved it back to Susan Hurley (composer), the standard naming convention, and re-added the cleanup-rewrite tag, as it still looks like a resume. I also removed the following meaningless jargon paragraph:
Robert.chave has seen fit to revert the paragraph twice now, and has sent me incivil comments on my Talk page such as [122] and [123]. I have tried to remain civil, and have repeatedly tried to explain to him my objections, but he has responded by reverting my edits and harrassing me on my Talk page. Corvus cornix talk 23:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi Corvus and Bfigura, The sequences which I restored, I subsequently modified. These were restorations with modification. There were changes made to improve the readability of the article. This can easily be checked. Corvus when you referred to what I wrote as the the worst kind of "twaddle" this is not really a constructive criticism. So it is difficult to discern, when receiving this kind of remark, what you intended by it. Regards, Robert Chave ( talk) 23:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarity of this remark. I will find some sources and quote them. They will probably be print based. Robert Chave ( talk) 00:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Notability: Hi Corvis, You write up above that you never said one word about notability, yet this was one of your primary complaints. Please see the following written by you: 23:03, 12 April 2008 Corvus cornix (Talk | contribs) (2,360 bytes) ({{cleanup-rewrite}}{{onesource}}{{notable}}) (undo) Best Robert Chave ( talk) 00:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I have been accused by this user of almost making him lose his work on
Executive Magistrates of the Roman Republic because I made a routine edit at the same time that he was trying to make an edit. Please see
[124]. As far as I'm aware, there is really no way that this could have been prevented. I left what I thought was a polite note asking him if there was any way that the situation could have been avoided, but instead of responding politely, he deleted my note from his talk page:
[125]. I would appreciate any comments on the situation. Thanks.
Paradoxsociety (
talk) 01:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Additional links:
edit that I made, mostly an autoformat using
wikEd
edit that the user in question was trying to make while I made my edit
Paradoxsociety ( talk) 01:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Every since he has had a problem with me here: List of characters in Bully, he has been uncivil and shown a lot of bad faith. A few recent examples: [126] (first time he blanked my comment on the talk page). I reverted it, and told him about Template:Notyours. Later, he once again blanked my comment out: [127]. Then there is this: [128], which I see also as bad faith. It should be noted I hadn't edited that Bully list page (or it's talk) for a while, so his original attack (found here: [129], wasn't necessary at all. There was no need to drag past editors into the discussion, and basically drag their name in the mud because of past disputes. Then he butted into this alert: Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#User:Angrymansr, due to past issues with me. RobJ1981 ( talk) 04:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
If everyone can find it just fine, then there's no need to notify Guyinblack. Especially when you called it Outside opinions needed (or something to that effect), and then notify someone who would not be considered an outside opinion since he was already involved in support of your POV. The right thing to do is notify everyone via the SvR talk page so that everyone can view and participate. Not everyone is a member and/or views that PW project talk page regularly. I wouldn't have known about it if I wasn't notified, so that assessment is incorrect. It's just common courtesy, much like letting people know when you report them to admins or nominate their articles for deletion. Doing so will only make you look better in the eyes of the community. Angrymansr ( talk) 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Offensive, swearing, use of f- word. [153] Please advise this guy on WP:Civil and WP:NPA. Thanks. Xenovatis ( talk) 12:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
This user seems to be very partial to POV-pushing [154] [155], does not assume good faith when his opinion is challenged [156], seems to have a great dislike of policy here and ignores them consistently when another editor has mentioned them. Has been disrespectful to other "senior" members in the past [157] [158] usually as a result of the reminder of these policies when they fall foul of them and also has a habit of deleting any user warnings given to them [159] [160] [161] [162] [163]. -- treelo talk 17:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Comment "Your IP address(es) are available already, and someone like me can find out things like where you live, who your service provider is, etc.." caused concern to editor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.4.222 ( talk) 18:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I have consistently maintained Gene Loves Jezebel and Michael Aston pages and I believe I have kept them fair and balanced. User 98.220.43.195 has consistently changed the article quoting one magazine article that is very one-sided and biased, along with making constant personal attacks against me. I have tried simply sticking with the facts of the situation, but he/she doesn't seem willing to. I was able to find two separate articles that were completely contradictory to the magazine article that 98.220.43.195 has quoted. I am trying to maintain the page, but he/she keeps undoing my edits and listing personal reasons, not factual ones. -- Ghost ( talk) 21:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I would respond that this all began because I, along with other editors, have been striving to make the Gene Loves Jezebel article more fair and balanced. GhostAston has what appears to be a bias against one of the people in the article, Jay Aston (I provided proof of such from his own website) and I have witnessed him continuously editing the page to slant it in favor of someone else in the article, Michael Aston. He has even taken to removing FACTS from the page, such as the FACT that when Michael Aston left in 1988, Jay became the main songwriter. This situation all began, in addition, because he continuously refused to allow reference to the existence of an alternate version of Gene Loves Jezebel fronted by Jay Aston. Bizarrely, whenever someone would insert mention of the existence of this very real band, he would revert it and label it as vandalism! I believe his removal of FACTS, among other things, are being done solely to harrass me. I apologize if some of my comments have been harsh, but GhostAston's actions have greatly frustrated me and other fans of the band. By the way, I have removed the offending comment from GhostAston's talk page that led him to file this alert in the first place. I will endeavor to be more civil; at the same time, I and others are tired of his harrassment and continued attempts to make this a one-sided, biased article. 98.220.43.195 ( talk) 21:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
User:Geogre wrote the following on my talk page: this. He did not add anything to a page. The page in question was just begun. Instead, he criticizes my writing style. His purpose on my talk page is to do nothing but to be incivil. Wikipedia is about praise and helping, not actions like this. Ottava Rima ( talk) 14:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
This user is in the middle of an argument over the EyeOS article. Before the page was protected, this user consistently reverted my contributions, even though I provided valid references. I'm trying to get on the topic of the article itself in Talk:EyeOS, and I'm asking him for a valid reason why he's doing it, but he refuses to discuss it, and instead attacks me. Psychcf ( talk) 19:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Comment from an outsider: teddys behaviour may or may not be helpful, but if you (Psychcf) are running a competitor website, then you have a clear conflict of interest and should avoid editing the article, even if your edits are entirely in good faith Restepc ( talk) 20:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
The article of the eyeOS project was semi-protected because a discussion with User:Psychcf, who wants to put his opinion on the article. Later, he admits in the talk page that he is a project developer of http://www.psychdesktop.net/, a project competition of eyeOS. A conflict of interests is clear here. Some days later, after a long discussion, he accepts to change his behavior, and some hours laters, another employer of http://www.psychdesktop.net/, [[User:Jaymacdonald] joins to the discussion, saying absolutely the same as Psychcf. We have a clear situation where some people are trying to give bad reputation to his competition through wikipedia, adding his own opinion to the article, and some critcism without references. The article will be unpprotected tomorrow, and they are talking about continue with his behavior, in the talk page. I think that is not allowed to edit wikipedia articles about projects/things where you are involved/are your competition/you have some personal interest Teddybearnow ( talk) 20:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd appreciate some friendly advice to users
explaining that en:Wikipedia is not an alternative platform to continue discussions relating to events on nl:Wikipedia. Guido den Broeder ( talk) 08:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Upgrading request to more than friendly, where necessary. Guido den Broeder ( talk) 09:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
(undent) It seems that this is a spill over from nl.wp of a dispute (or series of disputes) between you and this "mob", and therefore NOT mentioning what's happened on nl.wiki isn't likely to be an achievable aim, especially as it appears that one side or the other is point blank lying about a nl.wp arbcom decision. This appears to go way beyond the scope of Wikiquette, and I'm not sure I can help. Restepc ( talk) 13:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Could you please explain, Guido, how what I said to you is a violation of Wikiquette? Also, just for the record, I was not and am not involved in this dispute over at the Dutch Wikipedia, nor will I become involved there. See nl:Speciaal:Bijdragen/Aecis and nl:Speciaal:Bijdragen/82.73.153.49 (my IP). I am aware that there is a dispute over there, yes, but that doesn't make me involved in it. A ecis Brievenbus 13:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe this user needs some serious handholding by editors/admins experienced with helping newbies (a task I am poorly qualified for as I am still learning and making mistakes myself). Dawoodabro has created many articles (see contrib list here [202]) related to Pakistan tribal structure and history which could potentially be very encyclopedic. However, many of these articles violate various WP policies including WP:V, WP:RS, WP:OR and in some cases possibly WP:BLP (when discussing current tribal chiefs by name). I do believe the user's intentions are good faith, as are those of other users who are helping to edit the pages, but there are problems that need to be addressed quickly as the user has recently created a large number of new articles which are sure to end up in the CSD bin.
I would also suggest that the information this user is providing, while crude stubs for the moment, might be worthy of protection/defense from SD nominations as I believe it has real WP:POTENTIAL for development by anthropological and sociopolitical scholars who would have verifiable resources to confirm much of the data. I would be very reluctant to scare off the user and lose the encyclopedic information he/she is trying to contribute -- provided he/she is willing to be educated in the ways of WP. -- Low Sea ( talk) 11:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I have repeatedly removed a "cabal" listing from Wikipedia:List of cabals, but User:Allstarecho continues to add it back, telling me I need to " grow up", and accusing me of stalking. This user has been uncivil about this and refuses to actually discuss, instead, preferring to insults. This stems out of a MfD that resulted in a template of his being deleted as an attack template, him re-writing it, me submitting the re-write for deletion because I wasn't quite comfortable with the re-write and wanting other opinions, which I got and withdrew my nomination. Because of this, he has resorted to declaring that I am stalking him and placing this indirect attack on this page.
I am aware of the big purple box at the top regarding the intended humor of the topic, and that there are bigger things to worry about. However, when one user is the sole subject of the humor, it ceases to be humor and becomes an attack. If I'm wrong in placing this here, that's fine, but this user has a history of incivility and being blocked for it. I don't want him blocked, I just want this attack against me to stay removed. Justinm1978 ( talk) 15:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
(undent)I think you need to calm down Justin. You came here for help for a user being uncivil towards you. Going on like you are, yourself acting uncivil is certainly not going to help. Grsz 11 03:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
When editing the Beyonce page about her personal life and marriage to Jay-Z I am consistently being bullied by a user named Efe and someone named Dan Bard. By adding information about her personal life including her marriage it was edited multiple times daily and I was told to stop " vandalizing" her page. How is that vandalism. Just because the information was not relavant to them it is now vandalism? They are getting their information from the same media and internet sources that I am citing but oh because they have not personally confirmed the marriage these two people spend their time taking the information down twice a day. I should start removing their contributions.
Hi, recently I was communicating with admin Ricky81682 ( talk · contribs). I am dissatisfied with several of his comments and actions. First, I'd like to cite the following to illustrate what I expect from admins:
“ | Administrators, like all users, are not perfect beings. However in general they are expected to act as role models within the community, and a good general standard of civility, fairness, and general conduct both to users and in content matters, is expected. When acting as administrators, they are also expected to be fair, exercise good judgment, and give explanations and be communicative as necessary. ( source) | ” |
My main problem with him is that he does not sufficiently explain his statements and actions. What do I mean by sufficiently? Claiming that someone is uncivil is not sufficient enough, because the word
uncivil has no real meaning without explanation. For a series of unanswered questions, see
this group after he blocked me.
I could still ignore that but then he made this comment (again without explanation, nor evidence):
"
I'd suggest a block because I frankly have yet to see a lot of anything other than POV pushing from him."
The statement seemed so ridiculous to me that
I
asked
several
times whether it was aimed at me. Since he said he'd ignore my questions, I've concluded that it was.
I'd like Ricky to explain what he meant by POV-pushing and list such examples. I take this allegation seriously because I always try to adhere to neutral point of view (that is the one supported by reliable evidence). This can be easily illustrated by the many {{fact}}, {{unreferenced}}, {{refimprove}} and other tags I inserted into articles. It can be also illustrated by the tens of articles I created or significantly improved and hundreds of references I added (examples of references:
[203],
[204],
[205]).
Rickly claims he explained his actions, but I think this can be a semantics problem.
For example, he stated that I
called people nationalists in a particular comment. However, it is quite clear that I didn't label anybody a nationalist in that
comment. I am aware that I once said that an
editor's actions are based on nationalism. In other examples, I talked about nationalism in general. When I asked Ricky to clarify this, he changed his rhetoric to "
a rant about nationalists" First, I was answering a question so how that makes the answer a rant I don't know. Second, even if it was a rant, how does that warrant a block? Moreover, he said that I want on "complaining about '
they are two and I am only one'" I said that: "That they are two and use it as an advantage is a fact for me. If you have a problem with that, try to explain why. Also, that was a general point about how Wikipedia works." I still support this statement and Ricky still didn't say what is inaccurate about it or why it warrants a block.
In conclusion, I know that some comments I made were inappropriate (but certainly not much different from others' involved), but the point of this alert is to see some explanations from Ricky and others' comments on the questions posted.
Therefore, if someone wants to start with off-topic discussions here, please don't. I've been thrown so many
red herrings at Wikipedia recently that I may get mercury poisoning.--
Svetovid (
talk) 11:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
(undent) For the arguments about blogs, see here for why they are generally not accepted, like you were told earlier. For the other discussions, you should know as (a) you were told by others about them and (b) you took it upon yourself to create a WP:OWN complaint against those who argued that with you. As I said before, I am not interested in playing technical games with you. Otherwise, I think that the discussion on Svetovid's talk page, this Wikiquette alert, this at WP:ANI, plus this oddity (done "like suggested") should be more than clear what this is. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 19:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
This seems to be an overflow of a complex dispute involving Hungarian and Slovakian editors and articles. FYI, I have started a centralized location for discussion of these disputes and editors, at User:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian experiment. I recommend that any other complaints about these issues be directed there. Thanks, El on ka 11:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)