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Economics

Milton Owor

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BLP of the chair of a rotary club who is also a successful HR professional. I don’t see anything here to indicate notability. Mccapra ( talk) 23:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

This article should be retained because of the following reasons;

Asking ourselves questions
If we were to determine notability using the criteria that you have followed then we would be asking our selves;
  • Is Denis Toussaint Lesage is also notable or not? He was a successful deputy of his time
  • What is so special about that president of a certain country as there has been more presidents before him that have done great things?
  • What makes that CEO notable as their are people who have done what he has done.As in he founded a company but their are big companies than what he founded, etc

  • Does one being a member of a certain club, association or secret organisation make that person notable?
But according to the;
He is not just a HR professional at the NSSF Uganda, not everyone can be in that position. But he also won a top HR award in Uganda for his profession. B722N ( talk) 03:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
It’s true that New Vision and Daily Monitor mention him, but neither piece is in depth coverage of him and does not contribute in any way to demonstrating notability. Everything else we have for sourcing us either from organisations associated with the subject, or a non-notable award. Mccapra ( talk) 06:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
One of the biggest challenges faced by African Wikipedians is getting in-depth references that talk about people they are writing about. Most of the content in the newspapers and books is just a paragraph or a sentence. Very few Ugandans have books written about them or entire newspaper pages dedicated to them.

I request that you check most of the Ugandan Wikipedia articles and check whether their references have entire pages dedicated to the people that have been written about. Most of that information comes from their personal or company websites which are mostly not written with Neutral Point of View. And then the information from those websites is backed up with those paragraphs and sentences that have been found the notable media sites and publications.

Even most of newspaper articles about the profile of a person is usually tagged as sponsored content and you know that as long as an article drives sales or generates clicks or they have been paid then they will have to publish it. And how many international media houses are going to write about the profiles of Ugandan people in depth from childhood to education to their careers. They will just write a paragraph about the career and working experience.

And for the awards, what makes the award notable?

Should we be only considering the Grammy Awards or the BET Awards as the notable awards and not the top Ugandan Awards that awards their Ugandan musicians.

Or we should only be considering the Komla Dumor Award as the only notable award for journalists and not the awards that are given by the Uganda Journalists Association (UJA) because they are not recognized anywhere apart from Uganda.

I understand that we are doing the deletions to improve the quality of content on Wikipedia and that not everybody deserves to have a Wikipedia article since it is not an advertising platform.

And also you are not tagging these articles in bad faith but it is for the greater good. But how are we going to increase the African content on Wikipedia yet the articles written with the fewer references that are harder to get are also being deleted. If the article did follow guidelines such as WP:NPOV or the Wikipedia:Notability (people) or the tone was harsh.

I suggest that this article should be retained.

And also instead of deleting the published articles, they should be moved back to the draft space where someone can wait for 6 months before even getting a reference that writes about that person in depth. But at-least it gives the editors another chance to look deeper for the reference to find the new references that have written.

These kinds of deletions demotivate new editors, they will end up losing interest in contributing to the different projects of the Wikimedia Foundation especially if they tried to follow the guidelines for writing the articles about different topics. B722N ( talk) 08:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Biographies of living people are one of the most challenging types of article. A lot get deleted because we have a very high threshold for notability where they're concerned. I’ve no doubt there are many articles to be written on Uganda-related topics, using ordinary newspapers and other sources, where they won’t be challenged - that’s why newer users are often advised to avoid BLPs to start with. I’ve no objection to this article being draftified if there are in fact better sources that will clearly demonstrate notability. But draftification is pointless unless those sources probably exist. Mccapra ( talk) 12:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Thank you so much for your time @ Mccapra and enlightening me. All of your points have been noted. B722N ( talk) 13:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to see if we can get more participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. This article is a WP:REFBOMB but not a single one provides WP:SIGCOV of the subject. All available sources are WP:PRIMARYSOURCES (corporate bio pages, self-authored material) or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS with a name-check or perhaps a photo caption. He seems like a terrific civic-minded local leader but there is no evidence the subject passes the requirements of WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. (As for the latter, an editor up-thread appears to say that Owor is listed in the Ugandan biographical dictionary, but there is no cite to that in the article and I cannot find that such a reference exists at all, much less that Owor is in it.) Dclemens1971 ( talk) 04:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete: HR professional and president of a rotary club with no indication of notability. Opened every single source cited in the article hoping to find reliable ones but turned out that no single one is reliable to support notability. From sources number one to ten in the article all except one are primary sources and a further look at all sources proved same. Subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NBASIC Ednabrenze ( talk) 05:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Marco Magnani

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Not particularly relevant as an essayist, nor as a lecturer. Excellent career, no doubt, but rather in the normal range. Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 10:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Weak keep The page needs cleanup as it's written like an advertisement, but the books have quite some coverage to meet WP:NAUTHOR:
    • Fatti non foste a viver come robot: [1] (access via WP:LIBRARY) [2] [3] [4] [5]
    • Il grande scollamento. Timori e speranze dopo gli eccessi della globalizzazione: [6] [7] [8]

Broc ( talk) 15:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Some profiles in the press (although mixed with interviews, not sure if they would contribute to WP:GNG: [9] [10] and some more coverage of Il grande scollamento [11] Broc ( talk) 15:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 11:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 11:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Weak keep also : Not sure why there are profiles, but there appear to be Il Sole 24 Ore covering his return from America, il Fatto Quotidiano covering Italy 2030, what appears to be a book review I'm not sure of the independence of. Along with another book review, these are the only independent reliable sources the book has. Given a couple news stories about him and a number of sources on his books, it seems reasonable to write a short article. He seems to be notable for maybe the Italy 2030 project and his popular books?
Given the large number of sources, I wonder if it's possible to show they pass Wikipedia:Notability_(books)? That would pretty much resolve this debate, because this article would obviously contain the books. And given he has his own news sources, it seems reasonable to also discuss him.
I'm not 100% sure if the book sources transfer over to his notability, but he's still got a case either way. Mrfoogles ( talk) 16:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Stock exchanges of small economies

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This page is confusion as small economies are not defined and so would make more sense to create an article for each country instead. I don't see how this article can be kept up to date and what should be included, would countries go in and out over time as their economies change? The current content is out of date, which could be fixed, but it comes back to the purpose of this article. I feel the best solution at this stage is to delete it. Sargdub ( talk) 07:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • keep Article cites 4 research papers and 16 references on the very subject. The article could use some work, but it is obviously an important subject of study in both econ and development. On the criticism that it cannot stay up to date - how is it different than anything on wikipedia? Valuable start to a complex subject. Keep. Spencerk ( talk) 12:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 13:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete or redirect to Stock exchange: This can be discussed topic in a broader article, which should be easier to navigate for users anyway. Only one of the papers focuses specifically on stock markets in smaller countries, and none of them appear to be important enough to have inline citations in the article. Even if sourcing is improved, WP: TNT is relevant, and there would need to be a very compelling reason why this is easier to navigate than putting it in the main Stock exchange article. I also think the Keep vote above grossly exaggerates the quality of sourcing in the article. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 19:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 14:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete or Redirect to Stock exchange My knee-jerk reaction is that I would love to read an article about how the stock exchanges of small economies are different from regular stock exchanges. It sounds educative and super neat. Upon viewing the article itself, however, that's not what it does. Upon a cursory look, almost all the sources cover individual stock exchanges, not small-economy stock exchanges as a concept. This article is arguably WP:OR for that reason. An article on small-economy stock exchanges could benefit the encyclopedia and its readers, but this is not that article. Darkfrog24 ( talk) 19:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to Economics. It is one of many deletion lists coordinated by WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.

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Economics

Milton Owor

Milton Owor (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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BLP of the chair of a rotary club who is also a successful HR professional. I don’t see anything here to indicate notability. Mccapra ( talk) 23:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

This article should be retained because of the following reasons;

Asking ourselves questions
If we were to determine notability using the criteria that you have followed then we would be asking our selves;
  • Is Denis Toussaint Lesage is also notable or not? He was a successful deputy of his time
  • What is so special about that president of a certain country as there has been more presidents before him that have done great things?
  • What makes that CEO notable as their are people who have done what he has done.As in he founded a company but their are big companies than what he founded, etc

  • Does one being a member of a certain club, association or secret organisation make that person notable?
But according to the;
He is not just a HR professional at the NSSF Uganda, not everyone can be in that position. But he also won a top HR award in Uganda for his profession. B722N ( talk) 03:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
It’s true that New Vision and Daily Monitor mention him, but neither piece is in depth coverage of him and does not contribute in any way to demonstrating notability. Everything else we have for sourcing us either from organisations associated with the subject, or a non-notable award. Mccapra ( talk) 06:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
One of the biggest challenges faced by African Wikipedians is getting in-depth references that talk about people they are writing about. Most of the content in the newspapers and books is just a paragraph or a sentence. Very few Ugandans have books written about them or entire newspaper pages dedicated to them.

I request that you check most of the Ugandan Wikipedia articles and check whether their references have entire pages dedicated to the people that have been written about. Most of that information comes from their personal or company websites which are mostly not written with Neutral Point of View. And then the information from those websites is backed up with those paragraphs and sentences that have been found the notable media sites and publications.

Even most of newspaper articles about the profile of a person is usually tagged as sponsored content and you know that as long as an article drives sales or generates clicks or they have been paid then they will have to publish it. And how many international media houses are going to write about the profiles of Ugandan people in depth from childhood to education to their careers. They will just write a paragraph about the career and working experience.

And for the awards, what makes the award notable?

Should we be only considering the Grammy Awards or the BET Awards as the notable awards and not the top Ugandan Awards that awards their Ugandan musicians.

Or we should only be considering the Komla Dumor Award as the only notable award for journalists and not the awards that are given by the Uganda Journalists Association (UJA) because they are not recognized anywhere apart from Uganda.

I understand that we are doing the deletions to improve the quality of content on Wikipedia and that not everybody deserves to have a Wikipedia article since it is not an advertising platform.

And also you are not tagging these articles in bad faith but it is for the greater good. But how are we going to increase the African content on Wikipedia yet the articles written with the fewer references that are harder to get are also being deleted. If the article did follow guidelines such as WP:NPOV or the Wikipedia:Notability (people) or the tone was harsh.

I suggest that this article should be retained.

And also instead of deleting the published articles, they should be moved back to the draft space where someone can wait for 6 months before even getting a reference that writes about that person in depth. But at-least it gives the editors another chance to look deeper for the reference to find the new references that have written.

These kinds of deletions demotivate new editors, they will end up losing interest in contributing to the different projects of the Wikimedia Foundation especially if they tried to follow the guidelines for writing the articles about different topics. B722N ( talk) 08:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Biographies of living people are one of the most challenging types of article. A lot get deleted because we have a very high threshold for notability where they're concerned. I’ve no doubt there are many articles to be written on Uganda-related topics, using ordinary newspapers and other sources, where they won’t be challenged - that’s why newer users are often advised to avoid BLPs to start with. I’ve no objection to this article being draftified if there are in fact better sources that will clearly demonstrate notability. But draftification is pointless unless those sources probably exist. Mccapra ( talk) 12:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Thank you so much for your time @ Mccapra and enlightening me. All of your points have been noted. B722N ( talk) 13:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to see if we can get more participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. This article is a WP:REFBOMB but not a single one provides WP:SIGCOV of the subject. All available sources are WP:PRIMARYSOURCES (corporate bio pages, self-authored material) or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS with a name-check or perhaps a photo caption. He seems like a terrific civic-minded local leader but there is no evidence the subject passes the requirements of WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. (As for the latter, an editor up-thread appears to say that Owor is listed in the Ugandan biographical dictionary, but there is no cite to that in the article and I cannot find that such a reference exists at all, much less that Owor is in it.) Dclemens1971 ( talk) 04:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete: HR professional and president of a rotary club with no indication of notability. Opened every single source cited in the article hoping to find reliable ones but turned out that no single one is reliable to support notability. From sources number one to ten in the article all except one are primary sources and a further look at all sources proved same. Subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NBASIC Ednabrenze ( talk) 05:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Marco Magnani

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Not particularly relevant as an essayist, nor as a lecturer. Excellent career, no doubt, but rather in the normal range. Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 10:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Weak keep The page needs cleanup as it's written like an advertisement, but the books have quite some coverage to meet WP:NAUTHOR:
    • Fatti non foste a viver come robot: [1] (access via WP:LIBRARY) [2] [3] [4] [5]
    • Il grande scollamento. Timori e speranze dopo gli eccessi della globalizzazione: [6] [7] [8]

Broc ( talk) 15:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Some profiles in the press (although mixed with interviews, not sure if they would contribute to WP:GNG: [9] [10] and some more coverage of Il grande scollamento [11] Broc ( talk) 15:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 11:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 11:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Weak keep also : Not sure why there are profiles, but there appear to be Il Sole 24 Ore covering his return from America, il Fatto Quotidiano covering Italy 2030, what appears to be a book review I'm not sure of the independence of. Along with another book review, these are the only independent reliable sources the book has. Given a couple news stories about him and a number of sources on his books, it seems reasonable to write a short article. He seems to be notable for maybe the Italy 2030 project and his popular books?
Given the large number of sources, I wonder if it's possible to show they pass Wikipedia:Notability_(books)? That would pretty much resolve this debate, because this article would obviously contain the books. And given he has his own news sources, it seems reasonable to also discuss him.
I'm not 100% sure if the book sources transfer over to his notability, but he's still got a case either way. Mrfoogles ( talk) 16:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Stock exchanges of small economies

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This page is confusion as small economies are not defined and so would make more sense to create an article for each country instead. I don't see how this article can be kept up to date and what should be included, would countries go in and out over time as their economies change? The current content is out of date, which could be fixed, but it comes back to the purpose of this article. I feel the best solution at this stage is to delete it. Sargdub ( talk) 07:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • keep Article cites 4 research papers and 16 references on the very subject. The article could use some work, but it is obviously an important subject of study in both econ and development. On the criticism that it cannot stay up to date - how is it different than anything on wikipedia? Valuable start to a complex subject. Keep. Spencerk ( talk) 12:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 13:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete or redirect to Stock exchange: This can be discussed topic in a broader article, which should be easier to navigate for users anyway. Only one of the papers focuses specifically on stock markets in smaller countries, and none of them appear to be important enough to have inline citations in the article. Even if sourcing is improved, WP: TNT is relevant, and there would need to be a very compelling reason why this is easier to navigate than putting it in the main Stock exchange article. I also think the Keep vote above grossly exaggerates the quality of sourcing in the article. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 19:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 14:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete or Redirect to Stock exchange My knee-jerk reaction is that I would love to read an article about how the stock exchanges of small economies are different from regular stock exchanges. It sounds educative and super neat. Upon viewing the article itself, however, that's not what it does. Upon a cursory look, almost all the sources cover individual stock exchanges, not small-economy stock exchanges as a concept. This article is arguably WP:OR for that reason. An article on small-economy stock exchanges could benefit the encyclopedia and its readers, but this is not that article. Darkfrog24 ( talk) 19:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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