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BLP of the chair of a rotary club who is also a successful HR professional. I don’t see anything here to indicate notability.
Mccapra (
talk)
23:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
This article should be retained because of the following reasons;
Asking ourselves questions
If we were to determine notability using the criteria that you have followed then we would be asking our selves;
Is
Denis Toussaint Lesage is also notable or not? He was a successful deputy of his time
What is so special about that president of a certain country as there has been more presidents before him that have done great things?
What makes that CEO notable as their are people who have done what he has done.As in he founded a company but their are big companies than what he founded, etc
Does one being a member of a certain club, association or secret organisation make that person notable?
He is not just a HR professional at the NSSF Uganda, not everyone can be in that position. But he also won a top HR award in Uganda for his profession.
B722N (
talk)
03:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It’s true that New Vision and Daily Monitor mention him, but neither piece is in depth coverage of him and does not contribute in any way to demonstrating notability. Everything else we have for sourcing us either from organisations associated with the subject, or a non-notable award.
Mccapra (
talk)
06:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
One of the biggest challenges faced by African Wikipedians is getting in-depth references that talk about people they are writing about. Most of the content in the newspapers and books is just a paragraph or a sentence. Very few Ugandans have books written about them or entire newspaper pages dedicated to them.
I request that you check most of the Ugandan Wikipedia articles and check whether their references have entire pages dedicated to the people that have been written about. Most of that information comes from their personal or company websites which are mostly not written with Neutral Point of View. And then the information from those websites is backed up with those paragraphs and sentences that have been found the notable media sites and publications.
Even most of newspaper articles about the profile of a person is usually tagged as sponsored content and you know that as long as an article drives sales or generates clicks or they have been paid then they will have to publish it. And how many international media houses are going to write about the profiles of Ugandan people in depth from childhood to education to their careers. They will just write a paragraph about the career and working experience.
And for the awards, what makes the award notable?
Should we be only considering the
Grammy Awards or the
BET Awards as the notable awards and not the top Ugandan Awards that awards their Ugandan musicians.
Or we should only be considering the
Komla Dumor Award as the only notable award for journalists and not the awards that are given by the Uganda Journalists Association (UJA) because they are not recognized anywhere apart from Uganda.
I understand that we are doing the deletions to improve the quality of content on Wikipedia and that not everybody deserves to have a Wikipedia article since it is not an advertising platform.
And also you are not tagging these articles in bad faith but it is for the greater good. But how are we going to increase the African content on Wikipedia yet the articles written with the fewer references that are harder to get are also being deleted. If the article did follow guidelines such as
WP:NPOV or the
Wikipedia:Notability (people) or the tone was harsh.
I suggest that this article should be retained.
And also instead of deleting the published articles, they should be moved back to the draft space where someone can wait for 6 months before even getting a reference that writes about that person in depth. But at-least it gives the editors another chance to look deeper for the reference to find the new references that have written.
These kinds of deletions demotivate new editors, they will end up losing interest in contributing to the different projects of the Wikimedia Foundation especially if they tried to follow the guidelines for writing the articles about different topics.
B722N (
talk)
08:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Biographies of living people are one of the most challenging types of article. A lot get deleted because we have a very high threshold for notability where they're concerned. I’ve no doubt there are many articles to be written on Uganda-related topics, using ordinary newspapers and other sources, where they won’t be challenged - that’s why newer users are often advised to avoid BLPs to start with. I’ve no objection to this article being draftified if there are in fact better sources that will clearly demonstrate notability. But draftification is pointless unless those sources probably exist.
Mccapra (
talk)
12:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to see if we can get more participation. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!23:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. This article is a
WP:REFBOMB but not a single one provides
WP:SIGCOV of the subject. All available sources are
WP:PRIMARYSOURCES (corporate bio pages, self-authored material) or
WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS with a name-check or perhaps a photo caption. He seems like a terrific civic-minded local leader but there is no evidence the subject passes the requirements of
WP:GNG or
WP:NBIO. (As for the latter, an editor up-thread appears to say that Owor is listed in the Ugandan biographical dictionary, but there is no cite to that in the article and I cannot find that such a reference exists at all, much less that Owor is in it.)
Dclemens1971 (
talk)
04:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: HR professional and president of a rotary club with no indication of notability. Opened every single source cited in the article hoping to find reliable ones but turned out that no single one is reliable to support notability. From sources number one to ten in the article all except one are primary sources and a further look at all sources proved same. Subject fails
WP:GNG and
WP:NBASICEdnabrenze (
talk)
05:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Weak keep also : Not sure why there are profiles, but there appear to be
Il Sole 24 Ore covering his return from America,
il Fatto Quotidiano covering Italy 2030, what appears to be a
book review I'm not sure of the independence of. Along with another book review, these are the only independent reliable sources the book has. Given a couple news stories about him and a number of sources on his books, it seems reasonable to write a short article. He seems to be notable for maybe the Italy 2030 project and his popular books?
Given the large number of sources, I wonder if it's possible to show they pass
Wikipedia:Notability_(books)? That would pretty much resolve this debate, because this article would obviously contain the books. And given he has his own news sources, it seems reasonable to also discuss him.
This page is confusion as small economies are not defined and so would make more sense to create an article for each country instead. I don't see how this article can be kept up to date and what should be included, would countries go in and out over time as their economies change? The current content is out of date, which could be fixed, but it comes back to the purpose of this article. I feel the best solution at this stage is to delete it.
Sargdub (
talk)
07:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
delete This reads more like a college econ paper, and even if there is something there (and again, this comes across as topic, if it be viable, for the main
stock exchange article)
WP:TNT seems like the best solution.
Mangoe (
talk)
10:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
keep Article cites 4 research papers and 16 references on the very subject. The article could use some work, but it is obviously an important subject of study in both econ and development. On the criticism that it cannot stay up to date - how is it different than anything on wikipedia? Valuable start to a complex subject. Keep.
Spencerk (
talk)
12:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete or redirect to
Stock exchange: This can be discussed topic in a broader article, which should be easier to navigate for users anyway. Only one of the papers focuses specifically on stock markets in smaller countries, and none of them appear to be important enough to have inline citations in the article. Even if sourcing is improved,
WP: TNT is relevant, and there would need to be a very compelling reason why this is easier to navigate than putting it in the main
Stock exchange article. I also think the Keep vote above grossly exaggerates the quality of sourcing in the article.
HyperAccelerated (
talk)
19:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete or Redirect to
Stock exchange My knee-jerk reaction is that I would love to read an article about how the stock exchanges of small economies are different from regular stock exchanges. It sounds educative and super neat. Upon viewing the article itself, however, that's not what it does. Upon a cursory look, almost all the sources cover individual stock exchanges, not small-economy stock exchanges as a concept. This article is arguably
WP:OR for that reason. An article on small-economy stock exchanges could benefit the encyclopedia and its readers, but this is not that article.
Darkfrog24 (
talk)
19:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)reply
This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to Economics. It is one of many
deletion lists coordinated by
WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.
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WP:AFD. Similarly, removing an AfD from this page does not remove it from the main page at
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Edit this page and add {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PageName}} to the top of the list. Replace "PageName" with the relevant article name, i.e. the one on the existing AFD discussion. Also, indicate the title of the article in the edit summary as it is particularly helpful to add a link to the article in the edit summary. When you save the page, the discussion will automatically appear.
You should also tag the AfD by adding {{subst:delsort|Economics|~~~~}} to it, which will inform editors that it has been listed here. You may place this tag above or below the nomination statement or at the end of the discussion thread.
Closed AfD discussions are automatically removed by
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Further information
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WP:AfD for general information about Articles for Deletion, including a list of article deletions sorted by day of nomination.
Archived discussions (starting from September 2007) may be found at:
BLP of the chair of a rotary club who is also a successful HR professional. I don’t see anything here to indicate notability.
Mccapra (
talk)
23:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
This article should be retained because of the following reasons;
Asking ourselves questions
If we were to determine notability using the criteria that you have followed then we would be asking our selves;
Is
Denis Toussaint Lesage is also notable or not? He was a successful deputy of his time
What is so special about that president of a certain country as there has been more presidents before him that have done great things?
What makes that CEO notable as their are people who have done what he has done.As in he founded a company but their are big companies than what he founded, etc
Does one being a member of a certain club, association or secret organisation make that person notable?
He is not just a HR professional at the NSSF Uganda, not everyone can be in that position. But he also won a top HR award in Uganda for his profession.
B722N (
talk)
03:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It’s true that New Vision and Daily Monitor mention him, but neither piece is in depth coverage of him and does not contribute in any way to demonstrating notability. Everything else we have for sourcing us either from organisations associated with the subject, or a non-notable award.
Mccapra (
talk)
06:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
One of the biggest challenges faced by African Wikipedians is getting in-depth references that talk about people they are writing about. Most of the content in the newspapers and books is just a paragraph or a sentence. Very few Ugandans have books written about them or entire newspaper pages dedicated to them.
I request that you check most of the Ugandan Wikipedia articles and check whether their references have entire pages dedicated to the people that have been written about. Most of that information comes from their personal or company websites which are mostly not written with Neutral Point of View. And then the information from those websites is backed up with those paragraphs and sentences that have been found the notable media sites and publications.
Even most of newspaper articles about the profile of a person is usually tagged as sponsored content and you know that as long as an article drives sales or generates clicks or they have been paid then they will have to publish it. And how many international media houses are going to write about the profiles of Ugandan people in depth from childhood to education to their careers. They will just write a paragraph about the career and working experience.
And for the awards, what makes the award notable?
Should we be only considering the
Grammy Awards or the
BET Awards as the notable awards and not the top Ugandan Awards that awards their Ugandan musicians.
Or we should only be considering the
Komla Dumor Award as the only notable award for journalists and not the awards that are given by the Uganda Journalists Association (UJA) because they are not recognized anywhere apart from Uganda.
I understand that we are doing the deletions to improve the quality of content on Wikipedia and that not everybody deserves to have a Wikipedia article since it is not an advertising platform.
And also you are not tagging these articles in bad faith but it is for the greater good. But how are we going to increase the African content on Wikipedia yet the articles written with the fewer references that are harder to get are also being deleted. If the article did follow guidelines such as
WP:NPOV or the
Wikipedia:Notability (people) or the tone was harsh.
I suggest that this article should be retained.
And also instead of deleting the published articles, they should be moved back to the draft space where someone can wait for 6 months before even getting a reference that writes about that person in depth. But at-least it gives the editors another chance to look deeper for the reference to find the new references that have written.
These kinds of deletions demotivate new editors, they will end up losing interest in contributing to the different projects of the Wikimedia Foundation especially if they tried to follow the guidelines for writing the articles about different topics.
B722N (
talk)
08:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Biographies of living people are one of the most challenging types of article. A lot get deleted because we have a very high threshold for notability where they're concerned. I’ve no doubt there are many articles to be written on Uganda-related topics, using ordinary newspapers and other sources, where they won’t be challenged - that’s why newer users are often advised to avoid BLPs to start with. I’ve no objection to this article being draftified if there are in fact better sources that will clearly demonstrate notability. But draftification is pointless unless those sources probably exist.
Mccapra (
talk)
12:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to see if we can get more participation. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!23:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. This article is a
WP:REFBOMB but not a single one provides
WP:SIGCOV of the subject. All available sources are
WP:PRIMARYSOURCES (corporate bio pages, self-authored material) or
WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS with a name-check or perhaps a photo caption. He seems like a terrific civic-minded local leader but there is no evidence the subject passes the requirements of
WP:GNG or
WP:NBIO. (As for the latter, an editor up-thread appears to say that Owor is listed in the Ugandan biographical dictionary, but there is no cite to that in the article and I cannot find that such a reference exists at all, much less that Owor is in it.)
Dclemens1971 (
talk)
04:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: HR professional and president of a rotary club with no indication of notability. Opened every single source cited in the article hoping to find reliable ones but turned out that no single one is reliable to support notability. From sources number one to ten in the article all except one are primary sources and a further look at all sources proved same. Subject fails
WP:GNG and
WP:NBASICEdnabrenze (
talk)
05:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Weak keep also : Not sure why there are profiles, but there appear to be
Il Sole 24 Ore covering his return from America,
il Fatto Quotidiano covering Italy 2030, what appears to be a
book review I'm not sure of the independence of. Along with another book review, these are the only independent reliable sources the book has. Given a couple news stories about him and a number of sources on his books, it seems reasonable to write a short article. He seems to be notable for maybe the Italy 2030 project and his popular books?
Given the large number of sources, I wonder if it's possible to show they pass
Wikipedia:Notability_(books)? That would pretty much resolve this debate, because this article would obviously contain the books. And given he has his own news sources, it seems reasonable to also discuss him.
This page is confusion as small economies are not defined and so would make more sense to create an article for each country instead. I don't see how this article can be kept up to date and what should be included, would countries go in and out over time as their economies change? The current content is out of date, which could be fixed, but it comes back to the purpose of this article. I feel the best solution at this stage is to delete it.
Sargdub (
talk)
07:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
delete This reads more like a college econ paper, and even if there is something there (and again, this comes across as topic, if it be viable, for the main
stock exchange article)
WP:TNT seems like the best solution.
Mangoe (
talk)
10:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
keep Article cites 4 research papers and 16 references on the very subject. The article could use some work, but it is obviously an important subject of study in both econ and development. On the criticism that it cannot stay up to date - how is it different than anything on wikipedia? Valuable start to a complex subject. Keep.
Spencerk (
talk)
12:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete or redirect to
Stock exchange: This can be discussed topic in a broader article, which should be easier to navigate for users anyway. Only one of the papers focuses specifically on stock markets in smaller countries, and none of them appear to be important enough to have inline citations in the article. Even if sourcing is improved,
WP: TNT is relevant, and there would need to be a very compelling reason why this is easier to navigate than putting it in the main
Stock exchange article. I also think the Keep vote above grossly exaggerates the quality of sourcing in the article.
HyperAccelerated (
talk)
19:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete or Redirect to
Stock exchange My knee-jerk reaction is that I would love to read an article about how the stock exchanges of small economies are different from regular stock exchanges. It sounds educative and super neat. Upon viewing the article itself, however, that's not what it does. Upon a cursory look, almost all the sources cover individual stock exchanges, not small-economy stock exchanges as a concept. This article is arguably
WP:OR for that reason. An article on small-economy stock exchanges could benefit the encyclopedia and its readers, but this is not that article.
Darkfrog24 (
talk)
19:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)reply