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Is it possible (and needed) to implement special redirect pages that would keep its own title? For example article Nong Duc Manh is redirected to page Nông Đức Mạnh. But many support idea of using only English letters in title, as per one of the interpretations of WP:UE.
So my idea, in details is like this. If redirect page is categorized as keep_title, displayed page should have title of the page you wanted (i.e. Nong Duc Manh). Also text bellow should be changed to something like (Redirected to Nông Đức Mạnh). If it is not categorized like this, everything should be as it is.
There are many discussions on the topic "Should title use only English letters?". Argument pro is that this is English Wikipedia. Arguments againts are that Wikipedia is using Unicode and there are redirects. Not only at talk of the mentioned page, but take a look also at Talk:Kimi Räikkönen or Talk:Novak Đoković. I think this could end these discussions. Irić Igor -- Ирић Игор -- K♥S ( talk) 00:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello, i am wondering if it has ever been discussed the possibility to allow people to post articles (either in wikipedia or in a specific section -like wikifamilytree-) about the history of their families, including a family tree and pictures of their ancestors. This could become a very large repository of information about genealogy and ancestry. I have read that family history is one of the major hobbies among general population today, and growing. So far on wikipedia i have only seen articles about "blue and gold" families. Please let me know your opinion Adrian Comollo ( talk) 11:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is basically like a newspaper, or at least Wikinews is, I think it would be great to have a crossword at the home page.
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As no response in any shape or form was given to this proposal previously, I will post it again.
Park Crawler, otherwise known as 75.74.151.159 ( talk) 02:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Moved discussion to bottom. — Thomas H. Larsen 08:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I wish to announce Wikipedia:Factual review, a proposed system to factually review articles for accuracy. Please provide any constructive feedback, suggestions, comments, and objections that you might have. Best and friendly regards, — Thomas H. Larsen 08:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia has clearly established itself in the place of information. It will continue to be used by thousand upon millions looking for casual or common knowledge. Wikipedia's immediate inhibitor is the inability of those seeking to prove a thesis or write an essay or even question a teacher's claim to cite wikipedia. I have Professors who admit to using wikipedia, but will fail anyone who cites it. WE NEED CREDIBILITY before accessibility! -- Brogman ( talk) 04:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Please comment on the discussion at m:Top Ten Wikipedias. Waldir talk 19:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
How about a list of the ten top most visited articles on Wikipedia, just for curiosity's sake? Deus Maximus 375 ( talk) 22:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
It would be nice if when looking at a user's contributions, we could also see the date the account was created. This can be useful when deciding how to protect an article.
For example, if a user is pestering an article, and I see that said user has only edited today, then I may decide to semi-protect the article - only to find said user editing the article anyway - because said user actually created the account a long time ago. If I could see that said user created the account three months ago, then I wouldn't waste my time with a semi-protect, and I would take a different action. Kingturtle ( talk) 03:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
In reference to the bar that appears at the top of the page after clicking on a red link, that reads:
I think it should tell the creator about user subpages, or {{ underconstruction}}. WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN I push my hand up to the sky 12:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Reply on this talk page. -- Zanimum ( talk) 14:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
When someone edits a page, I think it would be a good idea for them to have the option to spell/grammar check the edit they are about to make, this would reduce the amount of unnoticed spelling and grammar mistakes which appear in wikipedia articles.
I appreciate that what I have just recommended isn't a minor change to wikipedia, but would be a significantly large project, however there are open source applications which algorithms could perhaps be used from (such as openoffice.org, and for dictionary's of words to use in a project such as this, people only really need to look as far as wicktionary).-- Dave ( talk) 18:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I thhink there should be a policy called be confident. You should always be confident of yourself AND other users, even if it looks like you would fail. This is an essential policy for maintaining a kind community. Nothing 444 19:55, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
We should definitely get Collaboration of the week back together. Could someone please help me accomplish this? Mm 40 Your Hancock Please
In addition, we should organize a huge one day/week/month/ long effort to get the Articles needing copyedit down. Any comments would be appreciated. Mm 40 Your Hancock Please
I have and I haven't gotten a response. Mm 40 Your Hancock Please
I propose adding an option to the filter that allows users to ignore edits with edit summaries, as those edits are generally constructive.-- Urban Rose 01:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
For every registered user should be option to enter a list of languages. Then when displaying an article, prominently (near the top of the Web page) should be shown if this article is also available in the languages from the user's list of languages.
Example: I would set for myself the list of languages consisting English and Russian. Then viewing the English article Russian Desman I would note that there is also Russian version of this article. In fact, currently the Russian version of this article is far more detailed than English one. So I would profit from viewing prominent notice that it is also available in Russian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Porton ( talk • contribs)
I realize that to implement this MediaWiki software need to be modified, but I think it's worth the cost.
li.interwiki-ru {font-weight:bold;}
in your
monobook.css which would make the link to the Russian version of the article bold, although it will stay in the languages box. If there's a particular place where you want the link, you could use javascript. You can ask at
Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Requests about this.
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As no response in any shape or form was given to this proposal previously, I will post it again.
Park Crawler, otherwise known as 69.141.213.16 ( talk) 20:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I would like to know so if nobody else has had a problem with this, but I think that Wikipedia requires a search function, as a slight misspelling of the topic you are looking for will often not return anything useful in the search results. Is there a good reason why Wikipedia cannot adopt a “Did you mean” function like Google has, perhaps by utilizing Google for searches? I commonly go to Google to find out how to spell something before searching for it in Wikipedia or Wiktionary because of this problem. Am I alone here, or can we do something about this? Celebere ( talk) 01:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
It may be that at some point in the future there will be a funding crisis. I know this a perennial, but I'd like to keep the discussion on this page for the time being and propose we as a community revisit the idea of advertising. I think there's two models that we could maybe look to adopt.
I'll just toss them out. I think we as a community need to tackle this idea. If we can agree some way forward on the issue, we can perhaps take it to the foundation. I appreciate there is a groundswell of opinion which fundamentally opposes advertising, but I think we have to explore the issue. If it was a choice between advertising and staying charitable, or private ownership, which way would you jump? Remember, this content we produce is free for anyone to use. We're giving this away. What are we all most committed to. What is the ideal which fundamentally unites us? Hiding T 09:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
You know how there are sample polls for the presidential election to see who do you think would win? What about a Sample RfA? Nothing 444 21:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I've formed a proposal that should help alleviate backlogs, reduce admin-burnout, and curb our increasing reliance on process, I would appreciate any comments on the talk page. Mr. Z-man 00:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
[name], will you marry me? ~~~~
Stephanie, will you marry me? -- 67.185.172.158 ( talk) 01:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Good morning,
I want to suggest you to include on the Wikipedia an "article rating system". So everyone that reads a Wikipedia article is able to rate it, good or bad. This will enable all Wikipedia users to have a quality indicator of the articles presented. Of course, it is important to show the amount of votes that have been submitted for each article so that users can evaluate the rating's reliability.
Best regards,
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201.153.90.8 (
talk) 02:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)Luis Villegas.
LVVL100@hotmail.com
Mexico.
Those who heard news on BBC Radio 4 tonight at six p.m. will have been informed how today (March 31 2008) Wikipedia saw creation of its ten millionth article, an article on Nicholas Hilliard in Hungarian. Surely this calls for celebration among Wikipedians? I was surprised to see that this fact was not mentioned, as far as I could see, on the Wikipedia Main Page (unless I missed it); I would have thought that it was worth at least a DYK feature there. Perhaps Wikipedians are people who are very modest! ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 21:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
So um... can I edit Barack Obama and/or Hillary Clinton to say something outrageous, like one of them pulled out, or that they agreed to call it a draw? I think that'd be the most awesome April Fools joke of them all, but I wonder if it's going too far, what with BLP and all. Equazcion •✗/ C • 02:47, 1 Apr 2008 (UTC)
I would like to expand Template:Bots to be compatible with all scripts to all users to opt out of receiving any or all notices produced by bots or scripts. A user can select to receive no messages at all, or specific no messages. That is, if a user wants to not receive any "no rationale" notices, they could put {{bots|nomessage=no rationale}} and then they don't get anymore. Standardizing the tags so it easier for bot owners and script writers to program would be needed but could quickly be done. We could change all the user notice messages to help spread the word, putting a little "Opt out of these messages?" link to the instructions on how to opt out.
So what the heck does this have to do with policy? WP:Bot policy only currently states under Guidelines: Bots which edit many pages, but may need to be prevented from editing particular pages, can do so by interpreting Template:Bots; see the template page for an explanation of how this works. I'm not aware of a scripting policy, but this would include scripts as well. I would like to require all bots and scripts that leave user messages to be required to honor these user opt out requests by May 1, 2008. (date negotiable, I figure 1 month should be sufficient to develop the system and give time for owners/writers to develop the code.) Any bot that is not compliant after this date will be disabled, and then required to reapply through WP:BOTREQ demonstrating they are compliant before having permission granted again. All new bots shall also be able to demonstrate they are compliant with the requirement. Scripts that are not compliant by May 1 will be blanked and the owner warned to become compliant or not use the script. To reiterate, this is only for bots and scripts that leave user notices which include, but are not limited to: orphaned fair use, no rationale, replaceable fair use, no source, no license/copyright, prod, IFD, AFD and xFD. Tags that a user cannot opt out of include, but are not limited to: Warning messages, copyright violations, and blocking messages. By a user placing the tag(s) on their own page, they would be stating they understand they may not receive a message for an image or article that may then be deleted. We could at the same time as advertising this, to advertise/recommend that users place images and articles they are interested in on their watchlist (stressing images, since it is less commonly done, to include images on articles they are interested in).
Why? I have been getting more frequent requests from users to stop leaving the messages on their talk pages, which is inconvenient for me using a script. Allowing users to opt out will increase Wiki happiness, reduce editing loads (bots/scripts won't have to save an edit to a user page, sometimes x10 or more). The only negatives I can see are that images (and other things) may be deleted with users not getting notified, but they would have accepted these consequences. We would help reduce this by suggesting using their watchlist as well. Another problem would be an editor vandalizing a user's talk page by including one of these opt out tags. Perhaps informing vandalism patrols that a user putting one of the opt out tags or changing an opt out tag on another user's talk page is to be considered vandalism and immediately removed/reverted would help. I don't think coding for this should be very difficult for anyone running a bot/writing a script. I personally would use this to stop receiving orphaned fair use messages. Many fair use images I reduced and it appears to bots/scripts that I am the uploader but I am not, so I get the message but I don't care. It would help save my sanity in stop receiving these messages, and requests (sometimes rude) to stop leaving messages on user's talk pages. MECU≈ talk 14:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:April Fools' Day. (No this is not a joke, this is very real). Majorly ( talk) 23:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I find it frustrating that wikipedia uses black text on a bright, white background, since this effectively turns the computer screen into a bright light. After a while this reading text like this becomes unpleasant, and could even have negative effects on vision. A webpage is not a sheet of paper, as much as we might want it to look like one. Would it be possible to add a feature allowing users to switch the colour scheme to white text on a black background, if they preferred, since this would solve the problem?
>"this effectively turns the computer screen into a bright light"
Shouldn't we have a court for resolving conflicts on Wikipedia. The users would be the jury. Nothing 444 17:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for these comments. I have now seen that if one goes to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#10_million_articles.3F_WOOHOO.21
one can read a very lively range of comments,debate and discussion on this topic - including many which say we should be proud of our achievment. By the way, I have also seen that if one goes to the article on Nicholas Hilliard and looks at its talk pages, one will find reference to the achievement. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 19:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
In addition, according to:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/10M_articles
the actual date was March 28 2008, even though the BBC did not report this achievement until March 31 2008 (unless any one can tell me that she or he heard an earlier news report than the one I heard). ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 19:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Just like we have Good Articles to recognize the reliable and well-written content on Wikipedia, it stands to reason that we recognize when an article is truly below any conceivable standard; in other words, meeting the "Bad Article Criteria". I think this would be especially valuable in that it points out the most dumbass of editors for later informal shunning by the mob community. Please post your thoughts on this. Thanks.
Equazcion
•✗/
C • 19:03, 1 Apr 2008 (UTC)
Basically the same idea as Recent Changes, but well, article creations. I don't know if Recent Changes displays creations, but I honestly think it would be a big help in easily finding articles that need to be tagged for deletion or approval. Something like this is possible right?— Dæ dαlus → quick link / Improve 10:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Would it be possible to amalgamate all the tags we currently have for clean up into one tag, which indicates where an article fails our encyclopedic standards? This would allow editors and readers to more readily identify the issues within an article and hopefully help move articles closer to FA status.
Now, looking at WP:FAC and WP:GACR it suggests our standards are:
I suggest we look at creating a template which can display which of those criteria an article does not meet, and then deprecate all others. This template would need the tagger to further outline the issues on the talk page, in the shape of a to-do list.
Hopefully this could move articles forwards towards FA status and also solve the issue of notability. We wouldn't need to debate notability any more. Articles would be tagged as not meeting our encyclopedic standards. Then we need to refocus AFD as being a debate about how to fix the article. That means we need to ignore any comment which does not engage in the debate, for example one word comments or people who make the same comment repeatedly in a vast number of debates. People need to identify why the article can never meet Wikipedia's standards, and why the information cannot be used in another article and therefore not merged, for an article to be deleted. This requires a huge sea change across Wikipedia, with everyone focussing upon the bigger picture, that of writing an encyclopedia together. We need to start working together on this project, focus our attention on the article space and focus our attention on our standards. We aren't judged so much on articles which are bad that we ourselves openly identify as bad. We aren't judged so much on how many articles we have on trivial topics. We aren't judged so much on any space other than article space. And what we are judged on, more than anything, is our ability to produce an encyclopedia. That's where we need to refocus our energies. That's where we need to devote our energies. We need a root and branch re-evaluation of our processes and toolset, and work out whether they focus our energies on creating an encyclopedia. Anything that doesn't needs to go. Anything which conflicts with the fact that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia needs to go. We need to set in stone the fundamental principles of WIkipedia, and stop endlessly debating them. Protect the policy pages. We need to take this project on. We've come a long way, but there is still a long way to go. We need to commit to the underlying principle of Wikipedia as best we can, and build the encyclopedia. We're not a talking shop. Okay. That's a lot of blather. Anyone want to figure out ways to take it forwards? Hiding T 09:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
template:cquote provides parameters for including the source and reference for the quote, but the placement of the attribution line is too far below the quote (leaving too much vertical space in the surrounding article) and too far to the right (it frequently ends up practically on the right margin). I think it would help to bring the attribution to the same right margin as the body of the quote. Elphion ( talk) 16:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
User:Erachima/test now has a version of the code with the buffer amounts adjusted. The top buffer was removed, and I added a right buffer of a few percent. Not perfect, but it's as good as you'll get without adding another #switch to adjust the buffering for each size case and should keep the things a bit further off the right margin. Any admins care to copy it over? -- erachima formerly tjstrf 10:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Comparison (old/new):
“ | Template coding is annoying and non-intuitive. | ” |
— User:Erachima, 10:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC) |
Notes towards analysis of inclusion precedent for media franchise elements.
That's a big improvement. Let's try another test. Elphion ( talk) 19:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
“ | Teeny quote. | ” |
— Long attribution line with my sig Elphion ( talk) 19:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC) |
Notes towards analysis of inclusion precedent for media franchise elements.
Looks like an anonymous benefactor has copied it over. Thanks! Elphion ( talk) 13:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
It was in my thought, I am now proposing this. The editors who have major contribution in the Second World War or related articles, can they create a n article title Possible consequences of Axis victory in Second World War? The article may be somewhat speculative, but surely there are scholarly works available on this. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 23:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I posted this at User talk:NicDumZ, but the author has thus far ignored it. I think it's important, so I'd like to see what people think here and then approach the author again.
I think this bot is a great idea and it works perfectly as far as I've seen. I just have one suggestion: I find that the link text this bot generates is actually less descriptive than the URL. The bot just uses the title of the page, which usually doesn't distinguish the link all that well from others in the reflist. For example, if there's an article on Joe Smith, sourced with a few different biographies on that person, the links would all read "Joe Smith bio", "the life of Joe Smith", or something similar. There isn't much to distinguish one from the other, especially as far as which are from reliable sources.
The most important thing about references isn't really the title of the page, but the root site they're located on. I wonder if you'd consider modifying your bot to include the root site address in addition to the page title -- for instance, something like "Title at Site.com" (Joe Smith bio at timemagazine.com). This would allow a casual glance of the reflist to reveal any unreliable sources, any glaring omissions of sources that should be there, etc.
Thanks and please let me know your thoughts. Equazcion •✗/ C • 23:00, 28 Mar 2008 (UTC)
READ ALL OF THIS. PLEASE. Sorry for that. This might sound crazy, but I have a question. Does wikipedia want:
1: Lots of lower quality articles touching any thing people might want to look up or
2: Very good articles about things people really want to know?
I'm asking this because many articles are just things that could be found just as easily in a more reliable place. So, if you answer two, I propose this. One day to week where we focus solely on improving articles and not making new ones. As I said, call me crazy, but I say 2 is my opinion. Any responses would be appreciated. Thanks. Me what do u want? Your Hancock Please
Wikipedia provides one of the most extensive user friendly information dat bases in the world. Scholars often frown on it's used becuase of the free access and abilty to update.
I am proposing that a peer review designation be established. Scholars could be invited to review subject matter and then provide a certification. the participation could be totally voluntary. A verification interface would be need so that users could contact the institution or association that certifies the reviewer is quanlified to make the scholarly review.
First the view: I think you should be careful on the views and the facts. I see some things that I look at are in fact more of views and are marketed as fact. Second the idea: I think it would be great to be able to a have audio wiki. What I mean is this. When I am driving or going somewhere for long distances, I can not read a book. If I could hear a live wiki while doing so, that would be great. Also a voice automated function could be applied. This would enable the user to search deeper into the subject. This could be done by voice command. The voice command would open the links that we usually click on, and we could hear them in our travels. I know I would like this. I don’t know if anybody else would? I don’t know if this is against your policy? Hope you look into it.
Moved to WP:VPR/Persistent proposals. Equazcion •✗/ C • 03:24, 7 Apr 2008 (UTC)
A pair of test edits where an editor, almost always an IP, makes an edit and then immediately self-reverts, leaves an article unchanged; the only effects are to add to the article history, and to clutter other editors' watchlists. I would prefer not to see such test edits by IPs cluttering up my watchlist. I would like to propose a new preference to enable editors to choose whether to show or hide such test edits by IPs from their Special:Watchlists. It might be excessive work for the MediaWiki developers to implement though. Is it a good idea? Would there be any negative effects? Should editors be allowed to make this choice for their watchlists? - Neparis ( talk) 18:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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(od) Oh, I agree it could be done in a gadget, though a gadget is just a script with official blessing, i.e. doing it by a gadget or a script imposes more load on the servers than implementing it in MediaWiki per Dragons Flight's suggestions. - Neparis ( talk) 02:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps when an article reaches FA class, it should be protected, vandals will usually seek out FAs and it will also protect from editors adding info that really subtracts from the FA. Doctor Will Thompson ( talk) 06:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Despite this being a "perennial" issue, the discussions only involve full and semi protection. I haven't found the discussion about move protection. Most articles making it through FAC have been reviewed enough that the name of the article is likely stable, so move protection doesn't seem like an obviously bad idea. Gimmetrow 19:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I recently wanted to refer someone to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (text formatting)#Foreign terms. There's currently no handy shortcut for that. I could make a redirect to that to that page#section, similar to the existing MOS:BOLD. Alternatively, I could make a shortcut to that page (perhaps WP:MOSTF) and refer people to WP:MOSTF#Foreign terms. It struck me, though, that it might be useful to have a template similar to :::::{{ Shortcut}} (perhaps named {{ Shortcut section}}) which could be placed at individual article sections to provide a shortcut target.
I've implemented a first-cut version of such a template and a demo of its envisioned usage — see User:Wtmitchell/Sandbox#FORN. Am I missing something here? Has this already been done under some name I'm not :::::aware of? Is there some reason I should not implement {{ Shortcut section}} and start using it in articles? -- Boracay Bill ( talk) 02:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
{{
shortcut|EVERYTHING}}
. I'll pursue that on
WT:Shortcut. --
Boracay Bill (
talk) 05:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Sorry, I'll go to different Village Pump. Nothing 444 Go Irish! 14:24, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
In the constant every day battle of Vandalism on Wikipedia, one user might find that its almost irritating that he/she cannot do what may need to be done to successfully revert vandalism he/she may come across. Such instances may be protecting a page, blocking a user, ect. I feel that established users (with criteria set forth) have access to certain tools i.e. page protection. Some may say that some users don't need access to this tool because he/she may not use it correctly. THEN REMOVE ACCESS TO IT FROM THE USERS ACCOUNT. I feel that with more tools avaliable, more can be done to make this Encylopedia better. Dusti talk to me 18:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
←One big advantage to this would be the ability to remove only the powers an admin uses abusively rather than completely desysopping them. Perhaps limited adminship could just be assigned at the discretion of ArbCom, and not through an RfX process. — Remember the dot ( talk) 17:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there any way that a message could be put on this page to remind editors who are patrolling to mark them as patrolled. It is very annoying when you click on a page and it has been patrolled already. Or maybe make the mark this page as patrolled bigger or move it to a more prominent position on the page. BigDunc ( talk) 17:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
{{
Uw-patrolled}}
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Fuhghettaboutit (
talk) 20:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)I have seen a lot of comments on pages like the Reference Desk, Help Desk, Village Pump, and Admnistrators' Noticeboard that identify a number of issues with the way these pages operate. The general problem is that they are used somewhat like forum threads, but the software does not support that usage very well. Some specific issues:
I have seen proposals (link?) to create each section as a sub-page, either when originally posted, or by a bot continually moving things around, but neither seems to have gained community consensus. I instead propose a bot that monitors such pages, and places notification messages on user talk pages under certain circumstances.
I'd like to get a feeling on the potential usefulness of such a tool without getting bogged down in the details, but for completeness I'll throw out a straw man.
Bovlb ( talk) 18:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Commonscat ( Template:Commonscat ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)) is a template to navigate from a wikipedia category/article to a related category at commons. I would like to add this template to a lot of categories. This has to advantages.
multichill ( talk) 17:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Bear with me because I am new to the process that drives the creation of Wikipedia. Yes, I speak of editing the project.
It occured to me first that articles under major construction could get greater simultaneous collaboration if people could use a JS-driven Wiki chat window to talk about changes and share insights. Of course, that is less-than-optimal because it costs resources to develop and we have user pages to list our IM handles.
So what would be better would be a template that we could easily propagate throughout the wiki that links to a person's IM stored in their User Page. Instead of having to look, you'd know who was editing it and could start an IM easily. Ictionary ( talk) 02:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I suggest we make this and official sister of wikipedia. – i123Pie bio contribs 14:51, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
<span class="plainlinks">[http://wikifood.scribblewiki.com/ wikfoods]</span>
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Hello. I am making a proposal for the indecent picture on the striptease article to be removed. It is of a woman at the end of her "tease", and is quite indecent. I want this to be taken off the site because this is a site for people to learn things, not see that kind of stuff. If no one seems to care, then I will take the picture off myself. Thanks. Sakuraluver ( talk) 23:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Sakuraluver 19:11, 8 April 2008
I'd like to recommend adding links to the corresponding articles in different languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.154.123 ( talk) 22:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
is the frustrated question MANY Wikipedia topic pages leave me asking. i am not an idiot. i am not uneducated. i am not ignorant. i even know some things. a little bit of too much knowledge here and there. i was a tech person for years and still am forced to geek my way through things that should not be so dense. Still, i find so many pages fail to do the ONE BASIC THING an Encyclopedia entry is supposed to do: Tell the reader WHAT THE ENTRY IS/MEANS.
Dysamoria ( talk) 04:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Dysamoria, I have came across the same problem myself a few times (being that an article does not state what the subject is). One possible solution (which only works sometimes) is when viewing the article page you are having trouble with, go to the rightmost side of the page and look for the languages bar, scroll down until/if you see a link that says Simple English. Click on the link and read the article in Simple English, usually the articles there are much more to-the-point and downright. The only drawback is that we only have a few articles in Simple English and you may not find the article. Don't forget to edit the regular English article and fix it after reading the SE version. -- penubag ( talk) 03:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Per the proposal at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 22#Archive links by default in talkheader template, and subsequent discussion at Template talk:Talkheader#Please see my proposed change at VPR. , it is now planned to modify {{ talkheader}} so that it will automatically include links to archives, if the archives are named with the standard of Archive 1, Archive 2, etc. This will, in most cases, eliminate the need for a separate archive box template on an article talk page. There was general agreement that this was a good idea, and all technical problems seem to have been worked out.
Because this change will affect more than 70,000 talk pages, I'm posting this "final notice"; if anyone can see any technical or other problems with the proposal, please speak up . Otherwise, an admin will probably make the change in three days or so from now, and the change will start appearing. (Template changes don't take affect immediately, everywhere, for performance and other reasons, so the change will take some time to propagate to all affected pages.)
(Any comments should go on the Template talk:Talkheader page, please.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 14:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
(Note: moved section to bottom, it was moving near the top and this is an important topic. If this discussion gets much larger, I suggest moving it to a page of its own. Best and friendly regards, — Thomas H. Larsen 09:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC))
So Stable versions, as you all know, is currently in test mode. It will not be turned on until there is a community consensus as to how it will be implemented. So currently, in my mind, there are these questions:
Did I miss anything? Personally, I would like it turned on and have any article be reviewed. Although some might argue this takes away from the spirit of the wiki, this would better for us in the long run. The Placebo Effect ( talk) 16:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I am opposed to applying stable versions to the English wikipedia at this point in time, as I would like to be cautious. Stable versions severely alters the wiki model, so no one really knows what will happen (though people are making both positive and negative predictions).
The German wikipedia is the first wiki likely to implement stable versions. I would like to monitor performance of that wiki for 6-12 months before we consider applying stable versions to the English wikipedia. That way, only 1 wiki will be in trouble if stable versions turns out to have negative effects.
Note that standards, guidelines and processes document existing best practices. As we currently have none, and shouldn't have any for at least the next 12 months, the second part of the question can be answered with "we have nothing to document at this point in time".
-- Kim Bruning ( talk) 18:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm fundamentally opposed to adding more classes of users, or giving more roles to administrators, and think doing either would be an extremely bad thing, especially as administration should be a housekeeping task, not being able to make decisions over the quality of articles. Whatsmore, the current implementation is the ugliest, least intuitive design in the history of web development and its ugliness is enough to put me off implementing it on enwiki - Halo ( talk) 01:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd say that stable versions would take all the fun out of wikipedia. -- Chris 1,000,001 ( talk) 23:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
In Russian Wikipedia there is a group of users who is eager to turn this feature on (it's called "Verification of Articles" there).
Despite the currently-ongoing discussion/poll shows that many users fear that this feature would harm the spirit of wiki, we can reasonably argue that the following reflects the public opinion:
If you are interested in more comments, please ask! Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 08:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there any objection to start rolling out this feature only' as a replacement for semi-protection. It might be good to discuss one issue at the time, so I ask: is there at least universal consensus that flagging is more welcoming for anonymous contributors than semi-protection? -- Vesal ( talk) 14:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
It is worth noting that Flagged Revisions isn't just about what content is displayed online. It is also about identifying versions of articles that are of high quality and can then be recommended for use in offline media like DVD or print versions of Wikipedia. Dragons flight ( talk) 19:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I would like to clear up a misconception that I have seen some people have about this process. We can have sighted versions of all articles, regardless of quality or controvertibility without compromising our wiki principles if the sighted version is not the default viewed by IPs. By having sighted versions, we give every article a button telling readers that the article they are reading might be vandalised or unreferenced, but that they can click here to see a version that is definatly clean (though it might be shorter than the current version). We need only make the sighted or assessed version the default view for IPs when the article would have otherwise been protected from editing. That way, everyone can edit the most controversial of articles without them being in a constant state of vandalism. In this way, it makes our FA/GA/BLP articles more like wikis while making our other articles have the option of being more reliable. -- Arctic Gnome ( talk • contribs) 00:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
While I understand the need for stable versions on controversial articles this principal goes against the fundamental element of the wiki and in the long run may threaten its very existence. The controversial articles generally have a cadre of editors protecting them and perhaps we could assign/volunteer editors for FA's. Garycompugeek ( talk) 19:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I move that flagged revisions be enabled over all articles.
If you see flagged revisions as a system to solely preserve accuracy and coverage once it is achieved, then yes, flagged revisions should be enabled only on FAs, GAs, and perhaps BLPs. However, if you see flagged revisions as a system to preserve, and create, and facilitate the creation of accuracy and coverage, as I do, then it makes logical sense to enable flagged revisions over all English Wikipedia articles.
Articles which receive reasonably high traffic (numbers of views) should be flagged in order to (a) preserve accuracy and coverage, and to (b) stop blatant vandalism (the "YOU SUCK!" sort) from appearing to readers. Articles which receive low or medium levels of traffic should be flagged to stop discreet vandalism (changes of the number "7" to "8", for example) from slipping out to readers.
In my experience, as traffic levels of articles decrease, the number of inappropriate editors per number of readers increases. Thus, flagged revisions are probably required more on low-traffic articles (in other words, not the majority of GAs and FAs) than on high-traffic articles (which most GAs and FAs are).
The worst that enabling flagged revisions on all articles could do would be to make low-traffic articles update much more slowly, and even this is not much of an issue:
As a philosophical reason, the first and foremost principle of the English Wikipedia is to provide a reliable encyclopedic informational resource to all people. Reliability, which consists of accuracy, coverage, and stability, is not just an ethical plus: it is a fundamental, essential, necessary moral principle for any resource which calls itself objective, informational, and free, and always has been. If we have a way to improve reliability in any way, and this way does not interfere with the "everyone can edit" and the "information should be free" principles, we should pursue it.
I suggest that we pursue this way of improving the English Wikipedia's reliability through enabling flagged revisions on all articles, since it has major obvious benefits, no major obvious downsides, and does not conflict with the objectivity, informational aspect, or freedom that forms the basis of the English Wikipedia.
Actually, though, the question of how flagged revisions should be enabled isn't really up to the writers of the English Wikipedia. After all, as logged-in account-holding editors we are nearly always going to see the current revision of articles anyway, and we should be designing the English Wikipedia primarily for readers, not writers. I suggest (a) that we set up a temporary voting site on the Wikimedia servers which accepts yes-or-no votes regarding whether or not flagged revisions should be enabled over all or over just some English Wikipedia articles (and asks a voting question such as, "Would you prefer (a) all articles to update more slowly, but be more reliable, or (b) some articles to update more slowly and be more reliable, but the rest to remain as they are?"), (b) that the aforementioned system accept only one vote per IP address, and (c) that a notice should appear at the top of all English Wikipedia articles to all logged-out readers inviting them to vote. This system would permit even writers to vote, but would primarily reach a reader audience.
Best and friendly regards, — Thomas H. Larsen 09:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
By the way, I support the stable revision of articles being displayed by default to logged-out readers of the English Wikipedia. Imagine educating all Wikipedia readers how to get the stable revision :-/. Reliability should be default. — Thomas H. Larsen 09:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Why is it considered ok to use a season as a time, eg "SomeMovie is expected in Summer 2009?" Summer happens in different months in different places. Such temporal ambiguity shouldn't be tolerated in an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.174.230 ( talk) 10:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
When people link to large pages (i.e. this one), it takes a long time to load, even if we're only concerned with a single section. I propose we add a view section option, which can be accessed by, for example, a link like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29§ion=14
This way, users can access a single section without having to load the whole page. Paired with the oldid query, I think it should work even after archiving. As for an easy way to link, I don't know. The [] links allow one to edit a section, but I haven't thought of an easier way to link to view a single section. Any ideas? — Bob • ( talk) • 19:52, April 6, 2008 (UTC)
A better solution is to go back to not allowing really big articles. Plus having an easy way to view only one section. 199.125.109.104 ( talk) 16:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Various templates and articles use the ISO 639 language codes but it confuses me whether to use ISO 639-1, 2 or 3. Is there any rule concerning that and if not shouldn't one be made? -- Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson ( talk) 13:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
The economic basis for the academic's life is dependent on publishing papers. If they want to join a reputable institution, they have to become famous too. How can they do that, well all they need to do is to tell people: "so far you all thought that a matter was like this, now I tell you that you were all wrong" and then come up with a new theory. This is not so bad when it comes to empirical sciences because one can do new experiments BUT when it comes to history new data would not be created everyday. The original sources are all there.
So, how do the academic live? Academics are very lucky that most of the history is not sufficiently well sourced (and it is the academics themselves who define "sufficient"). Here is what makes academics look innocent: if something happens today, witnesses after some time start saying different things; what can we then say about something that happened thousands of years ago. This sad truth has given the academics enough flexibility to create their own curious theories, to project their own cultural tendencies and secular views back into the history.
The academic biases and shortcomings show itself most vividly in religous historiography. The academic don't have to openly express their underlying assumptions; it goes implicitly into their writings and evaluations. Suppose the academic is living in a society that is obsessed with something, the academic would then imposes his/her this in his/her scholarship of the past.
Let's take the example of someone wanting to write a biography of a figure like Muhammad or Jesus or other ancient figure. For that matter, the scholar has to first create a rough overall image of the figure. It is then under the light of this overall image that the scholar proceeds to evaluate which reports are sound, and how the sound ones should be interpreted. The formation of that rough overall image does not, and can not, be merely based on the early written reports of the figure. Much of it consciously or unconsciously comes from the underlying biases of the established intellectual tradition of the time, the scholar's own values and his cultural values, plus his own past experiences putting aside the politics. Please note that I am not claiming that the religous biographies are completely free from such distortions but there is a difference that I will point out in the solution section.
To cite another example I'd like to draw the attention towards the relation of scholarship and politics is very obvious. Here is a quote from Journal of Semitic Studies, Oxford University Press:
The relationships between the Jews and the Arabs throughout history have been the subject of numerous studies over many centuries. However, as long as the continuous Arab-Israeli conflict has not found a solution, historians will search through the past in order to find new evidence to prove the antiquity of the tension between the two communities and to illuminate its causes. The vicissitudes which have marked the lives of the Jews who lived under Arab rule or side-by-side with Muslims add to the complexity of the issue, and a great many of the assertions about Arab-Jewish relations made by scholars and amateurs alike are sheer speculation. This is particularly true of writers who strongly identify with either camp and have become emotionally involved in the subject. Consequently, the views they usually hold are often unbalanced, if not biased.
I have found such criticisms of academic approach to religous studies are found in serious apologetic texts of many religions.
I think the main wrong underlying assumption in the academic works is that knowledge is of one form and that is all that can be written on the paper, and in third person perspective (not personal). The knowledge and wisdom gained through experience has no value unless it can be written on the paper so that even a computer can check it. Most scientific works tend to minimize the role of the audience in the process of learning. In the eastern mode of thought however the person has to travel a path, reach some form of purification, enlightenment or whatever it may be called in order to be able to see the truth. Certain traditions have had much emphasis on the role of spiritual teacher in acquisition of knowledge. Such a perspective is seriously important when it comes to religious studies.
Wikipedia articles, as of now, are systematically biased because their representation of religous topics are so different from the way the religions traditions themselves represent themselves through an emphasis on practical advices, do-and-don'ts, rituals, or manuals. This is the way Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and in fact "non-philosophers" have looked at it(note: I am aware of the involved technicalities here- these religions say that understanding is granted from God to man as a gift merely by God's mercy). If I want to learn about a religous topic, I need to learn something about it, then do something from what I have learned, then learn something more, ... and back and forth. In Wikipedia therefore when we write about Christianity, I think, we should tell something about God's love in a section, then finish it with some concrete things one can do to understand it better, like say "forgiving others". This way, one can learn how Christians deduce the life style from the concept of "God's love". For Islam, it is "Tawhid" (unity of God) that replaces Love in Christianity but it is essentially same thing. The Qur'an like all other religous traditions puts emphasis on this aspect of understanding saying "None shall touch it except the purified" (Qur'an 56:79).
Now, my suggestion is that we create "practical advice/manual" boxes whenever appropriate in the religion related articles and make wikipedia articles more engaging. We can even have separate wiki named "wiki-practical-menus" just as we have "wiki-source" and other wikis.
I want to end my proposal with a poem from Rumi who said something in relation to the philosophers of his time that can be more accurately applied to current academia:
"The rationalists' legs are wooden
Wooden legs are very fragile.
Cheers, -- Be happy!! ( talk) 09:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I vaguely understand what Aminz is suggesting. The problem is, particularly in the case of religion, there are no set standards that can be applied as to what the beliefs are, and how they should be represented. For example, there are between 15,000 and 40,000 sects of Christianity, all with different views about how to interpret the bible, or what version of the bible to use, or what books are included in the bible. They disagree with each other drastically, but proponents of each will claim only their sect is correct, and the article must be written from the viewpoint of their sect.
The same is true of other religions. Islam also has a large number of sects that disagree with each other. Is Salafism the same as Wahabism? Some say yes, some say no. Is Salafism really Islam? Some say yes, some say no. Are the Sufis Moslems? Some say yes, some say no. The Ismailis? Some say yes, some say no. The Sufis? Some say yes, some say no. Which hadiths should be followed? Which are most important? How should they be interpreted? What is allegorical and purely figurative, and what is literal? What does jihad really mean? Are Moslem husbands required to beat their wives are not? Some Imams say yes and some say no. Who can issue a fatwah and who must follow it? Is honor killing part of Islam or not? Is female circumcision? Are women allowed to be educated in Islam or not? Are images of Mohammed permitted or not? Were they ever permitted? The deeper you investigate all of these questions, the more complicated it becomes. There is immense disagreement and evidence on various sides of each of these issues.
The only way to deal with this is to take a neutral dispassionate view, as much as possible (although it is never totally possible). One can point out who believes what, and how these beliefs hae changed over time. One can cite sources so that the reader can dig in deeper and come to their own understanding. It is best to try to present ALL the relevant views and beliefs that are notable, and not try to decide which is the "right" view. Some might find this offensive, but Wikipedia is not a proselytizing tool or a religious tract. It aspires to be a scholarly examination of assorted topics. If this offends some, that is regrettable but unavoidable.-- Filll ( talk) 15:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Well that is all very well and good. But I think it is impractical and unrealistic to suggest such a thing here. By that measure, we should probably erase every single article about every single religion because no one will ever agree on who has the right sort of experience to write any of these articles.
And one could probably extrapolate from this principle to many other kinds of articles on other subjects. We cannot write an encyclopedia like this. Sorry, but I do not think this will work.-- Filll ( talk) 02:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't think I fully understand this proposal fully. Are you proposing that we make wikipedia articles on religion proselytize? Or are you saying we should remove all criticism of religion from wikipedia, present only the good about religion? Both of the previous, I would object to. Or are you proposing something else, and I just don't understand you are proposing?
Yahel
Guhan 05:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
<- Perhaps the issue is best addressed through a combination of templates and wikilinks. Majoreditor ( talk) 01:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
The "email to a friend" concept is not new, but it is missing from Wikipedia.
-Christopher James Jenyns, B. A. 10 April 2008 AD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.226.174 ( talk) 10:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
We already have this feature, see: {{ Email}} -- penubag ( talk) 05:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
A while back, i made a suggestion on Wikipedia_talk:Stable_versions#Semi-automation_-_recent_stable_version_detector for a mechanism i called a "recent stable version detector". I've now looked at it from a different perspective and realized that it could be used as a simple vandalism filter for anonoymous / logged-out viewers (which will also filter out edit wars). The idea is simple. Each revision of an article is scored according to a simple formula:
The revision with the highest such score is the revision that the public will see (i.e. non-logged in users).
The effect of this would be to impose a small delay between when a revision is made and when that revision is published publicly. Revisions that lasted a relatively shorte amount of time before being revised again will be "skipped". Thus, vandalism that is quickly caught by a logged-in user or recent change patroller is vandalism that the public will never see.
Similarly, all the quick flips back and forth between two versions of an article in an edit war will be "skipped".
This mechanism wouldn't require any user intervention, wouldn't interfere with any existing processes, and will alway show the public a relatively stable, vandalism free, and current revision. Kevin Baas talk 18:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately I've come to this conclusion.
m:Foundation issues states that one of the fundamental principles of Wikipedia and one that is essentially beyond debate is that anyone should be able to edit WikiMedia projects without registering. Period. Unfortunately, if this is one of Wikipedia's core principles, what it truly means is that article creation should be allowed for anons, and no pages should be protected or semi-protected. This means that IPs should be allowed to edit the main page, high risk templates, everything. Wikipedia isn't "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, unless you're anon, in which case you can't edit the
Main Page,
penis,
Template:Uw-vandalism4im, etc." As you can tell, I don't think that this is what Wikipedia should do, but if not requiring registration in order to edit is one of Wikipedia's non-debatable principles, then I think that Wikipedia has to do this if it wants to be true to it's principles. I know that there's no way that this is going to happen, and I'm glad it's not, so my true point of view is that Wikipedia's core principles need to be amended to reflect reality. Please note that this is not the same as me saying, "the software needs to be changed so that anons aren't allowed to edit", but this idea that even suggesting it is out of harmony with Wikipedia's core principles needs to be gotten rid of (which it will, once Wikipedia's core principles are updated so that what is practiced is also what is preached). I know that I'm a lone voice in a crowd here but I'm being true to myself by saying this. Maybe I should just find a different site to contribute to.--
Urban
Rose 02:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I want to first of all appreciate the efforts of the Volunteers who have kept Wikipedia Encyclopaedia running. The service is very useful and apt.
However, I have just observed in the content and discussion on Transport Geography, the omission of Pipeline as a mode/means of transportation. I do not intend to blame anyone for this omission because it is common in literature to overlook the critical role of Pipeline Transportation especially in the conveyance of oil and gas from oilfields to refineries and from refineries to final destination either for consumption or export purposes. Therefore, I do wish to advocate that pipeline should be added as a mode/means of transportation.
Overcoming spatial disparity in the location of oil and gas resources, all over the world, is usually done through pipelines. In the US for instance, there about 1.9 miles of pipeline right-of-way transporting gas and oil, from within and outside the country. Likewise in Nigeria, there is close to 8,000km length of pipeline (offshore and onshore) transporting oil and gas across board. I do hope my humble submission is considered and accepted.
Thanks for the anticipated understanding and cooperation.
Best wishes,
Babatunde Anifowose Doctoral Researcher Email: [removed]
Hi!
Some Special_pages (e.g. Special:Disambiguations) are very tedious to examine and in very many cases not all the entries are viewable. Wikipedia seems to have outgrown these pages. And Disambiguations doesn't even appear to be one of the current data dumps.
If these pages had a link (i.e. to the latest data dump/Disambiguations.) to directly download the relevant data, those data would be actually useful.
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Is it possible (and needed) to implement special redirect pages that would keep its own title? For example article Nong Duc Manh is redirected to page Nông Đức Mạnh. But many support idea of using only English letters in title, as per one of the interpretations of WP:UE.
So my idea, in details is like this. If redirect page is categorized as keep_title, displayed page should have title of the page you wanted (i.e. Nong Duc Manh). Also text bellow should be changed to something like (Redirected to Nông Đức Mạnh). If it is not categorized like this, everything should be as it is.
There are many discussions on the topic "Should title use only English letters?". Argument pro is that this is English Wikipedia. Arguments againts are that Wikipedia is using Unicode and there are redirects. Not only at talk of the mentioned page, but take a look also at Talk:Kimi Räikkönen or Talk:Novak Đoković. I think this could end these discussions. Irić Igor -- Ирић Игор -- K♥S ( talk) 00:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello, i am wondering if it has ever been discussed the possibility to allow people to post articles (either in wikipedia or in a specific section -like wikifamilytree-) about the history of their families, including a family tree and pictures of their ancestors. This could become a very large repository of information about genealogy and ancestry. I have read that family history is one of the major hobbies among general population today, and growing. So far on wikipedia i have only seen articles about "blue and gold" families. Please let me know your opinion Adrian Comollo ( talk) 11:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is basically like a newspaper, or at least Wikinews is, I think it would be great to have a crossword at the home page.
I made this cool
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As no response in any shape or form was given to this proposal previously, I will post it again.
Park Crawler, otherwise known as 75.74.151.159 ( talk) 02:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Moved discussion to bottom. — Thomas H. Larsen 08:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I wish to announce Wikipedia:Factual review, a proposed system to factually review articles for accuracy. Please provide any constructive feedback, suggestions, comments, and objections that you might have. Best and friendly regards, — Thomas H. Larsen 08:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia has clearly established itself in the place of information. It will continue to be used by thousand upon millions looking for casual or common knowledge. Wikipedia's immediate inhibitor is the inability of those seeking to prove a thesis or write an essay or even question a teacher's claim to cite wikipedia. I have Professors who admit to using wikipedia, but will fail anyone who cites it. WE NEED CREDIBILITY before accessibility! -- Brogman ( talk) 04:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Please comment on the discussion at m:Top Ten Wikipedias. Waldir talk 19:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
How about a list of the ten top most visited articles on Wikipedia, just for curiosity's sake? Deus Maximus 375 ( talk) 22:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
It would be nice if when looking at a user's contributions, we could also see the date the account was created. This can be useful when deciding how to protect an article.
For example, if a user is pestering an article, and I see that said user has only edited today, then I may decide to semi-protect the article - only to find said user editing the article anyway - because said user actually created the account a long time ago. If I could see that said user created the account three months ago, then I wouldn't waste my time with a semi-protect, and I would take a different action. Kingturtle ( talk) 03:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
In reference to the bar that appears at the top of the page after clicking on a red link, that reads:
I think it should tell the creator about user subpages, or {{ underconstruction}}. WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN I push my hand up to the sky 12:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Reply on this talk page. -- Zanimum ( talk) 14:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
When someone edits a page, I think it would be a good idea for them to have the option to spell/grammar check the edit they are about to make, this would reduce the amount of unnoticed spelling and grammar mistakes which appear in wikipedia articles.
I appreciate that what I have just recommended isn't a minor change to wikipedia, but would be a significantly large project, however there are open source applications which algorithms could perhaps be used from (such as openoffice.org, and for dictionary's of words to use in a project such as this, people only really need to look as far as wicktionary).-- Dave ( talk) 18:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I thhink there should be a policy called be confident. You should always be confident of yourself AND other users, even if it looks like you would fail. This is an essential policy for maintaining a kind community. Nothing 444 19:55, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
We should definitely get Collaboration of the week back together. Could someone please help me accomplish this? Mm 40 Your Hancock Please
In addition, we should organize a huge one day/week/month/ long effort to get the Articles needing copyedit down. Any comments would be appreciated. Mm 40 Your Hancock Please
I have and I haven't gotten a response. Mm 40 Your Hancock Please
I propose adding an option to the filter that allows users to ignore edits with edit summaries, as those edits are generally constructive.-- Urban Rose 01:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
For every registered user should be option to enter a list of languages. Then when displaying an article, prominently (near the top of the Web page) should be shown if this article is also available in the languages from the user's list of languages.
Example: I would set for myself the list of languages consisting English and Russian. Then viewing the English article Russian Desman I would note that there is also Russian version of this article. In fact, currently the Russian version of this article is far more detailed than English one. So I would profit from viewing prominent notice that it is also available in Russian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Porton ( talk • contribs)
I realize that to implement this MediaWiki software need to be modified, but I think it's worth the cost.
li.interwiki-ru {font-weight:bold;}
in your
monobook.css which would make the link to the Russian version of the article bold, although it will stay in the languages box. If there's a particular place where you want the link, you could use javascript. You can ask at
Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Requests about this.
Tra
(Talk) 17:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
As no response in any shape or form was given to this proposal previously, I will post it again.
Park Crawler, otherwise known as 69.141.213.16 ( talk) 20:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I would like to know so if nobody else has had a problem with this, but I think that Wikipedia requires a search function, as a slight misspelling of the topic you are looking for will often not return anything useful in the search results. Is there a good reason why Wikipedia cannot adopt a “Did you mean” function like Google has, perhaps by utilizing Google for searches? I commonly go to Google to find out how to spell something before searching for it in Wikipedia or Wiktionary because of this problem. Am I alone here, or can we do something about this? Celebere ( talk) 01:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
It may be that at some point in the future there will be a funding crisis. I know this a perennial, but I'd like to keep the discussion on this page for the time being and propose we as a community revisit the idea of advertising. I think there's two models that we could maybe look to adopt.
I'll just toss them out. I think we as a community need to tackle this idea. If we can agree some way forward on the issue, we can perhaps take it to the foundation. I appreciate there is a groundswell of opinion which fundamentally opposes advertising, but I think we have to explore the issue. If it was a choice between advertising and staying charitable, or private ownership, which way would you jump? Remember, this content we produce is free for anyone to use. We're giving this away. What are we all most committed to. What is the ideal which fundamentally unites us? Hiding T 09:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
You know how there are sample polls for the presidential election to see who do you think would win? What about a Sample RfA? Nothing 444 21:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I've formed a proposal that should help alleviate backlogs, reduce admin-burnout, and curb our increasing reliance on process, I would appreciate any comments on the talk page. Mr. Z-man 00:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
[name], will you marry me? ~~~~
Stephanie, will you marry me? -- 67.185.172.158 ( talk) 01:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Good morning,
I want to suggest you to include on the Wikipedia an "article rating system". So everyone that reads a Wikipedia article is able to rate it, good or bad. This will enable all Wikipedia users to have a quality indicator of the articles presented. Of course, it is important to show the amount of votes that have been submitted for each article so that users can evaluate the rating's reliability.
Best regards,
--
201.153.90.8 (
talk) 02:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)Luis Villegas.
LVVL100@hotmail.com
Mexico.
Those who heard news on BBC Radio 4 tonight at six p.m. will have been informed how today (March 31 2008) Wikipedia saw creation of its ten millionth article, an article on Nicholas Hilliard in Hungarian. Surely this calls for celebration among Wikipedians? I was surprised to see that this fact was not mentioned, as far as I could see, on the Wikipedia Main Page (unless I missed it); I would have thought that it was worth at least a DYK feature there. Perhaps Wikipedians are people who are very modest! ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 21:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
So um... can I edit Barack Obama and/or Hillary Clinton to say something outrageous, like one of them pulled out, or that they agreed to call it a draw? I think that'd be the most awesome April Fools joke of them all, but I wonder if it's going too far, what with BLP and all. Equazcion •✗/ C • 02:47, 1 Apr 2008 (UTC)
I would like to expand Template:Bots to be compatible with all scripts to all users to opt out of receiving any or all notices produced by bots or scripts. A user can select to receive no messages at all, or specific no messages. That is, if a user wants to not receive any "no rationale" notices, they could put {{bots|nomessage=no rationale}} and then they don't get anymore. Standardizing the tags so it easier for bot owners and script writers to program would be needed but could quickly be done. We could change all the user notice messages to help spread the word, putting a little "Opt out of these messages?" link to the instructions on how to opt out.
So what the heck does this have to do with policy? WP:Bot policy only currently states under Guidelines: Bots which edit many pages, but may need to be prevented from editing particular pages, can do so by interpreting Template:Bots; see the template page for an explanation of how this works. I'm not aware of a scripting policy, but this would include scripts as well. I would like to require all bots and scripts that leave user messages to be required to honor these user opt out requests by May 1, 2008. (date negotiable, I figure 1 month should be sufficient to develop the system and give time for owners/writers to develop the code.) Any bot that is not compliant after this date will be disabled, and then required to reapply through WP:BOTREQ demonstrating they are compliant before having permission granted again. All new bots shall also be able to demonstrate they are compliant with the requirement. Scripts that are not compliant by May 1 will be blanked and the owner warned to become compliant or not use the script. To reiterate, this is only for bots and scripts that leave user notices which include, but are not limited to: orphaned fair use, no rationale, replaceable fair use, no source, no license/copyright, prod, IFD, AFD and xFD. Tags that a user cannot opt out of include, but are not limited to: Warning messages, copyright violations, and blocking messages. By a user placing the tag(s) on their own page, they would be stating they understand they may not receive a message for an image or article that may then be deleted. We could at the same time as advertising this, to advertise/recommend that users place images and articles they are interested in on their watchlist (stressing images, since it is less commonly done, to include images on articles they are interested in).
Why? I have been getting more frequent requests from users to stop leaving the messages on their talk pages, which is inconvenient for me using a script. Allowing users to opt out will increase Wiki happiness, reduce editing loads (bots/scripts won't have to save an edit to a user page, sometimes x10 or more). The only negatives I can see are that images (and other things) may be deleted with users not getting notified, but they would have accepted these consequences. We would help reduce this by suggesting using their watchlist as well. Another problem would be an editor vandalizing a user's talk page by including one of these opt out tags. Perhaps informing vandalism patrols that a user putting one of the opt out tags or changing an opt out tag on another user's talk page is to be considered vandalism and immediately removed/reverted would help. I don't think coding for this should be very difficult for anyone running a bot/writing a script. I personally would use this to stop receiving orphaned fair use messages. Many fair use images I reduced and it appears to bots/scripts that I am the uploader but I am not, so I get the message but I don't care. It would help save my sanity in stop receiving these messages, and requests (sometimes rude) to stop leaving messages on user's talk pages. MECU≈ talk 14:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:April Fools' Day. (No this is not a joke, this is very real). Majorly ( talk) 23:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I find it frustrating that wikipedia uses black text on a bright, white background, since this effectively turns the computer screen into a bright light. After a while this reading text like this becomes unpleasant, and could even have negative effects on vision. A webpage is not a sheet of paper, as much as we might want it to look like one. Would it be possible to add a feature allowing users to switch the colour scheme to white text on a black background, if they preferred, since this would solve the problem?
>"this effectively turns the computer screen into a bright light"
Shouldn't we have a court for resolving conflicts on Wikipedia. The users would be the jury. Nothing 444 17:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for these comments. I have now seen that if one goes to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#10_million_articles.3F_WOOHOO.21
one can read a very lively range of comments,debate and discussion on this topic - including many which say we should be proud of our achievment. By the way, I have also seen that if one goes to the article on Nicholas Hilliard and looks at its talk pages, one will find reference to the achievement. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 19:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
In addition, according to:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/10M_articles
the actual date was March 28 2008, even though the BBC did not report this achievement until March 31 2008 (unless any one can tell me that she or he heard an earlier news report than the one I heard). ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 19:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Just like we have Good Articles to recognize the reliable and well-written content on Wikipedia, it stands to reason that we recognize when an article is truly below any conceivable standard; in other words, meeting the "Bad Article Criteria". I think this would be especially valuable in that it points out the most dumbass of editors for later informal shunning by the mob community. Please post your thoughts on this. Thanks.
Equazcion
•✗/
C • 19:03, 1 Apr 2008 (UTC)
Basically the same idea as Recent Changes, but well, article creations. I don't know if Recent Changes displays creations, but I honestly think it would be a big help in easily finding articles that need to be tagged for deletion or approval. Something like this is possible right?— Dæ dαlus → quick link / Improve 10:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Would it be possible to amalgamate all the tags we currently have for clean up into one tag, which indicates where an article fails our encyclopedic standards? This would allow editors and readers to more readily identify the issues within an article and hopefully help move articles closer to FA status.
Now, looking at WP:FAC and WP:GACR it suggests our standards are:
I suggest we look at creating a template which can display which of those criteria an article does not meet, and then deprecate all others. This template would need the tagger to further outline the issues on the talk page, in the shape of a to-do list.
Hopefully this could move articles forwards towards FA status and also solve the issue of notability. We wouldn't need to debate notability any more. Articles would be tagged as not meeting our encyclopedic standards. Then we need to refocus AFD as being a debate about how to fix the article. That means we need to ignore any comment which does not engage in the debate, for example one word comments or people who make the same comment repeatedly in a vast number of debates. People need to identify why the article can never meet Wikipedia's standards, and why the information cannot be used in another article and therefore not merged, for an article to be deleted. This requires a huge sea change across Wikipedia, with everyone focussing upon the bigger picture, that of writing an encyclopedia together. We need to start working together on this project, focus our attention on the article space and focus our attention on our standards. We aren't judged so much on articles which are bad that we ourselves openly identify as bad. We aren't judged so much on how many articles we have on trivial topics. We aren't judged so much on any space other than article space. And what we are judged on, more than anything, is our ability to produce an encyclopedia. That's where we need to refocus our energies. That's where we need to devote our energies. We need a root and branch re-evaluation of our processes and toolset, and work out whether they focus our energies on creating an encyclopedia. Anything that doesn't needs to go. Anything which conflicts with the fact that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia needs to go. We need to set in stone the fundamental principles of WIkipedia, and stop endlessly debating them. Protect the policy pages. We need to take this project on. We've come a long way, but there is still a long way to go. We need to commit to the underlying principle of Wikipedia as best we can, and build the encyclopedia. We're not a talking shop. Okay. That's a lot of blather. Anyone want to figure out ways to take it forwards? Hiding T 09:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
template:cquote provides parameters for including the source and reference for the quote, but the placement of the attribution line is too far below the quote (leaving too much vertical space in the surrounding article) and too far to the right (it frequently ends up practically on the right margin). I think it would help to bring the attribution to the same right margin as the body of the quote. Elphion ( talk) 16:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
User:Erachima/test now has a version of the code with the buffer amounts adjusted. The top buffer was removed, and I added a right buffer of a few percent. Not perfect, but it's as good as you'll get without adding another #switch to adjust the buffering for each size case and should keep the things a bit further off the right margin. Any admins care to copy it over? -- erachima formerly tjstrf 10:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Comparison (old/new):
“ | Template coding is annoying and non-intuitive. | ” |
— User:Erachima, 10:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC) |
Notes towards analysis of inclusion precedent for media franchise elements.
That's a big improvement. Let's try another test. Elphion ( talk) 19:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
“ | Teeny quote. | ” |
— Long attribution line with my sig Elphion ( talk) 19:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC) |
Notes towards analysis of inclusion precedent for media franchise elements.
Looks like an anonymous benefactor has copied it over. Thanks! Elphion ( talk) 13:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
It was in my thought, I am now proposing this. The editors who have major contribution in the Second World War or related articles, can they create a n article title Possible consequences of Axis victory in Second World War? The article may be somewhat speculative, but surely there are scholarly works available on this. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 23:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I posted this at User talk:NicDumZ, but the author has thus far ignored it. I think it's important, so I'd like to see what people think here and then approach the author again.
I think this bot is a great idea and it works perfectly as far as I've seen. I just have one suggestion: I find that the link text this bot generates is actually less descriptive than the URL. The bot just uses the title of the page, which usually doesn't distinguish the link all that well from others in the reflist. For example, if there's an article on Joe Smith, sourced with a few different biographies on that person, the links would all read "Joe Smith bio", "the life of Joe Smith", or something similar. There isn't much to distinguish one from the other, especially as far as which are from reliable sources.
The most important thing about references isn't really the title of the page, but the root site they're located on. I wonder if you'd consider modifying your bot to include the root site address in addition to the page title -- for instance, something like "Title at Site.com" (Joe Smith bio at timemagazine.com). This would allow a casual glance of the reflist to reveal any unreliable sources, any glaring omissions of sources that should be there, etc.
Thanks and please let me know your thoughts. Equazcion •✗/ C • 23:00, 28 Mar 2008 (UTC)
READ ALL OF THIS. PLEASE. Sorry for that. This might sound crazy, but I have a question. Does wikipedia want:
1: Lots of lower quality articles touching any thing people might want to look up or
2: Very good articles about things people really want to know?
I'm asking this because many articles are just things that could be found just as easily in a more reliable place. So, if you answer two, I propose this. One day to week where we focus solely on improving articles and not making new ones. As I said, call me crazy, but I say 2 is my opinion. Any responses would be appreciated. Thanks. Me what do u want? Your Hancock Please
Wikipedia provides one of the most extensive user friendly information dat bases in the world. Scholars often frown on it's used becuase of the free access and abilty to update.
I am proposing that a peer review designation be established. Scholars could be invited to review subject matter and then provide a certification. the participation could be totally voluntary. A verification interface would be need so that users could contact the institution or association that certifies the reviewer is quanlified to make the scholarly review.
First the view: I think you should be careful on the views and the facts. I see some things that I look at are in fact more of views and are marketed as fact. Second the idea: I think it would be great to be able to a have audio wiki. What I mean is this. When I am driving or going somewhere for long distances, I can not read a book. If I could hear a live wiki while doing so, that would be great. Also a voice automated function could be applied. This would enable the user to search deeper into the subject. This could be done by voice command. The voice command would open the links that we usually click on, and we could hear them in our travels. I know I would like this. I don’t know if anybody else would? I don’t know if this is against your policy? Hope you look into it.
Moved to WP:VPR/Persistent proposals. Equazcion •✗/ C • 03:24, 7 Apr 2008 (UTC)
A pair of test edits where an editor, almost always an IP, makes an edit and then immediately self-reverts, leaves an article unchanged; the only effects are to add to the article history, and to clutter other editors' watchlists. I would prefer not to see such test edits by IPs cluttering up my watchlist. I would like to propose a new preference to enable editors to choose whether to show or hide such test edits by IPs from their Special:Watchlists. It might be excessive work for the MediaWiki developers to implement though. Is it a good idea? Would there be any negative effects? Should editors be allowed to make this choice for their watchlists? - Neparis ( talk) 18:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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(od) Oh, I agree it could be done in a gadget, though a gadget is just a script with official blessing, i.e. doing it by a gadget or a script imposes more load on the servers than implementing it in MediaWiki per Dragons Flight's suggestions. - Neparis ( talk) 02:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps when an article reaches FA class, it should be protected, vandals will usually seek out FAs and it will also protect from editors adding info that really subtracts from the FA. Doctor Will Thompson ( talk) 06:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Despite this being a "perennial" issue, the discussions only involve full and semi protection. I haven't found the discussion about move protection. Most articles making it through FAC have been reviewed enough that the name of the article is likely stable, so move protection doesn't seem like an obviously bad idea. Gimmetrow 19:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I recently wanted to refer someone to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (text formatting)#Foreign terms. There's currently no handy shortcut for that. I could make a redirect to that to that page#section, similar to the existing MOS:BOLD. Alternatively, I could make a shortcut to that page (perhaps WP:MOSTF) and refer people to WP:MOSTF#Foreign terms. It struck me, though, that it might be useful to have a template similar to :::::{{ Shortcut}} (perhaps named {{ Shortcut section}}) which could be placed at individual article sections to provide a shortcut target.
I've implemented a first-cut version of such a template and a demo of its envisioned usage — see User:Wtmitchell/Sandbox#FORN. Am I missing something here? Has this already been done under some name I'm not :::::aware of? Is there some reason I should not implement {{ Shortcut section}} and start using it in articles? -- Boracay Bill ( talk) 02:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
{{
shortcut|EVERYTHING}}
. I'll pursue that on
WT:Shortcut. --
Boracay Bill (
talk) 05:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Sorry, I'll go to different Village Pump. Nothing 444 Go Irish! 14:24, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
In the constant every day battle of Vandalism on Wikipedia, one user might find that its almost irritating that he/she cannot do what may need to be done to successfully revert vandalism he/she may come across. Such instances may be protecting a page, blocking a user, ect. I feel that established users (with criteria set forth) have access to certain tools i.e. page protection. Some may say that some users don't need access to this tool because he/she may not use it correctly. THEN REMOVE ACCESS TO IT FROM THE USERS ACCOUNT. I feel that with more tools avaliable, more can be done to make this Encylopedia better. Dusti talk to me 18:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
←One big advantage to this would be the ability to remove only the powers an admin uses abusively rather than completely desysopping them. Perhaps limited adminship could just be assigned at the discretion of ArbCom, and not through an RfX process. — Remember the dot ( talk) 17:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there any way that a message could be put on this page to remind editors who are patrolling to mark them as patrolled. It is very annoying when you click on a page and it has been patrolled already. Or maybe make the mark this page as patrolled bigger or move it to a more prominent position on the page. BigDunc ( talk) 17:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
{{
Uw-patrolled}}
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Fuhghettaboutit (
talk) 20:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)I have seen a lot of comments on pages like the Reference Desk, Help Desk, Village Pump, and Admnistrators' Noticeboard that identify a number of issues with the way these pages operate. The general problem is that they are used somewhat like forum threads, but the software does not support that usage very well. Some specific issues:
I have seen proposals (link?) to create each section as a sub-page, either when originally posted, or by a bot continually moving things around, but neither seems to have gained community consensus. I instead propose a bot that monitors such pages, and places notification messages on user talk pages under certain circumstances.
I'd like to get a feeling on the potential usefulness of such a tool without getting bogged down in the details, but for completeness I'll throw out a straw man.
Bovlb ( talk) 18:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Commonscat ( Template:Commonscat ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)) is a template to navigate from a wikipedia category/article to a related category at commons. I would like to add this template to a lot of categories. This has to advantages.
multichill ( talk) 17:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Bear with me because I am new to the process that drives the creation of Wikipedia. Yes, I speak of editing the project.
It occured to me first that articles under major construction could get greater simultaneous collaboration if people could use a JS-driven Wiki chat window to talk about changes and share insights. Of course, that is less-than-optimal because it costs resources to develop and we have user pages to list our IM handles.
So what would be better would be a template that we could easily propagate throughout the wiki that links to a person's IM stored in their User Page. Instead of having to look, you'd know who was editing it and could start an IM easily. Ictionary ( talk) 02:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I suggest we make this and official sister of wikipedia. – i123Pie bio contribs 14:51, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
<span class="plainlinks">[http://wikifood.scribblewiki.com/ wikfoods]</span>
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Fuhghettaboutit (
talk) 22:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I am making a proposal for the indecent picture on the striptease article to be removed. It is of a woman at the end of her "tease", and is quite indecent. I want this to be taken off the site because this is a site for people to learn things, not see that kind of stuff. If no one seems to care, then I will take the picture off myself. Thanks. Sakuraluver ( talk) 23:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Sakuraluver 19:11, 8 April 2008
I'd like to recommend adding links to the corresponding articles in different languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.154.123 ( talk) 22:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
is the frustrated question MANY Wikipedia topic pages leave me asking. i am not an idiot. i am not uneducated. i am not ignorant. i even know some things. a little bit of too much knowledge here and there. i was a tech person for years and still am forced to geek my way through things that should not be so dense. Still, i find so many pages fail to do the ONE BASIC THING an Encyclopedia entry is supposed to do: Tell the reader WHAT THE ENTRY IS/MEANS.
Dysamoria ( talk) 04:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Dysamoria, I have came across the same problem myself a few times (being that an article does not state what the subject is). One possible solution (which only works sometimes) is when viewing the article page you are having trouble with, go to the rightmost side of the page and look for the languages bar, scroll down until/if you see a link that says Simple English. Click on the link and read the article in Simple English, usually the articles there are much more to-the-point and downright. The only drawback is that we only have a few articles in Simple English and you may not find the article. Don't forget to edit the regular English article and fix it after reading the SE version. -- penubag ( talk) 03:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Per the proposal at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 22#Archive links by default in talkheader template, and subsequent discussion at Template talk:Talkheader#Please see my proposed change at VPR. , it is now planned to modify {{ talkheader}} so that it will automatically include links to archives, if the archives are named with the standard of Archive 1, Archive 2, etc. This will, in most cases, eliminate the need for a separate archive box template on an article talk page. There was general agreement that this was a good idea, and all technical problems seem to have been worked out.
Because this change will affect more than 70,000 talk pages, I'm posting this "final notice"; if anyone can see any technical or other problems with the proposal, please speak up . Otherwise, an admin will probably make the change in three days or so from now, and the change will start appearing. (Template changes don't take affect immediately, everywhere, for performance and other reasons, so the change will take some time to propagate to all affected pages.)
(Any comments should go on the Template talk:Talkheader page, please.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 14:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
(Note: moved section to bottom, it was moving near the top and this is an important topic. If this discussion gets much larger, I suggest moving it to a page of its own. Best and friendly regards, — Thomas H. Larsen 09:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC))
So Stable versions, as you all know, is currently in test mode. It will not be turned on until there is a community consensus as to how it will be implemented. So currently, in my mind, there are these questions:
Did I miss anything? Personally, I would like it turned on and have any article be reviewed. Although some might argue this takes away from the spirit of the wiki, this would better for us in the long run. The Placebo Effect ( talk) 16:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I am opposed to applying stable versions to the English wikipedia at this point in time, as I would like to be cautious. Stable versions severely alters the wiki model, so no one really knows what will happen (though people are making both positive and negative predictions).
The German wikipedia is the first wiki likely to implement stable versions. I would like to monitor performance of that wiki for 6-12 months before we consider applying stable versions to the English wikipedia. That way, only 1 wiki will be in trouble if stable versions turns out to have negative effects.
Note that standards, guidelines and processes document existing best practices. As we currently have none, and shouldn't have any for at least the next 12 months, the second part of the question can be answered with "we have nothing to document at this point in time".
-- Kim Bruning ( talk) 18:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm fundamentally opposed to adding more classes of users, or giving more roles to administrators, and think doing either would be an extremely bad thing, especially as administration should be a housekeeping task, not being able to make decisions over the quality of articles. Whatsmore, the current implementation is the ugliest, least intuitive design in the history of web development and its ugliness is enough to put me off implementing it on enwiki - Halo ( talk) 01:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd say that stable versions would take all the fun out of wikipedia. -- Chris 1,000,001 ( talk) 23:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
In Russian Wikipedia there is a group of users who is eager to turn this feature on (it's called "Verification of Articles" there).
Despite the currently-ongoing discussion/poll shows that many users fear that this feature would harm the spirit of wiki, we can reasonably argue that the following reflects the public opinion:
If you are interested in more comments, please ask! Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 08:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there any objection to start rolling out this feature only' as a replacement for semi-protection. It might be good to discuss one issue at the time, so I ask: is there at least universal consensus that flagging is more welcoming for anonymous contributors than semi-protection? -- Vesal ( talk) 14:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
It is worth noting that Flagged Revisions isn't just about what content is displayed online. It is also about identifying versions of articles that are of high quality and can then be recommended for use in offline media like DVD or print versions of Wikipedia. Dragons flight ( talk) 19:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I would like to clear up a misconception that I have seen some people have about this process. We can have sighted versions of all articles, regardless of quality or controvertibility without compromising our wiki principles if the sighted version is not the default viewed by IPs. By having sighted versions, we give every article a button telling readers that the article they are reading might be vandalised or unreferenced, but that they can click here to see a version that is definatly clean (though it might be shorter than the current version). We need only make the sighted or assessed version the default view for IPs when the article would have otherwise been protected from editing. That way, everyone can edit the most controversial of articles without them being in a constant state of vandalism. In this way, it makes our FA/GA/BLP articles more like wikis while making our other articles have the option of being more reliable. -- Arctic Gnome ( talk • contribs) 00:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
While I understand the need for stable versions on controversial articles this principal goes against the fundamental element of the wiki and in the long run may threaten its very existence. The controversial articles generally have a cadre of editors protecting them and perhaps we could assign/volunteer editors for FA's. Garycompugeek ( talk) 19:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I move that flagged revisions be enabled over all articles.
If you see flagged revisions as a system to solely preserve accuracy and coverage once it is achieved, then yes, flagged revisions should be enabled only on FAs, GAs, and perhaps BLPs. However, if you see flagged revisions as a system to preserve, and create, and facilitate the creation of accuracy and coverage, as I do, then it makes logical sense to enable flagged revisions over all English Wikipedia articles.
Articles which receive reasonably high traffic (numbers of views) should be flagged in order to (a) preserve accuracy and coverage, and to (b) stop blatant vandalism (the "YOU SUCK!" sort) from appearing to readers. Articles which receive low or medium levels of traffic should be flagged to stop discreet vandalism (changes of the number "7" to "8", for example) from slipping out to readers.
In my experience, as traffic levels of articles decrease, the number of inappropriate editors per number of readers increases. Thus, flagged revisions are probably required more on low-traffic articles (in other words, not the majority of GAs and FAs) than on high-traffic articles (which most GAs and FAs are).
The worst that enabling flagged revisions on all articles could do would be to make low-traffic articles update much more slowly, and even this is not much of an issue:
As a philosophical reason, the first and foremost principle of the English Wikipedia is to provide a reliable encyclopedic informational resource to all people. Reliability, which consists of accuracy, coverage, and stability, is not just an ethical plus: it is a fundamental, essential, necessary moral principle for any resource which calls itself objective, informational, and free, and always has been. If we have a way to improve reliability in any way, and this way does not interfere with the "everyone can edit" and the "information should be free" principles, we should pursue it.
I suggest that we pursue this way of improving the English Wikipedia's reliability through enabling flagged revisions on all articles, since it has major obvious benefits, no major obvious downsides, and does not conflict with the objectivity, informational aspect, or freedom that forms the basis of the English Wikipedia.
Actually, though, the question of how flagged revisions should be enabled isn't really up to the writers of the English Wikipedia. After all, as logged-in account-holding editors we are nearly always going to see the current revision of articles anyway, and we should be designing the English Wikipedia primarily for readers, not writers. I suggest (a) that we set up a temporary voting site on the Wikimedia servers which accepts yes-or-no votes regarding whether or not flagged revisions should be enabled over all or over just some English Wikipedia articles (and asks a voting question such as, "Would you prefer (a) all articles to update more slowly, but be more reliable, or (b) some articles to update more slowly and be more reliable, but the rest to remain as they are?"), (b) that the aforementioned system accept only one vote per IP address, and (c) that a notice should appear at the top of all English Wikipedia articles to all logged-out readers inviting them to vote. This system would permit even writers to vote, but would primarily reach a reader audience.
Best and friendly regards, — Thomas H. Larsen 09:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
By the way, I support the stable revision of articles being displayed by default to logged-out readers of the English Wikipedia. Imagine educating all Wikipedia readers how to get the stable revision :-/. Reliability should be default. — Thomas H. Larsen 09:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Why is it considered ok to use a season as a time, eg "SomeMovie is expected in Summer 2009?" Summer happens in different months in different places. Such temporal ambiguity shouldn't be tolerated in an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.174.230 ( talk) 10:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
When people link to large pages (i.e. this one), it takes a long time to load, even if we're only concerned with a single section. I propose we add a view section option, which can be accessed by, for example, a link like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29§ion=14
This way, users can access a single section without having to load the whole page. Paired with the oldid query, I think it should work even after archiving. As for an easy way to link, I don't know. The [] links allow one to edit a section, but I haven't thought of an easier way to link to view a single section. Any ideas? — Bob • ( talk) • 19:52, April 6, 2008 (UTC)
A better solution is to go back to not allowing really big articles. Plus having an easy way to view only one section. 199.125.109.104 ( talk) 16:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Various templates and articles use the ISO 639 language codes but it confuses me whether to use ISO 639-1, 2 or 3. Is there any rule concerning that and if not shouldn't one be made? -- Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson ( talk) 13:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
The economic basis for the academic's life is dependent on publishing papers. If they want to join a reputable institution, they have to become famous too. How can they do that, well all they need to do is to tell people: "so far you all thought that a matter was like this, now I tell you that you were all wrong" and then come up with a new theory. This is not so bad when it comes to empirical sciences because one can do new experiments BUT when it comes to history new data would not be created everyday. The original sources are all there.
So, how do the academic live? Academics are very lucky that most of the history is not sufficiently well sourced (and it is the academics themselves who define "sufficient"). Here is what makes academics look innocent: if something happens today, witnesses after some time start saying different things; what can we then say about something that happened thousands of years ago. This sad truth has given the academics enough flexibility to create their own curious theories, to project their own cultural tendencies and secular views back into the history.
The academic biases and shortcomings show itself most vividly in religous historiography. The academic don't have to openly express their underlying assumptions; it goes implicitly into their writings and evaluations. Suppose the academic is living in a society that is obsessed with something, the academic would then imposes his/her this in his/her scholarship of the past.
Let's take the example of someone wanting to write a biography of a figure like Muhammad or Jesus or other ancient figure. For that matter, the scholar has to first create a rough overall image of the figure. It is then under the light of this overall image that the scholar proceeds to evaluate which reports are sound, and how the sound ones should be interpreted. The formation of that rough overall image does not, and can not, be merely based on the early written reports of the figure. Much of it consciously or unconsciously comes from the underlying biases of the established intellectual tradition of the time, the scholar's own values and his cultural values, plus his own past experiences putting aside the politics. Please note that I am not claiming that the religous biographies are completely free from such distortions but there is a difference that I will point out in the solution section.
To cite another example I'd like to draw the attention towards the relation of scholarship and politics is very obvious. Here is a quote from Journal of Semitic Studies, Oxford University Press:
The relationships between the Jews and the Arabs throughout history have been the subject of numerous studies over many centuries. However, as long as the continuous Arab-Israeli conflict has not found a solution, historians will search through the past in order to find new evidence to prove the antiquity of the tension between the two communities and to illuminate its causes. The vicissitudes which have marked the lives of the Jews who lived under Arab rule or side-by-side with Muslims add to the complexity of the issue, and a great many of the assertions about Arab-Jewish relations made by scholars and amateurs alike are sheer speculation. This is particularly true of writers who strongly identify with either camp and have become emotionally involved in the subject. Consequently, the views they usually hold are often unbalanced, if not biased.
I have found such criticisms of academic approach to religous studies are found in serious apologetic texts of many religions.
I think the main wrong underlying assumption in the academic works is that knowledge is of one form and that is all that can be written on the paper, and in third person perspective (not personal). The knowledge and wisdom gained through experience has no value unless it can be written on the paper so that even a computer can check it. Most scientific works tend to minimize the role of the audience in the process of learning. In the eastern mode of thought however the person has to travel a path, reach some form of purification, enlightenment or whatever it may be called in order to be able to see the truth. Certain traditions have had much emphasis on the role of spiritual teacher in acquisition of knowledge. Such a perspective is seriously important when it comes to religious studies.
Wikipedia articles, as of now, are systematically biased because their representation of religous topics are so different from the way the religions traditions themselves represent themselves through an emphasis on practical advices, do-and-don'ts, rituals, or manuals. This is the way Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and in fact "non-philosophers" have looked at it(note: I am aware of the involved technicalities here- these religions say that understanding is granted from God to man as a gift merely by God's mercy). If I want to learn about a religous topic, I need to learn something about it, then do something from what I have learned, then learn something more, ... and back and forth. In Wikipedia therefore when we write about Christianity, I think, we should tell something about God's love in a section, then finish it with some concrete things one can do to understand it better, like say "forgiving others". This way, one can learn how Christians deduce the life style from the concept of "God's love". For Islam, it is "Tawhid" (unity of God) that replaces Love in Christianity but it is essentially same thing. The Qur'an like all other religous traditions puts emphasis on this aspect of understanding saying "None shall touch it except the purified" (Qur'an 56:79).
Now, my suggestion is that we create "practical advice/manual" boxes whenever appropriate in the religion related articles and make wikipedia articles more engaging. We can even have separate wiki named "wiki-practical-menus" just as we have "wiki-source" and other wikis.
I want to end my proposal with a poem from Rumi who said something in relation to the philosophers of his time that can be more accurately applied to current academia:
"The rationalists' legs are wooden
Wooden legs are very fragile.
Cheers, -- Be happy!! ( talk) 09:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I vaguely understand what Aminz is suggesting. The problem is, particularly in the case of religion, there are no set standards that can be applied as to what the beliefs are, and how they should be represented. For example, there are between 15,000 and 40,000 sects of Christianity, all with different views about how to interpret the bible, or what version of the bible to use, or what books are included in the bible. They disagree with each other drastically, but proponents of each will claim only their sect is correct, and the article must be written from the viewpoint of their sect.
The same is true of other religions. Islam also has a large number of sects that disagree with each other. Is Salafism the same as Wahabism? Some say yes, some say no. Is Salafism really Islam? Some say yes, some say no. Are the Sufis Moslems? Some say yes, some say no. The Ismailis? Some say yes, some say no. The Sufis? Some say yes, some say no. Which hadiths should be followed? Which are most important? How should they be interpreted? What is allegorical and purely figurative, and what is literal? What does jihad really mean? Are Moslem husbands required to beat their wives are not? Some Imams say yes and some say no. Who can issue a fatwah and who must follow it? Is honor killing part of Islam or not? Is female circumcision? Are women allowed to be educated in Islam or not? Are images of Mohammed permitted or not? Were they ever permitted? The deeper you investigate all of these questions, the more complicated it becomes. There is immense disagreement and evidence on various sides of each of these issues.
The only way to deal with this is to take a neutral dispassionate view, as much as possible (although it is never totally possible). One can point out who believes what, and how these beliefs hae changed over time. One can cite sources so that the reader can dig in deeper and come to their own understanding. It is best to try to present ALL the relevant views and beliefs that are notable, and not try to decide which is the "right" view. Some might find this offensive, but Wikipedia is not a proselytizing tool or a religious tract. It aspires to be a scholarly examination of assorted topics. If this offends some, that is regrettable but unavoidable.-- Filll ( talk) 15:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Well that is all very well and good. But I think it is impractical and unrealistic to suggest such a thing here. By that measure, we should probably erase every single article about every single religion because no one will ever agree on who has the right sort of experience to write any of these articles.
And one could probably extrapolate from this principle to many other kinds of articles on other subjects. We cannot write an encyclopedia like this. Sorry, but I do not think this will work.-- Filll ( talk) 02:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't think I fully understand this proposal fully. Are you proposing that we make wikipedia articles on religion proselytize? Or are you saying we should remove all criticism of religion from wikipedia, present only the good about religion? Both of the previous, I would object to. Or are you proposing something else, and I just don't understand you are proposing?
Yahel
Guhan 05:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
<- Perhaps the issue is best addressed through a combination of templates and wikilinks. Majoreditor ( talk) 01:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
The "email to a friend" concept is not new, but it is missing from Wikipedia.
-Christopher James Jenyns, B. A. 10 April 2008 AD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.226.174 ( talk) 10:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
We already have this feature, see: {{ Email}} -- penubag ( talk) 05:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
A while back, i made a suggestion on Wikipedia_talk:Stable_versions#Semi-automation_-_recent_stable_version_detector for a mechanism i called a "recent stable version detector". I've now looked at it from a different perspective and realized that it could be used as a simple vandalism filter for anonoymous / logged-out viewers (which will also filter out edit wars). The idea is simple. Each revision of an article is scored according to a simple formula:
The revision with the highest such score is the revision that the public will see (i.e. non-logged in users).
The effect of this would be to impose a small delay between when a revision is made and when that revision is published publicly. Revisions that lasted a relatively shorte amount of time before being revised again will be "skipped". Thus, vandalism that is quickly caught by a logged-in user or recent change patroller is vandalism that the public will never see.
Similarly, all the quick flips back and forth between two versions of an article in an edit war will be "skipped".
This mechanism wouldn't require any user intervention, wouldn't interfere with any existing processes, and will alway show the public a relatively stable, vandalism free, and current revision. Kevin Baas talk 18:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately I've come to this conclusion.
m:Foundation issues states that one of the fundamental principles of Wikipedia and one that is essentially beyond debate is that anyone should be able to edit WikiMedia projects without registering. Period. Unfortunately, if this is one of Wikipedia's core principles, what it truly means is that article creation should be allowed for anons, and no pages should be protected or semi-protected. This means that IPs should be allowed to edit the main page, high risk templates, everything. Wikipedia isn't "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, unless you're anon, in which case you can't edit the
Main Page,
penis,
Template:Uw-vandalism4im, etc." As you can tell, I don't think that this is what Wikipedia should do, but if not requiring registration in order to edit is one of Wikipedia's non-debatable principles, then I think that Wikipedia has to do this if it wants to be true to it's principles. I know that there's no way that this is going to happen, and I'm glad it's not, so my true point of view is that Wikipedia's core principles need to be amended to reflect reality. Please note that this is not the same as me saying, "the software needs to be changed so that anons aren't allowed to edit", but this idea that even suggesting it is out of harmony with Wikipedia's core principles needs to be gotten rid of (which it will, once Wikipedia's core principles are updated so that what is practiced is also what is preached). I know that I'm a lone voice in a crowd here but I'm being true to myself by saying this. Maybe I should just find a different site to contribute to.--
Urban
Rose 02:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I want to first of all appreciate the efforts of the Volunteers who have kept Wikipedia Encyclopaedia running. The service is very useful and apt.
However, I have just observed in the content and discussion on Transport Geography, the omission of Pipeline as a mode/means of transportation. I do not intend to blame anyone for this omission because it is common in literature to overlook the critical role of Pipeline Transportation especially in the conveyance of oil and gas from oilfields to refineries and from refineries to final destination either for consumption or export purposes. Therefore, I do wish to advocate that pipeline should be added as a mode/means of transportation.
Overcoming spatial disparity in the location of oil and gas resources, all over the world, is usually done through pipelines. In the US for instance, there about 1.9 miles of pipeline right-of-way transporting gas and oil, from within and outside the country. Likewise in Nigeria, there is close to 8,000km length of pipeline (offshore and onshore) transporting oil and gas across board. I do hope my humble submission is considered and accepted.
Thanks for the anticipated understanding and cooperation.
Best wishes,
Babatunde Anifowose Doctoral Researcher Email: [removed]
Hi!
Some Special_pages (e.g. Special:Disambiguations) are very tedious to examine and in very many cases not all the entries are viewable. Wikipedia seems to have outgrown these pages. And Disambiguations doesn't even appear to be one of the current data dumps.
If these pages had a link (i.e. to the latest data dump/Disambiguations.) to directly download the relevant data, those data would be actually useful.