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I want to move the Dark tranquillity page to Dark Tranquillity but there is a redirecting page there and it won't let me. How can I do this?
Sort of related: How do you move an Image? I want to move this image to a new, more specific name, such as [[Image:DefenderOfTheCrown_AmigaBoxCover.jpg]], but the utility won't let me. Is there a special process for moving images? — Frecklefoot 17:40, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC)
I believe that quiz pages would enhance the browsing experience of readers. By quiz pages, I mean a page with 10 or 20 questions related to an article. For example, a quiz in astronomy would include questions like these:
The difficulty of the quiz would depend on the corresponding article. Also, a list of quiz would allow quick access to all the quiz. There would not be any counting of good responses, and results would not be stored (i.e. this is not a competition).
I have not yet seen such pages on wikipedia. My concern is that this is not a typical content for a encyclopedia, so I would like to have feedback on whether this is accepted, and whether some guidelines should be followed (e.g. is the word 'quiz' ok ?). If OK, I would be happy to start ! Pcarbonn 05:15, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback. I believe it is a great idea to provide ways to access Wikipedia from Wikibooks for the class room, and all your suggestions are good ways to do that. I'm also sympathetic to your concerns that articles should have an 'encyclopedic tone', and that quiz are not in line with that tone. I'm still convinced that there is also a need for the general public to access the encyclopedia in a more 'fun' way, i.e. via quiz, and wikibooks would not be a solution to that because wikibooks is for the classroom. Could I suggest the following as a possible solution agreeable to all ?
There would be 2 ways to browse wikipedia: article to article to article; or quiz to article to article. That is, the list of quiz would be accessible only from the left-hand menu of the (main) page. The policy would be that no quiz can be included in article (so no browsing from article to quiz to article). This way, the general public could choose the tone at the start of their browsing session, and the ones that want an encyclopedic tone are not embarrassed with quiz. Those that like quiz would choose it in the left menu. What do you think ? Pcarbonn 05:12, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I understand your goal and constraints, and I agree with your view. Thanks for clarifying them.
I can also see a potential problem: there is no reference truth on the question "which item should be in a quiz ?", so that the dynamics of creating a quiz is quite different from the dynamics of creating an article. The quality of content could suffer from that, as you suggest. So let's drop the idea. Pcarbonn 11:01, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
There are now 62816 user accounts. The User List doesn't make it easy to find this out though. Maybe it's time for a revamp. -- Derek Ross 04:12, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Agreed. In fact I would go further and state that the User List shouldn't be used for anything nowadays. The current alphabetical, searchless, minimal information layout is practically useless for the number of accounts which it has to deal with. -- Derek Ross
Okay, I'll take a look. -- Derek Ross 04:48, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Am I doing something wrong, or is there something funky going on? The Talk:John Kerry page was quite large so I archived old materials at Talk:John Kerry/Feb 2004 archive, Talk:John Kerry/Mar 2004 archive, and Talk:John Kerry/Family background and added links to them on the main Talk page. But the Family background page always appears in red and clicking on it opens the saved article in an edit window. I've tried refereshing several times and even resaved both articles to no effect. What's going on here? older ≠ wiser 20:13, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Anyone know why WP is suddenly so much slower/balkier? Yesterday I saw a bunch of 'all servers down' messages, and both then and now my browser is timing out trying to contact WP MUCH more than usual, and even when pages finally come up, even tho' they look complete, the status bar shows 'waiting for...' or 'transferring data from...' much longer than normal. Seems like some change in the past 36-48 hours severely hampered WP's performance. Niteowlneils 19:32, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Just wanted to know where I should post a request for comment and arbitration on a specific article. Is it in the Cleanup page? More specifically, is anybody willing to give a third party opinion (or whatever party really...) on the NPOV of the last edits in Brussels article (cf. Brussels' talk page in section neutrality for more on the issue). cheers. -- Edcolins 19:16, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
You might try Wikipedia:Peer review. Rick K 00:21, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Would a smaller version of this picture on the article On Your Mark be fair use? --> Wikipedia talk:Fair use
Why, and for how long? Niteowlneils 17:41, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Although original content is nice, is text from NASA pages, like at http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/factsheet-text.html, considered fair use or public domain, for use on Wikipedia? -- useR:zanimum
http://www.nasa.gov/audience/formedia/features/MP_Photo_Guidelines.html
NASA images generally are not copyrighted. You may use NASA imagery, video and audio material for educational or informational purposes, including photo collections, textbooks, public exhibits and Internet Web pages. This general permission does not include the NASA insignia logo (the blue "meatball" insignia), the NASA logotype (the red "worm" logo) and the NASA seal...
NASA emblems should be reproduced only from original reproduction proofs, transparencies, or computer files available from NASA Headquarters. Please be advised that approval must be granted by the Public Services Division (see above information for address, numbers, etc.) before any reproduction materials can be obtained.
Any questions regarding application of any NASA image or emblem should be directed to: Bert Ulrich Public Services Division NASA Headquarters Code POS Washington, DC 20546
Tel: (202)358-1713 Fax: (202)358-4331 Internet: bert.ulrich@hq.nasa.gov
Tangentially related to the facebook discussion above, it looks like you can now hear the voice of Jimbo Wales. This Newsweek interview has the link, unfortunately I can't check for sure it works where am I right now. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 13:43, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
may make you look trying to fool youself or something. In fact, I think mainly due to accents, many English-speakers think Japanese are not speaking English words when they think they are. Oh, complete off-topic but have you seen Kill Bill? Their Japanese is so bad that I needed to rely on English subtitles to decipher what they are talking. -- Taku 15:53, Apr 30, 2004 (UTC)
(Answering my own question)
I was already familiar with this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dealing_with_vandalism
I have found two additional pages which are helpful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Dealing_with_vandalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism_in_progress
thanks, richard myers
OK. Report it here? Or...?
Can an admin move GTA to Grand Theft Auto so that the former can be turned into a disambig page for Grand Theft Auto and Greater Toronto Area? I don't think it makes sense to have a spelled out title redirect to an acronym. -- Kimiko 19:40, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
It has been reported that there is significant delay in issuing these medals although I received mine without too much delay.
Why wait for applications? The M o D must have records of all those who served out there during the appropriate period. Army Navy RAF Records will also have such lists. Why not issue them based on these lists.? Many Veterans will have answered Roll Call elsewhere and their Descendants may not even be aware.
Maurice Scott ex 1 R Lincolns Mauricescott@Hotmail.com
This sentence was stranded in another section, so I turned it into a header. I think it's been moved to the Ref. Desk anyway, but I'm not sure. - IMSoP 17:04, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
What's with the "mystery" here? -- user:zanimum
Not sure if this is the best place to address this, but this article still exists with a VfD tag from March--the Talk page seems to have a pretty clear consensus to delete. Niteowlneils 02:00, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
...keeps making claims about Wikimedia needing to register with the state of Florida, or something. Any lawyers or anyone tell me what our status is? Meelar 05:32, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
I just thought the word wikispam might be a good catch-phrase to describe those dubious and sinister articles that are thinly-veiled commercial solicitations. See Eyeplaygames.com, an article that should be deleted precisely because it is "wikispam". Anyway, I'd be interested to know what wikians think of wikispam, how to make it std. jargon if enough like it (ie add it to some admin page somewhere), or if there's already a word for these types of articles. Alcarillo 06:47, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I have to leave for the weekend, therefore since I can't follow this up, please feel free to act as you feel appropriate:
Andy Kaufman died on May 16, 1984. He said that if he were to fake his own death, he'd re-emerge 20 years later (more info in the link). Maybe this can be featured as a brief event notice somewhere on the 'pedia. Some might want to know about it in advance, even if only to remember the character. I didn't know where to put this information, and whether it's appropriate, so here it is, in case anyone cares. -- Gutza 13:14, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
How do I nominate someone to have their admin status suspended or revoked? TDC 18:57, Apr 29, 2004 (UTC)
-> Wikipedia talk:Press coverage
Dear Ms/Sir
Is Lindi the new name of the ancient city of Malindi in Tazania?
Some one had said that Malindi is the name of three ancient cities located in Kenya, Tazania and South Africa. Is this true?
Malindi has been mentioned in Zhenghe's navigation chart as the last port of call in East africa.
kk Tan
Can a more knowledgeable/experienced admin fix the cut and paste move of Loch Ness monster to Loch Ness Monster, if possible? There's a page on how to fix cut and paste moves, but I'd rather not fool around with it. Thanks, Minesweeper 11:13, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
So we all know who the ROmans were, but what is their relevancy to modern day technology and life? They certainly were interesting folk, letting the most part of their P.O.W.s actually become citizens of their empire, which lasted over 2000 years!!!! The aqueducs are another sign of their ingenuity and originality. So, what do YOU know about the Romans, who influenced our life today? Where would we be without them? Comments, please!
Prestidigitation - thursday - Florida
Death by drowning - distrito federal - Jutland
And your question is...?
Is proper Wikipedia procedure being followed in the Copyvio investigation going on for Saturday Night Live ? - Bevo 03:02, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
Who was Karl Josef Weinmair? I'm looking for detailed, in depth biographical information.
Where does marina Oswald Porter live now? Does she have a email?
Could you do a family tree based on
with the addition of children, see http://www.aboutdarwin.com/darwin/Children.html ; some were quite important in their own right.). That way we can also replace the image with links! It can be put into:
which is at MediaWiki:Darwin
and also add a photo to the blue box would be nice.
Would it be possible then to do an image map? Duncharris 10:25, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
You could do it as an ordinary table,(with small images for the lines) but it would be a monster. I'll have a go if anyone wants me too. theresa knott 18:59, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
Why would you call it the "so-called" great train wreck in Nashville, Tn on July 9,1918. 101 people died . Many were soldiers returning from WWI and over have of the victims were African Americans going to work in the Dupont plant.This was very gruesome and tragic event. The newspaper says that wagon loads of body parts were taken to the morge. One witness said that the young mother sitting next to him was decapitaited and her arm was shoved "into her baby." I don't know what Wikipedia ment by the "so-called" great train wreck, but it sounds like a terrible wreck to me. The 1998 article reads "worst train wreck in US history." I am obviously offended by your statement . You should change that before a survivor or relative of someone who was killed reads it.i understand that ignorance was probaly the reason for this offensive blunder. So you are forgiven, but you need to change the statement.
Does anyone know what is going on with all the articles being added related to Machine Translation? E.g., Online Dictionaries and Translators, History of translation technology, Basic features and terminology, Ancient wisdom for the modern world, The great library of Alexandria, Translators throught history, History of machine translation by W.John Hutchins, History of translation and on and on.
Most appear to be copy and pasted from somewhere, quite likely a copyvio, and others are simply unencyclopedic substubs. The following users have contributed, though there may be others as well. User:212.8.80.248, User:Iratxe gonzalez, User:Irune Berdún. Some blithely recreate articles that have been speedily deleted and others overwrite the copyvio notices. If this is a class of some sort, is there any way to contact the instructor? older≠ wiser 19:10, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
Theres a discussion and poll going on at Talk:New York, New York that needs a wider view of the wikipedia community. the discussion is about moving New York, New York to New York City, New York (city) or some other name. Come give your opinion and take part in the poll (near bottom of page). Theon 13:31, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
Naming poll closed. Fallout on Talk:New York, New York and/or Talk:City of New York
Dear Panditji
I have been visiting your site since last month everyday, I find it an extremely useful source of Vaastu which helps a lot of people in learning the real science behind vaastu which other sites dont even mention about. Your site is THE BEST SITE i have come across.
Panditji I have a question to ask you. We live in Dubai and planning to shift from a rented house to a rented villa, currently the villa work is going on, its a new villa its a north-east entrance, it would take another 20 days to complete atleast. My question to you is would it be wise to shift to the new house on May 24. Is it a good month as well as a good day? Is the Shukra weak at this point in time.
If 24th May isnt good month would it be advisable to stay on the 19th of may in the house for a night and cook a little and some back to the old house and then shift once the work is complete. if not 19th of may which other day would you advise.
We are in Jewellery business which involve sale of gold and diamonds. As diamonds relate to Shukra we donnot want to shift to the new house if it isnt good. Please advise, we would really appreciate if you can give us your advise.
Awaiting for your reply
Thank you very much. Regards Heemanshu Waya
We have a Welcome Committee to greet new users, but once they get greeted, they're rarely subject to much positive at the hands of other users, and many of them are subjected to a slew of insults from trolls, vandals, etc. Perhaps we should have a parallel committee, modeled after the WC, to compliment users when we see good edits, substantial work on pages, etc. Something less than a barnstar, but still a nice thing to do for the users. I suspect that, after a lengthy edit, it would be more than a little welcome to see a post on your talk page to let you know you did a good job, and that this would foster Wikilove Snowspinner 20:50, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
What's the policy on this? Someone has created the page Ohosaka to redirect to Osaka. This just seems like a complete waste of space to me. Can I just delete it? The same applies to several pages using the romanization Õsaka -- Japanese romanization systems do not use that O with the tilde thing over it. Exploding Boy 23:27, May 2, 2004 (UTC)
Has anyone noticed the changes to forms?
-- Saint-Paddy 21:52, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
They look fine now. Hmmm. Are my eyes playing tricks on me? Am I paranoid or something? Nah. It's just browser I bet. I don't where it came from though weird. It just seems that Go and Search had white backgrounds instead of grey and the search and summary forms had a glossy white look to them, or kinda like something like Mac-form field. Never mind. It's too hard to explain.
moved to Wikipedia:Reference desk#Medals for Suez Canal Zone Veterans by IMSoP 18:41, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
This seems to apply when going for some articles but not on others. I don't know what the rules are but, more to the point, shouldn't case sensitivity be totally disabled for this search function? Dainamo 21:56, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
I'd appreciate some thoughts on this please. My interest and, cough, expertise lies with comedy. And, since I'm British, British comedy.
I've been working on a couple of broad articles, notably sitcom and television comedy.
The thing is they are grotesquely skewed to UK/US information. And I, for one - though I would never have thought about it without Wikipedia - am now curious about sitcoms and TV comedy from around the globe. What the hell's it like? I ask myself. And Wikipedia's articles, currently, cannot help me.
So. How can I attract the non-English speaking globe to our English Language comedy pages?
I've added the articles to Wikipedia:Pages needing attention, but I have this nagging sense that all the best potential contributors are over on their own language versions.
Is there a separate page for this kind of request? Something like 'Pages Needing Global Perspective', perhaps?
-- bodnotbod 21:17, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not allow the HTML tag <span>
. Why?
Very often we insert some non-English words in English texts. It is desirable to always mark them as belogning to a particular language.
The best way to do it is to write like this: <span lang="xx">some foreign text</span>.
But the <span> tag is not available. Of course, one may write instead like this: <font lang="xx">some foreign text</font>, but it is not so nice (because we do not want to change font, but only to change language).
So it is necessary eigther to allow the tag <span>
, or to invent some Wikipedia-specific way of language tagging (which will translate into <span></span>
). —
Monedula
11:05, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
Perhaps we should have some pseudo-tag for language marking? Something like
<lang xx>
some foreign text</lang>
, which will translate into <span lang="xx">
some foreign text</span>
?
I use <i lang="xx"> for this. Of course it's not so good if you don't want italics, but often when you insert text from one language into a running stream of another language italics are conventional anyway. Marnanel 22:19, May 2, 2004 (UTC)
The thing is that this is not a discussion, but I have read above someone was setting up some new hardware and (as I feel it is faster I think it has been already set up) I wanted to say many thanks and a big cheers to whomever did it.
If the above is incorrect, please remove. Pfortuny 10:08, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
Moved to (and answered at) Wikipedia:Reference desk#Plastic bullets in NI
I have reverted a case of minor vandalism. I mentioned revert in the editing explanation. Should i do anything further to report the vandal (an IP address), or does someone (or some process) examine reverts to track such incidents?
Richard Myers
I'm very new to this so forgive me this is a yawn inducingly old idea.
I've noted the way books are to be cited, and the page which clicking an ISBN number takes you to.
I also note that this provides a source of funding as some click-thrus will give Wikipedia money for any sales made on referral.
For the uninitiated, you can see an example here.
What I was wondering is, would there be any value in having a Book Citation Drive to push up the number of book sales that Wikipedia earns commission on?
Of course, we would want to make sure additions are relevant - you can see the 3 I've added to the Dad's Army article at Further Reading
I figured if you had a splash on the front page and some other reminders strategically placed, it might cause an increase in citations and funds.
If you wanted to be gung-ho about it, Wikipedia could be a lot more aggressive in funneling click-thrus to those retailers Wikipedia can get money from - but I suspect that's against the spirit of Wikipedia. -- bodnotbod 01:45, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
.. head over to Talk:Abu Ghraib and let us know how coverage in your paper was of the Abu Ghraib prison incident. We'd like to add some empirical data to the article about a disparity (or not) between US and European media coverage.-- Eloquence * 01:19, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
April just disappeared a couple hours early of UTC, and the page seems way to empty! Where is the link to the previous month. It's been a few months since I have been at the wikipedia, but didn't we used to keep the last months news up there for at least a day before?! Also, the history is gone, did someone delete it and over write it? { MB | マイカル } 21:55, Apr 30, 2004 (UTC)
I just dug out an old book (The Clip Art Book, 1980; Amazon link. You have to scan in the illustrations, but there are over 5000 pictures of all kinds of things. There are line drawings of probably famous people (not labeled), tons of pages of old tools (many of which I cant' identify), lots of pictures of a wide variety of horse-drawn carriages & all other kinds of older transportation, people doing all knds of things, plants & food, anatomical sketches, architecture, sports, costume & clothing, weapons & hearldry & armour, animals... jeez I could be here for the rest of my life scanning them in. Get it and start scanning! See what I've uploaded for European dueling sword and Tonsure. Elf | Talk 18:06, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Why, and for how long? Niteowlneils 17:41, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I came across Hacker clans on RC patrol, but I don't know the material well enough to know if it is legit or vanity. I don't want to post it to VfD if it is legit. Anyone? SWAdair | Talk 08:50, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
This may sound weird, but I don't leave 'welcome' messages, and don't want to start now. But, doing some RC patrol I stumbled on a series of contribs from a new user, and I hope that someone from the Welcoming Committee will leave the user a welcome. It's User:Lynnea9. About a dozen new articles on valid topics within about 40 minutes indicates enthusiasm that should be encouraged. But the user could use the benefit of pointers to some of the Style, etc. pages, as the contribs tend to be unformated and barely stubs. I've been working on cleaning up the entries, but I would like her to get a welcome (from someone other than me). Niteowlneils 05:42, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I promise I'll learn how to report and look up bugs to the system after tonight, but this is one that requires fairly immediate attention and I don't know how to sort it. User:192.195.64.72 is on a personal crusade to blank various pages he doesn't like. I have tried blocking them following appropriate warning, went through the appropriate system, and they are carrying on using the same IP regardless. Is there a problem with the blockip tool? -- Graham :) | Talk 01:25, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The first time I looked at the Deletion log, I noticed people deleting latin name articles that redirected to the organism's common English name article. Why would they do that? Does Wikipedia is not paper not apply to redirs? Also, wouldn't the latin names have more currency in non-Eng nations, so the redirs would be quite helpful? Also, some articles, like List of freshwater aquarium fish species specifically use the latin name redirs. Niteowlneils 19:20, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Since I just found this discussion (I don't frequent VP) and no one has asked, I'll comment anyway. Some of the time I spend on WP I troll RC for interesting things. At some point the two links in question came to my attention. I saw they needed some work, added a taxobox to the article, etc. When I ofund the article, it looked like this. The scientific name links were only used from the article itself to redir back to itself. Seeing this as needless, and removing the links from the article, I then deleted the redirs. Now that I've started Wikipedia:WikiProject Cephalopods, I actually prefer having the sci name links, so thanks for undeleting them! I like {{msg: R_from_scientific_name}} very much, and I'll keep it in mind. - UtherSRG 17:17, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
-> Talk:Nashville, Tennessee]]
Could anyone please tell me how Wikipedia handles privacy issues? For example, keeping passwords and keeping the watchlists. Is it readable by any others? TIA -- Rrjanbiah 14:27, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I tried to upload some images but kept getting 'This image cannot be displayed because it has errors'. I think others may have the same problem. Is this a software/system bug? -- Kaihsu 12:53, 2004 Apr 29 (UTC)
You can now paste an IP address into the search box and click "go", and it will take you to the contributions page. -- Tim Starling 03:26, Apr 29, 2004 (UTC)
I think that adding links to the corresponding page on http://nutritiondata.com to food-related articles might be a good idea. Do other Wikipedians agree, and does anyone know of a nutrition site which might be better? Eurleif 00:41, Apr 29, 2004 (UTC)
Don't know if this has been discussed before. A number of people seem to find it frustrating when people don't provide an edit summary. I do.
How about when someone clicks "save changes" and hasn't filled in a summary they get a "You have not provided an edit summary!" alert, and are left on the edit screen with the blank space staring at them expectantly?
-- bodnotbod 09:39, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
I'm kinda newbie here. I'd thought that there will be some kind of mark up for syntax highlighting of programs like <program lang="PHP">..code here..</program> But, I couldn't find anything such. So, I have experimented few syntax highlighting with PHP's highlight_file() in few articles: PHP programming language#Code_Examples, Hello world program#Perl, and C programming language#Hello,_World!_in_C As Wiki is fast, I strongly believe this might be already discussed. Could someone please direct me to such thing? TIA. -- Rrjanbiah 12:21, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
Amandag6 is a newbie, and on his talk page, I put this message User talk:Amandag6, welcoming him, and asking him to review other Wikipedia articles, to see the style we write encyclopedia articles in. However, he keeps creating orphan stubs by the dozen, in a definition format. What to do? -- user:zanimum
The locked wiki warning isn't appearing on all the pages, I'm currently surfing the the Tom Clancy article and I'm clicking on some of the links and the warning is appearing and on others it's not. I think there might be a problem, I don't know, but of course I don't I'm not a sysop or the server admin. -- 24.128.142.43 21:32, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
Hmmm. Yes, I was absent-minded a bit when I typed that, I thought I logged in when I wasn't. Hehe. Oops, oh well. Hopefully, its gone now. -- Saint-Paddy 00:29, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
This is just a funny article I wrote when I saw the link on EntmootsOfTrolls user page. Don't ask me why I made it, I was bored and needed something to do and so I created that. Of course, It's just parody of the "real" articles of "REAL" monarchs. Anyways if you want to access it go to Wikipedia:King of Wikipedia, Also, I don't If it goes into votes for deletion, It's not THAT unless there are some people who acutally worship Jimbo and kiss the ground he walks on.
Acutally, Angela wants me to move it to the MetaWiki. -- Saint-Paddy 00:29, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
If a particular username is known to be a sock puppet and has been established as a sock puppet by Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration, is it acceptable to put some sort of message on the sock puppet's user page that links to the usual name of the user so that people know that the username is a known sock puppet?
For example, suppose someone normally edits under the name "AAA". And for the purposes of a dispute, that user created the sock puppets "BBB" and "CCC". The dispute was taken to arbitration, where the committee concluded that "BBB" and "CCC" were indeed sock puppets of "AAA". In that case, can someone, say, on the arbitration committee, edit those user pages, putting a message on "User:BBB" and "User:CCC" along the lines of:
The reason I'm asking for this is that otherwise when combing through the page histories of certain pages, it can be unclear who had been involved in editing it. -- Lowellian 00:35, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
I have started an RfC and a vote on Talk:Kosovo and Metohia#Vote on the name on the naming issue. Please give your comments and vote there. Thanks, Dori | Talk 03:14, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
As a contributor to both Wikipedia and Wikitravel, what is involved in getting Wikitravel mapped in Wikipedia's Interwiki system? I link a lot of Wikitravel articles to the Wikipedia article. I would like to link in the reverse direction. Is there a policy for this? What would the format be? Something like wikitravel:article name ? -- Nzpcmad 07:51, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
I was talking to Sunir about this recently. Our interwiki map was just copied from the interwiki map at meatball. That map is not intended to be a common interwiki map for all wikis, it's intended to be a shortcut to sites which are often mentioned on Meatball. So what we need to do is to make our own map. I've made a start, at meta:Interwiki map. -- Tim Starling 09:58, May 6, 2004 (UTC)
Today's main page has Did you know... links to Broadmoor Hospital and mental institution. The first is now peppered with redlinks (as a result of it's front page appearance, one imagines) - the nature of which will not be understood by a first time visitor ("Yikes! How have I hacked the site? I just pressed a link.").
The second, to my mind, is a pretty shoddy article in that it is riddled with implied and explicit criticism of the subject from start to finish: criticism, which, whilst valid, really needs to be explored as a discussion of the subject later in the article rather than entangled throughout.
Whilst I know something of the subject, it isn't really enough I'd feel happy tackling it. I've listed it on pages needing attention.
My point is: a little care in what is put on the front page may be called for? I would hate to think of people being made sour on such a fantastic project by ill chosen main page links. -- bodnotbod 11:45, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
If you don't like the articles featured in DYK, then do this:
This way, everyone benefits. This was my intent when I invented DYK -- getting people to keep an eye on newly created articles. Brushing the bad ones under the carpet won't do us any good.-- Eloquence * 00:46, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
Do we need a Wikipedia:Awards article, maybe linked from announcements like the one actually on the main page? -- till we *) 09:36, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia:Reference desk#Lindi and Malindi by IMSoP 10:21, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
There was some discussion over at Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship about the number of admins we have (initaited by yours truly, for better or for worse), so I did some statistical analysis. The final result is this excel document. I figured the results might be of interest to some people, so I thought I'd share them here. Comments are welcome. →Raul654 06:55, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
WikiProject Cat breeds - New project; need participants
A project in the same style as Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds but with the specifics for cat breeds. There needs to be a table template made and pictures located etc. Incentive: There are a bunch of requests for cat breed pages at Wikipedia:requested articles/Mathematical and Natural Sciences. Bensaccount 01:58, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Can anyone help with the formatting problem being discussed at Talk:Panamanian election, 2004? Adam 01:10, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Can I serve my Community Punishment Order by editing Wikipedia? Troll Silent, Troll Deep 22:38, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
I'm concerned about people adding "Largest Cities" to the state MediaWiki boxes. I don't argue with adding the cities, but some are, I think, going overboard. For instance, for MediaWiki:Ohio I only added the very largest cities. However, MediaWiki:Maine has more cities listed than counties! We need to find some reasonable standardization on this. jaknouse 22:25, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Could you do a family tree based on
with the addition of children, see http://www.aboutdarwin.com/darwin/Children.html ; some were quite important in their own right.). That way we can also replace the image with links! It can be put into:
which is at MediaWiki:Darwin
and also add a photo to the blue box would be nice.
Would it be possible then to do an image map? Duncharris 10:25, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
You could do it as an ordinary table,(with small images for the lines) but it would be a monster. I'll have a go if anyone wants me too. theresa knott 18:59, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
I think it's a major oversight that we don't have a page on Einsatzgruppe. I've added a stub. Please help me to fill out.
Thanks. orthogonal 19:33, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
A LonelyWiki guide perhaps? Where can I find it? If not, how do I start it? Thanks! Mark Richards 17:09, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Help! Or maybe it's just my browser. The Kentucky coffeetree article has a citation link to Karl Koch (botanist), but the link is stuck on "edit" even though the article exists. I've gone to the Karl Koch article and resaved it, but it hasn't helped (and, of course, I've reloaded the coffeetree article several times). Anybody know what's going on? jaknouse 14:59, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Naming poll closed. Fallout on Talk:New York, New York and Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names)
Could you phone James Schwartz on (617) 566-4262 and ask him to email me at dunc_harriscoughhotmail.com (with cough replaced by 'at) re: George R. Price please? I don't fancy a trans-Atlantic phone call. If he doesn't know who Price is, you've got the wrong number! Duncharris 12:53, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
Well my idea was that I was trying to contact George R. Price's family to see if I could get a photo of him, a bit of original research. James Schwartz has written the definitive biography of Price. Unfortunately, googling for George Price turns up no resources, [5], George R. Price George R. Price does little better, George Price ESS gets a few, George Price equation gets a few more conceptual topics. Read the article and Schwartz's biography; he was a fascinating gentleman. Duncharris 16:19, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
Quick note: There is a link to a pdf version of the biography in the main article. Duncharris 16:25, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
I'll probably send something snail mail then ;) Duncharris 10:27, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
Should articles on the Main Page include red links? --> Talk:Main Page
When I use a single greek letter in math, as in
"mit <math>\beta</math> multipliziert",
I get a minus sign after it in the output:
"mit multipliziert"
Is this a known bug? Am I doing something wrong?
Fpahl
09:42, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Use the HTML entity, regardless. & beta; (without the space) produces β Dysprosia 09:51, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
--> m:bugs
-->Interwiki links to Wikitravel should be included in the interwiki map. See m:Talk:Interwiki map.
Naming issue. Please vote at Talk:Kosovo and Metohia#Vote on the name if the vote is still there. (Check the history if it's not)
Thought I'd sound people out on this. A number of my contributions are likely to be biographies of British entertainers. I'm pretty sure that in a paper encyclopedia there would be very little or no quoted passages from the artist themselves giving colour to biographical detail but, as we know, Wiki is not paper (see, in particular, ==no size limits==).
I am particularly interested in comedy performers and I feel that having something from them that contributes to the life story and indicates their sense of humour is a good thing and makes for more interesting reading. However, I can see that traditionalists might baulk at this.
The bio style guide isn't helpful on this point.
I would not be excessive in this regard but I'm trying to guage whether there is an almost complete intolerance to quoted passages (as very distinct from notable quotes, without surrounding context) used in bios.
Opinions?
-- bodnotbod 20:19, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
What's with the "mystery" here? -- user:zanimum
Recently I came across a strange problem with rtl (right to left) direction fonts. For example, please look at Google#Other_national_Googles and see the India (at 16 position). It is messed up with the rtl text. Is there any solution for this? TIA -- Rrjanbiah 12:35, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
-->Feature suggestion moved to m:Syntax highlighting
I'm curious: when more than one sysop blocks a user, does the user see the message from the first blocking sysop or the last blocking sysop? To answer this question, I ask that a sysop block this account. I'll also block it, and then I'll check which message appears on the "You are blocked from editing" screen. Thanks, Cyan, a.k.a Socku Puppetto 21:05, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned at the contents of MediaWiki:Noncommercial, which reads at present
This image is not licenced under the GFDL. It is under a non-commercial-use only licence. Copyrights.
and is linked to by a number of image pages and also possibly used on others by means of the subst: syntax.
This seems to me to directly violate both Image_use_policy#Copyright_(images) and Wikipedia:Copyrights#Contributors'_rights_and_obligations. I'd suggest we either update the policy pages or add the following text to MediaWiki:Noncommercial:
Unless a GFDL compatible license is granted, the image will shortly be removed.
And, of course, do it. But that's a bit drastic. I'd like other comments. Have I missed something here? Andrewa 19:54, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
-> MediaWiki:VfD-Translation articles
Thought I'd alert people to the fact that language links to tokipona.wikipedia.org's content don't work... In Wikipedia, [[tokipona:lipu sona Wikipesija]] was placed, and it doesn't work. Can someone change the software to allow for lanugage codes greater than two letters, or should the Tokipona language Wikipedia's address itself be changed to a non-occupied language code? -- user:zanimum
Is it my computer, or is wikiquote behaving very strangely? All I get is a wide variety of error messages and display problems. Tuf-Kat 07:42, May 6, 2004 (UTC)
Can anyone suggest how to get multiple small message boxes to display next to each other? For example I was looking at New Zealand and at the bottom it has two large messages, followed by one small 'mgs:New Zealand' ; I though it might be good to have the message 'msg:Australasia' next to it.
But the Wikipedia engine does not seem to allow it as far as I can see; can any assist with wisdom on this? Daeron 06:15, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
-> Wikipedia:Copyright problems
...meanwhile, rogue pages are robbing old ladies and drinking cider on the street corners.
I found, and considered signing up to, Wikipedia:New pages patrol. I think the time slot idea is great - it might help me structure my day, instead of spending 14 hours on here ;o)
But I don't fancy signing up as member #2 much. How can I get admins to sit up and take a 15 minute slot? Or was this idea abandoned? Superceded? -- bodnotbod 00:03, May 6, 2004 (UTC)
Heya.
Just curious whether the 'English' language wikipedia is in fact in English or American. I find myself forever 'correcting' Americanisms, and I'm not sure if I'm just creating work for more knowledgable editors. So, clarification would be handy =)
--Si
Ahem. proper English, American
British English,
American English. Let's not use inflammatory terminology if we can avoid it, thanks.
Nohat 20:34, 2004 May 5 (UTC)
Wise words above from User:Niteowlneils. I've occasionally wondered whether it'd be worth the effort to tag articles, by means of a remmed-out comment on the first line, indicating: "This article follows the canons of UK / US / Indian / Canadian / NZ / Belizean / etc. English" -- with links to Wikipedia:Canons of UK English, etc. UK subjects would get tagged UK, US subjects would get tagged US, etc., and all the others would get tagged according to whether the article history first records "color" or "colour" (or, indeed, Taoiseach, Billabong, or Lakh). It might save some squabbling, perhaps even an unfortunate 'alas' or two. –Hajor 22:13, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Please note the upshot of all this. 'Correcting' American or British spellings is not welcome in either direction except under specific circumstances, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Usage and spelling. In fact have a read of the whole thing while you're there, and perhaps we need to update the Wikipedia:tutorial to make the policy a little more upfront. Andrewa 19:22, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
Seems to be an enthusiastic and sincere, even if minimalistic, contributor, and could use a welcome and guidance (I have only been here a short time, and am not ready to do welcomes). Niteowlneils 19:46, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
I just had an idea for the main page. It seems like the articles on the main page get a lot of attention. Why not have a 'featured stub article' of the day, like the regular featured article, and hope that it gets a little attention by being in the spotlight? That might help get more info into those stub articles.
This has probably been suggested before. Thank you guys for working so hard on this project! I use it all the time.
Somewhere in Wikipedia is a page about sites that link to Wikipedia but it seems I cannot find it - Nilmerg 11:45, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Evolutionary_biology
Announcement, we've set this up. Anyone interested? Duncharris 11:30, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
Picking the missing article David Bates from the most wanted articles list to write, I've found something a bit odd. There appear to be no fewer than 8 different notable David Bates's mentioned in other Wikipedia articles and one or two non-notables. And not a single page existed for any of them.
Would anyone care to help me unravel this please ? - TB
I think that there's something fundamentally wrong with the way that we write about programming languages. Most articles on programming languages discuss the most popular compiler/interpreter for the language, but the language is a seperate topic to the language.
For example, C Sharp programming language talks about how "C# does not compile to binary code which can be executed directly by the target computer", but that's just how some implementations of the language work. It has nothing to do with the language itself. It would be possible to make implement a C# compiler that compiles to binary code. The article is about the language, not compilers.
Java programming language says that Java code can be compiled once and then run anywhere. But this is talking about Sun and IBM's Java compilers. It isn't true for gjc, for example, which compiles to native code.
QBasic programming language says "Microsoft stopped shipping QBasic with later versions of Windows". How does Microsoft ship a programming language (as the article is clearly about from the title), an abstract concept? Whoever wrote this is talking about a single implementation of the language.
What can we do about this?
Is there a policy about listing these? Someone edited The Carpenters by adding a second fan site to the list of external links. The Carpenters Webring includes 19 sites, and I'm sure plenty of bands, movie stars, etc. have many more than that. Listing all and listing none both seem like bad ideas. I suspect that, in many cases, the selection of sites to list is based on the site owners having shown up and added their own sites, which doesn't seem like much of a policy. JamesMLane 06:42, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
That's a very good idea. I'll keep it in mind if I'm creating an article or adding the first fan site (although even then I might sometimes get lazy and settle for linking to a good site that I happened to know about, even if further research might uncover another that was slightly better). But what would you do in editing an article that had one or more fan sites already listed? or if, as in the case that prompted my question, someone adds a fan site link to an existing article? Ruthlessly excising all such additions seems draconian. Allowing them all to remain will clutter the external links and reward the most assiduous self-promoters. In this instance, I did nothing except to add "fan site" after the link. JamesMLane 11:43, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
One of the URLs at Gift economy#External links includes a "$" as a character. Looks like the wiki can't cope with this. Is there a workaround? If not, is there a preferred way to deal with this in the article? It looks to me like a very worthwhile link, and I don't want to lose it. -- Jmabel 23:15, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
Nice. Is there somewhere I should have been able to find this workaround, since it is obviously specific to the wiki and not generic to HTML? -- Jmabel
Whatever happened to the interwiki page-move system? --Smack 19:49, 8 May 2004 (UTC) 195.5/19
Come and help out at Wikipedia:WikiProject Historical States! We're still trying to get a template developed.-- Jia ng 00:46, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
How and by whom are the "Conventions under consideration" ( Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Conventions under consideration) under consideration? When and how are they adopted or abandonded? --> Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions
--> Wikipedia talk:External links
Wikipedia:Categories of pages needing attention is lovely and concise. That is all. +sj +
--> Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Programming Languages
There is a mirror of Wikipedia at www.nexuscience.com. It doesn't appear on Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks, and I'm not sure what the procedure is for dealing with these. At a first glance there seems to be some issues with compliance. For instance, there is no list of main authors, or link back to the Wikipedia article (just to the main page).
The existance of this site came to my attention on new pages patrol when an article about the site was created: Nexuscience.
"This is the webmaster and creator of Nexuscience.com. It was created in response to my admiration of the Wikipedia itself, and was not mirrored, but directly downloaded and then re-formatted from a wikipedia dump found on Wikipedia. I had seen a reference to the idea of somebody offering the Wikipedia on CD-ROM, and so endeavored to do so. I found that Wikipedia requested that webspiders not crawl the site, and so downloaded the most recent dump I could find on Wikipedia. I admit that selling the CD may have motivated me to play with the data, but it is the playing with of the data I find intriguing. I hope to cross-reference the articles in new ways with public domain information, possibly the guttenberg project. Any suggestions on compliance with Wikipedia copyright or the GNU/FDL will be considered heavily and adhering to such rules will be a priority of the project. I'm basically doing this for fun, and would be happy to lower the price of the CD-ROM, pledge a donation of the proceeds to Wikipedia, and accept Wikipedia's comments and input on the mirror. I may be a bit more commercial in mindset than the Wikipedia concept as a whole, however I do wish to create a compliant, up to date resource of the Wikipedia, along with other GNU/FDL and public domain resources. Contact information is available on the webpage, I am not sure if I am supposed to post such information here. Any assistance or suggestions on operating Nexuscience.com to the satisfaction of Wikipedia is greatly appreciated. www.nexuscience.com"
Various Nexuscience issues. WikiSpam and GFDL compliance. See Wikipedia talk:Mirrors and forks
What am I doing wrong. I have started, written and saved a page. I then log out, clear the computer of cookies, and do a google search for the page I have written. Google finds it, but always opens it in the edit mode, rather than as a completed document. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong? Ragussa 13:25, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
I think there should be a link back to the parent page, in every page; Of course, we can use the back button in our explorers. But, after editing a page and saving it, if we click 'back' it goes to the editing page again. So 'The parent article link' feature would make life a lot easier. I havent scanned the whole page to see if such a feature already exists. So, even if such a feature already exists, please make it more eye-catching. : SudhirP 05:01, May 12, 2004 (UTC)
I have made some suggestions about how to handle offensive content on wikipedia, it needs some peer review. -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 20:54, 2004 May 12 (UTC)
Hello,
My name is Alan Gray and I live in Llanbedrog, which is in the Lleyn Peninsula area of North Wales. Myself, my wife and a number of friends, as part of our retirement lifestyle have invested in a luxury power catamaran charter boat to provide opportunities for visitors to our fantastically beautiful area to see the wildlife that lives here. Our reward is watching our vistors enthuse about what they see. Their contribution (administered by the local Tourist Board), go towards the running costs of our boat.
One of the most fantastic sights we see, is the thousands of Manx Shearwaters either rafting or wheeling around above our boat on our journey to Bardsey Island.You will of course know that Bardsey is the home to 20,000 breeding Manx Shearwaters.
In our efforts to promote our business (along with the well-being of Bottle-Nosed Dolphins, Grey Seals and Manx Shearwaters), we wondered if it would be possible to feature us on your magnificent website.
Our website is www.shearwater.info (which is the name of our boat), but our URL, which I understand is much more important is: http://www.llynmarinecharters.supanet.com
Anyway, even if you can't feature us, thanks for what you do and we wish you every success for the future.
Many thanks
Alan
Is it possible to delete the whole history of one page forever? How?
WikiProject Horse breeds is a new project that needs participants. Organizations that set the standards for horse breeds are needed for the table template. Bensaccount 02:24, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
If someone is named, say, John Crypt, and he receives a life peerage, he'd be known as John Crypt, Baron Crypt of London. When I link to his name, should I link John Crypt, Baron Crypt of London or Lord London? I prefer the latter, but just making sure. cryptfiend64 01:36, May 14, 2004 (UTC)
From time to time here comes a guy and starts to "fix rediects". A recent example is massive change of Transsiberian Railroad into Transsiberian Railway.
It is one thing to fix redirects from, e.g., common misspellings. It is totally meaningless IMO thing to replace a perfectly valid and almost as common name, like in the example above. In some particular case I fixed some time ago, the article author intentionally used an archaic term, only to be "fixed" by some overzealous wikipeditor.
Guys, please be reasonable. Think about other useful things you can do, like Wikipedia:New pages patrol. Mikkalai 18:25, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
Offensive pictures, human genitalia, human humiliation, torture and co, are not treated along the same standards on Wikipedia; In particular, female genitalia are hidden, while male genitalia are visible or pictures of torture are visible as well, such as on Iraq prison abuse scandal. In short, double standards exist, that indicate Wikipedia is somehow censoring a simple clitoris, while showing erected penis or pictures that make many people just feel sick in disgust. I am troubled by this. I would like some opinions about this, and to know how people feel like about censorship (ie, removing images), hidding images behind links (eg, the clitoris) or just plain display potentially offending images (eg, torture). SweetLittleFluffyThing
Right, but aside from displaying or not displaying nude pictures, is that okay to you that pictures of male genitalia are displayed (hence, not enough offensive) while pictures of females genitalia are hidden (for being very offensive) ? Is there a pov there ? SweetLittleFluffyThing
My concern is that putting some of the more offensive images (Goatse, pictures of dead bodies, etc) up violates NPOV. That is to say, since there is usually a substantial controversy over the appropriateness of showing these images, it is POV for us to show them. We should offer links on a factual ground, but in the case of really controversial and debatable images, to display them is to say that it's OK to display them. We should remain neutral - those who feel it's right to view these things should be able to. Those who feel it should be hidden should not have to. This is the best NPOV compromise available. Snowspinner 00:15, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
I would draw a strong distinction between "shock" images of torture or execution, and clinical, non-shocking, non-sexual anatomical pictures. Absolutely, the article on "penis" should show a picture of a penis. Why shouldn't an eleven year old girl see a picture of a penis if she's curious about the human body? Are we really going to deny her access to that information because it offends some people's moral scruples?
The article on foot contains inline images. So does the one on Ear. There is no intellectually honest reason for excluding one from penis or clitoris, or the rest. Really, a penis or a clitoris is a lot like a foot or an ear, except that a lot more people are curious about the "sexual" organs because they don't happen to have them.
It's the job of an encyclopedia to "shine light into the darkness" on these issues and say, "look, there it is, a clitoris. Now what was the big deal?"
- Thparkth 20:07, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
Do not forget to vote and give your opinion at Talk:Nick Berg, where on ongoing poll is going on, over the keep/remove/inlinelink severed head of Nick Berg. This is a poll to try to determine a new policy on the topic of potentially offending images. Thank you for all your comments :-) SweetLittleFluffyThing 05:33, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
What follows is a discussion that was erroneously started on the wrong page - the issue was first raised by User:66.185.84.80. Please note that the IP 66.185.84.80 is a shared Canadian IP that is being used here by the banned user User:Paul Vogel. <- BCorr
66.185.84.80's issue: I wish to have this issue addressed by more people. For it is clear, when surfing the various race-related articles such as Jews, African-American, Blacks, Caucasian, Whites, and racism, that articles involving the issue of race does not at all give even approximately equal treatment to the various races and ethnicities. In fact, White people seem to consistantly get the deep end of this. Specifically, I bring up that,
Thank you. Please reply with your opinion on this.
User:Hyacinth/Full disclosure. First let me note that, 66.185.84.80, you almost seem to be advancing an anti-affirmative action agenda. At the very least, it seems that you disagree with affirmative action as it now stands (which is fine). It seems that, 66.185.84.80 and Snowspinner, you are both talking about different things. Snowspinner, Wikipedia should indeed reflect reality, which includes not only terms and their usage, but the reality/irreality described and not described by those terms. I do agree with you that racism is usually understood to mean racism against non-white peoples in America. Wikipedia, like many things, has a strong pervasive American bias, and this seems to be one incidence of that. I, at the moment, do not agree with 66.185.84.80 that racism is mostly against white peoples. The burden of proof is on you here, and if you have sources which argue this please cite your sources. Also, feel free to add a paragraph to reverse discrimination regarding objections to the term itself. This too would be greatly improved by citing sources, and I imagine that someone has been critical of the term itself. More importantly, I hope someone has directed you to Wikipedia's policy on neutrality: Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Hyacinth 02:03, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
The mainstream definition of racism, going from dictionary.com, which can usually be trusted in its lousiness to totally fail to reflect any subtlties in the usage of the word, is discrimination based on race - not merely different treatment. As for your FBI numbers, come on - look at them. Think about the numbers per capita. Consider the number of whites there are to commit hate crimes against, compared to the number of blacks, and then tell me with a straight face that those numbers point to any sort of institutionalized or substantive anti-white trend in America. Look at the arrest rates, and compare them to regular arrest rates by race. Put the numbers in some context, and they immediately show a trivial amount of anti-white crime per capita. About .00067% of whites were victims of a hate crime, compared to .011% of blacks. In other words, blacks are six times more likely to be victims of hate crimes. Nationally, whites make up 37.3% of incarcerations, compared to 60.1% for blacks. In terms of hate crimes, whites make up 53.2% of those arrested, whereas blacks only make up 26.7%. So, no, the statistics don't give you any real support for a claim of institutionalized or substantive anti-white racism in the United States when you actually look at the numbers. As for Affirmative Action, I point out again that criticisms of Affirmative Action exist in the relevent articles. What are you really looking for here? Snowspinner 07:26, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
Greetings.
After doing somewhat heavy contributing to the Wikipedia for some time now, I've started wondering if there are any generally agreed rules for what kinds of external links should be placed in articles. I notice what I consider to be junk links here and there, but although this is often a result of my personal opinion, I sometimes feel more objective in my complaint.
Besides having an obvious rule of relevance to the article, I would like to submit that there should be other ways to evaluate sites that are linked to.
On my web sites, I have what I call a "visitor-friendliness" policy (for lack of a better term). I don't link to sites that exhibit the following aspects:
Now, I admit that my list may be overly restrictive for Wikipedia's purposes, but I offer the list as a starting point for discussion.
Any thoughts?
Stevietheman 18:24, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
If indeed there is something notably "unusual" about a linked site, then notice should be given in text accompanying the link (examples: "requires Java", "100MB PDF file", "requires registration"). - Bevo 19:38, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
I just discovered that some of my concerns are addressed in Wikipedia_talk:External_links. -- Stevietheman 22:42, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
What year did the Bank of England remove the gold sovereign as part of the every day currency needed to pay for articles, clothing, etc.
Free Scotland Party started on 01/01/2004. Independence from the UK, Independence from the EU.
how much activating energy's acetone?
I'm not clear on the custom for Wikipedians to give others critiques/guidance/corrections. User Olivier seems to be a valuable, prolific contributor generally, but seems to have moved the constellation content via cut and paste from Taurus to Taurus (constellation). Also, everything that pointed to just Taurus (including a msg) still points there (I've been working on updating the links this morning). Would it make sense for someone that can, rv taurus, del Taurus (constellation), then Move this page? Note, I have no problems with the end result, I just have concerns about how it was done. Niteowlneils 16:55, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
New pages not showing up in Google: Wikipedia:External search engines
Someone's posted an article to Slashdot on our various articles on Quantuum physics:
It might get a little busy here, assuming that the article goes through...
James F.
(talk)
11:18, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
Is there a log of which pages have been moved where, and who has moved them? -- ChrisO 10:21, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
Wow! I just read a short artical on the toxisity of Colchicine. My Doctor has just, prescribed an 0.6mg dose for an undiegnosed case of Gout, I have had for 8 weeks, now. I'm to take 1 tablet every 1 to 2 hrs., until I can no longer, tolerate the diarrhea or nausea. Is this common practice? Thanks! R.L. Sidowey PS Please forgive the fumbling, but I can't find a submition button.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse breeds is a new project that needs participants. Organizations that set the standards for horse breeds are needed for the table template. Bensaccount 02:24, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
Neutral point of view (NPOV) is the official, non-negotiable law established by Jimbo Wales. I think it is a crucial Wikipidia policy, but I don't see much attention being paid to it. Are my search skills poor? Are there reams and reams of discussion, but I haven't found them? I support the policy, I think it is an excellent policy, and I think it needs more exposure. I don't think it is a policy that is intuitive. One has to study and learn it. Have most Wikipidians done that? I think not. Worse, I am afraid people don't even agree on what it means, and many think it means to do exactly what it really is prohibiting. Therefore, to help generate some interest in wider publicity, as well as agreement on what the NPOV policy is, I have written a short story (moved the page and fixed the link -- Jia ng 23:03, 9 May 2004 (UTC)) that hopefully will generate some talk. I invite all people who edit on Wikipidea to read it. I hope you find it entertaining as well. ChessPlayer 22:33, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
I want to again repeat my observation: Wikipidians for the most part do not know the NPOV policy. ChessPlayer 05:44, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
What should we do, if we see the contents of a page are unrelated to the subject? For example, in the farsi section, the page under "philosophy" is just christian propaganda. Should it be moved to "Christianity"? "Propaganda"? deleted?
You have a number of options, though you've made my task harder by not naming the article. I've been to farsi and there's no philosophy section so you must mean some other article.
Anyyway:
The first option is the most admired. -- bodnotbod 22:45, May 9, 2004 (UTC)
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I want to move the Dark tranquillity page to Dark Tranquillity but there is a redirecting page there and it won't let me. How can I do this?
Sort of related: How do you move an Image? I want to move this image to a new, more specific name, such as [[Image:DefenderOfTheCrown_AmigaBoxCover.jpg]], but the utility won't let me. Is there a special process for moving images? — Frecklefoot 17:40, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC)
I believe that quiz pages would enhance the browsing experience of readers. By quiz pages, I mean a page with 10 or 20 questions related to an article. For example, a quiz in astronomy would include questions like these:
The difficulty of the quiz would depend on the corresponding article. Also, a list of quiz would allow quick access to all the quiz. There would not be any counting of good responses, and results would not be stored (i.e. this is not a competition).
I have not yet seen such pages on wikipedia. My concern is that this is not a typical content for a encyclopedia, so I would like to have feedback on whether this is accepted, and whether some guidelines should be followed (e.g. is the word 'quiz' ok ?). If OK, I would be happy to start ! Pcarbonn 05:15, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback. I believe it is a great idea to provide ways to access Wikipedia from Wikibooks for the class room, and all your suggestions are good ways to do that. I'm also sympathetic to your concerns that articles should have an 'encyclopedic tone', and that quiz are not in line with that tone. I'm still convinced that there is also a need for the general public to access the encyclopedia in a more 'fun' way, i.e. via quiz, and wikibooks would not be a solution to that because wikibooks is for the classroom. Could I suggest the following as a possible solution agreeable to all ?
There would be 2 ways to browse wikipedia: article to article to article; or quiz to article to article. That is, the list of quiz would be accessible only from the left-hand menu of the (main) page. The policy would be that no quiz can be included in article (so no browsing from article to quiz to article). This way, the general public could choose the tone at the start of their browsing session, and the ones that want an encyclopedic tone are not embarrassed with quiz. Those that like quiz would choose it in the left menu. What do you think ? Pcarbonn 05:12, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I understand your goal and constraints, and I agree with your view. Thanks for clarifying them.
I can also see a potential problem: there is no reference truth on the question "which item should be in a quiz ?", so that the dynamics of creating a quiz is quite different from the dynamics of creating an article. The quality of content could suffer from that, as you suggest. So let's drop the idea. Pcarbonn 11:01, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
There are now 62816 user accounts. The User List doesn't make it easy to find this out though. Maybe it's time for a revamp. -- Derek Ross 04:12, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Agreed. In fact I would go further and state that the User List shouldn't be used for anything nowadays. The current alphabetical, searchless, minimal information layout is practically useless for the number of accounts which it has to deal with. -- Derek Ross
Okay, I'll take a look. -- Derek Ross 04:48, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Am I doing something wrong, or is there something funky going on? The Talk:John Kerry page was quite large so I archived old materials at Talk:John Kerry/Feb 2004 archive, Talk:John Kerry/Mar 2004 archive, and Talk:John Kerry/Family background and added links to them on the main Talk page. But the Family background page always appears in red and clicking on it opens the saved article in an edit window. I've tried refereshing several times and even resaved both articles to no effect. What's going on here? older ≠ wiser 20:13, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Anyone know why WP is suddenly so much slower/balkier? Yesterday I saw a bunch of 'all servers down' messages, and both then and now my browser is timing out trying to contact WP MUCH more than usual, and even when pages finally come up, even tho' they look complete, the status bar shows 'waiting for...' or 'transferring data from...' much longer than normal. Seems like some change in the past 36-48 hours severely hampered WP's performance. Niteowlneils 19:32, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Just wanted to know where I should post a request for comment and arbitration on a specific article. Is it in the Cleanup page? More specifically, is anybody willing to give a third party opinion (or whatever party really...) on the NPOV of the last edits in Brussels article (cf. Brussels' talk page in section neutrality for more on the issue). cheers. -- Edcolins 19:16, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
You might try Wikipedia:Peer review. Rick K 00:21, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Would a smaller version of this picture on the article On Your Mark be fair use? --> Wikipedia talk:Fair use
Why, and for how long? Niteowlneils 17:41, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Although original content is nice, is text from NASA pages, like at http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/factsheet-text.html, considered fair use or public domain, for use on Wikipedia? -- useR:zanimum
http://www.nasa.gov/audience/formedia/features/MP_Photo_Guidelines.html
NASA images generally are not copyrighted. You may use NASA imagery, video and audio material for educational or informational purposes, including photo collections, textbooks, public exhibits and Internet Web pages. This general permission does not include the NASA insignia logo (the blue "meatball" insignia), the NASA logotype (the red "worm" logo) and the NASA seal...
NASA emblems should be reproduced only from original reproduction proofs, transparencies, or computer files available from NASA Headquarters. Please be advised that approval must be granted by the Public Services Division (see above information for address, numbers, etc.) before any reproduction materials can be obtained.
Any questions regarding application of any NASA image or emblem should be directed to: Bert Ulrich Public Services Division NASA Headquarters Code POS Washington, DC 20546
Tel: (202)358-1713 Fax: (202)358-4331 Internet: bert.ulrich@hq.nasa.gov
Tangentially related to the facebook discussion above, it looks like you can now hear the voice of Jimbo Wales. This Newsweek interview has the link, unfortunately I can't check for sure it works where am I right now. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 13:43, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
may make you look trying to fool youself or something. In fact, I think mainly due to accents, many English-speakers think Japanese are not speaking English words when they think they are. Oh, complete off-topic but have you seen Kill Bill? Their Japanese is so bad that I needed to rely on English subtitles to decipher what they are talking. -- Taku 15:53, Apr 30, 2004 (UTC)
(Answering my own question)
I was already familiar with this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dealing_with_vandalism
I have found two additional pages which are helpful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Dealing_with_vandalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism_in_progress
thanks, richard myers
OK. Report it here? Or...?
Can an admin move GTA to Grand Theft Auto so that the former can be turned into a disambig page for Grand Theft Auto and Greater Toronto Area? I don't think it makes sense to have a spelled out title redirect to an acronym. -- Kimiko 19:40, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
It has been reported that there is significant delay in issuing these medals although I received mine without too much delay.
Why wait for applications? The M o D must have records of all those who served out there during the appropriate period. Army Navy RAF Records will also have such lists. Why not issue them based on these lists.? Many Veterans will have answered Roll Call elsewhere and their Descendants may not even be aware.
Maurice Scott ex 1 R Lincolns Mauricescott@Hotmail.com
This sentence was stranded in another section, so I turned it into a header. I think it's been moved to the Ref. Desk anyway, but I'm not sure. - IMSoP 17:04, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
What's with the "mystery" here? -- user:zanimum
Not sure if this is the best place to address this, but this article still exists with a VfD tag from March--the Talk page seems to have a pretty clear consensus to delete. Niteowlneils 02:00, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
...keeps making claims about Wikimedia needing to register with the state of Florida, or something. Any lawyers or anyone tell me what our status is? Meelar 05:32, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
I just thought the word wikispam might be a good catch-phrase to describe those dubious and sinister articles that are thinly-veiled commercial solicitations. See Eyeplaygames.com, an article that should be deleted precisely because it is "wikispam". Anyway, I'd be interested to know what wikians think of wikispam, how to make it std. jargon if enough like it (ie add it to some admin page somewhere), or if there's already a word for these types of articles. Alcarillo 06:47, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I have to leave for the weekend, therefore since I can't follow this up, please feel free to act as you feel appropriate:
Andy Kaufman died on May 16, 1984. He said that if he were to fake his own death, he'd re-emerge 20 years later (more info in the link). Maybe this can be featured as a brief event notice somewhere on the 'pedia. Some might want to know about it in advance, even if only to remember the character. I didn't know where to put this information, and whether it's appropriate, so here it is, in case anyone cares. -- Gutza 13:14, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
How do I nominate someone to have their admin status suspended or revoked? TDC 18:57, Apr 29, 2004 (UTC)
-> Wikipedia talk:Press coverage
Dear Ms/Sir
Is Lindi the new name of the ancient city of Malindi in Tazania?
Some one had said that Malindi is the name of three ancient cities located in Kenya, Tazania and South Africa. Is this true?
Malindi has been mentioned in Zhenghe's navigation chart as the last port of call in East africa.
kk Tan
Can a more knowledgeable/experienced admin fix the cut and paste move of Loch Ness monster to Loch Ness Monster, if possible? There's a page on how to fix cut and paste moves, but I'd rather not fool around with it. Thanks, Minesweeper 11:13, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
So we all know who the ROmans were, but what is their relevancy to modern day technology and life? They certainly were interesting folk, letting the most part of their P.O.W.s actually become citizens of their empire, which lasted over 2000 years!!!! The aqueducs are another sign of their ingenuity and originality. So, what do YOU know about the Romans, who influenced our life today? Where would we be without them? Comments, please!
Prestidigitation - thursday - Florida
Death by drowning - distrito federal - Jutland
And your question is...?
Is proper Wikipedia procedure being followed in the Copyvio investigation going on for Saturday Night Live ? - Bevo 03:02, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
Who was Karl Josef Weinmair? I'm looking for detailed, in depth biographical information.
Where does marina Oswald Porter live now? Does she have a email?
Could you do a family tree based on
with the addition of children, see http://www.aboutdarwin.com/darwin/Children.html ; some were quite important in their own right.). That way we can also replace the image with links! It can be put into:
which is at MediaWiki:Darwin
and also add a photo to the blue box would be nice.
Would it be possible then to do an image map? Duncharris 10:25, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
You could do it as an ordinary table,(with small images for the lines) but it would be a monster. I'll have a go if anyone wants me too. theresa knott 18:59, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
Why would you call it the "so-called" great train wreck in Nashville, Tn on July 9,1918. 101 people died . Many were soldiers returning from WWI and over have of the victims were African Americans going to work in the Dupont plant.This was very gruesome and tragic event. The newspaper says that wagon loads of body parts were taken to the morge. One witness said that the young mother sitting next to him was decapitaited and her arm was shoved "into her baby." I don't know what Wikipedia ment by the "so-called" great train wreck, but it sounds like a terrible wreck to me. The 1998 article reads "worst train wreck in US history." I am obviously offended by your statement . You should change that before a survivor or relative of someone who was killed reads it.i understand that ignorance was probaly the reason for this offensive blunder. So you are forgiven, but you need to change the statement.
Does anyone know what is going on with all the articles being added related to Machine Translation? E.g., Online Dictionaries and Translators, History of translation technology, Basic features and terminology, Ancient wisdom for the modern world, The great library of Alexandria, Translators throught history, History of machine translation by W.John Hutchins, History of translation and on and on.
Most appear to be copy and pasted from somewhere, quite likely a copyvio, and others are simply unencyclopedic substubs. The following users have contributed, though there may be others as well. User:212.8.80.248, User:Iratxe gonzalez, User:Irune Berdún. Some blithely recreate articles that have been speedily deleted and others overwrite the copyvio notices. If this is a class of some sort, is there any way to contact the instructor? older≠ wiser 19:10, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
Theres a discussion and poll going on at Talk:New York, New York that needs a wider view of the wikipedia community. the discussion is about moving New York, New York to New York City, New York (city) or some other name. Come give your opinion and take part in the poll (near bottom of page). Theon 13:31, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
Naming poll closed. Fallout on Talk:New York, New York and/or Talk:City of New York
Dear Panditji
I have been visiting your site since last month everyday, I find it an extremely useful source of Vaastu which helps a lot of people in learning the real science behind vaastu which other sites dont even mention about. Your site is THE BEST SITE i have come across.
Panditji I have a question to ask you. We live in Dubai and planning to shift from a rented house to a rented villa, currently the villa work is going on, its a new villa its a north-east entrance, it would take another 20 days to complete atleast. My question to you is would it be wise to shift to the new house on May 24. Is it a good month as well as a good day? Is the Shukra weak at this point in time.
If 24th May isnt good month would it be advisable to stay on the 19th of may in the house for a night and cook a little and some back to the old house and then shift once the work is complete. if not 19th of may which other day would you advise.
We are in Jewellery business which involve sale of gold and diamonds. As diamonds relate to Shukra we donnot want to shift to the new house if it isnt good. Please advise, we would really appreciate if you can give us your advise.
Awaiting for your reply
Thank you very much. Regards Heemanshu Waya
We have a Welcome Committee to greet new users, but once they get greeted, they're rarely subject to much positive at the hands of other users, and many of them are subjected to a slew of insults from trolls, vandals, etc. Perhaps we should have a parallel committee, modeled after the WC, to compliment users when we see good edits, substantial work on pages, etc. Something less than a barnstar, but still a nice thing to do for the users. I suspect that, after a lengthy edit, it would be more than a little welcome to see a post on your talk page to let you know you did a good job, and that this would foster Wikilove Snowspinner 20:50, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
What's the policy on this? Someone has created the page Ohosaka to redirect to Osaka. This just seems like a complete waste of space to me. Can I just delete it? The same applies to several pages using the romanization Õsaka -- Japanese romanization systems do not use that O with the tilde thing over it. Exploding Boy 23:27, May 2, 2004 (UTC)
Has anyone noticed the changes to forms?
-- Saint-Paddy 21:52, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
They look fine now. Hmmm. Are my eyes playing tricks on me? Am I paranoid or something? Nah. It's just browser I bet. I don't where it came from though weird. It just seems that Go and Search had white backgrounds instead of grey and the search and summary forms had a glossy white look to them, or kinda like something like Mac-form field. Never mind. It's too hard to explain.
moved to Wikipedia:Reference desk#Medals for Suez Canal Zone Veterans by IMSoP 18:41, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
This seems to apply when going for some articles but not on others. I don't know what the rules are but, more to the point, shouldn't case sensitivity be totally disabled for this search function? Dainamo 21:56, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
I'd appreciate some thoughts on this please. My interest and, cough, expertise lies with comedy. And, since I'm British, British comedy.
I've been working on a couple of broad articles, notably sitcom and television comedy.
The thing is they are grotesquely skewed to UK/US information. And I, for one - though I would never have thought about it without Wikipedia - am now curious about sitcoms and TV comedy from around the globe. What the hell's it like? I ask myself. And Wikipedia's articles, currently, cannot help me.
So. How can I attract the non-English speaking globe to our English Language comedy pages?
I've added the articles to Wikipedia:Pages needing attention, but I have this nagging sense that all the best potential contributors are over on their own language versions.
Is there a separate page for this kind of request? Something like 'Pages Needing Global Perspective', perhaps?
-- bodnotbod 21:17, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not allow the HTML tag <span>
. Why?
Very often we insert some non-English words in English texts. It is desirable to always mark them as belogning to a particular language.
The best way to do it is to write like this: <span lang="xx">some foreign text</span>.
But the <span> tag is not available. Of course, one may write instead like this: <font lang="xx">some foreign text</font>, but it is not so nice (because we do not want to change font, but only to change language).
So it is necessary eigther to allow the tag <span>
, or to invent some Wikipedia-specific way of language tagging (which will translate into <span></span>
). —
Monedula
11:05, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
Perhaps we should have some pseudo-tag for language marking? Something like
<lang xx>
some foreign text</lang>
, which will translate into <span lang="xx">
some foreign text</span>
?
I use <i lang="xx"> for this. Of course it's not so good if you don't want italics, but often when you insert text from one language into a running stream of another language italics are conventional anyway. Marnanel 22:19, May 2, 2004 (UTC)
The thing is that this is not a discussion, but I have read above someone was setting up some new hardware and (as I feel it is faster I think it has been already set up) I wanted to say many thanks and a big cheers to whomever did it.
If the above is incorrect, please remove. Pfortuny 10:08, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
Moved to (and answered at) Wikipedia:Reference desk#Plastic bullets in NI
I have reverted a case of minor vandalism. I mentioned revert in the editing explanation. Should i do anything further to report the vandal (an IP address), or does someone (or some process) examine reverts to track such incidents?
Richard Myers
I'm very new to this so forgive me this is a yawn inducingly old idea.
I've noted the way books are to be cited, and the page which clicking an ISBN number takes you to.
I also note that this provides a source of funding as some click-thrus will give Wikipedia money for any sales made on referral.
For the uninitiated, you can see an example here.
What I was wondering is, would there be any value in having a Book Citation Drive to push up the number of book sales that Wikipedia earns commission on?
Of course, we would want to make sure additions are relevant - you can see the 3 I've added to the Dad's Army article at Further Reading
I figured if you had a splash on the front page and some other reminders strategically placed, it might cause an increase in citations and funds.
If you wanted to be gung-ho about it, Wikipedia could be a lot more aggressive in funneling click-thrus to those retailers Wikipedia can get money from - but I suspect that's against the spirit of Wikipedia. -- bodnotbod 01:45, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
.. head over to Talk:Abu Ghraib and let us know how coverage in your paper was of the Abu Ghraib prison incident. We'd like to add some empirical data to the article about a disparity (or not) between US and European media coverage.-- Eloquence * 01:19, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
April just disappeared a couple hours early of UTC, and the page seems way to empty! Where is the link to the previous month. It's been a few months since I have been at the wikipedia, but didn't we used to keep the last months news up there for at least a day before?! Also, the history is gone, did someone delete it and over write it? { MB | マイカル } 21:55, Apr 30, 2004 (UTC)
I just dug out an old book (The Clip Art Book, 1980; Amazon link. You have to scan in the illustrations, but there are over 5000 pictures of all kinds of things. There are line drawings of probably famous people (not labeled), tons of pages of old tools (many of which I cant' identify), lots of pictures of a wide variety of horse-drawn carriages & all other kinds of older transportation, people doing all knds of things, plants & food, anatomical sketches, architecture, sports, costume & clothing, weapons & hearldry & armour, animals... jeez I could be here for the rest of my life scanning them in. Get it and start scanning! See what I've uploaded for European dueling sword and Tonsure. Elf | Talk 18:06, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Why, and for how long? Niteowlneils 17:41, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I came across Hacker clans on RC patrol, but I don't know the material well enough to know if it is legit or vanity. I don't want to post it to VfD if it is legit. Anyone? SWAdair | Talk 08:50, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
This may sound weird, but I don't leave 'welcome' messages, and don't want to start now. But, doing some RC patrol I stumbled on a series of contribs from a new user, and I hope that someone from the Welcoming Committee will leave the user a welcome. It's User:Lynnea9. About a dozen new articles on valid topics within about 40 minutes indicates enthusiasm that should be encouraged. But the user could use the benefit of pointers to some of the Style, etc. pages, as the contribs tend to be unformated and barely stubs. I've been working on cleaning up the entries, but I would like her to get a welcome (from someone other than me). Niteowlneils 05:42, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I promise I'll learn how to report and look up bugs to the system after tonight, but this is one that requires fairly immediate attention and I don't know how to sort it. User:192.195.64.72 is on a personal crusade to blank various pages he doesn't like. I have tried blocking them following appropriate warning, went through the appropriate system, and they are carrying on using the same IP regardless. Is there a problem with the blockip tool? -- Graham :) | Talk 01:25, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The first time I looked at the Deletion log, I noticed people deleting latin name articles that redirected to the organism's common English name article. Why would they do that? Does Wikipedia is not paper not apply to redirs? Also, wouldn't the latin names have more currency in non-Eng nations, so the redirs would be quite helpful? Also, some articles, like List of freshwater aquarium fish species specifically use the latin name redirs. Niteowlneils 19:20, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Since I just found this discussion (I don't frequent VP) and no one has asked, I'll comment anyway. Some of the time I spend on WP I troll RC for interesting things. At some point the two links in question came to my attention. I saw they needed some work, added a taxobox to the article, etc. When I ofund the article, it looked like this. The scientific name links were only used from the article itself to redir back to itself. Seeing this as needless, and removing the links from the article, I then deleted the redirs. Now that I've started Wikipedia:WikiProject Cephalopods, I actually prefer having the sci name links, so thanks for undeleting them! I like {{msg: R_from_scientific_name}} very much, and I'll keep it in mind. - UtherSRG 17:17, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
-> Talk:Nashville, Tennessee]]
Could anyone please tell me how Wikipedia handles privacy issues? For example, keeping passwords and keeping the watchlists. Is it readable by any others? TIA -- Rrjanbiah 14:27, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I tried to upload some images but kept getting 'This image cannot be displayed because it has errors'. I think others may have the same problem. Is this a software/system bug? -- Kaihsu 12:53, 2004 Apr 29 (UTC)
You can now paste an IP address into the search box and click "go", and it will take you to the contributions page. -- Tim Starling 03:26, Apr 29, 2004 (UTC)
I think that adding links to the corresponding page on http://nutritiondata.com to food-related articles might be a good idea. Do other Wikipedians agree, and does anyone know of a nutrition site which might be better? Eurleif 00:41, Apr 29, 2004 (UTC)
Don't know if this has been discussed before. A number of people seem to find it frustrating when people don't provide an edit summary. I do.
How about when someone clicks "save changes" and hasn't filled in a summary they get a "You have not provided an edit summary!" alert, and are left on the edit screen with the blank space staring at them expectantly?
-- bodnotbod 09:39, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
I'm kinda newbie here. I'd thought that there will be some kind of mark up for syntax highlighting of programs like <program lang="PHP">..code here..</program> But, I couldn't find anything such. So, I have experimented few syntax highlighting with PHP's highlight_file() in few articles: PHP programming language#Code_Examples, Hello world program#Perl, and C programming language#Hello,_World!_in_C As Wiki is fast, I strongly believe this might be already discussed. Could someone please direct me to such thing? TIA. -- Rrjanbiah 12:21, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
Amandag6 is a newbie, and on his talk page, I put this message User talk:Amandag6, welcoming him, and asking him to review other Wikipedia articles, to see the style we write encyclopedia articles in. However, he keeps creating orphan stubs by the dozen, in a definition format. What to do? -- user:zanimum
The locked wiki warning isn't appearing on all the pages, I'm currently surfing the the Tom Clancy article and I'm clicking on some of the links and the warning is appearing and on others it's not. I think there might be a problem, I don't know, but of course I don't I'm not a sysop or the server admin. -- 24.128.142.43 21:32, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
Hmmm. Yes, I was absent-minded a bit when I typed that, I thought I logged in when I wasn't. Hehe. Oops, oh well. Hopefully, its gone now. -- Saint-Paddy 00:29, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
This is just a funny article I wrote when I saw the link on EntmootsOfTrolls user page. Don't ask me why I made it, I was bored and needed something to do and so I created that. Of course, It's just parody of the "real" articles of "REAL" monarchs. Anyways if you want to access it go to Wikipedia:King of Wikipedia, Also, I don't If it goes into votes for deletion, It's not THAT unless there are some people who acutally worship Jimbo and kiss the ground he walks on.
Acutally, Angela wants me to move it to the MetaWiki. -- Saint-Paddy 00:29, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
If a particular username is known to be a sock puppet and has been established as a sock puppet by Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration, is it acceptable to put some sort of message on the sock puppet's user page that links to the usual name of the user so that people know that the username is a known sock puppet?
For example, suppose someone normally edits under the name "AAA". And for the purposes of a dispute, that user created the sock puppets "BBB" and "CCC". The dispute was taken to arbitration, where the committee concluded that "BBB" and "CCC" were indeed sock puppets of "AAA". In that case, can someone, say, on the arbitration committee, edit those user pages, putting a message on "User:BBB" and "User:CCC" along the lines of:
The reason I'm asking for this is that otherwise when combing through the page histories of certain pages, it can be unclear who had been involved in editing it. -- Lowellian 00:35, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
I have started an RfC and a vote on Talk:Kosovo and Metohia#Vote on the name on the naming issue. Please give your comments and vote there. Thanks, Dori | Talk 03:14, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
As a contributor to both Wikipedia and Wikitravel, what is involved in getting Wikitravel mapped in Wikipedia's Interwiki system? I link a lot of Wikitravel articles to the Wikipedia article. I would like to link in the reverse direction. Is there a policy for this? What would the format be? Something like wikitravel:article name ? -- Nzpcmad 07:51, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
I was talking to Sunir about this recently. Our interwiki map was just copied from the interwiki map at meatball. That map is not intended to be a common interwiki map for all wikis, it's intended to be a shortcut to sites which are often mentioned on Meatball. So what we need to do is to make our own map. I've made a start, at meta:Interwiki map. -- Tim Starling 09:58, May 6, 2004 (UTC)
Today's main page has Did you know... links to Broadmoor Hospital and mental institution. The first is now peppered with redlinks (as a result of it's front page appearance, one imagines) - the nature of which will not be understood by a first time visitor ("Yikes! How have I hacked the site? I just pressed a link.").
The second, to my mind, is a pretty shoddy article in that it is riddled with implied and explicit criticism of the subject from start to finish: criticism, which, whilst valid, really needs to be explored as a discussion of the subject later in the article rather than entangled throughout.
Whilst I know something of the subject, it isn't really enough I'd feel happy tackling it. I've listed it on pages needing attention.
My point is: a little care in what is put on the front page may be called for? I would hate to think of people being made sour on such a fantastic project by ill chosen main page links. -- bodnotbod 11:45, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
If you don't like the articles featured in DYK, then do this:
This way, everyone benefits. This was my intent when I invented DYK -- getting people to keep an eye on newly created articles. Brushing the bad ones under the carpet won't do us any good.-- Eloquence * 00:46, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
Do we need a Wikipedia:Awards article, maybe linked from announcements like the one actually on the main page? -- till we *) 09:36, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia:Reference desk#Lindi and Malindi by IMSoP 10:21, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
There was some discussion over at Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship about the number of admins we have (initaited by yours truly, for better or for worse), so I did some statistical analysis. The final result is this excel document. I figured the results might be of interest to some people, so I thought I'd share them here. Comments are welcome. →Raul654 06:55, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
WikiProject Cat breeds - New project; need participants
A project in the same style as Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds but with the specifics for cat breeds. There needs to be a table template made and pictures located etc. Incentive: There are a bunch of requests for cat breed pages at Wikipedia:requested articles/Mathematical and Natural Sciences. Bensaccount 01:58, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Can anyone help with the formatting problem being discussed at Talk:Panamanian election, 2004? Adam 01:10, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Can I serve my Community Punishment Order by editing Wikipedia? Troll Silent, Troll Deep 22:38, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
I'm concerned about people adding "Largest Cities" to the state MediaWiki boxes. I don't argue with adding the cities, but some are, I think, going overboard. For instance, for MediaWiki:Ohio I only added the very largest cities. However, MediaWiki:Maine has more cities listed than counties! We need to find some reasonable standardization on this. jaknouse 22:25, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Could you do a family tree based on
with the addition of children, see http://www.aboutdarwin.com/darwin/Children.html ; some were quite important in their own right.). That way we can also replace the image with links! It can be put into:
which is at MediaWiki:Darwin
and also add a photo to the blue box would be nice.
Would it be possible then to do an image map? Duncharris 10:25, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
You could do it as an ordinary table,(with small images for the lines) but it would be a monster. I'll have a go if anyone wants me too. theresa knott 18:59, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
I think it's a major oversight that we don't have a page on Einsatzgruppe. I've added a stub. Please help me to fill out.
Thanks. orthogonal 19:33, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
A LonelyWiki guide perhaps? Where can I find it? If not, how do I start it? Thanks! Mark Richards 17:09, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Help! Or maybe it's just my browser. The Kentucky coffeetree article has a citation link to Karl Koch (botanist), but the link is stuck on "edit" even though the article exists. I've gone to the Karl Koch article and resaved it, but it hasn't helped (and, of course, I've reloaded the coffeetree article several times). Anybody know what's going on? jaknouse 14:59, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Naming poll closed. Fallout on Talk:New York, New York and Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names)
Could you phone James Schwartz on (617) 566-4262 and ask him to email me at dunc_harriscoughhotmail.com (with cough replaced by 'at) re: George R. Price please? I don't fancy a trans-Atlantic phone call. If he doesn't know who Price is, you've got the wrong number! Duncharris 12:53, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
Well my idea was that I was trying to contact George R. Price's family to see if I could get a photo of him, a bit of original research. James Schwartz has written the definitive biography of Price. Unfortunately, googling for George Price turns up no resources, [5], George R. Price George R. Price does little better, George Price ESS gets a few, George Price equation gets a few more conceptual topics. Read the article and Schwartz's biography; he was a fascinating gentleman. Duncharris 16:19, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
Quick note: There is a link to a pdf version of the biography in the main article. Duncharris 16:25, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
I'll probably send something snail mail then ;) Duncharris 10:27, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
Should articles on the Main Page include red links? --> Talk:Main Page
When I use a single greek letter in math, as in
"mit <math>\beta</math> multipliziert",
I get a minus sign after it in the output:
"mit multipliziert"
Is this a known bug? Am I doing something wrong?
Fpahl
09:42, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Use the HTML entity, regardless. & beta; (without the space) produces β Dysprosia 09:51, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
--> m:bugs
-->Interwiki links to Wikitravel should be included in the interwiki map. See m:Talk:Interwiki map.
Naming issue. Please vote at Talk:Kosovo and Metohia#Vote on the name if the vote is still there. (Check the history if it's not)
Thought I'd sound people out on this. A number of my contributions are likely to be biographies of British entertainers. I'm pretty sure that in a paper encyclopedia there would be very little or no quoted passages from the artist themselves giving colour to biographical detail but, as we know, Wiki is not paper (see, in particular, ==no size limits==).
I am particularly interested in comedy performers and I feel that having something from them that contributes to the life story and indicates their sense of humour is a good thing and makes for more interesting reading. However, I can see that traditionalists might baulk at this.
The bio style guide isn't helpful on this point.
I would not be excessive in this regard but I'm trying to guage whether there is an almost complete intolerance to quoted passages (as very distinct from notable quotes, without surrounding context) used in bios.
Opinions?
-- bodnotbod 20:19, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
What's with the "mystery" here? -- user:zanimum
Recently I came across a strange problem with rtl (right to left) direction fonts. For example, please look at Google#Other_national_Googles and see the India (at 16 position). It is messed up with the rtl text. Is there any solution for this? TIA -- Rrjanbiah 12:35, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
-->Feature suggestion moved to m:Syntax highlighting
I'm curious: when more than one sysop blocks a user, does the user see the message from the first blocking sysop or the last blocking sysop? To answer this question, I ask that a sysop block this account. I'll also block it, and then I'll check which message appears on the "You are blocked from editing" screen. Thanks, Cyan, a.k.a Socku Puppetto 21:05, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned at the contents of MediaWiki:Noncommercial, which reads at present
This image is not licenced under the GFDL. It is under a non-commercial-use only licence. Copyrights.
and is linked to by a number of image pages and also possibly used on others by means of the subst: syntax.
This seems to me to directly violate both Image_use_policy#Copyright_(images) and Wikipedia:Copyrights#Contributors'_rights_and_obligations. I'd suggest we either update the policy pages or add the following text to MediaWiki:Noncommercial:
Unless a GFDL compatible license is granted, the image will shortly be removed.
And, of course, do it. But that's a bit drastic. I'd like other comments. Have I missed something here? Andrewa 19:54, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
-> MediaWiki:VfD-Translation articles
Thought I'd alert people to the fact that language links to tokipona.wikipedia.org's content don't work... In Wikipedia, [[tokipona:lipu sona Wikipesija]] was placed, and it doesn't work. Can someone change the software to allow for lanugage codes greater than two letters, or should the Tokipona language Wikipedia's address itself be changed to a non-occupied language code? -- user:zanimum
Is it my computer, or is wikiquote behaving very strangely? All I get is a wide variety of error messages and display problems. Tuf-Kat 07:42, May 6, 2004 (UTC)
Can anyone suggest how to get multiple small message boxes to display next to each other? For example I was looking at New Zealand and at the bottom it has two large messages, followed by one small 'mgs:New Zealand' ; I though it might be good to have the message 'msg:Australasia' next to it.
But the Wikipedia engine does not seem to allow it as far as I can see; can any assist with wisdom on this? Daeron 06:15, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
-> Wikipedia:Copyright problems
...meanwhile, rogue pages are robbing old ladies and drinking cider on the street corners.
I found, and considered signing up to, Wikipedia:New pages patrol. I think the time slot idea is great - it might help me structure my day, instead of spending 14 hours on here ;o)
But I don't fancy signing up as member #2 much. How can I get admins to sit up and take a 15 minute slot? Or was this idea abandoned? Superceded? -- bodnotbod 00:03, May 6, 2004 (UTC)
Heya.
Just curious whether the 'English' language wikipedia is in fact in English or American. I find myself forever 'correcting' Americanisms, and I'm not sure if I'm just creating work for more knowledgable editors. So, clarification would be handy =)
--Si
Ahem. proper English, American
British English,
American English. Let's not use inflammatory terminology if we can avoid it, thanks.
Nohat 20:34, 2004 May 5 (UTC)
Wise words above from User:Niteowlneils. I've occasionally wondered whether it'd be worth the effort to tag articles, by means of a remmed-out comment on the first line, indicating: "This article follows the canons of UK / US / Indian / Canadian / NZ / Belizean / etc. English" -- with links to Wikipedia:Canons of UK English, etc. UK subjects would get tagged UK, US subjects would get tagged US, etc., and all the others would get tagged according to whether the article history first records "color" or "colour" (or, indeed, Taoiseach, Billabong, or Lakh). It might save some squabbling, perhaps even an unfortunate 'alas' or two. –Hajor 22:13, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Please note the upshot of all this. 'Correcting' American or British spellings is not welcome in either direction except under specific circumstances, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Usage and spelling. In fact have a read of the whole thing while you're there, and perhaps we need to update the Wikipedia:tutorial to make the policy a little more upfront. Andrewa 19:22, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
Seems to be an enthusiastic and sincere, even if minimalistic, contributor, and could use a welcome and guidance (I have only been here a short time, and am not ready to do welcomes). Niteowlneils 19:46, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
I just had an idea for the main page. It seems like the articles on the main page get a lot of attention. Why not have a 'featured stub article' of the day, like the regular featured article, and hope that it gets a little attention by being in the spotlight? That might help get more info into those stub articles.
This has probably been suggested before. Thank you guys for working so hard on this project! I use it all the time.
Somewhere in Wikipedia is a page about sites that link to Wikipedia but it seems I cannot find it - Nilmerg 11:45, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Evolutionary_biology
Announcement, we've set this up. Anyone interested? Duncharris 11:30, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
Picking the missing article David Bates from the most wanted articles list to write, I've found something a bit odd. There appear to be no fewer than 8 different notable David Bates's mentioned in other Wikipedia articles and one or two non-notables. And not a single page existed for any of them.
Would anyone care to help me unravel this please ? - TB
I think that there's something fundamentally wrong with the way that we write about programming languages. Most articles on programming languages discuss the most popular compiler/interpreter for the language, but the language is a seperate topic to the language.
For example, C Sharp programming language talks about how "C# does not compile to binary code which can be executed directly by the target computer", but that's just how some implementations of the language work. It has nothing to do with the language itself. It would be possible to make implement a C# compiler that compiles to binary code. The article is about the language, not compilers.
Java programming language says that Java code can be compiled once and then run anywhere. But this is talking about Sun and IBM's Java compilers. It isn't true for gjc, for example, which compiles to native code.
QBasic programming language says "Microsoft stopped shipping QBasic with later versions of Windows". How does Microsoft ship a programming language (as the article is clearly about from the title), an abstract concept? Whoever wrote this is talking about a single implementation of the language.
What can we do about this?
Is there a policy about listing these? Someone edited The Carpenters by adding a second fan site to the list of external links. The Carpenters Webring includes 19 sites, and I'm sure plenty of bands, movie stars, etc. have many more than that. Listing all and listing none both seem like bad ideas. I suspect that, in many cases, the selection of sites to list is based on the site owners having shown up and added their own sites, which doesn't seem like much of a policy. JamesMLane 06:42, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
That's a very good idea. I'll keep it in mind if I'm creating an article or adding the first fan site (although even then I might sometimes get lazy and settle for linking to a good site that I happened to know about, even if further research might uncover another that was slightly better). But what would you do in editing an article that had one or more fan sites already listed? or if, as in the case that prompted my question, someone adds a fan site link to an existing article? Ruthlessly excising all such additions seems draconian. Allowing them all to remain will clutter the external links and reward the most assiduous self-promoters. In this instance, I did nothing except to add "fan site" after the link. JamesMLane 11:43, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
One of the URLs at Gift economy#External links includes a "$" as a character. Looks like the wiki can't cope with this. Is there a workaround? If not, is there a preferred way to deal with this in the article? It looks to me like a very worthwhile link, and I don't want to lose it. -- Jmabel 23:15, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
Nice. Is there somewhere I should have been able to find this workaround, since it is obviously specific to the wiki and not generic to HTML? -- Jmabel
Whatever happened to the interwiki page-move system? --Smack 19:49, 8 May 2004 (UTC) 195.5/19
Come and help out at Wikipedia:WikiProject Historical States! We're still trying to get a template developed.-- Jia ng 00:46, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
How and by whom are the "Conventions under consideration" ( Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Conventions under consideration) under consideration? When and how are they adopted or abandonded? --> Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions
--> Wikipedia talk:External links
Wikipedia:Categories of pages needing attention is lovely and concise. That is all. +sj +
--> Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Programming Languages
There is a mirror of Wikipedia at www.nexuscience.com. It doesn't appear on Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks, and I'm not sure what the procedure is for dealing with these. At a first glance there seems to be some issues with compliance. For instance, there is no list of main authors, or link back to the Wikipedia article (just to the main page).
The existance of this site came to my attention on new pages patrol when an article about the site was created: Nexuscience.
"This is the webmaster and creator of Nexuscience.com. It was created in response to my admiration of the Wikipedia itself, and was not mirrored, but directly downloaded and then re-formatted from a wikipedia dump found on Wikipedia. I had seen a reference to the idea of somebody offering the Wikipedia on CD-ROM, and so endeavored to do so. I found that Wikipedia requested that webspiders not crawl the site, and so downloaded the most recent dump I could find on Wikipedia. I admit that selling the CD may have motivated me to play with the data, but it is the playing with of the data I find intriguing. I hope to cross-reference the articles in new ways with public domain information, possibly the guttenberg project. Any suggestions on compliance with Wikipedia copyright or the GNU/FDL will be considered heavily and adhering to such rules will be a priority of the project. I'm basically doing this for fun, and would be happy to lower the price of the CD-ROM, pledge a donation of the proceeds to Wikipedia, and accept Wikipedia's comments and input on the mirror. I may be a bit more commercial in mindset than the Wikipedia concept as a whole, however I do wish to create a compliant, up to date resource of the Wikipedia, along with other GNU/FDL and public domain resources. Contact information is available on the webpage, I am not sure if I am supposed to post such information here. Any assistance or suggestions on operating Nexuscience.com to the satisfaction of Wikipedia is greatly appreciated. www.nexuscience.com"
Various Nexuscience issues. WikiSpam and GFDL compliance. See Wikipedia talk:Mirrors and forks
What am I doing wrong. I have started, written and saved a page. I then log out, clear the computer of cookies, and do a google search for the page I have written. Google finds it, but always opens it in the edit mode, rather than as a completed document. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong? Ragussa 13:25, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
I think there should be a link back to the parent page, in every page; Of course, we can use the back button in our explorers. But, after editing a page and saving it, if we click 'back' it goes to the editing page again. So 'The parent article link' feature would make life a lot easier. I havent scanned the whole page to see if such a feature already exists. So, even if such a feature already exists, please make it more eye-catching. : SudhirP 05:01, May 12, 2004 (UTC)
I have made some suggestions about how to handle offensive content on wikipedia, it needs some peer review. -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 20:54, 2004 May 12 (UTC)
Hello,
My name is Alan Gray and I live in Llanbedrog, which is in the Lleyn Peninsula area of North Wales. Myself, my wife and a number of friends, as part of our retirement lifestyle have invested in a luxury power catamaran charter boat to provide opportunities for visitors to our fantastically beautiful area to see the wildlife that lives here. Our reward is watching our vistors enthuse about what they see. Their contribution (administered by the local Tourist Board), go towards the running costs of our boat.
One of the most fantastic sights we see, is the thousands of Manx Shearwaters either rafting or wheeling around above our boat on our journey to Bardsey Island.You will of course know that Bardsey is the home to 20,000 breeding Manx Shearwaters.
In our efforts to promote our business (along with the well-being of Bottle-Nosed Dolphins, Grey Seals and Manx Shearwaters), we wondered if it would be possible to feature us on your magnificent website.
Our website is www.shearwater.info (which is the name of our boat), but our URL, which I understand is much more important is: http://www.llynmarinecharters.supanet.com
Anyway, even if you can't feature us, thanks for what you do and we wish you every success for the future.
Many thanks
Alan
Is it possible to delete the whole history of one page forever? How?
WikiProject Horse breeds is a new project that needs participants. Organizations that set the standards for horse breeds are needed for the table template. Bensaccount 02:24, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
If someone is named, say, John Crypt, and he receives a life peerage, he'd be known as John Crypt, Baron Crypt of London. When I link to his name, should I link John Crypt, Baron Crypt of London or Lord London? I prefer the latter, but just making sure. cryptfiend64 01:36, May 14, 2004 (UTC)
From time to time here comes a guy and starts to "fix rediects". A recent example is massive change of Transsiberian Railroad into Transsiberian Railway.
It is one thing to fix redirects from, e.g., common misspellings. It is totally meaningless IMO thing to replace a perfectly valid and almost as common name, like in the example above. In some particular case I fixed some time ago, the article author intentionally used an archaic term, only to be "fixed" by some overzealous wikipeditor.
Guys, please be reasonable. Think about other useful things you can do, like Wikipedia:New pages patrol. Mikkalai 18:25, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
Offensive pictures, human genitalia, human humiliation, torture and co, are not treated along the same standards on Wikipedia; In particular, female genitalia are hidden, while male genitalia are visible or pictures of torture are visible as well, such as on Iraq prison abuse scandal. In short, double standards exist, that indicate Wikipedia is somehow censoring a simple clitoris, while showing erected penis or pictures that make many people just feel sick in disgust. I am troubled by this. I would like some opinions about this, and to know how people feel like about censorship (ie, removing images), hidding images behind links (eg, the clitoris) or just plain display potentially offending images (eg, torture). SweetLittleFluffyThing
Right, but aside from displaying or not displaying nude pictures, is that okay to you that pictures of male genitalia are displayed (hence, not enough offensive) while pictures of females genitalia are hidden (for being very offensive) ? Is there a pov there ? SweetLittleFluffyThing
My concern is that putting some of the more offensive images (Goatse, pictures of dead bodies, etc) up violates NPOV. That is to say, since there is usually a substantial controversy over the appropriateness of showing these images, it is POV for us to show them. We should offer links on a factual ground, but in the case of really controversial and debatable images, to display them is to say that it's OK to display them. We should remain neutral - those who feel it's right to view these things should be able to. Those who feel it should be hidden should not have to. This is the best NPOV compromise available. Snowspinner 00:15, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
I would draw a strong distinction between "shock" images of torture or execution, and clinical, non-shocking, non-sexual anatomical pictures. Absolutely, the article on "penis" should show a picture of a penis. Why shouldn't an eleven year old girl see a picture of a penis if she's curious about the human body? Are we really going to deny her access to that information because it offends some people's moral scruples?
The article on foot contains inline images. So does the one on Ear. There is no intellectually honest reason for excluding one from penis or clitoris, or the rest. Really, a penis or a clitoris is a lot like a foot or an ear, except that a lot more people are curious about the "sexual" organs because they don't happen to have them.
It's the job of an encyclopedia to "shine light into the darkness" on these issues and say, "look, there it is, a clitoris. Now what was the big deal?"
- Thparkth 20:07, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
Do not forget to vote and give your opinion at Talk:Nick Berg, where on ongoing poll is going on, over the keep/remove/inlinelink severed head of Nick Berg. This is a poll to try to determine a new policy on the topic of potentially offending images. Thank you for all your comments :-) SweetLittleFluffyThing 05:33, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
What follows is a discussion that was erroneously started on the wrong page - the issue was first raised by User:66.185.84.80. Please note that the IP 66.185.84.80 is a shared Canadian IP that is being used here by the banned user User:Paul Vogel. <- BCorr
66.185.84.80's issue: I wish to have this issue addressed by more people. For it is clear, when surfing the various race-related articles such as Jews, African-American, Blacks, Caucasian, Whites, and racism, that articles involving the issue of race does not at all give even approximately equal treatment to the various races and ethnicities. In fact, White people seem to consistantly get the deep end of this. Specifically, I bring up that,
Thank you. Please reply with your opinion on this.
User:Hyacinth/Full disclosure. First let me note that, 66.185.84.80, you almost seem to be advancing an anti-affirmative action agenda. At the very least, it seems that you disagree with affirmative action as it now stands (which is fine). It seems that, 66.185.84.80 and Snowspinner, you are both talking about different things. Snowspinner, Wikipedia should indeed reflect reality, which includes not only terms and their usage, but the reality/irreality described and not described by those terms. I do agree with you that racism is usually understood to mean racism against non-white peoples in America. Wikipedia, like many things, has a strong pervasive American bias, and this seems to be one incidence of that. I, at the moment, do not agree with 66.185.84.80 that racism is mostly against white peoples. The burden of proof is on you here, and if you have sources which argue this please cite your sources. Also, feel free to add a paragraph to reverse discrimination regarding objections to the term itself. This too would be greatly improved by citing sources, and I imagine that someone has been critical of the term itself. More importantly, I hope someone has directed you to Wikipedia's policy on neutrality: Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Hyacinth 02:03, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
The mainstream definition of racism, going from dictionary.com, which can usually be trusted in its lousiness to totally fail to reflect any subtlties in the usage of the word, is discrimination based on race - not merely different treatment. As for your FBI numbers, come on - look at them. Think about the numbers per capita. Consider the number of whites there are to commit hate crimes against, compared to the number of blacks, and then tell me with a straight face that those numbers point to any sort of institutionalized or substantive anti-white trend in America. Look at the arrest rates, and compare them to regular arrest rates by race. Put the numbers in some context, and they immediately show a trivial amount of anti-white crime per capita. About .00067% of whites were victims of a hate crime, compared to .011% of blacks. In other words, blacks are six times more likely to be victims of hate crimes. Nationally, whites make up 37.3% of incarcerations, compared to 60.1% for blacks. In terms of hate crimes, whites make up 53.2% of those arrested, whereas blacks only make up 26.7%. So, no, the statistics don't give you any real support for a claim of institutionalized or substantive anti-white racism in the United States when you actually look at the numbers. As for Affirmative Action, I point out again that criticisms of Affirmative Action exist in the relevent articles. What are you really looking for here? Snowspinner 07:26, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
Greetings.
After doing somewhat heavy contributing to the Wikipedia for some time now, I've started wondering if there are any generally agreed rules for what kinds of external links should be placed in articles. I notice what I consider to be junk links here and there, but although this is often a result of my personal opinion, I sometimes feel more objective in my complaint.
Besides having an obvious rule of relevance to the article, I would like to submit that there should be other ways to evaluate sites that are linked to.
On my web sites, I have what I call a "visitor-friendliness" policy (for lack of a better term). I don't link to sites that exhibit the following aspects:
Now, I admit that my list may be overly restrictive for Wikipedia's purposes, but I offer the list as a starting point for discussion.
Any thoughts?
Stevietheman 18:24, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
If indeed there is something notably "unusual" about a linked site, then notice should be given in text accompanying the link (examples: "requires Java", "100MB PDF file", "requires registration"). - Bevo 19:38, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
I just discovered that some of my concerns are addressed in Wikipedia_talk:External_links. -- Stevietheman 22:42, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
What year did the Bank of England remove the gold sovereign as part of the every day currency needed to pay for articles, clothing, etc.
Free Scotland Party started on 01/01/2004. Independence from the UK, Independence from the EU.
how much activating energy's acetone?
I'm not clear on the custom for Wikipedians to give others critiques/guidance/corrections. User Olivier seems to be a valuable, prolific contributor generally, but seems to have moved the constellation content via cut and paste from Taurus to Taurus (constellation). Also, everything that pointed to just Taurus (including a msg) still points there (I've been working on updating the links this morning). Would it make sense for someone that can, rv taurus, del Taurus (constellation), then Move this page? Note, I have no problems with the end result, I just have concerns about how it was done. Niteowlneils 16:55, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
New pages not showing up in Google: Wikipedia:External search engines
Someone's posted an article to Slashdot on our various articles on Quantuum physics:
It might get a little busy here, assuming that the article goes through...
James F.
(talk)
11:18, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
Is there a log of which pages have been moved where, and who has moved them? -- ChrisO 10:21, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
Wow! I just read a short artical on the toxisity of Colchicine. My Doctor has just, prescribed an 0.6mg dose for an undiegnosed case of Gout, I have had for 8 weeks, now. I'm to take 1 tablet every 1 to 2 hrs., until I can no longer, tolerate the diarrhea or nausea. Is this common practice? Thanks! R.L. Sidowey PS Please forgive the fumbling, but I can't find a submition button.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse breeds is a new project that needs participants. Organizations that set the standards for horse breeds are needed for the table template. Bensaccount 02:24, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
Neutral point of view (NPOV) is the official, non-negotiable law established by Jimbo Wales. I think it is a crucial Wikipidia policy, but I don't see much attention being paid to it. Are my search skills poor? Are there reams and reams of discussion, but I haven't found them? I support the policy, I think it is an excellent policy, and I think it needs more exposure. I don't think it is a policy that is intuitive. One has to study and learn it. Have most Wikipidians done that? I think not. Worse, I am afraid people don't even agree on what it means, and many think it means to do exactly what it really is prohibiting. Therefore, to help generate some interest in wider publicity, as well as agreement on what the NPOV policy is, I have written a short story (moved the page and fixed the link -- Jia ng 23:03, 9 May 2004 (UTC)) that hopefully will generate some talk. I invite all people who edit on Wikipidea to read it. I hope you find it entertaining as well. ChessPlayer 22:33, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
I want to again repeat my observation: Wikipidians for the most part do not know the NPOV policy. ChessPlayer 05:44, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
What should we do, if we see the contents of a page are unrelated to the subject? For example, in the farsi section, the page under "philosophy" is just christian propaganda. Should it be moved to "Christianity"? "Propaganda"? deleted?
You have a number of options, though you've made my task harder by not naming the article. I've been to farsi and there's no philosophy section so you must mean some other article.
Anyyway:
The first option is the most admired. -- bodnotbod 22:45, May 9, 2004 (UTC)