The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:46, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
I am neutral on this nomination. The template was tagged for T3 ("substantial duplications of another template") in relation to {{ Buenos Aires City landmarks}}, but it's definitely not: this template only has the streets, which are one of eight sections of the other, and the criterion is for when one template is a duplication of another template, not when one duplicates a section of another. This template is tiny compared to the other, linking only streets, while the other links pages as disparate as statues, the downtown, the zoo, football stadiums, an airport, and nightclubs. On one hand, it might help to have just one template, but on the other hand, someone might want a tiny template that only links the streets instead of linking all the other kinds of entities. I'd like to see consensus either in favor of deleting this one as an unneeded duplicate or in favor of retaining this because it's useful because of its smaller size. Nyttend ( talk) 23:16, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
"Templates that are substantial duplications of another template, or hardcoded instances of another template where the same functionality could be provided by that other template, may be deleted after being tagged for seven days."And as far as substantial duplication goes, every single link in this template is included at {{ Buenos Aires City landmarks}}, so there is absolutely no point to this one. -- wooden superman 15:46, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 December 25. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:45, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Pkbwcgs ( talk) 09:35, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
Only 1 transclusion, doesn't seem to provide much. Zackmann ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 22:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G6 by Nyttend ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:04, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
I don't think a. the editor will be working on this and b. there's enough sourcing to bring this up to DYK regulations. It wasn't ever listed on the nominations page, by the way. Dr Aaij ( talk) 21:09, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 02:06, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
unused; possibly a fork of Template:AFC third leagues Frietjes ( talk) 19:00, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 December 25. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 02:06, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 02:16, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
Absolutely nothing to navigate! -- wooden superman 15:10, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:43, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
Along with - Category:Snooker rankings navigational boxes has
All for old revisions of the top 16 ranked players in Snooker. A conversation at the WikiProject suggested these were not needed. We have articles for old revisions of rankings, but the categories don't have much use.
They do exist on pages, however, these are mostly irrelevent, and add nothing to the pages they are on. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 12:13, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Do not merge. Early close because there is mainly WP:SNOW (non-admin closure) Hhkohh ( talk) 13:14, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Propose merging Template:Infobox television season; and Template:Infobox television episode; into Template:Infobox television. Largely overlapping templates (see table in collapsed section, below); it would be beneficial if many of the parameters that are not currently shared were to be. Merging the templates has all of the advantages listed at Wikipedia:Infobox consolidation; especially reducing the maintenance overhead, and the cognitive burden on editors.
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-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:51, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
|starring=
was shared with season, but |judges=
or |presenter=
(and even |language=
) weren't. And if we have crew credits such as |editor=
, |director=
, |cinematography=
in the television template, which to me seem really out of place here as the high-level production template shouldn't care or even list all the people that participated in each episode, which could be in the dozens, then why shouldn't they be in the season template where they are even more relevant? Even |opentheme=
is relevant in the season template when it could change per season - see
The Leftovers (TV series) and
Weeds (TV series) (which could be relevant even for the episode template as in several seasons each episode had a different person singing the theme song). So while your math might be correct, the fields themselves are not really correctly placed. --
Gonnym (
talk) 14:15, 17 December 2018 (UTC)"it would be beneficial if many of the parameters that are not currently shared were to be"):
|audio_format=
|based_on=
, |budget=
, |camera=
are only in Infobox television. Why should they not be in the 'episode or 'season templates? do Television seasons not have budgets? Nor episodes? Does the format of television programmes never change between seasons? |cust_data_1 =
and |cust_label_1=
are only in Infobox television season. Why would we not allow these in the other two use cases? Likewise |bgcolor=
and |headercolor=
. The episode box alone has |award=
Do seasons not or programmes in general not win awards? It has |next=
and |prev=
; do seasons not have predecessors and successors? Do only episodes have a |photographer=
? Or a |teleplay=
or |story=
? Or are those in fact synonymous with |writer=
in the other two templates?
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 14:44, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
|next=
and |prev=
, note that the season template automatically detects these values in a way that the episode template simply could not (see e.g.
Community (season 2)), which is better than inputting the values manually (for
data integrity). It's also obvious that we should deal with programme spin-offs or remake in a different way as they don't follow the same prev/next production pattern. —
Bilorv
(c)
(talk) 15:13, 17 December 2018 (UTC)|audio_format=
|based_on=
, |budget=
and |camera=
are parameters that affect the series as a whole. They're not discussed in season lists or individual episode articles so they don't need to be in the infoboxes for those articles. Nor should they be in the infoboxes in most cases as they unnecessarily repeat information already in the main series articles. |budget=
in particular is only really relevant to TV films and even then only rarely. The parameter was added when Infobox television film was merged into Infobox television after you nominated it for merging back in 2015. It was specifically mentioned in a comment that you replied to.
do Television seasons not have budgets?- Yes, but they are not normally revealed as they are for films. I've never seen budgets for individual seasons and episodes revealed with any authority, only guesses or in general statements that can't be tied to an individual season or episode.
Does the format of television programmes never change between seasons?- Yes, formats do change but they can be stable for an entire series. They are rarely if ever actually sourced in my experience, not discussed in season articles and rarely if ever discussed in episode articles. I do think I remember seeing a format discussed as an unsourced sidenote. A lot of editors don't even understand the field. Some thing that the aspect ratio is a video format. It's not.
- These don't actually exist and they are absolutely not required in the other infoboxes. I added these only as a necessary evil when merging a number of custom season infoboxes into Infobox television season a long time ago. They were a temporary measure used between August 2012 and December 2014 as explained in Category:Television season articles that use custom fields. The tracking code was left in the infobox so that any restorations could be noted. This was before unknown parameter tracking was added in 2016. [1]|cust_data_1 =
and|cust_label_1=
are only in Infobox television season. Why would we not allow these in the other two use cases?
Likewise- On the List of episodes (LoE) page, colour is used to differentiate between seasons because there can often be many seasons and hundreds of episodes. The content on the LoE page is transcluded from season articles so, for consistency throughout the article and to aid identification, colour is used in the season infoboxes. This is not needed in episode articles or the main series article. In fact colour was specifically removed from Infobox television a long time ago. It's not desirable to have it in either that or the episode infobox. I'm not even sure if there are any articles that use
headercolor
.The episode box alone has |award=
Do seasons not or programmes in general not win awards?
- TV series can and do win many awards. It is not feasible nor appropriate to include them all in the infobox. Awards are generally given out annually and this may or not apply to a specific season. Sometimes it can be two seasons. For these reasons, awards are generally only listed in the main series article. On the other hand, individual episodes sometimes get awards but it's usually only one or two.It has- The season infobox can automatically calculate previous and next seasons because they are consistently named. Not all episodes have articles so the entry has to be manual. Sometimes the link is to an episode, sometimes to a season article and sometimes to the LoE page.|next=
and|prev=
; do seasons not have predecessors and successors?
Do only episodes have a- Each episode has a teleplay or story writer and these usually differ between episodes so, in the season articles, they are listed in the individual episode entries because including them all in the infobox would be confusing and unnecessarily bloat the infobox. It's even worse for the main series article because that is about every episode.|photographer=
? Or a|teleplay=
or|story=
?
Or are those in fact synonymous with |writer=
in the other two templates?
- Sometimes they are, often they are not."budgets for individual seasons and episodes [are rarely] revealed with any authority", why do we need a parameter for them in Infobox television? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:34, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
|module=
vs. |module1=
or |narrated=
vs. |narrator=
.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 14:59, 17 December 2018 (UTC)"|opentheme=
is relevant in the season template"
.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 14:50, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
|starring=
is both in the series and season templates the other cast credits, which have equal relevance are not: |presenter=
, |host=
, |judges=
, |voices=
, |narrated=
(|narrator=
appears in the episode template).|director=
, |producer=
, |writer=
, |screenplay=
(called |teleplay=
), |story=
, |cinematography=
(called |photographer=
),|editor=
. Other crew parameters: |news_editor=
, |composer=
, |creative_director=
, |executive_producer=
, |composer=
/|theme_music_composer=
.|company=
/|studio=
and |distributor=
can change between seasons - see
Lost (TV series) infobox. Even |picture_format=
and |audio_format=
change between seasons - see
The Simpsons infobox.|endtheme=
, |opentheme=
) can change between seasons (see
The Leftovers (TV series) and can also change between episodes (
Weeds (TV series)) which would make this field very relevant in the season template.|country=
, |language=
, |native_name=
and |show_name_2=
can be useful for all 3 templates. See most anime articles where you have several names, or reality season articles where you might have a season with a subtitle.|airdate=
("Original air date") and |release_date=
("Original release date") vs the series and season templates which have: |first_aired=
/|last_aired=
and |released=
("Original release"). This is basically the same.|budget=
I think you're assuming most editors are stupider than they actually are.If there is one thing that editing on Wikipedia for over 12 years has taught me, it's to never underestimate the stupidity of some Wikipedia users, GOODFAITH notwithstanding. Just when I've thought I've seen it all, someone else shows up and proves I was wrong about that again. Examples available on request. :) - BilCat ( talk) 08:36, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
"proposing a change that would impact a so large number of articles, without providing any reason better than I don't like it this way"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:00, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
dishonest accusation. Whow !!! What a creative answer to the simple statement that the reasons you have given are not better than a simple "I don't like it". The templates are supposed to help the people who write articles. Having three templates for three different tasks seems to be the preferred method, as seen by the writing people. If you don't admit this simple fact, perhaps you should exert your creativity somewhere else. Pldx1 ( talk) 08:51, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
|film_end=
and |film_start=
.
cymru.lass (
talk •
contribs) 13:40, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
|film_end=
and |film_start=
are two parameters that probably shouldn't even be in {{
Infobox television season}}. They are two more fields that I added when merging other templates. The only reason that they made it into infobox television season is that there were some uses of the other templates that had sourced dates. In the vast majority of cases, these would be unsourced. Season filming dates are rarely available from reliable sources. Individual episode dates are even more rarely announced, and by "even more rarely" I mean almost never. Series filming dates are almost worse than that and they're really trivial. --
AussieLegend (
✉) 14:12, 20 December 2018 (UTC)The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:46, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
I am neutral on this nomination. The template was tagged for T3 ("substantial duplications of another template") in relation to {{ Buenos Aires City landmarks}}, but it's definitely not: this template only has the streets, which are one of eight sections of the other, and the criterion is for when one template is a duplication of another template, not when one duplicates a section of another. This template is tiny compared to the other, linking only streets, while the other links pages as disparate as statues, the downtown, the zoo, football stadiums, an airport, and nightclubs. On one hand, it might help to have just one template, but on the other hand, someone might want a tiny template that only links the streets instead of linking all the other kinds of entities. I'd like to see consensus either in favor of deleting this one as an unneeded duplicate or in favor of retaining this because it's useful because of its smaller size. Nyttend ( talk) 23:16, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
"Templates that are substantial duplications of another template, or hardcoded instances of another template where the same functionality could be provided by that other template, may be deleted after being tagged for seven days."And as far as substantial duplication goes, every single link in this template is included at {{ Buenos Aires City landmarks}}, so there is absolutely no point to this one. -- wooden superman 15:46, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 December 25. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:45, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Pkbwcgs ( talk) 09:35, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
Only 1 transclusion, doesn't seem to provide much. Zackmann ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 22:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G6 by Nyttend ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:04, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
I don't think a. the editor will be working on this and b. there's enough sourcing to bring this up to DYK regulations. It wasn't ever listed on the nominations page, by the way. Dr Aaij ( talk) 21:09, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 02:06, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
unused; possibly a fork of Template:AFC third leagues Frietjes ( talk) 19:00, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 December 25. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 02:06, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 02:16, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
Absolutely nothing to navigate! -- wooden superman 15:10, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:43, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
Along with - Category:Snooker rankings navigational boxes has
All for old revisions of the top 16 ranked players in Snooker. A conversation at the WikiProject suggested these were not needed. We have articles for old revisions of rankings, but the categories don't have much use.
They do exist on pages, however, these are mostly irrelevent, and add nothing to the pages they are on. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 12:13, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Do not merge. Early close because there is mainly WP:SNOW (non-admin closure) Hhkohh ( talk) 13:14, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Propose merging Template:Infobox television season; and Template:Infobox television episode; into Template:Infobox television. Largely overlapping templates (see table in collapsed section, below); it would be beneficial if many of the parameters that are not currently shared were to be. Merging the templates has all of the advantages listed at Wikipedia:Infobox consolidation; especially reducing the maintenance overhead, and the cognitive burden on editors.
Comparison of parameters
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-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:51, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
|starring=
was shared with season, but |judges=
or |presenter=
(and even |language=
) weren't. And if we have crew credits such as |editor=
, |director=
, |cinematography=
in the television template, which to me seem really out of place here as the high-level production template shouldn't care or even list all the people that participated in each episode, which could be in the dozens, then why shouldn't they be in the season template where they are even more relevant? Even |opentheme=
is relevant in the season template when it could change per season - see
The Leftovers (TV series) and
Weeds (TV series) (which could be relevant even for the episode template as in several seasons each episode had a different person singing the theme song). So while your math might be correct, the fields themselves are not really correctly placed. --
Gonnym (
talk) 14:15, 17 December 2018 (UTC)"it would be beneficial if many of the parameters that are not currently shared were to be"):
|audio_format=
|based_on=
, |budget=
, |camera=
are only in Infobox television. Why should they not be in the 'episode or 'season templates? do Television seasons not have budgets? Nor episodes? Does the format of television programmes never change between seasons? |cust_data_1 =
and |cust_label_1=
are only in Infobox television season. Why would we not allow these in the other two use cases? Likewise |bgcolor=
and |headercolor=
. The episode box alone has |award=
Do seasons not or programmes in general not win awards? It has |next=
and |prev=
; do seasons not have predecessors and successors? Do only episodes have a |photographer=
? Or a |teleplay=
or |story=
? Or are those in fact synonymous with |writer=
in the other two templates?
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 14:44, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
|next=
and |prev=
, note that the season template automatically detects these values in a way that the episode template simply could not (see e.g.
Community (season 2)), which is better than inputting the values manually (for
data integrity). It's also obvious that we should deal with programme spin-offs or remake in a different way as they don't follow the same prev/next production pattern. —
Bilorv
(c)
(talk) 15:13, 17 December 2018 (UTC)|audio_format=
|based_on=
, |budget=
and |camera=
are parameters that affect the series as a whole. They're not discussed in season lists or individual episode articles so they don't need to be in the infoboxes for those articles. Nor should they be in the infoboxes in most cases as they unnecessarily repeat information already in the main series articles. |budget=
in particular is only really relevant to TV films and even then only rarely. The parameter was added when Infobox television film was merged into Infobox television after you nominated it for merging back in 2015. It was specifically mentioned in a comment that you replied to.
do Television seasons not have budgets?- Yes, but they are not normally revealed as they are for films. I've never seen budgets for individual seasons and episodes revealed with any authority, only guesses or in general statements that can't be tied to an individual season or episode.
Does the format of television programmes never change between seasons?- Yes, formats do change but they can be stable for an entire series. They are rarely if ever actually sourced in my experience, not discussed in season articles and rarely if ever discussed in episode articles. I do think I remember seeing a format discussed as an unsourced sidenote. A lot of editors don't even understand the field. Some thing that the aspect ratio is a video format. It's not.
- These don't actually exist and they are absolutely not required in the other infoboxes. I added these only as a necessary evil when merging a number of custom season infoboxes into Infobox television season a long time ago. They were a temporary measure used between August 2012 and December 2014 as explained in Category:Television season articles that use custom fields. The tracking code was left in the infobox so that any restorations could be noted. This was before unknown parameter tracking was added in 2016. [1]|cust_data_1 =
and|cust_label_1=
are only in Infobox television season. Why would we not allow these in the other two use cases?
Likewise- On the List of episodes (LoE) page, colour is used to differentiate between seasons because there can often be many seasons and hundreds of episodes. The content on the LoE page is transcluded from season articles so, for consistency throughout the article and to aid identification, colour is used in the season infoboxes. This is not needed in episode articles or the main series article. In fact colour was specifically removed from Infobox television a long time ago. It's not desirable to have it in either that or the episode infobox. I'm not even sure if there are any articles that use
headercolor
.The episode box alone has |award=
Do seasons not or programmes in general not win awards?
- TV series can and do win many awards. It is not feasible nor appropriate to include them all in the infobox. Awards are generally given out annually and this may or not apply to a specific season. Sometimes it can be two seasons. For these reasons, awards are generally only listed in the main series article. On the other hand, individual episodes sometimes get awards but it's usually only one or two.It has- The season infobox can automatically calculate previous and next seasons because they are consistently named. Not all episodes have articles so the entry has to be manual. Sometimes the link is to an episode, sometimes to a season article and sometimes to the LoE page.|next=
and|prev=
; do seasons not have predecessors and successors?
Do only episodes have a- Each episode has a teleplay or story writer and these usually differ between episodes so, in the season articles, they are listed in the individual episode entries because including them all in the infobox would be confusing and unnecessarily bloat the infobox. It's even worse for the main series article because that is about every episode.|photographer=
? Or a|teleplay=
or|story=
?
Or are those in fact synonymous with |writer=
in the other two templates?
- Sometimes they are, often they are not."budgets for individual seasons and episodes [are rarely] revealed with any authority", why do we need a parameter for them in Infobox television? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:34, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
|module=
vs. |module1=
or |narrated=
vs. |narrator=
.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 14:59, 17 December 2018 (UTC)"|opentheme=
is relevant in the season template"
.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 14:50, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
|starring=
is both in the series and season templates the other cast credits, which have equal relevance are not: |presenter=
, |host=
, |judges=
, |voices=
, |narrated=
(|narrator=
appears in the episode template).|director=
, |producer=
, |writer=
, |screenplay=
(called |teleplay=
), |story=
, |cinematography=
(called |photographer=
),|editor=
. Other crew parameters: |news_editor=
, |composer=
, |creative_director=
, |executive_producer=
, |composer=
/|theme_music_composer=
.|company=
/|studio=
and |distributor=
can change between seasons - see
Lost (TV series) infobox. Even |picture_format=
and |audio_format=
change between seasons - see
The Simpsons infobox.|endtheme=
, |opentheme=
) can change between seasons (see
The Leftovers (TV series) and can also change between episodes (
Weeds (TV series)) which would make this field very relevant in the season template.|country=
, |language=
, |native_name=
and |show_name_2=
can be useful for all 3 templates. See most anime articles where you have several names, or reality season articles where you might have a season with a subtitle.|airdate=
("Original air date") and |release_date=
("Original release date") vs the series and season templates which have: |first_aired=
/|last_aired=
and |released=
("Original release"). This is basically the same.|budget=
I think you're assuming most editors are stupider than they actually are.If there is one thing that editing on Wikipedia for over 12 years has taught me, it's to never underestimate the stupidity of some Wikipedia users, GOODFAITH notwithstanding. Just when I've thought I've seen it all, someone else shows up and proves I was wrong about that again. Examples available on request. :) - BilCat ( talk) 08:36, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
"proposing a change that would impact a so large number of articles, without providing any reason better than I don't like it this way"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:00, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
dishonest accusation. Whow !!! What a creative answer to the simple statement that the reasons you have given are not better than a simple "I don't like it". The templates are supposed to help the people who write articles. Having three templates for three different tasks seems to be the preferred method, as seen by the writing people. If you don't admit this simple fact, perhaps you should exert your creativity somewhere else. Pldx1 ( talk) 08:51, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
|film_end=
and |film_start=
.
cymru.lass (
talk •
contribs) 13:40, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
|film_end=
and |film_start=
are two parameters that probably shouldn't even be in {{
Infobox television season}}. They are two more fields that I added when merging other templates. The only reason that they made it into infobox television season is that there were some uses of the other templates that had sourced dates. In the vast majority of cases, these would be unsourced. Season filming dates are rarely available from reliable sources. Individual episode dates are even more rarely announced, and by "even more rarely" I mean almost never. Series filming dates are almost worse than that and they're really trivial. --
AussieLegend (
✉) 14:12, 20 December 2018 (UTC)