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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:20, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Apparently based on Template:School block. I can't see much potential for use, personally – educational institutions are regularly blocked from editing, but are studios? Super Mario Man 20:28, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Unused, purpose unclear. Identical to Template:Kau infobox, Template:Infobox Kau and Template:Abdullah Alessa save minor coding differences. Super Mario Man 20:08, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Unused, purpose unclear. Identical to Template:Kau infobox, Template:KAU University and Template:Abdullah Alessa save minor coding differences. Super Mario Man 20:06, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Unused, purpose unclear. Identical to Template:Infobox Kau, Template:KAU University and Template:Abdullah Alessa save minor coding differences. Super Mario Man 20:04, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:36, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Duplicates interwiki links and other sister templates, few uses. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 07:44, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 06:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Deprecated. All article-space instances have been replaced with {{ Coord}}. (A few talk page examples remain - how should these be dealt with?) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:00, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was oppose merger. -- Rs chen 7754 10:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Cite sign with
Template:Cite AV media.
{{
Cite AV media}}
supports all the features of {{
Cite sign}}. Merge by redirecting {{
Cite sign}} to {{
Cite AV media}}. No article updates are required. —
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
09:15, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
I see this is not going to get merged, so I will close with a challenge. Please detail the differences in output between these citations:
Markup | Renders as |
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{{cite sign|title=Signage for I-276 at Norristown entrance |url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Norristown_ramps_to_PA_TPK.JPG |type=Highway sign |publisher=[[Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission]] |location=[[Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania]]}} |
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{{cite AV media |title=Signage for I-276 at Norristown entrance |url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Norristown_ramps_to_PA_TPK.JPG |type=Highway sign |publisher=[[Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission]] |location=[[Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania]]}} |
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{{citation |title=Signage for I-276 at Norristown entrance |url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Norristown_ramps_to_PA_TPK.JPG |type=Highway sign |publisher=[[Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission]] |location=[[Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania]]}} |
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I appreciate your comments and will refer back when I revisit this in a year. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:32, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
|medium=
and |distributor=
, and needs further unique parameters such as |(title) location=
. instead these sign-specific parameters are de-emphasized/inappropriately deprecated to render code reusable (to machines). this also happens in other cite templates. this tendency to put square pegs into round holes has been carried to the individual templates' documentation, which is becoming progressively irrelevant in its uniformity. this may confuse and deter editors from using citation templates, thereby possibly affecting 1. articles' readability 2. users' ease of verification 3. further reading on the article's subject. there are longstanding issues with the performance of {{
citation/core}} which may or may not be valid; instead of trying a one-size-fits-all copout, may i suggest that 1. you NOT "revisit" this but concentrate on optimising the engine, perhaps starting with a thorough examination of the rationale behind all the expensive and perhaps unnecessary {{#if}} statements (that also limit editor choice) 2. leave source-specific functionality, related parameters, and documentation alone in {{cite xxx}} templates. and please, let's leave out arguments about how great everything is going to be when lua scripting is applied. if fixes are needed, they are needed now, and can't wait for a holy grail that is possibly going to be (again) beta-tested on editors' time.
65.88.88.127 (
talk)
18:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was keep Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:52, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
This outdated sidebar template doesn't add anything of value to the articles in question. It is grossly POV, e.g. by using the logo of one recent secular organization as the illustration while humanism covers much more than that and primarily refers to the renaissance. It seems that the main purpose of the template in its current form is a promotional one, i.e. giving an organization ( IHEU) WP:UNDUE weight in all articles relating to humanism, the broad term referring to renaissance humanism, religious humanism, Jewish humanism, Christian humanism and more. A good example of the promotional intent is that various modern secular organizations are even listed at the top before the articles addressing the primary/original use of the term, i.e. renaissance humanism. Jeannedeba ( talk) 06:01, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:12, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Seems redundant to {{ R. L. Stine}}. Tim Jacobus and Scholastic are the exclusive wikilinks here. Does this warrant its own template? If its kept, this should be at {{ Goosebumps}}. « Ryūkotsusei » 04:05, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete per this discussion and the discussion for Template:Category-Aesthetics/header, which did close as delete, but was magically recreated? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:38, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Unnecessary duplication of category structure that can cause confusion for readers. Also, this sort of template moves category pages away from the convention and consistency of being clutter free. Clutter reduces usability for the reader. -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 05:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete as mostly redundant to the Shootings in the United States template. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
This long and difficult to read list of links is redundant to Template:Shootings in the United States, which is organized by year and does not contain red links. Sandstein 16:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:51, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
I checked for sources on the first three albums and found none, so I redirected them. As a result, this template now navigates only one article. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 23:35, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
< December 31 | January 2 > |
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:20, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Apparently based on Template:School block. I can't see much potential for use, personally – educational institutions are regularly blocked from editing, but are studios? Super Mario Man 20:28, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Unused, purpose unclear. Identical to Template:Kau infobox, Template:Infobox Kau and Template:Abdullah Alessa save minor coding differences. Super Mario Man 20:08, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Unused, purpose unclear. Identical to Template:Kau infobox, Template:KAU University and Template:Abdullah Alessa save minor coding differences. Super Mario Man 20:06, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Unused, purpose unclear. Identical to Template:Infobox Kau, Template:KAU University and Template:Abdullah Alessa save minor coding differences. Super Mario Man 20:04, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:36, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Duplicates interwiki links and other sister templates, few uses. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 07:44, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 06:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Deprecated. All article-space instances have been replaced with {{ Coord}}. (A few talk page examples remain - how should these be dealt with?) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:00, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was oppose merger. -- Rs chen 7754 10:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Cite sign with
Template:Cite AV media.
{{
Cite AV media}}
supports all the features of {{
Cite sign}}. Merge by redirecting {{
Cite sign}} to {{
Cite AV media}}. No article updates are required. —
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
09:15, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
I see this is not going to get merged, so I will close with a challenge. Please detail the differences in output between these citations:
Markup | Renders as |
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{{cite sign|title=Signage for I-276 at Norristown entrance |url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Norristown_ramps_to_PA_TPK.JPG |type=Highway sign |publisher=[[Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission]] |location=[[Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania]]}} |
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Markup | Renders as |
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{{cite AV media |title=Signage for I-276 at Norristown entrance |url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Norristown_ramps_to_PA_TPK.JPG |type=Highway sign |publisher=[[Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission]] |location=[[Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania]]}} |
|
Markup | Renders as |
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{{citation |title=Signage for I-276 at Norristown entrance |url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Norristown_ramps_to_PA_TPK.JPG |type=Highway sign |publisher=[[Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission]] |location=[[Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania]]}} |
|
I appreciate your comments and will refer back when I revisit this in a year. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:32, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
|medium=
and |distributor=
, and needs further unique parameters such as |(title) location=
. instead these sign-specific parameters are de-emphasized/inappropriately deprecated to render code reusable (to machines). this also happens in other cite templates. this tendency to put square pegs into round holes has been carried to the individual templates' documentation, which is becoming progressively irrelevant in its uniformity. this may confuse and deter editors from using citation templates, thereby possibly affecting 1. articles' readability 2. users' ease of verification 3. further reading on the article's subject. there are longstanding issues with the performance of {{
citation/core}} which may or may not be valid; instead of trying a one-size-fits-all copout, may i suggest that 1. you NOT "revisit" this but concentrate on optimising the engine, perhaps starting with a thorough examination of the rationale behind all the expensive and perhaps unnecessary {{#if}} statements (that also limit editor choice) 2. leave source-specific functionality, related parameters, and documentation alone in {{cite xxx}} templates. and please, let's leave out arguments about how great everything is going to be when lua scripting is applied. if fixes are needed, they are needed now, and can't wait for a holy grail that is possibly going to be (again) beta-tested on editors' time.
65.88.88.127 (
talk)
18:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was keep Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:52, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
This outdated sidebar template doesn't add anything of value to the articles in question. It is grossly POV, e.g. by using the logo of one recent secular organization as the illustration while humanism covers much more than that and primarily refers to the renaissance. It seems that the main purpose of the template in its current form is a promotional one, i.e. giving an organization ( IHEU) WP:UNDUE weight in all articles relating to humanism, the broad term referring to renaissance humanism, religious humanism, Jewish humanism, Christian humanism and more. A good example of the promotional intent is that various modern secular organizations are even listed at the top before the articles addressing the primary/original use of the term, i.e. renaissance humanism. Jeannedeba ( talk) 06:01, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:12, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Seems redundant to {{ R. L. Stine}}. Tim Jacobus and Scholastic are the exclusive wikilinks here. Does this warrant its own template? If its kept, this should be at {{ Goosebumps}}. « Ryūkotsusei » 04:05, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete per this discussion and the discussion for Template:Category-Aesthetics/header, which did close as delete, but was magically recreated? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:38, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Unnecessary duplication of category structure that can cause confusion for readers. Also, this sort of template moves category pages away from the convention and consistency of being clutter free. Clutter reduces usability for the reader. -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 05:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete as mostly redundant to the Shootings in the United States template. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
This long and difficult to read list of links is redundant to Template:Shootings in the United States, which is organized by year and does not contain red links. Sandstein 16:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:51, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
I checked for sources on the first three albums and found none, so I redirected them. As a result, this template now navigates only one article. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 23:35, 15 December 2012 (UTC)