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July 29, 2024

July 28, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Palestinian genocide accusation → Palestinian genocide – Given the movement of Gaza genocide to that title, the current title here has become incongruously inconsistent. How can the parent of a child topic that is not couched in the language of "accusation" be couched in that language? It should be obvious than it should not. More generally, it has become apparent that the language of "accusation" is generally inappropriate. This is not only per MOS:ACCUSED (which outlines how the language of accusation is problematic in its presumptive deployment of doubt (presumably ultimately as a corollary of WP:NPOV)), but also per consistency with similar titles on similar subjects. There are many pages on the topics of presumed or suspected (but not legally ruled on) genocides -- this is in fact the majority of them -- but no other genocide topic on Wikipedia, regardless of how speculative it is, is couched as a "genocide accusation". See the search results. Likewise, the phrase "Palestinian genocide accusation" is all but unknown to scholarship, in stark contrast to "Palestinian genocide", which is a common and widely used phrase, including in titular form, such as in the 2013 The Palestinian Genocide by Israel by the eminent Francis Boyle. In the previous move discussion, I somewhat rallied support around the current title, but that was in October last year, before much of the subsequent discussion around developments in Gaza. It seemed sensible at the time, but that was then, and this is now. Events have moved on significantly since then, not least with the ICJ case and provisional measures -- and hence the Gaza genocide move. As this page covers the overarching legal and scholarly topic of Palestinian genocide, the weight of both everything that went into the Gaza genocide RM discussion, and everything that precedes it in Palestinian history, including the Nakba and all subsequent Israeli policies and actions that have been discussed as conceivably genocidal by legal and academic experts, is under consideration. Given that this page has a significantly grander scope than its child, its title cannot reasonably contain greater doubt than that of its child. Iskandar323 ( talk) 12:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)— Relisting.  Jerium ( talk) 15:16, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Ober's test → Ober test – 20 results for Ober's test on Pubmed and 23 for Ober test. This combined with the trend towards removing "'s" in medicine and the calls for standardization of the removal of apostrophe s by the WHO, AMA, and NIH, among others, points me towards the validity of this RM.  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 15:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 16:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 05:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 10:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Tales of the Jedi (TV series) → Star Wars: Tales – Since this move made nearly three months ago has been objected to, here is an RM. I personally don't agree with the need as consensus was reached on the matter. Never the less, this anthology series had its first installment released as (formally) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi (commonly Tales of the Jedi) in October 2022, with it announced in April 2023 that it would get a second season (wording used by media outlets, though the quote from Filoni was "Tales of the Jedi was so fun the first time, I decided to do some more.") Subsequently, it was announced a year later in April 2024 that this second "season" was a new "installment", Star Wars: Tales of the Empire (commonly Tales of the Empire). This press release shows the use of both formal names as well as the key quote in my view (and the determination of the previous consensus) that Tales of the Empire was the second installment of the "Tales" series. Thus, an appropriate name to address this anthology series considering the formal name would be Star Wars: Tales, which provides a WP:NATURAL name. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 17:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 05:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 10:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Untitled Jack White album → No Name (album) – I believed the safer option for naming this article was "Untitled Jack White album" due to the unique release method that did not immediately establish an official title for the album. However, it seems "No Name" is the common name for this album, as it has been widely used by fans and music journalists as well as Metacritic. More search results appear for "Jack White No Name" rather than "Jack White untitled", and the latter still yields results that include a mention of the title "No Name". Images of a forthcoming official vinyl release have also begun circulating the internet, with the liner notes confirming an official title of "No Name". My only source for this at the moment is a Reddit thread, although I will provide an update if I find a reliable secondary source reporting on this, so I will not make this the primary reason for the move at the moment as it is not a reliable source. Regardless, WP:COMMONNAME indicates that the article should be changed. Aria1561 ( talk) 04:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

July 27, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – The Black Widow (1951 film) → Black Widow (1951 film) – I've done a search of sources and I believe this article is mistitled. Sources consulted split as follows: Steve Chibnall & Brian McFarlane: The British 'B' Film (2009) (referenced in article) Uses both names. [2] The Black Widow (1951 film) (current title): Monthly Film Bulletin (1951) (referenced in article) IMDb (unreliable source, external link in article) AllMovie (reliability unknown, external link in article) BritMovie (reliability unknown, external link in article) Peter Hutchings: The A to Z of Horror Cinema (2009) [3] Robert Michael “Bobb” Cotter: The Women of Hammer Horror (2014) p.108 [4] Alan Burton & Steve Chibnall: Historical Dictionary of British Cinema (2013) p.372 [5] Black Widow (1951 film) (proposed title): Film's opening titles (image shown in article) BFI Collections Search (usually reliable, referenced in article) Michael F. Keaney: British Film Noir Guide (2015) p.19 (extensive discussion) [6] Michael Singer: Film Directors (2001) p.455 [7] Chris Fellner: The Encyclopedia of Hammer Films (2019) p.532 [8] Andrew Spicer: Historical Dictionary of Film Noir (2009) p.441 [9] Jay Robert Nash & Ralph Ross: The Motion Picture Guide (1985) p.116 [10] I think the balance is towards omitting the definite article, and the clincher is the films' own opening titles. Masato.harada ( talk) 15:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Jang Won-young → Jang Wonyoung – Per WP:COMMONNAME, She is often referred to without the hyphen, with or without her surname. This includes her company profile [11] and in the news [12] [13] [14]. Perhaps more importantly per WP:NCKOREAN, where there is a personal preference, Wikipedia should forgo the hyphen, and she has forgone the hyphen on her own Instagram [15]. I don't believe this would be confusing for anyone as the hyphen doesn't have a role in differentiating her name like it would for 유나 vs 윤아, so I think we should honour the name on her Instagram and company profile. I also think this applies to An Yu-jin but if this is uncontroversial I believe we can just move that one over too. Orangesclub ( talk) 04:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

July 26, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Laura Trott (politician) → Laura Trott – The current Laura Trott article links to a disambiguation page whereas the former Laura Trott now goes by Laura Kenny. I see the argument above who were against the move, but if you look at it, I can't understand why Laura Trott can't simply be the main article title for this one. When you search up Laura Trott on Google (at least on my end) you get the British politician and not the cyclist since she now goes by Laura Kenny. Wouldn't this mean that that would fall under Wikipedia:COMMONNAME? I feel that having Laura Trott (politician) as the article title is a bit redundant since she's the only Laura Trott with an article and then Laura Trott article is a disambiguation page. Also, the argument above said they were opposed to the move as Laura Trott the cyclist was more accomplished as an Olympian winner, however, if that were the case, how come Laura Trott doesn't redirect to her article, but instead leads to a disambiguation page? I feel since she now goes by Laura Kenny, a simple Laura Trott (cyclist) would suffice. However, since this Laura Trott (politician) is her common name, she should become the main article Laura Trott. * Laura Trott (politician) → Laura Trott or delete -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 15:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Glima → Glíma – Rationale: # Glíma is the correct spelling in Icelandic. # There is no proper English name for glíma; glima is merely an anglicized spelling variant. (Contrast this with e.g. Ísland, which is properly called Iceland in English.) # The presence of a single diacritic mark is harmless for English-language readers. # It is standard practice in the English-language Wikipedia to retain such diacritics in Icelandic article names (e.g. Reykjavík rather than Reykjavik). # i and í are in fact different letters in Icelandic: although the latter is historically formed from the former by adding a diacritic mark, it is not merely a spelling variant, as in e.g. Spanish. I would therefore like to suggest moving this article over the existing redirect, and having glima redirect to glíma instead. Thanks, 188.96.172.204 ( talk) 11:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Pin Princess → ? – "Pin Princess" isn't normal English word order, and this stub appears to have been put together either with machine translation or efforts of a non-native English speaker. I'm not sure what this bordering-on-obscure figure's most common name in English-language sources might be (I lack a body of source material on this period and region). "Princess of Pin" seems reasonably likely, but it might really be one of her longer names, and "Prince of Pin" appears to be a title (and an earlier one) not a name anyway.  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:03, 26 July 2024 (UTC); rev'd. 02:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

July 25, 2024

July 24, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Nusantara → Nusantara (disambiguation) – When this move was nominated a year ago, the primary reason against such move was that it was too soon with the city then only in its planning stages along with doubts whether or not the city would even be completed. Now, in about a month the city would become the new capital of Indonesia, which I argue would make it the primary topic. The city also gets significantly more views than other topics with such name. Zinderboff( talk) 16:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 17:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Au Hasard Balthazar → Au hasard Balthazar – The result of the 'Requested move' discussion from August 2016, above, was to move the previous page to 'Au hasard Balthazar'. For unknown reasons, the move was made to 'Au Hasard Balthazar'. I propose a move to 'Au hasard Balthazar'. Rationale: * The film is almost invariably referred to by its French name in the English-speaking world, and is rarely translated. * The film is referred to as 'Au hasard Balthazar' by: ** French Wikipedia Au hasard Balthazar [ fr ** The article's external links to IMDb, Metacritic, James Quandt/Criterion Collection article ** Approx. half of the references ( I haven't checked all the books and magazines, and some of the links are broken) * MOS:FRENCHCAPS would specify 'Au hasard Balthazar' Note that the film's opening credits are stylised as 'au hasard bathazar', which doesn't support an argument either way. Masato.harada ( talk) 17:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

July 23, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Eights Week → Summer Eights – While referred to as Eights Week in the past, the event is far more commonly known as Summer Eights today. All University, College, and town publication, including all material from the actual organisers refers to the event as 'Summer Eights', not 'Eights Week'. Additionally, as referred to by the last move request back in 2016, there are far more common results for Summer Eights than Eights Week in search engines. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically. OxfordRowing ( talk) 20:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  microbiologyMarcus petri dish· growths 15:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Douglas Fairbanks in Robin Hood → Robin Hood (1922 film) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's official name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above." and per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films) "Common names – Sometimes, it is acceptable to use an alternative common name that is more concise or recognizable.". In all historical articles of the film I've read and most film databases, the film is known as "Robin Hood" not "Douglas Fairbanks in Robin Hood". The title alone makes it sound like a represetnation of acting in the film. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 13:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Toad (Nintendo) → Toad (Mario) – The article was moved to the current title without discussion in April 2016 despite the most recent RM in 2015 being closed as "not moved". Video game characters are usually disambiguated by their primary series instead of their publisher company, even when frequently having cameo/crossover appearances, which Toad does not. Mia Mahey ( talk) 20:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). Mia Mahey ( talk) 06:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

July 22, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Shin Hye-sun → Shin Hae-sun – With the continuing rise in popularity of actress <Shin Hae-sun>, the spelling of her English name has been up for debate for quite some time. Since her debut in School 2013, many have spelled her name as <Shin Hye-sun>; others have spelled it as <Shin Hae-sun> (a difference in Hye or Hae). In recent years, many have pointed out that her own signature and places like her agency ( YNK Entertainment under IOK Company) spelled her name with Hae, yet, many sources continued to spell it as Hye since it was the most common spelling since her debut (Hye is also a common spelling amongst other Korean celebrities like Park Shin-hye and Kim Hye-yoon, adding to its credibility at the time). Here are some other reliable sources that correctly spells her name with Hae: KoBiz, The Korean Herald, Korea JoongAng Daily, and The Korea Times. It was only until last year that the actress added her English name to her Instagram account, spelling it herself as Hae. But due to the immense commonality of Hye across the internet, there wasn't a big change in how articles/sources/new fans spelled her name. As such, I am proposing that we change the spelling of her name to Hae, rather than Hye, as to fix the misinformation that is still at large. It is only right that we respect how the actress spells her own name. Imanomynous ( talk) 22:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • ( Discuss) – STEAM fields → STEAM education – The Slate article cited in the first sentence states that STEAM is not just a collection of five fields, but a movement to integrate creative thinking and design skills into STEM education. And this is how much of the article describes it. But the first sentence defines it as a collection of five fields, and the presence of "fields" in the title reinforces that definition. I think the lede would be more consistent with the sources and with the rest of the article if we change the title to something like "STEAM education" or "STEAM movement" or just "STEAM", and change the first sentence to something like:
    STEAM education is an approach to teaching STEM subjects that incorporates artistic skills like creative thinking and design.
    Justin Kunimune ( talk) 15:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Ascalon → Ashkelon (ancient city) – Recently, the name of this article was changed from Tel Ashkelon to Ascalon. The rationale was that Ashkelon and Tel Ashkelon are too similar, and that readers cannot be expected to differentiate. It was said that Ascalon is the name of the historical site. This rationale is invalid. The name Ashkelon, is the conventionally accepted name for both the modern city, and the ancient site. In many cases, the name Ashkelon is even used when referring to periods in which it was historically known as Ascalon. This place has at least 20,000 years of history, accros many periods of times. It was a prehistoric site, a Canaanite, Philistine, Hellenistic city, a Crusader city, an Islamic city... We don't always know its actual name, and it has never had a single way to pronounce its name. I am suggesting to change the name to Ashkelon (ancient city). I divided my argument into three parts: (1) Ashkelon and Ascalon are virtually the same and therefore confusing; (2) The toponym for the ancient site is known in maps and sites as "Ashkelon"; (3) the conentional scholarly name for the city in all periods is "Ashkelon", including periods in which it was called in different names. 1. Ascalon and Ashkelon are virtually the same. It is very confusing still. Differetiating them with "ancient city" in brackets makes no mistakes. Another option would've been "Tel Ashkelon", but there were times in which the ancient settlements in Ashkelon were not exactly on the Tel, and the city often controlled a much broader territory. Tel Ashkelon would strictly refer to the antiquties, but the article's scope goes beyond it. Another opition I thought about was "History of Ashkelon", simmilar to how we have " History of Athens", but I think that this might confuse the people who are looking for the history of modern Ashkelon, whose place should be in the article about the modern city. Therefore, I think that Ashkelon (ancient city) is the clearest option for the scope of the article. 2. Location identification: Today, the principal site of ancient Ashkelon is known as Tel Ashkelon. This is a declared national park in Israel, and it apears by that name. The official name of the park is "Ashkelon National Park". I think it makes a lot of sense to assume, that many people who visit Israel as tourist, will likely enter this Wikipedia article. They will not be referred to Ascalon, but to Ashkelon, either Tel Ashkelon (mentioned here, here, here and [32], which were the first results I was given by google. Therefore, the site, as a location, is better identified with Ashkelon rather than Ascalon Bolter21 ( talk to me) 11:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – 2024 CrowdStrike incident → ? – Two reasons: the first is that the lede of this article is straightforward; it instead say that there is an outrage, before saying how, where the title is derived from. Second, most reliable sources often refer this event as an outrage. The title should at least be moved to a title containing "outrage". Toadette Edit! 16:54, 19 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Tonlé Sap → Tonlé Sap Lake – The original name before renamed after the discussion Talk:Tonlé_Sap#Rename above, due to possible confusion with the river that connect the lake and Mekong. The name "Tonlé Sap Lake" is NOT redundant at all. In that discussion user Markalexander100 stated that "Khmer and English terms aren't quite equivalent. In Khmer, as far as I can tell, there is one name- Tonle Sap- which refers to the lake and river together, while in English we differentiate them." This is not quite right because the official name of the lake in Khmer is "បឹង​ទន្លេសាប" (Boeng Tonle Sap), where បឹង/boeng means lake. So clearly they still have the word "lake" in the name, to differentiate it from the river. ទន្លេ/Tonle means river and that's its only meaning, not "Tonlé already means lake (or a very large, wide river)" as stated by user Dara above. For example, Mekong is "Tonlé Mekong", Bassac River is "Tonlé Bassac", Kong River is "Tonlé Kong". There's no known translation as Tonlé to "lake". Another similarly named geographic feature is the Boeng Tonle Chhmar (a smaller lake next to the Tonle Sap Lake). So to sum up, if we say "Tonle Sap" (without adding "Boeng") to the Khmer-speaking people, theoretically we are referring to the river (according to the meaning of the words). But then since the lake is too well-known, the term "Tonle Sap" will become ambiguous. However, as a matter of fact, they should be able to tell which one you are referring to, based on the context of the conversation. My suggestion is to rename this article to Tonlé Sap Lake, and have a separate article about the river. Two options for this separate article's name is: # Tonlé Sap (as per its literal meaning in Khmer) or, # Tonlé Sap (river) and Tonlé Sap becomes the disambiguation page. The reason for having a separate article for the river is simply because not everything about the river can be merged into the lake's article. For example, Phnom Penh, the state's capital, is located at the mouth of the river and there's probably something about the river related to Phnom Penh's urban planning that's worth writing about. And merging these into the lake's article would be inappropriate. ទន្លេតូច ( talk) 23:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 22:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel → 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel – I believe that enough time has passed since the last RM (which proposed the simpler "7 October attacks" name and closed with consensus to retain the current title) to re-propose a title change for this article. I believe that "7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel" is the WP:COMMONNAME for this event, as seen in sources such as: * Al Jazeera: "... counter the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, which saw ..." * Bloomberg: "... trapped in Gaza since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, which prompted ..." * CBC: "... around the world since the Hamas-led attacks on Israel of Oct. 7 but are now ..." * CNN: "... from the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel being held ..." * Euracitiv: "... triggered by the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel in which ..." * France24: "Before the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that triggered ..." * ISW: "... spokesperson claimed that the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel was retaliation ..." * Middle East Eye: "Following the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel and subsequent ..." * NPR: "... Palestinian armed groups since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that set off the war ..." * NYTimes: "... including some who participated in the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, and that ..." * Reuters: "... were involved in the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that precipitated ..." * Times of Israel: "... during and after the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel." * The Conversation: "... participated in the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, which resulted ... " * WaPo: "Since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, restrictions have ..." Many sources simply say "7 October" or "October 7 attacks" instead of spelling out the full name, but I believe that while "7 October attacks" could be a more COMMON name, I think that it fails WP:AT#Precision in favor of "7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel." DecafPotato ( talk) 00:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 14:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel → Sexual violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel – Gender-based violence is defined as "any type of harm that is perpetrated against a person or group of people because of their factual or perceived sex, gender, sexual orientation and/or gender identity". [1] It is not currently clear that this article deals with any such violence other than that of a sexual nature, and even then, the lede states that male Israelis were also subjected to sexual violence (which if true suggests that it was not gender-based). A previous discussion on this topic has also shown that many people do not understand what the term "gender-based violence" actually means, so whether including it in the title is usefully descriptive is quite questionable.

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  1. ^ "What is gender-based violence? - Gender Matters". Council of Europe.
TRCRF22 ( talk) 14:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – 2024 Nuseirat rescue operation → Nuseirat raid and rescue – Most sources are dual referencing this as a raid, attack or assault rather than just as a rescue. Guardian "Israeli attacks in central Gaza killed scores of Palestinians, many of them civilians, on Saturday amid a special forces operation to free four hostages held there, with the death toll sparking international outrage." NYT "Israeli soldiers and special operations police rescued four hostages from Gaza on Saturday amid a heavy air and ground assault", CNN "Israel’s operation to rescue four hostages took weeks of preparation and involved hundreds of personnel, its military said. But the mission began with a trail of destruction in central Gaza and ended in carnage, according to local authorities." Selfstudier ( talk) 15:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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July 29, 2024

July 28, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Palestinian genocide accusation → Palestinian genocide – Given the movement of Gaza genocide to that title, the current title here has become incongruously inconsistent. How can the parent of a child topic that is not couched in the language of "accusation" be couched in that language? It should be obvious than it should not. More generally, it has become apparent that the language of "accusation" is generally inappropriate. This is not only per MOS:ACCUSED (which outlines how the language of accusation is problematic in its presumptive deployment of doubt (presumably ultimately as a corollary of WP:NPOV)), but also per consistency with similar titles on similar subjects. There are many pages on the topics of presumed or suspected (but not legally ruled on) genocides -- this is in fact the majority of them -- but no other genocide topic on Wikipedia, regardless of how speculative it is, is couched as a "genocide accusation". See the search results. Likewise, the phrase "Palestinian genocide accusation" is all but unknown to scholarship, in stark contrast to "Palestinian genocide", which is a common and widely used phrase, including in titular form, such as in the 2013 The Palestinian Genocide by Israel by the eminent Francis Boyle. In the previous move discussion, I somewhat rallied support around the current title, but that was in October last year, before much of the subsequent discussion around developments in Gaza. It seemed sensible at the time, but that was then, and this is now. Events have moved on significantly since then, not least with the ICJ case and provisional measures -- and hence the Gaza genocide move. As this page covers the overarching legal and scholarly topic of Palestinian genocide, the weight of both everything that went into the Gaza genocide RM discussion, and everything that precedes it in Palestinian history, including the Nakba and all subsequent Israeli policies and actions that have been discussed as conceivably genocidal by legal and academic experts, is under consideration. Given that this page has a significantly grander scope than its child, its title cannot reasonably contain greater doubt than that of its child. Iskandar323 ( talk) 12:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)— Relisting.  Jerium ( talk) 15:16, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Ober's test → Ober test – 20 results for Ober's test on Pubmed and 23 for Ober test. This combined with the trend towards removing "'s" in medicine and the calls for standardization of the removal of apostrophe s by the WHO, AMA, and NIH, among others, points me towards the validity of this RM.  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 15:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 16:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 05:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 10:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Tales of the Jedi (TV series) → Star Wars: Tales – Since this move made nearly three months ago has been objected to, here is an RM. I personally don't agree with the need as consensus was reached on the matter. Never the less, this anthology series had its first installment released as (formally) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi (commonly Tales of the Jedi) in October 2022, with it announced in April 2023 that it would get a second season (wording used by media outlets, though the quote from Filoni was "Tales of the Jedi was so fun the first time, I decided to do some more.") Subsequently, it was announced a year later in April 2024 that this second "season" was a new "installment", Star Wars: Tales of the Empire (commonly Tales of the Empire). This press release shows the use of both formal names as well as the key quote in my view (and the determination of the previous consensus) that Tales of the Empire was the second installment of the "Tales" series. Thus, an appropriate name to address this anthology series considering the formal name would be Star Wars: Tales, which provides a WP:NATURAL name. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 17:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 05:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 10:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Untitled Jack White album → No Name (album) – I believed the safer option for naming this article was "Untitled Jack White album" due to the unique release method that did not immediately establish an official title for the album. However, it seems "No Name" is the common name for this album, as it has been widely used by fans and music journalists as well as Metacritic. More search results appear for "Jack White No Name" rather than "Jack White untitled", and the latter still yields results that include a mention of the title "No Name". Images of a forthcoming official vinyl release have also begun circulating the internet, with the liner notes confirming an official title of "No Name". My only source for this at the moment is a Reddit thread, although I will provide an update if I find a reliable secondary source reporting on this, so I will not make this the primary reason for the move at the moment as it is not a reliable source. Regardless, WP:COMMONNAME indicates that the article should be changed. Aria1561 ( talk) 04:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

July 27, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – The Black Widow (1951 film) → Black Widow (1951 film) – I've done a search of sources and I believe this article is mistitled. Sources consulted split as follows: Steve Chibnall & Brian McFarlane: The British 'B' Film (2009) (referenced in article) Uses both names. [2] The Black Widow (1951 film) (current title): Monthly Film Bulletin (1951) (referenced in article) IMDb (unreliable source, external link in article) AllMovie (reliability unknown, external link in article) BritMovie (reliability unknown, external link in article) Peter Hutchings: The A to Z of Horror Cinema (2009) [3] Robert Michael “Bobb” Cotter: The Women of Hammer Horror (2014) p.108 [4] Alan Burton & Steve Chibnall: Historical Dictionary of British Cinema (2013) p.372 [5] Black Widow (1951 film) (proposed title): Film's opening titles (image shown in article) BFI Collections Search (usually reliable, referenced in article) Michael F. Keaney: British Film Noir Guide (2015) p.19 (extensive discussion) [6] Michael Singer: Film Directors (2001) p.455 [7] Chris Fellner: The Encyclopedia of Hammer Films (2019) p.532 [8] Andrew Spicer: Historical Dictionary of Film Noir (2009) p.441 [9] Jay Robert Nash & Ralph Ross: The Motion Picture Guide (1985) p.116 [10] I think the balance is towards omitting the definite article, and the clincher is the films' own opening titles. Masato.harada ( talk) 15:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Jang Won-young → Jang Wonyoung – Per WP:COMMONNAME, She is often referred to without the hyphen, with or without her surname. This includes her company profile [11] and in the news [12] [13] [14]. Perhaps more importantly per WP:NCKOREAN, where there is a personal preference, Wikipedia should forgo the hyphen, and she has forgone the hyphen on her own Instagram [15]. I don't believe this would be confusing for anyone as the hyphen doesn't have a role in differentiating her name like it would for 유나 vs 윤아, so I think we should honour the name on her Instagram and company profile. I also think this applies to An Yu-jin but if this is uncontroversial I believe we can just move that one over too. Orangesclub ( talk) 04:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

July 26, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Laura Trott (politician) → Laura Trott – The current Laura Trott article links to a disambiguation page whereas the former Laura Trott now goes by Laura Kenny. I see the argument above who were against the move, but if you look at it, I can't understand why Laura Trott can't simply be the main article title for this one. When you search up Laura Trott on Google (at least on my end) you get the British politician and not the cyclist since she now goes by Laura Kenny. Wouldn't this mean that that would fall under Wikipedia:COMMONNAME? I feel that having Laura Trott (politician) as the article title is a bit redundant since she's the only Laura Trott with an article and then Laura Trott article is a disambiguation page. Also, the argument above said they were opposed to the move as Laura Trott the cyclist was more accomplished as an Olympian winner, however, if that were the case, how come Laura Trott doesn't redirect to her article, but instead leads to a disambiguation page? I feel since she now goes by Laura Kenny, a simple Laura Trott (cyclist) would suffice. However, since this Laura Trott (politician) is her common name, she should become the main article Laura Trott. * Laura Trott (politician) → Laura Trott or delete -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 15:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Glima → Glíma – Rationale: # Glíma is the correct spelling in Icelandic. # There is no proper English name for glíma; glima is merely an anglicized spelling variant. (Contrast this with e.g. Ísland, which is properly called Iceland in English.) # The presence of a single diacritic mark is harmless for English-language readers. # It is standard practice in the English-language Wikipedia to retain such diacritics in Icelandic article names (e.g. Reykjavík rather than Reykjavik). # i and í are in fact different letters in Icelandic: although the latter is historically formed from the former by adding a diacritic mark, it is not merely a spelling variant, as in e.g. Spanish. I would therefore like to suggest moving this article over the existing redirect, and having glima redirect to glíma instead. Thanks, 188.96.172.204 ( talk) 11:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Pin Princess → ? – "Pin Princess" isn't normal English word order, and this stub appears to have been put together either with machine translation or efforts of a non-native English speaker. I'm not sure what this bordering-on-obscure figure's most common name in English-language sources might be (I lack a body of source material on this period and region). "Princess of Pin" seems reasonably likely, but it might really be one of her longer names, and "Prince of Pin" appears to be a title (and an earlier one) not a name anyway.  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:03, 26 July 2024 (UTC); rev'd. 02:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC) reply

July 25, 2024

July 24, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Nusantara → Nusantara (disambiguation) – When this move was nominated a year ago, the primary reason against such move was that it was too soon with the city then only in its planning stages along with doubts whether or not the city would even be completed. Now, in about a month the city would become the new capital of Indonesia, which I argue would make it the primary topic. The city also gets significantly more views than other topics with such name. Zinderboff( talk) 16:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 17:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Au Hasard Balthazar → Au hasard Balthazar – The result of the 'Requested move' discussion from August 2016, above, was to move the previous page to 'Au hasard Balthazar'. For unknown reasons, the move was made to 'Au Hasard Balthazar'. I propose a move to 'Au hasard Balthazar'. Rationale: * The film is almost invariably referred to by its French name in the English-speaking world, and is rarely translated. * The film is referred to as 'Au hasard Balthazar' by: ** French Wikipedia Au hasard Balthazar [ fr ** The article's external links to IMDb, Metacritic, James Quandt/Criterion Collection article ** Approx. half of the references ( I haven't checked all the books and magazines, and some of the links are broken) * MOS:FRENCHCAPS would specify 'Au hasard Balthazar' Note that the film's opening credits are stylised as 'au hasard bathazar', which doesn't support an argument either way. Masato.harada ( talk) 17:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

July 23, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Eights Week → Summer Eights – While referred to as Eights Week in the past, the event is far more commonly known as Summer Eights today. All University, College, and town publication, including all material from the actual organisers refers to the event as 'Summer Eights', not 'Eights Week'. Additionally, as referred to by the last move request back in 2016, there are far more common results for Summer Eights than Eights Week in search engines. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically. OxfordRowing ( talk) 20:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  microbiologyMarcus petri dish· growths 15:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Douglas Fairbanks in Robin Hood → Robin Hood (1922 film) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's official name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above." and per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films) "Common names – Sometimes, it is acceptable to use an alternative common name that is more concise or recognizable.". In all historical articles of the film I've read and most film databases, the film is known as "Robin Hood" not "Douglas Fairbanks in Robin Hood". The title alone makes it sound like a represetnation of acting in the film. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 13:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Toad (Nintendo) → Toad (Mario) – The article was moved to the current title without discussion in April 2016 despite the most recent RM in 2015 being closed as "not moved". Video game characters are usually disambiguated by their primary series instead of their publisher company, even when frequently having cameo/crossover appearances, which Toad does not. Mia Mahey ( talk) 20:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). Mia Mahey ( talk) 06:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

July 22, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Shin Hye-sun → Shin Hae-sun – With the continuing rise in popularity of actress <Shin Hae-sun>, the spelling of her English name has been up for debate for quite some time. Since her debut in School 2013, many have spelled her name as <Shin Hye-sun>; others have spelled it as <Shin Hae-sun> (a difference in Hye or Hae). In recent years, many have pointed out that her own signature and places like her agency ( YNK Entertainment under IOK Company) spelled her name with Hae, yet, many sources continued to spell it as Hye since it was the most common spelling since her debut (Hye is also a common spelling amongst other Korean celebrities like Park Shin-hye and Kim Hye-yoon, adding to its credibility at the time). Here are some other reliable sources that correctly spells her name with Hae: KoBiz, The Korean Herald, Korea JoongAng Daily, and The Korea Times. It was only until last year that the actress added her English name to her Instagram account, spelling it herself as Hae. But due to the immense commonality of Hye across the internet, there wasn't a big change in how articles/sources/new fans spelled her name. As such, I am proposing that we change the spelling of her name to Hae, rather than Hye, as to fix the misinformation that is still at large. It is only right that we respect how the actress spells her own name. Imanomynous ( talk) 22:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • ( Discuss) – STEAM fields → STEAM education – The Slate article cited in the first sentence states that STEAM is not just a collection of five fields, but a movement to integrate creative thinking and design skills into STEM education. And this is how much of the article describes it. But the first sentence defines it as a collection of five fields, and the presence of "fields" in the title reinforces that definition. I think the lede would be more consistent with the sources and with the rest of the article if we change the title to something like "STEAM education" or "STEAM movement" or just "STEAM", and change the first sentence to something like:
    STEAM education is an approach to teaching STEM subjects that incorporates artistic skills like creative thinking and design.
    Justin Kunimune ( talk) 15:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Ascalon → Ashkelon (ancient city) – Recently, the name of this article was changed from Tel Ashkelon to Ascalon. The rationale was that Ashkelon and Tel Ashkelon are too similar, and that readers cannot be expected to differentiate. It was said that Ascalon is the name of the historical site. This rationale is invalid. The name Ashkelon, is the conventionally accepted name for both the modern city, and the ancient site. In many cases, the name Ashkelon is even used when referring to periods in which it was historically known as Ascalon. This place has at least 20,000 years of history, accros many periods of times. It was a prehistoric site, a Canaanite, Philistine, Hellenistic city, a Crusader city, an Islamic city... We don't always know its actual name, and it has never had a single way to pronounce its name. I am suggesting to change the name to Ashkelon (ancient city). I divided my argument into three parts: (1) Ashkelon and Ascalon are virtually the same and therefore confusing; (2) The toponym for the ancient site is known in maps and sites as "Ashkelon"; (3) the conentional scholarly name for the city in all periods is "Ashkelon", including periods in which it was called in different names. 1. Ascalon and Ashkelon are virtually the same. It is very confusing still. Differetiating them with "ancient city" in brackets makes no mistakes. Another option would've been "Tel Ashkelon", but there were times in which the ancient settlements in Ashkelon were not exactly on the Tel, and the city often controlled a much broader territory. Tel Ashkelon would strictly refer to the antiquties, but the article's scope goes beyond it. Another opition I thought about was "History of Ashkelon", simmilar to how we have " History of Athens", but I think that this might confuse the people who are looking for the history of modern Ashkelon, whose place should be in the article about the modern city. Therefore, I think that Ashkelon (ancient city) is the clearest option for the scope of the article. 2. Location identification: Today, the principal site of ancient Ashkelon is known as Tel Ashkelon. This is a declared national park in Israel, and it apears by that name. The official name of the park is "Ashkelon National Park". I think it makes a lot of sense to assume, that many people who visit Israel as tourist, will likely enter this Wikipedia article. They will not be referred to Ascalon, but to Ashkelon, either Tel Ashkelon (mentioned here, here, here and [32], which were the first results I was given by google. Therefore, the site, as a location, is better identified with Ashkelon rather than Ascalon Bolter21 ( talk to me) 11:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – 2024 CrowdStrike incident → ? – Two reasons: the first is that the lede of this article is straightforward; it instead say that there is an outrage, before saying how, where the title is derived from. Second, most reliable sources often refer this event as an outrage. The title should at least be moved to a title containing "outrage". Toadette Edit! 16:54, 19 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Tonlé Sap → Tonlé Sap Lake – The original name before renamed after the discussion Talk:Tonlé_Sap#Rename above, due to possible confusion with the river that connect the lake and Mekong. The name "Tonlé Sap Lake" is NOT redundant at all. In that discussion user Markalexander100 stated that "Khmer and English terms aren't quite equivalent. In Khmer, as far as I can tell, there is one name- Tonle Sap- which refers to the lake and river together, while in English we differentiate them." This is not quite right because the official name of the lake in Khmer is "បឹង​ទន្លេសាប" (Boeng Tonle Sap), where បឹង/boeng means lake. So clearly they still have the word "lake" in the name, to differentiate it from the river. ទន្លេ/Tonle means river and that's its only meaning, not "Tonlé already means lake (or a very large, wide river)" as stated by user Dara above. For example, Mekong is "Tonlé Mekong", Bassac River is "Tonlé Bassac", Kong River is "Tonlé Kong". There's no known translation as Tonlé to "lake". Another similarly named geographic feature is the Boeng Tonle Chhmar (a smaller lake next to the Tonle Sap Lake). So to sum up, if we say "Tonle Sap" (without adding "Boeng") to the Khmer-speaking people, theoretically we are referring to the river (according to the meaning of the words). But then since the lake is too well-known, the term "Tonle Sap" will become ambiguous. However, as a matter of fact, they should be able to tell which one you are referring to, based on the context of the conversation. My suggestion is to rename this article to Tonlé Sap Lake, and have a separate article about the river. Two options for this separate article's name is: # Tonlé Sap (as per its literal meaning in Khmer) or, # Tonlé Sap (river) and Tonlé Sap becomes the disambiguation page. The reason for having a separate article for the river is simply because not everything about the river can be merged into the lake's article. For example, Phnom Penh, the state's capital, is located at the mouth of the river and there's probably something about the river related to Phnom Penh's urban planning that's worth writing about. And merging these into the lake's article would be inappropriate. ទន្លេតូច ( talk) 23:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 22:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel → 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel – I believe that enough time has passed since the last RM (which proposed the simpler "7 October attacks" name and closed with consensus to retain the current title) to re-propose a title change for this article. I believe that "7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel" is the WP:COMMONNAME for this event, as seen in sources such as: * Al Jazeera: "... counter the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, which saw ..." * Bloomberg: "... trapped in Gaza since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, which prompted ..." * CBC: "... around the world since the Hamas-led attacks on Israel of Oct. 7 but are now ..." * CNN: "... from the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel being held ..." * Euracitiv: "... triggered by the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel in which ..." * France24: "Before the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that triggered ..." * ISW: "... spokesperson claimed that the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel was retaliation ..." * Middle East Eye: "Following the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel and subsequent ..." * NPR: "... Palestinian armed groups since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that set off the war ..." * NYTimes: "... including some who participated in the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, and that ..." * Reuters: "... were involved in the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that precipitated ..." * Times of Israel: "... during and after the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel." * The Conversation: "... participated in the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, which resulted ... " * WaPo: "Since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, restrictions have ..." Many sources simply say "7 October" or "October 7 attacks" instead of spelling out the full name, but I believe that while "7 October attacks" could be a more COMMON name, I think that it fails WP:AT#Precision in favor of "7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel." DecafPotato ( talk) 00:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 14:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel → Sexual violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel – Gender-based violence is defined as "any type of harm that is perpetrated against a person or group of people because of their factual or perceived sex, gender, sexual orientation and/or gender identity". [1] It is not currently clear that this article deals with any such violence other than that of a sexual nature, and even then, the lede states that male Israelis were also subjected to sexual violence (which if true suggests that it was not gender-based). A previous discussion on this topic has also shown that many people do not understand what the term "gender-based violence" actually means, so whether including it in the title is usefully descriptive is quite questionable.

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  1. ^ "What is gender-based violence? - Gender Matters". Council of Europe.
TRCRF22 ( talk) 14:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – 2024 Nuseirat rescue operation → Nuseirat raid and rescue – Most sources are dual referencing this as a raid, attack or assault rather than just as a rescue. Guardian "Israeli attacks in central Gaza killed scores of Palestinians, many of them civilians, on Saturday amid a special forces operation to free four hostages held there, with the death toll sparking international outrage." NYT "Israeli soldiers and special operations police rescued four hostages from Gaza on Saturday amid a heavy air and ground assault", CNN "Israel’s operation to rescue four hostages took weeks of preparation and involved hundreds of personnel, its military said. But the mission began with a trail of destruction in central Gaza and ended in carnage, according to local authorities." Selfstudier ( talk) 15:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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