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This revised article has been extensively reworked and reviewed prior to posting (reviewers include a PhD in Construction Science who teaches Building Technology and a PhD in History who teaches California Studies). Preparation prior to posting included enhancement of 21 existing sub-articles and the creation of 6 new sub-articles.
I'm mostly looking for comments regarding readability at this point (I'm 99% sure there are no typos) and suggestions for additional Wiki links, if any (not red ones, though!). The article is 32 kilobytes long at this point but much of that is the result of the photos and the two lists at the end of the article.
-- Lordkinbote 17:11, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Myself and alot of other users have been working hard to improve the article from its previous state, mostly adding sources and rewording already written material. However, I am confused; what can be done now to the article? Any comments and constructive criticism are welcome. Kind regards, Sebi [ talk 09:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
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I think it's overall a thorough, well done article, but strangely there seems to not be a specific description of musical style, tonality, composition and production techniques, etc. For comparison, look at the descriptions of musical techniques in the articles on Pink Floyd and Nine Inch Nails. I also wonder if you'd like to include some comments about the band's role in the "Sunset Strip scene/hair band genre" trends. VisitorTalk 06:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
This article has gone through a previous round of peer review and several failed FACs. After attempting to address several issues relating to the previous FACs, I am wondering if there is anything that has to be done with this article so that it will succeed FAC if it were nominated again. Pentawing Talk 01:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Nicely done, a bit long though, some sections like sports can be made a bit shorter. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 22:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
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I am considering self-nominating this piece for featured article status - I know there is already a Quatermass serial in featured articles, but there are many other examples of lots featured articles on similar subjects, so I didn't see the harm in giving this one a go. Therefore here it is on peer review so I can get some feedback on improving it before I submit it to the FAC page. Angmering 23:03, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There haven't been many archaeology Featured articles and I think Stonehenge could make it. I'd especially appreciate feedback on the modern significance of the monument as things like the Poltantric Circle are beyond me. adamsan 17:48, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There's a lot in the line of biased jargon in the, *ahem*, attempt at a justifcation for American military spending. For example, the need to "project power globally". What does that entail, other than alliteration and presumably machismo? It's the sort of meaningless buzzword employed at certain recent press conferences. My own political biases aside, it reads like a PoV-heavy, not-well-written defense from the statistics presented in the top section of the article, a section which used to appear in another article (full disclosure: I wrote that section) but was apparently moved to its current location for the purposes of the ensuing screed. Aratuk 11:10, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A good and comprehensive article on a very important subject (yes, I am a tad biased by my interests). It seems like most of the information is both factual and comprehensive. In my opinion, the article does a very good job of describing the complexity involved in classifying Chinese as a single languge and still thoroughly explaining why Chinese still is perceived as being just one language.
The pictures are good even though I'm sure a few more might fit in. I'm still hesitant if any pronunciation files should be added. but I'm hoping for comments on that one. Peter Isotalo 01:19, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
Very nice article. But I'm here to be critical of it, so here you go:
That'll be it for now. I've learned a lot of new things by reading this! — mark ✎ 14:11, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Recently, Umofomia expanded the phonology section and graced the article with an extensive morphology section. I have a few comments.
Resubmitting this for peer review since it has undergone some cleanup and now contains several nice images. I'm hoping to get this up to FAC quality. The archive of my last request can be found at Wikipedia:Peer review/Oakland Cemetery/archive1. -- uberpenguin 19:09, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)
This was the first article I ever wrote on Wikipedia, and coming back to it I think I'd quite like to shape it up into a featured article. I volunteer at Craftsman Farms on the weekends, so this makes it easy for me to find extra info but might also be skewing the focus of the article unfairly. If anyone has any ideas about what directions I should be going in, that would be great. Thanks! Philthecow 21:11, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
I don't really know where to go with this article, but I'd like to boost it up to featured status. Any advice would be welcome, jguk 20:50, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
What's the article need now? I think I've addressed the concerns from the previous PRs. -- Zanimum 17:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 18mm, use 18 mm, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 18 mm.Not exactly the most important element there is, nor is there much to say about it. But I think my recent expansion has moved it significantly toward FA quality. So, what else needs to be done to get it there? -- mav 00:25, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've recently done an extensive rewrite, moving sections around, rephrasing the lead and making a clearer distinction between artifical and natural mummies, adding pics, refs and ext. links and most of all a description of the Egyptian mummification process. I know it's not finished or feature-able yet, but I'd like some opionions on what still needs to be included. I'd specifically like opinions on whether I should include a short section on a few of the listed mummies linking to their main article above it. -- Mgm| (talk) 15:19, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
Cheers! Mgm| (talk) 11:25, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
I have already submitted this matter for arbitration. Thank you for your message here. SummerFR 18:04, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article has had many recent updates by a new user, and has potential for featured article status, but is in need of some NPOV editing by someone familiar with Jeb Bush. In addition, there are disputes over many of the pictures used in the article, which appear to have been lifted from the state of Florida's website and do not have copyright tags on them. I have tried to address my concerns on the talk page and through contacting other users individually, but it has started to descend into an open dispute between myself and SummerFR in spite of all of my efforts to work together. I hope that by listing it on peer review some other users could help get this article to be both accurate and neutral, as well as helping with the photo issues.-- BaronLarf 01:43, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
I have been harassed nonstop for the one week I have been here because of my attempt -- repeat: ATTEMPT -- to make my contributions to this article. The person above has repeatedly made false accusations against me as discussed on the discussion page for this article. He or she is apparently so concerned that Jeb Bush might get credit for one of his many achievements that the above USER is driving me crazy -- following me around, counting my edits and announcing the number when he posts on the article, constantly deleting photos and reverting my work, failing to answer my questions, and ignoring my responses to his questions, and ignoring an email from myflorida.com that he pestered me for under threat of action against me. This is not a "neutral" concern as he claims for "peer review." What he or she has done is called blantant harassment, and it is continuous and persistant against me.
I have never been as harassed as badly anywhere online as I have been on this site and I am familiar with many web site forums from all sides of the political aisle. The liberals at this site who hate Jeb Bush are really ruining this site for the people who want to learn about him. I am not doing any more work on this article for a week at least since my contributions are constantly destroyed for no reason. I am hoping to get rid of a migraine headache brought on by the above poster and others including a poster named JEZ. I appreciate the one wiki administrator who restored text to this article, MATINI2005, however no administrator is any match for the nonstop harassment by the above poster, BaronLarf. SummerFR 03:14, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
"Peer Review" is for completed articles being nominated for an award and honor as "feature article." Since the JEB article is not finished, and since you are certainly not trying to honor it, this matter of your harassment against me really belongs in the forum I said, called arbitration. As you know so much about wikipedia, feel free to start the correct process. It is not "peer review." SummerFR 03:26, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
By the way, still waiting for your acknowledgement of Alia Farej, Gov Bush's spokesperson, and her email re the photo copyrights, and I posted that email and pointed it out to you repeatedly on the article discussion page. Yet, here, again, you are pretending no such email exists when it does, and it is posted. SummerFR 03:29, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC
From: "Faraj, Alia" [her myflorida.com email address deleted] To: [SummerFR] CC: [myflorida.com and Gov Bush] Subject: FW: Permission request to use myflorida.com phhotos on wiki entry about you Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:49:34 -0400
Hello [SummerFR],
I am checking with the appropriate people at MyFlorida and will get back in touch with you as soon as I get a response. Thank you very much for checking with us.
Sincerely,
Alia
________________________________
Original Message-----
From: [SummerFR] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:12 PM To: Jeb Bush Subject: Permission request to use myflorida.com photos on wiki entry about you
Dear Gov Bush,
Is it OK with you that I post photos from myflorida.com in a wikipedia entry I am writing about you?
If there is someone else I need to contact, kindly let me know.
Below is a request I received from wiki, and my reply. I will be sharing
your reply here with wiki.
Thanks for your help.
Sincerely, [my real name deleted here in post on wiki page for Jeb discussion] aka SummerFR on wikipedia.com)
Nice of you to NOW mention "FEATURE ARTICLE STATUS" in YOUR NEW EDIT of your message, after I MENTIONED IT FIRST AND HAD TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU JUST NOW ON THIS PAGE. SummerFR 03:47, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The consensus on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/LinuxQuestions.org is currently for a Keep and Expand, so I'd like someone knowledgeable on the subject to do so. Master Thief Garrett 22:20, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It is a pretty good article but was rejected from being a featured article. -- Tony Jin | (talk) 00:39, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
This was the first article I wrote for Wikipedia when I first got on last year. I've just rewritten most of it and expanded the information as well as adding links and references. I'm considering nominating this for FA, but having spent time on the FAC board, I know they are sharks. What should be improved? Thanks! Ganymead 07:05, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Well, we've had two peer reviews, a couple of major blowouts, mediation, some RFC's, and a massive rewrite. Personally, I think this version is pretty good, but I've been working on it for some time now. Please note that the article is still listed as in mediation, as a controversial topic, and that this has been a problematic article. Comments and suggestions are appreciated. FuelWagon 23:33, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback so far. I would just say in response to the idea of cutting the article: sure. except as soon as you cut out one accusation of witchcraft, someone will cry bias. Motions and affidavits of the most absurd accusations and assertions were filed and the court found most of them to be utterly without basis. But if you cut one affidavit, someone will howl that we left out so-and-so's accusations that Michael practiced statanic rituals on Terri, drank her blood, and danced on her grave, and therefore say the article is biased. They'll put the accusation back in, and it will get reverted, an edit war will flare up, and the only stable solution we've managed to reach is to describe so-and-so's accusations and then give a full account of how the court viewed them, what the guardian ad litems said contrary to them, and so on. The end result, of course, being an 80k article. If there's a way to shorten the article, that won't get reverted by those who wish to list every accusation of witchcraft against Michael, the only idea I canthink of is to break the 80k article into some sub articles. I'm not sure how, but I think if you just delete something, you'll see someone eventually put it back in, only they'll put in one POV versus all the different POV's. suggestions for how to cut it into subarticles would be appreciated. FuelWagon 06:29, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
This is way too long and way beyond the scope of Wikipedia. I think just the first 2 paragrphs, plus a little summing up statement of its significance should suffice. There is no need to list EVERY doctor, EVERY diagnosis, EVERY school she attended, etc. While this topic is obviously important to those close to the person, it gets a disproportionate amount of attention relative to other articles, and there is really very little in it that would interest a general public. What is needed here is some perspective. For example, the article on George Washington is less than half the size of this article. Is there really twice as much to say about Terri Schiavo than about George Washington that would actually interest a general public? This is not the forum to dispute issues, rather it is the place to put things into their proper perspective and to show how they fit with other aspects of knowledge. What is the historical significance of this case? Why should we remember it in 20 years? What does it tell us about the United States in 2005? Nrets 17:38, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
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It's good as it is now, but it's really a bit short. However, I've pretty much run out of stuff from the listed references (and Reyburn's book is, as stated in the text, more of an anti-reference). Ideas or further references I failed to trip over would be most welcome. I suppose I should go out and take a pic of a Thomas Crapper manhole cover ... - David Gerard 10:27, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There is so much in this article that you'll want to read it just to quench your thirst for knowledge (you're working on an encyclopedia after all). If you're done reading, take five minutes to report your findings here and tell what it needs to become a Featured Article! — mark ✎ 01:50, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Some suggestions: images should be there if your goal is to make it a FA. I don't like the misuse of the TOC with the use of excess sections. I can point you to Sikkim which is also a state/province of FA status. Your infobox has no margins and the text almost wraps into the box. The article should be shortened and the detail moved to main articles -- rationale: since it is a geographic article which contains discrete topics, a summary of the salient points should be highlighted instead of long narrative topics. = Nichalp ( talk · contribs)= 19:53, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
This article deals with a tumultuous electoral fiasco which has caused serious reverberations throughout the political structure of the state of Washington. While the final resolution to the entire topic is not completed, currently in litigation, the political situation in Washington is otherwise quite stable, with Gov. Christine Gregoire having actively served as governor for two months as of tomorrow.
It was nominated for FAC in early Feb, but was closely rejected for a variety of vague reasons. I would say that all of the actionable objections to the article's candidacy have been addressed, with the exception of some people's objections that an article can not be high quality if the world has not yet been polite enough to finish turning and bring its topic to complete closure. </rant>
Anyway, before proposing a renom, I am looking for more outside input.
TIA, Keith D. Tyler ¶ [ AMA] 03:28, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
I wrote the article, and I'd like to put it on FAC soon. The description section is nearly done; the history section I plan to expand later. Questions? Comments? Neutrality talk 02:43, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
I recently did a complete rewrite of the article after the original article was marked as a copyvio; I think my rewrite approaches Featured Article quality, but I'd like some other people to look over it. I'm a bit unsure about the large proportion of possible interpretations (which are necessarily conjectural) as opposed to the relatively small amount of hard facts, but that seems to be necessitated by the article's topic. There are also some points that might need fact-checking by someone really well informed about early Norwegian history (my main reference work dates from 1996, and there seems to be an ongoing debate on the dating of lots of the carvings - different online sources date the most recent carvings as far apart as 500 BC and 500 AD). There's also an ugly redlink to Komsa I would like ot get rid of - I could probably create a good stub about the Komsa culture, but I'm not an expert in that field, so I'd really appreciate some input there -- Ferkelparade π 10:07, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I finally resolved the copyvio situation, the article now resides at its proper title. If nobody has any more suggestions for improvement of the article, I'll move on to FAC...thanks to everyone for your input! -- Ferkelparade π 08:27, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Do not worry too much about the title of this one; it is slowly outgrowing its original status as a lacklustre list. However I would be really grateful of where to go next - where to get more information from etc. Resources for non-English language films would be particularly useful. Comments on structure too please! It would be especially pleasing if this could be rounded out enough to become a FA. It would be the first FA to my knowledge to have survived VfD in its earliest days. Pcb21| Pete 15:16, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Recently this article saw a major improvement, and its starting to get close to what I think is FAC-able. Figured i'd run it through PR to get some critiquing.
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I've wrote pretty much the whole thing and am now working on History of the Grand Canyon area offline. I'd like to put this through FAC. So far I plan to expand the lead section a bit and add photos. What else can be done to make this article a good FAC? -- mav 02:51, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This is another of my geographic articles. I've closely followed all conventions including the footnotes as suggested earlier. Its comprehensive, has some nice images, but I need a copyedit (as usual) and some critique. = Nichalp ( talk · contribs)= 19:36, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
This failed as a GA article, so let's see how we can improve it. One thing was it mentioned citations. The problem is many of the places where citations are needed are not listed on the web, a lot are in liner notes of Ytse Jam albums, since that's where MUCH of the history of DT has been listed. I also edited all the one sentance paragraphs and combined them into others. Splent 01:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
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Helen Gandy was J. Edgar Hoover's secretary for 54 years. This article, proposed for deletion in February, has been completely overhauled. It is now longer than Hoover's entry and includes a thorough bibliography. PedanticallySpeaking 18:30, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
This is a self-nomination. I am requesting a peer review to prepare this document for Featured Article nomination. I was surprised to find little information on autostereograms in wikipedia when I was writing a program to produce Magic Eye pictures. So I promised myself to come back and significantly expand the existing Autostereogram article. As you probably know, wikipedia editing can be addictive. Before I knew, I had turned this article into a (hopefully) comprehensive review of autostereogram theories and a user-guide on techniques in 'seeing' these pictures. Fred Hsu 03:27, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
I am renominating this article because it has been totally rewritten since its last pear review and has almost no resemblance to the earlier version. It appears to be well written and of good quality. Zginder ( talk) 14:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
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This article about hydrochloric acid is fairly complete, and covering the important aspects of the chemical. Before nominating it for Featured Article, I start out humbly by asking for a peer review first. Wim van Dorst 17:37, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
--- The research that I did for the biological section was mainly on Wikipedia, and all those sources are linked within the section. Many sources that I used for the rest of the article are documents that I retain from my previous job. As business internal documents, I cannot use them as reference. Where possible I referred to external links on website, and several relevant public sources. --- I renamed the 'in nature' to 'in biology', but I don't like that name either. I would like to have some more references to animal digestive stuff. Further recommendations? Renaming is a good recommendation, but into what? --- For a technical product brochure, I had my hands on some superb non-public domain, copyrighted picture material. Unfortunately it isn't combinable with wikipage publication. Now I'll have to find some other pictures. Sofar I put the Corrosive sign up, and a parchment picture of first discoverer Jabir. I had a dab at drawing a HCl molecule, but that did not turn out well enough for the wikipage. Anybody else better at doing this kind of thing (H white ball, r=1, and Cl green ball, r=4)? I'll be looking for a splash picture for the opening paragraph in the direction of one of the applications. Wim van Dorst 20:11, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)
Leather shoes Leather swimsuit Dessert made with gelatin Sorbets made with gelatin
I like that one best too, so that settles it: it is up! And I'll add some more elsewhere in the article. Note that I added the HCl schematic drawing (poor as it is) to the hydrogen chloride page, which tickled the next question: scope (see below). PS. Added an (unpublic) reference in the list too. Thanks for re-affirming the need for it. Wim van Dorst 16:57, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)
These pictures don't have beautiful models or desserts in them, but they may be helpful anyway. Are either of them useful for the page? I kept them small to save bandwidth but can make them bigger if needed. Sorry I couldn't line up the captions. We might need to add a little to the text if the ammonia one is used, by way of explanation- but this is a classic experiment, worth including. I agree that a titration would be nice, but I really don't have time to set that up right now (new baby any day now!). Also a lorry with a one tonne valic of HCl would be nice! Please let me know if there are other simple pix I could do in less than half an hour that might work better. I could do zinc or Al dissolving in HCl or something like that. Meanwhile I will try my hand at editing the chemistry section- I think it's all good stuff but it should be more concise. Walkerma 05:11, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm using the HCl-NH3 picture for the article
Ammonium, since that article already specifically mentions that reaction forming NH4Cl. I also would like to use the "HCl fumes on pH paper" picture for the
Hydrogen chloride article since it effectively shows hydrogen chloride is acidic.
H Padleckas 07:55, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi H, the buret acid titration is excellent for the chemistry section. So much so that I already put it up. How's that for support. And Hi Martin, I like the first 'here' (03) best. The glass jar is photogenic. Could you make a picture like this, with a dark background, from a lower viewpoint, i.e., more level to the label? Such a thing could perhaps be worthwhile for the opening paragraph. Wim van Dorst 22:24, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)
As requested, I have taken a picture "straight on" of a bottle of HCl (Hydrochloric_acid_05.jpg, on the right). Can this be used? If not, please feel free to edit the picture, or give me advice on what picture you would like. One problem we have is- let's face it- HCl isn't that photogenic! While I've been away the page has started to look really good, everyone...! Walkerma 23:06, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Martin, welcome back. I do like your picture, that is for sure! What if we move the yellow Corrosive sign down to the Safety section, and put this in the top op the table? Anybody comments? Wim van Dorst 22:06, 2005 Mar 23 (UTC)
Should the hydrogen chloride page be included in the hydrochloric acid page, or should it be kept as a separate page? Wim van Dorst 16:35, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC) (Note that the other way around is certainly wrong! WvD)
While I don't have strong feelings on the matter and defer to your judgement, I'd prefer keeping the articles separate and expanding the hydrogen chloride page with physical data, application and history information, all of which would be quite different from the information in the hydrochloric acid article. As long as each of the two articles links to the other one in the opening paragraph, I don't think readers will have a problem locating the information they are after; if all the information were combined in one article, it might become a bit overwhelming. Cheers, AxelBoldt 21:43, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I have improved hydrogen chloride from a stub to a reasonable article. On a side note: this hydrochloric acid article really needs a cleanup! There are several weasel terms, multiple wikilinks for the same article, and images that do not really have something to do with the topic. I am strongly against Gelatindessert.png at such a prominent place. The format of the data table is outdated. Maybe I will find the time to fix some of these. (Sig added later: Cacycle 22:26, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC))
Hi Cacycle, using strong words, I think it would be nice if you also sign the comment. And as this is the Peer Review request page, your improvement suggestions are appreciated, as is your work on the
hydrogen chloride page.
Sorry, forgot to sign. I will take care of the points from above tomorrow. Sorry when my comment sounded a bit harsh. The facts are great, but before nominating it for featured article the text needs some polishing and we need more appropriate pictures or illustrations. Cacycle 22:26, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
From the Talk page of Hydrochloric acid, I moved the following Questions to here:
-- jag123 22:10, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The fluoridation reaction is a chlorine replacing reaction. Typo in the formula, now corrected. And the household application that comes to mind is builders cleaner, to take care of mortar stains or so? I'm not detailed familiar with it. It is also bottled under the name of muriatic acid (fortunately low concentration) for unnamed household purposes. Please don't let them throw a dollop in the toilet after they cleaned it with bleach (sodium hypochlorite)... Wim van Dorst 22:42, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)
The images currently don't have captions; you only get to see the text if you "mouse over". I think it would be good to have the captions visible, and to move the gelatin picture further down to the applications section. As main picture, maybe a photo of a bottle with hydrochloric acid, carrying the common warning label? AxelBoldt 18:31, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
My opinion is that a Chemistry section is needed for this Hydrochloric acid article. I'm writing it now. I will add it when I'm finished. H Padleckas 21:33, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm essentially finished with the "Chemistry" section of this article. In case any reviewers think this Chemistry section is lengthy technical overkill for the average Wikipedia reader, I volunteer that the two sentences starting and ending with
are expendable. Deleting them would not likely cause a great loss to the overall understanding of the article. Also, some of the length comes from short explanations I put in trying to make this a once read-through section (to a practical extent) so the average Wikipedia reader would not have to constantly use links for an understanding of some fundamental terms. If I was writing this for professional chemists, some of those explanations would be omitted.
The data table for hydrochloric acid is significantly improved now after the last two or so edits.
I was planning to take some of the information on synthesis and/or production of hydrogen chloride for insertion into the
Hydrogen chloride article. As far as I'm concerned, that information can stay in both articles. I plan to put a data table in the Hydrogen chloride article which in many instances contains different data than the Hydrochloric acid article. That project is still in progress.
H Padleckas 16:21, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Wim van Dorst 22:10, 2005 Mar 15 (UTC)
Hi Padleckas, I like the titration picture proposal. Give the huge range of pH indicator and very nice colour changes they can give, this is a nice idea. It is a pity that it emphasizes the laboratory use which for the commercial market is negligible. And also for Cacycle, the 37% is a chemical standard only in the laboratory, and even then it is not THE standard: 36% and 38% are just as common for concentrated hydrochloric acid. And in the industrial 30% is the real big thing, hence my choice for that as the reference material for the table. So if you would insist on only one concentration, I would recommend 30% instead of 37%. But the important conclusion that I drew is not either/or: I think it not overkill but necessary to have more than one concentration. Apart from the properties that you mention, also vapour pressure, pH, and viscosity are highly dependent on the concentration. I therefore propose to add a table with chemical and physical properties for various concentrations: 5% 10% 20% 30% 32% 34% 36% and 38% seem reasonable. Perhaps also a 0% for reference? I'll work on this tomorrow or so. Wim van Dorst 00:17, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)
Is the specific heat capacity important for the table? If so we should elaborate on it. Boiling and melting points would be interesting values to add to the table. I also like the orange symbols on the italian article. Cacycle 13:30, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Saying HF is weak is not really accurate. It may not dissociate easily in water, but unlike the others HX, it's the only one that can etch glass. It's only weak in terms of dissociating in water, which doesn't really mean much.
This discussion should really be moved to the article's talk page, where it should have started to begin with. The peer review subpage is not the place to discuss everything but to alert people what needs to be looked at. -- jag123 14:52, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You're right in pointing out that the strong/weak acid text needed improvement: I changed it to better indicate which monoprotic acid is what. That HF can etch glass is true, but has nothing to do with its acid strength. I disagree that this discussion should be elsewhere: the directive on top of the Peer Review page clearly states that any comments are to be added to the specific section. You'd better be happy that there is this lively discussion about a page under Peer Review. Wim van Dorst 17:07, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)
I know etching of glass isn't a gauge of acid strength, but I still think characterizing HF as weak is misleading. The chemistry re: HF is pretty much unique, because of the high electronegativity and especially the entropy / ordering of water molecules around HF (which is really something like FHFHFH..., unlike the other HX). Weak/strong acids is purely a chemistry qualification. HF may not dissociate fully in water, but it'll dissociate if it comes into contact with other elements. People shouldn't assume that HF is weak, like vinegar (which many people do). HCl, on the other hand, is a strong acid, both in the chemistry and "practical" sense. Anyway, I've removed the last sentence, and I don't think it changes the article. On top of it, I had/have a problem with "common halogens". Astatine isn't common partly because it's useless; half-life of longest living isotope is 8 hours.
And yes, I am happy that there is peer reviewing on these types of articles. There needs to be more FA regarding science. -- jag123 13:22, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Jag123 (couldn't find your normal name), your final change to the text first took me by surprise, but after all I actually like it: the paragraph is more hydrochloric acid focussed as a result, and therefore I think also better. Good change. Perhaps you can do a little editing to pages such as strong acid and weak acid, where the arguments you bring forward will have a better acceptance. And at the rate of change the hydrochloric acid page is still being improved, it looks like it may never be stable enough for FA status :-). Wim van Dorst 16:43, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)
I'm glad you like my changes. I'm not trying to convert the world regarding weak/strong acids, but I just didn't think that sentence was important enough to the article to leave it in. I guess I keep thinking this will be eventually an FA and want to keep the average person in mind. Hopefully I don't pass off as being too anal, but this "HF is weak" thing is somewhat of a pet peeve of mine :) -- jag123 19:19, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Here is a German page with cool images: http://www.seilnacht.com/Chemie/ch_hcl.htm Unfortunately the images are copyrighted and it doesn't look as if we could convince the guy to put some of them under GPL or into PD. BTW, I have uploaded all orange hazard symbols to the Wikimedia Commons. Cacycle 20 Mar 2005
Yes, there are plenty of very nice pictures around, but then nearly always copyrighted. I saw that you uploaded the correct one to the approporiate place already: good idea. I was thinking about doing the same. Wim van Dorst 18:33, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)
Anyone know what the color of a common indicator that is used with HCl? It's really easy to change the color in titration picture, but I don't know which color is best. -- jag123 13:26, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi all, since February 12 the hydrochloric acid page has seen on average between five and ten smaller and (mostly) bigger changes on a daily basis. It is my humble opinion that most significant suggestions from the beginning (read up higher here) have either been implemented or else discussed out of the article. Some things have been found to be unachievable within this short timeframe such as eloquent pictures, but worthwhile other things have been added unexpectedly (at least for me) such as the Chemistry and the Chem Phys properties table. Obviously, the page won't ever be finished. Could we then suggest that we close the Peer Review and put the page up for Featured Article Candidate? Or are important things still missing, pictures still forthcoming RSN, battling discussions to be finalized? Wim van Dorst 19:59, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)
Indeed I now see the convergence stepping in over the whole article: good housekeeping has been done on biology, references and other sections; final (as if they are ever) text improvements are added; and the good toothcombing work is also being done now by Cacycle and Padleckas (thanks, others invited to participate of course). Overall, the additions are slowing down (or is it just Easter?), so I propose to move to FAC in a week from now. And remember that future additions, elaborations and other improvements remain possible, even as a FA. Wim van Dorst 10:25, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)
Different layout I've moved the history section above the chemistry section because the tables were one on top of the other on my end (1024x768, IE6). I also think it flows better, since the chemistry, production & application sections follow each other. If this looks worse than before for anyone, revert. -- jag123 01:24, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry it took me ( H Padleckas) several days to finish writing these explanatory comments up. My hopefully final review of the Hydrochloric acid article results in these comments:
It took me three read-throughs to catch the style error: you're eagle-eyed, Padleckas. Obviously, it is reworded now. Wim van Dorst 18:02, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC)
Yes, it certainly was clumsily worded. Wim van Dorst 18:02, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC)
Yes, indeed, there is very little information about the topic. I searched some more and did find some better references to the detailed techniques, although not to the generic term. I reworded the paragraph, removing the offending link, and inserted a few better ones. Wim van Dorst 18:23, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC)
Actually, as I understood it from extruders, whereas it chemically is rust, it is also named 'scale'. Your text change was therefore very good. Wim van Dorst 21:06, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC)
Excellent!!! I tried to find MDI/TDI information at the beginning of this editing spell, but didn't find any. Your change is spot-on! Wim van Dorst 21:06, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC)
Ok, guys (I believe no female participation sofar? Women invited, though): Changes have been structural to the discussion, there are no open issues at present, the article has been updated, enlarged, comprised, reduced, enhanced, elaborated, augmented, illustrated, completed, and improved. Thanks to you all! I'll now move it to the FAC page, to see what others think of it. Wim van Dorst 20:54, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
High five!! It's now a highly rated FEATURE ARTICLE! Congratulations to Wim van Dorst and all other contributors and reviewers. H Padleckas 08:35, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I would like to have this page copyedited. I've added all the info, I hope a trained eye can catch any quirks in the grammar before I upgrade it as an FAC. = Nichalp ( talk · contribs)= 20:25, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
I have certainly detected some flame-like controversy regarding the status of the Portuguese language in Goa. Some sanguinity is called for. As an involved lifetime resident of Portuguese-speaking Southeast New England, in America, I can safely say that Goa is rich as a city because of its role as the base of trade between South Asia, Portugal, Portuguese-speaking America, Macao and most importantly, Brasil. In other words, Portuguese is in no danger of being replaced by English in Goa. It has a massive economic role. It is almost as if this language controversy is a Fata Morgana insofar as nothing could possibly change the popularity of Portuguese in the Goa area. There is a lot of money involved. Wouldn't you, the average Wiki reader, make a serious attempt to learn Portuguese in order to become an import-export millionaire, working trading Indian goods to Europe and Brazil, if you were a citizen of India? Wouldn't you learn Portuguese to become an employee of such a company? At this point, Brazil has a population of almost 200 million people. To take a facetious tone, that's a lot of curry to sell and a lot of money to be made doing it. It would behoove one not to appear as if one is somehow blocking 'the road to riches,' as it were, here on the Goa pages. Wouldn't the average Anglo become irritated if their access to working in the computer industry, or working in New York City or London, were desubstantiated in the pages of an encylopedia? It really adds up to the same thing. To maintain neutrality one needs to look at the role of the English language in post-colonial Hong Kong to find a parallel to this situation. In particular, one should consider the role of the PRC goverment in its attempts to partially outlaw the use of English in business and in high schools when trying to write articles about Goa. There are obvious similarities between the two situations. There is a huge amount of money to be made in speaking Portuguese in Goa and Macao. Goa in effect functions as a 'funnel' for Indian-made export goods. Its function as 'funnel' extends not only to Brasil, et al, but also to the PRC through its sister city, Macao. The use of Portuguese is of course encouraged by the financial arms of the Indian goverment for this reason. People's jobs depend on it. As India, China, Brazil and the EU are involved in this trade, one could say that half the world's population is affected by Goans. I hope this Talk article can help solve the language controversy currently active in the Goa pages of Wikipedia. To take an obvious neutral perspective, it hurts to see people's livelihoods being effectively callously dismissed by seemingly ignorant Anglocentrics on the pages of the Wiki. I think this perceived callousness and ignorance is the reason for the emotion involved in the extant discussion. 'Portuguese Pride' is central to Portuguese culture and as such it should be a guiding light for anyone attempting to write about the Greater Portuguese community, much as one would normally respect America and the U.K. in writing about those places in places like Dallas Cowboys and The Prince's Trust. If anyone still has a question at this point, just consider the 2005 Per Capita Income of the city. At this level, it just can't be too difficult to understand. Thank you for reading.-- McDogm 21:13, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
This article was a former candidate for Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week and just barely missed getting the required vote. Since that time, however, it has gradually evolved into a fairly meaty article, and hopefully somewhat interesting. Is there anything that needs to be added, enhanced or cleaned up to turn it into a solid page? Thank you! RJH 20:30, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I appreciate the comments of the peer review, and have made a number of changes following those suggestions -- 209.247.222.103 21:04, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm working on getting a map of the grants or at least of the general area, but I would love comments on what needs polishing or expanding, what's not clear, and so on. It's a history of illegal land grants in colonial America which resulted in the creation of the state of Vermont. Thanks for looking at it! jengod 21:21, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
Apart from a lot small points and the question of style, all discussed on the talk page, the most problematic point at the moment is the section, which is sometimes titled "The Arab liberation of Egypt" and at other times "The Arab Invasion and Occupation of Egypt". -- Pjacobi 10:13, 2005 Mar 3 (UTC)
I am going to put this article for nomination. Can you mention where to improve? -- 202.40.210.174 02:57, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am fairly proud of this article after having done a lot of research, expansion, and copyediting to make it not only look good, but explain its topic well within appropriate contexts.
I'd like to see it be a suitable nominee for FAC. I am sure that my involvement in it limits my ability to assess its fitness with those requirements.
Should something be expanded? Reworded? Separated? Is more detail or information needed somewhere? Is there a glaringly omitted section? Is the list OK or does it need to be moved off?
Regards, Keith D. Tyler ¶ [ AMA] 23:59, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)
I'm nominating this article because I think it fills a void in Canadian aviation history. (Also, because I wrote it...). Although I feel that the subject is pretty well covered, I would appreciate feedback on any changes/additions/subtractions that people feel would improve the article.
Voodude 22:17, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Whilst this small prison isn't as famous as many others around the world, it still has a short but interesting history. Where should such an article like this go from here for improvement? -- Longhair | Talk 16:10, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This is the second time this article has been submitted to Peer Review. The first peer review request is located at Wikipedia:Peer review/Christina Aguilera/archive1. Since the previous request, the article has improved signifigantly, and I'm planning on seeing whether or not this is prime time for WP:FAC. -- LBMixPro (Speak on it!)
People knowledgeable in physics and engineering—particularly those familiar with the design of electric motors and the terminology used to describe them—please have a look at this article. This is a description of a claimed perpetual motion or "overunity" or "free energy" device. There is a slow-simmering discussion between two contributors on how it is described, and, in particular, whether it is appropriate to describe it as a form of "switched reluctance motor". One of the contributors is likely (I haven't actually asked him) the person whose 2001 design for a version of this motor has been disseminated on the Net. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:56, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Haven't worked on this in a while, it's fairly complete but needs some reading over. — Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 11:38, 2005 Mar 1 (UTC)
This is far too short for featured status, but I believe it is worthy of "1.0" status (it is sufficiently well-written, complete, etc to go into a stable release of Wikipedia). To be sure, I'd like it checked for typos and grammar by a native English speaker. Also, if there are any other Swedish speakers around, it would be great if someone could compare it against the primary source to make sure I didn't get anything wrong. Fredrik | talk 23:54, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This was the COTW in June 2004. I put it up on WP:FAC in December 2004 (here is its sub-page) but objections were raised about:
This is still one of the best ex-COTWs and I'd like to get it up to featured status: I don't think it is far off. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:25, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yes it looks pretty good overall. One sentence did catch my eye though: it began, "During this three-day..." and concerned the 2500yr celebration of the founding of the Persian Empire. But the sentence did not include a conclusion. — RJH 18:47, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It's looking quite good. I tightened up the intro paragraphs a bit, but they could still use a little more tweaking. They provide a good overview of events, but would benefit by being more concise. Also:
Aside from that, I'd say it's mostly a matter of polishing the style a bit and tightening up the narrative flow, and it'd be near-featured status. Nice work! -- Wapcaplet 20:02, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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If I may add about the last point (excuse me if this is not the right place to add), revolutions do not require a majority of the people's support. A majority of American people weren't beholden to Washington in 1776. A majority of the Russian people did not support Lenin's Bolsheviks in 1917. A majority of Ukrainians did not support Yukashenko in 2004. I seriously doubt a majority of the Iranian people supported Khomeini in 1979. All you need for a revolution is a sufficient mass number, which needs be nowhere near a majority. That part of the article almost certainly needs correction.
This was the COTW in January 2005. I think it is pretty good on its topic, although any expansion would be great, but it particularly needs some proper references. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:27, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I wrote this biography of an Ohio writer whose first novel has gotten glowing reviews everywhere. It has links and photos, has been catagorized, and has a bibliography. Any comments? PedanticallySpeaking 17:40, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Self-nomination. I've recently done a major expansion on this, and I feel it pretty solidly covers all the important stuff. -- SPUI ( talk) 14:14, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Created on 28 March, 2005 (and was just on DYK), I've written this article and included some images I made for it. I'm now at the point of not being able to think of anything else that could expand the information there. I might place this on WP:FAC (I know it's not the longest of articles) but would like some wider input first. Cheers. violet/riga (t) 21:05, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
After further expansions I'm now going to place this on WP:FAC – thanks to those that looked at the article. violet/riga (t) 18:23, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This was a former collaboration of the week article, during which it improved markedly. Still, lots of errors remained, and I've been working on it for the past two weeks to get it to an improved state (revising text parts, adding references and so on). I still think the article is a bit long and that there's room for improvement. I would like comments on where to shorten the article and on general ways of improving the thing and get it to the featured article status. -- Cugel 08:36, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)
I am looking at WP:FAC in a week's time, but I am hoping to get a second pair of eyes (or more) to see if the article can be improved. -- JuntungWu 14:46, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I was impressed by this article and nominated it as a featured candidate, but it clearly it is not to that standard yet. On the recommendation I received there, I am referring this article to peer review. It's pretty good, but it needs improvement. I'd love to see this reach featured standard. -- L33tminion | (talk) 17:02, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not interested in this becoming a FAC or anything, I'm just curious what areas need improvement so that I can both improve this article and achieve a higher standard for future articles. As of now I'm kind of in the dark with what I'm doing right or wrong and have never really got any guidance. I read a lot of the guides and everything but I think some real criticism would be of much value. I'm particularly insecure about the prose and the flow of it all; I think it might be boring or maybe a bit convoluted. I definitely cant see the forest for the trees on this one. -- Clngre 22:45, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)
This is (in my humble opinion, anyway) a rather interesting and important Supreme Court case that typically gets little notice. While most people are familiar with big name race-related rulings such as Brown v. Board, or Korematsu v. United States, smaller cases such as Oyama nonetheless serve as important precedents. I have tried to make the article as complete as I can, including details of the opinions as well as some historical information, but I am certain that I have inadvartently omitted some information. For example, California history is not my strong suit, so the section about California Alien Land Laws could probably be significantly expanded. Any takers? RidG (talk) 23:45, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to see if we could get this article up to featured article status. It started out of Did You Know, and has had contributions by a large number of Wikipedians. Any help would be appreciated, jguk 08:00, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Resubmitting this for peer review since it has undergone some cleanup and now contains several nice images. I'm hoping to get this up to FAC quality. The archive of my last request can be found at Wikipedia:Peer review/Oakland Cemetery/archive1. -- uberpenguin 19:09, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)
I've created Surreal humour, and I'm rather proud of it, but the style is a little different to the usual article. Hence I'm submitting it to peer review to check I haven't gone completely nuts. Maybe the herring is too much? Rls 02:56, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)
Very nice, overall. I would break it up slightly into parts (for example, famous users of surreal humour), examples of surreal humour (put your joke there to refer to it) and add a caption purporting that cow image to be a possible example of surreal humour. (And yes, while the herring looks very nice, it doesn't add much content. The cow photo is good enough, in my opinion.) Good luck! CryptoStorm 06:41, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It strikes me as a good start. You might want to add some references (Monty Python spring s to mind), and wikilinks to other forms of humour. WegianWarrior 08:46, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Just trying to see what others want to say, see what happens. -- User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 09:00, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The Kashmir Problem is an important international problem.However in discussions about Kashmir the view of Kashmiris which is in the Kashmiri language gets ignored.This article discusses a poem regarding the Kashmir Problem by the great Kashmiri Poet Mehjoor(1888-1952) which is a versification of a very important speech by the great Kashmiri leader Sheikh Mohammed Abdullah made in 1949 at the shrine of Hazratbal.An understanding of the character and views of Sheikh Abdullah is essential for any person who wants to understand the Kashmir problem in its proper perspective and this article is an attempt in that direction
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I originally wrote this article but would like to ask for help from professionals. I would appreciate any psycologist/psychiatrist, etc. to edit or improve or even totally rewrite the article( with insights , phsycological comments, etc). I feel that this article and the book( Waking the Tiger) is very relevant. Thanks. -- Jondel 01:12, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Resubmitting (Step no. 3) The book Waking the Tiger by Peter Levine (1997) has a respectable Amazon sales rank of 1409. Google has 179,000 hits when the key word 'book' was added. This book has dramatically helped others and I hope the article will eventually help those recovering from trauma as a book review.The article is now under Vfd. Any help would be highly appreciated.-- Jondel 05:13, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Like a lot of contributors, I came across a topic that I knew well, was underimpressed with the quality, and felt something of a duty to improve it. I put a lot of time into this, but I still do feel kind of uncertain of its quality. Just in general, I'd like somebody to go over it and tell me what I did wrong. I have the feeling that it maybe should cover certain topics more and others less, or that I didn't place enough importance on specific things. I was thinking about trying to add some audio clips of stuttering, although I'm not sure if that's appropriate. Any ideas or criticisms will be noted and appreciated. -- Clngre 02:46, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
I like the article a lot. I changed some minor things, and I found a few points that could be improved:
This needs SO much work it makes my eyes hurt to look at it. It should probably be split into several different lists due to its currently unwieldy size, not to mention that separate lists of "masts" and "towers" may be pointless anyway due to the overlap and question as to whether the term "mast" is even widespread. Also, the whole middle section of text should probably be in a separate article and needs major overhaul (cleanup, organization, wikification) in and of itself. I don't know where to start, somebody help! This is way out of my league. Junkyardprince | Tark 02:42, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I think this article is pretty complete and well organised and I'm considering FACing it (compare with Buckinghamshire which is already FA), just requesting the community's input re: anything missing, layout etc first. Joe D (t) 13:39, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
-- Spangineer ∞ 03:23, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
Just a minor point, somewhere I think it should be made clear that the electroweak transition represents the current limit of the physics we can experimentally verify using particle accelerators. Our ideas of what happens before that are at best educated guesses.
I'll get it updated soon. I've been sick (danged flu) lately. Ah I love spring. -- Zalasur 03:54, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)
I kinda like new updates to discussion pages to be at the top. I have no idea why Wiki likes them at the bottom. Just my preference. :)
Anyways I'm fixing up the article by including new references. I merged Timeline of cosmological eras to Timeline of the Universe on request. I copied over as much data as possible and padded it out a bit. Then, I uncerimoniously redicted the whole page over. C'est la vie. No one updated it in a while so I'll just, um, move it over. ahem.
More references are a'coming. Going to merge from other articles on similar subjects and coordinate with more detailed subjects like Timeline of the Big Bang. Taking a look at the article shows me that the two have a lot of overlapping data. Oh well, moore research is required...
Anyways I'm now going to mop up formatting issues. It's getting more readable now. When I get the initial comments on peer review I'll see about getting a fresh review and then pushing for featured article status. It might take a month.
-- Zalasur 00:31, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC) (I hate forgetting the four tildes)
There are several reasons for nominating this one for peer review. I'd like this article to get "Featured Article" status (mostly to help blow my ego to unimaginable proportions). But, it needs work:
The article has been dead for a while and needed some desperate overhauling, and no one's raised any objections yet. But also, no one's made any comments either. Come on, help a guy out! :)
Send me your thoughts, whatever they are.
-- Zalasur 17:38, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
I've been working for the last couple of days on expanding this article, and would like to see what anyone else thinks of it. Does it flow well? Is there anything else that could be mentioned? Any comments much appreciated. Worldtraveller 14:42, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I am in something of a discpute with users User:Viriditas and User:Jayjg over the use of the terms 'drug use' and 'drug abuse'. I maintain that 'drug use' is a statement of fact that someone used a drug, and that 'drug abuse' is the opinion of someone that that use was 'abusive' (whatever they define that to be). Can anyone weigh in on this please? Thank you - Guttlekraw 00:17, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I am in something of a discpute with users User:Viriditas and User:Jayjg over the use of the terms 'drug use' and 'drug abuse'. I maintain that 'drug use' is a statement of fact that someone used a drug, and that 'drug abuse' is the opinion of someone that that use was 'abusive' (whatever they define that to be). Can anyone weigh in on this please? Thank you - Guttlekraw 00:18, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Peer review/Sex education
It's an important subject, but the style needs work, the facts need checking, and sources need to be added. It just emerged from a nasty edit war, and it needs your help. I'd like to get this to featured article status ASAP. Thanks, Dave 15:15, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
:::The problem is that it's not controversial to anyone but him. Is this better?
Libertarianism
Dave 03:18, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
This article is getting there. Does anyone have any advice? Dave 04:19, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
*The disambiguation grafs at the beginning are indeed off-putting. But short of moving this to a new title, something like
Libertarianism (American political philosophy) and making
Libertarianism a redirect page, they're a necessary evil. I'm going to print this out and make a closer study, but from what I've seen I applaud the contributors to this article. It appears from my cursory examination to be thorough and complete. It includes both supporters' and critics' views, bristles with links to additional articles, and even has pictures. Good work. One serious omission, one which will be raised should it go to
WP:FAC, is the absence of a bibliography. Yes, you do cite on-line material, but it really does need citations to printed sources as well. But on the substance: bravo.
PedanticallySpeaking 20:35, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
Yay. Thanks for the good advice. I'll start on the bibliography when I have time. Anyone else have any ideas?
Dave 21:55, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
I've added a bibliography, shortened the article, spun off sections, shortened the disambiguation at the beginning... Any more advice? Please?
Dave
(talk)
Self-nomination, sort of. I recently split off a lot of the information into other articles, with the intent being that this is a general summary of the system. As such, I'm not sure that it needs references - it summarizes the other articles, which themselves have (or should have) references. -- SPUI ( talk) 09:09, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Looks fairly good to me. I expanded lead, added a few references and photos, balanced sections and I would like to hear your opinions if this is FAC ready. One thing bothers me though: isn't this article really about the History of science fiction on television? There is almost nothing regarding the technology, the economy, etc. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:38, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
A good article overall, I corrected a few typos and gramamtical errors but nothing major. Some aspects to your treatment I would give further consideration:
-- Lordkinbote 17:58, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The article has been through Peer Review previously, and was subsequently a failed FAC. All points have been addressed now, POV removed, heavily copyedited. Comments please! -- PopUpPirate 17:54, May 7, 2005 (UTC)
Archive from previous Peer Review :
This page has been edited and re-edited so many times, it's refining itself into a great page, maybe it needs someone to Be Bold, maybe it's almost there. There's so much more that could be added, review would be so helpful at the moment to apply for FA. Thanks. -- PopUpPirate 23:41, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
This recently received "good article" designation with a comment that it was close to FA quality. The December peer review stressed a need for citations. The article now has 50 footnotes, which is more than most biography FAs. What would take it to the next level?
Durova 02:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC) 67 footnotes - I've been busy.
Durova
06:06, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Try to use a more complicated sentence structure in some places to tie related sentences together. The current writing is very "basic" in that all sentences are very simple. For instance: "By the beginning of 1429 nearly all of the north and some parts of the southwest were under foreign control. The English ruled Paris and the Burgundians ruled Rheims. The latter was important as the traditional site of French coronations." could have a little more "flow" if it were condensed into two or even one sentence. Also this is another "dangler" since "north and some parts of the southwest" is used as a noun but these are really adjectives (does this mean "north and some parts of the southwest of France"?). — jdorje ( talk) 05:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I think in terms of facts, sequence, references and illustrations - it has everything. I think all it needs is to be edited so that it acquires a "more complicated sentence structure" as Jdorje commented. I find a good technique for detecting whether the flow is right or not, is to read it out loud. If that's not possible, at the very least read it paragraph by paragraph rather than sentence by sentence, in the same way you would if reading it aloud, rather than skimming through it. Whatever does not flow will become more prominent and easy to spot. I think the whole article would benefit from this approach because the short sentences occur throughout and give it a stilted style, but I don't think the "fix" is big. I think everything is there and just needs to be sewn together. I'm not sure how much time I'll have over the next few days but I'll try to help when I can. cheers. Rossrs 09:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest, simply for the sake of being more precise, that the reference to her home village being at Domrémy be modified to read, Domrémy-la-Pucelle. There are actually several other villages in NE France which begin with the name of Domrémy (Domrémy-Landéville, Domrémy-aux-Bois and Domrémy-la-Canne, to name three), though perhaps back in the year 1421, there may have only been one village called Domrémy. Jeanne d'Arc's home can be found in Domrémy-la-Pucelle at 48°26'31.88"N 5°40'28.27"E, using Google Earth's GPS coordinates. Canuck55 ( talk) 03:12, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
This is really a request for references: this article look pretty good to me, and I would send it to WP:FAC, but it needs references. Any peer review comments are also welcome, of course. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:35, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Having just read through the article, I think it's an excellently concise treatment of a pretty enormous subject. A few points occur to me:
As far as references go I've only read the James book. I think it broadly supports the contents of the article, although he makes a stronger distinction between the American-based 'first' empire and later 'second' empire. Worldtraveller 15:19, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I did not see this discussion thread back in March. I wrote the bulk of the text in this article a couple of years ago (though there have been many changes since then, especially the images), so I can draft a list of references and reading materials, if people are still interested. 172 | Talk 00:49, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
I wrote virtually all the text myself, thus input from others is particularly important. I think it is factually accurate and complete, and been supplied with some very nice photos. I think it would make a great featured article. thanks for your criticisms Bluemoose 14:49, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've done a lot of work on this article recently, and I'd like comments on the progress and what it needs to get closer to FA level. Thanks. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 01:17, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Started this article today. Complete account, full bibliography. But needs more eyes to look it over. PedanticallySpeaking 18:06, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
This is an old and very comprehensive article on an important topic that could benefit from the input of the larger community. For example, does it become clear quickly what the normal distribution is and why it is important? How interesting is it for a general audience? Would it be better with more examples? Or with less discussion of its applications to IQ testing? Does it need illustrations of definite integrals familiar from textbooks, showing e.g. the area under a standard normal pdf between −2 and +2? Thanks, everyone. -- MarkSweep 05:55, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Things I don't like/think needs improvement/comments/whatever/etc.:
That's all I got at the moment. Cburnett 08:47, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It becomes clear that the norm dist is a prob dist, but chances are if you know what a prob dist is, you'll know what a norm dist is. Perhaps there is no interest in explaining it to a less-informed general audience (I don't always do it), but as it is now, I'll be surprised if anyone who hasn't taken at least an intro to stats course will understand anything, even the most basic sections. There is no explanation about the shape of the curve, or how the scores are distributed around the mean, or anything along those lines that could help someone understand. What are the axes in your graphs, especially the probability? For instance, if the IQ standard curve has a mean of 100 and a stddev of 15, does that mean a newborn has a 50% chance of having (or developing, when he becomes adult) an IQ between 90 and 110, or does it just mean that 50% of people who've had their IQ tested scored between 90 and 110? Considering that Bell curve redirects to here, there should be something more simple, because it's not uncommon to hear that term in early high school. I think the IQ section is long, but it explains the topic very well. Unless someone wants to spin-off a new article, I wouldn't touch it. Re: the length of appendages in biological organisms, what is the sample? Is it from the same individual or across a population? The lengths of my fingernails or my 5 o'clock shadow doesn't seem like it would fit a normal distribution. The blood pressure example is a bit weird. The previous paragraph describes a lognormal distribution, then the BP is normal, and back again to lognormal. If I didn't know any better, I'd assume there was a misprint and that the BP was lognormal. The figures should be named and referred to by their number (ie: Fig. 3). Things like "plot to the right/left/above/below" is really bad. Abbreviations used should be defined somewhere, such as 'pdf' and 'cdf'. It doesn't take a Harvard education to figure out what they are but it should still be done. Hope this helps. -- jag123 10:45, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There is a common but nevertheless serious error in the estimate of the variance. When the variance of a population needs to be estimated using only a sample of the entire population then one should not estimate the variance as
since this equation underestimates the true variance. An unbiased estimate for the variance is
The proof that is given of the former equation is wrong. You cannot set in the derivation since it is only an estimate. I haven't been able to find a alternative proof on the web and my statistics book is at a different location. See http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath497.htm http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Variance.html http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/statfaq/95varqn.html for additional info. Jan van Male 17:50, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The article does not presently answer one key question: Why do so many phenonena result in normal distributions? Why this particular equation? The closest that the article appears to come to addressing this is, "While the underlying causes of these phenomena are often unknown, the use of the normal distribution can be theoretically justified in situations where many small effects are added together into a score or variable that can be observed." Does anyone know?-- J-Wiki 13:14, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I looked for an article on this topic for a quick review of applicability to body size distributions (ht, wt, bmi, etc)-- see the CDC growth curves and found this article disappointing as an overview of the issue. For example, I was looking for the rough conversions of SD to percentiles and found no info on this fairly widespread and common practical application of this concept. Second, there is an unclear suggestion that biological measurements usually do not follow a normal distribution, but many aspects of medical practice use this concept. An explanation of the discrepancy should be included in that section, or perhaps this part of the article is simply wrong-- is this an example of the distribution not meeting the Platonic ideal of a statistician yet being so close that it is useful for clinical work? I found much better and clearer examples of what I wanted with a quick google search elsewhere. alteripse 01:18, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sorry I am dense (or statistically naive) but I don't understand your explanation at all, even enough to argue about it. Is it possible to provide a clearer explanation for the article? I suspect something is wrong with your argument but don't have the statistical knowledge to recognize the problem. alteripse 14:40, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Honestly, if you can't state your question I can't answer it, but somehow I don't think statistics is the problem - I think the problem is geometrical. All I have to say is, check out the book I mention from a library, read the introduction and look at the diagrams. You might also want to google the title and/or author: there are lots of references to it. There is also a wealth of modern paleontological work in which the logarithm of sizes of bones is taken before any further analysis. That is, the working assumption is lognormality. — Miguel 17:44, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)
All right, my question could be made clearer, but don't be condescending-- if you don't understand what I am describing it may be your lacuna, not mine. Here are some examples.
So, most of the world uses SDs, z-scores, and percentiles to express height distribution and I am having difficulty reconciling this with your assertion that ht and many other biological variables do not follow a normal distribution. Again, are you simply claiming that the distribution is close but not exactly normal, (like an astronomer arguing that the earth is not spherical, just really close)? If so, I think you are nitpicking or being deliberately obtuse. I usually assume if I can't explain something to someone it is likely because I don't understand it thoroughly enough myself. Can you explain your assertions to me? Do you still not understand this issue? To me, this is an enormous hole in this article, which I suspect is largely unintelligible to 99.9% of college-educated adults. I think it should be explicitly addressed in our article. alteripse 12:53, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the above. I won't argue that my statistical expertise is rudimentary on a good day although I took an intro course many years ago and wrote a spreadsheet program to do SD and SEM computations for lab data in the days before VisiCalc and Lotus. The problem with these articles is that they appear to be concise aides de memoire for people who already understand the subject matter, so that they are better suited to a Handbook of Statistics than an encyclopedia. For example, it would nice if the lognormal article had an illustration of the difference between a normal and a lognormal distribution. It might have saved all these words. I didn't know we had a lognormal article until you pointed it out, but sadly I am still little more knowledgeable after reading it. These articles do serve the purpose of making me wonder if some of the articles I have contributed suffer from the same flaw of being a nice synopsis for those who already know the material but insufficiently clear and explanatory for a reader who doesn't. We might all learn from this example of what an encyclopedia isn't. alteripse 14:39, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article is on an important, encyclopedic topic; it's very nicely illustrated; I think it could easily become a main-page featured article ... but it does need some references and a little more recent history of the structure. -- FOo 01:18, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It has been suggested on the article's talk page that it is ready for FAC. I still want to expand it with a few more historical details, but I think that the structure/references/lead and such are good enough for FAC. Still, I'd appreciate your comments first - would you change anything? Or like to see more details on something? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article is ready for FA status. Please make any changes you deem important so that it can go to this vote. Denni ☯ 22:08, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)
Denni, I noticed that the article is not appearing properly on the main
Wikipedia:Peer review page, did something get messed up, or was it archived? Could explain why there haven't been any other comments. I could really use some help to flesh out the trial section. I am still working on the North-West Rebellion section, but I'm running out of steam.
Fawcett5 20:55, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am resubmitting this for review; see the Wikipedia:Peer review/Decapolis/archive1. I have been the main contributor, but I believe that it may be ready to be a FAC. Any thoughts or suggestions? Fishal 03:40, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Even though we have permission to use it? (The URL has to stay because we don't have permission to alter it). Fishal 19:17, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Now that the image is fixed, are there any other problems with the article that should be addressed? Fishal 03:22, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The article is very clear, with lots of pictures and text. All of the requirements for a FA are there, and I think that Gerald Farinas and others have done a great job. It covers the entire ceremony, which is probably going to be a real important historical event. Bratsche talk random 21:07, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
I am astonished at the breadth and depth of this article, written so quickly after the actual event. Only the internet community and the Wikipedia editing process could create something, as beautifully composed as this article, in so short a time. Thank you all of you.
Having the whole homily here is likely a bad idea. That is what Wikisource is for. An abridged summary along with background would be better. Also, where are the inline citations? An FA requirement is to use them appropriately. None is not appropriate, IMO. They should be used after every quote and after every fact that will likely be disputable. Not having any makes confirming the information in an article this size needlessly difficult. --
mav 16:21, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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This revised article has been extensively reworked and reviewed prior to posting (reviewers include a PhD in Construction Science who teaches Building Technology and a PhD in History who teaches California Studies). Preparation prior to posting included enhancement of 21 existing sub-articles and the creation of 6 new sub-articles.
I'm mostly looking for comments regarding readability at this point (I'm 99% sure there are no typos) and suggestions for additional Wiki links, if any (not red ones, though!). The article is 32 kilobytes long at this point but much of that is the result of the photos and the two lists at the end of the article.
-- Lordkinbote 17:11, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Myself and alot of other users have been working hard to improve the article from its previous state, mostly adding sources and rewording already written material. However, I am confused; what can be done now to the article? Any comments and constructive criticism are welcome. Kind regards, Sebi [ talk 09:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
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I think it's overall a thorough, well done article, but strangely there seems to not be a specific description of musical style, tonality, composition and production techniques, etc. For comparison, look at the descriptions of musical techniques in the articles on Pink Floyd and Nine Inch Nails. I also wonder if you'd like to include some comments about the band's role in the "Sunset Strip scene/hair band genre" trends. VisitorTalk 06:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
This article has gone through a previous round of peer review and several failed FACs. After attempting to address several issues relating to the previous FACs, I am wondering if there is anything that has to be done with this article so that it will succeed FAC if it were nominated again. Pentawing Talk 01:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Nicely done, a bit long though, some sections like sports can be made a bit shorter. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 22:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
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I am considering self-nominating this piece for featured article status - I know there is already a Quatermass serial in featured articles, but there are many other examples of lots featured articles on similar subjects, so I didn't see the harm in giving this one a go. Therefore here it is on peer review so I can get some feedback on improving it before I submit it to the FAC page. Angmering 23:03, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There haven't been many archaeology Featured articles and I think Stonehenge could make it. I'd especially appreciate feedback on the modern significance of the monument as things like the Poltantric Circle are beyond me. adamsan 17:48, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There's a lot in the line of biased jargon in the, *ahem*, attempt at a justifcation for American military spending. For example, the need to "project power globally". What does that entail, other than alliteration and presumably machismo? It's the sort of meaningless buzzword employed at certain recent press conferences. My own political biases aside, it reads like a PoV-heavy, not-well-written defense from the statistics presented in the top section of the article, a section which used to appear in another article (full disclosure: I wrote that section) but was apparently moved to its current location for the purposes of the ensuing screed. Aratuk 11:10, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A good and comprehensive article on a very important subject (yes, I am a tad biased by my interests). It seems like most of the information is both factual and comprehensive. In my opinion, the article does a very good job of describing the complexity involved in classifying Chinese as a single languge and still thoroughly explaining why Chinese still is perceived as being just one language.
The pictures are good even though I'm sure a few more might fit in. I'm still hesitant if any pronunciation files should be added. but I'm hoping for comments on that one. Peter Isotalo 01:19, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
Very nice article. But I'm here to be critical of it, so here you go:
That'll be it for now. I've learned a lot of new things by reading this! — mark ✎ 14:11, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Recently, Umofomia expanded the phonology section and graced the article with an extensive morphology section. I have a few comments.
Resubmitting this for peer review since it has undergone some cleanup and now contains several nice images. I'm hoping to get this up to FAC quality. The archive of my last request can be found at Wikipedia:Peer review/Oakland Cemetery/archive1. -- uberpenguin 19:09, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)
This was the first article I ever wrote on Wikipedia, and coming back to it I think I'd quite like to shape it up into a featured article. I volunteer at Craftsman Farms on the weekends, so this makes it easy for me to find extra info but might also be skewing the focus of the article unfairly. If anyone has any ideas about what directions I should be going in, that would be great. Thanks! Philthecow 21:11, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
I don't really know where to go with this article, but I'd like to boost it up to featured status. Any advice would be welcome, jguk 20:50, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
What's the article need now? I think I've addressed the concerns from the previous PRs. -- Zanimum 17:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 18mm, use 18 mm, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 18 mm.Not exactly the most important element there is, nor is there much to say about it. But I think my recent expansion has moved it significantly toward FA quality. So, what else needs to be done to get it there? -- mav 00:25, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've recently done an extensive rewrite, moving sections around, rephrasing the lead and making a clearer distinction between artifical and natural mummies, adding pics, refs and ext. links and most of all a description of the Egyptian mummification process. I know it's not finished or feature-able yet, but I'd like some opionions on what still needs to be included. I'd specifically like opinions on whether I should include a short section on a few of the listed mummies linking to their main article above it. -- Mgm| (talk) 15:19, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
Cheers! Mgm| (talk) 11:25, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
I have already submitted this matter for arbitration. Thank you for your message here. SummerFR 18:04, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article has had many recent updates by a new user, and has potential for featured article status, but is in need of some NPOV editing by someone familiar with Jeb Bush. In addition, there are disputes over many of the pictures used in the article, which appear to have been lifted from the state of Florida's website and do not have copyright tags on them. I have tried to address my concerns on the talk page and through contacting other users individually, but it has started to descend into an open dispute between myself and SummerFR in spite of all of my efforts to work together. I hope that by listing it on peer review some other users could help get this article to be both accurate and neutral, as well as helping with the photo issues.-- BaronLarf 01:43, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
I have been harassed nonstop for the one week I have been here because of my attempt -- repeat: ATTEMPT -- to make my contributions to this article. The person above has repeatedly made false accusations against me as discussed on the discussion page for this article. He or she is apparently so concerned that Jeb Bush might get credit for one of his many achievements that the above USER is driving me crazy -- following me around, counting my edits and announcing the number when he posts on the article, constantly deleting photos and reverting my work, failing to answer my questions, and ignoring my responses to his questions, and ignoring an email from myflorida.com that he pestered me for under threat of action against me. This is not a "neutral" concern as he claims for "peer review." What he or she has done is called blantant harassment, and it is continuous and persistant against me.
I have never been as harassed as badly anywhere online as I have been on this site and I am familiar with many web site forums from all sides of the political aisle. The liberals at this site who hate Jeb Bush are really ruining this site for the people who want to learn about him. I am not doing any more work on this article for a week at least since my contributions are constantly destroyed for no reason. I am hoping to get rid of a migraine headache brought on by the above poster and others including a poster named JEZ. I appreciate the one wiki administrator who restored text to this article, MATINI2005, however no administrator is any match for the nonstop harassment by the above poster, BaronLarf. SummerFR 03:14, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
"Peer Review" is for completed articles being nominated for an award and honor as "feature article." Since the JEB article is not finished, and since you are certainly not trying to honor it, this matter of your harassment against me really belongs in the forum I said, called arbitration. As you know so much about wikipedia, feel free to start the correct process. It is not "peer review." SummerFR 03:26, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
By the way, still waiting for your acknowledgement of Alia Farej, Gov Bush's spokesperson, and her email re the photo copyrights, and I posted that email and pointed it out to you repeatedly on the article discussion page. Yet, here, again, you are pretending no such email exists when it does, and it is posted. SummerFR 03:29, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC
From: "Faraj, Alia" [her myflorida.com email address deleted] To: [SummerFR] CC: [myflorida.com and Gov Bush] Subject: FW: Permission request to use myflorida.com phhotos on wiki entry about you Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:49:34 -0400
Hello [SummerFR],
I am checking with the appropriate people at MyFlorida and will get back in touch with you as soon as I get a response. Thank you very much for checking with us.
Sincerely,
Alia
________________________________
Original Message-----
From: [SummerFR] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:12 PM To: Jeb Bush Subject: Permission request to use myflorida.com photos on wiki entry about you
Dear Gov Bush,
Is it OK with you that I post photos from myflorida.com in a wikipedia entry I am writing about you?
If there is someone else I need to contact, kindly let me know.
Below is a request I received from wiki, and my reply. I will be sharing
your reply here with wiki.
Thanks for your help.
Sincerely, [my real name deleted here in post on wiki page for Jeb discussion] aka SummerFR on wikipedia.com)
Nice of you to NOW mention "FEATURE ARTICLE STATUS" in YOUR NEW EDIT of your message, after I MENTIONED IT FIRST AND HAD TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU JUST NOW ON THIS PAGE. SummerFR 03:47, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The consensus on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/LinuxQuestions.org is currently for a Keep and Expand, so I'd like someone knowledgeable on the subject to do so. Master Thief Garrett 22:20, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It is a pretty good article but was rejected from being a featured article. -- Tony Jin | (talk) 00:39, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
This was the first article I wrote for Wikipedia when I first got on last year. I've just rewritten most of it and expanded the information as well as adding links and references. I'm considering nominating this for FA, but having spent time on the FAC board, I know they are sharks. What should be improved? Thanks! Ganymead 07:05, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Well, we've had two peer reviews, a couple of major blowouts, mediation, some RFC's, and a massive rewrite. Personally, I think this version is pretty good, but I've been working on it for some time now. Please note that the article is still listed as in mediation, as a controversial topic, and that this has been a problematic article. Comments and suggestions are appreciated. FuelWagon 23:33, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback so far. I would just say in response to the idea of cutting the article: sure. except as soon as you cut out one accusation of witchcraft, someone will cry bias. Motions and affidavits of the most absurd accusations and assertions were filed and the court found most of them to be utterly without basis. But if you cut one affidavit, someone will howl that we left out so-and-so's accusations that Michael practiced statanic rituals on Terri, drank her blood, and danced on her grave, and therefore say the article is biased. They'll put the accusation back in, and it will get reverted, an edit war will flare up, and the only stable solution we've managed to reach is to describe so-and-so's accusations and then give a full account of how the court viewed them, what the guardian ad litems said contrary to them, and so on. The end result, of course, being an 80k article. If there's a way to shorten the article, that won't get reverted by those who wish to list every accusation of witchcraft against Michael, the only idea I canthink of is to break the 80k article into some sub articles. I'm not sure how, but I think if you just delete something, you'll see someone eventually put it back in, only they'll put in one POV versus all the different POV's. suggestions for how to cut it into subarticles would be appreciated. FuelWagon 06:29, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
This is way too long and way beyond the scope of Wikipedia. I think just the first 2 paragrphs, plus a little summing up statement of its significance should suffice. There is no need to list EVERY doctor, EVERY diagnosis, EVERY school she attended, etc. While this topic is obviously important to those close to the person, it gets a disproportionate amount of attention relative to other articles, and there is really very little in it that would interest a general public. What is needed here is some perspective. For example, the article on George Washington is less than half the size of this article. Is there really twice as much to say about Terri Schiavo than about George Washington that would actually interest a general public? This is not the forum to dispute issues, rather it is the place to put things into their proper perspective and to show how they fit with other aspects of knowledge. What is the historical significance of this case? Why should we remember it in 20 years? What does it tell us about the United States in 2005? Nrets 17:38, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
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It's good as it is now, but it's really a bit short. However, I've pretty much run out of stuff from the listed references (and Reyburn's book is, as stated in the text, more of an anti-reference). Ideas or further references I failed to trip over would be most welcome. I suppose I should go out and take a pic of a Thomas Crapper manhole cover ... - David Gerard 10:27, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There is so much in this article that you'll want to read it just to quench your thirst for knowledge (you're working on an encyclopedia after all). If you're done reading, take five minutes to report your findings here and tell what it needs to become a Featured Article! — mark ✎ 01:50, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Some suggestions: images should be there if your goal is to make it a FA. I don't like the misuse of the TOC with the use of excess sections. I can point you to Sikkim which is also a state/province of FA status. Your infobox has no margins and the text almost wraps into the box. The article should be shortened and the detail moved to main articles -- rationale: since it is a geographic article which contains discrete topics, a summary of the salient points should be highlighted instead of long narrative topics. = Nichalp ( talk · contribs)= 19:53, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
This article deals with a tumultuous electoral fiasco which has caused serious reverberations throughout the political structure of the state of Washington. While the final resolution to the entire topic is not completed, currently in litigation, the political situation in Washington is otherwise quite stable, with Gov. Christine Gregoire having actively served as governor for two months as of tomorrow.
It was nominated for FAC in early Feb, but was closely rejected for a variety of vague reasons. I would say that all of the actionable objections to the article's candidacy have been addressed, with the exception of some people's objections that an article can not be high quality if the world has not yet been polite enough to finish turning and bring its topic to complete closure. </rant>
Anyway, before proposing a renom, I am looking for more outside input.
TIA, Keith D. Tyler ¶ [ AMA] 03:28, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
I wrote the article, and I'd like to put it on FAC soon. The description section is nearly done; the history section I plan to expand later. Questions? Comments? Neutrality talk 02:43, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
I recently did a complete rewrite of the article after the original article was marked as a copyvio; I think my rewrite approaches Featured Article quality, but I'd like some other people to look over it. I'm a bit unsure about the large proportion of possible interpretations (which are necessarily conjectural) as opposed to the relatively small amount of hard facts, but that seems to be necessitated by the article's topic. There are also some points that might need fact-checking by someone really well informed about early Norwegian history (my main reference work dates from 1996, and there seems to be an ongoing debate on the dating of lots of the carvings - different online sources date the most recent carvings as far apart as 500 BC and 500 AD). There's also an ugly redlink to Komsa I would like ot get rid of - I could probably create a good stub about the Komsa culture, but I'm not an expert in that field, so I'd really appreciate some input there -- Ferkelparade π 10:07, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I finally resolved the copyvio situation, the article now resides at its proper title. If nobody has any more suggestions for improvement of the article, I'll move on to FAC...thanks to everyone for your input! -- Ferkelparade π 08:27, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Do not worry too much about the title of this one; it is slowly outgrowing its original status as a lacklustre list. However I would be really grateful of where to go next - where to get more information from etc. Resources for non-English language films would be particularly useful. Comments on structure too please! It would be especially pleasing if this could be rounded out enough to become a FA. It would be the first FA to my knowledge to have survived VfD in its earliest days. Pcb21| Pete 15:16, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Recently this article saw a major improvement, and its starting to get close to what I think is FAC-able. Figured i'd run it through PR to get some critiquing.
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I've wrote pretty much the whole thing and am now working on History of the Grand Canyon area offline. I'd like to put this through FAC. So far I plan to expand the lead section a bit and add photos. What else can be done to make this article a good FAC? -- mav 02:51, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This is another of my geographic articles. I've closely followed all conventions including the footnotes as suggested earlier. Its comprehensive, has some nice images, but I need a copyedit (as usual) and some critique. = Nichalp ( talk · contribs)= 19:36, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
This failed as a GA article, so let's see how we can improve it. One thing was it mentioned citations. The problem is many of the places where citations are needed are not listed on the web, a lot are in liner notes of Ytse Jam albums, since that's where MUCH of the history of DT has been listed. I also edited all the one sentance paragraphs and combined them into others. Splent 01:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
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Helen Gandy was J. Edgar Hoover's secretary for 54 years. This article, proposed for deletion in February, has been completely overhauled. It is now longer than Hoover's entry and includes a thorough bibliography. PedanticallySpeaking 18:30, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
This is a self-nomination. I am requesting a peer review to prepare this document for Featured Article nomination. I was surprised to find little information on autostereograms in wikipedia when I was writing a program to produce Magic Eye pictures. So I promised myself to come back and significantly expand the existing Autostereogram article. As you probably know, wikipedia editing can be addictive. Before I knew, I had turned this article into a (hopefully) comprehensive review of autostereogram theories and a user-guide on techniques in 'seeing' these pictures. Fred Hsu 03:27, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
I am renominating this article because it has been totally rewritten since its last pear review and has almost no resemblance to the earlier version. It appears to be well written and of good quality. Zginder ( talk) 14:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
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Talk 01:45, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This article about hydrochloric acid is fairly complete, and covering the important aspects of the chemical. Before nominating it for Featured Article, I start out humbly by asking for a peer review first. Wim van Dorst 17:37, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
--- The research that I did for the biological section was mainly on Wikipedia, and all those sources are linked within the section. Many sources that I used for the rest of the article are documents that I retain from my previous job. As business internal documents, I cannot use them as reference. Where possible I referred to external links on website, and several relevant public sources. --- I renamed the 'in nature' to 'in biology', but I don't like that name either. I would like to have some more references to animal digestive stuff. Further recommendations? Renaming is a good recommendation, but into what? --- For a technical product brochure, I had my hands on some superb non-public domain, copyrighted picture material. Unfortunately it isn't combinable with wikipage publication. Now I'll have to find some other pictures. Sofar I put the Corrosive sign up, and a parchment picture of first discoverer Jabir. I had a dab at drawing a HCl molecule, but that did not turn out well enough for the wikipage. Anybody else better at doing this kind of thing (H white ball, r=1, and Cl green ball, r=4)? I'll be looking for a splash picture for the opening paragraph in the direction of one of the applications. Wim van Dorst 20:11, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)
Leather shoes Leather swimsuit Dessert made with gelatin Sorbets made with gelatin
I like that one best too, so that settles it: it is up! And I'll add some more elsewhere in the article. Note that I added the HCl schematic drawing (poor as it is) to the hydrogen chloride page, which tickled the next question: scope (see below). PS. Added an (unpublic) reference in the list too. Thanks for re-affirming the need for it. Wim van Dorst 16:57, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)
These pictures don't have beautiful models or desserts in them, but they may be helpful anyway. Are either of them useful for the page? I kept them small to save bandwidth but can make them bigger if needed. Sorry I couldn't line up the captions. We might need to add a little to the text if the ammonia one is used, by way of explanation- but this is a classic experiment, worth including. I agree that a titration would be nice, but I really don't have time to set that up right now (new baby any day now!). Also a lorry with a one tonne valic of HCl would be nice! Please let me know if there are other simple pix I could do in less than half an hour that might work better. I could do zinc or Al dissolving in HCl or something like that. Meanwhile I will try my hand at editing the chemistry section- I think it's all good stuff but it should be more concise. Walkerma 05:11, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm using the HCl-NH3 picture for the article
Ammonium, since that article already specifically mentions that reaction forming NH4Cl. I also would like to use the "HCl fumes on pH paper" picture for the
Hydrogen chloride article since it effectively shows hydrogen chloride is acidic.
H Padleckas 07:55, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi H, the buret acid titration is excellent for the chemistry section. So much so that I already put it up. How's that for support. And Hi Martin, I like the first 'here' (03) best. The glass jar is photogenic. Could you make a picture like this, with a dark background, from a lower viewpoint, i.e., more level to the label? Such a thing could perhaps be worthwhile for the opening paragraph. Wim van Dorst 22:24, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)
As requested, I have taken a picture "straight on" of a bottle of HCl (Hydrochloric_acid_05.jpg, on the right). Can this be used? If not, please feel free to edit the picture, or give me advice on what picture you would like. One problem we have is- let's face it- HCl isn't that photogenic! While I've been away the page has started to look really good, everyone...! Walkerma 23:06, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Martin, welcome back. I do like your picture, that is for sure! What if we move the yellow Corrosive sign down to the Safety section, and put this in the top op the table? Anybody comments? Wim van Dorst 22:06, 2005 Mar 23 (UTC)
Should the hydrogen chloride page be included in the hydrochloric acid page, or should it be kept as a separate page? Wim van Dorst 16:35, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC) (Note that the other way around is certainly wrong! WvD)
While I don't have strong feelings on the matter and defer to your judgement, I'd prefer keeping the articles separate and expanding the hydrogen chloride page with physical data, application and history information, all of which would be quite different from the information in the hydrochloric acid article. As long as each of the two articles links to the other one in the opening paragraph, I don't think readers will have a problem locating the information they are after; if all the information were combined in one article, it might become a bit overwhelming. Cheers, AxelBoldt 21:43, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I have improved hydrogen chloride from a stub to a reasonable article. On a side note: this hydrochloric acid article really needs a cleanup! There are several weasel terms, multiple wikilinks for the same article, and images that do not really have something to do with the topic. I am strongly against Gelatindessert.png at such a prominent place. The format of the data table is outdated. Maybe I will find the time to fix some of these. (Sig added later: Cacycle 22:26, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC))
Hi Cacycle, using strong words, I think it would be nice if you also sign the comment. And as this is the Peer Review request page, your improvement suggestions are appreciated, as is your work on the
hydrogen chloride page.
Sorry, forgot to sign. I will take care of the points from above tomorrow. Sorry when my comment sounded a bit harsh. The facts are great, but before nominating it for featured article the text needs some polishing and we need more appropriate pictures or illustrations. Cacycle 22:26, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
From the Talk page of Hydrochloric acid, I moved the following Questions to here:
-- jag123 22:10, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The fluoridation reaction is a chlorine replacing reaction. Typo in the formula, now corrected. And the household application that comes to mind is builders cleaner, to take care of mortar stains or so? I'm not detailed familiar with it. It is also bottled under the name of muriatic acid (fortunately low concentration) for unnamed household purposes. Please don't let them throw a dollop in the toilet after they cleaned it with bleach (sodium hypochlorite)... Wim van Dorst 22:42, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)
The images currently don't have captions; you only get to see the text if you "mouse over". I think it would be good to have the captions visible, and to move the gelatin picture further down to the applications section. As main picture, maybe a photo of a bottle with hydrochloric acid, carrying the common warning label? AxelBoldt 18:31, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
My opinion is that a Chemistry section is needed for this Hydrochloric acid article. I'm writing it now. I will add it when I'm finished. H Padleckas 21:33, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm essentially finished with the "Chemistry" section of this article. In case any reviewers think this Chemistry section is lengthy technical overkill for the average Wikipedia reader, I volunteer that the two sentences starting and ending with
are expendable. Deleting them would not likely cause a great loss to the overall understanding of the article. Also, some of the length comes from short explanations I put in trying to make this a once read-through section (to a practical extent) so the average Wikipedia reader would not have to constantly use links for an understanding of some fundamental terms. If I was writing this for professional chemists, some of those explanations would be omitted.
The data table for hydrochloric acid is significantly improved now after the last two or so edits.
I was planning to take some of the information on synthesis and/or production of hydrogen chloride for insertion into the
Hydrogen chloride article. As far as I'm concerned, that information can stay in both articles. I plan to put a data table in the Hydrogen chloride article which in many instances contains different data than the Hydrochloric acid article. That project is still in progress.
H Padleckas 16:21, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Wim van Dorst 22:10, 2005 Mar 15 (UTC)
Hi Padleckas, I like the titration picture proposal. Give the huge range of pH indicator and very nice colour changes they can give, this is a nice idea. It is a pity that it emphasizes the laboratory use which for the commercial market is negligible. And also for Cacycle, the 37% is a chemical standard only in the laboratory, and even then it is not THE standard: 36% and 38% are just as common for concentrated hydrochloric acid. And in the industrial 30% is the real big thing, hence my choice for that as the reference material for the table. So if you would insist on only one concentration, I would recommend 30% instead of 37%. But the important conclusion that I drew is not either/or: I think it not overkill but necessary to have more than one concentration. Apart from the properties that you mention, also vapour pressure, pH, and viscosity are highly dependent on the concentration. I therefore propose to add a table with chemical and physical properties for various concentrations: 5% 10% 20% 30% 32% 34% 36% and 38% seem reasonable. Perhaps also a 0% for reference? I'll work on this tomorrow or so. Wim van Dorst 00:17, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)
Is the specific heat capacity important for the table? If so we should elaborate on it. Boiling and melting points would be interesting values to add to the table. I also like the orange symbols on the italian article. Cacycle 13:30, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Saying HF is weak is not really accurate. It may not dissociate easily in water, but unlike the others HX, it's the only one that can etch glass. It's only weak in terms of dissociating in water, which doesn't really mean much.
This discussion should really be moved to the article's talk page, where it should have started to begin with. The peer review subpage is not the place to discuss everything but to alert people what needs to be looked at. -- jag123 14:52, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You're right in pointing out that the strong/weak acid text needed improvement: I changed it to better indicate which monoprotic acid is what. That HF can etch glass is true, but has nothing to do with its acid strength. I disagree that this discussion should be elsewhere: the directive on top of the Peer Review page clearly states that any comments are to be added to the specific section. You'd better be happy that there is this lively discussion about a page under Peer Review. Wim van Dorst 17:07, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)
I know etching of glass isn't a gauge of acid strength, but I still think characterizing HF as weak is misleading. The chemistry re: HF is pretty much unique, because of the high electronegativity and especially the entropy / ordering of water molecules around HF (which is really something like FHFHFH..., unlike the other HX). Weak/strong acids is purely a chemistry qualification. HF may not dissociate fully in water, but it'll dissociate if it comes into contact with other elements. People shouldn't assume that HF is weak, like vinegar (which many people do). HCl, on the other hand, is a strong acid, both in the chemistry and "practical" sense. Anyway, I've removed the last sentence, and I don't think it changes the article. On top of it, I had/have a problem with "common halogens". Astatine isn't common partly because it's useless; half-life of longest living isotope is 8 hours.
And yes, I am happy that there is peer reviewing on these types of articles. There needs to be more FA regarding science. -- jag123 13:22, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Jag123 (couldn't find your normal name), your final change to the text first took me by surprise, but after all I actually like it: the paragraph is more hydrochloric acid focussed as a result, and therefore I think also better. Good change. Perhaps you can do a little editing to pages such as strong acid and weak acid, where the arguments you bring forward will have a better acceptance. And at the rate of change the hydrochloric acid page is still being improved, it looks like it may never be stable enough for FA status :-). Wim van Dorst 16:43, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)
I'm glad you like my changes. I'm not trying to convert the world regarding weak/strong acids, but I just didn't think that sentence was important enough to the article to leave it in. I guess I keep thinking this will be eventually an FA and want to keep the average person in mind. Hopefully I don't pass off as being too anal, but this "HF is weak" thing is somewhat of a pet peeve of mine :) -- jag123 19:19, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Here is a German page with cool images: http://www.seilnacht.com/Chemie/ch_hcl.htm Unfortunately the images are copyrighted and it doesn't look as if we could convince the guy to put some of them under GPL or into PD. BTW, I have uploaded all orange hazard symbols to the Wikimedia Commons. Cacycle 20 Mar 2005
Yes, there are plenty of very nice pictures around, but then nearly always copyrighted. I saw that you uploaded the correct one to the approporiate place already: good idea. I was thinking about doing the same. Wim van Dorst 18:33, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)
Anyone know what the color of a common indicator that is used with HCl? It's really easy to change the color in titration picture, but I don't know which color is best. -- jag123 13:26, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi all, since February 12 the hydrochloric acid page has seen on average between five and ten smaller and (mostly) bigger changes on a daily basis. It is my humble opinion that most significant suggestions from the beginning (read up higher here) have either been implemented or else discussed out of the article. Some things have been found to be unachievable within this short timeframe such as eloquent pictures, but worthwhile other things have been added unexpectedly (at least for me) such as the Chemistry and the Chem Phys properties table. Obviously, the page won't ever be finished. Could we then suggest that we close the Peer Review and put the page up for Featured Article Candidate? Or are important things still missing, pictures still forthcoming RSN, battling discussions to be finalized? Wim van Dorst 19:59, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)
Indeed I now see the convergence stepping in over the whole article: good housekeeping has been done on biology, references and other sections; final (as if they are ever) text improvements are added; and the good toothcombing work is also being done now by Cacycle and Padleckas (thanks, others invited to participate of course). Overall, the additions are slowing down (or is it just Easter?), so I propose to move to FAC in a week from now. And remember that future additions, elaborations and other improvements remain possible, even as a FA. Wim van Dorst 10:25, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)
Different layout I've moved the history section above the chemistry section because the tables were one on top of the other on my end (1024x768, IE6). I also think it flows better, since the chemistry, production & application sections follow each other. If this looks worse than before for anyone, revert. -- jag123 01:24, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry it took me ( H Padleckas) several days to finish writing these explanatory comments up. My hopefully final review of the Hydrochloric acid article results in these comments:
It took me three read-throughs to catch the style error: you're eagle-eyed, Padleckas. Obviously, it is reworded now. Wim van Dorst 18:02, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC)
Yes, it certainly was clumsily worded. Wim van Dorst 18:02, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC)
Yes, indeed, there is very little information about the topic. I searched some more and did find some better references to the detailed techniques, although not to the generic term. I reworded the paragraph, removing the offending link, and inserted a few better ones. Wim van Dorst 18:23, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC)
Actually, as I understood it from extruders, whereas it chemically is rust, it is also named 'scale'. Your text change was therefore very good. Wim van Dorst 21:06, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC)
Excellent!!! I tried to find MDI/TDI information at the beginning of this editing spell, but didn't find any. Your change is spot-on! Wim van Dorst 21:06, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC)
Ok, guys (I believe no female participation sofar? Women invited, though): Changes have been structural to the discussion, there are no open issues at present, the article has been updated, enlarged, comprised, reduced, enhanced, elaborated, augmented, illustrated, completed, and improved. Thanks to you all! I'll now move it to the FAC page, to see what others think of it. Wim van Dorst 20:54, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
High five!! It's now a highly rated FEATURE ARTICLE! Congratulations to Wim van Dorst and all other contributors and reviewers. H Padleckas 08:35, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I would like to have this page copyedited. I've added all the info, I hope a trained eye can catch any quirks in the grammar before I upgrade it as an FAC. = Nichalp ( talk · contribs)= 20:25, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
I have certainly detected some flame-like controversy regarding the status of the Portuguese language in Goa. Some sanguinity is called for. As an involved lifetime resident of Portuguese-speaking Southeast New England, in America, I can safely say that Goa is rich as a city because of its role as the base of trade between South Asia, Portugal, Portuguese-speaking America, Macao and most importantly, Brasil. In other words, Portuguese is in no danger of being replaced by English in Goa. It has a massive economic role. It is almost as if this language controversy is a Fata Morgana insofar as nothing could possibly change the popularity of Portuguese in the Goa area. There is a lot of money involved. Wouldn't you, the average Wiki reader, make a serious attempt to learn Portuguese in order to become an import-export millionaire, working trading Indian goods to Europe and Brazil, if you were a citizen of India? Wouldn't you learn Portuguese to become an employee of such a company? At this point, Brazil has a population of almost 200 million people. To take a facetious tone, that's a lot of curry to sell and a lot of money to be made doing it. It would behoove one not to appear as if one is somehow blocking 'the road to riches,' as it were, here on the Goa pages. Wouldn't the average Anglo become irritated if their access to working in the computer industry, or working in New York City or London, were desubstantiated in the pages of an encylopedia? It really adds up to the same thing. To maintain neutrality one needs to look at the role of the English language in post-colonial Hong Kong to find a parallel to this situation. In particular, one should consider the role of the PRC goverment in its attempts to partially outlaw the use of English in business and in high schools when trying to write articles about Goa. There are obvious similarities between the two situations. There is a huge amount of money to be made in speaking Portuguese in Goa and Macao. Goa in effect functions as a 'funnel' for Indian-made export goods. Its function as 'funnel' extends not only to Brasil, et al, but also to the PRC through its sister city, Macao. The use of Portuguese is of course encouraged by the financial arms of the Indian goverment for this reason. People's jobs depend on it. As India, China, Brazil and the EU are involved in this trade, one could say that half the world's population is affected by Goans. I hope this Talk article can help solve the language controversy currently active in the Goa pages of Wikipedia. To take an obvious neutral perspective, it hurts to see people's livelihoods being effectively callously dismissed by seemingly ignorant Anglocentrics on the pages of the Wiki. I think this perceived callousness and ignorance is the reason for the emotion involved in the extant discussion. 'Portuguese Pride' is central to Portuguese culture and as such it should be a guiding light for anyone attempting to write about the Greater Portuguese community, much as one would normally respect America and the U.K. in writing about those places in places like Dallas Cowboys and The Prince's Trust. If anyone still has a question at this point, just consider the 2005 Per Capita Income of the city. At this level, it just can't be too difficult to understand. Thank you for reading.-- McDogm 21:13, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
This article was a former candidate for Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week and just barely missed getting the required vote. Since that time, however, it has gradually evolved into a fairly meaty article, and hopefully somewhat interesting. Is there anything that needs to be added, enhanced or cleaned up to turn it into a solid page? Thank you! RJH 20:30, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I appreciate the comments of the peer review, and have made a number of changes following those suggestions -- 209.247.222.103 21:04, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm working on getting a map of the grants or at least of the general area, but I would love comments on what needs polishing or expanding, what's not clear, and so on. It's a history of illegal land grants in colonial America which resulted in the creation of the state of Vermont. Thanks for looking at it! jengod 21:21, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
Apart from a lot small points and the question of style, all discussed on the talk page, the most problematic point at the moment is the section, which is sometimes titled "The Arab liberation of Egypt" and at other times "The Arab Invasion and Occupation of Egypt". -- Pjacobi 10:13, 2005 Mar 3 (UTC)
I am going to put this article for nomination. Can you mention where to improve? -- 202.40.210.174 02:57, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am fairly proud of this article after having done a lot of research, expansion, and copyediting to make it not only look good, but explain its topic well within appropriate contexts.
I'd like to see it be a suitable nominee for FAC. I am sure that my involvement in it limits my ability to assess its fitness with those requirements.
Should something be expanded? Reworded? Separated? Is more detail or information needed somewhere? Is there a glaringly omitted section? Is the list OK or does it need to be moved off?
Regards, Keith D. Tyler ¶ [ AMA] 23:59, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)
I'm nominating this article because I think it fills a void in Canadian aviation history. (Also, because I wrote it...). Although I feel that the subject is pretty well covered, I would appreciate feedback on any changes/additions/subtractions that people feel would improve the article.
Voodude 22:17, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Whilst this small prison isn't as famous as many others around the world, it still has a short but interesting history. Where should such an article like this go from here for improvement? -- Longhair | Talk 16:10, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This is the second time this article has been submitted to Peer Review. The first peer review request is located at Wikipedia:Peer review/Christina Aguilera/archive1. Since the previous request, the article has improved signifigantly, and I'm planning on seeing whether or not this is prime time for WP:FAC. -- LBMixPro (Speak on it!)
People knowledgeable in physics and engineering—particularly those familiar with the design of electric motors and the terminology used to describe them—please have a look at this article. This is a description of a claimed perpetual motion or "overunity" or "free energy" device. There is a slow-simmering discussion between two contributors on how it is described, and, in particular, whether it is appropriate to describe it as a form of "switched reluctance motor". One of the contributors is likely (I haven't actually asked him) the person whose 2001 design for a version of this motor has been disseminated on the Net. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:56, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Haven't worked on this in a while, it's fairly complete but needs some reading over. — Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 11:38, 2005 Mar 1 (UTC)
This is far too short for featured status, but I believe it is worthy of "1.0" status (it is sufficiently well-written, complete, etc to go into a stable release of Wikipedia). To be sure, I'd like it checked for typos and grammar by a native English speaker. Also, if there are any other Swedish speakers around, it would be great if someone could compare it against the primary source to make sure I didn't get anything wrong. Fredrik | talk 23:54, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This was the COTW in June 2004. I put it up on WP:FAC in December 2004 (here is its sub-page) but objections were raised about:
This is still one of the best ex-COTWs and I'd like to get it up to featured status: I don't think it is far off. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:25, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yes it looks pretty good overall. One sentence did catch my eye though: it began, "During this three-day..." and concerned the 2500yr celebration of the founding of the Persian Empire. But the sentence did not include a conclusion. — RJH 18:47, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It's looking quite good. I tightened up the intro paragraphs a bit, but they could still use a little more tweaking. They provide a good overview of events, but would benefit by being more concise. Also:
Aside from that, I'd say it's mostly a matter of polishing the style a bit and tightening up the narrative flow, and it'd be near-featured status. Nice work! -- Wapcaplet 20:02, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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If I may add about the last point (excuse me if this is not the right place to add), revolutions do not require a majority of the people's support. A majority of American people weren't beholden to Washington in 1776. A majority of the Russian people did not support Lenin's Bolsheviks in 1917. A majority of Ukrainians did not support Yukashenko in 2004. I seriously doubt a majority of the Iranian people supported Khomeini in 1979. All you need for a revolution is a sufficient mass number, which needs be nowhere near a majority. That part of the article almost certainly needs correction.
This was the COTW in January 2005. I think it is pretty good on its topic, although any expansion would be great, but it particularly needs some proper references. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:27, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I wrote this biography of an Ohio writer whose first novel has gotten glowing reviews everywhere. It has links and photos, has been catagorized, and has a bibliography. Any comments? PedanticallySpeaking 17:40, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Self-nomination. I've recently done a major expansion on this, and I feel it pretty solidly covers all the important stuff. -- SPUI ( talk) 14:14, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Created on 28 March, 2005 (and was just on DYK), I've written this article and included some images I made for it. I'm now at the point of not being able to think of anything else that could expand the information there. I might place this on WP:FAC (I know it's not the longest of articles) but would like some wider input first. Cheers. violet/riga (t) 21:05, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
After further expansions I'm now going to place this on WP:FAC – thanks to those that looked at the article. violet/riga (t) 18:23, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This was a former collaboration of the week article, during which it improved markedly. Still, lots of errors remained, and I've been working on it for the past two weeks to get it to an improved state (revising text parts, adding references and so on). I still think the article is a bit long and that there's room for improvement. I would like comments on where to shorten the article and on general ways of improving the thing and get it to the featured article status. -- Cugel 08:36, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)
I am looking at WP:FAC in a week's time, but I am hoping to get a second pair of eyes (or more) to see if the article can be improved. -- JuntungWu 14:46, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I was impressed by this article and nominated it as a featured candidate, but it clearly it is not to that standard yet. On the recommendation I received there, I am referring this article to peer review. It's pretty good, but it needs improvement. I'd love to see this reach featured standard. -- L33tminion | (talk) 17:02, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not interested in this becoming a FAC or anything, I'm just curious what areas need improvement so that I can both improve this article and achieve a higher standard for future articles. As of now I'm kind of in the dark with what I'm doing right or wrong and have never really got any guidance. I read a lot of the guides and everything but I think some real criticism would be of much value. I'm particularly insecure about the prose and the flow of it all; I think it might be boring or maybe a bit convoluted. I definitely cant see the forest for the trees on this one. -- Clngre 22:45, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)
This is (in my humble opinion, anyway) a rather interesting and important Supreme Court case that typically gets little notice. While most people are familiar with big name race-related rulings such as Brown v. Board, or Korematsu v. United States, smaller cases such as Oyama nonetheless serve as important precedents. I have tried to make the article as complete as I can, including details of the opinions as well as some historical information, but I am certain that I have inadvartently omitted some information. For example, California history is not my strong suit, so the section about California Alien Land Laws could probably be significantly expanded. Any takers? RidG (talk) 23:45, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to see if we could get this article up to featured article status. It started out of Did You Know, and has had contributions by a large number of Wikipedians. Any help would be appreciated, jguk 08:00, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Resubmitting this for peer review since it has undergone some cleanup and now contains several nice images. I'm hoping to get this up to FAC quality. The archive of my last request can be found at Wikipedia:Peer review/Oakland Cemetery/archive1. -- uberpenguin 19:09, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)
I've created Surreal humour, and I'm rather proud of it, but the style is a little different to the usual article. Hence I'm submitting it to peer review to check I haven't gone completely nuts. Maybe the herring is too much? Rls 02:56, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)
Very nice, overall. I would break it up slightly into parts (for example, famous users of surreal humour), examples of surreal humour (put your joke there to refer to it) and add a caption purporting that cow image to be a possible example of surreal humour. (And yes, while the herring looks very nice, it doesn't add much content. The cow photo is good enough, in my opinion.) Good luck! CryptoStorm 06:41, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It strikes me as a good start. You might want to add some references (Monty Python spring s to mind), and wikilinks to other forms of humour. WegianWarrior 08:46, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Just trying to see what others want to say, see what happens. -- User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 09:00, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The Kashmir Problem is an important international problem.However in discussions about Kashmir the view of Kashmiris which is in the Kashmiri language gets ignored.This article discusses a poem regarding the Kashmir Problem by the great Kashmiri Poet Mehjoor(1888-1952) which is a versification of a very important speech by the great Kashmiri leader Sheikh Mohammed Abdullah made in 1949 at the shrine of Hazratbal.An understanding of the character and views of Sheikh Abdullah is essential for any person who wants to understand the Kashmir problem in its proper perspective and this article is an attempt in that direction
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I originally wrote this article but would like to ask for help from professionals. I would appreciate any psycologist/psychiatrist, etc. to edit or improve or even totally rewrite the article( with insights , phsycological comments, etc). I feel that this article and the book( Waking the Tiger) is very relevant. Thanks. -- Jondel 01:12, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Resubmitting (Step no. 3) The book Waking the Tiger by Peter Levine (1997) has a respectable Amazon sales rank of 1409. Google has 179,000 hits when the key word 'book' was added. This book has dramatically helped others and I hope the article will eventually help those recovering from trauma as a book review.The article is now under Vfd. Any help would be highly appreciated.-- Jondel 05:13, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Like a lot of contributors, I came across a topic that I knew well, was underimpressed with the quality, and felt something of a duty to improve it. I put a lot of time into this, but I still do feel kind of uncertain of its quality. Just in general, I'd like somebody to go over it and tell me what I did wrong. I have the feeling that it maybe should cover certain topics more and others less, or that I didn't place enough importance on specific things. I was thinking about trying to add some audio clips of stuttering, although I'm not sure if that's appropriate. Any ideas or criticisms will be noted and appreciated. -- Clngre 02:46, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
I like the article a lot. I changed some minor things, and I found a few points that could be improved:
This needs SO much work it makes my eyes hurt to look at it. It should probably be split into several different lists due to its currently unwieldy size, not to mention that separate lists of "masts" and "towers" may be pointless anyway due to the overlap and question as to whether the term "mast" is even widespread. Also, the whole middle section of text should probably be in a separate article and needs major overhaul (cleanup, organization, wikification) in and of itself. I don't know where to start, somebody help! This is way out of my league. Junkyardprince | Tark 02:42, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I think this article is pretty complete and well organised and I'm considering FACing it (compare with Buckinghamshire which is already FA), just requesting the community's input re: anything missing, layout etc first. Joe D (t) 13:39, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
-- Spangineer ∞ 03:23, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
Just a minor point, somewhere I think it should be made clear that the electroweak transition represents the current limit of the physics we can experimentally verify using particle accelerators. Our ideas of what happens before that are at best educated guesses.
I'll get it updated soon. I've been sick (danged flu) lately. Ah I love spring. -- Zalasur 03:54, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)
I kinda like new updates to discussion pages to be at the top. I have no idea why Wiki likes them at the bottom. Just my preference. :)
Anyways I'm fixing up the article by including new references. I merged Timeline of cosmological eras to Timeline of the Universe on request. I copied over as much data as possible and padded it out a bit. Then, I uncerimoniously redicted the whole page over. C'est la vie. No one updated it in a while so I'll just, um, move it over. ahem.
More references are a'coming. Going to merge from other articles on similar subjects and coordinate with more detailed subjects like Timeline of the Big Bang. Taking a look at the article shows me that the two have a lot of overlapping data. Oh well, moore research is required...
Anyways I'm now going to mop up formatting issues. It's getting more readable now. When I get the initial comments on peer review I'll see about getting a fresh review and then pushing for featured article status. It might take a month.
-- Zalasur 00:31, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC) (I hate forgetting the four tildes)
There are several reasons for nominating this one for peer review. I'd like this article to get "Featured Article" status (mostly to help blow my ego to unimaginable proportions). But, it needs work:
The article has been dead for a while and needed some desperate overhauling, and no one's raised any objections yet. But also, no one's made any comments either. Come on, help a guy out! :)
Send me your thoughts, whatever they are.
-- Zalasur 17:38, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
I've been working for the last couple of days on expanding this article, and would like to see what anyone else thinks of it. Does it flow well? Is there anything else that could be mentioned? Any comments much appreciated. Worldtraveller 14:42, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I am in something of a discpute with users User:Viriditas and User:Jayjg over the use of the terms 'drug use' and 'drug abuse'. I maintain that 'drug use' is a statement of fact that someone used a drug, and that 'drug abuse' is the opinion of someone that that use was 'abusive' (whatever they define that to be). Can anyone weigh in on this please? Thank you - Guttlekraw 00:17, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I am in something of a discpute with users User:Viriditas and User:Jayjg over the use of the terms 'drug use' and 'drug abuse'. I maintain that 'drug use' is a statement of fact that someone used a drug, and that 'drug abuse' is the opinion of someone that that use was 'abusive' (whatever they define that to be). Can anyone weigh in on this please? Thank you - Guttlekraw 00:18, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Peer review/Sex education
It's an important subject, but the style needs work, the facts need checking, and sources need to be added. It just emerged from a nasty edit war, and it needs your help. I'd like to get this to featured article status ASAP. Thanks, Dave 15:15, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
:::The problem is that it's not controversial to anyone but him. Is this better?
Libertarianism
Dave 03:18, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
This article is getting there. Does anyone have any advice? Dave 04:19, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
*The disambiguation grafs at the beginning are indeed off-putting. But short of moving this to a new title, something like
Libertarianism (American political philosophy) and making
Libertarianism a redirect page, they're a necessary evil. I'm going to print this out and make a closer study, but from what I've seen I applaud the contributors to this article. It appears from my cursory examination to be thorough and complete. It includes both supporters' and critics' views, bristles with links to additional articles, and even has pictures. Good work. One serious omission, one which will be raised should it go to
WP:FAC, is the absence of a bibliography. Yes, you do cite on-line material, but it really does need citations to printed sources as well. But on the substance: bravo.
PedanticallySpeaking 20:35, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
Yay. Thanks for the good advice. I'll start on the bibliography when I have time. Anyone else have any ideas?
Dave 21:55, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
I've added a bibliography, shortened the article, spun off sections, shortened the disambiguation at the beginning... Any more advice? Please?
Dave
(talk)
Self-nomination, sort of. I recently split off a lot of the information into other articles, with the intent being that this is a general summary of the system. As such, I'm not sure that it needs references - it summarizes the other articles, which themselves have (or should have) references. -- SPUI ( talk) 09:09, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Looks fairly good to me. I expanded lead, added a few references and photos, balanced sections and I would like to hear your opinions if this is FAC ready. One thing bothers me though: isn't this article really about the History of science fiction on television? There is almost nothing regarding the technology, the economy, etc. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:38, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
A good article overall, I corrected a few typos and gramamtical errors but nothing major. Some aspects to your treatment I would give further consideration:
-- Lordkinbote 17:58, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The article has been through Peer Review previously, and was subsequently a failed FAC. All points have been addressed now, POV removed, heavily copyedited. Comments please! -- PopUpPirate 17:54, May 7, 2005 (UTC)
Archive from previous Peer Review :
This page has been edited and re-edited so many times, it's refining itself into a great page, maybe it needs someone to Be Bold, maybe it's almost there. There's so much more that could be added, review would be so helpful at the moment to apply for FA. Thanks. -- PopUpPirate 23:41, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
This recently received "good article" designation with a comment that it was close to FA quality. The December peer review stressed a need for citations. The article now has 50 footnotes, which is more than most biography FAs. What would take it to the next level?
Durova 02:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC) 67 footnotes - I've been busy.
Durova
06:06, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Try to use a more complicated sentence structure in some places to tie related sentences together. The current writing is very "basic" in that all sentences are very simple. For instance: "By the beginning of 1429 nearly all of the north and some parts of the southwest were under foreign control. The English ruled Paris and the Burgundians ruled Rheims. The latter was important as the traditional site of French coronations." could have a little more "flow" if it were condensed into two or even one sentence. Also this is another "dangler" since "north and some parts of the southwest" is used as a noun but these are really adjectives (does this mean "north and some parts of the southwest of France"?). — jdorje ( talk) 05:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I think in terms of facts, sequence, references and illustrations - it has everything. I think all it needs is to be edited so that it acquires a "more complicated sentence structure" as Jdorje commented. I find a good technique for detecting whether the flow is right or not, is to read it out loud. If that's not possible, at the very least read it paragraph by paragraph rather than sentence by sentence, in the same way you would if reading it aloud, rather than skimming through it. Whatever does not flow will become more prominent and easy to spot. I think the whole article would benefit from this approach because the short sentences occur throughout and give it a stilted style, but I don't think the "fix" is big. I think everything is there and just needs to be sewn together. I'm not sure how much time I'll have over the next few days but I'll try to help when I can. cheers. Rossrs 09:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest, simply for the sake of being more precise, that the reference to her home village being at Domrémy be modified to read, Domrémy-la-Pucelle. There are actually several other villages in NE France which begin with the name of Domrémy (Domrémy-Landéville, Domrémy-aux-Bois and Domrémy-la-Canne, to name three), though perhaps back in the year 1421, there may have only been one village called Domrémy. Jeanne d'Arc's home can be found in Domrémy-la-Pucelle at 48°26'31.88"N 5°40'28.27"E, using Google Earth's GPS coordinates. Canuck55 ( talk) 03:12, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
This is really a request for references: this article look pretty good to me, and I would send it to WP:FAC, but it needs references. Any peer review comments are also welcome, of course. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:35, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Having just read through the article, I think it's an excellently concise treatment of a pretty enormous subject. A few points occur to me:
As far as references go I've only read the James book. I think it broadly supports the contents of the article, although he makes a stronger distinction between the American-based 'first' empire and later 'second' empire. Worldtraveller 15:19, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I did not see this discussion thread back in March. I wrote the bulk of the text in this article a couple of years ago (though there have been many changes since then, especially the images), so I can draft a list of references and reading materials, if people are still interested. 172 | Talk 00:49, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
I wrote virtually all the text myself, thus input from others is particularly important. I think it is factually accurate and complete, and been supplied with some very nice photos. I think it would make a great featured article. thanks for your criticisms Bluemoose 14:49, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've done a lot of work on this article recently, and I'd like comments on the progress and what it needs to get closer to FA level. Thanks. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 01:17, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Started this article today. Complete account, full bibliography. But needs more eyes to look it over. PedanticallySpeaking 18:06, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
This is an old and very comprehensive article on an important topic that could benefit from the input of the larger community. For example, does it become clear quickly what the normal distribution is and why it is important? How interesting is it for a general audience? Would it be better with more examples? Or with less discussion of its applications to IQ testing? Does it need illustrations of definite integrals familiar from textbooks, showing e.g. the area under a standard normal pdf between −2 and +2? Thanks, everyone. -- MarkSweep 05:55, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Things I don't like/think needs improvement/comments/whatever/etc.:
That's all I got at the moment. Cburnett 08:47, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It becomes clear that the norm dist is a prob dist, but chances are if you know what a prob dist is, you'll know what a norm dist is. Perhaps there is no interest in explaining it to a less-informed general audience (I don't always do it), but as it is now, I'll be surprised if anyone who hasn't taken at least an intro to stats course will understand anything, even the most basic sections. There is no explanation about the shape of the curve, or how the scores are distributed around the mean, or anything along those lines that could help someone understand. What are the axes in your graphs, especially the probability? For instance, if the IQ standard curve has a mean of 100 and a stddev of 15, does that mean a newborn has a 50% chance of having (or developing, when he becomes adult) an IQ between 90 and 110, or does it just mean that 50% of people who've had their IQ tested scored between 90 and 110? Considering that Bell curve redirects to here, there should be something more simple, because it's not uncommon to hear that term in early high school. I think the IQ section is long, but it explains the topic very well. Unless someone wants to spin-off a new article, I wouldn't touch it. Re: the length of appendages in biological organisms, what is the sample? Is it from the same individual or across a population? The lengths of my fingernails or my 5 o'clock shadow doesn't seem like it would fit a normal distribution. The blood pressure example is a bit weird. The previous paragraph describes a lognormal distribution, then the BP is normal, and back again to lognormal. If I didn't know any better, I'd assume there was a misprint and that the BP was lognormal. The figures should be named and referred to by their number (ie: Fig. 3). Things like "plot to the right/left/above/below" is really bad. Abbreviations used should be defined somewhere, such as 'pdf' and 'cdf'. It doesn't take a Harvard education to figure out what they are but it should still be done. Hope this helps. -- jag123 10:45, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There is a common but nevertheless serious error in the estimate of the variance. When the variance of a population needs to be estimated using only a sample of the entire population then one should not estimate the variance as
since this equation underestimates the true variance. An unbiased estimate for the variance is
The proof that is given of the former equation is wrong. You cannot set in the derivation since it is only an estimate. I haven't been able to find a alternative proof on the web and my statistics book is at a different location. See http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath497.htm http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Variance.html http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/statfaq/95varqn.html for additional info. Jan van Male 17:50, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The article does not presently answer one key question: Why do so many phenonena result in normal distributions? Why this particular equation? The closest that the article appears to come to addressing this is, "While the underlying causes of these phenomena are often unknown, the use of the normal distribution can be theoretically justified in situations where many small effects are added together into a score or variable that can be observed." Does anyone know?-- J-Wiki 13:14, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I looked for an article on this topic for a quick review of applicability to body size distributions (ht, wt, bmi, etc)-- see the CDC growth curves and found this article disappointing as an overview of the issue. For example, I was looking for the rough conversions of SD to percentiles and found no info on this fairly widespread and common practical application of this concept. Second, there is an unclear suggestion that biological measurements usually do not follow a normal distribution, but many aspects of medical practice use this concept. An explanation of the discrepancy should be included in that section, or perhaps this part of the article is simply wrong-- is this an example of the distribution not meeting the Platonic ideal of a statistician yet being so close that it is useful for clinical work? I found much better and clearer examples of what I wanted with a quick google search elsewhere. alteripse 01:18, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sorry I am dense (or statistically naive) but I don't understand your explanation at all, even enough to argue about it. Is it possible to provide a clearer explanation for the article? I suspect something is wrong with your argument but don't have the statistical knowledge to recognize the problem. alteripse 14:40, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Honestly, if you can't state your question I can't answer it, but somehow I don't think statistics is the problem - I think the problem is geometrical. All I have to say is, check out the book I mention from a library, read the introduction and look at the diagrams. You might also want to google the title and/or author: there are lots of references to it. There is also a wealth of modern paleontological work in which the logarithm of sizes of bones is taken before any further analysis. That is, the working assumption is lognormality. — Miguel 17:44, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)
All right, my question could be made clearer, but don't be condescending-- if you don't understand what I am describing it may be your lacuna, not mine. Here are some examples.
So, most of the world uses SDs, z-scores, and percentiles to express height distribution and I am having difficulty reconciling this with your assertion that ht and many other biological variables do not follow a normal distribution. Again, are you simply claiming that the distribution is close but not exactly normal, (like an astronomer arguing that the earth is not spherical, just really close)? If so, I think you are nitpicking or being deliberately obtuse. I usually assume if I can't explain something to someone it is likely because I don't understand it thoroughly enough myself. Can you explain your assertions to me? Do you still not understand this issue? To me, this is an enormous hole in this article, which I suspect is largely unintelligible to 99.9% of college-educated adults. I think it should be explicitly addressed in our article. alteripse 12:53, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the above. I won't argue that my statistical expertise is rudimentary on a good day although I took an intro course many years ago and wrote a spreadsheet program to do SD and SEM computations for lab data in the days before VisiCalc and Lotus. The problem with these articles is that they appear to be concise aides de memoire for people who already understand the subject matter, so that they are better suited to a Handbook of Statistics than an encyclopedia. For example, it would nice if the lognormal article had an illustration of the difference between a normal and a lognormal distribution. It might have saved all these words. I didn't know we had a lognormal article until you pointed it out, but sadly I am still little more knowledgeable after reading it. These articles do serve the purpose of making me wonder if some of the articles I have contributed suffer from the same flaw of being a nice synopsis for those who already know the material but insufficiently clear and explanatory for a reader who doesn't. We might all learn from this example of what an encyclopedia isn't. alteripse 14:39, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article is on an important, encyclopedic topic; it's very nicely illustrated; I think it could easily become a main-page featured article ... but it does need some references and a little more recent history of the structure. -- FOo 01:18, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It has been suggested on the article's talk page that it is ready for FAC. I still want to expand it with a few more historical details, but I think that the structure/references/lead and such are good enough for FAC. Still, I'd appreciate your comments first - would you change anything? Or like to see more details on something? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article is ready for FA status. Please make any changes you deem important so that it can go to this vote. Denni ☯ 22:08, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)
Denni, I noticed that the article is not appearing properly on the main
Wikipedia:Peer review page, did something get messed up, or was it archived? Could explain why there haven't been any other comments. I could really use some help to flesh out the trial section. I am still working on the North-West Rebellion section, but I'm running out of steam.
Fawcett5 20:55, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am resubmitting this for review; see the Wikipedia:Peer review/Decapolis/archive1. I have been the main contributor, but I believe that it may be ready to be a FAC. Any thoughts or suggestions? Fishal 03:40, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Even though we have permission to use it? (The URL has to stay because we don't have permission to alter it). Fishal 19:17, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Now that the image is fixed, are there any other problems with the article that should be addressed? Fishal 03:22, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The article is very clear, with lots of pictures and text. All of the requirements for a FA are there, and I think that Gerald Farinas and others have done a great job. It covers the entire ceremony, which is probably going to be a real important historical event. Bratsche talk random 21:07, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
I am astonished at the breadth and depth of this article, written so quickly after the actual event. Only the internet community and the Wikipedia editing process could create something, as beautifully composed as this article, in so short a time. Thank you all of you.
Having the whole homily here is likely a bad idea. That is what Wikisource is for. An abridged summary along with background would be better. Also, where are the inline citations? An FA requirement is to use them appropriately. None is not appropriate, IMO. They should be used after every quote and after every fact that will likely be disputable. Not having any makes confirming the information in an article this size needlessly difficult. --
mav 16:21, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)