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Nominator(s): Broc ( talk) 08:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I recently created this list, with the aim to fulfill the featured list criteria from the start. I believe it does meet all of them, hence my nomination. Switzerland has been closely linked to the Nobel prize since the start, and a large number of laureates were Swiss. Broc ( talk) 08:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I did significantly expand the last lead paragraph, which at the time of nomination only included Switzerland is among the countries with the highest number of Nobel laureates, both in total and per capita. I wanted to add some context with explanations that have been published in Swiss media, as well as a remark on the general Nobel controversies (Western bias is a pretty obvious one). This should provide better context and more WP:NPOV, avoiding the mildly celebratory tone that country-based lists end up having. Broc ( talk) 12:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Images need alt text.
• Use upright scaling instead of defining the size of an image. See WP:PIC#Thumbnail sizes.
  • Note to future reviewers: have not looked into copyright status of images yet. Not a full image review.
• "The latest Swiss laureates are Michel Mayor and Didier Queloz, who received the Nobel for Physics in 2019." --> "The latest Swiss laureates are Michel Mayor and Didier Queloz, who received the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2019."

Excited to see this list nominated! Staraction ( talk | contribs) 15:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks, @ Staraction! I added alt text to all images and changed the sentence as you suggested. Upright scaling can only be used with thumbnails, which might not be the best option in a table. What would you recommend? Broc ( talk) 14:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Added upright scaling using "frameless" option. Broc ( talk) 16:06, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
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• Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row. In the case of this table, I think the primary column is the "Laureate" column which contains their name.
• Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 09:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  Done thanks for the inputs, @ MPGuy2824 Broc ( talk) 14:36, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

MPGuy2824

• List of Indian Nobel laureates seems to be only other nation-based nobel laureates list. It has a section of nominees who didn't win the award. You could consider adding them here too.
• The last paragraph of the lead section is just a single sentence. See if you can merge it with one of the paragraphs above it.
• Run IABot on the list.
• The Telegraph reference is generating a CS1 error. Please fix.
• That's all that I got. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 07:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ MPGuy2824 I adapted the lead section as suggested, ran IABot, and fixed the CS1 error.

  Regarding the list of nominees, I have a few concerns:

  1. A list of Swiss Nobel laureates certainly fulfills WP:NLIST, given the amount of sources publishing on the topic ( [1] [2] [3] [4] just to link a few). However, I could not find a published list of Swiss Nobel nominees.
  2. List of Indian Nobel laureates nicely distinguishes between Indian nationals at birth, individuals of Indian origin, people with acquired citizenship, but does so only for the list of laureates and not for the nominees. I am then left to wonder what the selection criterion for the nominees section was.
  3. The lack of a published list of Swiss Nobel nominees, combined with the relatively arbitrary definition of what "Swiss" means (in the case of laureates, "held Swiss citizenship at the time of the award" seems a commonly accepted criterion, but I do not know what would be a viable one for nominees), would make the creation of a list of nominees rather close to WP:OR, in my opinion.

  Broc ( talk) 10:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  You can wikilink a few more terms/names like "Inter-Parliamentary Union", "Olympian Spring", "Fridtjof Nansen" and "Geneva Convention", but I'll support in advance of those changes. If interest and time permit, please comment at my FL nom. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 11:02, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• Rationale for 'Nansen International Office for Refugees' is unreferenced. You could also add an emdash in the logo column of the same entry.

  Fixed, thanks Broc ( talk) 20:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• For Jack Steinberger, it is mentioned that he acquired honorary Swiss citizenship in 2006. However, the source states that he acquired honorary citizenship of a German town in 2006. Could you please clarify this?

  My mistake, he acquired honorary citizenship in 2000 from Geneva, per source. Broc ( talk) 20:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Question: Does the bestowal of honorary citizenship by a Swiss city or canton amount to acquisition of Swiss citizenship, like in the case of Max Theiler and Kofi Annan? If not, could they be put in the same category as Pauli? Nitro Absynthe ( talk) 17:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  This is also a very valid question. The Swiss citizenship is given first by the city, then by the canton, and finally by the confederation. Per the Federal Act on Swiss Citizenship , "The granting of honorary citizenship to a foreign national by a canton or municipality without a federal naturalization permit does not have the same effect as naturalization." User:Nitro Absynthe should I rather split the table in two sections, one with the naturalized people (only Pauli) and one with the honorary citizens? Broc ( talk) 20:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Pinging @ Broc, the nominator, as these comments have gone unaddressed. Hey man im josh ( talk) 15:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Sorry, I missed the comment in my watchlist. I answered above. Broc ( talk) 20:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• @ Broc, I feel like splitting would be better to avoid confusion. Also, there might be some discrepancy regarding Theiler's citizenship. According to this report by SERI (p. 16), Max Theiler is listed as a Swiss citizen. Maybe he could be placed in the naturalized citizen section with Pauli and Steinberger. Nitro Absynthe ( talk) 09:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Nitro Absynthe uhm that's a tricky one. The Historical Dictionary of Switzerland mentions that Theiler was Swiss citizen by birth ( place of origin: Hasle), which makes sense as his parents were Swiss. On the other hand, he certainly received a honorary citizenship, again from Hasle, in 1952, which would not make sense if he already was a citizen. However, according to the list you shared, he was Swiss when he received the prize. I think it might be best to add him in the main list with a footnote. Broc ( talk) 12:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• @ Broc, agreed. I think that's better. Nitro Absynthe ( talk) 18:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Nitro Absynthe done, with footnotes on Theiler and Annan. Thanks a lot for raising these points, I think the list is better off now. Broc ( talk) 07:29, 19 July 2024 (UTC) reply