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Keep: and improve with Chinese sources (see WP in Mandarin). Release announced for August, 3, notable director, notable cast. This kind of Afds just before announced release are not really a good idea imv. -
My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)22:53, 14 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Precisely. It does meet that guideline imv: sources on the page or existing online can confirm "production itself" has attracted attention. Added some to the page; there are more. See for yourself. -
My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)00:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I also note that looking at the adjacent stations, they seem at a glance to be able to pass GNG (via ZH article). Deleting random articles in a mainly notable set creates consistency and navigation issues.
JumpytooTalk18:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I believe the article needs to go for two reasons:
(1) The article's subject (i.e., threefourtwo foreign trips), is not independently notable. Foreign trips are an absolutely routine matter for ministers, prime ministers, presidents and other heads of state. Since Orbán undertook those trips as the prime minister of Hungary, they can of course be mentioned in
Fifth Orbán Government or similar.
(2) The article's topic is overly vague. Article was created four days ago under the undoubtedly POV title, "2024 peace missions by Viktor Orbán", focusing on Orbán's three foreign trips: to Ukraine, Russia, and China. Then yesterday, his fourth trip, to the US, was added.
[1]. After the article, and in particular its title, was challenged via PROD,
[2] the US and Ukraine trips were removed and article renamed to its current title. This even further reduced not just notability but even
WP:SIGNIFICANCE of these
WP:RECENT events.
Overall, I see no reason for Wikipedia to have a separate article on Orban's two foreigns trips, which will be all barely remembered in a year from now.
Keep: It's at least 20 sources, with an extensive analysis for each point made, I'm not sure what else you could want at this point. It meets GNG.
Oaktree b (
talk)
23:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)reply
My reasoning was clear: it's not notable for a standalone article. See, for every news event, you'll have dozens of sources. For every speech of a US president, you'll have possibly hundreds of rolling news reports. But this doesn't mean that each speech should receive a standalone Wikipedia article. Same concern here: Wikipedia is
WP:NOTNEWS. —
kashmīrīTALK00:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge and redirect to a broader article covering the Fifth Orbán Government or Viktor Orbán's diplomacy. The article covers the trips in some detail. Yet, they do not appear to meet the threshold for standalone notability due to their routine nature as part of a head of state's duties. Adding this info to a broader context will keep the relevant historical record. Yet, it will avoid giving too much weight to events that may not last. This approach will also streamline related content. It will strengthen the details of Viktor Orbán's political movements. It will also make the new article more complete.--
AstridMitch (
talk)
00:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge Many of the sources in the article do treat the three visits as one cohesive topic, but
for now, we have no knowledge of what lasting significance these visits may have. I cannot find any real effects that have come of these meetings except reactions from various countries, but that does not constitute stand alone notability in my mind. Instead, this can adaquetely be covered in an article like the
Fifth Orbán Government.
Gödel2200 (
talk)
12:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge Fails
WP:NEVENT. It's hard to think how a single state visit by a political leader could be notable given that anything of significance in a visit would be an event (or events) *during* the visit, not the visit per se. For the visit to be notable it would need to rise to the level of something like the
1972 visit by Richard Nixon to China. Regards, --
Goldsztajn (
talk)
06:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep: Indeed, these two visits were subjected to an almost unprecedented spotlight, especially his visit to Moscow, and recently even the European Parliament
condemned it! It can be kept now and wait.
EpicAdventurer (
talk)
14:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)reply
What sources indicate the visits received "almost unprecedented" coverage? There needs to be sourcing that indicates why the trips in and of themselves are notable separate from the long-standing policies reaffirmed by Orbán on the trips. Regards,
Goldsztajn (
talk)
04:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of
WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability.
Bgsu98(Talk)17:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting, not eligible for a Soft Deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!16:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: per nom. I was not able to find any English or Chinese sources about the subject person, and she has only won bronze medals in the Chinese Championships, failing both GNG and NSKATE. —Prince of Erebor(
The Book of Mazarbul)14:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to China. It is one of many
deletion lists coordinated by
WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.
Adding a new AfD discussion
Adding an AfD to this page does not add it to the main page at
WP:AFD. Similarly, removing an AfD from this page does not remove it from the main page at
WP:AFD. If you want to nominate an article for deletion, go through the process on that page before adding it to this page. To add a discussion to this page, follow these steps:
Edit this page and add {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PageName}} to the top of the list. Replace "PageName" with the relevant article name, i.e. the one on the existing AFD discussion. Also, indicate the title of the article in the edit summary as it is particularly helpful to add a link to the article in the edit summary. When you save the page, the discussion will automatically appear.
You should also tag the AfD by adding {{subst:delsort|China|~~~~}} to it, which will inform editors that it has been listed here. You may place this tag above or below the nomination statement or at the end of the discussion thread.
Closed AfD discussions are automatically removed by
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Other types of discussions
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prod,
CfD,
TfD etc.) related to China. For the other XfD's, the process is the same as AfD (except {{Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName}} is used for MFD and {{transclude xfd}} for the rest). For PRODs, adding a link with {{prodded}} will suffice.
Further information
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deletion policy and
WP:AfD for general information about Articles for Deletion, including a list of article deletions sorted by day of nomination.
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Asia.
Archived discussions (starting from September 2007) may be found at:
Keep: and improve with Chinese sources (see WP in Mandarin). Release announced for August, 3, notable director, notable cast. This kind of Afds just before announced release are not really a good idea imv. -
My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)22:53, 14 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Precisely. It does meet that guideline imv: sources on the page or existing online can confirm "production itself" has attracted attention. Added some to the page; there are more. See for yourself. -
My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)00:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I also note that looking at the adjacent stations, they seem at a glance to be able to pass GNG (via ZH article). Deleting random articles in a mainly notable set creates consistency and navigation issues.
JumpytooTalk18:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I believe the article needs to go for two reasons:
(1) The article's subject (i.e., threefourtwo foreign trips), is not independently notable. Foreign trips are an absolutely routine matter for ministers, prime ministers, presidents and other heads of state. Since Orbán undertook those trips as the prime minister of Hungary, they can of course be mentioned in
Fifth Orbán Government or similar.
(2) The article's topic is overly vague. Article was created four days ago under the undoubtedly POV title, "2024 peace missions by Viktor Orbán", focusing on Orbán's three foreign trips: to Ukraine, Russia, and China. Then yesterday, his fourth trip, to the US, was added.
[1]. After the article, and in particular its title, was challenged via PROD,
[2] the US and Ukraine trips were removed and article renamed to its current title. This even further reduced not just notability but even
WP:SIGNIFICANCE of these
WP:RECENT events.
Overall, I see no reason for Wikipedia to have a separate article on Orban's two foreigns trips, which will be all barely remembered in a year from now.
Keep: It's at least 20 sources, with an extensive analysis for each point made, I'm not sure what else you could want at this point. It meets GNG.
Oaktree b (
talk)
23:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)reply
My reasoning was clear: it's not notable for a standalone article. See, for every news event, you'll have dozens of sources. For every speech of a US president, you'll have possibly hundreds of rolling news reports. But this doesn't mean that each speech should receive a standalone Wikipedia article. Same concern here: Wikipedia is
WP:NOTNEWS. —
kashmīrīTALK00:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge and redirect to a broader article covering the Fifth Orbán Government or Viktor Orbán's diplomacy. The article covers the trips in some detail. Yet, they do not appear to meet the threshold for standalone notability due to their routine nature as part of a head of state's duties. Adding this info to a broader context will keep the relevant historical record. Yet, it will avoid giving too much weight to events that may not last. This approach will also streamline related content. It will strengthen the details of Viktor Orbán's political movements. It will also make the new article more complete.--
AstridMitch (
talk)
00:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge Many of the sources in the article do treat the three visits as one cohesive topic, but
for now, we have no knowledge of what lasting significance these visits may have. I cannot find any real effects that have come of these meetings except reactions from various countries, but that does not constitute stand alone notability in my mind. Instead, this can adaquetely be covered in an article like the
Fifth Orbán Government.
Gödel2200 (
talk)
12:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge Fails
WP:NEVENT. It's hard to think how a single state visit by a political leader could be notable given that anything of significance in a visit would be an event (or events) *during* the visit, not the visit per se. For the visit to be notable it would need to rise to the level of something like the
1972 visit by Richard Nixon to China. Regards, --
Goldsztajn (
talk)
06:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep: Indeed, these two visits were subjected to an almost unprecedented spotlight, especially his visit to Moscow, and recently even the European Parliament
condemned it! It can be kept now and wait.
EpicAdventurer (
talk)
14:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)reply
What sources indicate the visits received "almost unprecedented" coverage? There needs to be sourcing that indicates why the trips in and of themselves are notable separate from the long-standing policies reaffirmed by Orbán on the trips. Regards,
Goldsztajn (
talk)
04:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of
WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability.
Bgsu98(Talk)17:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting, not eligible for a Soft Deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!16:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: per nom. I was not able to find any English or Chinese sources about the subject person, and she has only won bronze medals in the Chinese Championships, failing both GNG and NSKATE. —Prince of Erebor(
The Book of Mazarbul)14:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply