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- The result of the discussion was: speedy delete under WP:G5. Created by sock. Primefac ( talk) 13:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Superfluous recently created category where all the sub-categories added are already in the parent category Category:WikiProject Articles for creation Nthep ( talk) 22:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Created yesterday. SportingFlyer T· C 23:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Georgia State Panthers volleyball to Category:Georgia State Panthers
- Nominator's rationale: Category lacks members. Let'srun ( talk) 21:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (Note that
WP:RELIST says it
should not be a substitute for a no consensus closure. If the closer feels there has been substantive discussion, and disparate opinions supported by policy have been expressed, but consensus has not been achieved, a no-consensus close may be preferable.
) (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:15, 29 February 2024 (UTC) - Nominator's rationale: Category lacks members.
Let'srun (
talk)
21:51, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- How many members does it lack? Keep; part of well-defined, highly-structured categorization scheme. Deletion will break parallelism between neighboring branches of the category tree and reduce ease of navigation. Jweiss11 ( talk) 22:29, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Jweiss11. Cat contains multiple articles. ~WikiOriginal-9~ ( talk) 22:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge can be re-created if more articles are written. SportingFlyer T· C 23:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Jweiss. Useful for navigation and we need to consider that the category itself is a subcat which helps with navigation. If merged the target is category would not be added to all the categories of the one being merged, which would hinder navigation. Merging would be a net negative to the encyclopedia. Hey man im josh ( talk) 00:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep nom statement is incorrect. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 03:08, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, having only two articles in the category is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now per Marcocapelle. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Merging this will not help navigation at all - it will only make it more difficult to navigate articles, something that goes against the purpose of the entire reason we have categories. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Of course it does not make it more difficult, by this merge you can get quicker from Talladega Tornadoes football seasons articles to e.g. Category:Talladega Tornadoes football coaches. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:23, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- That's iff someone wants to find the coaches as well with one less click - but in the name of order and sense I'd rather go with the other option; if I wanted to find seasons of college football teams and Talladega was on my list, I'd go to
Category:College football seasons by team. This merger would mean that Talladega is no longer there, which gives the appearance that there's no Talladega season articles due to it no longer being on the very well-maintained categorization scheme of ~20 years that this would be disrupting for...what purpose?
BeanieFan11 (
talk)
16:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia policy should never trump a WikiProject. Let'srun ( talk) 18:43, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- That's iff someone wants to find the coaches as well with one less click - but in the name of order and sense I'd rather go with the other option; if I wanted to find seasons of college football teams and Talladega was on my list, I'd go to
Category:College football seasons by team. This merger would mean that Talladega is no longer there, which gives the appearance that there's no Talladega season articles due to it no longer being on the very well-maintained categorization scheme of ~20 years that this would be disrupting for...what purpose?
BeanieFan11 (
talk)
16:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
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(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
22:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Local elections in Tanzania to Category:Local government in Tanzania
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Unhelpful for navigation. The election is already in a more specific election category. Mason ( talk) 02:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Local and municipal elections. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I think this is helpful for navigation. While 2014 Tanzanian local elections is in Category:2014 elections in Tanzania, if the local elections category is deleted, a reader starting at Category:Elections in Tanzania will not realise that there are any local election articles unless they search each election by year category. This is a category that has significant potential for growth and it is pretty standard to have this level of category (see Category:Local and municipal elections by country). Number 5 7 14:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Oppose I could see an argument for a merge to elections in Tanzania, but the merge destination doesn't make sense to me. SportingFlyer T· C 23:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- There is no need to merge to Category:Elections in Tanzania because the only article is already in Category:2014 elections in Tanzania. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Lists of association football penalty shoot-outs. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Categorization by a trivial characteristic. User:Namiba 15:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep it's a no-brainer that the List articles belong in this category. A different question is whether articles about individual matches (or two legged ties or groups) that were decided on penalties should be. Category talk:Association football penalty shoot-outs had a brief discussion in 2009. jnestorius( talk) 15:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Purge to just the lists about penalty shootouts. Other matches that happened to have a penalty shootout don't need to be there, as it's not defining/overcategorisation by association. That still leaves 5 articles, which is enough to justify a category existing. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 16:57, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, re-parent and purge to Category:Lists of association football penalty shoot-outs. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- I support all of this, as it's a better implementation of my suggestion. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 18:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- clarify "re-parent"? I oppose creating a "category:Lists of Foo" if there is no "category:Foo". Moving the lists to a subcat and purging the current one to just the main article I don't object to. jnestorius( talk) 22:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep clearly defining category for various football matches. SportingFlyer T· C 09:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 19:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, re-parent and purge as per Joseph/Marcocapelle. Giant Snowman 19:25, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Rename, re-parent and purge per many above. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:23, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:36, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Bisexual politicians by nationality to Category:LGBT politicians by nationality and Category:Bisexual people by nationality
- Propose merging Category: American bisexual politicians to Category: American LGBT politicians and Category: American bisexual people
- Propose merging Category: Australian bisexual politicians to Category: Australian LGBT politicians and Category: Australian bisexual people
- Propose merging Category:British bisexual politicians to Category:British LGBT politicians and Category:British bisexual people
- Propose merging Category: English bisexual politicians to Category: English LGBT politicians and Category: English bisexual people
- Propose merging Category: Scottish bisexual politicians to Category: Scottish LGBT politicians and Category: Scottish bisexual people
- Propose merging Category: Canadian bisexual politicians to Category: Canadian LGBT politicians and Category: Canadian bisexual people
- Propose merging Category:Gay politicians by nationality to Category:LGBT politicians by nationality and Category:gay men by nationality
- Propose merging Category: American gay politicians to Category: American LGBT politicians and Category: American gay men
- Propose merging Category: Australian gay politicians to Category: Australian LGBT politicians and Category: Australian gay men
- Propose merging Category: Brazilian gay politicians to Category: Brazilian LGBT politicians and Category: Brazilian gay men
- Propose merging Category:British gay politicians to Category:British LGBT politicians and Category:British gay men
- Propose merging Category: English gay politicians to Category: English LGBT politicians and Category: English gay men
- Propose merging Category: Scottish gay politicians to Category: Scottish LGBT politicians and Category: Scottish gay men
- Propose merging Category: Welsh gay politicians to Category: Welsh LGBT politicians and Category: Welsh gay men
- Propose merging Category: Canadian gay politicians to Category: Canadian LGBT politicians and Category: Canadian gay men
- Propose merging Category: Dutch gay politicians to Category: Dutch LGBT politicians and Category: Dutch gay men
- Propose merging Category: French gay politicians to Category: French LGBT politicians and Category: French gay men
- Propose merging Category: German gay politicians to Category: German LGBT politicians and Category: German gay men
- Propose merging Category: Irish gay politicians to Category: Irish LGBT politicians and Category: Irish gay men
- Propose merging Category: Italian gay politicians to Category: Italian LGBT politicians and Category: Italian gay men
- Propose merging Category: Spanish gay politicians to Category: Spanish LGBT politicians and Category: Spanish gay men
- Propose merging Category:Lesbian politicians by nationality to Category:LGBT politicians by nationality and Category:lesbians by nationality
- Propose merging Category: American lesbian politicians to Category: American LGBT politicians and Category: American lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Australian lesbian politicians to Category: Australian LGBT politicians and Category: Australian lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Brazilian lesbian politicians to Category: Brazilian LGBT politicians and Category: Brazilian lesbians
- Propose merging Category:British lesbian politicians to Category:British LGBT politicians and Category:British lesbians
- Propose merging Category: English lesbian politicians to Category: English LGBT politicians and Category: English lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Scottish lesbian politicians to Category: Scottish LGBT politicians and Category: Scottish lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Canadian lesbian politicians to Category: Canadian LGBT politicians and Category: Canadian lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Dutch lesbian politicians to Category: Dutch LGBT politicians and Category: Dutch lesbians
- Propose merging Category: French lesbian politicians to Category: French LGBT politicians and Category: French lesbians
- Propose merging Category: German lesbian politicians to Category: German LGBT politicians and Category: German lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Irish lesbian politicians to Category: Irish LGBT politicians and Category: Irish lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Italian lesbian politicians to Category: Italian LGBT politicians and Category: Italian lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Spanish lesbian politicians to Category: Spanish LGBT politicians and Category: Spanish lesbians
- Propose merging Category:Non-binary politicians by nationality to Category:Non-binary politicians by nationality and Category:Non-binary people by nationality
- Propose merging Category: American non-binary politicians to Category: American non-binary politicians and Category: American non-binary people
- Propose merging Category: Australian non-binary politicians to Category: Australian non-binary politicians and Category: Australian non-binary people
- Propose merging Category: Canadian non-binary politicians to Category: Canadian non-binary politicians and Category: Canadian non-binary people
- Propose merging Category:Transgender politicians by nationality to Category:LGBT politicians by nationality and Category:Transgender people by nationality
- Propose merging Category: American transgender politicians to Category: American LGBT politicians and Category: American transgender people
- Propose merging Category:British transgender politicians to Category:British LGBT politicians and Category:British transgender people
- Propose merging Category: English transgender politicians to Category: English LGBT politicians and Category: English transgender people
- Propose merging Category: Canadian transgender politicians to Category: Canadian LGBT politicians and Category: Canadian transgender people
- Nominator's rationale: merge, trivial intersection, per
WP:EGRS.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
20:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. These intersections are helpful for diffusion of the larger category, and various LGBT identities are not treated the same, for example being a transgender politician in the united states is treated very differently than being a lesbian or bi politician.
Mason (
talk)
20:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, then each category should also be merged to the respective identity category, eg.
Australian non-binary politicians should be merged to
Category:Australian non-binary people
Mason (
talk)
20:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- That is a good point, I have updated the nomination.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
21:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. :) Mason ( talk) 00:48, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- That is a good point, I have updated the nomination.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
21:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, then each category should also be merged to the respective identity category, eg.
Australian non-binary politicians should be merged to
Category:Australian non-binary people
Mason (
talk)
20:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. These intersections are helpful for diffusion of the larger category, and various LGBT identities are not treated the same, for example being a transgender politician in the united states is treated very differently than being a lesbian or bi politician.
Mason (
talk)
20:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom.
Place Clichy (
talk)
20:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Merge per nom.Omnis Scientia ( talk) 15:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The issue here is that in a good many of these countries, the "LGBT politicians" parent is already too large, and in need of diffusion on size grounds. For instance, the American categories here alone, if upmerged back to their
Category:American LGBT politicians parent, would push that category to over 700 people, making it very much too large and in need of diffusion on size grounds.
The nomination has also failed to account for the fact that each category would also need to be upmerged to the appropriate Category:Gay politicians, Category:Lesbian politicians, Category:Bisexual politicians, Category:Transgender politicians or Category:Non-binary politicians parent, thus also making them too large and in need of diffusion on size grounds. For instance, killing off all of the "gay" subcategories above, and upmerging everybody back to Category:Gay politicians, gets that category exploded to 965 people — making it very much too large and in need of diffusion.
The standard practice has always been that we start with one core "LGBT" category as a base — but then once that one merged core category becomes large enough that diffusion is needed, then it can be quartered up into separate gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender subcategories. Each one of those does not need to separately reprove its own individual "definingness" separately from the definingness of LGBT as a whole — each of them is merely a passenger in the LGBT car, not its own car that needs its own separate definingness test above and beyond the definingness of the LGBT parent. We have to take into account the size of a merged "LGBT" category as well — if one of those becomes large enough that diffusion is necessary, then splitting it up into separate "gay", "lesbian", "bisexual", "transgender" and or "non-binary" categories is automatically fair game, because the size of merged parent categories is also an issue that we have to account for. Bearcat ( talk) 22:11, 13 February 2024 (UTC) - Oppose convinced by the arguments the parent categories are already too large. SportingFlyer T· C 09:30, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep When I read through this nomination, I originally supported the merger but Bearcat makes some very valid points. A generic LGBT category can easily get too large to be useful. I think the focus should be on whether or not the categories are logically structured to be useful for readers rather than feelings about sexual orientation/identity. To be blunt, no one has brought up this point but me but it seems like these categories on sexual identity or sexual orientation seem to get nominated for deletion a lot. I'm more concerned about miscategorization (I'm thinking about Category:Ancient LGBT people) than whether or not categories should be merged. I've found articles where individual subjects have been categorized as LGBT when that aspect of life has never been mentioned at all in the article. But that's another matter than this nomination. Liz Read! Talk! 01:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Clans of Meitei to Category:Meitei clans
- Nominator's rationale: As per naming convention in Category:Clans Gjs238 ( talk) 18:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support for consistency. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Hospitals not categorized this way (non-profit) Gjs238 ( talk) 17:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:05, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: reverse merge.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
17:57, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Women sports commentators to Category:Women sports announcers
- Nominator's rationale: Two categories which serve the same purpose except that they use different terms (also
WP:OVERLAP). Merge the new one with the older one.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
09:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support, but I think we should leave a redirect.
Mason (
talk)
12:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 13:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support, but I think we should leave a redirect.
Mason (
talk)
12:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 19:00, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect but the other way round - commentators is used by the parent category. SportingFlyer T· C 21:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- That is a good point - reverse merge appears to be a better solution. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ SportingFlyer, definitely agree. My plan actually was that we should merge this as is because the target category is the older of the two (someone told me a while back that the older category's history should be preserved if possible) and then speedy rename it to "Women sports commentators". Omnis Scientia ( talk) 22:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Women sports announcers.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 13:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)- @ HouseBlaster, that is unnecessary, I think. I was planning on speedy renaming Category:Women sports announcers to "Women sports commentators" if and after the merger goes through. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 18:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:09, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Almost none of the articles here are actually codenames, just characters with false identities. An alternative might be moving it to Category:Fictional pseudonymous characters and reparenting it to Category:Pseudonyms, but I'm unsure if that's defining. Note: Deletion/move implies all subcategories would be deleted or moved in the same way. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 10:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Untrue,
Ghostface (identity) is not a single character.
★Trekker (
talk)
15:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that Ghostface isn't a "character", he is a fictional character whose role is taken by various people in-universe by wearing the mask. (identity) takes an overly in-universe perspective - from the audience's perspective he is still a character. I've created an RM to that effect suggesting the moves be rolled back.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
17:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless of whether the move succeeds, a single article is insufficient to justify a whole category. That can simply be moved to Category:Pseudonyms. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 17:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that Ghostface isn't a "character", he is a fictional character whose role is taken by various people in-universe by wearing the mask. (identity) takes an overly in-universe perspective - from the audience's perspective he is still a character. I've created an RM to that effect suggesting the moves be rolled back.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
17:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, or at least purge articles about characters. I assume that after purging too little is left to keep the category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:54, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: Speedy Keep. Nomination withdrawn (non-admin closure) Let'srun ( talk) 03:27, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Only two members in the category are redirects; not a useful layer for navigation.
Let'srun (
talk)
04:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Jweiss11's comments. ~WikiOriginal-9~ ( talk) 21:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; part of well-defined, highly-structured categorization scheme. Jweiss11 ( talk) 04:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Merge, a category with just redirects is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle, those redirects bring the users to 1946 New Mexico Conference football season and 2022 Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference football season, which contain detailed content about Adams State football seasons. Seems pretty helpful for navigation. Jweiss11 ( talk) 06:21, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Update: this category now contains five items including three stand-alone articles. Let'srun, is that sufficient for you to withdraw this nomination? Marcocapelle, would you like to revise your stance here? Jweiss11 ( talk) 17:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, then I'll strike my vote. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Jweiss. Useful for navigation and we need to consider that the category itself is a subcat which helps with navigation. If merged the target is category would not be added to all the categories of the one being merged, which would hinder navigation. Merging would be a net negative to the encyclopedia. Hey man im josh ( talk) 00:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep nom rationale is no longer valid. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 03:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete (pick your favorite term).
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
17:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fairfield Stags volleyball to Category:Fairfield Stags
- Nominator's rationale: Only one page is in this category.
Let'srun (
talk)
04:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Upon further investigation, I have chosen to PROD the only article in the category. Let'srun ( talk) 04:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom if the article is not deleted. – Aidan721 ( talk) 18:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category is emptied so there is nothing to Merge. Liz Read! Talk! 05:05, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (Note that
WP:RELIST says it
should not be a substitute for a no consensus closure. If the closer feels there has been substantive discussion, and disparate opinions supported by policy have been expressed, but consensus has not been achieved, a no-consensus close may be preferable.
) (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:17, 29 February 2024 (UTC) - Nominator's rationale: Only one member in category. Let'srun ( talk) 04:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; part of well-defined, highly-structured categorization scheme. Jweiss11 ( talk) 04:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, a category with only one member is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:05, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. –
Aidan721 (
talk)
18:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. "part of well-defined, highly-structured categorization scheme." is not a good reason by itself.
Mason (
talk)
20:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- But the fact that merging would severely reduce navigation aid - the whole purpose of having categories - is an excellent reason. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. "part of well-defined, highly-structured categorization scheme." is not a good reason by itself.
Mason (
talk)
20:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. SportingFlyer T· C 23:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Jweiss. Useful for navigation and we need to consider that the category itself is a subcat which helps with navigation. If merged the target is category would not be added to all the categories of the one being merged, which would hinder navigation. Merging would be a net negative to the encyclopedia. Hey man im josh ( talk) 00:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Hey man im josh, merging is not going to improve the pedia. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 03:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Merging this will not help navigation at all - it will only make it more difficult to navigate articles, something that goes against the purpose of the entire reason we have categories. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Lists of Kosovan women to Category:Kosovan women and Category:Lists of Kosovan people
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 03:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, a category with only one member is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Taiwanese drama television series - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 02:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, only one article is in this category next to the target. However then add the subcategory under Category:Taiwanese fiction. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk) 07:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Only member of the 16th-century category is only notable in the 17th-century, whereas the member of the 19th-century category isn't notable until the 20th century. Mason ( talk) 02:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Besides James Riabhach Darcy's occupation as a farmer is not even mentioned in the article. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk) 07:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:History of agriculture.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:17th-century Polish farmers to Category:Polish farmers
- Propose merging Category:16th-century Polish farmers to Category:Polish farmers
- Nominator's rationale: There are no actual farmers in these categories, just a page about Serfdom in Poland (and a 1651 peasant revolt) Mason ( talk) 02:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Alt merge to
Category:History of agriculture since these are topic articles.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:27, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Even better! Mason ( talk) 20:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: speedy delete under WP:G5. Created by sock. Primefac ( talk) 13:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Superfluous recently created category where all the sub-categories added are already in the parent category Category:WikiProject Articles for creation Nthep ( talk) 22:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Created yesterday. SportingFlyer T· C 23:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Georgia State Panthers volleyball to Category:Georgia State Panthers
- Nominator's rationale: Category lacks members. Let'srun ( talk) 21:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (Note that
WP:RELIST says it
should not be a substitute for a no consensus closure. If the closer feels there has been substantive discussion, and disparate opinions supported by policy have been expressed, but consensus has not been achieved, a no-consensus close may be preferable.
) (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:15, 29 February 2024 (UTC) - Nominator's rationale: Category lacks members.
Let'srun (
talk)
21:51, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- How many members does it lack? Keep; part of well-defined, highly-structured categorization scheme. Deletion will break parallelism between neighboring branches of the category tree and reduce ease of navigation. Jweiss11 ( talk) 22:29, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Jweiss11. Cat contains multiple articles. ~WikiOriginal-9~ ( talk) 22:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge can be re-created if more articles are written. SportingFlyer T· C 23:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Jweiss. Useful for navigation and we need to consider that the category itself is a subcat which helps with navigation. If merged the target is category would not be added to all the categories of the one being merged, which would hinder navigation. Merging would be a net negative to the encyclopedia. Hey man im josh ( talk) 00:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep nom statement is incorrect. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 03:08, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, having only two articles in the category is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now per Marcocapelle. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Merging this will not help navigation at all - it will only make it more difficult to navigate articles, something that goes against the purpose of the entire reason we have categories. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Of course it does not make it more difficult, by this merge you can get quicker from Talladega Tornadoes football seasons articles to e.g. Category:Talladega Tornadoes football coaches. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:23, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- That's iff someone wants to find the coaches as well with one less click - but in the name of order and sense I'd rather go with the other option; if I wanted to find seasons of college football teams and Talladega was on my list, I'd go to
Category:College football seasons by team. This merger would mean that Talladega is no longer there, which gives the appearance that there's no Talladega season articles due to it no longer being on the very well-maintained categorization scheme of ~20 years that this would be disrupting for...what purpose?
BeanieFan11 (
talk)
16:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia policy should never trump a WikiProject. Let'srun ( talk) 18:43, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- That's iff someone wants to find the coaches as well with one less click - but in the name of order and sense I'd rather go with the other option; if I wanted to find seasons of college football teams and Talladega was on my list, I'd go to
Category:College football seasons by team. This merger would mean that Talladega is no longer there, which gives the appearance that there's no Talladega season articles due to it no longer being on the very well-maintained categorization scheme of ~20 years that this would be disrupting for...what purpose?
BeanieFan11 (
talk)
16:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
22:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Local elections in Tanzania to Category:Local government in Tanzania
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Unhelpful for navigation. The election is already in a more specific election category. Mason ( talk) 02:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Local and municipal elections. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I think this is helpful for navigation. While 2014 Tanzanian local elections is in Category:2014 elections in Tanzania, if the local elections category is deleted, a reader starting at Category:Elections in Tanzania will not realise that there are any local election articles unless they search each election by year category. This is a category that has significant potential for growth and it is pretty standard to have this level of category (see Category:Local and municipal elections by country). Number 5 7 14:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 19:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I could see an argument for a merge to elections in Tanzania, but the merge destination doesn't make sense to me. SportingFlyer T· C 23:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- There is no need to merge to Category:Elections in Tanzania because the only article is already in Category:2014 elections in Tanzania. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Lists of association football penalty shoot-outs. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Categorization by a trivial characteristic. User:Namiba 15:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep it's a no-brainer that the List articles belong in this category. A different question is whether articles about individual matches (or two legged ties or groups) that were decided on penalties should be. Category talk:Association football penalty shoot-outs had a brief discussion in 2009. jnestorius( talk) 15:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Purge to just the lists about penalty shootouts. Other matches that happened to have a penalty shootout don't need to be there, as it's not defining/overcategorisation by association. That still leaves 5 articles, which is enough to justify a category existing. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 16:57, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, re-parent and purge to Category:Lists of association football penalty shoot-outs. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- I support all of this, as it's a better implementation of my suggestion. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 18:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- clarify "re-parent"? I oppose creating a "category:Lists of Foo" if there is no "category:Foo". Moving the lists to a subcat and purging the current one to just the main article I don't object to. jnestorius( talk) 22:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep clearly defining category for various football matches. SportingFlyer T· C 09:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 19:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, re-parent and purge as per Joseph/Marcocapelle. Giant Snowman 19:25, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 19:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)- Rename, re-parent and purge per Joseph and Marco. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 23:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, re-parent and purge per many above. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:23, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:36, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Bisexual politicians by nationality to Category:LGBT politicians by nationality and Category:Bisexual people by nationality
- Propose merging Category: American bisexual politicians to Category: American LGBT politicians and Category: American bisexual people
- Propose merging Category: Australian bisexual politicians to Category: Australian LGBT politicians and Category: Australian bisexual people
- Propose merging Category:British bisexual politicians to Category:British LGBT politicians and Category:British bisexual people
- Propose merging Category: English bisexual politicians to Category: English LGBT politicians and Category: English bisexual people
- Propose merging Category: Scottish bisexual politicians to Category: Scottish LGBT politicians and Category: Scottish bisexual people
- Propose merging Category: Canadian bisexual politicians to Category: Canadian LGBT politicians and Category: Canadian bisexual people
- Propose merging Category:Gay politicians by nationality to Category:LGBT politicians by nationality and Category:gay men by nationality
- Propose merging Category: American gay politicians to Category: American LGBT politicians and Category: American gay men
- Propose merging Category: Australian gay politicians to Category: Australian LGBT politicians and Category: Australian gay men
- Propose merging Category: Brazilian gay politicians to Category: Brazilian LGBT politicians and Category: Brazilian gay men
- Propose merging Category:British gay politicians to Category:British LGBT politicians and Category:British gay men
- Propose merging Category: English gay politicians to Category: English LGBT politicians and Category: English gay men
- Propose merging Category: Scottish gay politicians to Category: Scottish LGBT politicians and Category: Scottish gay men
- Propose merging Category: Welsh gay politicians to Category: Welsh LGBT politicians and Category: Welsh gay men
- Propose merging Category: Canadian gay politicians to Category: Canadian LGBT politicians and Category: Canadian gay men
- Propose merging Category: Dutch gay politicians to Category: Dutch LGBT politicians and Category: Dutch gay men
- Propose merging Category: French gay politicians to Category: French LGBT politicians and Category: French gay men
- Propose merging Category: German gay politicians to Category: German LGBT politicians and Category: German gay men
- Propose merging Category: Irish gay politicians to Category: Irish LGBT politicians and Category: Irish gay men
- Propose merging Category: Italian gay politicians to Category: Italian LGBT politicians and Category: Italian gay men
- Propose merging Category: Spanish gay politicians to Category: Spanish LGBT politicians and Category: Spanish gay men
- Propose merging Category:Lesbian politicians by nationality to Category:LGBT politicians by nationality and Category:lesbians by nationality
- Propose merging Category: American lesbian politicians to Category: American LGBT politicians and Category: American lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Australian lesbian politicians to Category: Australian LGBT politicians and Category: Australian lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Brazilian lesbian politicians to Category: Brazilian LGBT politicians and Category: Brazilian lesbians
- Propose merging Category:British lesbian politicians to Category:British LGBT politicians and Category:British lesbians
- Propose merging Category: English lesbian politicians to Category: English LGBT politicians and Category: English lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Scottish lesbian politicians to Category: Scottish LGBT politicians and Category: Scottish lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Canadian lesbian politicians to Category: Canadian LGBT politicians and Category: Canadian lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Dutch lesbian politicians to Category: Dutch LGBT politicians and Category: Dutch lesbians
- Propose merging Category: French lesbian politicians to Category: French LGBT politicians and Category: French lesbians
- Propose merging Category: German lesbian politicians to Category: German LGBT politicians and Category: German lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Irish lesbian politicians to Category: Irish LGBT politicians and Category: Irish lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Italian lesbian politicians to Category: Italian LGBT politicians and Category: Italian lesbians
- Propose merging Category: Spanish lesbian politicians to Category: Spanish LGBT politicians and Category: Spanish lesbians
- Propose merging Category:Non-binary politicians by nationality to Category:Non-binary politicians by nationality and Category:Non-binary people by nationality
- Propose merging Category: American non-binary politicians to Category: American non-binary politicians and Category: American non-binary people
- Propose merging Category: Australian non-binary politicians to Category: Australian non-binary politicians and Category: Australian non-binary people
- Propose merging Category: Canadian non-binary politicians to Category: Canadian non-binary politicians and Category: Canadian non-binary people
- Propose merging Category:Transgender politicians by nationality to Category:LGBT politicians by nationality and Category:Transgender people by nationality
- Propose merging Category: American transgender politicians to Category: American LGBT politicians and Category: American transgender people
- Propose merging Category:British transgender politicians to Category:British LGBT politicians and Category:British transgender people
- Propose merging Category: English transgender politicians to Category: English LGBT politicians and Category: English transgender people
- Propose merging Category: Canadian transgender politicians to Category: Canadian LGBT politicians and Category: Canadian transgender people
- Nominator's rationale: merge, trivial intersection, per
WP:EGRS.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
20:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. These intersections are helpful for diffusion of the larger category, and various LGBT identities are not treated the same, for example being a transgender politician in the united states is treated very differently than being a lesbian or bi politician.
Mason (
talk)
20:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, then each category should also be merged to the respective identity category, eg.
Australian non-binary politicians should be merged to
Category:Australian non-binary people
Mason (
talk)
20:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- That is a good point, I have updated the nomination.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
21:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. :) Mason ( talk) 00:48, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- That is a good point, I have updated the nomination.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
21:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, then each category should also be merged to the respective identity category, eg.
Australian non-binary politicians should be merged to
Category:Australian non-binary people
Mason (
talk)
20:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. These intersections are helpful for diffusion of the larger category, and various LGBT identities are not treated the same, for example being a transgender politician in the united states is treated very differently than being a lesbian or bi politician.
Mason (
talk)
20:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom.
Place Clichy (
talk)
20:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Merge per nom.Omnis Scientia ( talk) 15:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The issue here is that in a good many of these countries, the "LGBT politicians" parent is already too large, and in need of diffusion on size grounds. For instance, the American categories here alone, if upmerged back to their
Category:American LGBT politicians parent, would push that category to over 700 people, making it very much too large and in need of diffusion on size grounds.
The nomination has also failed to account for the fact that each category would also need to be upmerged to the appropriate Category:Gay politicians, Category:Lesbian politicians, Category:Bisexual politicians, Category:Transgender politicians or Category:Non-binary politicians parent, thus also making them too large and in need of diffusion on size grounds. For instance, killing off all of the "gay" subcategories above, and upmerging everybody back to Category:Gay politicians, gets that category exploded to 965 people — making it very much too large and in need of diffusion.
The standard practice has always been that we start with one core "LGBT" category as a base — but then once that one merged core category becomes large enough that diffusion is needed, then it can be quartered up into separate gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender subcategories. Each one of those does not need to separately reprove its own individual "definingness" separately from the definingness of LGBT as a whole — each of them is merely a passenger in the LGBT car, not its own car that needs its own separate definingness test above and beyond the definingness of the LGBT parent. We have to take into account the size of a merged "LGBT" category as well — if one of those becomes large enough that diffusion is necessary, then splitting it up into separate "gay", "lesbian", "bisexual", "transgender" and or "non-binary" categories is automatically fair game, because the size of merged parent categories is also an issue that we have to account for. Bearcat ( talk) 22:11, 13 February 2024 (UTC) - Oppose convinced by the arguments the parent categories are already too large. SportingFlyer T· C 09:30, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep When I read through this nomination, I originally supported the merger but Bearcat makes some very valid points. A generic LGBT category can easily get too large to be useful. I think the focus should be on whether or not the categories are logically structured to be useful for readers rather than feelings about sexual orientation/identity. To be blunt, no one has brought up this point but me but it seems like these categories on sexual identity or sexual orientation seem to get nominated for deletion a lot. I'm more concerned about miscategorization (I'm thinking about Category:Ancient LGBT people) than whether or not categories should be merged. I've found articles where individual subjects have been categorized as LGBT when that aspect of life has never been mentioned at all in the article. But that's another matter than this nomination. Liz Read! Talk! 01:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 19:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)- Changing my previous vote to oppose. Liz and SportingFlyer both make good points. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 13:23, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 22:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Clans of Meitei to Category:Meitei clans
- Nominator's rationale: As per naming convention in Category:Clans Gjs238 ( talk) 18:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support for consistency. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Hospitals not categorized this way (non-profit) Gjs238 ( talk) 17:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:05, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: reverse merge.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
17:57, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Women sports commentators to Category:Women sports announcers
- Nominator's rationale: Two categories which serve the same purpose except that they use different terms (also
WP:OVERLAP). Merge the new one with the older one.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
09:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support, but I think we should leave a redirect.
Mason (
talk)
12:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 13:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support, but I think we should leave a redirect.
Mason (
talk)
12:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 19:00, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect but the other way round - commentators is used by the parent category. SportingFlyer T· C 21:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- That is a good point - reverse merge appears to be a better solution. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ SportingFlyer, definitely agree. My plan actually was that we should merge this as is because the target category is the older of the two (someone told me a while back that the older category's history should be preserved if possible) and then speedy rename it to "Women sports commentators". Omnis Scientia ( talk) 22:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Women sports announcers.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 13:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)- @ HouseBlaster, that is unnecessary, I think. I was planning on speedy renaming Category:Women sports announcers to "Women sports commentators" if and after the merger goes through. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 18:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 28#Category:Islamic Rationalists
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 04:09, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Almost none of the articles here are actually codenames, just characters with false identities. An alternative might be moving it to Category:Fictional pseudonymous characters and reparenting it to Category:Pseudonyms, but I'm unsure if that's defining. Note: Deletion/move implies all subcategories would be deleted or moved in the same way. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 10:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Untrue,
Ghostface (identity) is not a single character.
★Trekker (
talk)
15:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that Ghostface isn't a "character", he is a fictional character whose role is taken by various people in-universe by wearing the mask. (identity) takes an overly in-universe perspective - from the audience's perspective he is still a character. I've created an RM to that effect suggesting the moves be rolled back.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
17:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless of whether the move succeeds, a single article is insufficient to justify a whole category. That can simply be moved to Category:Pseudonyms. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 17:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that Ghostface isn't a "character", he is a fictional character whose role is taken by various people in-universe by wearing the mask. (identity) takes an overly in-universe perspective - from the audience's perspective he is still a character. I've created an RM to that effect suggesting the moves be rolled back.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
17:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, or at least purge articles about characters. I assume that after purging too little is left to keep the category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:54, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 29#Politicians convicted of war crimes
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- The result of the discussion was: Speedy Keep. Nomination withdrawn (non-admin closure) Let'srun ( talk) 03:27, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Only two members in the category are redirects; not a useful layer for navigation.
Let'srun (
talk)
04:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Jweiss11's comments. ~WikiOriginal-9~ ( talk) 21:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; part of well-defined, highly-structured categorization scheme. Jweiss11 ( talk) 04:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Merge, a category with just redirects is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle, those redirects bring the users to 1946 New Mexico Conference football season and 2022 Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference football season, which contain detailed content about Adams State football seasons. Seems pretty helpful for navigation. Jweiss11 ( talk) 06:21, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Update: this category now contains five items including three stand-alone articles. Let'srun, is that sufficient for you to withdraw this nomination? Marcocapelle, would you like to revise your stance here? Jweiss11 ( talk) 17:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, then I'll strike my vote. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Jweiss. Useful for navigation and we need to consider that the category itself is a subcat which helps with navigation. If merged the target is category would not be added to all the categories of the one being merged, which would hinder navigation. Merging would be a net negative to the encyclopedia. Hey man im josh ( talk) 00:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep nom rationale is no longer valid. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 03:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete (pick your favorite term).
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
17:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fairfield Stags volleyball to Category:Fairfield Stags
- Nominator's rationale: Only one page is in this category.
Let'srun (
talk)
04:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Upon further investigation, I have chosen to PROD the only article in the category. Let'srun ( talk) 04:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom if the article is not deleted. – Aidan721 ( talk) 18:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category is emptied so there is nothing to Merge. Liz Read! Talk! 05:05, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (Note that
WP:RELIST says it
should not be a substitute for a no consensus closure. If the closer feels there has been substantive discussion, and disparate opinions supported by policy have been expressed, but consensus has not been achieved, a no-consensus close may be preferable.
) (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 01:17, 29 February 2024 (UTC) - Nominator's rationale: Only one member in category. Let'srun ( talk) 04:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; part of well-defined, highly-structured categorization scheme. Jweiss11 ( talk) 04:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, a category with only one member is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:05, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. –
Aidan721 (
talk)
18:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. "part of well-defined, highly-structured categorization scheme." is not a good reason by itself.
Mason (
talk)
20:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- But the fact that merging would severely reduce navigation aid - the whole purpose of having categories - is an excellent reason. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. "part of well-defined, highly-structured categorization scheme." is not a good reason by itself.
Mason (
talk)
20:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. SportingFlyer T· C 23:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Jweiss. Useful for navigation and we need to consider that the category itself is a subcat which helps with navigation. If merged the target is category would not be added to all the categories of the one being merged, which would hinder navigation. Merging would be a net negative to the encyclopedia. Hey man im josh ( talk) 00:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Hey man im josh, merging is not going to improve the pedia. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 03:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Merging this will not help navigation at all - it will only make it more difficult to navigate articles, something that goes against the purpose of the entire reason we have categories. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 28#Category:Coe Kohawks football seasons
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- The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Lists of Kosovan women to Category:Kosovan women and Category:Lists of Kosovan people
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 03:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, a category with only one member is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Taiwanese drama television series - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 02:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, only one article is in this category next to the target. However then add the subcategory under Category:Taiwanese fiction. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk) 07:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#Category:Professional Women's Hockey Players Association players
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Only member of the 16th-century category is only notable in the 17th-century, whereas the member of the 19th-century category isn't notable until the 20th century. Mason ( talk) 02:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Besides James Riabhach Darcy's occupation as a farmer is not even mentioned in the article. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk) 07:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:History of agriculture.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:17th-century Polish farmers to Category:Polish farmers
- Propose merging Category:16th-century Polish farmers to Category:Polish farmers
- Nominator's rationale: There are no actual farmers in these categories, just a page about Serfdom in Poland (and a 1651 peasant revolt) Mason ( talk) 02:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Alt merge to
Category:History of agriculture since these are topic articles.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:27, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Even better! Mason ( talk) 20:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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