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Agree Seven sister state is just an informal term used to refer to northeast states excluding Sikkim. There is no need for this category as it is never been approved by the 7 governments of respective state neither by government of India. — Preceding
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Delete unnecessary and non-notable intersection between religion or ethnicity, nationality, and career. Do Jewish American basketball people do things differently than their Gentile counterparts? if so, prove it.
WP:OCEGRS.
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Nominator's rationale: Categories grouping television stations on a former characteristic that isn't a useful or defining grouping. Affiliate stations can drop a network affiliation and reaffiliate with another network almost literally at will, and even owned and operated stations can very easily be sold to different owners, so it's not useful to categorize television stations by former network affiliations that they don't carry anymore -- that can lead to extreme category bloat, because stations have sometimes been affiliated with numerous different networks over the course of their histories. Even after having randomly spotchecked just four articles, I've already found one station (
KELO-TV) which is catted in four of these at the same time, and one (
KULR-TV) which is catted in five of them — and at least in theory, it would be within the realm of possibility for a station to have to be catted in all 12 of them. So for the same reasons that we don't categorize radio or television stations by past owners or radio stations by dropped formats, we categorize television stations only for their current (or last, in the case of a defunct station) network affiliation, and don't pile on extra categories for past ones. No objection to listifying if desired, but this isn't the category system's job.
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Comment I was prepared to defend the DuMont one until I started clicking through the category:
KENS#History and many others have "secondary affiliations" where they carried a few programs for a network and which means they are categorized under each which is definitely non-defining. Interested in other editor's viewpoints on primary affiliations.
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Nominator's rationale: Category grouping television stations (and some "lists of transmitters" that are really just redirects to television stations) on a former characteristic that isn't a useful or defining grouping. Affiliate stations can drop a network affiliation and reaffiliate with another network almost literally at will, and even owned and operated stations can very easily be sold to different owners, so it's not useful to categorize television stations by former network affiliations that they don't carry anymore -- that can lead to extreme category bloat, because stations have sometimes been affiliated with numerous different networks over the course of their histories. So for the same reasons that we don't categorize radio or television stations by past owners or radio stations by dropped formats, we categorize television stations only for their current (or last, in the case of a defunct station) network affiliation, and don't pile on extra categories for past ones. And for an even more concrete example of why this is not a good idea, there are stations in here (
CHCH-DT, frex) that literally haven't been CBC-affilated since the 1960s, and thus aren't permanently defined by that association. The argument that this should be kept because we do this in the United States, which is likely to be attempted by the creator of this, also does not wash: the similar categories that exist for the United States were virtually all created within the past few months by the same person who created this one, and consensus was always against this in the past for precisely the reasons I outlined above. So it's not that this needs to be kept because similar categories also exist for the American networks -- it's that the American categories also need to be deleted for the same reasons, although I'll be batching them in a separate discussion.
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Category:Political figures of Richmond, California
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Support, while it is well-intended to separate politicians active as a politician somewhere from politicians born and raised somewhere, we do not make this distinction anywhere else.
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In 2015 and '16 a lot of time, mine and other editors, was spent on testing rcat templates to make sure they worked as they should both within and outside the shell template (presently named "Redirect category shell"). Haven't used this category for a long time, so merging it into the "Redirect templates" category is fine with me. I would only say "keep" if other editors were to chime in and say they are still using it for testing purposes. P.I. Ellsworthed.put'r there12:10, 3 June 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Three Rivers Community College (Missouri)
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Nominator's rationale: Adams State College was renamed to Adams State University in 2015. The precedent is to use schools' modern names for all historical alumni.
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Category:Meadowbrook Polo Club
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Category:Death of George Floyd
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Nominator's rationale: While I could imagine putting this in Speedy renaming after the article was moved from
Death of George Floyd to
Killing of George Floyd, I expect some editors will want to debate it. That said, if an admin decides it should be renamed in two days per C2D, that is certainly fine with me.--
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Support It's a no-brainer. The rationale for renaming this section is the same as the article, so if the article has been renamed, this should too.
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Support As stated above, and considering that many reliable sources agree that George Floyd was killed, this category should be moved.
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Nominator's rationale: "Sexual orientation" mostly applies to the L, G, and B and is a subset of LGBT. "LGBT and society" makes more sense as a parent category, not a child of this one. But this one contains some LGBT subcategories and articles that go beyond the scope of just sexual orientation. Given that many but not all articles span both, it's probably most natural just to merge up into "LGBT and society". --
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If kept, reverse the hierarchy (make LGBT the parent category of sexual orientation) and move some content from sexual orientation to LGBT.
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There is nothing about heterosexuality in the category. There is also nothing about transgender in the category (the T of LGBT is unrelated to sexual orientation) so that's why I said it should be a subset of LGBT. But if we cannot reach consensus about the hierarchy, that would be even more reason to merge.
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Comment In theory, I get the idea that this would also include straight/asexual content. In practice, the nominator is correct that this is LGBTQ content.
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I agree with Marcocapelle that, while we have lots of content on the encyclopedia that is about heterosexuals and heterosexuality, in practice this category is the same as LGBT. –
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Marcocapelle: Good point. Until recently,
Category:Adult films was a soft redirect to Films about sexuality. However in this acception adult is a mere euphemism for erotic or pornographic films, which are otherwise correctly categorized by genre as such. There are other art forms such as animation or comics where the word adult is clearly used to describe works that are not oriented towards a young audience but that cover a wide variety of topics and genres that are not sexual in nature, I would therefore not rule out the room for a demographic/audience category scheme (that's a lot of negatives). The main concern behind this nomination is the duplicate.
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So currently, adult animation is the only content that certainly does not belong in a "by genre" category. That sounds like merging (while purging adult animation) is also an option to consider.
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Comics are also a form of art where the adult target would be defining regardless of genre, at least for Franco-Belgian comics which I know better.
Category:Adult comics is currently poorly parented imho, but
Category:Anime and manga by demographic is definitely one such category by readership and not by genre. I guess that in cinema or television, non-sexual adult films are probably the mainstream type of films, so this characteristic would not be defining.
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Comment by age group is really a ratings (in countries where there are such) categories, do we want to do that as different content triggers different ratings (violence doesn't trigger much ratings fuss in the US but nudity does; in Scandinavia it seems the other way around). I don't think that certain ratings (other than adult, where age restrictions preclude minors from attending) denote the demographic of the audience and many films work on several levels (Shrek comes to mind).
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Oppose Mudskipper and Oxudercinae are not synonymous, all of the mudskippers are members of the subfamily but not all of the members of the subfamily are called mudskippers, some are called gobies and many don't have common names.
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Oppose possibly reverse merge. "Mudskippers" is ambiguous - is it a taxon, fish with a particular name or fish with a particular characteristic? See Plovers CFD below. DexDor(talk)20:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Transformers: Chojin Masterforce character redirects to lists
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The 4 articles are already in scientifically-named categories so no merge is necessary. Categories using scientific names are generally better than those using common names as they are more clearly defined and form a complete non-overlapping set. A non-specialist can go to the
Plover article and from there go to the (scientifically-named) category (or just use normal hyperlinks to other articles). DexDor(talk)19:33, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Houses in Lynnfield, Massachusetts
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Dual merge per nom. @
Namiba: please use the standard nomination format "Propose merging X to Y and Z" to make the merge targets crystal clear to everyone.
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Language of countries
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Nominator's rationale: merge/rename/delete, the categories initially stroke me as oddly-named because the "of country" format almost suggests that languages are owned by countries. In fact for all of them more natural merge or rename targets are possible, as indicated. These container categories may have been created in order to make it more explicit that expatriate content is also allowed, but the articles are in a language subfolder which allows expatriate content anyway. So if that was behind it, it was a nice thought but not effective.
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Keep - it is a nice idea. As the nom says, the subcats have expatriate contents so the parent categories cannot be 'in India' etc. These are 'Mass media' subcatted by 'language of India' as opposed to 'Mass media in India' subcatted by 'language'. Different. If the nom thinks "of country" is not suitable for languages, then
Category:Languages of Malawi etc would be the place to start.
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For the record, the scope is not duplicated. The first category states, This category is part of
Category:Categories by language of India which covers worldwide articles on media and other subjects by the major languages originating in India, including broadcasting and publications outside India.
If merged, the primary target for the first one should not be as nominated, but matching the current name without the country, I.e.
Category:Mass media by language of India to
Category:Mass media by language – as it is currently a diffusing sub-cat of the latter. Manual merging and further work would also be needed re other parents.
As for the nominated target
Category:Mass media in India by language, it is currently used for "mass media in India by medium and language". If we want a category for "mass media in India by language and medium", whether merged into the former or kept separate, some of the language categories would require splitting into India-specific sub-cats, N.B. Tamil (also covers Sri Lanka, Malaysia and sundry others) and Urdu (Pakistan as well as India). This has been partly done e.g. for newspapers – see the sub-cats of the newspaper category nominated above. –
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Category:Canada's Sports Hall of Fame inductees
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Canada's Sports Hall of Fame recognizes Canadian athletes for their performance much earlier in their lives. This category groups athletes from different sports and different eras in one large category while the articles are already well grouped under their respective sports which better aid navigation:
Gordie Howe is in 16 hockey categories,
Barbara Wagner is in 13 skating & Olympic cats, and
Ferguson Jenkins is in 29 baseball cats. This award tends to get mentioned in a list with other awards, although there are exceptions where it's in the lede or omitted entirely, so it doesn't seem generally defining. The contents of the category are already listified at
List of members of Canada's Sports Hall of Fame. -
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Category:Jack Kirby Hall of Fame inductees
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The
Jack Kirby Hall of Fame was an award from 1989 to 2001 named after
Jack Kirby that recognized long careers as comic book artists. Like most halls of fame, this award reflects the fame of people that are already prominent in their profession and isn't defining. That's reflected in the articles where this award is generally listed in passing with other hall of fame inductions (Over the course
of a weekend, one enthusiastic editor moved that awards paragraph to the intro for about half of these articles though.) The contents of the category are already
listified here for any reader interested in the topic. -
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*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to
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Agree Seven sister state is just an informal term used to refer to northeast states excluding Sikkim. There is no need for this category as it is never been approved by the 7 governments of respective state neither by government of India. — Preceding
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Category:Jewish American basketball people
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Delete unnecessary and non-notable intersection between religion or ethnicity, nationality, and career. Do Jewish American basketball people do things differently than their Gentile counterparts? if so, prove it.
WP:OCEGRS.
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American television stations by former network affiliation
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Nominator's rationale: Categories grouping television stations on a former characteristic that isn't a useful or defining grouping. Affiliate stations can drop a network affiliation and reaffiliate with another network almost literally at will, and even owned and operated stations can very easily be sold to different owners, so it's not useful to categorize television stations by former network affiliations that they don't carry anymore -- that can lead to extreme category bloat, because stations have sometimes been affiliated with numerous different networks over the course of their histories. Even after having randomly spotchecked just four articles, I've already found one station (
KELO-TV) which is catted in four of these at the same time, and one (
KULR-TV) which is catted in five of them — and at least in theory, it would be within the realm of possibility for a station to have to be catted in all 12 of them. So for the same reasons that we don't categorize radio or television stations by past owners or radio stations by dropped formats, we categorize television stations only for their current (or last, in the case of a defunct station) network affiliation, and don't pile on extra categories for past ones. No objection to listifying if desired, but this isn't the category system's job.
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Comment I was prepared to defend the DuMont one until I started clicking through the category:
KENS#History and many others have "secondary affiliations" where they carried a few programs for a network and which means they are categorized under each which is definitely non-defining. Interested in other editor's viewpoints on primary affiliations.
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Nominator's rationale: Category grouping television stations (and some "lists of transmitters" that are really just redirects to television stations) on a former characteristic that isn't a useful or defining grouping. Affiliate stations can drop a network affiliation and reaffiliate with another network almost literally at will, and even owned and operated stations can very easily be sold to different owners, so it's not useful to categorize television stations by former network affiliations that they don't carry anymore -- that can lead to extreme category bloat, because stations have sometimes been affiliated with numerous different networks over the course of their histories. So for the same reasons that we don't categorize radio or television stations by past owners or radio stations by dropped formats, we categorize television stations only for their current (or last, in the case of a defunct station) network affiliation, and don't pile on extra categories for past ones. And for an even more concrete example of why this is not a good idea, there are stations in here (
CHCH-DT, frex) that literally haven't been CBC-affilated since the 1960s, and thus aren't permanently defined by that association. The argument that this should be kept because we do this in the United States, which is likely to be attempted by the creator of this, also does not wash: the similar categories that exist for the United States were virtually all created within the past few months by the same person who created this one, and consensus was always against this in the past for precisely the reasons I outlined above. So it's not that this needs to be kept because similar categories also exist for the American networks -- it's that the American categories also need to be deleted for the same reasons, although I'll be batching them in a separate discussion.
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Category:Political figures of Richmond, California
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Support, while it is well-intended to separate politicians active as a politician somewhere from politicians born and raised somewhere, we do not make this distinction anywhere else.
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Category:Redirect category templates
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In 2015 and '16 a lot of time, mine and other editors, was spent on testing rcat templates to make sure they worked as they should both within and outside the shell template (presently named "Redirect category shell"). Haven't used this category for a long time, so merging it into the "Redirect templates" category is fine with me. I would only say "keep" if other editors were to chime in and say they are still using it for testing purposes. P.I. Ellsworthed.put'r there12:10, 3 June 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Three Rivers Community College (Missouri)
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Category:Adams State College alumni
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Nominator's rationale: Adams State College was renamed to Adams State University in 2015. The precedent is to use schools' modern names for all historical alumni.
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Category:Meadowbrook Polo Club
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Category:Death of George Floyd
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Nominator's rationale: While I could imagine putting this in Speedy renaming after the article was moved from
Death of George Floyd to
Killing of George Floyd, I expect some editors will want to debate it. That said, if an admin decides it should be renamed in two days per C2D, that is certainly fine with me.--
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Support It's a no-brainer. The rationale for renaming this section is the same as the article, so if the article has been renamed, this should too.
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23:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Support As stated above, and considering that many reliable sources agree that George Floyd was killed, this category should be moved.
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Category:Scotty Emerick songs
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Category:Shelly Fairchild songs
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Category:Holocaust plays
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Category:Sexual orientation and society
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Nominator's rationale: "Sexual orientation" mostly applies to the L, G, and B and is a subset of LGBT. "LGBT and society" makes more sense as a parent category, not a child of this one. But this one contains some LGBT subcategories and articles that go beyond the scope of just sexual orientation. Given that many but not all articles span both, it's probably most natural just to merge up into "LGBT and society". --
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If kept, reverse the hierarchy (make LGBT the parent category of sexual orientation) and move some content from sexual orientation to LGBT.
Marcocapelle (
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04:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)reply
There is nothing about heterosexuality in the category. There is also nothing about transgender in the category (the T of LGBT is unrelated to sexual orientation) so that's why I said it should be a subset of LGBT. But if we cannot reach consensus about the hierarchy, that would be even more reason to merge.
Marcocapelle (
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17:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment In theory, I get the idea that this would also include straight/asexual content. In practice, the nominator is correct that this is LGBTQ content.
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10:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)reply
I agree with Marcocapelle that, while we have lots of content on the encyclopedia that is about heterosexuals and heterosexuality, in practice this category is the same as LGBT. –
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Films by demographic audience
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@
Marcocapelle: Good point. Until recently,
Category:Adult films was a soft redirect to Films about sexuality. However in this acception adult is a mere euphemism for erotic or pornographic films, which are otherwise correctly categorized by genre as such. There are other art forms such as animation or comics where the word adult is clearly used to describe works that are not oriented towards a young audience but that cover a wide variety of topics and genres that are not sexual in nature, I would therefore not rule out the room for a demographic/audience category scheme (that's a lot of negatives). The main concern behind this nomination is the duplicate.
Place Clichy (
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So currently, adult animation is the only content that certainly does not belong in a "by genre" category. That sounds like merging (while purging adult animation) is also an option to consider.
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Comics are also a form of art where the adult target would be defining regardless of genre, at least for Franco-Belgian comics which I know better.
Category:Adult comics is currently poorly parented imho, but
Category:Anime and manga by demographic is definitely one such category by readership and not by genre. I guess that in cinema or television, non-sexual adult films are probably the mainstream type of films, so this characteristic would not be defining.
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Comment by age group is really a ratings (in countries where there are such) categories, do we want to do that as different content triggers different ratings (violence doesn't trigger much ratings fuss in the US but nudity does; in Scandinavia it seems the other way around). I don't think that certain ratings (other than adult, where age restrictions preclude minors from attending) denote the demographic of the audience and many films work on several levels (Shrek comes to mind).
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Category:Oxudercinae
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Oppose Mudskipper and Oxudercinae are not synonymous, all of the mudskippers are members of the subfamily but not all of the members of the subfamily are called mudskippers, some are called gobies and many don't have common names.
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Oppose possibly reverse merge. "Mudskippers" is ambiguous - is it a taxon, fish with a particular name or fish with a particular characteristic? See Plovers CFD below. DexDor(talk)20:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Transformers: Chojin Masterforce character redirects to lists
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The 4 articles are already in scientifically-named categories so no merge is necessary. Categories using scientific names are generally better than those using common names as they are more clearly defined and form a complete non-overlapping set. A non-specialist can go to the
Plover article and from there go to the (scientifically-named) category (or just use normal hyperlinks to other articles). DexDor(talk)19:33, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Houses in Lynnfield, Massachusetts
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Dual merge per nom. @
Namiba: please use the standard nomination format "Propose merging X to Y and Z" to make the merge targets crystal clear to everyone.
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Language of countries
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Nominator's rationale: merge/rename/delete, the categories initially stroke me as oddly-named because the "of country" format almost suggests that languages are owned by countries. In fact for all of them more natural merge or rename targets are possible, as indicated. These container categories may have been created in order to make it more explicit that expatriate content is also allowed, but the articles are in a language subfolder which allows expatriate content anyway. So if that was behind it, it was a nice thought but not effective.
Marcocapelle (
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06:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep - it is a nice idea. As the nom says, the subcats have expatriate contents so the parent categories cannot be 'in India' etc. These are 'Mass media' subcatted by 'language of India' as opposed to 'Mass media in India' subcatted by 'language'. Different. If the nom thinks "of country" is not suitable for languages, then
Category:Languages of Malawi etc would be the place to start.
Oculi (
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07:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)reply
For the record, the scope is not duplicated. The first category states, This category is part of
Category:Categories by language of India which covers worldwide articles on media and other subjects by the major languages originating in India, including broadcasting and publications outside India.
If merged, the primary target for the first one should not be as nominated, but matching the current name without the country, I.e.
Category:Mass media by language of India to
Category:Mass media by language – as it is currently a diffusing sub-cat of the latter. Manual merging and further work would also be needed re other parents.
As for the nominated target
Category:Mass media in India by language, it is currently used for "mass media in India by medium and language". If we want a category for "mass media in India by language and medium", whether merged into the former or kept separate, some of the language categories would require splitting into India-specific sub-cats, N.B. Tamil (also covers Sri Lanka, Malaysia and sundry others) and Urdu (Pakistan as well as India). This has been partly done e.g. for newspapers – see the sub-cats of the newspaper category nominated above. –
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Category:Canada's Sports Hall of Fame inductees
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The
Canada's Sports Hall of Fame recognizes Canadian athletes for their performance much earlier in their lives. This category groups athletes from different sports and different eras in one large category while the articles are already well grouped under their respective sports which better aid navigation:
Gordie Howe is in 16 hockey categories,
Barbara Wagner is in 13 skating & Olympic cats, and
Ferguson Jenkins is in 29 baseball cats. This award tends to get mentioned in a list with other awards, although there are exceptions where it's in the lede or omitted entirely, so it doesn't seem generally defining. The contents of the category are already listified at
List of members of Canada's Sports Hall of Fame. -
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Category:Jack Kirby Hall of Fame inductees
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The
Jack Kirby Hall of Fame was an award from 1989 to 2001 named after
Jack Kirby that recognized long careers as comic book artists. Like most halls of fame, this award reflects the fame of people that are already prominent in their profession and isn't defining. That's reflected in the articles where this award is generally listed in passing with other hall of fame inductions (Over the course
of a weekend, one enthusiastic editor moved that awards paragraph to the intro for about half of these articles though.) The contents of the category are already
listified here for any reader interested in the topic. -
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*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to
WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome
here. -RD
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