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The result was speedy keep per WP:SK#1. Nomination withdrawn with no outstanding delete !votes. ( Non-administrator closure.) NorthAmerica 1000 01:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
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Deprodded. As I noted in my prod: "This person doesn't seem to pass WP:N, failing WP:BIO including Wikipedia:Notability (creative professionals) requirements." Hosting Eurovision Contests does not seem, IMHO, to significant anything but high-profile but not-notable career achievements. If she is a Dutch TV icon, an influential figure, or such, proper sources should be presented. The current source ( [1]) mentions her once - in passing and is hardly satisfactory. I couldn't find any significant English coverage, and neither I am seeing it in other languages, through help from Dutch speakers would be appreciated. Dutch Wikipedia's article, while a bit longer, does not seem reliably referenced. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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Keep: As being the hostess of one of Europe's most recognised television shows, this article should not be deleted. I have found 2 valuable sources http://www.mediacourant.nl/?p=132905 and http://www.beeldengeluidwiki.nl/index.php/Willy_Dobbe, which are both in the Dutch language. I will try to extend it ASAP.
You'll be pleased to know, that I have now extended the article Mrluke485 ( talk) 12:21, 11 June 2014 (CET)
- Keep I agree completely with Piotrus that hosting a songfestival is, IMHO, not sufficient to make somebody notable. The Dutch WP is often of little help, given the (very) lax sourcing standards there. In any case, the article was incorrect in stating that this was what she is mostly known for. She is much better known as announcer and presenter of programs like Zevensprong. I have found some sources (at least two of them are RS and in national Dutch newspapers), which should be enough to pass GNG. -- Randykitty ( talk) 13:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- PS: I removed the second source added by Mrluke485, because that is a wiki consisting of user-contributed content and hence not a reliable source. -- Randykitty ( talk) 13:35, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- @ Mrluke485 and Randykitty: Thanks to your expansions I am now ready to withdraw the nom. , Mrluke485, please study the edits by Randykitty - they do a much better job proving that the subject was notable. What we are seeing now is that many of your articles I tagged as notable are notable, but you are not making it clear in them. If you could expand more of your past articles like such, we wouldn't need to bring them here. Let me know if you intend to work on them, and I can delay reviewing of your work for few months. I do want us to keep them, and not to see your work wasted, but we have to respect WP:BIO. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:02, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus I did extend the article though, before Randykitty also extended it. However I thank him for his help. But what also doesn't get to me is why have you waited until now to propose my article for deletion, when you had more time to it, when I first created them. Mrluke485 ( talk) 12:16, 12 June 2014 (CET)
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The result was speedy keep per WP:SK#1. Nomination withdrawn with no outstanding delete !votes. ( Non-administrator closure.) NorthAmerica 1000 01:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
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Deprodded. As I noted in my prod: "This person doesn't seem to pass WP:N, failing WP:BIO including Wikipedia:Notability (creative professionals) requirements." Hosting Eurovision Contests does not seem, IMHO, to significant anything but high-profile but not-notable career achievements. If she is a Dutch TV icon, an influential figure, or such, proper sources should be presented. The current source ( [1]) mentions her once - in passing and is hardly satisfactory. I couldn't find any significant English coverage, and neither I am seeing it in other languages, through help from Dutch speakers would be appreciated. Dutch Wikipedia's article, while a bit longer, does not seem reliably referenced. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 20:04, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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Keep: As being the hostess of one of Europe's most recognised television shows, this article should not be deleted. I have found 2 valuable sources http://www.mediacourant.nl/?p=132905 and http://www.beeldengeluidwiki.nl/index.php/Willy_Dobbe, which are both in the Dutch language. I will try to extend it ASAP.
You'll be pleased to know, that I have now extended the article Mrluke485 ( talk) 12:21, 11 June 2014 (CET)
- Keep I agree completely with Piotrus that hosting a songfestival is, IMHO, not sufficient to make somebody notable. The Dutch WP is often of little help, given the (very) lax sourcing standards there. In any case, the article was incorrect in stating that this was what she is mostly known for. She is much better known as announcer and presenter of programs like Zevensprong. I have found some sources (at least two of them are RS and in national Dutch newspapers), which should be enough to pass GNG. -- Randykitty ( talk) 13:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- PS: I removed the second source added by Mrluke485, because that is a wiki consisting of user-contributed content and hence not a reliable source. -- Randykitty ( talk) 13:35, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- @ Mrluke485 and Randykitty: Thanks to your expansions I am now ready to withdraw the nom. , Mrluke485, please study the edits by Randykitty - they do a much better job proving that the subject was notable. What we are seeing now is that many of your articles I tagged as notable are notable, but you are not making it clear in them. If you could expand more of your past articles like such, we wouldn't need to bring them here. Let me know if you intend to work on them, and I can delay reviewing of your work for few months. I do want us to keep them, and not to see your work wasted, but we have to respect WP:BIO. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:02, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus I did extend the article though, before Randykitty also extended it. However I thank him for his help. But what also doesn't get to me is why have you waited until now to propose my article for deletion, when you had more time to it, when I first created them. Mrluke485 ( talk) 12:16, 12 June 2014 (CET)
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