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The result was speedy keep. Closing this on the basis of WP:CSK #3 - a call for deletion with no other explanation or a call for splitting cannot be considered an "accurate deletion rationale", especially given the SIGCOV reliable sourcing shown to exist. Discussion on splitting can continue at the article's talk page. Regards, (non-admin closure) Goldsztajn ( talk) 21:53, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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The page contains the biography of two brothers. The page should be split or deleted. Changeworld1984 ( talk) 04:16, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment If you're saying that it should be deleted or split solely because it is a biography of two brothers, then that is not a valid reason for deletion. It is perfectly acceptable to have a biography on two closely connected people in the same article. I will note, however, that it is an unsourced biography. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse ( talk) 04:21, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:51, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Speedy keep: Per
WP:SK3. Nomination is flawed in innumerous ways. No
WP:BEFORE search was conducted; if even a perfunctory one was, the nominator would have found the corresponding articles in ru.wp (
ru:Щелкалов, Андрей Яковлевич and
ru:Щелкалов, Василий Яковлевич), which list a number of sources providing
WP:SIGCOV, including entries in the
Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (
[1]) and the
Russian Biographical Dictionary (
[2] and
[3]), among many others. Additionally, split proposals occur at the article's talk page, not at AfD.
Curbon7 (
talk)
07:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, a biographical article can have multiple subjects if they are strongly interlinked; examples include Sacco and Vanzetti and Mildred and Richard Loving. Curbon7 ( talk) 10:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Bilateral relations. Curbon7 ( talk) 07:11, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Curbon7. No objection to splitting as there is clearly enough material to make this possible. Mccapra ( talk) 07:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, a quick search returns a few sources that bundle the brothers together. On the other hand, the French and Russian Wikipedia currently have separate articles for each of them, so there may be some good reason for that as well. But more importantly, as pointed out by others, this is not a matter of deletion. Aintabli ( talk) 15:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was speedy keep. Closing this on the basis of WP:CSK #3 - a call for deletion with no other explanation or a call for splitting cannot be considered an "accurate deletion rationale", especially given the SIGCOV reliable sourcing shown to exist. Discussion on splitting can continue at the article's talk page. Regards, (non-admin closure) Goldsztajn ( talk) 21:53, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Vasily and Andrey Shchelkalov ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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The page contains the biography of two brothers. The page should be split or deleted. Changeworld1984 ( talk) 04:16, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment If you're saying that it should be deleted or split solely because it is a biography of two brothers, then that is not a valid reason for deletion. It is perfectly acceptable to have a biography on two closely connected people in the same article. I will note, however, that it is an unsourced biography. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse ( talk) 04:21, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:51, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:51, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:27, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep: Per
WP:SK3. Nomination is flawed in innumerous ways. No
WP:BEFORE search was conducted; if even a perfunctory one was, the nominator would have found the corresponding articles in ru.wp (
ru:Щелкалов, Андрей Яковлевич and
ru:Щелкалов, Василий Яковлевич), which list a number of sources providing
WP:SIGCOV, including entries in the
Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (
[1]) and the
Russian Biographical Dictionary (
[2] and
[3]), among many others. Additionally, split proposals occur at the article's talk page, not at AfD.
Curbon7 (
talk)
07:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, a biographical article can have multiple subjects if they are strongly interlinked; examples include Sacco and Vanzetti and Mildred and Richard Loving. Curbon7 ( talk) 10:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Bilateral relations. Curbon7 ( talk) 07:11, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Curbon7. No objection to splitting as there is clearly enough material to make this possible. Mccapra ( talk) 07:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, a quick search returns a few sources that bundle the brothers together. On the other hand, the French and Russian Wikipedia currently have separate articles for each of them, so there may be some good reason for that as well. But more importantly, as pointed out by others, this is not a matter of deletion. Aintabli ( talk) 15:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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