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The result was no consensus. Star Mississippi 20:15, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewed during new page patrol. No indication of notability under GNG or SNG. The small amount of prose in the article is not what it appears in places. It says " She released her single titled "Dare to Live" as Promotional Song for 2021 Summer World University Games." and linked to Dare to live and referenced and reference the promo album. However the song at the link was the original which hers was only a cover of, and she is not even mentioned at that article. Also she is not even mentioned at that album reference. The award she won was "Music Pioneer Awards" is flagged for notability and is one issued by a single radio station. Nothing even approaching a GNG type source. There is no material on her on album and the reference for it is a link to Spotify. Tagged by others for notability since April. North8000 ( talk) 22:13, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, and China. Shellwood ( talk) 22:25, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Delete The Chinese wiki article is about as long as this one and appears to have a track listing. Try as I might, I find no English sources for the singer. Delete unless other sources are found. Oaktree b ( talk) 02:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Looks like a UPE article. No streaming evidence, no social media coverage. Nothing comes on cse or before search on web. Fails WP:NSINGER, WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep Talk 07:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
- Hu, Minjuan 胡敏娟 (2021-11-12).
"和金牌制作人崔迪一起，从成都大运会创造"生命奇迹"" [Create a "miracle of life" from the Chengdu Universiade with gold medal producer Cui Di].
红星新闻 (in Chinese). Archived from
the original on 2022-06-20. Retrieved 2022-06-20 – via
Sohu.
The article notes from Google Translate: "This rhythm is bright and warm, full of vigor and vitality of the song, from the global Chinese song annual golden song producer Cui Di hand. ... In Cui Di's creative career, it is one of her few experiences to create with sports as an element, and it is her "first time" to create for an international sports event such as the Chengdu Universiade. ... In her spare time, Cui Di, who likes sports, also invites three or five friends to exercise together. While exercising, music also accompanies her. Tweedy believes that the relationship between music and sports has never been separated, and the two are a whole that promotes and promotes each other. ... International expression and Chinese culture and power are the two parts that Cui Di wanted to express in the process of creating "Dare to Live"."
- Robert 罗伯特 (2022-01-17).
"崔迪首获唱工委奖项提名，揭秘金牌唱作女声首专幕后" [Cui Di was nominated for the Singing Work Committee Award, revealing the behind-the-scenes of the gold medal singing female vocal debut].
Toutiao (in Chinese). Archived from
the original on 2022-06-20. Retrieved 2022-06-20 – via 吉祥日历.
The article notes from Google Translate: "Bel Rumore's female vocalist Cui Di was nominated for the "Best Electronic Music Album" award with her first solo album "TRADY 1.0". Following her nomination for the "Best Mandarin Female Newcomer Award" at the 13th Chinese Golden Melody Awards, she received another affirmation from the awards. ... Before appearing as a singer-songwriter, Cui Di won the reputation of "Gold Medal Female Producer" by creating many popular hits for singers such as Zhang Liangying, Han Geng, Yao Beina, Yu Kewei and so on. She has always dreamed of being a singer. Before the release of her first solo album "TRADY 1.0", she was invited to record Zhou Huajian's music album "Water Margin Trilogy", and also wrote for the animated film "Sidu" with the theme of the Revolutionary War. Chishui sang the theme song "Summoning". Her splendid performances in many musical works made her colleagues in the music circle sigh with emotion that Cui Di is not only a professional songwriter and music producer, but also a composer, arranger, performer and singer. , Production as one of the all-round female singer-songwriter. In 2018, with the encouragement of her musician husband Wan Jiaming, Cui Di began the preparations for this music album."
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"崔迪个人首张唱作专辑《TRADY 1.0》 先行曲《挣脱》全球同步发行" [Trady's first solo album "TRADY 1.0", the prelude song "Break Free", was released simultaneously worldwide]. 南方娱乐网 (in Chinese). 2020-01-06. Archived from
the original on 2022-06-20. Retrieved 2022-06-20.
The article notes from Google Translate: "At 0:00 on January 6, 2020, at the beginning of the past year, music producer Trady (TRADY)'s first solo album "TRADY 1.0", the prelude song "Break Free", was released simultaneously at home and abroad. ... The song incorporates a large number of modern retro synth sounds, and the Synthwave synth wave is strong and impactful, giving people a sense of power from the inside out. The rhythm of the whole song is dominated by the use of Roland drum machines and bass bass synthesizers, and the solid bass interprets a firm strength and confidence to break free from the injustice of fate."
- Qian, Hong 钱虹 (2020-07-30).
"音乐制作人崔迪首张专辑《TRADY 1.0》正式上线" [Music producer Trady's debut album "TRADY 1.0" officially launched]. 中国娱乐时报 (in Chinese). Archived from
the original on 2022-06-20. Retrieved 2022-06-20.
The article notes: "Music producer Cui Di, the first official album "TRADY 1.0" released as a singer, was released online at 0:00 on July 30, 2020. This is an album that has been carefully produced for two and a half years, and is personally written by Tweedy's husband, Wan Wan ..."
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"崔迪联手三大音乐人共同创作音乐先锋厂牌" [Cui Di teamed up with three major musicians to create a music pioneer label] (in Chinese).
Sina Corporation. 2011-01-26. Archived from
the original on 2022-06-20. Retrieved 2022-06-20.
The article notes: "Cui Di has produced many artist albums, including Han Geng's "Umbrella", Zhang Jingying's "Light" and many other excellent works. She and her friends Wan Jiaming, Li Zhiwei and Wang Zitong jointly established the cutting-edge music label "Making Sound". Cui Di also hopes to create a new music production label in the mainland to make a little contribution to the original music in the mainland, and also hopes that his works can be loved by more people."
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"制作人崔迪携陈楚生尚雯婕大玩韩流风(图)" [Producer Cui Di and Chen Chusheng and Shang Wenjie play Hallyu (Photo)] (in Chinese).
Sina Corporation. 2010-08-16. Archived from
the original on 2022-06-20. Retrieved 2022-06-20.
The article notes from Google Translate: "The albums that Cui Di has collaborated with and produced by domestic gold medal female producers include Han Geng's 2010 album "Geng. "Heart" title song "Umbrella" Producer:"
- Comment: I added these sources to the article and expanded the article. Cunard ( talk) 09:04, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: Just based on the awards it meets WP:MUSICBIO, but also Cunard has added more citations that would add to the notability. Zeddedm ( talk) 09:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 06:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'm not entirely sold on Cunard's sources, but it does indicate a possible case for WP:NCOMPOSER or WP:GNG.- KH-1 ( talk) 06:09, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Looking at the refs above, one is a notice of the album being released, another one is a classic bit of PR, one does seem to mention her, on the ref for the establishment of a new A&R company "Making Sound". the last one has Cuī Dí in the studio. None is typical of singer who has a career. It is all PR. They are very poor reference and dont constitute [WP:SIGCOV]]. Updating the article per
WP:HEYMANN with these references will make the article quality much worse.
scope_creep
Talk
20:47, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Before she became a singer, the subject was a music producer. According to
Toutiao, "Before appearing as a singer-songwriter, Cui Di won the reputation of "Gold Medal Female Producer" by creating many popular hits for singers such as
Jane Zhang,
Han Geng,
Yao Beina,
Yisa Yu and so on."
After she became a singer, her album received a nomination for "Best Electronic Music Album" at the CMIC Music Awards and she was nominated as "Best Mandarin Female Newcomer Award" at the Chinese Music Awards.
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says, "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". There is enough biographical coverage across a "combination" of these sources to show that the subject meets the guideline. Cunard ( talk) 10:02, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Before she became a singer, the subject was a music producer. According to
Toutiao, "Before appearing as a singer-songwriter, Cui Di won the reputation of "Gold Medal Female Producer" by creating many popular hits for singers such as
Jane Zhang,
Han Geng,
Yao Beina,
Yisa Yu and so on."
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 06:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Star Mississippi 20:15, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Trady ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Reviewed during new page patrol. No indication of notability under GNG or SNG. The small amount of prose in the article is not what it appears in places. It says " She released her single titled "Dare to Live" as Promotional Song for 2021 Summer World University Games." and linked to Dare to live and referenced and reference the promo album. However the song at the link was the original which hers was only a cover of, and she is not even mentioned at that article. Also she is not even mentioned at that album reference. The award she won was "Music Pioneer Awards" is flagged for notability and is one issued by a single radio station. Nothing even approaching a GNG type source. There is no material on her on album and the reference for it is a link to Spotify. Tagged by others for notability since April. North8000 ( talk) 22:13, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, and China. Shellwood ( talk) 22:25, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Delete The Chinese wiki article is about as long as this one and appears to have a track listing. Try as I might, I find no English sources for the singer. Delete unless other sources are found. Oaktree b ( talk) 02:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Looks like a UPE article. No streaming evidence, no social media coverage. Nothing comes on cse or before search on web. Fails WP:NSINGER, WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep Talk 07:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
- Hu, Minjuan 胡敏娟 (2021-11-12).
"和金牌制作人崔迪一起，从成都大运会创造"生命奇迹"" [Create a "miracle of life" from the Chengdu Universiade with gold medal producer Cui Di].
红星新闻 (in Chinese). Archived from
the original on 2022-06-20. Retrieved 2022-06-20 – via
Sohu.
The article notes from Google Translate: "This rhythm is bright and warm, full of vigor and vitality of the song, from the global Chinese song annual golden song producer Cui Di hand. ... In Cui Di's creative career, it is one of her few experiences to create with sports as an element, and it is her "first time" to create for an international sports event such as the Chengdu Universiade. ... In her spare time, Cui Di, who likes sports, also invites three or five friends to exercise together. While exercising, music also accompanies her. Tweedy believes that the relationship between music and sports has never been separated, and the two are a whole that promotes and promotes each other. ... International expression and Chinese culture and power are the two parts that Cui Di wanted to express in the process of creating "Dare to Live"."
- Robert 罗伯特 (2022-01-17).
"崔迪首获唱工委奖项提名，揭秘金牌唱作女声首专幕后" [Cui Di was nominated for the Singing Work Committee Award, revealing the behind-the-scenes of the gold medal singing female vocal debut].
Toutiao (in Chinese). Archived from
the original on 2022-06-20. Retrieved 2022-06-20 – via 吉祥日历.
The article notes from Google Translate: "Bel Rumore's female vocalist Cui Di was nominated for the "Best Electronic Music Album" award with her first solo album "TRADY 1.0". Following her nomination for the "Best Mandarin Female Newcomer Award" at the 13th Chinese Golden Melody Awards, she received another affirmation from the awards. ... Before appearing as a singer-songwriter, Cui Di won the reputation of "Gold Medal Female Producer" by creating many popular hits for singers such as Zhang Liangying, Han Geng, Yao Beina, Yu Kewei and so on. She has always dreamed of being a singer. Before the release of her first solo album "TRADY 1.0", she was invited to record Zhou Huajian's music album "Water Margin Trilogy", and also wrote for the animated film "Sidu" with the theme of the Revolutionary War. Chishui sang the theme song "Summoning". Her splendid performances in many musical works made her colleagues in the music circle sigh with emotion that Cui Di is not only a professional songwriter and music producer, but also a composer, arranger, performer and singer. , Production as one of the all-round female singer-songwriter. In 2018, with the encouragement of her musician husband Wan Jiaming, Cui Di began the preparations for this music album."
-
"崔迪个人首张唱作专辑《TRADY 1.0》 先行曲《挣脱》全球同步发行" [Trady's first solo album "TRADY 1.0", the prelude song "Break Free", was released simultaneously worldwide]. 南方娱乐网 (in Chinese). 2020-01-06. Archived from
the original on 2022-06-20. Retrieved 2022-06-20.
The article notes from Google Translate: "At 0:00 on January 6, 2020, at the beginning of the past year, music producer Trady (TRADY)'s first solo album "TRADY 1.0", the prelude song "Break Free", was released simultaneously at home and abroad. ... The song incorporates a large number of modern retro synth sounds, and the Synthwave synth wave is strong and impactful, giving people a sense of power from the inside out. The rhythm of the whole song is dominated by the use of Roland drum machines and bass bass synthesizers, and the solid bass interprets a firm strength and confidence to break free from the injustice of fate."
- Qian, Hong 钱虹 (2020-07-30).
"音乐制作人崔迪首张专辑《TRADY 1.0》正式上线" [Music producer Trady's debut album "TRADY 1.0" officially launched]. 中国娱乐时报 (in Chinese). Archived from
the original on 2022-06-20. Retrieved 2022-06-20.
The article notes: "Music producer Cui Di, the first official album "TRADY 1.0" released as a singer, was released online at 0:00 on July 30, 2020. This is an album that has been carefully produced for two and a half years, and is personally written by Tweedy's husband, Wan Wan ..."
-
"崔迪联手三大音乐人共同创作音乐先锋厂牌" [Cui Di teamed up with three major musicians to create a music pioneer label] (in Chinese).
Sina Corporation. 2011-01-26. Archived from
the original on 2022-06-20. Retrieved 2022-06-20.
The article notes: "Cui Di has produced many artist albums, including Han Geng's "Umbrella", Zhang Jingying's "Light" and many other excellent works. She and her friends Wan Jiaming, Li Zhiwei and Wang Zitong jointly established the cutting-edge music label "Making Sound". Cui Di also hopes to create a new music production label in the mainland to make a little contribution to the original music in the mainland, and also hopes that his works can be loved by more people."
-
"制作人崔迪携陈楚生尚雯婕大玩韩流风(图)" [Producer Cui Di and Chen Chusheng and Shang Wenjie play Hallyu (Photo)] (in Chinese).
Sina Corporation. 2010-08-16. Archived from
the original on 2022-06-20. Retrieved 2022-06-20.
The article notes from Google Translate: "The albums that Cui Di has collaborated with and produced by domestic gold medal female producers include Han Geng's 2010 album "Geng. "Heart" title song "Umbrella" Producer:"
- Comment: I added these sources to the article and expanded the article. Cunard ( talk) 09:04, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: Just based on the awards it meets WP:MUSICBIO, but also Cunard has added more citations that would add to the notability. Zeddedm ( talk) 09:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 06:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'm not entirely sold on Cunard's sources, but it does indicate a possible case for WP:NCOMPOSER or WP:GNG.- KH-1 ( talk) 06:09, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Looking at the refs above, one is a notice of the album being released, another one is a classic bit of PR, one does seem to mention her, on the ref for the establishment of a new A&R company "Making Sound". the last one has Cuī Dí in the studio. None is typical of singer who has a career. It is all PR. They are very poor reference and dont constitute [WP:SIGCOV]]. Updating the article per
WP:HEYMANN with these references will make the article quality much worse.
scope_creep
Talk
20:47, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Before she became a singer, the subject was a music producer. According to
Toutiao, "Before appearing as a singer-songwriter, Cui Di won the reputation of "Gold Medal Female Producer" by creating many popular hits for singers such as
Jane Zhang,
Han Geng,
Yao Beina,
Yisa Yu and so on."
After she became a singer, her album received a nomination for "Best Electronic Music Album" at the CMIC Music Awards and she was nominated as "Best Mandarin Female Newcomer Award" at the Chinese Music Awards.
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says, "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". There is enough biographical coverage across a "combination" of these sources to show that the subject meets the guideline. Cunard ( talk) 10:02, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Before she became a singer, the subject was a music producer. According to
Toutiao, "Before appearing as a singer-songwriter, Cui Di won the reputation of "Gold Medal Female Producer" by creating many popular hits for singers such as
Jane Zhang,
Han Geng,
Yao Beina,
Yisa Yu and so on."
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 06:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.