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The result was keep. Star Mississippi 22:45, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Támar
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She appears to have worked with notable artists, but
that alone is not enough to warrant her own article; and redirecting her article to either
Prince (musician) or
Destiny's Child (of which she was apparently an early member of) seems like a stretch. Speaking of the latter point, that information (as well as virtually all of the historical sections of the article) is unsourced and was added by IPs. (Speaking of that, I didn't notify anyone on a talk page because it doesn't appear that there are any regular editors for the article.) Erpert
blah, blah, blah...
12:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 12:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, and Texas. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Grammy nominee with coverage in independent reliable sources. What more do you want?
duffbeerforme (
talk)
07:21, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you're referring to "Beautiful, Loved and Blessed", that technically isn't her song; it's Prince featuring her. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 13:47, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep -
As noted above she is not "Grammy nominated" because she was only a guest on someone else's nominated song, but she describes herself as such at every opportunity.(EDIT: Maybe "Grammy nominated", see below.) She has performed professionally under at least four different names: Ashley Tamar, Ashley Tamar Davis, Tamar Davis, and simply Tamar, which probably has not helped her career. She also regularly exaggerates herself as an early member of Destiny's Child (false, she was in their predecessor group) and "protege" of Prince (false, she was a guest singer on that one song). Alas, after decades of self-aggrandizement and occasional achievements she has attracted a little in-depth media notice, including the two sources already in the article, plus these and a few others: [1], [2], [3]. Per WP policy on minor celebrities there seems to be enough to not delete the article, which is not exactly a ringing endorsement but we might be stuck with it. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 16:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)- Keep. She has a Grammy nomination and a list of professional acting credits with national tours. 2600:8803:B601:EA00:7D17:5FB1:9D85:DEE8 ( talk) 19:49, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- User:Erpert and User:doomsdayer520. Let's look here at a list of nominees. What does it say? "Prince & Támar". Not just Prince. So if she is listed as a nominee isn't it safe to assume she actually is a nominee? Don't trust that list then try another one here. What does it say? "Prince & Támar". Not just Prince. So where are you getting the idea she was not nominated? duffbeerforme ( talk) 23:47, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- My perspective is that it's a Prince song from a Prince album, listed in all retail sources and Prince directories as "featuring Tamar", so regardless of what the Grammy lists say, Tamar's nomination is tangential. But if that is enough to say that she was "nominated" for WP purposes then I won't fight it. However, note that my vote in this AfD is essentially the same as yours. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS)
14:01, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- At any rate, I deleted all of the unsourced information from the article (which was, frankly, most of it). I wouldn't be against a redirect to Prince (musician) now though. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 13:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- My perspective is that it's a Prince song from a Prince album, listed in all retail sources and Prince directories as "featuring Tamar", so regardless of what the Grammy lists say, Tamar's nomination is tangential. But if that is enough to say that she was "nominated" for WP purposes then I won't fight it. However, note that my vote in this AfD is essentially the same as yours. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS)
14:01, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- She was nominated for a Grammy alongside Price. That in itself is significant enough to have her own page. I think the fact that she was a member of the group that became Destiny's Child is pretty relevant, too. She also has a fairly respectable acting/performing resume ( https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1483963/bio). This call for deletion feels like it stems from a personal beef with her. 2600:8803:B601:EA00:7D17:5FB1:9D85:DEE8 ( talk) 19:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I think it's worth relisting this discussion once. But I have no idea what this artist has to do with politics or "personal beefs". We deal with articles like this one every day at AFD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. As a Grammy Award nominee she passes criteria 1 of WP:ANYBIO. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:22, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Star Mississippi 22:45, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Támar
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She appears to have worked with notable artists, but
that alone is not enough to warrant her own article; and redirecting her article to either
Prince (musician) or
Destiny's Child (of which she was apparently an early member of) seems like a stretch. Speaking of the latter point, that information (as well as virtually all of the historical sections of the article) is unsourced and was added by IPs. (Speaking of that, I didn't notify anyone on a talk page because it doesn't appear that there are any regular editors for the article.) Erpert
blah, blah, blah...
12:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 12:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2022 June 17. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 13:00, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, and Texas. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Grammy nominee with coverage in independent reliable sources. What more do you want?
duffbeerforme (
talk)
07:21, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you're referring to "Beautiful, Loved and Blessed", that technically isn't her song; it's Prince featuring her. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 13:47, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep -
As noted above she is not "Grammy nominated" because she was only a guest on someone else's nominated song, but she describes herself as such at every opportunity.(EDIT: Maybe "Grammy nominated", see below.) She has performed professionally under at least four different names: Ashley Tamar, Ashley Tamar Davis, Tamar Davis, and simply Tamar, which probably has not helped her career. She also regularly exaggerates herself as an early member of Destiny's Child (false, she was in their predecessor group) and "protege" of Prince (false, she was a guest singer on that one song). Alas, after decades of self-aggrandizement and occasional achievements she has attracted a little in-depth media notice, including the two sources already in the article, plus these and a few others: [1], [2], [3]. Per WP policy on minor celebrities there seems to be enough to not delete the article, which is not exactly a ringing endorsement but we might be stuck with it. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 16:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)- Keep. She has a Grammy nomination and a list of professional acting credits with national tours. 2600:8803:B601:EA00:7D17:5FB1:9D85:DEE8 ( talk) 19:49, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- User:Erpert and User:doomsdayer520. Let's look here at a list of nominees. What does it say? "Prince & Támar". Not just Prince. So if she is listed as a nominee isn't it safe to assume she actually is a nominee? Don't trust that list then try another one here. What does it say? "Prince & Támar". Not just Prince. So where are you getting the idea she was not nominated? duffbeerforme ( talk) 23:47, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- My perspective is that it's a Prince song from a Prince album, listed in all retail sources and Prince directories as "featuring Tamar", so regardless of what the Grammy lists say, Tamar's nomination is tangential. But if that is enough to say that she was "nominated" for WP purposes then I won't fight it. However, note that my vote in this AfD is essentially the same as yours. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS)
14:01, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- At any rate, I deleted all of the unsourced information from the article (which was, frankly, most of it). I wouldn't be against a redirect to Prince (musician) now though. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 13:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- My perspective is that it's a Prince song from a Prince album, listed in all retail sources and Prince directories as "featuring Tamar", so regardless of what the Grammy lists say, Tamar's nomination is tangential. But if that is enough to say that she was "nominated" for WP purposes then I won't fight it. However, note that my vote in this AfD is essentially the same as yours. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS)
14:01, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- She was nominated for a Grammy alongside Price. That in itself is significant enough to have her own page. I think the fact that she was a member of the group that became Destiny's Child is pretty relevant, too. She also has a fairly respectable acting/performing resume ( https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1483963/bio). This call for deletion feels like it stems from a personal beef with her. 2600:8803:B601:EA00:7D17:5FB1:9D85:DEE8 ( talk) 19:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I think it's worth relisting this discussion once. But I have no idea what this artist has to do with politics or "personal beefs". We deal with articles like this one every day at AFD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. As a Grammy Award nominee she passes criteria 1 of WP:ANYBIO. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:22, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.