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The result was keep. Star Mississippi 02:42, 17 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Suzanna Kempner

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fails WP:GNG All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 23:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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• Keep on top of the British Comedy Guide piece already in the article, there's significant coverage in reviews under her stage name Sooz Kempner eg The Skinny, Broadway Baby, Chortle Mujinga ( talk) 23:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC) reply
• Keep There is quite clearly significant coverage in independent reliable sources currently used in the article, as well as those suggested above by Mujinga. Richard Nevell ( talk) 00:56, 10 January 2022 (UTC) reply
• Keep - sources indicate there is sufficient sigcov for the subject to meet WP:GNG and WP:N - Such-change47 ( talk) 02:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC) reply
• Comment Reviews of events don't pass WP:NOTNEWS. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 07:10, 10 January 2022 (UTC) reply
• Keep - And NOTNEWS would be applicable if Suzanna Kempner was a news event. However, she is not a news event, she is an actor, and so the relevant guideline is WP:NACTOR: "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." The article clearly demonstrates that she has. Gnomingstuff ( talk) 08:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC) reply

NOTNEWS isn't applicable solely to events. Please read it again. Also, which of her roles was notable? Literally none her roles would pass GNG. She doesn't pass GNG. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 22:06, 10 January 2022 (UTC) reply

• • I have read it many times. WP:NOTNEWS is meant to be used for breaking news about current events, people whose notability is derived from one current event, and trivia about current events. It does not supersede GNG or notability guidelines for people. Per WP:NACTOR, The Mikado is very obviously notable, and she played one of the significant named roles. Jerry Springer: The Opera is also notable (if you disagree, you should probably also nominate its article for deletion, though I don't think you'd be successful), and her role was significant enough to be mentioned by multiple unaffiliate reviewers and to have at least one solo number (i.e., not a generic chorus member/standin role), so this also counts toward WP:NACTOR #1. Et cetera for the other roles mentioned in the article and above. Gnomingstuff ( talk) 23:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Gnomingstuff - except she wasn't even in Jerry Springer the Opera, she simply worked with the composer. Her performance of The Mikado took place in a 96 seat venue and appears to have about three reviews when I do a search for it. There is no significant coverage of her, reviews of performances don't make her pass! Nobody has provided any significant coverage and that says it all. Because I've looked and it doesn't exist. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 07:12, 11 January 2022 (UTC) reply

@ ItsKesha: Why wouldn't reviews of her performances count towards notability? Richard Nevell ( talk) 19:29, 11 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Is a review of a performance coverage of her, or coverage of the performance? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 01:12, 14 January 2022 (UTC) reply

• Keep Per above. The page seems to meet notability guidelines for actors/entertainers. BuySomeApples ( talk) 02:23, 11 January 2022 (UTC) reply
• Keep -Sigcov for the subject to meet WP:GNG, lots of reviews, mentions in more substantial articles as well. Deathlibrarian ( talk) 05:52, 11 January 2022 (UTC) reply
• Keep, Per above, passes WP:GNG, Alex-h ( talk) 14:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC) reply
• Comment FAO closer So far, the comments are all keep. However, there are various points of contention in this. Firstly, voters saying there must be source is worthless, when absolutely none have been provided bar the first comment. But four/three paragraph reviews don't demonstrate notability/significant coverage, and routine reporting of Edinburgh shows also doesn't demonstrate either. Voters saying the subject is notable is a flawed argument when nobody has actually explained how/why. Voters simply saying "GNG" or "sigcov" is flawed without demonstration of how these policies actually apply to the subject. The fact of the matter is the article in its current form doesn't demonstrate any general notability or significant coverage, searching for sources simply increased the likelihood in my mind that the subject fails to pass based on either of those policies. And this is supposed to be a discussion, not a poll. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 01:12, 14 January 2022 (UTC) reply

There are a few sources to consider below. Richard Nevell ( talk) 21:18, 14 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Chortle

• Connelly, Graeme. "Sooz Kempner: Defying Gravity : Reviews 2014 : Chortle : The UK Comedy Guide". www.chortle.co.uk.
• Richardson, Jay. "Sooz Kempner: Queen : Reviews 2016 : Chortle : The UK Comedy Guide". www.chortle.co.uk.

British Comedy Guide

• Hawkins, Si (6 August 2021). "Sooz Kempner gets a dressage dressing-down from the IOC - Balls Etc". British Comedy Guide.

Fest Magazine

• Hawkins, Si (14 August 2017). "Sooz on Film". Fest Magazine.
• Burgess, Marissa (10 August 2018). "Review: Sooz Kempner: Super Sonic 90s Kid". Fest Magazine.

Funny Women

• Stone, Kate (24 August 2015). "Sooz Kempner: Character Activist". Funny Women.
• Stone, Kate (14 July 2016). "Sooz Kempner: Queen". Funny Women.
• Stone, Kate (17 August 2016). "Sooz Kempner: A Bit of a Character". Funny Women.
• Stone, Kate (19 May 2017). "Brighton Fringe: Sooz Kempner - Sooz on Film WIP". Funny Women.

The Guardian

• Hawkins, Si (28 September 2021). "'He drains my bad habits!' Comedians on why they need an alter ego". the Guardian.

The Wee Review

• Thornton, Adam. "Sooz On Film - Review". The Wee Review | Scotland's arts and culture magazine.

• Keep - Dilbaggg ( talk) 22:48, 14 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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