The result was keep. I am closing this a bit early. Consensus is clear. Ad Orientem ( talk) 02:06, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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Existence of articles associating religions and religious communities to superstitions is being contested @ Talk:Superstitions in Muslim societies#RfC Superstitions in Muslim societies related questions. In expectation of consistency that same rule applies to all similar theme articles I am putting this article to have Wikipedia community consensus. Bookku ( talk) 03:17, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
... As anyone steeped in anthropology, mythography, and related fields can tell you, superstitions are often far older than the dominant religious context they are found in, and new ones also arise through the same sorts of processes that generate other popular-culture phenomena like urban legends (sometimes superstition and urban legend cannot even be cleanly separated, especially when the legend is a couple of centuries old).....then it would probably make more sense to do this geographically (e.g. Middle Eastern, European, South Asian, etc.) rather than by religion. Or to do it country-by-country, or culture-by-culture. Since there's no clear connection between superstition and particular religions, the current article seem to be a fake topic with a PoV to advance (or is easily taken for one, whatever the intent was).
In the same discussion at RfC Superstitions in Muslim societies related questions there is one more point that opposes use word Superstition and recommends wording Folk belief instead.
...I am still reticent about the word superstition, to me it seems very similar to a folk belief/practice/religion, though cast in a more negative light. So a list of superstitions isn't criticism per se, but it slants the reader toward a negative view. If it is intended specifically as criticism, perhaps it belongs in the Criticism of Islam article?.."
I don't know if above needs separate move discussion at talk page of Superstition for change of name to Folk belief. I have expressed my opinions @ RfC Superstitions in Muslim societies related questions already so I need not repeat the same in more details rather let other Wikipedia users deliberate the same.
Over to Wikipedian community Thanks Bookku ( talk) 03:54, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Bookku ( talk) 06:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
VR talk 14:00, 7 September 2020 (UTC)If someone nominates one of your favorite articles for deletion...do explain why the subject meets inclusion criteria, providing reliable sources to support your assertion. Do not nominate another similar article for deletion, giving the same rationale.
...Since there's no clear connection between superstition and particular religions, the current article seem to be a fake topic with a PoV to advance (or is easily taken for one, whatever the intent was)......I felt it reasonable to seek wider inputs. This AfD has nothing to do with issue of references at other article but Above AfD statement is very clear "
...Existence of articles associating religions and religious communities to superstitions is being contested....which would be equally applicable to this article. As such I was not aware of the rules that one can not put similar article on deletion notice and still do not understand logic behind. Logic in my mind was if larger audience input is also against associating religions and religious communities to superstitions then I would self nominate Superstitions in Muslim societies for AfD. And also I did not get if you were and are sure there are not enough refs for Superstitions in Muslim societies then why you did not put it for AfD it self. Besides you people were reluctant to go point by point at RfC at central talk page of Talk:Superstition. And sources related problem you raised later you earlier started with definition of superstition and all for which I asked you to start RfC at central talk of Superstition, you did not do it I did put all your points neutrally in RfC, which you did not discuss point by point. If discussion does not happen centrally one ends up making mistakes like this, Wikipedians need to co-operate for central discussion IMHO.Thanks Bookku ( talk) 15:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
...Since there's no clear connection between superstition and particular religions, the current article seem to be a fake topic with a PoV to advance (or is easily taken for one, whatever the intent was)......Which made my mind to seek inputs from wider audience through AfD. Wikipedia has too many rules many of which I am not aware of. But honestly I felt more attention to the topic at hand is better. Thanks and regards Bookku ( talk) 15:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
The result was keep. I am closing this a bit early. Consensus is clear. Ad Orientem ( talk) 02:06, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
Existence of articles associating religions and religious communities to superstitions is being contested @ Talk:Superstitions in Muslim societies#RfC Superstitions in Muslim societies related questions. In expectation of consistency that same rule applies to all similar theme articles I am putting this article to have Wikipedia community consensus. Bookku ( talk) 03:17, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
... As anyone steeped in anthropology, mythography, and related fields can tell you, superstitions are often far older than the dominant religious context they are found in, and new ones also arise through the same sorts of processes that generate other popular-culture phenomena like urban legends (sometimes superstition and urban legend cannot even be cleanly separated, especially when the legend is a couple of centuries old).....then it would probably make more sense to do this geographically (e.g. Middle Eastern, European, South Asian, etc.) rather than by religion. Or to do it country-by-country, or culture-by-culture. Since there's no clear connection between superstition and particular religions, the current article seem to be a fake topic with a PoV to advance (or is easily taken for one, whatever the intent was).
In the same discussion at RfC Superstitions in Muslim societies related questions there is one more point that opposes use word Superstition and recommends wording Folk belief instead.
...I am still reticent about the word superstition, to me it seems very similar to a folk belief/practice/religion, though cast in a more negative light. So a list of superstitions isn't criticism per se, but it slants the reader toward a negative view. If it is intended specifically as criticism, perhaps it belongs in the Criticism of Islam article?.."
I don't know if above needs separate move discussion at talk page of Superstition for change of name to Folk belief. I have expressed my opinions @ RfC Superstitions in Muslim societies related questions already so I need not repeat the same in more details rather let other Wikipedia users deliberate the same.
Over to Wikipedian community Thanks Bookku ( talk) 03:54, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Bookku ( talk) 06:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
VR talk 14:00, 7 September 2020 (UTC)If someone nominates one of your favorite articles for deletion...do explain why the subject meets inclusion criteria, providing reliable sources to support your assertion. Do not nominate another similar article for deletion, giving the same rationale.
...Since there's no clear connection between superstition and particular religions, the current article seem to be a fake topic with a PoV to advance (or is easily taken for one, whatever the intent was)......I felt it reasonable to seek wider inputs. This AfD has nothing to do with issue of references at other article but Above AfD statement is very clear "
...Existence of articles associating religions and religious communities to superstitions is being contested....which would be equally applicable to this article. As such I was not aware of the rules that one can not put similar article on deletion notice and still do not understand logic behind. Logic in my mind was if larger audience input is also against associating religions and religious communities to superstitions then I would self nominate Superstitions in Muslim societies for AfD. And also I did not get if you were and are sure there are not enough refs for Superstitions in Muslim societies then why you did not put it for AfD it self. Besides you people were reluctant to go point by point at RfC at central talk page of Talk:Superstition. And sources related problem you raised later you earlier started with definition of superstition and all for which I asked you to start RfC at central talk of Superstition, you did not do it I did put all your points neutrally in RfC, which you did not discuss point by point. If discussion does not happen centrally one ends up making mistakes like this, Wikipedians need to co-operate for central discussion IMHO.Thanks Bookku ( talk) 15:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
...Since there's no clear connection between superstition and particular religions, the current article seem to be a fake topic with a PoV to advance (or is easily taken for one, whatever the intent was)......Which made my mind to seek inputs from wider audience through AfD. Wikipedia has too many rules many of which I am not aware of. But honestly I felt more attention to the topic at hand is better. Thanks and regards Bookku ( talk) 15:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)