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Weak keep and clean upWP:LISTN indicates that "a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources." I will note that one two of the sources in the article as nominated appears to meet the criteria of treating the list topic as a group or set, namely "11 Rock Stars Proud to Be Sober." July 6, 2017. Sober Recovery. and "29 Musicians Who Won't be Drinking on St. Patrick's Day." WCBSFM 101.1 New York. March 15, 2013. (although I'm unsure about the reliability of the first source). I do think the article needs an overhaul; and it needs to define what it means by
Sobriety for purposes of that list. However, I do think the topic meets our definition of notability for list purposes. ~ ONUnicorn(
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Contribs)problem solving19:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete: News sources simply celebrating an artist's (or even a set of artists') sobriety are not a good basis for an encyclopedic list. An article about substance abuse and sobriety in music, sure. But a list of musicians who are sober is and will never be an encyclopedic list.
Why? I Ask (
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20:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete because it is a poorly-defined topic for a group or set per
WP:LISTN. The title is wrong too, because it's actually a list of musicians with substance abuse problems who then GOT sober, with their newly clean lifestyles getting well-deserved coverage. But that is a matter for each of their biographies. A list called simply "Sober musicians" with no further explanation would have to also list all other musicians who have always been sober because they never abused illicit substances in the first place. Now that's really unencyclopedic. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (
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CONTRIBS) 15:02, 10 December 2022 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Weak keep and clean upWP:LISTN indicates that "a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources." I will note that one two of the sources in the article as nominated appears to meet the criteria of treating the list topic as a group or set, namely "11 Rock Stars Proud to Be Sober." July 6, 2017. Sober Recovery. and "29 Musicians Who Won't be Drinking on St. Patrick's Day." WCBSFM 101.1 New York. March 15, 2013. (although I'm unsure about the reliability of the first source). I do think the article needs an overhaul; and it needs to define what it means by
Sobriety for purposes of that list. However, I do think the topic meets our definition of notability for list purposes. ~ ONUnicorn(
Talk|
Contribs)problem solving19:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete: News sources simply celebrating an artist's (or even a set of artists') sobriety are not a good basis for an encyclopedic list. An article about substance abuse and sobriety in music, sure. But a list of musicians who are sober is and will never be an encyclopedic list.
Why? I Ask (
talk)
20:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete because it is a poorly-defined topic for a group or set per
WP:LISTN. The title is wrong too, because it's actually a list of musicians with substance abuse problems who then GOT sober, with their newly clean lifestyles getting well-deserved coverage. But that is a matter for each of their biographies. A list called simply "Sober musicians" with no further explanation would have to also list all other musicians who have always been sober because they never abused illicit substances in the first place. Now that's really unencyclopedic. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS) 15:02, 10 December 2022 (UTC)reply
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