- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to List of Squid Game characters. Allowing for the possibility for these articles to exist at a later time depending on the development of the series. Liz Read! Talk! 05:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Liz Read! Talk! 05:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Seong Gi-hun
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We already have List of Squid Game characters, which had its own AFD which closed as no consensus, with the primary argument that for a show with only one season, such a list is generally overkill. But assuming that the list is going to stay, now creating articles on individual characters from a single season is overkill, particularly as most of the content outside of the "character biography" is the same on the list page, and itself the same on the Squid Game page. We're effectively triplicating the plot summary which is not appropriate. Add that the notability of these characters is very very weak (one or two sources providing that, ignoring the recaps that are primary sources). If we're going to have the list, these individual article should not exist. Masem ( t) 06:31, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Masem ( t) 06:31, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Masem ( t) 06:31, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Korea-related deletion discussions. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect all per nom. What little nontrivial information there is can be added to the list of characters. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Most of the content in Cho Sang-woo is copied from Fandom. Most of the content in Kang Sae-byeok is copied from List of Squid Game characters and HoYeon Jung. Some content in Seong Gi-hun is copied from List of Squid Game characters and a bit from Fandom, which I removed.— Diannaa ( talk) 14:30, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect all to List of Squid Game characters. Notability of the list article aside, there's no need for WP:SPINOUT articles at this time. Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 15:44, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect all. The list isn't even notable. — hueman1 ( talk • contributions) 15:54, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment It would be a good idea that there exist different articles made for the individual characters from Squid Game, as an article containing information about the different characters could generally be filled with helpful information about the character in the series, which maybe wasn't on the List of Squid Game characters. In relation to the List of Squid Game characters, much of the information given on the article made for Seong Gi-hun (first created on the 9th of October, 2021), was created 2 months before the information on the character written on the List of Squid Game characters (first created on the 9th of December, 2021). In other words, much of the information from the list were directly taken from the article created for Seong Gi-hun, and were written before the creation of the character's own article. Therefore, it would be puzzling, unnecessary and unfair to delete the article made for the character from the show ( Seong Gi-hun), as it was made long before the information about the character of Seong Gi-hun was written, and long before the article named List of Squid Game characters was created. This is of course only when talking about the article Seong Gi-hun, but with the two other articles of the two characters, Kang Sae-byeok and Cho Sang-woo, it is a bit understandable, as some of the information taken from the article List of Squid Game characters is also on the articles on both of the characters, though most likely not stolen from it. However, I do not believe that these two articles ( Kang Sae-byeok and Cho Sang-woo) should get deleted, as the information on the two characters' own articles is different from the list, and I don't think that the different characters from the show don't deserve their own personal articles just because there exists an article of a list over the different characters with information about them. Not only this, but concidering that the creator of Squid Game, Hwang Dong-hyuk, announced and confirmed that there will be a 2nd season of the series, it doesn't hurt that there exist articles on the characters from the series before the premiere of the 2nd season. I published the article for Seong Gi-hun 2 months before the list over the characters were made, which only consisted of information taken from different websites, where I also put my sources with details. That is the story of that article before more edits were done by other editors. You can view the history tab of both the article Seong Gi-hun and the article List of Squid Game characters, and you can view the dates of the different edits. — UDoh2Nation ( talk) 18:11, 18 January 2022 (CET)
- Netflix has made clear they are only on negotiations for a second series, it is not confirmed. Additionally two of these characters cannot appear unless they do flashbacks or prequels. -- Masem ( t) 17:14, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- It is true, in terms of announcing and confirming the 2nd season, that Netflix hasn't confirmed it, but the creator of the show,
Hwang Dong-hyuk, has stated in an public interview with
Associated Press that there will be a second season of
Squid Game, but that the release date and the way it will be made is uncertain. That is where I got the information from, but it of course doesn't confirm it from Netflix's own side. Does that mean that if two of the characters discussed (Kang Sae-byeok and Cho Sang-woo) do not appear in either a flashback or a prequel, they can't have their own article? If that is the case, then that means that the article for
Seong Gi-hun can still be up, in relation to if the character will appear again? —
UDoh2Nation (
talk) 19:36, 18 January 2022 (CET)
- Netflix responded immediately after that AP report that no second season was confirmed. --
Masem (
t) 18:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- I see. Apologies for not reading further into the case. What does this exactly mean to the article,
Seong Gi-hun? You stated that the content outside of the "character biography" is the same on the list page, when a big chunk of the content under Seong Gi-hun's section in the
List of Squid Game characters was directly taken from the individual article. Because of the reason you stated, it is very inappropriate to take down the article, which contains a major part of the content that was put into another article afterwards. I know you also referred to the other two characters from the series, but considering that the content, which both articles share, was written on the individual article of Seong Gi-hun first, it really isn't fair if you consider to delete the article because of this. The poor sources that were given to the page I fully understand, and that is something that can be edited and fixed. —
UDoh2Nation (
talk) 09:11, 21 January 2022 (CET)
- Worth noting that Season 2 has now been confirmed by Netflix, and it's already known Lee Jung-jae will return as Gi-hun. So I think Gi-hun's article should stay (since he is the show's protagonist and most important character), whereas Sae-byeok and Sang-woo can be redirected to the list article. --
InPursuitOfAMorePerfectUnion (
talk) 18:52, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- While it is truth that Netflix has affirmed this, there's still a lack of anything now that can't already be covered on the character list page. If there's more about his character after S2 airs (which is likely at least a year out), then we can recreate it from a redirect. -- Masem ( t) 19:59, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- Worth noting that Season 2 has now been confirmed by Netflix, and it's already known Lee Jung-jae will return as Gi-hun. So I think Gi-hun's article should stay (since he is the show's protagonist and most important character), whereas Sae-byeok and Sang-woo can be redirected to the list article. --
InPursuitOfAMorePerfectUnion (
talk) 18:52, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- I see. Apologies for not reading further into the case. What does this exactly mean to the article,
Seong Gi-hun? You stated that the content outside of the "character biography" is the same on the list page, when a big chunk of the content under Seong Gi-hun's section in the
List of Squid Game characters was directly taken from the individual article. Because of the reason you stated, it is very inappropriate to take down the article, which contains a major part of the content that was put into another article afterwards. I know you also referred to the other two characters from the series, but considering that the content, which both articles share, was written on the individual article of Seong Gi-hun first, it really isn't fair if you consider to delete the article because of this. The poor sources that were given to the page I fully understand, and that is something that can be edited and fixed. —
UDoh2Nation (
talk) 09:11, 21 January 2022 (CET)
- Netflix responded immediately after that AP report that no second season was confirmed. --
Masem (
t) 18:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect all: per nom. – Ctrlwiki ( talk) 03:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- Rediect, the current reception does not seem sufficient to justify keeping this per WP:GNG. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:33, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect, As the of two of the articles, the information on them can easily be moved to the list article. -- InPursuitOfAMorePerfectUnion ( talk) 15:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to List of Squid Game characters. Allowing for the possibility for these articles to exist at a later time depending on the development of the series. Liz Read! Talk! 05:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Liz Read! Talk! 05:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Seong Gi-hun
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- Seong Gi-hun ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- Kang Sae-byeok ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Cho Sang-woo (character) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
We already have List of Squid Game characters, which had its own AFD which closed as no consensus, with the primary argument that for a show with only one season, such a list is generally overkill. But assuming that the list is going to stay, now creating articles on individual characters from a single season is overkill, particularly as most of the content outside of the "character biography" is the same on the list page, and itself the same on the Squid Game page. We're effectively triplicating the plot summary which is not appropriate. Add that the notability of these characters is very very weak (one or two sources providing that, ignoring the recaps that are primary sources). If we're going to have the list, these individual article should not exist. Masem ( t) 06:31, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Masem ( t) 06:31, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Masem ( t) 06:31, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Korea-related deletion discussions. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect all per nom. What little nontrivial information there is can be added to the list of characters. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Most of the content in Cho Sang-woo is copied from Fandom. Most of the content in Kang Sae-byeok is copied from List of Squid Game characters and HoYeon Jung. Some content in Seong Gi-hun is copied from List of Squid Game characters and a bit from Fandom, which I removed.— Diannaa ( talk) 14:30, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect all to List of Squid Game characters. Notability of the list article aside, there's no need for WP:SPINOUT articles at this time. Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 15:44, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect all. The list isn't even notable. — hueman1 ( talk • contributions) 15:54, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment It would be a good idea that there exist different articles made for the individual characters from Squid Game, as an article containing information about the different characters could generally be filled with helpful information about the character in the series, which maybe wasn't on the List of Squid Game characters. In relation to the List of Squid Game characters, much of the information given on the article made for Seong Gi-hun (first created on the 9th of October, 2021), was created 2 months before the information on the character written on the List of Squid Game characters (first created on the 9th of December, 2021). In other words, much of the information from the list were directly taken from the article created for Seong Gi-hun, and were written before the creation of the character's own article. Therefore, it would be puzzling, unnecessary and unfair to delete the article made for the character from the show ( Seong Gi-hun), as it was made long before the information about the character of Seong Gi-hun was written, and long before the article named List of Squid Game characters was created. This is of course only when talking about the article Seong Gi-hun, but with the two other articles of the two characters, Kang Sae-byeok and Cho Sang-woo, it is a bit understandable, as some of the information taken from the article List of Squid Game characters is also on the articles on both of the characters, though most likely not stolen from it. However, I do not believe that these two articles ( Kang Sae-byeok and Cho Sang-woo) should get deleted, as the information on the two characters' own articles is different from the list, and I don't think that the different characters from the show don't deserve their own personal articles just because there exists an article of a list over the different characters with information about them. Not only this, but concidering that the creator of Squid Game, Hwang Dong-hyuk, announced and confirmed that there will be a 2nd season of the series, it doesn't hurt that there exist articles on the characters from the series before the premiere of the 2nd season. I published the article for Seong Gi-hun 2 months before the list over the characters were made, which only consisted of information taken from different websites, where I also put my sources with details. That is the story of that article before more edits were done by other editors. You can view the history tab of both the article Seong Gi-hun and the article List of Squid Game characters, and you can view the dates of the different edits. — UDoh2Nation ( talk) 18:11, 18 January 2022 (CET)
- Netflix has made clear they are only on negotiations for a second series, it is not confirmed. Additionally two of these characters cannot appear unless they do flashbacks or prequels. -- Masem ( t) 17:14, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- It is true, in terms of announcing and confirming the 2nd season, that Netflix hasn't confirmed it, but the creator of the show,
Hwang Dong-hyuk, has stated in an public interview with
Associated Press that there will be a second season of
Squid Game, but that the release date and the way it will be made is uncertain. That is where I got the information from, but it of course doesn't confirm it from Netflix's own side. Does that mean that if two of the characters discussed (Kang Sae-byeok and Cho Sang-woo) do not appear in either a flashback or a prequel, they can't have their own article? If that is the case, then that means that the article for
Seong Gi-hun can still be up, in relation to if the character will appear again? —
UDoh2Nation (
talk) 19:36, 18 January 2022 (CET)
- Netflix responded immediately after that AP report that no second season was confirmed. --
Masem (
t) 18:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- I see. Apologies for not reading further into the case. What does this exactly mean to the article,
Seong Gi-hun? You stated that the content outside of the "character biography" is the same on the list page, when a big chunk of the content under Seong Gi-hun's section in the
List of Squid Game characters was directly taken from the individual article. Because of the reason you stated, it is very inappropriate to take down the article, which contains a major part of the content that was put into another article afterwards. I know you also referred to the other two characters from the series, but considering that the content, which both articles share, was written on the individual article of Seong Gi-hun first, it really isn't fair if you consider to delete the article because of this. The poor sources that were given to the page I fully understand, and that is something that can be edited and fixed. —
UDoh2Nation (
talk) 09:11, 21 January 2022 (CET)
- Worth noting that Season 2 has now been confirmed by Netflix, and it's already known Lee Jung-jae will return as Gi-hun. So I think Gi-hun's article should stay (since he is the show's protagonist and most important character), whereas Sae-byeok and Sang-woo can be redirected to the list article. --
InPursuitOfAMorePerfectUnion (
talk) 18:52, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- While it is truth that Netflix has affirmed this, there's still a lack of anything now that can't already be covered on the character list page. If there's more about his character after S2 airs (which is likely at least a year out), then we can recreate it from a redirect. -- Masem ( t) 19:59, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- Worth noting that Season 2 has now been confirmed by Netflix, and it's already known Lee Jung-jae will return as Gi-hun. So I think Gi-hun's article should stay (since he is the show's protagonist and most important character), whereas Sae-byeok and Sang-woo can be redirected to the list article. --
InPursuitOfAMorePerfectUnion (
talk) 18:52, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- I see. Apologies for not reading further into the case. What does this exactly mean to the article,
Seong Gi-hun? You stated that the content outside of the "character biography" is the same on the list page, when a big chunk of the content under Seong Gi-hun's section in the
List of Squid Game characters was directly taken from the individual article. Because of the reason you stated, it is very inappropriate to take down the article, which contains a major part of the content that was put into another article afterwards. I know you also referred to the other two characters from the series, but considering that the content, which both articles share, was written on the individual article of Seong Gi-hun first, it really isn't fair if you consider to delete the article because of this. The poor sources that were given to the page I fully understand, and that is something that can be edited and fixed. —
UDoh2Nation (
talk) 09:11, 21 January 2022 (CET)
- Netflix responded immediately after that AP report that no second season was confirmed. --
Masem (
t) 18:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect all: per nom. – Ctrlwiki ( talk) 03:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- Rediect, the current reception does not seem sufficient to justify keeping this per WP:GNG. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:33, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect, As the of two of the articles, the information on them can easily be moved to the list article. -- InPursuitOfAMorePerfectUnion ( talk) 15:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.