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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 01:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Science Bulletin
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Not seeing how this journal meets WP:GNG or more specialized WP:Notability (academic journals). Does not seem indexed in anything significant: [1] (Engineering Source (EBSCO), MEDLINE (United States National Library of Medicine), zbMATH). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academic journals and China. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The article had the old ISSN and e-ISSN for Chinese Science Bulletin, which I have now replaced with the correct ones for Science Bulletin.
https://miar.ub.edu/issn/2095-9273 shows that the journal is indexed in Science Citation Index Expanded (Clarivate) and Scopus (ELSEVIER) as well as Academic Search Ultimate (EBSCO), Natural Science Collection (ProQuest).
Eastmain (
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02:21, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Eastmain It may be that Science Bulletin is notable, but which information in the article are about it and not about the Chinese Science Bulletin? What should be removed from the article - it has only one footnote to a press release currently. Zh wiki seems to have more, but right now our entry is asking for a
WP:TNT, given the confusion. PS. Our article claims the publication was estabilished in 1956, zh wiki gives they year 1950, and there are many inconsistencies between en and zh. Language - for us, English, for zh, Chinese English (?). What is the publication relation to "Chinese Science Bulletin"? Zh wiki claims it is a former name, but miar has two different pages for it? It's a mess.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
11:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ Piotrus If it helps, there is an article in Science Bulletin itself about the change of name: [2]. So, Science Bulletin was known as Chinese Science Bulletin until 2014. Regarding miar having two pages... if you're referring to the fact miar.ub.edu has a separate page for the title "Chinese Science Bulletin" ( https://miar.ub.edu/issn/1001-6538), that would be because it has a different ISSN to the "Science Bulletin" title. So far as I'm aware, when serials are renamed they also get a new ISSN, so this seems pretty normal as far as I can tell.
- The reason for the language confusion may be because there is also a Chinese-language version of the journal (科学通报 or "Kexue tongbao") with its own ISSN (which is documented on zh.wiki but not en.wiki). Chinese Science Bulletin aka Science Bulletin is the English-language version so far as I can tell.
Monster Iestyn (
talk)
13:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Monster Iestyn Thank you for looking into this. I was concerned that there may be another publication with the same name, not notable, that got merged into this article. If this is not the case, then I hope someone will try to untangle this and reference this - I agree the topic may be notable, but the current execution is terrible. Sure,
WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP, but
WP:TNT is a thing too.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
02:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ Piotrus No problem, glad to help! Monster Iestyn ( talk) 11:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Monster Iestyn Thank you for looking into this. I was concerned that there may be another publication with the same name, not notable, that got merged into this article. If this is not the case, then I hope someone will try to untangle this and reference this - I agree the topic may be notable, but the current execution is terrible. Sure,
WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP, but
WP:TNT is a thing too.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
02:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Eastmain It may be that Science Bulletin is notable, but which information in the article are about it and not about the Chinese Science Bulletin? What should be removed from the article - it has only one footnote to a press release currently. Zh wiki seems to have more, but right now our entry is asking for a
WP:TNT, given the confusion. PS. Our article claims the publication was estabilished in 1956, zh wiki gives they year 1950, and there are many inconsistencies between en and zh. Language - for us, English, for zh, Chinese English (?). What is the publication relation to "Chinese Science Bulletin"? Zh wiki claims it is a former name, but miar has two different pages for it? It's a mess.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
11:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:25, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Huang, Yanhong 黄延红; Yan, Bin 彭斌; Peng, Bing 彭斌; Zhu, Zuoyan 朱作言 (2019).
"我国科技期刊改革实践与思考 ——以《中国科学》系列和《科学通报》期刊为例" [Reform practice and discussion of scientific journals in China: taking the Journals of Science China Series and Science Bulletin as examples]. 编辑学报 [Acta Editologica] (in Chinese). 31 (6): 638–640.
doi:
10.16811/j.cnki.1001-4314.2019.06.013. Archived from
the original on 2024-06-25. Retrieved 2024-06-25.
The abstract notes: "It is an important topic to speed up the construction of world-leading scientific journals. This paper explores a variety of publishing practices based on the journals of Science China Series and Science Bulletin, such as optimizing the content orientations, strengthening the sponsor’s policy support of Chinese Academy of Sciences, promoting the initiative of the scientisfs, and improving the academic quality. We also propose some successful suggestions on the construction of journal clustering, international cooperation and exchanges, the professional publishing team, and the digital development of media integration."
- Fu, Li 付利 (2013-11-15).
"专题策划提升科技期刊的品牌影响力— — 以《 科学通报》（ 化学学科）为例" [Special topic planning to enhance the brand influence of scientific journals - taking "Science Bulletin" (chemistry discipline) as an example]. 出版科学 [Journal of Scientific Publication] (in Chinese). 21 (6): 32–35.
doi:
10.13363/j.publishingjournal.2013.06.015. Archived from
the original on 2024-06-25. Retrieved 2024-06-25.
The abstract notes: "By analyzing a number of special issues on chemistry published in Chinese Science Bulletin, this paper discussed the strategies and approaches of organizing special issues for scientific journals, including the following four aspects: 1) How to choose the topics? 2) What is the most effective editing procedure? 3) How to advertise and promote the special issues? 4) How to make more associated experts involved? Examples indicate that special issues play an important role in improving the academic quality and enhancing the influence of scientific journals."
- Huang, Yanhong 黄延红; Yan, Bin 彭斌; Peng, Bing 彭斌; Zhu, Zuoyan 朱作言 (2019).
"我国科技期刊改革实践与思考 ——以《中国科学》系列和《科学通报》期刊为例" [Reform practice and discussion of scientific journals in China: taking the Journals of Science China Series and Science Bulletin as examples]. 编辑学报 [Acta Editologica] (in Chinese). 31 (6): 638–640.
doi:
10.16811/j.cnki.1001-4314.2019.06.013. Archived from
the original on 2024-06-25. Retrieved 2024-06-25.
- Keep one of the older and most important/well read Chinese science journals in the West. Indexed in Scopus, easy pass of WP:NJOURNALS. We also cite it nearly 400 times on Wikipedia. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 22:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep now that the confusion has been clarified and the articles disentangled. Notability is clear. Star Mississippi 16:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 01:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Science Bulletin
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Not seeing how this journal meets WP:GNG or more specialized WP:Notability (academic journals). Does not seem indexed in anything significant: [1] (Engineering Source (EBSCO), MEDLINE (United States National Library of Medicine), zbMATH). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academic journals and China. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The article had the old ISSN and e-ISSN for Chinese Science Bulletin, which I have now replaced with the correct ones for Science Bulletin.
https://miar.ub.edu/issn/2095-9273 shows that the journal is indexed in Science Citation Index Expanded (Clarivate) and Scopus (ELSEVIER) as well as Academic Search Ultimate (EBSCO), Natural Science Collection (ProQuest).
Eastmain (
talk •
contribs)
02:21, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Eastmain It may be that Science Bulletin is notable, but which information in the article are about it and not about the Chinese Science Bulletin? What should be removed from the article - it has only one footnote to a press release currently. Zh wiki seems to have more, but right now our entry is asking for a
WP:TNT, given the confusion. PS. Our article claims the publication was estabilished in 1956, zh wiki gives they year 1950, and there are many inconsistencies between en and zh. Language - for us, English, for zh, Chinese English (?). What is the publication relation to "Chinese Science Bulletin"? Zh wiki claims it is a former name, but miar has two different pages for it? It's a mess.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
11:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ Piotrus If it helps, there is an article in Science Bulletin itself about the change of name: [2]. So, Science Bulletin was known as Chinese Science Bulletin until 2014. Regarding miar having two pages... if you're referring to the fact miar.ub.edu has a separate page for the title "Chinese Science Bulletin" ( https://miar.ub.edu/issn/1001-6538), that would be because it has a different ISSN to the "Science Bulletin" title. So far as I'm aware, when serials are renamed they also get a new ISSN, so this seems pretty normal as far as I can tell.
- The reason for the language confusion may be because there is also a Chinese-language version of the journal (科学通报 or "Kexue tongbao") with its own ISSN (which is documented on zh.wiki but not en.wiki). Chinese Science Bulletin aka Science Bulletin is the English-language version so far as I can tell.
Monster Iestyn (
talk)
13:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Monster Iestyn Thank you for looking into this. I was concerned that there may be another publication with the same name, not notable, that got merged into this article. If this is not the case, then I hope someone will try to untangle this and reference this - I agree the topic may be notable, but the current execution is terrible. Sure,
WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP, but
WP:TNT is a thing too.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
02:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ Piotrus No problem, glad to help! Monster Iestyn ( talk) 11:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Monster Iestyn Thank you for looking into this. I was concerned that there may be another publication with the same name, not notable, that got merged into this article. If this is not the case, then I hope someone will try to untangle this and reference this - I agree the topic may be notable, but the current execution is terrible. Sure,
WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP, but
WP:TNT is a thing too.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
02:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Eastmain It may be that Science Bulletin is notable, but which information in the article are about it and not about the Chinese Science Bulletin? What should be removed from the article - it has only one footnote to a press release currently. Zh wiki seems to have more, but right now our entry is asking for a
WP:TNT, given the confusion. PS. Our article claims the publication was estabilished in 1956, zh wiki gives they year 1950, and there are many inconsistencies between en and zh. Language - for us, English, for zh, Chinese English (?). What is the publication relation to "Chinese Science Bulletin"? Zh wiki claims it is a former name, but miar has two different pages for it? It's a mess.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
11:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:25, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Huang, Yanhong 黄延红; Yan, Bin 彭斌; Peng, Bing 彭斌; Zhu, Zuoyan 朱作言 (2019).
"我国科技期刊改革实践与思考 ——以《中国科学》系列和《科学通报》期刊为例" [Reform practice and discussion of scientific journals in China: taking the Journals of Science China Series and Science Bulletin as examples]. 编辑学报 [Acta Editologica] (in Chinese). 31 (6): 638–640.
doi:
10.16811/j.cnki.1001-4314.2019.06.013. Archived from
the original on 2024-06-25. Retrieved 2024-06-25.
The abstract notes: "It is an important topic to speed up the construction of world-leading scientific journals. This paper explores a variety of publishing practices based on the journals of Science China Series and Science Bulletin, such as optimizing the content orientations, strengthening the sponsor’s policy support of Chinese Academy of Sciences, promoting the initiative of the scientisfs, and improving the academic quality. We also propose some successful suggestions on the construction of journal clustering, international cooperation and exchanges, the professional publishing team, and the digital development of media integration."
- Fu, Li 付利 (2013-11-15).
"专题策划提升科技期刊的品牌影响力— — 以《 科学通报》（ 化学学科）为例" [Special topic planning to enhance the brand influence of scientific journals - taking "Science Bulletin" (chemistry discipline) as an example]. 出版科学 [Journal of Scientific Publication] (in Chinese). 21 (6): 32–35.
doi:
10.13363/j.publishingjournal.2013.06.015. Archived from
the original on 2024-06-25. Retrieved 2024-06-25.
The abstract notes: "By analyzing a number of special issues on chemistry published in Chinese Science Bulletin, this paper discussed the strategies and approaches of organizing special issues for scientific journals, including the following four aspects: 1) How to choose the topics? 2) What is the most effective editing procedure? 3) How to advertise and promote the special issues? 4) How to make more associated experts involved? Examples indicate that special issues play an important role in improving the academic quality and enhancing the influence of scientific journals."
- Huang, Yanhong 黄延红; Yan, Bin 彭斌; Peng, Bing 彭斌; Zhu, Zuoyan 朱作言 (2019).
"我国科技期刊改革实践与思考 ——以《中国科学》系列和《科学通报》期刊为例" [Reform practice and discussion of scientific journals in China: taking the Journals of Science China Series and Science Bulletin as examples]. 编辑学报 [Acta Editologica] (in Chinese). 31 (6): 638–640.
doi:
10.16811/j.cnki.1001-4314.2019.06.013. Archived from
the original on 2024-06-25. Retrieved 2024-06-25.
- Keep one of the older and most important/well read Chinese science journals in the West. Indexed in Scopus, easy pass of WP:NJOURNALS. We also cite it nearly 400 times on Wikipedia. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 22:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep now that the confusion has been clarified and the articles disentangled. Notability is clear. Star Mississippi 16:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.