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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:47, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Ruth Topalian
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Non-notable former gymnast. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NGYMNAST. Let'srun ( talk) 16:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
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Let'srun (
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16:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- I've found this
[1]. Not extenstive. It seems she was the first Armenian women from outside the Soviet Bloc to compete at the Olympics
[2] and a brief mention in Life magazine
[3]. I'll keep looking.
Oaktree b (
talk)
18:05, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Looked in the Library of Congress newspaper archive, nothing found. Tried a NY state newspaper archive, nothing. I don't think she's at GNG. Was never popular enough as an athlete. Oaktree b ( talk) 18:07, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- I've found this
[1]. Not extenstive. It seems she was the first Armenian women from outside the Soviet Bloc to compete at the Olympics
[2] and a brief mention in Life magazine
[3]. I'll keep looking.
Oaktree b (
talk)
18:05, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. A few newspapers published a photo of her with boxers Archie Slaten and Charles Adkins on their way to the Olympics, but I'm having trouble finding much more. pburka ( talk) 16:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. Just a note, Topalian was her married name. I added a couple refs that sketch in a few details. Penny Richards ( talk) 14:06, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as additional work has been done on this article since nomination.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:40, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Only found trivial mentions, using both her married and maiden names. Would prefer a redirect to Gymnastics at the 1952 Summer Olympics or 1952 Summer Olympics. but would be fine with deletion as well. Jacona ( talk) 19:33, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Reverted my close. There's an editor seeking to weigh in, which is sufficient for a 3rd relist if we may achieve consensus and potential further input.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 12:22, 24 August 2023 (UTC)- Delete. Sources are severely deficient for meeting GNG. In the article: 1 (sports-reference.com): stats
. 2 (The Item): single-sentence photo caption on her and two others . 3 (Palm Beach Post): wedding anniversary announcement . 4 (Stuart News): local obituary . Mentioned in AfD: Us Weekly: single-sentence photo caption . Armenian Olympians: From Athens to Athens: single sentence in a self-published book . Life: single-sentence photo caption . It seems all details on her life are sourced to the primary, non-independent anniversary announcement and obituary, which is not acceptable.
- Delete. Sources are severely deficient for meeting GNG. In the article: 1 (sports-reference.com): stats
- JoelleJay ( talk) 23:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Fails GNG per JoelleJay's source analysis. I support a redirect if a suitible target can be found, but the two suggested above do not mention Topalian in their articles. Carson Wentz ( talk) 02:26, 28 August 2023 (UTC).
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:47, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Ruth Topalian
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- Ruth Topalian ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable former gymnast. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NGYMNAST. Let'srun ( talk) 16:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
People,
Sportspeople,
Women, and
New York.
Let'srun (
talk)
16:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- I've found this
[1]. Not extenstive. It seems she was the first Armenian women from outside the Soviet Bloc to compete at the Olympics
[2] and a brief mention in Life magazine
[3]. I'll keep looking.
Oaktree b (
talk)
18:05, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Looked in the Library of Congress newspaper archive, nothing found. Tried a NY state newspaper archive, nothing. I don't think she's at GNG. Was never popular enough as an athlete. Oaktree b ( talk) 18:07, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- I've found this
[1]. Not extenstive. It seems she was the first Armenian women from outside the Soviet Bloc to compete at the Olympics
[2] and a brief mention in Life magazine
[3]. I'll keep looking.
Oaktree b (
talk)
18:05, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. A few newspapers published a photo of her with boxers Archie Slaten and Charles Adkins on their way to the Olympics, but I'm having trouble finding much more. pburka ( talk) 16:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. Just a note, Topalian was her married name. I added a couple refs that sketch in a few details. Penny Richards ( talk) 14:06, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as additional work has been done on this article since nomination.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:40, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Only found trivial mentions, using both her married and maiden names. Would prefer a redirect to Gymnastics at the 1952 Summer Olympics or 1952 Summer Olympics. but would be fine with deletion as well. Jacona ( talk) 19:33, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Reverted my close. There's an editor seeking to weigh in, which is sufficient for a 3rd relist if we may achieve consensus and potential further input.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 12:22, 24 August 2023 (UTC)- Delete. Sources are severely deficient for meeting GNG. In the article: 1 (sports-reference.com): stats . 2 (The Item): single-sentence photo caption on her and two others . 3 (Palm Beach Post): wedding anniversary announcement . 4 (Stuart News): local obituary . Mentioned in AfD: Us Weekly: single-sentence photo caption . Armenian Olympians: From Athens to Athens: single sentence in a self-published book . Life: single-sentence photo caption . It seems all details on her life are sourced to the primary, non-independent anniversary announcement and obituary, which is not acceptable.
- Delete. Sources are severely deficient for meeting GNG. In the article: 1 (sports-reference.com): stats
- JoelleJay ( talk) 23:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Fails GNG per JoelleJay's source analysis. I support a redirect if a suitible target can be found, but the two suggested above do not mention Topalian in their articles. Carson Wentz ( talk) 02:26, 28 August 2023 (UTC).
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.