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The result was delete. While there are reliable sources on the subject, the lack of significant coverage argument plus existing consensus of BLP1E/MEMORIAL and this being unchallenged by the keeps puts this in delete territory. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 07:58, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Peg Broadbent
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WP:BLP1E - sources cited and WP:BEFORE search show notability is due to death Melcous ( talk) 10:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete: while it's entirely fitting to acknowledge his untimely death, Wikipedia is not the best place to do this. ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 11:37, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of COVID-19-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:42, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete or merge with Jefferies Group per WP:MEMORIAL and WP:BLP1E. Lacks notability for individual article. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 07:13, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- KEEP Wall Street executive. Credited with doubling the size of his company. He is covered by multiple news sources in US and UK.
SWP13 (
talk)
15:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- Doubling the size of a company is so common an occurrence that it's easily not noteworthy. And if he's covered by multiple news sources, knowing the kind of coverage and where (links?) is necessary for determining inclusion in the Wikipedia. The current citations in the article are not enough for WP:N. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:MEMORIAL. Coverage external to his unfortunate passing is ordinary business reporting. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - the bio is notable enough that it is covered by FT, Forbes, Bloomberg, WSJ, and Business Insider (all reputed publications in business). What else need to pass WP:GNG? Störm (talk) 17:23, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- Subject also made headlines due to his death from COVID-19. Had he passed from any other ailment he likely still wouldn't have an article. Clear case of BLP1E. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 17:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete or alternate merge with Jefferies Group: per Nom, Dom Kaos, and Stevietheman. While I feel for anyone hit with the virus and struggle to avoid it at all cost, Wikipedia is not a memorial. Also swung to delete per User:SWP13. The rationale that the subject is a "Wall Street executive" that doubled the size of his company, as evidence of notability, could be considered ludicrous. That would be the broadest criteria imaginable, allowing for thousands of otherwise non-notable corporate executives to qualify for articles. All it would take would be a couple of good quarters, possibly a couple of mentions in a trade magazine, and we would be inundated with pseudo biographical stubs. Otr500 ( talk) 23:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- KEEP Broadbent is at least as significant as a lot of other folks who have their own article. And often there's more information available about a person in obits and such - once they have died.
Breffni Whelan (
talk)
05:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, none of those are arguments we use for deciding to keep an article. Please consider WP:GNG and if you can find sufficient reporting outside of the obits, please feel free to provide them, here or in the article. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:58, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: Nothing notable to be found outside of obituaries. Sad, but true, being important to your company and your family does not mean you merit a Wikipedia page.-- Egghead06 ( talk) 07:31, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:SIGCOV: excellent sourcing, as good as there can be - Bloomberg, FN, Reuters. Bearian ( talk) 15:50, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment No such coverage until after his death, however, and the article has next to no content. Cause of death a major factor in his getting such coverage. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 02:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete – Non-notable executive. Only reason for coverage is the current pandemic. Does not pass GNG — JFG talk 07:54, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comments: We have a CFO, a position that carries zero presumption of notability, and sources that are generally considered reliable, so there is a "consideration" that this alone presents notability? The subject was also listed in USA today. The vast majority of the references, report the death of an individual from the infamous coronavirus.
- 1)- Bloomberg states: "Jefferies Financial Group Inc. said...", Friedman said Sunday in an emailed statement. “We are heartbroken..."
- 2)- Forbs stated: "Jefferies announced on Sunday...", and contains "“We are heartbroken..."
- 3)- Reuters reported: "Jefferies Group Inc (JEF.N), an investment bank focused on mid-sized companies, said on Thursday" (report of the hiring of the subject)
- 4)- The WSJ: "The 56-year-old chief financial officer of investment bank Jefferies has died from the coronavirus, the firm said Sunday."
- These are the same type of
"press releases" (
Those promoting causes or events, or issuing public service announcements, even if noncommercial, should use a forum other than Wikipedia to do so.
), adding to the "list" of "obituary notices", that more than likely came from the same source. - The position (CFO) is not notable and dying from the "coronavirus disease" (while tragic) is surely not notable. If there were 100 like press releases, by reputable and reliable sources, all "excellent and providing significant coverage of the death", it would still be 100 instances of the same event. Otr500 ( talk) 08:36, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- These are the same type of
"press releases" (
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Störm (talk) 21:12, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Störm (talk) 21:12, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete BIO1E b uidh e 00:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. While there are reliable sources on the subject, the lack of significant coverage argument plus existing consensus of BLP1E/MEMORIAL and this being unchallenged by the keeps puts this in delete territory. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 07:58, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Peg Broadbent
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WP:BLP1E - sources cited and WP:BEFORE search show notability is due to death Melcous ( talk) 10:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:18, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:18, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:18, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: while it's entirely fitting to acknowledge his untimely death, Wikipedia is not the best place to do this. ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 11:37, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of COVID-19-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:42, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete or merge with Jefferies Group per WP:MEMORIAL and WP:BLP1E. Lacks notability for individual article. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 07:13, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- KEEP Wall Street executive. Credited with doubling the size of his company. He is covered by multiple news sources in US and UK.
SWP13 (
talk)
15:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- Doubling the size of a company is so common an occurrence that it's easily not noteworthy. And if he's covered by multiple news sources, knowing the kind of coverage and where (links?) is necessary for determining inclusion in the Wikipedia. The current citations in the article are not enough for WP:N. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:MEMORIAL. Coverage external to his unfortunate passing is ordinary business reporting. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - the bio is notable enough that it is covered by FT, Forbes, Bloomberg, WSJ, and Business Insider (all reputed publications in business). What else need to pass WP:GNG? Störm (talk) 17:23, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- Subject also made headlines due to his death from COVID-19. Had he passed from any other ailment he likely still wouldn't have an article. Clear case of BLP1E. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 17:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete or alternate merge with Jefferies Group: per Nom, Dom Kaos, and Stevietheman. While I feel for anyone hit with the virus and struggle to avoid it at all cost, Wikipedia is not a memorial. Also swung to delete per User:SWP13. The rationale that the subject is a "Wall Street executive" that doubled the size of his company, as evidence of notability, could be considered ludicrous. That would be the broadest criteria imaginable, allowing for thousands of otherwise non-notable corporate executives to qualify for articles. All it would take would be a couple of good quarters, possibly a couple of mentions in a trade magazine, and we would be inundated with pseudo biographical stubs. Otr500 ( talk) 23:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- KEEP Broadbent is at least as significant as a lot of other folks who have their own article. And often there's more information available about a person in obits and such - once they have died.
Breffni Whelan (
talk)
05:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, none of those are arguments we use for deciding to keep an article. Please consider WP:GNG and if you can find sufficient reporting outside of the obits, please feel free to provide them, here or in the article. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:58, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: Nothing notable to be found outside of obituaries. Sad, but true, being important to your company and your family does not mean you merit a Wikipedia page.-- Egghead06 ( talk) 07:31, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:SIGCOV: excellent sourcing, as good as there can be - Bloomberg, FN, Reuters. Bearian ( talk) 15:50, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment No such coverage until after his death, however, and the article has next to no content. Cause of death a major factor in his getting such coverage. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 02:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete – Non-notable executive. Only reason for coverage is the current pandemic. Does not pass GNG — JFG talk 07:54, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comments: We have a CFO, a position that carries zero presumption of notability, and sources that are generally considered reliable, so there is a "consideration" that this alone presents notability? The subject was also listed in USA today. The vast majority of the references, report the death of an individual from the infamous coronavirus.
- 1)- Bloomberg states: "Jefferies Financial Group Inc. said...", Friedman said Sunday in an emailed statement. “We are heartbroken..."
- 2)- Forbs stated: "Jefferies announced on Sunday...", and contains "“We are heartbroken..."
- 3)- Reuters reported: "Jefferies Group Inc (JEF.N), an investment bank focused on mid-sized companies, said on Thursday" (report of the hiring of the subject)
- 4)- The WSJ: "The 56-year-old chief financial officer of investment bank Jefferies has died from the coronavirus, the firm said Sunday."
- These are the same type of
"press releases" (
Those promoting causes or events, or issuing public service announcements, even if noncommercial, should use a forum other than Wikipedia to do so.
), adding to the "list" of "obituary notices", that more than likely came from the same source. - The position (CFO) is not notable and dying from the "coronavirus disease" (while tragic) is surely not notable. If there were 100 like press releases, by reputable and reliable sources, all "excellent and providing significant coverage of the death", it would still be 100 instances of the same event. Otr500 ( talk) 08:36, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- These are the same type of
"press releases" (
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Störm (talk) 21:12, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Störm (talk) 21:12, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete BIO1E b uidh e 00:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.